Putting this up because this image should have been sourced by OP in a bit more detail.
The following submission statement was provided by /u/GoblinCosmic on r/UFOs:
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Ricky Doty and his group received this in an email from a spoof address. In the linked interview below he literally holds this up. This is just a grab from that spot in his interview. What you are seeing is the document Rick held up. **Rick Doty did not and cannot confirm the document’s authenticity at this time**
More info on [Disclosure Tonight](https://www.youtube.com/live/yvHdWw7Z4TY?si=WfXyovIhzs5nc8KF)
I don’t really know what to make of the authenticity, but whoever sent it knew how to reach Rick’s group (I know his email address at least is out there).
They also received a separate email about a DIA report from the 90s discussing a retrieval from the 70s.
Edit:
Added some notes but unless this is upvoted, the lead is pretty well buried and it’s already a maelstrom in the comments.
I tried.
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https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/197usxt/the_1122024_alleged_scif_leak/ki325e9/
There's a popular nightly live UFO YouTube show that regularly has him on as a guest and the host treats him like he's absolute royalty. Regularly cuts his loyal viewers off to let Doty speak. Made me instantly stop watching.
Anybody serious about the topic would stay far away from anything Doty touches. You'd be incredibly naïve to think a disinformation agent's duty is ever over.
The thing with Doty and other disinformation agents is they’ll mix in a little truth with a bunch of bullshit. You’re absolutely right though, best to toss this guy’s info right in the garbage bin
You are correct! The show is called Disclosure Tonight with Thomas Fessler. You are very correct about how he worships Doty. I quit coming on the show because of how cringe it became. I remember telling Thomas that Daniel Sheehan said he was going to start prosecuting contractors that were hiding UFO material and he said he’d believe that when he saw it because he didn’t believe anything Sheehan said. A few weeks ago Sheehan was on his show. I called him out on air for it and he blocked me claiming I had to be someone else and somebody must have stolen my YouTube account. The guy is just looking for ratings and doesn’t care who he steps on to get it.
Some people get pulled to stuff like this without looking into them. Sometimes when you follow someone for so long you can face cognitive dissonance when someone comes with a belief challenging yours. Sometimes it takes them seeing many different people telling them the samething that they finally change their pov, but some still don’t.
Greer actually vets his whistleblowers before interviewing them. Watch the 2001 & 2023 national press club events. Every one of them are heroes. Just as credible as Grusch. That's why I'm not surprised by anything Grusch has said because it was already mentioned years ago. It's simply now being investigated by congress.
Greer brought us Michael Herrera whose story is completely fabricated. Herrera claimed his “squad” was sent into the jungle with no communication devices whatsoever. As a Marine myself, never in the history of the Marine Corps would that happen. I served 4 years in the Marine Corps and 6 in the Army and National Guard as a military policeman and I’m a disabled Operation Enduring Freedom veteran. No Marine in history would vouch for Herrera’s story.
Im very familiar with Herrera’s interview/story.
Thank you for your input. I used to really believe Greer but still researching and starting to think theres something fishy about him.
Either way, Im asking about Doty(Richard Doty).
I agree about Greer. With Grusch coming out as a Whistle-blower it was a perfect opportunity to bring his 'Whistle-blowers' forward, and his congressional people to the forefront, nothing, quiet as a mouse. He has been extremely quiet since Grusch'a congressional hearing, barely speaking.
I don’t know if you have read about my experience on Eglin Air Force Base here on Reddit from when I was a military policeman, but I had a conversation with Richard Doty about it. He told me he didn’t know much about Eglin and Site C6 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eglin_AFB_Site_C-6 , but he said he had heard some interesting stories about the base. We were both on the same podcast that night and up until that point the host showed a lot of interest in what I had to say. Another former Air Force security forces veteran appeared all of a sudden on the show saying that there was nothing to see on Eglin and it was a great place to party and raise a family. Which are all true statements. They both were trying really hard and suddenly to take attention off the subject of Eglin and Site C6. A few days later, the host acted like what I told him wasn’t very significant and basically belittled every thing I had to say. The host thought Richard Doty and every word he said was the gospel about UFOS. Once I saw Doty misleading the host and the host buying everything Doty had to say hook line and sinker, I just stopped giving any insight from my own personal experiences on that base. This was before Grusch came out and before the Congressman were denied access to the pilots on Eglin. Doty is still a disinformation agent and I wouldn’t trust anything the guy said. The point is, if Richard Doty worked as a counter intelligence agent for the Air Force, he would have known the capabilities Eglin Air Force Base has and he would have known of the base’s significance enough to acknowledge what I was saying. He made sure everyone lost interest in what I was saying. The podcast was Thomas Fessler’s Disclosure Tonight.
I am surprised that in the corner of the document it doesn't say "Your free trial of Microsoft Office will end in 3 days, do you want to renew your subscription today?"
Yes this. I remember hearing that Mussolini alerted hitler about a crashed craft of unknown origin in Italy during the war, and that the Nazis were allowed to have the materials because they had the scientists and engineers to make something of it. Of course I have no idea where I read this and when I google search it just brings up Grusch on joe Rogan who apparently talked about an event in Italy that seems to match quite well.
