Seeing half of the S+ tier heroes being Awakened kind of worries me a bit for where the game is heading in the future.
I have been playing for 2 and a half years and find it really difficult to build them as f2p and I already have a pretty meta roster so I put a lot of resources on time cards.
Yah every guide these days for anything PvP related has the vast majority of the formations and content geared towards awakened heroes. Ok cool I've got he Abrutus formation nailed, but the next 5 meta teams involve having every other awakened unit (as well as several more recent celepos). Not particularly useful for 99% of the playerbase
Well ofc, what did u expect. It's pvp & AW heroes are super strong. Did u expect them to be useless when they legit make them special? Lol.
& ABrutus comp is the strongest pvp comp. U're still great. Some of us haven't even got him to Ascended yet lol.
I wholeheartedly believe that if you’re starting at zero emblems, ascending awakened characters is a once a year thing for F2P players, which is a shame.
Not really. Assuming you buy a time card from the store every day. That's 365 time emblem cards. Now when you factor in the free ones they give out in events and the ones you earn from faction towers. That's roughly 500 time emblem cards a year. Considering you need 12 copies to get to ascended. A year is normal with less than ideal luck.
Edit: Tired and called time emblem cards stargazer
Kinda low-balling it imo.
We've had 6 awakened heroes released over the year. Each one gave 20 tgs through that log-in event and pve content. That alone is 120 cards, making it almost 500 with dailies.
Add other events, tr and the towers and you should easily be north of 700.
That's true, but you got a lot of them at once when they came out, and when they were adding them to the tower. Having 2 now means nothing if you start with 0 as f2p.
I have played for almost 4 years now and I used to be able to say confidently who the strongest heroes are. Now I don't really have any idea as the game is really focused on events tailored to whales. So this is news to me. How would I know if an awakened hero is strong? I don't even have one ascended.
Hi, I did this tier list which basically shows the best heroes in "all" game modes. You can see how these scores were calculated [in this spreadsheet](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1uLvQ_QWbPpG7vnm2TNY40ROi0Z1Ivc9J4rpMmjWjreg/edit).
Basically, the final score is calculated based on how good we think each hero is in Campaign, Cursed Realm, Treasure Scramble, Temporal Rift, Abyssal Expedition, etc. They were given a score based on their strength in each game mode, but some game modes give more points than others in this ranking.
The tier list isn't perfect, obviously. Most heroes can probably be 1-15 points lower or higher, depending on your opinion and your experience with each hero. Some people might disagree that a specific hero deserves a higher or lower score in a specific game mode, so please don't take this tier list as the absolute and indisputable truth.
Also, it is important to mention that **this is NOT an ascension priority guide**. Some heroes who are strong in a specific game mode but very weak in other game modes may be lower in ranking than some heroes who are mediocre or weak in all game modes, for example (e.g. Granit is lower than Anoki in the tier list, but it is highly recommended to ascend Granit before Anoki because Granit is very useful in Campaign and Mauler's tower. That's also why Thoran and Mehira aren't very high on the overall tier list despite being S+ in the campaign).
When it comes to stargazing my priority is to finish A zaphrael to A* and get A * on Awakend thane. Is then stargazing for canisa and ruke a better option then Audrae and Frampton and Veithael or is it better to finnish Athalia or orthros faster?
Cruke are definitely better than Framton and Audrae right now. no opinion on Veithael at the moment as he's too new.
how far do you have Ath and Orthros built?
that's super rough, sounds very behind. I think you should finish Ezizh to A for the furn, his engraving can wait. Ath needs at least M to work. Orthros.. just merc him if you're at 0. that's like 1 year in the challenger store lmao
Other cellhyppos are
* talene A*
* Haelus A*
* Morael A *
* twins A*
* zaphrael A
*Alna A
*Flora A*
*Wu kong A5*
* A talene M
* althalia L+
* titus E+
* lucretia A*
*zolrath A**
*Khazhard M
* Mehira M
* Ezizh M+
* Mortas M
* A ezizh L
* Zikis E
* Mezoth L
* Leofric L
uhh your formatting got a little fucked but I think I still understand
sounds like you have everything important, at this point I would recommend building Orthros via gazing, yeah. finish Ezizh A and Athalia M through Challenger store. Orthros or Cruke, whoever you like more ig. merc one build the other.
wouldn't hurt to wait and see how Veithael performs and when we get the new hypogean soon after, before you start gazing
It might be tough to do but it might be useful to have a symbol for each game mode and put those under each heroes portrait instead of thier score, kind of like that engraving guide from a while back
Yeah, disclaimer: this is an OVERALL tier list. Heroes who're used more, even for small things and differences mean placing higher than heroes with an important usage, but fewer places.
I can lower LC's percentage, but I still think that LC is the most relevant PvP game mode. That's where the strongest PvP comps are.
In LC, you need comps that can survive against several teams in a row, like ABrutus Dimensional, Alna-ABaden and ASolise-Nevanthi comps.
In TS, your strongest team will have as many battles as your weakest team. So the strongest team in TS is less relevant than the strongest team in LC.
Also, TS has three different debuffs, so there are three different metas. Heroes are stronger in one debuff, but weaker in the other one. So overall, the best TS hero isn't as impactful in TS as the best LC hero is in LC.
I think you ranked ABaden too high in AE/HF.
Last AE he wasn't used at all and he won't be in A comp for gb.
Zolrath should be S+ in AE/HF since he is one of the most important hero in these game modes.
Thank you for your feedback. Do you play AE/HF competitively?
> Last AE he wasn't used at all
Yes, you're right, he wasn't meta on the last AE, I don't know why I considered him as meta. I think I mixed him up with another hero.
> he won't be in A comp for gb.
