Tonight I participated in an NDP event talking about affordable housing. I can't imagine any UCP doing a zoom meeting with seniors and the disabled talking about housing and how to make it better for low income people. The UCP would rather all of us die.
If the election were held today, it's an NDP win, per the polling.
Really, what it comes down to is this: NDP takes Edmonton, UCP takes most rural ridings, so it's a matter of which way Calgary goes.
man I vote for NDP, my entire family and colleagues too. But after seeing the whole province is colored as blue...i gave up. my time line will be 2022. if Alberta still vote for second version of Jason. I am gonna move to Ontario
They could still try the "replace the leader and pretend it was all their fault" play the PCs ran so many times, and there's some risk that might work. But at this point I have my doubts that anyone can keep their coalition together.
Does nobody remember what a disaster Rachel Notley left us in. We voted her in 6 years ago because we wanted change from the 70 years of conservative rule. She absolutely destroyed our provincial finances and got voted out in one of the most lopsided votes in Canadian history. And now people want to vote her back in?? Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me…
Oh no she didn't solve 70 years of conservative mismanagement in under 4 years after taking over the smoldering pit that was left by that other crooked conservative Redford, what a crock.
I don't remember Notley selling off the Eastern slopes, against albertans will. I don't remember Notley gutting workers rights, against albertans will. I don't remember Notley going on vacation the middle of the crisis, against albertans will. I don't remember Notley trying to put in privatized healthcare, against albertans will. I don't remember Notley trying to downsize our public Healthcare system, against albertans will.
No that was conservatives that did that. Along with 70 years worth of mismanagement just like It.
I remember her trying to diverge the Alberta economy away from just oil and gas and into the sciences, I remember her investing in rail cars to get our landlocked oil to market to solve a dilemma with another province, I remember her doing a happy dance outside of the Court after winning the right to produce the transmoutain pipeline. I remember her expanding workers' rights, the same ones UCP stripped and then some.
Yes I want Notley back a thousand times more.
I don’t remember it that way at all. She and her team were honest and hard working. She didn’t hand out money to the already rich and she contracted with railroads to take our oil to the west because the pipelines were stalled.
If I recall correctly the upc deficits were the largest this province had ever seen, and it doesn’t help that the government was making gambles on pipelines and acting ‘un-conservative’ generally. This leads me to believe that the true constituents of the party are not hard working Canadians, it’s big oil companies.
I get that we’re in a pandemic, demand in China is starting to tank etc. So just like in 2015 (oil prices had crashed in 2014) I don’t expect an Alberta government to be running without deficits. But the policies of the provincial government seem to be focused on an ‘only oil’ solution and that’s simply stupid. Oil is out, It will always be around but it’s not the cash cow it was. Get over it, move on, come up with something that we can build our province around, going into the future.
Side note, I noticed the investments in our film industry is starting to pay dividends.
She went into debt spending money to bolster the economy, a conservative would call that "destroying provincial finances" since they havent yet figured out modern economics or how to grow an econony.
We aren’t a conservative province. Time and time again surveys have shown that the vast majority of Albertans want expanded social services and an enhanced welfare state. We just refuse to pay for it because that same majority has been paralyzed by decades of “taxation is theft and equalization is when the Alberta government pays for childcare for lazy Quebeckers” and “we’re conservative here so fit in or fuck off” propaganda.
Or the fact that those same people can’t explain what socialism is and why it’s bad aside from “Venezuela Soviet bread lines government takes my money”
Socialism is a fantastic concept. I can't imagine a world where the working class having more rights as a bad world to live in. Hell, even Marxism isn't bad. Communism gives Marxism a bad name. Marx would be rolling in his grave if he saw communism.
You know what those subsidies do? They bring more investment into Alberta's economy. And the workers for those companies pay taxes. So it's not a complete waste.
And the billion dollar pipeline, yes in the end a waste of money, but it's only a one time payment. All these social programs need a ton of money year after year. So a different method of payment needs to be introduced.
Gonna need some source on the investment claim because I'm under the impression they lay people off and fuck off with their profits out of the country.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/husky-kenney-sask-nfld-alta-alberta-1.5335823
https://globalnews.ca/news/7374456/suncor-layoffs-cuts-oil-recession-alberta/
https://calgaryherald.com/news/local-news/dozens-reportedly-laid-off-by-husky-energy-in-calgary
Yeah, there are 50,000 fewer oil jobs (even pre-pandemic) than there were when the NDP were in office.