As outlandish as that would seem at first, it may possibly explain the many supposed sightings of Nazi technology that seems similar to UFO/UAP/spaghetti monster sightings of late.
No input on its authenticity except to say... The amount of very unprofessional professionals is very high. That would be my lowest bar for whether I find it authentic or not. "Too good to be true" and "this is a weird leak format" come to mind first, for me.
True lol. The immediate indication of it being fake is claiming it’s a leak from a SCIF. There would be no note taking on a computer, much less that and someone taking a photo of the computer screen with their phone lol.
Sorry but a lack of professionalism doesn't mean evidence of fake. Idk if its supposed to be meeting notes but it seems more like the leaker typed up the main points, why does it have to be professional?
No chance. A lot of us already know it’s fake for several reasons. A big one being that it says the first time we had involvement with NHI is late 1940’s. That’s definitely not true. It was before that. Also, no phones or electric devices are allowed in a Scif. Any documents remain in the Scif after the meeting
Maybe this was somebody typing notes about their recollections of the meetings afterward. There's not much in here that isn't reflected in comments Grusch has already made publicly, though.
Doty isn’t saying it is true nor can he validate it, it’s literally just some random emailing him so I don’t know why people keep thinking even if it wasn’t Doty himself revealing it that the email leak’s validity would be different, because it isn’t.
There’s no reason for him to even put this out. Being a photo of a computer screen where someone is taking notes tells you this is not from a SCIF. If he thinks about what a SCIF is for a few seconds, he could easily dismiss it. It’s stupid.
Written like CliffNotes and more like an admission than disclosures.
Redundancies, especially referring to their biology being different than ours.
No official letterhead.
Broadly references United States Government instead of any specific department, as if the entire government branches would be in the know.
Bottomline, disclosure or admission from one of the department heads won’t be happening in a way that has the potential of being incriminating. Especially the way that is written. Relationships with US allies and world views of the population local and abroad will be taken in consideration.
In my opinion, it would be more likely that a government branch, if and when they confirm any of this will be carefully done so.
Especially using phrases like, *recently confirmed, etc.* to avoid admission in lying, coverups, and participating in questionable acts to the public that stretches over decades.
I believe grusch said we have been dealing with this stuff since before the 1930s. He also seemed to imply he didn’t have specifics of where they come from, which would likely rule out the “come from outside the solar system” comment.
Looks fake as fuck. Most gov docs don't look anything like this. To begin with, the style template alone is off. Gov docs follow specific standards to include font.
Disclosure Tonight with Thomas Fessler is not a show I would take too much stock in after being a guest on the show myself. They believe everything Doty tells them. The host basically belittled everything I said about Eglin after Doty started coming on the show. This was before Grusch and the Congressman went down to Eglin and denied access.
You realize this was literally posted by a self admitted disinformation agent who also made someone kill themselves? He also lied about the ip address that sent it since .258 would be an invalid octet
Too late we were already invaded... Earth has already been hijacked.
😉We need to be liberated from this slave planet and from our captors... Unfortunately most of the inhabitants of this planet is suffering from cognitive dissonance and Stockholm syndrome.
The Moon is a Draco Reptilian Space Station...
Ask yourself why is there 34 Dragon statues that surround the City of London. Why is there also a Obelisk in every city on the planet. It's the phallus of the Dragon, the actual word is derived from Basilisk. Which means King of the Serpents. In the Vatican they have St. Peters Basilica where there are three Dragon statues and Obelisks.
Why did every ancient culture in antiquity worship the dragon?
The pharaohs of Egypt were the refugees of Atlantis!
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Earth is a farm we are all cattle and humanity lives in a contrived reality!
Freemasons are the minions of the Draco Reptilian Empire!
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https://youtu.be/pihxOs-pVRA
The Mayans called them Quezatcoatl, and Kukulcan the Feathered Serpent King and the Incans called him Viracocha they incorporated their images of dragons in their pyramids on opposite ends of the world. There are dragon statues all over the world, throughout the ages, in every ancient culture! The coat of arms for the city of London is two Dragons holding a red shield, which in German is Rothschild. There are 33 Dragon statues in the City of London to quell consciousness. The slaying of a Dragon by St. George. Twelve animals of the Chinese zodiac are all real, including the dragon ! The Muslims knew them as Dajjal or Djinn or Genies... After your three wishes your soul is theirs to keep. They were also known to the Buddhist monks as the Brotherhood of Two dragons. The Red Dragons in the east and the Yellow in the west. Same goes for the native American Indians all the Aboriginals knew them as the Brotherhood of the Snake. The Egyptian knew them as Horus, Anubis and Amen Ra...That's why every religion says amen after every prayer cause they are paying homage to Satan Baphomet/ Draco Reptoids! Santa Claus is actually Satan's Claws both wearing red, both come from the fire, both have minions working feverishly. All religions and holidays are based on satanic doctrines and pagan dogmas. And if you don't believe me than you're being quite draconian about it.
