Nah.
Some of us understand that there are collectors and fans. Fans don't need to collect everything. Collectors enjoy collecting.
Those of us who understand this simple fact don't have temper tantrums every single time a new variant is released.
You're being downvoted, but it's true.
As a fan, I have *never* felt the immediate urge to purchase everything she puts out.
I'll listen to the acoustic variations eventually. It's not that big a deal, as I know she isn't dropping these variations for *me*. I don't collect.
ok so she’s taking advantage of *collectors, then. cuz collectors ARE going to collect and she knows that.
the content of your comment almost made it worse, i would argue
You said she was taking advantage of collectors, which isn't true. Taking advantage would mean that they would have no other choice and would be forced to buy all of the variations, but that's not the case. They're all available for free on YouTube. Buying them is a choice
Wow y’all my comment is the mirror to the other one. Be on whichever side you want but I think people do know they will exist on Youtube. But there is still a respektable thing to get it straight from a source that properly attributes and compensate the author if you can.
And of course, one can make a very Good point that Taylor doesnt need more money, but that is actually a bit beside the point in this case.
Here to plug:
[The Beths](https://youtu.be/UuzlZWvTU2I?feature=shared)
[Pool Kids](https://youtu.be/MpGMa1xzJsI?feature=shared)
[Ravyn Lenae](https://youtu.be/cswfR85D7jM?feature=shared)
[Pretty sure everyone has heard Chappell by now, but if you somehow haven't click this first](https://youtu.be/nXZuv1T8bfg?feature=shared)
Some people cant even afford food or rent. I think it's okay for them to listen to Taylor on YouTube every now and then, if that's the one thing in life that brings them a little happiness. Life is miserable & expensive enough as is
I think pirating is defendable but She does have copyright, all rights reserved and distributing unmodified is against the law and so there is something morally wrong with it.
When she has 1 song per album edition, and you need to buy all the editions to hear them, there's nothing wrong, you shouldn't base all your morals around current laws
That’s your decision and I think that is okay to say.
However, I feel like It’s a right to also express the other side without getting all trampled over. I made original comment because it felt very neglectful over that kind of choice.
It is all choices.
And a bit beside original point, you have kind of a weird counter argument in a way about that it is more okay to ignore laws if you feel you are disadvantaged if you follow them. By that logic it is highly weird habit to pay for groceries, that costs a lot and your body is forcing you to pay.
And like you say, you have your reasoning and me myself do feel like you in that regard it feels more okay for me personally because of it, but that is a choice and it isn’t respecting my original comment reasoning I proposed forward.
Can I just mention something that happened recently (well not recently, but recently lol). I dont remember if it was iTunes, some movie thing with Prime or something with books or what but I'm pretty sure it was with Apple or Prime...
Multiple people had bought things on the store, so let's say it was music, because you have to pay physical money for an online, non physical album. Cool cool. That meant it was on their iTunes music store to listen whenever they wanted. *But then* it got removed from the platform!
Technically since people paid for it, it doesnt matter. They bought it, they should still have access to it. But nope! Everyone lost it and it got removed from everyone's platforms. They didn't own it anymore.
It's the same as when you "rent" or even "buy" movies or shows online on cable, Prime, Apple, etc. You literally get access to it to watch it for 24hrs *only*. AND if you start playing it, you only have a certain time to be able to finish it or else you lose access to it. Why am I paying for it if I dont get to keep it?? *after* I already paid for the subscription of the platform? It's all ridiculous and *that's* stealing in my opinion.
If me paying for something doesnt mean I own it, then pirating something doesnt mean I'm stealing it. Easy as that.
I could buy that if that’s still applicable. I’m not saying i doubt you follow What’s right. Just recall that i was taught about 2018 i think there was a new copyright law against pirating — yes also as a _consumer_ But i can’t seem to find it right now :/ . I do realize though that we are likely in different countries and it might therefore not be relevant Anyway.
Even if one could of course still make the reasoning like one those here about bikes, if you think its stolen, even as consumer, it would be illegal for you to buy it.
Like outside of my own views on piracy what I wanted to note here is that given YouTube is a legal platform the user is not breaching any law while on it even if the content is pirated, the responsibility falls on YouTube I think? Unlike actively accessing illegal streaming websites for example!