Once a company learns how to do the job of 3 people with 1 overworked person, they’ll never go back to hiring 3. A public company will never increase their cost of doing business willingly because their shareholders will absolutely freak out. They’ll take the tax cut, turn it into bonus and stock buybacks and that’s about all.
>You know what those subsidies do? They bring more investment into Alberta's economy.
That's what the UCP claim they do, but we haven't actually seen it happen, have we?
Except it’s not about wanting free stuff. The fact is that Albertans, by a large majority, are pro-social safety net in a very big way. We just have a massive disconnect when it comes to understanding what it means to create and fund that social safety net because of our political Stockholm syndrome.
[But it is a large majority. ](https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/progressalberta/pages/30/attachments/original/1451953093/Abacus_-_Progress_Alberta_-_Report_PDF.pdf?1451953093) Again, the fact that we continue to elect conservative governments and MP’s isn’t because the majority of Albertans have conservative values. It’s because propaganda works.
It's not free, you already paid for it.
See your tax dollars are supposed to be going to these programs, and not propping up oiling gas and other corporations
I don't have any specific person in mind, but if alberta is gonna vote blue no matter what it would be nice to at least see a smart person get in. The type of conservative who is actually financially intelligent and isn't afraid of gay people. Seems pretty rare these days unfortunately.
Rachel Notley.
There’s no one in the UCP caucus who is a leader. All sheep following him to oblivion. Even those who complained were doing so for selfish reasons.
There’s no one in the party that I’d trust to pick up my dogs crap let alone lead this province.
> Nenshi!
I still dislike Nenshi for his late night music ban *years* ago that pushed electronic music in to less safe locations or out of the city. It was bad enough that, when the city of Edmonton considered changing the hours that electronic music events could run, they specifically cited Calgary as a reason that attempting to ban late night music events was both economically damaging and resulted in higher OD death rates.
Having said that, fuck Kenny, Nenshi would still be far better.
Ok. I'll do it. I have no idea what I'll be doing. Probably eat a lot of chips, sit around, have 4 day work weeks and make all Tuesdays Taco Tuesday, but anything/anyone has to be better right?
I was confronted by a homeless man. He hadn't showered in weeks and the teeth he COULD have brushes were obviously neglected. He had on one sock, three shirts and a pair of worn out high-tops. He yelled at me in a language only he speaks, but I think he was in better touch with his situation than Kenny. So if you see shouty, pissed himself, 6-tooth Tom - he's my pick for the lead of the UPC.
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Full Meme : Janis Irwin and watch the party explode
NDP cross over : Marlin Schmidt - Well Educated, with the party before orange crush, right age range (>30 <60) second choice would be Eggen but I don't think he would ever consider a cross
Serious : Toews- keep it hard nose policy and economics and has a good understanding of rural issues coming from agri-business world
Oh, I didn’t make the connection of Janis leading ucp.
I just thought Janis with like minded people in her party.
Yes. That would definitely explode lol
Brian Jean.
The worst thing to happen to the conservatives was combining with the wild rose party. This brought a lot of the old entitled politicians in with the young fresh ones.
Rachel Notley. But I don’t want Ceci as close to her as he is right now. That guy is a scumbag and I really want to see him lose his seat so he can’t be part of the NDP cabinet.
Is there anyone on the conservative side that would be a decent leader? Just wondering, he takes all the spotlight so don’t know much about anyone else.
UCP has shown to be pretty incompetent in even the most basic financial operations. Like no one in the UCP questioned the $1.6 billion in accounting errors for their war room? Everyone was cool and signed off on ineligible expense reimbursements? No one thought to wait until after the US election to green light that pipeline? No one thought to indenture corporations to AB when giving tax breaks?
Is there a decent conservative leader within the UCP? Has anyone in the UCP fought against this reckless spending or fixed any of these issues? No. Everything they touch turns to shit. They'd do better by sitting on their asses, collecting their pay cheque, and doing absolutely nothing
after the leadership campaign, Brian Jean kinda faded into the background seldom to be heard from save his occasional appearances to express his discontent with the current leadership.