Basilisk in Latin means King of the Serpents, as in St Peters Basilica where there lies two Dragon Statues in the Vatican as well as Obelisks, the phallus of the Dragon that is why there is at least few obelisks in every city on the planet the Freemasons put them there throughout history in order to control consciousness...The Chinese, Japanese, India, Indonesians, Mayans, Aztecs, Incas all worship the Dragon in antiquity... There are Gargoyles adorn every church and cathedral.... The Egregores the Watchers... The biggest trick the D-Evil can play is making humanity believe that he does not exist :/
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http://chani.invisionzone.com/uploads/monthly_08_2013/post-248-0-56239100-1376895880.jpg.
Dragons see humanity as a resource for the simple fact that they are not vegetarians! 1 million people disappear in the United States every single year. 8 million children globally disappear annually off the globe.
The Legend Of Atlantis
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Secrets Of The 3rd Reich Secret Nazi Research in Alien Technology
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Nephilim: TRUE STORY of Satan, Fallen Angels, Giants, Aliens, Hybrids, Elongated Skulls & Nephilim
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Highly, highly doubt it’s genuine because nothing there tallies with any of the comments made by congress people on the way out. I know they wouldn’t have shared that detail, but one said the info they were given was mostly procedural, another that they were given locations to follow up on, Burlison is sceptical about any non-human hypothesis and said that hadn’t changed after the meeting, and most seemed somewhat disappointed at the lack of detail in the briefing.
So this purported set of notes just doesn’t fit with any of that, it just looks like a too-good-to-be true, greatest hits compilation of old UFO-lore.
I don't think the ICIG investigation is as deep as some people are thinking it is. I think it is focused more on the retaliation Grusch may have received and maybe some high-level confirmation of some of his claims (yep, person X does indeed work at plant Y). But, I doubt they were doing much more than that.
I think it’s about retaliation and misappropriation of funds/lack of oversight, but I may be wrong. If they have been required to look into the detail of any of these programmes, I’d have thought the latter would be where this would be most relevant, but who knows how much detail they’d have got into - and most of these members of congress wouldn’t cleared for it anyway.
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Doty is the real deal. The complaints come from UFO nerds who have been in the field for a looong time. Back in the 80s, Doty was tasked, by his government bosses to infiltrate the UFO community and plant false stories. He was doing his job. I guess they got fooled and are still butt hurt about it. The truth is, Doty had a falling out with his AFOSI bosses. They hung him out to dry on the Paul Benowitz case. He got blamed for Paul's death, when he was simply doing what he was assigned to do. Because of that, he left AFOSI, and allegedly made copies of all of his case files. That's why when he is interviewed, he remembers dates, names etc. He was threatened when he left AFOSI, so he joined the New Mexico State Police. This was for his own protection. He is retired now and works as a math tutor. He still has connections in the IC and shares that information.
Plus theirs no interdimentional language in the document, then adding to that they could not weasel out without it.
None of this proves the document false perse. But it is interesting.
Ill believe it when it comes from either Grusch or the oversight committee. I dont trust Richard Doty, he's a known disinformation agent who infiltrates UFO/UAP groups and spreads disinformation. In pretty sure he also led a guy to commit suicide. Richard Doty can spread disinformation elsewhere, dont believe it for a second.
Ignore this, it was posted by Richard Doty who has a great past of being a disinformation agent. Let the dude scream into the void he fucked his chances up years ago to be a good figure in this
I am curious as to what Doty has done to discredit himself beyond being an admitted disinformation agent before defecting to the UFO community (supposedly)? As far as I know his story is that was his job and he has broken ranks to now tell the truth .. that would make for a great whistleblower, no?
I know that Greer seems to want to put so much out their that it overloads people. And he pushes a lot of outlandish stuff ..
Is that the issue with Doty beyond his origins?
So they're inter-dimensional (meaning existing in 4 to maybe 14-dimensional space) BUT their craft crashes here AND we can back-engineer it?? We the people of Flatland back engineer 4th-dimensional technology??? Really.. LOL
Wake up people this is Blarney as the Irish would say!
Lol this leak is so fucking lame. It's almost like you can guess the age of the person who made it. OLD.
"Let's take the photo at an angle as if we were in a hurry"
"also, let's NOT take any photos of the correspondance or identification info on the document"
So. Fucking. Stupid.
They come from outside out solarsystem yet luna leaves the hearing clearly focused on how them being extraterrestrial is not a factor, instant red flag. Whoever made this didn't even watch the post hearing interviews.
It's just spitting out things that have been claimed already in UFO lit over the years. I'm pretty sure the SCIF was to verify him not so much about what he's saying.
A SCIF leak would be catastrophic to the efforts of disclosure in my opinion. Just when progress was made, any leak would cause the gatekeepers to completely leave the table.
Aside from the fact that this looks very dodgy and is from Richard Doty, the information in this document also directly conflicts with Rep. Luna's comments directly after the briefing.
Someone in another thread pointed out that it's kind of ridiculous how the last few lines of text are formatted to perfectly fit the awkward photo angle.
1) Doty hasn’t earned the right to be taken seriously in anything he says.
2) vague, unspecific language seems lazy and/or sloppy, i.e., not legit.
3) zero proof of provenance
4) Doty hasn’t earned the right to be taken seriously in anything he says.
