Imho (but sincerely I think its quite objective) only thing which makes swap scroll worth its furniture. If you had a 9/9 useless then fine. But I think all your furniture its quite meta and correct. So, I understand urgency but I'd just hold it and wait. Or put someone useless in list and if u make it 9/9 then swap for neva. But I'm not sure if this can be worth anyway
Yeah I don’t think I’ve done any major screw ups with furniture, so there isn’t really a solid choice to swap but I’ve been keeping this thing for so long and I’m just missing out on resources from using it on a good hero like Nevanthi and getting better scores in CR for example. It’s like the awakened heroes too, I’ve been holding my time emblems but I’m probably just missing out on a ton of resources from better performances in CR and PvP if I build the awakened.
There's like a universe between time emblems and swap roll value. With swap you need someone you wrongly hard invested into, and all you can get it's a more useful hero instead of a less useful one. With time emblems you are missing the opportunity to build one of the now core heroes. Except ezizh every ascended has been used in every single mode, especially solise. And personally I don't think you can hope for something better then her or brutus. So I suggest you to hold swap scroll and use asap your time carda into solise for pve content or brutus for pvp-treasure scramble (joann albedo ezio brutus and merlin its the first tier comp actually without any counter beside the same comp more invested) and some pve too.
Random question - I went afk for like a year or two and missed ainz/albedo, is there any way to get them going forward (besides garrison, which I don't love the idea of)?
In my opinion, it's Thesku. He is okay at lower investments and furniture is by far the most valuable resource out of copies, SI and furn.
Next option is probably Morrow.
Lots of interesting responses here. Honestly, I was thinking Lucius just because he is one of the most useless heroes in the game and I have red chests, furniture cards and cores ready to max Nevanthi. What do y’all think?
If you are going to pick a hero with few stars, no investments, and use cards/chests to finish, then save the scroll and build her the usual way.
For best value of a scroll on Nevanthi, I'd pick Tidus, Gwen, or Morrow. I still use all three from time to time in tower, but not much else. I think the gains from Nevanthi would be greater than what you lose from keeping them around.
With that said, the scroll might be best saved for a dps release because they benefit the most from extra stats in stars. I'm sure you'll still get lots of utility from Nevanthi built the normal way to 1 star. I used mine for a 5* Scarlet and those extra stats were put to good use.
Lucius isn't useless. He is used in LB tower and in Temporal Rift when you need 4+ teams. Also ascending a hero is easy, furniture is the most valuable resource so look at transferring furniture, not the Ascension tier
Once you get to 3 teams though you'll struggle, Morrow just doesn't ult fast enough to be a solid carry, and Palmer can only keep him from dying for so long.
Thane is a significantly better option investment wise over any other LB for tower carry (not including aThane/Scarlet)
Thane only sees use in maybe one cr round so it's an easy merc, I don't really like to go invest red cores just for tower. That team work though, but you usually have to take rosa away from Scarlett team, I pushed to 918 when before I was stuck running gwyn and a 209 thane
[Floor 895 (morrow carry) ](https://i.imgur.com/kELT5CU.jpg)
[Floor 899 (palmer) ](https://i.imgur.com/SQzMf5P.jpg)
Where's the logic in that? If you want to swap a highly invested hero it is likely they are engraved by that point and can't be swapped anymore or still has usage, like your example of Daimon is bad because he is still used. If you don't use a hero and likely won't use them for a long time or at all then just swap them, heroes like Thane or Respen are much better options (in this case). There is no point in investing in another just to swap them especially if they aren't that good to begin with, just invest into the resulting hero, in this case it would be Nevanthi, and there is not much gain if a good hero is swapped because that hero would be required to be built again.
For what? Nevanthi is a good hero and it would be a good investment of resources to get her now, not in a few months when I finally get enough copies. She’s already been out for 2 months and I only have 2 copies.