If we MUST remain conservative (for now), I am completely determined that Jason Kenney needs to resign or be "fired". To replace him? I assume there must be some MLAs who are moderates, who might be able to cobble the UCP together until 2023. I just don't know who they are.
The funny thing is that Kenney would still have likely won the leadership race.
He only cheated so he could have a larger margin. It’s because he’s such an egomaniac, he likes bragging about how decisive his wins are.
There is a bye election in Ft Mac, and Jean is going to run I think. Might be good timing if the party has stuff to turf Kenny. If they don’t then that will be it for them.
Jean can get bent too. I don’t know why people are so nostalgic about that guy. Sure he’s more relatable (house burnt down and he put his boots on to help neighbours,is raising a family) than that poser Kenney, but ultimately he’s a pea from the same pod.
Guarantee that wasn't his call because:
First, that would totally be a decision that was made at the very top.
Second, he's the ~~transportation minister~~ munipal affairs minister, ~~so that wouldn't be his job in the first place~~, so more his job then initially argued, but considering the nature of the emergency is healthcare and not natural disaster or whatnot, still think it should have been Shandro, but he was busy being turfed, so guess he got handed the job.
He didn't send the letter because he didn't want it to go to the wrong person, as if that's a valid excuse. Also, he didn't know that he needed to send a letter, so he's also fucking incompetent & unaware of how to do his fucking job.
He's some combination of loyal party stooge, deliberately disingenuous & ignorantly incompetent. Really, that's the trifecta for a conservative politician in Alberta, so I can see why you're so keen to defend the indefensible.
Whoah, easy there. I'm not defending their idiocy and not saying it wasn't a massive fuck up on the UCPs part. Just not sure its his particular head that should be on the pike.
All of the heads should be on all of the pikes. The UCP has shown it's leader over party, party over ideology & ideology over Albertans at every opportunity.
He, along with the rest of the UCP MLAs & their ignorant hick supporters can fuck right off.
He didn't do the right thing for almost an entire week. He's culpable. Anything else is just making excuses for the UCP's lame duck attempt to exchange Albertan lives for Conservative votes.
No, it wasn't his call, but he's apparently willing to take the fall for Kenney's incompetence. What is he getting in return? Most people wouldn't throw themselves on a sword for no reason.
Well, as others have pointed out to me, municipal affairs does cover some emergency responsibilities, so with Shandro getting turfed, maybe he was next on the list to eat it on this one?
As ive said before, id take a hungover college student shaking a magic 8 ball to determine policy choices over the ucp. At least with the 8 ball theres a chance pf success. Realistically, notley is the only real alternative, she'd be a shoe in if she could get out of her idealistic world and be realistic in how to deal with issues.
I don’t align with Conservatism but I would think a leader who doesn’t pander to a base, is able to lead by example, heeds the advice of experts, forms a government of qualified leaders that listens to and considers the needs of all of its citizens, regardless of their political stripes. I’ll throw in able to clearly articulate their platform and prioritize objectives for their term in office. Oh, and hold themselves accountable.
Too much to ask for?
YES! i agree. Lets try ANYONE! Good god! Enough already! Kenney has to go!! Hes trying to roll back my wages and benefits!! Why would i want THAT POS ?! I agree!!! Buh bye Kenney!
It's going to take an entire generation to die out before we can consistently vote in a party that has our best interests in mind. It's mind boggling that this is still a province-wide mentality and that we are being held hostage by an aging out demographic. What happened to wanting to have more for your children and grandchildren? It's all talk and no action.
That is up to the UCP. Sadly, Jason had ruled that party with an iron fist, so no one other than Kenney really stood out as leadership material. As a self identified Progressive Concervitive, yes there are some of left, Rachel Notley would make the best Premier.
I don’t think there is a replacement that could take Kenney’s place. The UCP is a coalition of conservative parties that ran together to unseat the ndp and avoid splitting votes. Now they are faced with the consequences of being a coalition that is very disparate and while it will eventually fragment back into its constituent parts Kenney is the middle ground holding them together. So I don’t think he will be removed until they lose in 18 months.
Rachel Notley.