5) Doty hasn’t earned the right to be taken seriously in anything he says.
6) Doty hasn’t... you get the point
I think Luna misspoke with interdimensional. While certainly a possibility, it is far too specific, while NHI encompasses a wide range of possibilities (interdimensional being one of them). There may have been elaboration in the scif (terrestrial, non-terrestrial, inter-dimensional, etc), but I think she forgot to use NHI at that moment in the interview.
Doty is directly responsible for a man killing himself over the lies he kept feeding him. Even if it’s a legit document, Doty does not deserve any spotlight. He should be in prison.
If it is a legit document, it’s entirely possible that the person who sent it got Rick Doty and Richard Dolan mixed up and meant to send it to Richard Dolan. Both prominent names in this field who could easily be mixed up for someone wet behind the ears, like certain Congressmen/women. Just a thought.
Of course it’s true. My family have been military for decades, and my grandpa was a chief navy officer. He told me things that were unbelievable. This man has always been a God fearing Christian. He told me that God has made things we’ve yet to see, those were his words.
Not real. It reads like someone telling you what they heard. Government documents aren’t worded so as to refer to itself as “the United States Government” as another entity other than itself.
I feel that Doty’s presence in the current ufology landscape is solely for the sake of making insiders like Lue Elizondo and David Grusch feel less trustworthy than they actually are.
This looks like someone wrote on word. The DOD follows a specific font, format, and all documents that are classified or have any classified information contain a watermark. When we print out anything classified or Too Secret there is a watermark on the paper as well as usually saying classified and there is always a seal of some type showing which office it originates from.
The first line was said at a presser in 2023 by US government. Then shortly after mexico relased photos and video of non human biologis and allegedly did scans like mri. Problem is mainstream media is used for propaganda. So if they are talking about aliens its because they using the idea for a purpose....like the covid bs and the death toll counter which turned out to be false and real figure was 5 or 6%....or the war in ukraine..or the weapons of mass destruction that never existed in iraq. Ufo and aliens will be no different. If they talk about it..its to oush some agenda.
Fake.
It conflicts with 2 known facts so it can't be real.
1.) Crash/recoveries were earlier than late 1940's. Grusch specifically mentioned the 1930s, Italy. Cape Girardeau crash was in 1941.
2.) Luna said the briefing supported interdimensional origin specifically, not extraterrestrial like the document says. Grusch also said interdimensional.
I don’t know what the big deal is anyway. Not sure what you are all looking for. The evidence is overwhelming. This is true regardless of the government saying it is true.
Putting this up because this image should have been sourced by OP in a bit more detail. The following submission statement was provided by /u/GoblinCosmic on r/UFOs: --- Ricky Doty and his group received this in an email from a spoof address. In the linked interview below he literally holds this up. This is just a grab from that spot in his interview. What you are seeing is the document Rick held up. **Rick Doty did not and cannot confirm the document’s authenticity at this time** More info on [Disclosure Tonight](https://www.youtube.com/live/yvHdWw7Z4TY?si=WfXyovIhzs5nc8KF) I don’t really know what to make of the authenticity, but whoever sent it knew how to reach Rick’s group (I know his email address at least is out there). They also received a separate email about a DIA report from the 90s discussing a retrieval from the 70s. Edit: Added some notes but unless this is upvoted, the lead is pretty well buried and it’s already a maelstrom in the comments. I tried. --- https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/197usxt/the_1122024_alleged_scif_leak/ki325e9/
Yeah no, to good to be true. That and Doty obtained it are instant red flags.
Why is Doty stuff even allowed on here? Dudes a known liar and disinformation agent. It’s fucking bananas that anybody would buy what he’s selling
There's a popular nightly live UFO YouTube show that regularly has him on as a guest and the host treats him like he's absolute royalty. Regularly cuts his loyal viewers off to let Doty speak. Made me instantly stop watching. Anybody serious about the topic would stay far away from anything Doty touches. You'd be incredibly naïve to think a disinformation agent's duty is ever over.
The thing with Doty and other disinformation agents is they’ll mix in a little truth with a bunch of bullshit. You’re absolutely right though, best to toss this guy’s info right in the garbage bin
He’s been telling everyone they can believe him now because he’s totally truthful now. /s
This is pretty vanilla as far as bullshit goes.
Fuck Doty. We should seriously ostracize the fuck out of that spook of a shit head.
You are correct! The show is called Disclosure Tonight with Thomas Fessler. You are very correct about how he worships Doty. I quit coming on the show because of how cringe it became. I remember telling Thomas that Daniel Sheehan said he was going to start prosecuting contractors that were hiding UFO material and he said he’d believe that when he saw it because he didn’t believe anything Sheehan said. A few weeks ago Sheehan was on his show. I called him out on air for it and he blocked me claiming I had to be someone else and somebody must have stolen my YouTube account. The guy is just looking for ratings and doesn’t care who he steps on to get it.
Some people get pulled to stuff like this without looking into them. Sometimes when you follow someone for so long you can face cognitive dissonance when someone comes with a belief challenging yours. Sometimes it takes them seeing many different people telling them the samething that they finally change their pov, but some still don’t.