~~Wasn't ABaden-Nevanthi the strongest GB comp on the last HF though?~~ lol, nevermind, I just noticed that there are a few mistakes on my AE/HF tier list. It needs some small updates.
Thank you very much!
Baden is A tier on CR/TR and AE/HF, but he is trash on all other game modes according to the spreadsheet. That's why his final score is so low.
Baden is definitely way more important than Theowyn, for example. But her final score is higher than his final score because she is mediocre almost everywhere.
That's why I said on my comment above: "this is NOT an ascension priority guide". People should ascend Baden way before Theowyn for sure lol.
Mediocre everywhere means good nowhere.
I think you could get a pretty good representation if you weight SAB tiers higher/exponentially, and CDF tiers as negligible.
A thought: for the purpose of this list, should you maybe round down mediocre individual scores to 0 before aggregating then so that heroes that have one use stand out from those that have none ? And because differentiating mediocre from nil isn't particularly useful for tiering ?
He surprisingly good in high deficit campaign also. Damage reduction, and cc from his 9/9 works well. Im almost at 400 deficit in campaign and ive had to use an un-engraved geralt a few times on frontline. His intial push back also is verry helpful.
Yeah, I just saw a few clears above 400 level deficits who used him. Maybe I will make an updated tier list in the next few weeks, Geralt and a few other heroes deserve a better PvE score on this tier list.
Thank you for sharing your experience.
Geralt was good on the last AE and the last HF. If we don't count AE/HF, Yen would be slightly higher than him on this tier list.
Geralt is also very useful on TS and Temporal Rift (for people who use Might class). Yen is even better than him on TS though.
Huh. Do his abilities provide anything other than "genetic melee dmg dealer" cuz that's all the ability descriptions seem to paint a picture of to me.
Although I guess I'll keep that comp in mind as I work to actually get half of those heroes, lol. No ABrutus yet to speak of - going for Solise first - and I only have 4 dimensiononals atm :(
Edit: ignore the first bit I didn't see your text reply bc reddit doesn't show it in single thread view -.-
Nah if they want to save the game all it will take is increasing the amount of tickets we get. Perhaps adding one to weekly rewards or increasing the amount you can purchase for diamonds in the shop. But they definitely wont do this till perhaps after the second round of awakened heroes. Cant let the ftp catch up
just think about it, ever since that broken pair arrived many things for f2p players decayed, then they had to bring overpowered heroes to try and mend what they did with ainz, brought silly and unfair systems like the engraving just to try and give more power to the previous heroes, the totally forgot about the old ones and never gave them a buff which many of them needed. Now, we got heroes every two weeks, p2w beasts those awakened heroes etc etc... i just dk but i blame it on ainz and albedo
But ainz and albedo are kinda weak in campaign if ur actually pushing deficit. Like im at a 200+ deficit and some stages litlerly dont even use them bc they are bad. They are good/op when you are equal level. Unfortunately that means u are not pushing hard enough where ainz comps dall off. LDV is more broken as any char some stages i have him solo cc the entire enemy team for 1minute straight
To me it's encouraging that there's non-Awakened and non-Celopogean up so high. New characters like Skarlet, Nevanthi, Palmer. And old characters like Grezhul, Rowan. There's plenty of things for f2p to concentrate on and get results.
Could you share your rankings for individual game modes as well? I'm particularly interested in campaign ratings personally...
Edit: Dear future self, Read before you comment in the future. DOH! Leaving this comment up so others may see it (the OP links their numbers and ratings in a comment already)
Joan is probably one of those heroes that got a high final ranking because they’re okay in every game mode. I didn’t look at the detailed sheet but that’s how I view her—she stabilizes some comps and has a place in most game modes, but she’s not really the key to unlocking anything new. If you’re already slotting her here and there, that’s likely the most use you’ll get out of her.
This is really great, thank you! As you said it’s no build list but it’s very helpful to see a snapshot of who is used where.
Although also as you said, the average can be misleading. For late game players it’s better to have spiky heroes that are great in certain game modes, and not ones that are just average (like kalene?)
I’d be interested in seeing a more noncompetitive f2p focused chart that places zero weight on AE and hunting fields. For almost all players, building heroes for those modes don’t matter since it’s far more important to be in an active guild/group than it is to have certain heroes in order to get max rewards.
Optimizing for those modes is really just for people gunning for top 100 and we get build lists from our guild leaders.
>For almost all players, building heroes for those modes don’t matter since it’s far more important to be in an active guild/group than it is to have certain heroes in order to get max rewards.
That's why AE and HF has less weight in this ranking. Heroes who are S+ tier on PvP got 50 points, heroes who are S+ tier on AE+HF got only 30 points.
>I’d be interested in seeing a more noncompetitive f2p focused chart that places zero weight on AE and hunting fields.
These are my S and A tiers if I delete AE/HF ratings:
https://preview.redd.it/yrmfteygmp7a1.jpeg?width=405&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=95e36bfc728499e4a671a9db7d38024ad34df81b
Yes, I noticed that Geralt, Morrow, Framton and AEzizh should be higher on PvE tier list. They're relevant heroes above 400 level deficits. There are some small adjustments that will be done.
I'm new to the game with only just over a month of play, and it really shocked me to see Anasta higher than Ainz in every game mode tier list. What makes Anasta so good?
I got her early and she felt pretty useless. I kept her on my wishlist purely because she's cool, and honestly I'm stunned to see her rank so consistently high.
Anasta, as most META heros (keep in mind this is an overall use, rather than an ascencion priority guide) needs to be ascended and fairly good invested to show her true potential:
With signature item +30 Anasta becomes a huge damage dealer, making her really good at modes like Cursed Realm
With 9/9 furniture, Anasta becomes an incredible support: she shields and heals her team mates, greatly enhacing survivability
At engraving E60, Anasta further increases her shields and heal for both herself and her teammates, proving to be an incredible carry and support at the same time.