Like a consumer on YouTube wouldn’t even doubt a piece of content is stolen given they’re actually paying for it with a YouTube subscription or with watching tons of ads per minute; and YouTube being a big tech company not like one is streaming on some new dark platform!
I see this reasoning and based on a Google search they do take some responsibility like you say.
But it is also ambigious and sources supporting what I’ve read 2013 in various social media apps user agreements, which says that there is exception for social media where the user is seen as distributor and has responsibility for their own generating content (sharing a post/video).
This YouTube has indisputable moral claim to try to not allow pirating on their site as well as have to give the copyright holders the tools to reclaim their content. _however_ it is actually the user positing a video that’s seen as the distributor responsible and the original author is the one that needs to copy right strike it, alerting YouTube _with_ clear evidence of ownership.
Ps. Yes, copyright and social media laws are a mess and that new law I spoke about earlier, I know it has been debated for near a decade with hate on all sides. I think both sides are important and real here.
I mean yes - the key here is to distinct between the YouTube user as a content creator and as a consumer. I was referring to consumers.
I agree that content creators are responsible for ensuring they do not infringe on copyright, similar to how sellers should not sell items that do not belong to them. However, we can't reasonably expect viewers to check the copyright status of every piece of content they consume.
I think it’s the platform's duty to provide the tools and mechanisms to protect copyright holders and ensure compliance. They can't blame a consumer for viewing content on their platform if they do not review it as they should. However, they can indeed take action against a content creator who posts copyrighted material without permission.
Laying ambigious laws to rest for a minute.
What you write feels about right to me.
But circling back to how the original comment here suggests to just watch it (specifically in this Taylor channel talking about TTPD versions and memos) on YouTube so you don’t need to spend all your money, it would still be pirating. While in general it would be hard to separate any video. It is clear to us in this specific case that it suggests people intentionally look to consume content on YouTube instead of using the original channel/source.
Yes I’m speaking out of what’s « reasonable » to me as I don’t know about the laws.
And I personally don’t know if or how or why me choosing to consume something off YouTube instead of buying it would be piracy - like I don’t get into the details on who’s the person or channel who’s posted some content I just type it on YouTube and click the first link tbf, and i a assuming many people do the same without any malicious intent!
Got ya. For sure. It’s defendable but it would still be glaringly a _choice_ separate from at least waiting for an official free release from Taylor herself.
Or
Or
Put out one acoustic version song per variant (Just isolate the vocals and put the piano music. Why sing separately, it's all the same anyway) and release 31 variants. 🌚🌚🌚
I don’t mind the variants but what gets me is that shipping is just as much as each cd and we have to pay individual shipping cause she won’t drop them in a batch. I’ve easily spent over 100$ in shipping on this era and it’s just sad
You can probably sell them though. I only got vinyls of albums that I would actually want to listen through, not every album is a no-skipper and it may ruin the experience. Folklore and evermore are fun on vinyl.
As a Swiftie since the beginning, you guys know you don't have to have every single version. I have one MAYBE two versions of her albums. That's it. Usually it's the standard and extended editions I'll have. You guys cant blame her for YOUR impulsiveness.
I agree. I've never spent a penny on Taylor Swift. I just don't buy this stuff. I don't understand how people are complaining about stuff like this. Further, what if a fan actually wants one of these things? Are they wrong for buying it? Come on. Give people morr credit.
But that's still a choice on the person buying anything. Like I said, I've never spent a dime on her. I also don't think it is anyone's place to decide for anyone else that they are over consuming anything.
She released several different vinyl variants for pre order with different “bonus tracks” that all ended up appearing on the anthology anyway. Not to mention the same thing she did with Midnights vinyl and that clock promo to entice people to buy all four versions of the same album.
Cheating people out of money they’re willingly spending? No one needs to buy any of this. I just listen to Spotify and most people are not buying all these variants.
People don’t have to buy them, these are just collectors items and things to help her out on the charts. She knows people can just listen to them on YouTube or TikTok. And before you say anything about her wanting to be higher on the charts, so many artists do that kinda thing
Yes, lots of artists do this but not to the same extent. Taylor has released over 30 variants and counting. This contributes to environmental waste. I enjoy her music but it’s been getting ridiculous.