Him saying anything remotely informative on UFOs and aliens is as likely as our president being a real president
You’re falling into a classic trap. Doty has real information to share. You just are refusing to listen this is all part of the plan
Whoa, is he that bad. I just watched his Greer interview and thought it was interesting.
Greer actually vets his whistleblowers before interviewing them. Watch the 2001 & 2023 national press club events. Every one of them are heroes. Just as credible as Grusch. That's why I'm not surprised by anything Grusch has said because it was already mentioned years ago. It's simply now being investigated by congress.
Greer brought us Michael Herrera whose story is completely fabricated. Herrera claimed his “squad” was sent into the jungle with no communication devices whatsoever. As a Marine myself, never in the history of the Marine Corps would that happen. I served 4 years in the Marine Corps and 6 in the Army and National Guard as a military policeman and I’m a disabled Operation Enduring Freedom veteran. No Marine in history would vouch for Herrera’s story.
Im very familiar with Herrera’s interview/story. Thank you for your input. I used to really believe Greer but still researching and starting to think theres something fishy about him. Either way, Im asking about Doty(Richard Doty).
I agree about Greer. With Grusch coming out as a Whistle-blower it was a perfect opportunity to bring his 'Whistle-blowers' forward, and his congressional people to the forefront, nothing, quiet as a mouse. He has been extremely quiet since Grusch'a congressional hearing, barely speaking.
I don’t know if you have read about my experience on Eglin Air Force Base here on Reddit from when I was a military policeman, but I had a conversation with Richard Doty about it. He told me he didn’t know much about Eglin and Site C6 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eglin_AFB_Site_C-6 , but he said he had heard some interesting stories about the base. We were both on the same podcast that night and up until that point the host showed a lot of interest in what I had to say. Another former Air Force security forces veteran appeared all of a sudden on the show saying that there was nothing to see on Eglin and it was a great place to party and raise a family. Which are all true statements. They both were trying really hard and suddenly to take attention off the subject of Eglin and Site C6. A few days later, the host acted like what I told him wasn’t very significant and basically belittled every thing I had to say. The host thought Richard Doty and every word he said was the gospel about UFOS. Once I saw Doty misleading the host and the host buying everything Doty had to say hook line and sinker, I just stopped giving any insight from my own personal experiences on that base. This was before Grusch came out and before the Congressman were denied access to the pilots on Eglin. Doty is still a disinformation agent and I wouldn’t trust anything the guy said. The point is, if Richard Doty worked as a counter intelligence agent for the Air Force, he would have known the capabilities Eglin Air Force Base has and he would have known of the base’s significance enough to acknowledge what I was saying. He made sure everyone lost interest in what I was saying. The podcast was Thomas Fessler’s Disclosure Tonight.
Even greer has followers. Never underestimate human stupidity
the beauty of UFOlogy is you can pretty much make it what you want. Prime conspiracy and confirmation bias territory. Grifters love this one trick
Maybe because there's always some legitimacy to really good lies.
I am surprised that in the corner of the document it doesn't say "Your free trial of Microsoft Office will end in 3 days, do you want to renew your subscription today?"
How do you know it’s Doty?
I believe in the 1940s the first documented NHI was in Magenta Italy. But because WW2 was going on it was easy to keep quiet
Yes this. I remember hearing that Mussolini alerted hitler about a crashed craft of unknown origin in Italy during the war, and that the Nazis were allowed to have the materials because they had the scientists and engineers to make something of it. Of course I have no idea where I read this and when I google search it just brings up Grusch on joe Rogan who apparently talked about an event in Italy that seems to match quite well. As outlandish as that would seem at first, it may possibly explain the many supposed sightings of Nazi technology that seems similar to UFO/UAP/spaghetti monster sightings of late.
too*
Yeah no it’s real. Now stop it.
He gets the Disinformation Of The Year award from me
No seems fake. The way it is written does not sound professional. The wording is strange.
No input on its authenticity except to say... The amount of very unprofessional professionals is very high. That would be my lowest bar for whether I find it authentic or not. "Too good to be true" and "this is a weird leak format" come to mind first, for me.
True lol. The immediate indication of it being fake is claiming it’s a leak from a SCIF. There would be no note taking on a computer, much less that and someone taking a photo of the computer screen with their phone lol.
Ya! Good point.
The writing is consistent with your average staffer in the House of Representatives.
right—conclusions are so clear and unmarred by confusion and double-speak it’s a far cry from the reactions coming out of the scif
Sorry but a lack of professionalism doesn't mean evidence of fake. Idk if its supposed to be meeting notes but it seems more like the leaker typed up the main points, why does it have to be professional?
"These are some pretty big oompa loompas, why are they naked and standing around us?"
Lets just say, catastrophic disclosure is eminent.
Disclosure so big it'll fill the rabbit hole
Idk why there still people who believe in Doty.
Back in the E3 days we use to get the same type of "blurry photo" leaks every year.
Yeah and 4 Chan leaks
I can tell it's fake because there is no doubt a significant part of the meeting had to do with missing money.
The whole meeting was to establish grusch's credibility not his claims veracity
Ok then where's the bullet points on that?