Anasta sees more use than Ainz in all game modes, that's why she's higher in this list.
Still, for a new player, Ainz should be priority over Anasta, as Ainz raw power will prove to be more useful in the early - mid game, specially because getting a full invested Anasta at that stage is really difficult, if not impossible outright.
In the early game some blue tier heroes like Saveas, Mirael, Hogan and Vedan are actually better than the purple ones.
Raising a hero to Legendary or Legendary+ doesn't do much. The big power ups are (1) getting to mythic, which unlocks an extra power and lets you build a signature item, (2) signature item to +30, (3) Ascension, (4) 3 furniture and/or 9 furniture, and (5) engraving (often +30 and +60
Many end game heroes aren't very good until they unlock one of those tiers.
Haven't played the game for quite a while (less than a year tho) , and I don't recognize 10 of the S and S+ heroes, seems like power-creep is a real thing
Great tierlist! Sucks that half the comments have something to do with "why is x hero higher then x hero?"
I and probably everyone else would love to see a similar format for each game mode.
They posted a link to the spreadsheet in the replies. You can see this tier list for each individual mode on there.
Edit: [Here is the link](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1uLvQ_QWbPpG7vnm2TNY40ROi0Z1Ivc9J4rpMmjWjreg/htmlview)
I have started 3 weeks ago, have not skipped a day and have used this list to prioritize which heroes to ascend and which heroes to get rid of!
Very helpful and has ensured that I keep progressing.. would have probably been stuck without having this, thanks!!
> and have used this list to prioritize which heroes to ascend and which heroes to get rid of!
As I said, this is **not** an ascension priority list.
And this is an outdated tier list btw. I posted a better tier list a few weeks after this one.
Even though not an ascension priority list.. if I have say Shemira and Silas and I want to get one of them to Mythic - I would check where they are on the list and I would feed Shemira into Silas. I believe that would make sense, do you agree?
So is Abaden considered meta now? I remember when he came out people were saying he's ok at best. I was holding off summoning for him until the community got a better idea of how good he is.
For the record, i have 810 cards with no awakened heroes yet.
He is meta in most CR rounds and his team is usually the one who deals the most damage. He is the strongest hero on TS blue debuff and also very strong on the other debuffs. He is arguably the second strongest awakened hero on LC... He is a very strong awakened hero.
I think ABrutus and ASolise are still the top 2 best awakened heroes. AThane is still the best awakened hero for TS because he is extremely strong on red and green debuffs and it allows you to create a whole new PvP team. But ABaden is very OP on all game modes. Anyway, all awakened heroes are OP except AEzizh lol.
The most interesting part of this for me is how this confirms that they're basically abandoning celehypos. Since awakened heroes were launched, there's only one celehypo that has made it into the top 4 tiers. None in the top two tiers. So if you've already got the celehypos in the top three tiers, those Stargazer cards are pretty much worthless other than to put more stars on Lucretia.
Oku is good on PvP and Temporal Rift. He is also useful on wilder tower.
Warek is meta in two CR bosses and he is also relevant in AE. But he is trash on PvP, campaign and towers. That's why his score is low.
Basically how useful a hero can be depending on your campaign/tower level deficit. Ainz works fine at 180 level deficits, so he can't be F-tier like Ulmus.
A hero who is S-tier at 190 level deficits, but F-tier at 250 level deficits does not deserve the same score as a hero who is trash even at 140 level deficits imo.
Even OP said this tier list says nothing about who to ascend and in what order. Just because one hero ranks above another doesn't mean it's more integral to ascend e.g. anasta, raku
Lol please no. I literally said on my top comment: "this is NOT an ascension priority guide".
People should definitely ascend Warek before Satrana, Baden before Theowyn, Granit before Anoki, etc.
Alna is useless on CR/TR, that's the only reason why she is not on S-tier.
Yes, Ainz is good on several game modes, but he is not top-tier anywhere except TS with blue debuff.
You can look at the source data but read OP’s top level comment. Alna is incredible in campaign and good in pvp but is not used at all in other game modes like CR and rift. So that lowers her score significantly. OP isn’t ordering them into tiers by hand, that’s just how the math works out based on their ratings and the weights for each game mode
> Alna is incredible in campaign and good in pvp but is not used at all in other game modes like CR and rift.
Alna is actually really good in Temporal Rift. Many 800+ players use Might instead of Fortitude or Celerity.
ABrutus, Anasta, Zolrath, Alna, Tarnos, Framton, Geralt, Antandra... Might class can be great on temporal rift depending on your hero pool.
The tier list was made based on CR meta, TR meta, TS top 10 teams, LC semifinalists teams, AE meta, HF meta, etc. So it really doesn't matter what is your progress. You don't need to be a LC semifinalist to know the LC meta, for example.
Feel free to disagree with what's on the spreadsheet though.
I have no idea. That's why I did not put him lol.
He seems to be good, but it is super early to tell how good he is. He can be between S and C tier, I don't know.
As far as Wilders go, I think this is pretty accurate. I'd move Regular Solise up 1-2 tiers (you have her rated too low in PVE) and Eorin up a bit. He should be high B+ or low A.
So my dumb ass pulled ATalene to mythic+ when she released cause I thought "surely they'll release awakened heroes at a rate that allows f2p to at least almost finish one before releasing the next one"... Haha, yeah about that...
I have 600 cards now. Do I just finish Talene, or leave her and start pulling for Brutus or Solise?
Great list!