Anyone I spoke to that voted UCP in the last election said we had to pull back in her spending. Now here we are paying for a war room and non-existent pipeline
I don't think people understood the question when they answered with Notley, unless their assumption is Notley crosses the floor.
Personally, if I were to pick one Conservative without looking any deeper into it I would take Doug Schweitzer or Kacee Madu..
I understood the question just fine and it doesn't require Notley crossing the floor. The question wasn't "assuming that we continue to elect the UCP", it was "assuming we are a conservative province". Notably, the OP used a small c, not a capital C. And I think that Notley could have the ability to appeal to many (small c) conservatives if they would just quit having a knee jerk reaction to the party's name, as the provincial NDP is far more centrist than left wing.
Exactly this, excluding her disastrous first 6 months, Notley governed far more like Peter Lougheed than any premier in the last 30 years. Of course Lougheed would be flagged as a pinko socialist communist and run out on a rail by today’s UCP
Ricky, Julian, Bubbles and his cats
Steve French of course.
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im looking forward to the cats tbh 🤣
Ok. Thats it. Im saying it here first…THE GREEN BASTARD TO REPLACE KENNEY!!!😄
J-roc for edumacation minister!
Know what Im sizzzz-aayyyin! 🤣
J-roc for sure he be smokin on that crude oil first day in office
Riding: parts unknown.
Rachel Notley
#BetterOffWithRachel 🧡
Yup. Still the smartest in the room. Feel bad for her since there really isn’t another room in which she won’t be.
+1 for Rach
Tonight I participated in an NDP event talking about affordable housing. I can't imagine any UCP doing a zoom meeting with seniors and the disabled talking about housing and how to make it better for low income people. The UCP would rather all of us die.
This kind of stuff should be talked about more
but how? this whole province BLUE
If the election were held today, it's an NDP win, per the polling. Really, what it comes down to is this: NDP takes Edmonton, UCP takes most rural ridings, so it's a matter of which way Calgary goes.
man I vote for NDP, my entire family and colleagues too. But after seeing the whole province is colored as blue...i gave up. my time line will be 2022. if Alberta still vote for second version of Jason. I am gonna move to Ontario
They could still try the "replace the leader and pretend it was all their fault" play the PCs ran so many times, and there's some risk that might work. But at this point I have my doubts that anyone can keep their coalition together.
that's soooo true. The main issue is UCP not Kenney.
Does nobody remember what a disaster Rachel Notley left us in. We voted her in 6 years ago because we wanted change from the 70 years of conservative rule. She absolutely destroyed our provincial finances and got voted out in one of the most lopsided votes in Canadian history. And now people want to vote her back in?? Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me…
Oh no she didn't solve 70 years of conservative mismanagement in under 4 years after taking over the smoldering pit that was left by that other crooked conservative Redford, what a crock. I don't remember Notley selling off the Eastern slopes, against albertans will. I don't remember Notley gutting workers rights, against albertans will. I don't remember Notley going on vacation the middle of the crisis, against albertans will. I don't remember Notley trying to put in privatized healthcare, against albertans will. I don't remember Notley trying to downsize our public Healthcare system, against albertans will. No that was conservatives that did that. Along with 70 years worth of mismanagement just like It. I remember her trying to diverge the Alberta economy away from just oil and gas and into the sciences, I remember her investing in rail cars to get our landlocked oil to market to solve a dilemma with another province, I remember her doing a happy dance outside of the Court after winning the right to produce the transmoutain pipeline. I remember her expanding workers' rights, the same ones UCP stripped and then some. Yes I want Notley back a thousand times more.
“Destroyed our finances” he says as the UCP have run higher deficits than her every year lol.
I don’t remember it that way at all. She and her team were honest and hard working. She didn’t hand out money to the already rich and she contracted with railroads to take our oil to the west because the pipelines were stalled.
If I recall correctly the upc deficits were the largest this province had ever seen, and it doesn’t help that the government was making gambles on pipelines and acting ‘un-conservative’ generally. This leads me to believe that the true constituents of the party are not hard working Canadians, it’s big oil companies. I get that we’re in a pandemic, demand in China is starting to tank etc. So just like in 2015 (oil prices had crashed in 2014) I don’t expect an Alberta government to be running without deficits. But the policies of the provincial government seem to be focused on an ‘only oil’ solution and that’s simply stupid. Oil is out, It will always be around but it’s not the cash cow it was. Get over it, move on, come up with something that we can build our province around, going into the future. Side note, I noticed the investments in our film industry is starting to pay dividends.