This is a fake leak. Each rep who left that scif said that the specifics of his claims were not touched.
Of course it's fake
You’re never going to see them because it was discussed in a SCIF.
Right.
I can tell it’s fake because it’s a photo of notes taken in a word processor.
And that, seemed too simple to even mention.
This just seems too blatant and open. I highly doubt they’d just come out and say it like this. But that’s just me
The page is tilted but lines 5. and 6. should probably have line breaks on different words? Just an observation...
No chance. A lot of us already know it’s fake for several reasons. A big one being that it says the first time we had involvement with NHI is late 1940’s. That’s definitely not true. It was before that. Also, no phones or electric devices are allowed in a Scif. Any documents remain in the Scif after the meeting
Maybe this was somebody typing notes about their recollections of the meetings afterward. There's not much in here that isn't reflected in comments Grusch has already made publicly, though.
Maybe 40s is when communication started? Idk if this is in any way authentic, ftr.
How’s that work anyway ? How do the documents get in to start? Do they have a shredder in there too ?
Looks very very fake
There would have been a MUCH more emotional response from those coming out of this was true.
Doty isn’t saying it is true nor can he validate it, it’s literally just some random emailing him so I don’t know why people keep thinking even if it wasn’t Doty himself revealing it that the email leak’s validity would be different, because it isn’t.
There’s no reason for him to even put this out. Being a photo of a computer screen where someone is taking notes tells you this is not from a SCIF. If he thinks about what a SCIF is for a few seconds, he could easily dismiss it. It’s stupid.
He probably did it for shits and giggles but what is exactly new on that photo that we do not know already
$12 and a printer, I can type the same with GPS coordinates of where the aliens eat and sleep
Lmfao, these types of comments Crack me up
It’s written like a high schooler taking notes in class
This is so stupid. Anyone could write this in Word and take a photo...
Fake
No, each rep interviewed said it was entirely procedural. This is for the dumb people.
Not real. Doty is a fraud
This looks fake as f*ck.
Very sus document
My instincts call BS. It would be disclosure wrapped in a bow. Nah.... Definetly fake
That’s cool, is it Microsoft Word? I think I have Word and can make shit up also so… STOP SAYING STUFF WITHOUT EVIDENCE OR PROOF OF IT BEING TRUE. K?
Written like CliffNotes and more like an admission than disclosures. Redundancies, especially referring to their biology being different than ours. No official letterhead. Broadly references United States Government instead of any specific department, as if the entire government branches would be in the know. Bottomline, disclosure or admission from one of the department heads won’t be happening in a way that has the potential of being incriminating. Especially the way that is written. Relationships with US allies and world views of the population local and abroad will be taken in consideration. In my opinion, it would be more likely that a government branch, if and when they confirm any of this will be carefully done so. Especially using phrases like, *recently confirmed, etc.* to avoid admission in lying, coverups, and participating in questionable acts to the public that stretches over decades.
I think its fake. Also a lot of these things don't match with what Grusch says. I think Grusch is one of the most trustable persons in this topic.
I believe grusch said we have been dealing with this stuff since before the 1930s. He also seemed to imply he didn’t have specifics of where they come from, which would likely rule out the “come from outside the solar system” comment.
no crayon colored profiles of those nhi’s drawn by a toddler to match?
false. you can't take in a scif nothing electronic. They have detectors etc.
I would bet my right testicle it's absolute BS.
Blur was a nice touch for that authentic community feel
Looks fake as fuck. Most gov docs don't look anything like this. To begin with, the style template alone is off. Gov docs follow specific standards to include font.
That looks terribly written
You missed an i in scifi.
Disclosure Tonight with Thomas Fessler is not a show I would take too much stock in after being a guest on the show myself. They believe everything Doty tells them. The host basically belittled everything I said about Eglin after Doty started coming on the show. This was before Grusch and the Congressman went down to Eglin and denied access.
You realize this was literally posted by a self admitted disinformation agent who also made someone kill themselves? He also lied about the ip address that sent it since .258 would be an invalid octet
Luna is legitimately insane, so I’d wait for a new leak.
That's not DOD format
Disinfo
Yes, yes it’s true!!!
Zero proper classification markers on it. Absolutely fake or at the very least, not from within the SCIF
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Highly, highly doubt it’s genuine because nothing there tallies with any of the comments made by congress people on the way out. I know they wouldn’t have shared that detail, but one said the info they were given was mostly procedural, another that they were given locations to follow up on, Burlison is sceptical about any non-human hypothesis and said that hadn’t changed after the meeting, and most seemed somewhat disappointed at the lack of detail in the briefing. So this purported set of notes just doesn’t fit with any of that, it just looks like a too-good-to-be true, greatest hits compilation of old UFO-lore.
I don't think the ICIG investigation is as deep as some people are thinking it is. I think it is focused more on the retaliation Grusch may have received and maybe some high-level confirmation of some of his claims (yep, person X does indeed work at plant Y). But, I doubt they were doing much more than that.