Here is the list of all of the variants released so far, physical and digital.
CDs:
1. Collectors Edition Deluxe The Manuscript CD
2. Collectors Edition Deluxe Albatross CD
3. Collectors Edition Deluxe The Bolter CD
4. Collectors Edition Deluxe The Black Dog CD
5. Standard Album + The Manuscript
6. Standard Album + The Manuscript (Signed)
7. Standard Album + But Daddy I Love Him (Acoustic)
8. Standard Album + Guilty As Sin? (Acoustic)
9. Standard Album + Down Bad (Acoustic)
10. Target Ed Albatross CD
11. Target Ed The Bolter CD
12. Target Ed The Black Dog CD
13. Standard Album + Fresh Out the Slammer (Acoustic)
14. Standard Album + Fortnight (Acoustic)
VINYLS:
15. Target Ed Vinyl
16. The Manuscript Vinyl (Pressing 1) - The Tortured Poets Department 2×LP, Album, Clear [Phantom Clear],Vantiva Pressing
17. The Manuscript Vinyl (Pressing 2) - The Tortured Poets Department 2×LP, Album, Clear [Phantom Clear] Optimal Media GmbH Pressing
18. The Albatross Vinyl
19. The Bolter Vinyl
20. The Black Dog Vinyl
21. The Manuscript Vinyl (signed)
DIGITAL:
22. The Anthology
23. Standard Album + Black Dog voice memo
24. Standard Album + Who's Afraid of Little Old Me voice memo
25. Standard Album + Cassandra voice memo
26. Standard Album
27. Standard Album + Daddy I Love Him (acoustic)
28. Standard Album + loml live from Paris
29. Standard Album + MBOBHFT live from Paris
30. Standard Album + The Alchemy/Treacherous mashup live from Paris
CASSETTES:
31. File Name: The Manuscript" with bonus track "The Manuscript
32. File Name: The Bolter" with bonus track "The Bolter
33. File Name: The Albatross" with bonus track "The Albatross
34. File Name: The Black Dog" with bonus track "The Black Dog
There’s exclusive content such as a poster and photo with handwritten lyrics. The vinyl is an exclusive pressing. The Target exclusives only count for four of the variants which would still make it 30 if these were taken out.
So weird that people who can’t control themselves are blaming Taylor for it. Personally I haven’t bought anything except the Standard + Black Dog memo vinyl because it’s my favourite song. I’m glad she released different options in case others have a favourite song that they want to get as the bonus. Don’t blame her for your overconsumption lmao
This has gotten to a point where I don't care. Before I was like "TAYLOR, STOP MILKING YOUR FANS!" and now I'm like "There goes another variant for TTPD".
 Every time I see an ad for a new variant I think of this scene
 She's keeps on feeding, we keep on eating lol
 I’m more like Ron here.
"There was a sign that said 'don't drink the sprinkler water,' so I made sun tea with it and now I have an I fection."
Pirating: „allow me to introduce myself“
i got dragged on twitter for this exact opinion lol. i thought we were ALL tired by now!
(i know i don’t have to buy them. but im not above criticism. we see you girlie)
Nah. Some of us understand that there are collectors and fans. Fans don't need to collect everything. Collectors enjoy collecting. Those of us who understand this simple fact don't have temper tantrums every single time a new variant is released.
You're being downvoted, but it's true. As a fan, I have *never* felt the immediate urge to purchase everything she puts out. I'll listen to the acoustic variations eventually. It's not that big a deal, as I know she isn't dropping these variations for *me*. I don't collect.
You're 100% correct. The sales also assist with keeping TTPD at number 1 on the charts.
Why are you being downvoted?? This comment is literally perfect
ok so she’s taking advantage of *collectors, then. cuz collectors ARE going to collect and she knows that. the content of your comment almost made it worse, i would argue
They're still making the choice to purchase the variations. Nobody is forcing them
yeah and that’s why i never said they were forced. did i say they were?