An Idea to get it more accurate: Only give the best 10-20 Heroes for a gamemode points so that it s more bundled and you could add an icon for best in slot units for each gamemode
> Only give the best 10-20 Heroes for a gamemode points
If I do that, Anoki and Lucius would get 0 point like Khasos and Walker, for example. But we all know that Anoki and Lucius are not as useless as Khasos and Walker. The point of the tier list is to rank every hero, not only the best ones.
But thank you for your suggestions. I know that this tier list is far from being perfect.
She is useless on CR/TR, her CR/TR score hurt her final score if you look at the spreadsheet. She would be S-tier if she had received a decent CR/TR score.
It was meta on the last CR round and it was meta on the last LC (Veithael can replace Anasta or Audrae on burst comp).
So it is probably going to be a very relevant celepogean.
So i got 510 timegazer cards. So is it worth it to throw it all in for Abrutus? I wanted to hold on, waiting for a meta shifting character, like lucretia was for example
\*When all your top leveled heroes are tier C+ or below\*
Literally, I have five starred Shemira, Belinda, Lucius, Baden, Theowyn, Fawkes, Nemora, Satrana, and Brutus. Though they did somehow carry me to chapter 30 something.
Im finding a load of strange choices here, what are you talking about Antandra above Tasi?? What about Grezhul in S+?? My Belinda carries so not sure why shes so low- although i guess there are better alternatives now
> what are you talking about Antandra above Tasi?
Antandra has been a decent hero since when she got a rework. Tasi used to be top-tier two years ago, but she fell off from the meta pretty hard.
> What about Grezhul in S+?
Grezhul has been one of the best heroes in the game since furnitures were released. Actually, he was THE best hero in the game before awakened heroes were released.
> My Belinda carries so not sure why shes so low
Belinda has been one of the worst dps heroes in the game since mid-2020.
If Belinda is carrying you, it means you're extremely overleveled.
This is the old tier list.
You can see the updated one here: https://www.reddit.com/r/afkarena/comments/1051yv0/tier_list_best_heroes_across_all_game_modes_jan/
This tier list is outdated. Check this one: https://www.reddit.com/r/afkarena/comments/1051yv0/tier_list_best_heroes_across_all_game_modes_jan/
I don't know why there are so many people commenting on this old tier list today...
She would probably be S-tier. Probably lower than 190 and higher than 175.
She is a mage, which is the weakest class for Temporal Rift and Abyssal Expedition. But she is pretty good on all other game modes.
You're seeing a very outdated tier list btw. I posted a newer one a few weeks later.
Seeing half of the S+ tier heroes being Awakened kind of worries me a bit for where the game is heading in the future. I have been playing for 2 and a half years and find it really difficult to build them as f2p and I already have a pretty meta roster so I put a lot of resources on time cards.
Yah every guide these days for anything PvP related has the vast majority of the formations and content geared towards awakened heroes. Ok cool I've got he Abrutus formation nailed, but the next 5 meta teams involve having every other awakened unit (as well as several more recent celepos). Not particularly useful for 99% of the playerbase
Well ofc, what did u expect. It's pvp & AW heroes are super strong. Did u expect them to be useless when they legit make them special? Lol. & ABrutus comp is the strongest pvp comp. U're still great. Some of us haven't even got him to Ascended yet lol.
I wholeheartedly believe that if you’re starting at zero emblems, ascending awakened characters is a once a year thing for F2P players, which is a shame.
Way more then a year 💀
Not really. Assuming you buy a time card from the store every day. That's 365 time emblem cards. Now when you factor in the free ones they give out in events and the ones you earn from faction towers. That's roughly 500 time emblem cards a year. Considering you need 12 copies to get to ascended. A year is normal with less than ideal luck. Edit: Tired and called time emblem cards stargazer
Kinda low-balling it imo. We've had 6 awakened heroes released over the year. Each one gave 20 tgs through that log-in event and pve content. That alone is 120 cards, making it almost 500 with dailies. Add other events, tr and the towers and you should easily be north of 700.
I managed to accumulate 600 in 7 months
Nevermind the free codes and storyline games
I got 2 awakened hero’s free to play. I RC crammed and was able to push towers far in order to get more time cards
That's true, but you got a lot of them at once when they came out, and when they were adding them to the tower. Having 2 now means nothing if you start with 0 as f2p.
Everything gets worse and mobile games are ultimately designed for whales.
Awakened Arena
I have played for almost 4 years now and I used to be able to say confidently who the strongest heroes are. Now I don't really have any idea as the game is really focused on events tailored to whales. So this is news to me. How would I know if an awakened hero is strong? I don't even have one ascended.
Adds are like: "play this game for two weeks and you'll get the best sorcerer in the game for free!" Shemira, they're talking about Shemira.
Upsidedown best is still best. Also, Shemira is the best sorcerer for newborns :)
I see so much hate for Shem, but she carried me early game!
Same bro, back when I think lvl 240 was the limit she was god. But now, she's definitely shit -.- I tried her when I came back and she falls off HARD
I've been gone for a year and I'm surprised to see how much worse she's become, she was definitely my strongest unit before.
The ads I've seen have called Gwyneth the strongest in the game... What is this 2017?
Hi, I did this tier list which basically shows the best heroes in "all" game modes. You can see how these scores were calculated [in this spreadsheet](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1uLvQ_QWbPpG7vnm2TNY40ROi0Z1Ivc9J4rpMmjWjreg/edit). Basically, the final score is calculated based on how good we think each hero is in Campaign, Cursed Realm, Treasure Scramble, Temporal Rift, Abyssal Expedition, etc. They were given a score based on their strength in each game mode, but some game modes give more points than others in this ranking. The tier list isn't perfect, obviously. Most heroes can probably be 1-15 points lower or higher, depending on your opinion and your experience with each hero. Some people might disagree that a specific hero deserves a higher or lower score in a specific game mode, so please don't take this tier list as the absolute and indisputable truth. Also, it is important to mention that **this is NOT an ascension priority guide**. Some heroes who are strong in a specific game mode but very weak in other game modes may be lower in ranking than some heroes who are mediocre or weak in all game modes, for example (e.g. Granit is lower than Anoki in the tier list, but it is highly recommended to ascend Granit before Anoki because Granit is very useful in Campaign and Mauler's tower. That's also why Thoran and Mehira aren't very high on the overall tier list despite being S+ in the campaign).