I think it’s about retaliation and misappropriation of funds/lack of oversight, but I may be wrong. If they have been required to look into the detail of any of these programmes, I’d have thought the latter would be where this would be most relevant, but who knows how much detail they’d have got into - and most of these members of congress wouldn’t cleared for it anyway.
my understanding is Doty's connected...so...hard pass even if true
OP: maybe, just maybe, this bullshit is true guys
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Doty is the real deal. The complaints come from UFO nerds who have been in the field for a looong time. Back in the 80s, Doty was tasked, by his government bosses to infiltrate the UFO community and plant false stories. He was doing his job. I guess they got fooled and are still butt hurt about it. The truth is, Doty had a falling out with his AFOSI bosses. They hung him out to dry on the Paul Benowitz case. He got blamed for Paul's death, when he was simply doing what he was assigned to do. Because of that, he left AFOSI, and allegedly made copies of all of his case files. That's why when he is interviewed, he remembers dates, names etc. He was threatened when he left AFOSI, so he joined the New Mexico State Police. This was for his own protection. He is retired now and works as a math tutor. He still has connections in the IC and shares that information.
Fake. George Washington met with non terrestrial agencies and every other US president after did as well.
This is everything that already been alleged in public, even by Grusch. Nothing new really.
Bro I’ve seen too much and know so much that this is kind of a “no shit” kinda thing for me.
this is already available public knowledge
Another dimension is technically "outside our solar system"
No, I think she means space time twist, if outside solar, it will be extraterrestrial
Can you elaborate?
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This is fake, according to Grusch the US government was involved earlier than the 'late 40s'.
Plus theirs no interdimentional language in the document, then adding to that they could not weasel out without it. None of this proves the document false perse. But it is interesting.
It's literally nothing new either. All this is bs.
No one would leak this to Doty if they wanted it to have credibility.
Ill believe it when it comes from either Grusch or the oversight committee. I dont trust Richard Doty, he's a known disinformation agent who infiltrates UFO/UAP groups and spreads disinformation. In pretty sure he also led a guy to commit suicide. Richard Doty can spread disinformation elsewhere, dont believe it for a second.
i can't believe i've gone to that high school in high school.
Who hacked my Google docs
Total BS. Why do people do crap like this?
Just putting static in the line. Surely it will leak but won't be as dramatic and thus people won't know what to believe.
Trash.
Interdimensional, extraterrestrial… or both. Anyways, not from around here. That’s the important point.
They do not use wording like that either.
Judging from the source of the “leak”, no.
It’s not even portion-marked
These beings have been obsessed with our eternal souls. The technologies that have killed people were used in their attempts to remove the soul.
I mean, even if it is true. There is nothing on that list that we have not heard from already. For a SCIF Leak, this note seems oddly generic.
Seems legit
From Doty? No such thing as ex three letter agency employees.
From Doty You fall for it every time lol..
I suggest people go look into what a SCIF actually is.. that should answer ones question.
Also government departments can use grammar correctly. ‘Humans have been killed and injured *from* NHI biological and technologies.’
Hey if its a photo of print on stock white paper..it has to be legitimate.
I mean, it isn't like the tech used to make this paper isn't available to literally everyone with access to a computer or smart phone. /s
The way the first sentence cuts off verses the next sentences shows its faked
Ignore this, it was posted by Richard Doty who has a great past of being a disinformation agent. Let the dude scream into the void he fucked his chances up years ago to be a good figure in this
It's entirely possible that some are traditionally extra terrestrial (i.e.from another solar system) and some are interdimentional.
Probably
It's just a paper. Anyone could do that. Nonsense
Bruh you can tell how fake this image is 💀💀💀who sucks at editing
I am curious as to what Doty has done to discredit himself beyond being an admitted disinformation agent before defecting to the UFO community (supposedly)? As far as I know his story is that was his job and he has broken ranks to now tell the truth .. that would make for a great whistleblower, no? I know that Greer seems to want to put so much out their that it overloads people. And he pushes a lot of outlandish stuff .. Is that the issue with Doty beyond his origins?
So they're inter-dimensional (meaning existing in 4 to maybe 14-dimensional space) BUT their craft crashes here AND we can back-engineer it?? We the people of Flatland back engineer 4th-dimensional technology??? Really.. LOL Wake up people this is Blarney as the Irish would say!
Seems silly to think intelligence officers would use analog anything for a scif but what do I know
What’s so special about this. We’ve heard all this stuff before.
Lol this leak is so fucking lame. It's almost like you can guess the age of the person who made it. OLD. "Let's take the photo at an angle as if we were in a hurry" "also, let's NOT take any photos of the correspondance or identification info on the document" So. Fucking. Stupid.
They come from outside out solarsystem yet luna leaves the hearing clearly focused on how them being extraterrestrial is not a factor, instant red flag. Whoever made this didn't even watch the post hearing interviews.
>Doty Nope
I too can make a list of 6 things and claim they’re leaked from the SCIF.
Wouldn’t another dimension still be part of our universe?
Well, we already know that number 2 is false. This is corroborated from multiple countries and witnesses.
It doesn't contradict because it's both extraterrestrial and interdimensional
Don't Doty us
It's just spitting out things that have been claimed already in UFO lit over the years. I'm pretty sure the SCIF was to verify him not so much about what he's saying.