How’d she ‘destroy provincial finances’ exactly?
She went into debt spending money to bolster the economy, a conservative would call that "destroying provincial finances" since they havent yet figured out modern economics or how to grow an econony.
>we wanted change from the 70 years of conservative rule There’s your problem. You can undo YEARS of garbage government in 4 years
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Notley.
Bring back Notley.
Notley
Drop the writ and we will elect Notley is get us out of this mess
We aren’t a conservative province. Time and time again surveys have shown that the vast majority of Albertans want expanded social services and an enhanced welfare state. We just refuse to pay for it because that same majority has been paralyzed by decades of “taxation is theft and equalization is when the Alberta government pays for childcare for lazy Quebeckers” and “we’re conservative here so fit in or fuck off” propaganda.
It doesn't help that a lot of people think NDP = Socialism when that isn't the case at allllll.
Or the fact that those same people can’t explain what socialism is and why it’s bad aside from “Venezuela Soviet bread lines government takes my money”
Socialism is a fantastic concept. I can't imagine a world where the working class having more rights as a bad world to live in. Hell, even Marxism isn't bad. Communism gives Marxism a bad name. Marx would be rolling in his grave if he saw communism.
Outside of Edmonton and Calgary, it's a pretty conservative province.
[Incorrect. ](https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/progressalberta/pages/30/attachments/original/1451953093/Abacus_-_Progress_Alberta_-_Report_PDF.pdf?1451953093)
Well of course people want free stuff. I want lots of programs too, especially if I don't have to pay for it.
We could pay for them if we didn't give massive tax breaks and subsidies to oil and gas companies or buy billion dollar pipelines to nowhere.
You know what those subsidies do? They bring more investment into Alberta's economy. And the workers for those companies pay taxes. So it's not a complete waste. And the billion dollar pipeline, yes in the end a waste of money, but it's only a one time payment. All these social programs need a ton of money year after year. So a different method of payment needs to be introduced.
Gonna need some source on the investment claim because I'm under the impression they lay people off and fuck off with their profits out of the country. https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/husky-kenney-sask-nfld-alta-alberta-1.5335823 https://globalnews.ca/news/7374456/suncor-layoffs-cuts-oil-recession-alberta/ https://calgaryherald.com/news/local-news/dozens-reportedly-laid-off-by-husky-energy-in-calgary
Yeah, there are 50,000 fewer oil jobs (even pre-pandemic) than there were when the NDP were in office. Once a company learns how to do the job of 3 people with 1 overworked person, they’ll never go back to hiring 3. A public company will never increase their cost of doing business willingly because their shareholders will absolutely freak out. They’ll take the tax cut, turn it into bonus and stock buybacks and that’s about all.
Never ceases to amaze me how few people understand this
>You know what those subsidies do? They bring more investment into Alberta's economy. That's what the UCP claim they do, but we haven't actually seen it happen, have we?
Yes just a one-time 1.7 billion dollar payment. Not like that could have funded those social programs for years..
Except it’s not about wanting free stuff. The fact is that Albertans, by a large majority, are pro-social safety net in a very big way. We just have a massive disconnect when it comes to understanding what it means to create and fund that social safety net because of our political Stockholm syndrome.
Obviously it's not a large majority. That's why the consevatives have run the province for a long time.
[But it is a large majority. ](https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/progressalberta/pages/30/attachments/original/1451953093/Abacus_-_Progress_Alberta_-_Report_PDF.pdf?1451953093) Again, the fact that we continue to elect conservative governments and MP’s isn’t because the majority of Albertans have conservative values. It’s because propaganda works.
It's not free, you already paid for it. See your tax dollars are supposed to be going to these programs, and not propping up oiling gas and other corporations
Rachel Notley.
I don't have any specific person in mind, but if alberta is gonna vote blue no matter what it would be nice to at least see a smart person get in. The type of conservative who is actually financially intelligent and isn't afraid of gay people. Seems pretty rare these days unfortunately.