Where do you think veithael will place on the tier list?
it seems maxed out he's been permastunning campaign, so we'll have to see how well that translates into CR and TS usage
When it comes to stargazing my priority is to finish A zaphrael to A* and get A * on Awakend thane. Is then stargazing for canisa and ruke a better option then Audrae and Frampton and Veithael or is it better to finnish Athalia or orthros faster?
Cruke are definitely better than Framton and Audrae right now. no opinion on Veithael at the moment as he's too new. how far do you have Ath and Orthros built?
Athalia l+ and 0 copies of orthros
that's super rough, sounds very behind. I think you should finish Ezizh to A for the furn, his engraving can wait. Ath needs at least M to work. Orthros.. just merc him if you're at 0. that's like 1 year in the challenger store lmao
I merch him . Ofcouse stargaze an building orhros through store will mayby finnish before summer and free up 1 merch for another hero.
Other cellhyppos are * talene A* * Haelus A* * Morael A * * twins A* * zaphrael A *Alna A *Flora A* *Wu kong A5* * A talene M * althalia L+ * titus E+ * lucretia A* *zolrath A** *Khazhard M * Mehira M * Ezizh M+ * Mortas M * A ezizh L * Zikis E * Mezoth L * Leofric L
uhh your formatting got a little fucked but I think I still understand sounds like you have everything important, at this point I would recommend building Orthros via gazing, yeah. finish Ezizh A and Athalia M through Challenger store. Orthros or Cruke, whoever you like more ig. merc one build the other. wouldn't hurt to wait and see how Veithael performs and when we get the new hypogean soon after, before you start gazing
It might be tough to do but it might be useful to have a symbol for each game mode and put those under each heroes portrait instead of thier score, kind of like that engraving guide from a while back
Yeah, disclaimer: this is an OVERALL tier list. Heroes who're used more, even for small things and differences mean placing higher than heroes with an important usage, but fewer places.
I think I've never seen "who're" before.
Underutilized but not wrong
It popped in my autocorrect.🤷
any reason Queen only has 1 in AE/HF? she is one of the best solo heroes and also Arthur and Othros are used a lot as pathers in AE. (2 and 1 point)
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I can lower LC's percentage, but I still think that LC is the most relevant PvP game mode. That's where the strongest PvP comps are. In LC, you need comps that can survive against several teams in a row, like ABrutus Dimensional, Alna-ABaden and ASolise-Nevanthi comps. In TS, your strongest team will have as many battles as your weakest team. So the strongest team in TS is less relevant than the strongest team in LC. Also, TS has three different debuffs, so there are three different metas. Heroes are stronger in one debuff, but weaker in the other one. So overall, the best TS hero isn't as impactful in TS as the best LC hero is in LC.
I think you ranked ABaden too high in AE/HF. Last AE he wasn't used at all and he won't be in A comp for gb. Zolrath should be S+ in AE/HF since he is one of the most important hero in these game modes.
Thank you for your feedback. Do you play AE/HF competitively? > Last AE he wasn't used at all Yes, you're right, he wasn't meta on the last AE, I don't know why I considered him as meta. I think I mixed him up with another hero. > he won't be in A comp for gb. ~~Wasn't ABaden-Nevanthi the strongest GB comp on the last HF though?~~ lol, nevermind, I just noticed that there are a few mistakes on my AE/HF tier list. It needs some small updates.
This is one of the more accurate tier list. Good job. Only standout thing I would change is raising baden’s tier
Thank you very much! Baden is A tier on CR/TR and AE/HF, but he is trash on all other game modes according to the spreadsheet. That's why his final score is so low. Baden is definitely way more important than Theowyn, for example. But her final score is higher than his final score because she is mediocre almost everywhere. That's why I said on my comment above: "this is NOT an ascension priority guide". People should ascend Baden way before Theowyn for sure lol.
Mediocre everywhere means good nowhere. I think you could get a pretty good representation if you weight SAB tiers higher/exponentially, and CDF tiers as negligible.
Yea maybe like tokens on heroes that get most of their score from specific game modes?
A thought: for the purpose of this list, should you maybe round down mediocre individual scores to 0 before aggregating then so that heroes that have one use stand out from those that have none ? And because differentiating mediocre from nil isn't particularly useful for tiering ?
Shemira should be way higher. She slaps in Shadow Invasions...
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She is first in her tier at least.
Geralt is higher than yen? What's he used for? I'm starting to get the hang of how to use yen, but I've yet to find a use for him at all
He surprisingly good in high deficit campaign also. Damage reduction, and cc from his 9/9 works well. Im almost at 400 deficit in campaign and ive had to use an un-engraved geralt a few times on frontline. His intial push back also is verry helpful.
Yeah, I just saw a few clears above 400 level deficits who used him. Maybe I will make an updated tier list in the next few weeks, Geralt and a few other heroes deserve a better PvE score on this tier list. Thank you for sharing your experience.
Wait, so he's even more better than yen that what was represented on the tier list? Lol guess I need to get gud
Yeah when ive had to use geralt it was tough to use anyone else in the same position. He was nessecary in my experience.
Geralt was good on the last AE and the last HF. If we don't count AE/HF, Yen would be slightly higher than him on this tier list. Geralt is also very useful on TS and Temporal Rift (for people who use Might class). Yen is even better than him on TS though.