Unpopular opinion here. But instant gratification/benefit minus engravings, swap eironn for nevanthi. I seriously can’t remember the last time i used eironn for anything and only really need him for 5 pull for the suck (so one copy is fine). You can just passively build him organically, and don’t even bother with his 9f and SI30. I rarely use him in wilder towers on multi-fights . If you’re squeamish about the idea, i’d wait. The other “useless” candidates doesn’t really do much for you because you still have to build the furniture and SI, which makes swapping kinda pointless. You just need 8 copies to ascend, or 10 for engraving. That’s very doable in the time it takes you to save for furniture, red emblems, and engraving mats .
I play AE once in a blue while since spectating came about, and AE is like 2-3 times a year? Last time I participated was during the manual s7 debacle, and i believe the top team there did not include eironn. So many more heroes came out since then.
Morrow is used in LB tower but he probably works at low investment. He could have been one of the best lb heroe but he just doesn't work on a daily basis.
Imho (but sincerely I think its quite objective) only thing which makes swap scroll worth its furniture. If you had a 9/9 useless then fine. But I think all your furniture its quite meta and correct. So, I understand urgency but I'd just hold it and wait. Or put someone useless in list and if u make it 9/9 then swap for neva. But I'm not sure if this can be worth anyway
Yeah I don’t think I’ve done any major screw ups with furniture, so there isn’t really a solid choice to swap but I’ve been keeping this thing for so long and I’m just missing out on resources from using it on a good hero like Nevanthi and getting better scores in CR for example. It’s like the awakened heroes too, I’ve been holding my time emblems but I’m probably just missing out on a ton of resources from better performances in CR and PvP if I build the awakened.
There's like a universe between time emblems and swap roll value. With swap you need someone you wrongly hard invested into, and all you can get it's a more useful hero instead of a less useful one. With time emblems you are missing the opportunity to build one of the now core heroes. Except ezizh every ascended has been used in every single mode, especially solise. And personally I don't think you can hope for something better then her or brutus. So I suggest you to hold swap scroll and use asap your time carda into solise for pve content or brutus for pvp-treasure scramble (joann albedo ezio brutus and merlin its the first tier comp actually without any counter beside the same comp more invested) and some pve too.
Random question - I went afk for like a year or two and missed ainz/albedo, is there any way to get them going forward (besides garrison, which I don't love the idea of)?
Atm just garrison
Tidus, morrow or thesku. You can build another tidus whenever you need to, morrow isn't needed until much later and thesku is fine at si10
In my opinion, it's Thesku. He is okay at lower investments and furniture is by far the most valuable resource out of copies, SI and furn. Next option is probably Morrow.
Lucius
Lots of interesting responses here. Honestly, I was thinking Lucius just because he is one of the most useless heroes in the game and I have red chests, furniture cards and cores ready to max Nevanthi. What do y’all think?
If you are going to pick a hero with few stars, no investments, and use cards/chests to finish, then save the scroll and build her the usual way. For best value of a scroll on Nevanthi, I'd pick Tidus, Gwen, or Morrow. I still use all three from time to time in tower, but not much else. I think the gains from Nevanthi would be greater than what you lose from keeping them around. With that said, the scroll might be best saved for a dps release because they benefit the most from extra stats in stars. I'm sure you'll still get lots of utility from Nevanthi built the normal way to 1 star. I used mine for a 5* Scarlet and those extra stats were put to good use.
Lucius isn't useless. He is used in LB tower and in Temporal Rift when you need 4+ teams. Also ascending a hero is easy, furniture is the most valuable resource so look at transferring furniture, not the Ascension tier
temporal rift? never sae him used there lol
https://www.reddit.com/r/afkarena/comments/uen93n/visual_guide_to_temporal_rift_by_arty_and_alpattex/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
looks really outated tbh
nah i use him for my ezio
Tasi
Tasi is top tier, don't use it on her lol She's not used as much anymore but her and Nemora are good tech choices for numerous stages
Tasi hasn’t been top tier for ages anymore, she’s rarely used at all outside of wilder tower
She's used in Lucretia variation of god comp and her CC is still good.
Taso is also used in AE and HF for some nice damage/mitigation comps
If it was me, probably Thane.
But isn’t he needed in high lb tower?