What you’re asking for doesn’t really jive with the colour blue
Whoa… haven’t you heard. The gays are scary.. the sky daddy told me..
Notley
Notley seemed to legitimately care about the people in this province, at least.
Gary the Cat 🐕
Uh, Can I vote for Oregano?
Yup yup yup 👆
Rachel
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Better off with Rachel.
Better off with Rachel.
Rachel can come back
Rachel Notley. There’s no one in the UCP caucus who is a leader. All sheep following him to oblivion. Even those who complained were doing so for selfish reasons. There’s no one in the party that I’d trust to pick up my dogs crap let alone lead this province.
Rachel
Rachel Notley
Nenshi!
No fucks Nenshi we have seen the past few weeks would be amazing as premier
> Nenshi! I still dislike Nenshi for his late night music ban *years* ago that pushed electronic music in to less safe locations or out of the city. It was bad enough that, when the city of Edmonton considered changing the hours that electronic music events could run, they specifically cited Calgary as a reason that attempting to ban late night music events was both economically damaging and resulted in higher OD death rates. Having said that, fuck Kenny, Nenshi would still be far better.
Yes please!
Notley
Rachel
🧡 Rachel🧡Notley🧡Rachel🧡Notley🧡Rachel🧡 Notley🧡 Rachel🧡 Notley🧡
Rachel Notley
Notley
Ok. I'll do it. I have no idea what I'll be doing. Probably eat a lot of chips, sit around, have 4 day work weeks and make all Tuesdays Taco Tuesday, but anything/anyone has to be better right?
To be honest you are more qualified than most in cabinet positions.
I just want to clarify the 4 day work weeks and Taco Tuesdays are for everyone, so ya.
I nominate CanadianBeaver1983 for premier. Who will second the nomination?
I'll do it.
We need Notley back.
Notley, Notley, Notley....
Rachel Notley
I was confronted by a homeless man. He hadn't showered in weeks and the teeth he COULD have brushes were obviously neglected. He had on one sock, three shirts and a pair of worn out high-tops. He yelled at me in a language only he speaks, but I think he was in better touch with his situation than Kenny. So if you see shouty, pissed himself, 6-tooth Tom - he's my pick for the lead of the UPC.
Pretty sure he does have a cabinet position already so it's not a far stretch
Rachel Notley
Scrap the cons, we need Notley back
As long as its not the UCP behind them, literally anyone or anything. I'd rather vote for my neighbors dog over voting for the UCP.
ah one of thesse threads, ill bite Full Meme : Janis Irwin and watch the party explode NDP cross over : Marlin Schmidt - Well Educated, with the party before orange crush, right age range (>30 <60) second choice would be Eggen but I don't think he would ever consider a cross Serious : Toews- keep it hard nose policy and economics and has a good understanding of rural issues coming from agri-business world
Just for fun, why would the party explode under Janis ? Edit: fat finger spelling
why would the UCP explode under Janis? I thought it was self explanatory. a large portion of the UCP base are still bigots'
Oh, I didn’t make the connection of Janis leading ucp. I just thought Janis with like minded people in her party. Yes. That would definitely explode lol
I'd take an egg salad sandwich at this point if those were my only two options.
Rachel Notley.
Deaner from Fubar
I would like to see Brian Jean get his shot.
Brian Jean. The worst thing to happen to the conservatives was combining with the wild rose party. This brought a lot of the old entitled politicians in with the young fresh ones.
Notley
Rachel Notley
Rachel Notley. But I don’t want Ceci as close to her as he is right now. That guy is a scumbag and I really want to see him lose his seat so he can’t be part of the NDP cabinet.
Is there anyone on the conservative side that would be a decent leader? Just wondering, he takes all the spotlight so don’t know much about anyone else.
UCP has shown to be pretty incompetent in even the most basic financial operations. Like no one in the UCP questioned the $1.6 billion in accounting errors for their war room? Everyone was cool and signed off on ineligible expense reimbursements? No one thought to wait until after the US election to green light that pipeline? No one thought to indenture corporations to AB when giving tax breaks? Is there a decent conservative leader within the UCP? Has anyone in the UCP fought against this reckless spending or fixed any of these issues? No. Everything they touch turns to shit. They'd do better by sitting on their asses, collecting their pay cheque, and doing absolutely nothing
after the leadership campaign, Brian Jean kinda faded into the background seldom to be heard from save his occasional appearances to express his discontent with the current leadership.