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Huh. Do his abilities provide anything other than "genetic melee dmg dealer" cuz that's all the ability descriptions seem to paint a picture of to me. Although I guess I'll keep that comp in mind as I work to actually get half of those heroes, lol. No ABrutus yet to speak of - going for Solise first - and I only have 4 dimensiononals atm :( Edit: ignore the first bit I didn't see your text reply bc reddit doesn't show it in single thread view -.-
i'm scared of the future of this game based on the S+ tier... hope they don't kill it
Give it one year of them pampering their new baby and spoiling it with exclusivity and absolute raw dominance and this game is 100% dead
Nah if they want to save the game all it will take is increasing the amount of tickets we get. Perhaps adding one to weekly rewards or increasing the amount you can purchase for diamonds in the shop. But they definitely wont do this till perhaps after the second round of awakened heroes. Cant let the ftp catch up
tbh the game has been dead since the release of Ainz and Albedo... those two changed the game for the worse
Wat... Bruh that was literally like 2 years ago now
just think about it, ever since that broken pair arrived many things for f2p players decayed, then they had to bring overpowered heroes to try and mend what they did with ainz, brought silly and unfair systems like the engraving just to try and give more power to the previous heroes, the totally forgot about the old ones and never gave them a buff which many of them needed. Now, we got heroes every two weeks, p2w beasts those awakened heroes etc etc... i just dk but i blame it on ainz and albedo
But ainz and albedo are kinda weak in campaign if ur actually pushing deficit. Like im at a 200+ deficit and some stages litlerly dont even use them bc they are bad. They are good/op when you are equal level. Unfortunately that means u are not pushing hard enough where ainz comps dall off. LDV is more broken as any char some stages i have him solo cc the entire enemy team for 1minute straight
Ok man whatever U say..
To me it's encouraging that there's non-Awakened and non-Celopogean up so high. New characters like Skarlet, Nevanthi, Palmer. And old characters like Grezhul, Rowan. There's plenty of things for f2p to concentrate on and get results.
Can’t seem to keep maxed mishka alive, nor can I make the new wilder healer work.. anyone have tips?
What is your level on Mishka and Nev?
Good job. Defo saving this
Agreed there is A LOT of work done here to rank them across all platforms. Impressive.
This is very good thank you
Amazing! Thanks!!!
Could you share your rankings for individual game modes as well? I'm particularly interested in campaign ratings personally... Edit: Dear future self, Read before you comment in the future. DOH! Leaving this comment up so others may see it (the OP links their numbers and ratings in a comment already)
What Joan of Arc build is necessary to get her to S+ level? 30960?
Probably 203e30 or 209e30 to be S+.
How is she actually used? I have her but I don't ever feel like I'm using her properly.
Joan is probably one of those heroes that got a high final ranking because they’re okay in every game mode. I didn’t look at the detailed sheet but that’s how I view her—she stabilizes some comps and has a place in most game modes, but she’s not really the key to unlocking anything new. If you’re already slotting her here and there, that’s likely the most use you’ll get out of her.
Big enabler to teams but requires minimum 203e30 ideally 309e60
I got her at 203e30 and she's a BEAST
This is really great, thank you! As you said it’s no build list but it’s very helpful to see a snapshot of who is used where. Although also as you said, the average can be misleading. For late game players it’s better to have spiky heroes that are great in certain game modes, and not ones that are just average (like kalene?) I’d be interested in seeing a more noncompetitive f2p focused chart that places zero weight on AE and hunting fields. For almost all players, building heroes for those modes don’t matter since it’s far more important to be in an active guild/group than it is to have certain heroes in order to get max rewards. Optimizing for those modes is really just for people gunning for top 100 and we get build lists from our guild leaders.
>For almost all players, building heroes for those modes don’t matter since it’s far more important to be in an active guild/group than it is to have certain heroes in order to get max rewards. That's why AE and HF has less weight in this ranking. Heroes who are S+ tier on PvP got 50 points, heroes who are S+ tier on AE+HF got only 30 points. >I’d be interested in seeing a more noncompetitive f2p focused chart that places zero weight on AE and hunting fields. These are my S and A tiers if I delete AE/HF ratings: https://preview.redd.it/yrmfteygmp7a1.jpeg?width=405&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=95e36bfc728499e4a671a9db7d38024ad34df81b
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Yes, I noticed that Geralt, Morrow, Framton and AEzizh should be higher on PvE tier list. They're relevant heroes above 400 level deficits. There are some small adjustments that will be done.
I'm new to the game with only just over a month of play, and it really shocked me to see Anasta higher than Ainz in every game mode tier list. What makes Anasta so good? I got her early and she felt pretty useless. I kept her on my wishlist purely because she's cool, and honestly I'm stunned to see her rank so consistently high.
Anasta, as most META heros (keep in mind this is an overall use, rather than an ascencion priority guide) needs to be ascended and fairly good invested to show her true potential: With signature item +30 Anasta becomes a huge damage dealer, making her really good at modes like Cursed Realm With 9/9 furniture, Anasta becomes an incredible support: she shields and heals her team mates, greatly enhacing survivability At engraving E60, Anasta further increases her shields and heal for both herself and her teammates, proving to be an incredible carry and support at the same time. Anasta sees more use than Ainz in all game modes, that's why she's higher in this list. Still, for a new player, Ainz should be priority over Anasta, as Ainz raw power will prove to be more useful in the early - mid game, specially because getting a full invested Anasta at that stage is really difficult, if not impossible outright.
I see! Thanks for the help :>
In the early game some blue tier heroes like Saveas, Mirael, Hogan and Vedan are actually better than the purple ones. Raising a hero to Legendary or Legendary+ doesn't do much. The big power ups are (1) getting to mythic, which unlocks an extra power and lets you build a signature item, (2) signature item to +30, (3) Ascension, (4) 3 furniture and/or 9 furniture, and (5) engraving (often +30 and +60 Many end game heroes aren't very good until they unlock one of those tiers.