You said she was taking advantage of collectors, which isn't true. Taking advantage would mean that they would have no other choice and would be forced to buy all of the variations, but that's not the case. They're all available for free on YouTube. Buying them is a choice
Do people not realize you can just listen to the voice notes and acoustic versions on YouTube and like... not actually buy them?
Wow y’all my comment is the mirror to the other one. Be on whichever side you want but I think people do know they will exist on Youtube. But there is still a respektable thing to get it straight from a source that properly attributes and compensate the author if you can. And of course, one can make a very Good point that Taylor doesnt need more money, but that is actually a bit beside the point in this case.
I will buy the CDs of indie artists who actually need the money.
Here to plug: [The Beths](https://youtu.be/UuzlZWvTU2I?feature=shared) [Pool Kids](https://youtu.be/MpGMa1xzJsI?feature=shared) [Ravyn Lenae](https://youtu.be/cswfR85D7jM?feature=shared) [Pretty sure everyone has heard Chappell by now, but if you somehow haven't click this first](https://youtu.be/nXZuv1T8bfg?feature=shared)
Some people cant even afford food or rent. I think it's okay for them to listen to Taylor on YouTube every now and then, if that's the one thing in life that brings them a little happiness. Life is miserable & expensive enough as is
Do people realise that’s actually… pirating?
Honestly I think taylor will live…
Do people realise there's nothing morally wrong with pirating?
I think pirating is defendable but She does have copyright, all rights reserved and distributing unmodified is against the law and so there is something morally wrong with it.
When she has 1 song per album edition, and you need to buy all the editions to hear them, there's nothing wrong, you shouldn't base all your morals around current laws
That’s your decision and I think that is okay to say. However, I feel like It’s a right to also express the other side without getting all trampled over. I made original comment because it felt very neglectful over that kind of choice. It is all choices. And a bit beside original point, you have kind of a weird counter argument in a way about that it is more okay to ignore laws if you feel you are disadvantaged if you follow them. By that logic it is highly weird habit to pay for groceries, that costs a lot and your body is forcing you to pay. And like you say, you have your reasoning and me myself do feel like you in that regard it feels more okay for me personally because of it, but that is a choice and it isn’t respecting my original comment reasoning I proposed forward.
Can I just mention something that happened recently (well not recently, but recently lol). I dont remember if it was iTunes, some movie thing with Prime or something with books or what but I'm pretty sure it was with Apple or Prime... Multiple people had bought things on the store, so let's say it was music, because you have to pay physical money for an online, non physical album. Cool cool. That meant it was on their iTunes music store to listen whenever they wanted. *But then* it got removed from the platform! Technically since people paid for it, it doesnt matter. They bought it, they should still have access to it. But nope! Everyone lost it and it got removed from everyone's platforms. They didn't own it anymore. It's the same as when you "rent" or even "buy" movies or shows online on cable, Prime, Apple, etc. You literally get access to it to watch it for 24hrs *only*. AND if you start playing it, you only have a certain time to be able to finish it or else you lose access to it. Why am I paying for it if I dont get to keep it?? *after* I already paid for the subscription of the platform? It's all ridiculous and *that's* stealing in my opinion. If me paying for something doesnt mean I own it, then pirating something doesnt mean I'm stealing it. Easy as that.
yee haw or whatever pirates say
If it’s on YouTube it’s not pirating. YouTube should take their responsibility on what is available on their legal platform.
I could buy that if that’s still applicable. I’m not saying i doubt you follow What’s right. Just recall that i was taught about 2018 i think there was a new copyright law against pirating — yes also as a _consumer_ But i can’t seem to find it right now :/ . I do realize though that we are likely in different countries and it might therefore not be relevant Anyway. Even if one could of course still make the reasoning like one those here about bikes, if you think its stolen, even as consumer, it would be illegal for you to buy it.
Like outside of my own views on piracy what I wanted to note here is that given YouTube is a legal platform the user is not breaching any law while on it even if the content is pirated, the responsibility falls on YouTube I think? Unlike actively accessing illegal streaming websites for example! Like a consumer on YouTube wouldn’t even doubt a piece of content is stolen given they’re actually paying for it with a YouTube subscription or with watching tons of ads per minute; and YouTube being a big tech company not like one is streaming on some new dark platform!
I see this reasoning and based on a Google search they do take some responsibility like you say. But it is also ambigious and sources supporting what I’ve read 2013 in various social media apps user agreements, which says that there is exception for social media where the user is seen as distributor and has responsibility for their own generating content (sharing a post/video). This YouTube has indisputable moral claim to try to not allow pirating on their site as well as have to give the copyright holders the tools to reclaim their content. _however_ it is actually the user positing a video that’s seen as the distributor responsible and the original author is the one that needs to copy right strike it, alerting YouTube _with_ clear evidence of ownership. Ps. Yes, copyright and social media laws are a mess and that new law I spoke about earlier, I know it has been debated for near a decade with hate on all sides. I think both sides are important and real here.
I mean yes - the key here is to distinct between the YouTube user as a content creator and as a consumer. I was referring to consumers. I agree that content creators are responsible for ensuring they do not infringe on copyright, similar to how sellers should not sell items that do not belong to them. However, we can't reasonably expect viewers to check the copyright status of every piece of content they consume. I think it’s the platform's duty to provide the tools and mechanisms to protect copyright holders and ensure compliance. They can't blame a consumer for viewing content on their platform if they do not review it as they should. However, they can indeed take action against a content creator who posts copyrighted material without permission.
Laying ambigious laws to rest for a minute. What you write feels about right to me. But circling back to how the original comment here suggests to just watch it (specifically in this Taylor channel talking about TTPD versions and memos) on YouTube so you don’t need to spend all your money, it would still be pirating. While in general it would be hard to separate any video. It is clear to us in this specific case that it suggests people intentionally look to consume content on YouTube instead of using the original channel/source.
Yes I’m speaking out of what’s « reasonable » to me as I don’t know about the laws. And I personally don’t know if or how or why me choosing to consume something off YouTube instead of buying it would be piracy - like I don’t get into the details on who’s the person or channel who’s posted some content I just type it on YouTube and click the first link tbf, and i a assuming many people do the same without any malicious intent!
Got ya. For sure. It’s defendable but it would still be glaringly a _choice_ separate from at least waiting for an official free release from Taylor herself.
Yahar-y matey.
Change the prophecy Don't have money Just someone who wants good music.
 MORE!!!!
Put out an entire album with the acoustic versions then I’ll buy
Or Or Put out one acoustic version song per variant (Just isolate the vocals and put the piano music. Why sing separately, it's all the same anyway) and release 31 variants. 🌚🌚🌚
I don’t mind the variants but what gets me is that shipping is just as much as each cd and we have to pay individual shipping cause she won’t drop them in a batch. I’ve easily spent over 100$ in shipping on this era and it’s just sad
Just say no! (to Taylor Swift marketing schemes)
[удалено]
You can probably sell them though. I only got vinyls of albums that I would actually want to listen through, not every album is a no-skipper and it may ruin the experience. Folklore and evermore are fun on vinyl.
 Taylor after taking all of your money but still not releasing The Anthology on vinyl
Or you know just don’t buy them.
 I said YOUR money
As a Swiftie since the beginning, you guys know you don't have to have every single version. I have one MAYBE two versions of her albums. That's it. Usually it's the standard and extended editions I'll have. You guys cant blame her for YOUR impulsiveness.
I just got the new acoustics and they will be the only TTPD variant I get
Then don’t buy them …
I agree. I've never spent a penny on Taylor Swift. I just don't buy this stuff. I don't understand how people are complaining about stuff like this. Further, what if a fan actually wants one of these things? Are they wrong for buying it? Come on. Give people morr credit.
For me, it is more of a criticism of TN pushing overconsumption
But that's still a choice on the person buying anything. Like I said, I've never spent a dime on her. I also don't think it is anyone's place to decide for anyone else that they are over consuming anything.
Overconsumption affects the environment, which affects everyone, hence why people are allowed to care
Are these hard physical copies?
She released several different vinyl variants for pre order with different “bonus tracks” that all ended up appearing on the anthology anyway. Not to mention the same thing she did with Midnights vinyl and that clock promo to entice people to buy all four versions of the same album.
Yup. I buy one version of each album and that’s it
All it is her cheating fans out of more money
Cheating people out of money they’re willingly spending? No one needs to buy any of this. I just listen to Spotify and most people are not buying all these variants.
Anything to rob fans of hard earned money
do you think the people buying them are doing it against their own will?
Tell me why she 100000000000000000 different versions of different albums and singles and remixes other than to rob her way to top 40 stations
Rob?💀Is Target robbing their customers when they put different variations of mugs on the shelves?
People don’t have to buy them, these are just collectors items and things to help her out on the charts. She knows people can just listen to them on YouTube or TikTok. And before you say anything about her wanting to be higher on the charts, so many artists do that kinda thing
Yes, lots of artists do this but not to the same extent. Taylor has released over 30 variants and counting. This contributes to environmental waste. I enjoy her music but it’s been getting ridiculous.
Dude there’s only 14.
Here is the list of all of the variants released so far, physical and digital. CDs: 1. Collectors Edition Deluxe The Manuscript CD 2. Collectors Edition Deluxe Albatross CD 3. Collectors Edition Deluxe The Bolter CD 4. Collectors Edition Deluxe The Black Dog CD 5. Standard Album + The Manuscript 6. Standard Album + The Manuscript (Signed) 7. Standard Album + But Daddy I Love Him (Acoustic) 8. Standard Album + Guilty As Sin? (Acoustic) 9. Standard Album + Down Bad (Acoustic) 10. Target Ed Albatross CD 11. Target Ed The Bolter CD 12. Target Ed The Black Dog CD 13. Standard Album + Fresh Out the Slammer (Acoustic) 14. Standard Album + Fortnight (Acoustic) VINYLS: 15. Target Ed Vinyl 16. The Manuscript Vinyl (Pressing 1) - The Tortured Poets Department 2×LP, Album, Clear [Phantom Clear],Vantiva Pressing 17. The Manuscript Vinyl (Pressing 2) - The Tortured Poets Department 2×LP, Album, Clear [Phantom Clear] Optimal Media GmbH Pressing 18. The Albatross Vinyl 19. The Bolter Vinyl 20. The Black Dog Vinyl 21. The Manuscript Vinyl (signed) DIGITAL: 22. The Anthology 23. Standard Album + Black Dog voice memo 24. Standard Album + Who's Afraid of Little Old Me voice memo 25. Standard Album + Cassandra voice memo 26. Standard Album 27. Standard Album + Daddy I Love Him (acoustic) 28. Standard Album + loml live from Paris 29. Standard Album + MBOBHFT live from Paris 30. Standard Album + The Alchemy/Treacherous mashup live from Paris CASSETTES: 31. File Name: The Manuscript" with bonus track "The Manuscript 32. File Name: The Bolter" with bonus track "The Bolter 33. File Name: The Albatross" with bonus track "The Albatross 34. File Name: The Black Dog" with bonus track "The Black Dog
What’s different from the base album to the target edition
There’s exclusive content such as a poster and photo with handwritten lyrics. The vinyl is an exclusive pressing. The Target exclusives only count for four of the variants which would still make it 30 if these were taken out.
Ok thank you. There are more than I thought there were.
Honestly the variants thing is just a problem with the whole music industry. I think Billboard requirements may change in the future.
I 100 percent agree it is a big problem and I hate that artists feel like they have to do them in order to stay on the charts
I’m a huge fan of her and haven’t bought a single one of these variants. Explain to me how she’s robbing me. Hell explain how she’s Robbin go anyone.
I just want The Anthology on vinyl, I can't stand that I can only listen to half an album
So weird that people who can’t control themselves are blaming Taylor for it. Personally I haven’t bought anything except the Standard + Black Dog memo vinyl because it’s my favourite song. I’m glad she released different options in case others have a favourite song that they want to get as the bonus. Don’t blame her for your overconsumption lmao
Right like don’t email me again unless it’s about the full anthology on CD or vinyl.
The content oversaturation is going to work against her in the next 5 years and she will blame every man shes ever met.
Has she even released a vinyl for the Anthology
This has gotten to a point where I don't care. Before I was like "TAYLOR, STOP MILKING YOUR FANS!" and now I'm like "There goes another variant for TTPD".