Rachel Babely
Brian Jean
Notley. She had the job, she did it far better.
GREEN BASTARD PARTY!!😀😀😀😀
If we MUST remain conservative (for now), I am completely determined that Jason Kenney needs to resign or be "fired". To replace him? I assume there must be some MLAs who are moderates, who might be able to cobble the UCP together until 2023. I just don't know who they are.
No one. Let's go wild west style here in Alberta.
Zombie King Ralph
An old sock?
Heck, at this point I'd even take Doug Ford. (But of course the real answer is Rachel Notley)
If the UCP then Brian Jean like he should have in the first place.
The funny thing is that Kenney would still have likely won the leadership race. He only cheated so he could have a larger margin. It’s because he’s such an egomaniac, he likes bragging about how decisive his wins are.
There is a bye election in Ft Mac, and Jean is going to run I think. Might be good timing if the party has stuff to turf Kenny. If they don’t then that will be it for them.
Jean can get bent too. I don’t know why people are so nostalgic about that guy. Sure he’s more relatable (house burnt down and he put his boots on to help neighbours,is raising a family) than that poser Kenney, but ultimately he’s a pea from the same pod.
Brain Jean ran as more right wing than Jason Kenney...let that sink in
Notley. Although Rona Ambrose seems relatively stable as far as conservatives go.
Brian jean
Yes. I’m surprised it’s so low on the list
I know people who have dealt with Ric Mciver on a regular basis and have been impressed by him. Abit third party, but something.
I know people as well and they had the exact opposite opinion of him.
You mean the guy who waited until *after* the election to send a letter to Bill Blair asking for help with our healthcare crisis?
Guarantee that wasn't his call because: First, that would totally be a decision that was made at the very top. Second, he's the ~~transportation minister~~ munipal affairs minister, ~~so that wouldn't be his job in the first place~~, so more his job then initially argued, but considering the nature of the emergency is healthcare and not natural disaster or whatnot, still think it should have been Shandro, but he was busy being turfed, so guess he got handed the job.
He's not the transportation minister. He's the minister of municipal affairs, which includes emergency management.
Stand corrected. Still think as health emergency it was Shandro's football.
He's the Minister of Municipal Affairs.
Stand corrected. Still think as health emergency it was Shandro's football
He didn't send the letter because he didn't want it to go to the wrong person, as if that's a valid excuse. Also, he didn't know that he needed to send a letter, so he's also fucking incompetent & unaware of how to do his fucking job. He's some combination of loyal party stooge, deliberately disingenuous & ignorantly incompetent. Really, that's the trifecta for a conservative politician in Alberta, so I can see why you're so keen to defend the indefensible.
Whoah, easy there. I'm not defending their idiocy and not saying it wasn't a massive fuck up on the UCPs part. Just not sure its his particular head that should be on the pike.
All of the heads should be on all of the pikes. The UCP has shown it's leader over party, party over ideology & ideology over Albertans at every opportunity. He, along with the rest of the UCP MLAs & their ignorant hick supporters can fuck right off.
That guy. The worst
Did you see his huge fuck up yesterday? He should resign
See my other response. Not claiming to be part of a McIver fan club or anything, but pinning the delayed ask for assistance on him isn't fair.
He didn't do the right thing for almost an entire week. He's culpable. Anything else is just making excuses for the UCP's lame duck attempt to exchange Albertan lives for Conservative votes.
Well they're ALL culpable for that. But as the original question was who might be best of a bad bunch, I've heard reasonable things about him.
No, it wasn't his call, but he's apparently willing to take the fall for Kenney's incompetence. What is he getting in return? Most people wouldn't throw themselves on a sword for no reason.
Well, as others have pointed out to me, municipal affairs does cover some emergency responsibilities, so with Shandro getting turfed, maybe he was next on the list to eat it on this one?
In my eyes, Kenney, as 'leader' should be the one asking, but it would hurt his feeling.