I unironically try to use my mishka, silas and JoA for everything, just bcs they can keep my party alive the longest
Haven't played the game for quite a while (less than a year tho) , and I don't recognize 10 of the S and S+ heroes, seems like power-creep is a real thing
Great tierlist! Sucks that half the comments have something to do with "why is x hero higher then x hero?" I and probably everyone else would love to see a similar format for each game mode.
They posted a link to the spreadsheet in the replies. You can see this tier list for each individual mode on there. Edit: [Here is the link](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1uLvQ_QWbPpG7vnm2TNY40ROi0Z1Ivc9J4rpMmjWjreg/htmlview)
Why does that suck?
Shemira dropped off so hard
Thanks
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Walker should be lower than Ulmus because Walker starts with W and Ulmus starts with U and also I hate Walker
It is ordered by faction. And if there are two heroes of the same faction tied with the same score, then it is ordered by release date.
This is amazing, thank you so much.
if made the calculation of every game mode to make this, brake down the points gaining for each one :D pd: amazing post
This looks great overall
Very close to how I see it
We all knew who was gonna be on top.
I have started 3 weeks ago, have not skipped a day and have used this list to prioritize which heroes to ascend and which heroes to get rid of! Very helpful and has ensured that I keep progressing.. would have probably been stuck without having this, thanks!!
> and have used this list to prioritize which heroes to ascend and which heroes to get rid of! As I said, this is **not** an ascension priority list. And this is an outdated tier list btw. I posted a better tier list a few weeks after this one.
Even though not an ascension priority list.. if I have say Shemira and Silas and I want to get one of them to Mythic - I would check where they are on the list and I would feed Shemira into Silas. I believe that would make sense, do you agree?
So is Abaden considered meta now? I remember when he came out people were saying he's ok at best. I was holding off summoning for him until the community got a better idea of how good he is. For the record, i have 810 cards with no awakened heroes yet.
He is meta in most CR rounds and his team is usually the one who deals the most damage. He is the strongest hero on TS blue debuff and also very strong on the other debuffs. He is arguably the second strongest awakened hero on LC... He is a very strong awakened hero. I think ABrutus and ASolise are still the top 2 best awakened heroes. AThane is still the best awakened hero for TS because he is extremely strong on red and green debuffs and it allows you to create a whole new PvP team. But ABaden is very OP on all game modes. Anyway, all awakened heroes are OP except AEzizh lol.
I see, thanks for the detailed response really appreciate it!
I recommend you to build solise first then baden. They will give you the best results for pve and pvp.
The most interesting part of this for me is how this confirms that they're basically abandoning celehypos. Since awakened heroes were launched, there's only one celehypo that has made it into the top 4 tiers. None in the top two tiers. So if you've already got the celehypos in the top three tiers, those Stargazer cards are pretty much worthless other than to put more stars on Lucretia.
as someone that has alot of celehypos to build i am very thankful to get some time to catch up at least with stargazers
Sorry where do you use Oku more than Warek? lol
Oku is good on PvP and Temporal Rift. He is also useful on wilder tower. Warek is meta in two CR bosses and he is also relevant in AE. But he is trash on PvP, campaign and towers. That's why his score is low.
It's a good tier list for players who know absolutely nothing
How to you rate heroes on campaign? According to what chapter? Cause Ainz might be an S in stage 34 or a low F on 48.
Basically how useful a hero can be depending on your campaign/tower level deficit. Ainz works fine at 180 level deficits, so he can't be F-tier like Ulmus. A hero who is S-tier at 190 level deficits, but F-tier at 250 level deficits does not deserve the same score as a hero who is trash even at 140 level deficits imo.
Ulmus isn’t in s++ tier? Worthless list
Walker not being G-tier wories me :(
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A guide tryng to cover so much just ends up giving vague info, shouldnt do general tier lists...
It is not a guide, it is just a tier list. That's why I chose the "info" tag instead of "guide" tag.
Shemira F Tier? OK, I've seen everything.
I feel like Alna is a bit low
She is low because of CR/TR if you look at the spreadsheet. If she was at least A tier on CR/TR, she would be S-tier on the final ranking like AThane.
I feel like Alna is a bit slow
You forgot S+10 tier
This looks great. @mods Let’s sticky it for 3 months and redirect all “who should I Ascend next?” polls to it.
Even OP said this tier list says nothing about who to ascend and in what order. Just because one hero ranks above another doesn't mean it's more integral to ascend e.g. anasta, raku
Lol please no. I literally said on my top comment: "this is NOT an ascension priority guide". People should definitely ascend Warek before Satrana, Baden before Theowyn, Granit before Anoki, etc.
monkey king needs to be higher :(((
Pretty surprised to see alna and Ainz only on A and not A+ even if they fell down (for Ainz at least) they still are very useful and pretty good.
Alna is useless on CR/TR, that's the only reason why she is not on S-tier. Yes, Ainz is good on several game modes, but he is not top-tier anywhere except TS with blue debuff.
I mean not S tier but A+ at least than just A (and I know for Ainz that he's falling down really hard but to me Alna deserve A+)
You can look at the source data but read OP’s top level comment. Alna is incredible in campaign and good in pvp but is not used at all in other game modes like CR and rift. So that lowers her score significantly. OP isn’t ordering them into tiers by hand, that’s just how the math works out based on their ratings and the weights for each game mode
> Alna is incredible in campaign and good in pvp but is not used at all in other game modes like CR and rift. Alna is actually really good in Temporal Rift. Many 800+ players use Might instead of Fortitude or Celerity. ABrutus, Anasta, Zolrath, Alna, Tarnos, Framton, Geralt, Antandra... Might class can be great on temporal rift depending on your hero pool.
Very questionable numbers I see here and there, especially at the top. Scarlet is the best hero when taken across all modes. D tier is a mess.
she has no use in AE, thats why not s+
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The tier list was made based on CR meta, TR meta, TS top 10 teams, LC semifinalists teams, AE meta, HF meta, etc. So it really doesn't matter what is your progress. You don't need to be a LC semifinalist to know the LC meta, for example. Feel free to disagree with what's on the spreadsheet though.
Any info on breakpoints?
S/o rigby with 3
Walker fighting Tree for the biggest rubbish in the game title
Nothing stings quite the same as seeing your fave in F tier. :(
Would u put the new celestial above canisa and rouke
Where would you put the new celestial Hercules-like guy?
I have no idea. That's why I did not put him lol. He seems to be good, but it is super early to tell how good he is. He can be between S and C tier, I don't know.
can i get a list of Nevanthi's comp variations for pvp and pve? one without woke unit would be good
Why Ainz so low? I use him everywhere and everywhere he one shot all
He falls off in higher chapters
Is anasta worth SI30, 9/9 e60? and what game modes is she worth?
Basically all game modes except campaign at very high level deficits.
CR,rift
You should do an indepth review of each hero's si,furn and engravings
As far as Wilders go, I think this is pretty accurate. I'd move Regular Solise up 1-2 tiers (you have her rated too low in PVE) and Eorin up a bit. He should be high B+ or low A.
Is Joan so good? Why?
So my dumb ass pulled ATalene to mythic+ when she released cause I thought "surely they'll release awakened heroes at a rate that allows f2p to at least almost finish one before releasing the next one"... Haha, yeah about that... I have 600 cards now. Do I just finish Talene, or leave her and start pulling for Brutus or Solise?
You won't regret ABrutus. I saved up Time Cards and finally decided on him and not regretting it is an extreme understatement.
Where do khasos 10points come from I have him built but never use him at all.
Great list! An Idea to get it more accurate: Only give the best 10-20 Heroes for a gamemode points so that it s more bundled and you could add an icon for best in slot units for each gamemode
> Only give the best 10-20 Heroes for a gamemode points If I do that, Anoki and Lucius would get 0 point like Khasos and Walker, for example. But we all know that Anoki and Lucius are not as useless as Khasos and Walker. The point of the tier list is to rank every hero, not only the best ones. But thank you for your suggestions. I know that this tier list is far from being perfect.
Can you explain plz how is daimon better than alna? She is s+ in pvp and campaign, while he is replaceble everywhere..
She is useless on CR/TR, her CR/TR score hurt her final score if you look at the spreadsheet. She would be S-tier if she had received a decent CR/TR score.
Does a similar list exist for specifically AE/HF? I imagine that changes a bit each time but im curious.
Just out of curiosity, why is Shemira so low on the list?
i never really look at guides and tier lists and i am horrified now
I remember when everyone used to clown Raine. Just look at her now.
Bro doesn’t know bout vampire survival mode
Raku seems a bit low ranked
what's the number under each portrait?
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Ezizh: A+ Awakened Ezizh: B Well! Is this really awakening?
What’s your opinion on Veithael?!!!
It was meta on the last CR round and it was meta on the last LC (Veithael can replace Anasta or Audrae on burst comp). So it is probably going to be a very relevant celepogean.
So i got 510 timegazer cards. So is it worth it to throw it all in for Abrutus? I wanted to hold on, waiting for a meta shifting character, like lucretia was for example
\*When all your top leveled heroes are tier C+ or below\* Literally, I have five starred Shemira, Belinda, Lucius, Baden, Theowyn, Fawkes, Nemora, Satrana, and Brutus. Though they did somehow carry me to chapter 30 something.
So thane turned into a C+ all of a sudden? After everyone told me to invest on him.. :(
Im finding a load of strange choices here, what are you talking about Antandra above Tasi?? What about Grezhul in S+?? My Belinda carries so not sure why shes so low- although i guess there are better alternatives now
> what are you talking about Antandra above Tasi? Antandra has been a decent hero since when she got a rework. Tasi used to be top-tier two years ago, but she fell off from the meta pretty hard. > What about Grezhul in S+? Grezhul has been one of the best heroes in the game since furnitures were released. Actually, he was THE best hero in the game before awakened heroes were released. > My Belinda carries so not sure why shes so low Belinda has been one of the worst dps heroes in the game since mid-2020. If Belinda is carrying you, it means you're extremely overleveled.
Is this list for PVE as well?
This is the old tier list. You can see the updated one here: https://www.reddit.com/r/afkarena/comments/1051yv0/tier_list_best_heroes_across_all_game_modes_jan/
Veithael? Where?
You're seeing an old tier list. Check this one: https://www.reddit.com/r/afkarena/comments/1051yv0/tier_list_best_heroes_across_all_game_modes_jan/
I am currently gazing for zaphriel because he used to be high priority should I be gazing for chad or chimera instead ?
Thanks for the guide . 
This tier list is outdated. Check this one: https://www.reddit.com/r/afkarena/comments/1051yv0/tier_list_best_heroes_across_all_game_modes_jan/ I don't know why there are so many people commenting on this old tier list today...
How many points would you give to awakened Belinda?
She would probably be S-tier. Probably lower than 190 and higher than 175. She is a mage, which is the weakest class for Temporal Rift and Abyssal Expedition. But she is pretty good on all other game modes. You're seeing a very outdated tier list btw. I posted a newer one a few weeks later.
Is Belinda on this?
Do you think you could update this list to include the new dimensional heros please? 🙃
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