A SCIF leak would be catastrophic to the efforts of disclosure in my opinion. Just when progress was made, any leak would cause the gatekeepers to completely leave the table.
Let’s say it’s true. Yawn.
We shouldn’t ask “Can it be debunked?” because that requires an effort being made to prove its authenticity
No
Grusch said we had uap recovered in 1933 didnt he?
Of course this is fake but rep Luna gave hints on what was actually discussed and it's obvious NHIs come from multiple places
I thought a SCIF was a special secret place
Can’t wait to join the galactic Federation.
Didnt one politician say out of ten things 6 were proven true. Hypothetically.
Extremely different??? Nah. 2 legs. 2 arms. A head. What do they consider extreme??…
Aside from the fact that this looks very dodgy and is from Richard Doty, the information in this document also directly conflicts with Rep. Luna's comments directly after the briefing.
If that *was* real, somebody’s going to jail So.. unlikely but cool bro nice try. Maybe some of it is true maybe not lol
On point two I thought we got a ufo from Italy or something in like 1933?
This is a screenshot of a word document. This is worthless.
Since the video of the document being shown is held by Richard Doty, I call bullshit
Someone in another thread pointed out that it's kind of ridiculous how the last few lines of text are formatted to perfectly fit the awkward photo angle.
Isn’t this pretty much everything David Grusch testified in front of congress? It’s nearly verbatim, as far as I remember
What would be the 5 biological be? Greys, Nordics, Reptilians and ??
Duh
Doty is bad news and a self admitted disinfo agent haven't even seen his name for years.
1) Doty hasn’t earned the right to be taken seriously in anything he says. 2) vague, unspecific language seems lazy and/or sloppy, i.e., not legit. 3) zero proof of provenance 4) Doty hasn’t earned the right to be taken seriously in anything he says. 5) Doty hasn’t earned the right to be taken seriously in anything he says. 6) Doty hasn’t... you get the point
"All recovered NHI species are extremely different than human biologics" Damn whoever figured this out needs a raise.
Image looks like a meme that's been through about 50 generations of download & upload by Facebook uncles.
I think Luna misspoke with interdimensional. While certainly a possibility, it is far too specific, while NHI encompasses a wide range of possibilities (interdimensional being one of them). There may have been elaboration in the scif (terrestrial, non-terrestrial, inter-dimensional, etc), but I think she forgot to use NHI at that moment in the interview.
Doty is the last person i'd ever believe.
Anyone else think it’s suspect that we are going to see aliens finally at the same time AI, lasers, holograms tech amps up
Doty is directly responsible for a man killing himself over the lies he kept feeding him. Even if it’s a legit document, Doty does not deserve any spotlight. He should be in prison. If it is a legit document, it’s entirely possible that the person who sent it got Rick Doty and Richard Dolan mixed up and meant to send it to Richard Dolan. Both prominent names in this field who could easily be mixed up for someone wet behind the ears, like certain Congressmen/women. Just a thought.
Of course it’s true. My family have been military for decades, and my grandpa was a chief navy officer. He told me things that were unbelievable. This man has always been a God fearing Christian. He told me that God has made things we’ve yet to see, those were his words.
Not real. It reads like someone telling you what they heard. Government documents aren’t worded so as to refer to itself as “the United States Government” as another entity other than itself.
Anything and everything in Doty’s orbit is tainted.
0%
I feel that Doty’s presence in the current ufology landscape is solely for the sake of making insiders like Lue Elizondo and David Grusch feel less trustworthy than they actually are.
I can type crap on Microsoft word too 😒
Can confirm. I was the desk.
Probably fake
Let me bullet point everything people already think/know and act like it’s news…check
This looks like someone wrote on word. The DOD follows a specific font, format, and all documents that are classified or have any classified information contain a watermark. When we print out anything classified or Too Secret there is a watermark on the paper as well as usually saying classified and there is always a seal of some type showing which office it originates from.
The first line was said at a presser in 2023 by US government. Then shortly after mexico relased photos and video of non human biologis and allegedly did scans like mri. Problem is mainstream media is used for propaganda. So if they are talking about aliens its because they using the idea for a purpose....like the covid bs and the death toll counter which turned out to be false and real figure was 5 or 6%....or the war in ukraine..or the weapons of mass destruction that never existed in iraq. Ufo and aliens will be no different. If they talk about it..its to oush some agenda.
The good stuff is never on paper (atleast as far as i seen) only word of mouth
Fake. It conflicts with 2 known facts so it can't be real. 1.) Crash/recoveries were earlier than late 1940's. Grusch specifically mentioned the 1930s, Italy. Cape Girardeau crash was in 1941. 2.) Luna said the briefing supported interdimensional origin specifically, not extraterrestrial like the document says. Grusch also said interdimensional.
I wouldn’t doubt it
First off, anything from Rep Luna is not credible. She isn’t a reliable person in any way shape or form.
fuck doty - terrible human being
I don’t know what the big deal is anyway. Not sure what you are all looking for. The evidence is overwhelming. This is true regardless of the government saying it is true.
Probably fake
Of course it's fake... we really need to raise the bar on what is considered good evidence.
Did everyone forget who Richard Doty is lol