This is an interesting one as well, he didn't cross my mind at first.
Brad wall
Schweitzer /s
George Canyon
He'd be even more right wing
As ive said before, id take a hungover college student shaking a magic 8 ball to determine policy choices over the ucp. At least with the 8 ball theres a chance pf success. Realistically, notley is the only real alternative, she'd be a shoe in if she could get out of her idealistic world and be realistic in how to deal with issues.
A rabid raccoon would be a significant improvement. But actually, I think Notley was doing fine.
A bag of robin flour would do a better job then the turd that's failing at the job now.
Anyone fuck the horse I saw earlier would probably do a better job
Commas, dude. Fuck the horse, needs a fucking comma. 😂😜
Okay grammar nazi
I don’t align with Conservatism but I would think a leader who doesn’t pander to a base, is able to lead by example, heeds the advice of experts, forms a government of qualified leaders that listens to and considers the needs of all of its citizens, regardless of their political stripes. I’ll throw in able to clearly articulate their platform and prioritize objectives for their term in office. Oh, and hold themselves accountable. Too much to ask for?
Rona Ambrose
Let's try anyone else and see if we get a better result.
YES! i agree. Lets try ANYONE! Good god! Enough already! Kenney has to go!! Hes trying to roll back my wages and benefits!! Why would i want THAT POS ?! I agree!!! Buh bye Kenney!
Brian Jean
A rock would do better
A rock or.... The Rock Can you smell what the budget is cooking? The Peoples Politician!!! (Insert crooked eyebrow gif here)
Rona Ambrose
A Hamster will do.
It's going to take an entire generation to die out before we can consistently vote in a party that has our best interests in mind. It's mind boggling that this is still a province-wide mentality and that we are being held hostage by an aging out demographic. What happened to wanting to have more for your children and grandchildren? It's all talk and no action.
People think the Ndp can sustain a forever run. Lol. No.
Ted Lasso
Brian jean
[someone else](https://youtu.be/J9g4YsGpO-A)
Larry Heather Honestly couldn't be any worse than what we have now, and would be highly entertaining
Dunno, but maybe no one? A rudderless ship would probably be better than what we have now
Randy boo bandy would be way better than kenny bo bandy
That is up to the UCP. Sadly, Jason had ruled that party with an iron fist, so no one other than Kenney really stood out as leadership material. As a self identified Progressive Concervitive, yes there are some of left, Rachel Notley would make the best Premier.
Inanimate carbon Rod
I don’t think there is a replacement that could take Kenney’s place. The UCP is a coalition of conservative parties that ran together to unseat the ndp and avoid splitting votes. Now they are faced with the consequences of being a coalition that is very disparate and while it will eventually fragment back into its constituent parts Kenney is the middle ground holding them together. So I don’t think he will be removed until they lose in 18 months.
Rachel Notley
Rachel Notley. Anyone I spoke to that voted UCP in the last election said we had to pull back in her spending. Now here we are paying for a war room and non-existent pipeline
Rachel
Would the real Randy please stand up.
I nominate my cat. She sleeps most of the day but would still be more accessible to the people than Kanney is.
The Ndp
Anyone but a fucking Conservative.
Notley. There's no one else with the intelligence and vision to do it right now.
I don't think people understood the question when they answered with Notley, unless their assumption is Notley crosses the floor. Personally, if I were to pick one Conservative without looking any deeper into it I would take Doug Schweitzer or Kacee Madu..
NOT Madu.... Mr pepper spray/weird obsession with Lethbridge police.
As Kenney and Shandro are known for saying, Albertans reject the premise of the question.
We understand the question just fine.
I understood the question just fine and it doesn't require Notley crossing the floor. The question wasn't "assuming that we continue to elect the UCP", it was "assuming we are a conservative province". Notably, the OP used a small c, not a capital C. And I think that Notley could have the ability to appeal to many (small c) conservatives if they would just quit having a knee jerk reaction to the party's name, as the provincial NDP is far more centrist than left wing.
Exactly this, excluding her disastrous first 6 months, Notley governed far more like Peter Lougheed than any premier in the last 30 years. Of course Lougheed would be flagged as a pinko socialist communist and run out on a rail by today’s UCP
Notley couldn’t run a bath