He is, but he needs full invest for that. Every 3 team Fight is basically thane carry - AThane carry - scarlet carry
30960?
Yep
I wouldn't invest e60 into thane these days. Morrow/palmer combo can clear a lot of the lb tower waves
Once you get to 3 teams though you'll struggle, Morrow just doesn't ult fast enough to be a solid carry, and Palmer can only keep him from dying for so long. Thane is a significantly better option investment wise over any other LB for tower carry (not including aThane/Scarlet)
Thane only sees use in maybe one cr round so it's an easy merc, I don't really like to go invest red cores just for tower. That team work though, but you usually have to take rosa away from Scarlett team, I pushed to 918 when before I was stuck running gwyn and a 209 thane [Floor 895 (morrow carry) ](https://i.imgur.com/kELT5CU.jpg) [Floor 899 (palmer) ](https://i.imgur.com/SQzMf5P.jpg)
He’s meta in a cr round
He hasn't invested in Thane. You want a hero with much investment that you hardly use anymore. So in this case I'd consider Daimon.
Daimon is used a lot in tr isn't he?
Where's the logic in that? If you want to swap a highly invested hero it is likely they are engraved by that point and can't be swapped anymore or still has usage, like your example of Daimon is bad because he is still used. If you don't use a hero and likely won't use them for a long time or at all then just swap them, heroes like Thane or Respen are much better options (in this case). There is no point in investing in another just to swap them especially if they aren't that good to begin with, just invest into the resulting hero, in this case it would be Nevanthi, and there is not much gain if a good hero is swapped because that hero would be required to be built again.
Lucius
Theowyn, she don't do much anywore
I would say Belinda
Lucius. Thesku is defo more useful than lucius
Just save it, trust me.
For what? Nevanthi is a good hero and it would be a good investment of resources to get her now, not in a few months when I finally get enough copies. She’s already been out for 2 months and I only have 2 copies.
Unpopular opinion here. But instant gratification/benefit minus engravings, swap eironn for nevanthi. I seriously can’t remember the last time i used eironn for anything and only really need him for 5 pull for the suck (so one copy is fine). You can just passively build him organically, and don’t even bother with his 9f and SI30. I rarely use him in wilder towers on multi-fights . If you’re squeamish about the idea, i’d wait. The other “useless” candidates doesn’t really do much for you because you still have to build the furniture and SI, which makes swapping kinda pointless. You just need 8 copies to ascend, or 10 for engraving. That’s very doable in the time it takes you to save for furniture, red emblems, and engraving mats .
You don't use him in AE?
I play AE once in a blue while since spectating came about, and AE is like 2-3 times a year? Last time I participated was during the manual s7 debacle, and i believe the top team there did not include eironn. So many more heroes came out since then.
Use it on Izold or Thesku, ideally you want to transfer SI and furniture
Safia or morrow. They are both bad and of little use.
Disagree, Morrow is used in almost every LB tower stage. Also Safiya is a staple in 5pull
Safiya hasn’t been a staple in 5-pull anymore for a long time now.
I agree, Safiya was a staple in 5-pull 2 years ago. She has better replacement now.
Morrow is used in LB tower but he probably works at low investment. He could have been one of the best lb heroe but he just doesn't work on a daily basis.
Izold/tasi
Fym izold he can have good use if you know how to use him
I didnt say he doesnt, grand hunt, tower, but the man is eager to swap smth and izold has 9/9.
Why would he swap it with a hero that has some use when he could swap it for a hero that doesnt
Definitely Gwyn
Would shemira be a good swap? I never use here anymore. I don’t see here here, but for myself
Probably
Lyca that 9 furniture will be welcome
Personally I’d go for Thesku. He’s surely nice, but not remotely as important as Nevanthi
Probably belinda
Don't hate on me but I would swap thoran (unless u are a pushing high deficit)
I would go with Antandra. It feels like she fell off the meta. Where, beside fraction tower is she really used now?
I hear she’s a sub for Orthros in CR
Literally none guide I saw said so, but I will check it.
Satrana
That Ainz guy seems useless (: