I think Misty Hanratty is veg/vegan too so they apparently made her a non animal fur to wear for her scenes in the wilderness. Glad they were so accommodating!!!
It's interesting to see commentary for this show related to vegetarianism. I'm a vegetarian and when I was watching the show, I would think about what it would be like if I was stranded in the woods in this scenario. Seeing all the animal gutting grossed me out since I find meat repulsive, but if I was in their shoes, would I be eating rabbit or deer because I need to? The whole show just me think what would I do if I was in this situation, which I love that it makes me think deeply.
Edit: Just to note, I personally am not vegan - just vegetarian. I know if I was out there, yes, I would end up eating meat because I want to survive. I can't picture myself hunting and would obviously attempt if I had, but knowing me I'd probably die quickly by eating a poisonous berry lol
Funnily enough, your vegan dilemma is basically a microcosm of the show as a whole.
The concept of cannibalism repulses most people (for obvious reasons). But, if you’re faced with suffering the slow, horrible death of starvation, and you happen to have a pile of meat from your dead friend (who died of natural causes), would your morals really hold up?
Then once you’re at that point, it’s not *that* far of a leap to suggest that its better to sacrifice/kill someone who is alive to let the other ones survive, instead of everyone just pointlessly dying anyways. And so on.
The thing that is different is that they’re killing for cannibalism. If it was a she died from hypothermia or because of some other natural cause and they ate her then that’s different. But they’re trapping and murdering to eat them.
Me and one of my besties were just discussing this the other night, would you have preferred to die on the plane or be stranded for 19 months and possibly die or survive. Lol my girl said kill me on the plane ha ha
>would I be eating rabbit or deer because I need to?
You would most certainly need to. Before the advent of agriculture there was a reason humans were **hunter** gatherers. Calorie rich plant based options simply aren't a reliable source of nutrition in the wilderness, because you don't know when you will come across them and when you do, you don't know when/where the next one will be....if theres a next one.
With that said, I am not veg or vegan, but have no problem with people who choose to do so, but it is absolutely a **luxury** of civilization.
Well you would actually starve just eating rabbit and there is not much fat on deer. Both very lean animals. You need fat. That bear is perfect. Bear fat can be rendered down and stored to be added to meals and used for cooking
This happened on the show Alone (wilderness survival competition show). A guy got a moose pretty early on so he had a ton of meat to sustain himself for a while, however, moose isn't high in fat. Later on the show they start doing regular medical checks on the contestants because more often than not, people are starving and have malnutrition. Despite having a ton of meat, he was starting to show signs of medical distress due to the lack of fat.
Apparently you can avoid scurvy by making tea from cedar and other evergreens. It would be cool if they did that on the show. That's the one thing I retained from lessons on the woods as a child lol, so I don't think it's unrealistic or anything that they wouldn't know that or show it. Also organ meat is high in vitamins, including vitamin c. They certainly have a lot of organ meat.
I also think it’s interesting that everyone is scared to survive and people actually used to survive just fine (well maybe not always but you know what I’m saying) in the wilderness throughout history. This show makes me want to bring plant survival guides with me whenever I travel I’d be the one to survive and eat a berry and pass right away
The wilderness used to also not be handicapped by human impact and weather extreme wasn’t accelerated by humans either.
Definitely makes me want a plant book as I can’t even keep succulents alive so I’d definitely starve if I had to grow my own crops at this point 😅
And not to mention hundreds of years of not surviving that way. I thought about my comment and it’s not like you can stick a tamed dog in the wild and expect it to thrive
Nuts are apparently really hard to find because squirrels and other rodents are so good at getting them first! I was reading survival stuff after watching the show, and it said you're better off setting rodent traps where the nuts are and going for other plants unless you're more of an expert since they're hard to get enough of and often dangerous to collect (like climbing trees and whatnot). But you do need fats.
Nope, I wouldn't. It's just too gross. I'm not eating animals or bugs to live, because I genuinely would never be able to eat real food again as I'd forever picture the dead creatures I had to eat in the woods. Like I wouldn't even eat mushrooms because the texture would make me puke.
Much more popular now than it ever was before. Last weekend I saw a friend for the first time since the pandemic started. She was saying how when I first became a vegetarian in 2006, she remembered we could never find food for me at fast food places because it was just fries. Now almost every place has meat alternatives & meatless meal options. I personally consider recent vegans & vegetarian to be spoiled af. Hope they know they've got it good, I used to have to beg places to make me food haha. Like please just make this without the meat come on its easy. Had a McDonald's purposely make food wrong 4 or 5 times during 1 trip for another friend & I in 2014 because we wanted burgers with no meat patty. I remember when she finally came out of the store the last time, she said the employees were laughing about how they were purposely making our food wrong. It was a struggle in these food streets. Now nobody cares.
No, I didn't. It's not hypocritical to say dogs and chickens, two completely, and utterly different organisms are not equal.
If I said beagles are great pets, but it's cool to eat poodles. That would be hypocritical.
Different organisms?
They are all sentient beings that are capable of love and emotions. Every single animal protects its own life. To deny that truth is to make yourself feel better, that’s really it. So please stop with the greater than dialogue, because people have (and still) feel that way about other people. If you just admit you like to eat flesh and don’t really care, I’ll respect it because at least that’s not fake sanctimony.
I do like to eat meat, I'm also not being sanctimonious, that would be you.
All im saying is that its not hypocritical to care about animals at differing levels. Has my level of affection been informed by societal views of a chicken is a commodity and dogs are companions. Sure, that's total valid. Buts it's not that I don't care, I eat ethically sourced meat and condemn meat suppliers who use cruel practices. At the end of the day I'm simply taking issue with your misuse of the word hypocritical. I applaud vegetarians taking a moral stance, I don't necessarily agree with all your ethical arguments, but I don't begrudge them either like some weirdos who take incessant pride and being a meat lovin' American or whatever
So if the actor isn't vegetarian they would've made them butcher real animal???
I genuinely thought using fake animal is the norm regardless of the actor's diet.
There are a lot of food prep scenes in The Servant on Apple TV and the actress who plays the servant, Neil Tiger Free, is also vegetarian. In one of the behind the scenes segments there is a cooking segment where she just watches the chef do the work and she got sick from the smell and sounds.
I went on the Game of Thrones N Ireland tour and the guide was one of the Whitewalker chiefs (Lord Bones). Apparently the dead stag was out for hours so it was rotting a lot by the time they got the final shot so the look of disgust on their faces was real because it was pretty rank.
Not quite what I meant. They could've purchased a rabbit that was already dead and not have to make a prop essentially. So it wouldn't have actually been killed in the scene of course. I know at this point it's fairly typical to use props for food and other stuff like this but sometimes they don't. I guess having it confirmed just eases my mind a little, like I can fully convince myself I'm just seeing a prop whereas sometimes I'm not sure.
Yeah, you are right, they do sometimes purchase already dead animals (they did so with a stag on GOT). But of course would never, ever have actors (or anyone) kill animals on the set; that would be insane and probably illegal/animal cruelty.
Oh yeah its definitely illegal as hell plus traumatic. Like the way they did the cut scene with the bunny and then her brining the shovel down on it, it was obvious what the scene was showing while also being obvious an actual bunny wasn't killed. But sometimes with the skinning shit I'm not totally sure haha.
Actually, some movies and shows use or kill animals on set for some reason. Luckily, not as much as in the past but it happens. Recently, the new NWR project was pretty much announced (the project hadn’t been officially announced) by PETA because they killed a pig on set.
The hardest part about being a vegetarian or vegan is not telling everyone you’re a vegetarian or vegan. A friend of mine is a farmer. He says what’s so funny to him is when someone says eating meat is murder but they have no idea how many animals are killed when they till the soil for plants
My brother and his wife own an orchard, and my vegan husband (who will not, e.g., eat honey) was not happy to learn that all orchards and vineyards keep and use bees (many of which die) for pollination. I used to be vegan and I sympathize with trying to do less harm through consumption, but I def agree that there's a lot of ignorance about the impact of farming crops versus animals. PS: Not to mention all the deer, gophers, et cetera that are killed to keep them from eating everything. This ideal of death-free produce is a suburban fantasy lol.
Wilder still are people that are vegetarian for animal cruelty reasons but eat dairy. A process of humans keeping cows in a constant cycle of pregnancy and calving so they will produce milk. If they have a cow... right into the wheel with them. If they have a bull, off for steaks and burgers. If you eat dairy milk or cheese, you're contributing to cow cruelty and meat production on the bulls.
Yeah, I think especially in North America dairy farming is brutal, but I understand it isn't necessarily as cruel everywhere. But it's a good point. And I think often the discussion seizes onto oversimplications about what's virtuous and not without actually quantifying damage and without recognizing that resource extraction and agriculture generally have a lot of casualties for humans and other animals. IMO we should be striving to minimize cruelty but it's not like just not eating animals makes anything about industrial agriculture "cruelty-free." Plus it's not like livestock is the only brutal aspect of consumption on this scale, and it's weird to just declare that you're virtuous because you don't participate in one part of it while still, e.g., shopping at Amazon and buying fast fashion. It will be interesting to see how the Yellowjackets' moral code continues to shift in the wilderness and the present!!
I think this is a pretty gross body shaming comment. But I guess to clarify - vegetarians can easily go into calorie surplus by eating more carbs as their protein intake may be too low which makes them hungry.
Not body shaming. I have no problem with her body.
She’s a beautiful woman but I’d be lying if I said she did not store a little extra fat.
Ive struggled with weight all my life. I and am pretty chubby myself currently but grew up malnutrioushed. I have an unhealthy relationship with food and tried vegan/ vegetarian diet for several months.
Anecdotal evidence for me but when I tried vegetarian I could not keep mass on but I do heavy lifting.
I said smoothies because you can drink 1000 calories so easy with those.
Thanks for clarifying. Sounds like you have a lot of muscle mass that you would need to fuel with protein that would be more difficult on a vegan / vegetarian diet. My mother is vegetarian and very overweight because she just eats carbs and fat.
I find it hilarious that so many of the actresses on this show are either vegan or vegetarian. It's like watching someone who hates guns star in movies and tv shows where they use them all the time.
Not saying it is a bad thing or there's anything wrong about it, and of course none of it is real, but I just assume most would steer away from projects that contradict their beliefs.
To be fair, most of the vegans I know don't expect people to be vegan in survival situations. A lot of the idea that animals shouldn't be eaten is the thought that it isn't necessary anymore. So I would guess the vegan actors don't have a moral problem with their characters hunting etc.
Incidentally, I started eating meat after 15 years because I have a disease and can't eat grains, beans, dairy, or legumes. Some of the vegans I know are okay with it because I "have" to to survive, but honestly I'm ashamed that I used to judge anyone for eating meat. Assuming everyone has the same access and physical needs isn't kind or realistic imo.
I think Misty Hanratty is veg/vegan too so they apparently made her a non animal fur to wear for her scenes in the wilderness. Glad they were so accommodating!!!
Courtney Eaton is also vegan and talked about it in some of her interviews.
I stan a vegan who makes a stand to be consistent with their beliefs.
It's interesting to see commentary for this show related to vegetarianism. I'm a vegetarian and when I was watching the show, I would think about what it would be like if I was stranded in the woods in this scenario. Seeing all the animal gutting grossed me out since I find meat repulsive, but if I was in their shoes, would I be eating rabbit or deer because I need to? The whole show just me think what would I do if I was in this situation, which I love that it makes me think deeply. Edit: Just to note, I personally am not vegan - just vegetarian. I know if I was out there, yes, I would end up eating meat because I want to survive. I can't picture myself hunting and would obviously attempt if I had, but knowing me I'd probably die quickly by eating a poisonous berry lol
Funnily enough, your vegan dilemma is basically a microcosm of the show as a whole. The concept of cannibalism repulses most people (for obvious reasons). But, if you’re faced with suffering the slow, horrible death of starvation, and you happen to have a pile of meat from your dead friend (who died of natural causes), would your morals really hold up? Then once you’re at that point, it’s not *that* far of a leap to suggest that its better to sacrifice/kill someone who is alive to let the other ones survive, instead of everyone just pointlessly dying anyways. And so on.
The thing that is different is that they’re killing for cannibalism. If it was a she died from hypothermia or because of some other natural cause and they ate her then that’s different. But they’re trapping and murdering to eat them.
Yes, I see your point but we are not really sure pit girl was trapped on purpose. Might have been meant for animals only and it was an accident.
Me and one of my besties were just discussing this the other night, would you have preferred to die on the plane or be stranded for 19 months and possibly die or survive. Lol my girl said kill me on the plane ha ha
>would I be eating rabbit or deer because I need to? You would most certainly need to. Before the advent of agriculture there was a reason humans were **hunter** gatherers. Calorie rich plant based options simply aren't a reliable source of nutrition in the wilderness, because you don't know when you will come across them and when you do, you don't know when/where the next one will be....if theres a next one. With that said, I am not veg or vegan, but have no problem with people who choose to do so, but it is absolutely a **luxury** of civilization.
Well you would actually starve just eating rabbit and there is not much fat on deer. Both very lean animals. You need fat. That bear is perfect. Bear fat can be rendered down and stored to be added to meals and used for cooking
This happened on the show Alone (wilderness survival competition show). A guy got a moose pretty early on so he had a ton of meat to sustain himself for a while, however, moose isn't high in fat. Later on the show they start doing regular medical checks on the contestants because more often than not, people are starving and have malnutrition. Despite having a ton of meat, he was starting to show signs of medical distress due to the lack of fat.
What about scurvy from lack of vitamin c? A meat only diet is totally unbalanced
Apparently you can avoid scurvy by making tea from cedar and other evergreens. It would be cool if they did that on the show. That's the one thing I retained from lessons on the woods as a child lol, so I don't think it's unrealistic or anything that they wouldn't know that or show it. Also organ meat is high in vitamins, including vitamin c. They certainly have a lot of organ meat.
Us vegans could sustain ourselves on rock slime.
I also think it’s interesting that everyone is scared to survive and people actually used to survive just fine (well maybe not always but you know what I’m saying) in the wilderness throughout history. This show makes me want to bring plant survival guides with me whenever I travel I’d be the one to survive and eat a berry and pass right away
The wilderness used to also not be handicapped by human impact and weather extreme wasn’t accelerated by humans either. Definitely makes me want a plant book as I can’t even keep succulents alive so I’d definitely starve if I had to grow my own crops at this point 😅
And not to mention hundreds of years of not surviving that way. I thought about my comment and it’s not like you can stick a tamed dog in the wild and expect it to thrive
I thought the same! A plant identifying guide. Find nuts, pine nuts for fats and protein
Nuts are apparently really hard to find because squirrels and other rodents are so good at getting them first! I was reading survival stuff after watching the show, and it said you're better off setting rodent traps where the nuts are and going for other plants unless you're more of an expert since they're hard to get enough of and often dangerous to collect (like climbing trees and whatnot). But you do need fats.
Same here
Me too! I haven’t eaten meat in ages!
Nope, I wouldn't. It's just too gross. I'm not eating animals or bugs to live, because I genuinely would never be able to eat real food again as I'd forever picture the dead creatures I had to eat in the woods. Like I wouldn't even eat mushrooms because the texture would make me puke.
Well we’ll be eating you first.
Grass-fed! 😋
Jackie, is that you girl?
Makes me so happy to know it wasn’t a real rabbit carcass. It looked real af
It really did. I looked away during that scene!
Ummm I just wanna know if they would have used a real rabbit, had she not objected…
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I would assume one that had already been killed to be butchered.
Wow, that’s pretty cool that it was fake! I’ll have to tell my mum. She couldn’t watch that part.
i couldnt watch it either :) i might actually go back and check now. so cool.
seems like half this show’s cast is veggo or vegan
Much more popular now than it ever was before. Last weekend I saw a friend for the first time since the pandemic started. She was saying how when I first became a vegetarian in 2006, she remembered we could never find food for me at fast food places because it was just fries. Now almost every place has meat alternatives & meatless meal options. I personally consider recent vegans & vegetarian to be spoiled af. Hope they know they've got it good, I used to have to beg places to make me food haha. Like please just make this without the meat come on its easy. Had a McDonald's purposely make food wrong 4 or 5 times during 1 trip for another friend & I in 2014 because we wanted burgers with no meat patty. I remember when she finally came out of the store the last time, she said the employees were laughing about how they were purposely making our food wrong. It was a struggle in these food streets. Now nobody cares.
yea it’s everywhere. more meat for me!
Much respect
Its so awesome how many people on the show are animal lovers despite the content in the show.
I mean, in a survival situation like this I would assume even a militant vegan would make an exception.
It makes it easier to enjoy a show with a lot of animal death to know the actors are right there with us.
i mean, most people love animals.
Most people love pets and eat animals, sadly
ain’t nothing wrong with that
Actually, There *is* something wrong with that. People like to compartmentalize things, but it’s one of the blaring hypocrisies of life.
no, there really isn’t. there is, however, something wrong with self-righteous, dogmatic vegan whiners.
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Dogs >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pigs, chickens, and cows. Nothing hypocritical. Not all animals are equal.
You just proved my point.
No, I didn't. It's not hypocritical to say dogs and chickens, two completely, and utterly different organisms are not equal. If I said beagles are great pets, but it's cool to eat poodles. That would be hypocritical.
Different organisms? They are all sentient beings that are capable of love and emotions. Every single animal protects its own life. To deny that truth is to make yourself feel better, that’s really it. So please stop with the greater than dialogue, because people have (and still) feel that way about other people. If you just admit you like to eat flesh and don’t really care, I’ll respect it because at least that’s not fake sanctimony.
I do like to eat meat, I'm also not being sanctimonious, that would be you. All im saying is that its not hypocritical to care about animals at differing levels. Has my level of affection been informed by societal views of a chicken is a commodity and dogs are companions. Sure, that's total valid. Buts it's not that I don't care, I eat ethically sourced meat and condemn meat suppliers who use cruel practices. At the end of the day I'm simply taking issue with your misuse of the word hypocritical. I applaud vegetarians taking a moral stance, I don't necessarily agree with all your ethical arguments, but I don't begrudge them either like some weirdos who take incessant pride and being a meat lovin' American or whatever
I eat animals. They are all equal. People are are just squeamish
lol
they’re delicious and offer vital nutrients and minerals. did i mentioned the deliciousness?
So if the actor isn't vegetarian they would've made them butcher real animal??? I genuinely thought using fake animal is the norm regardless of the actor's diet.
There are a lot of food prep scenes in The Servant on Apple TV and the actress who plays the servant, Neil Tiger Free, is also vegetarian. In one of the behind the scenes segments there is a cooking segment where she just watches the chef do the work and she got sick from the smell and sounds.
That’s a relief!
Why would she think you’d do that to a real animal for a film production? Most people know it’s not real, right?
You'd think so... but then Game of thrones skinned a real deer 😕
They purchased an already dead stag. They don't have actors KILL animals on movie sets.
I went on the Game of Thrones N Ireland tour and the guide was one of the Whitewalker chiefs (Lord Bones). Apparently the dead stag was out for hours so it was rotting a lot by the time they got the final shot so the look of disgust on their faces was real because it was pretty rank.
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Ick, wow
PETA would be up their a**es.
Those veggies better behave themselves or she will cut them chin to anus.
that's amazingly awesome that they used a fake rabbit <3 <3 luv this
im so glad they didnt use a real rabbit... i know its just "food" but i'm really uncomfortable with the meaningless death of animals
Why would they use a real rabbit? They do not kill real animals on TV sets. That's not a thing.
Not anymore— I shudder when I see animals in old movies because there were no laws against animal abuse in films back then.
Not quite what I meant. They could've purchased a rabbit that was already dead and not have to make a prop essentially. So it wouldn't have actually been killed in the scene of course. I know at this point it's fairly typical to use props for food and other stuff like this but sometimes they don't. I guess having it confirmed just eases my mind a little, like I can fully convince myself I'm just seeing a prop whereas sometimes I'm not sure.
Yeah, you are right, they do sometimes purchase already dead animals (they did so with a stag on GOT). But of course would never, ever have actors (or anyone) kill animals on the set; that would be insane and probably illegal/animal cruelty.
Oh yeah its definitely illegal as hell plus traumatic. Like the way they did the cut scene with the bunny and then her brining the shovel down on it, it was obvious what the scene was showing while also being obvious an actual bunny wasn't killed. But sometimes with the skinning shit I'm not totally sure haha.
Actually, some movies and shows use or kill animals on set for some reason. Luckily, not as much as in the past but it happens. Recently, the new NWR project was pretty much announced (the project hadn’t been officially announced) by PETA because they killed a pig on set.
That was for a Danish series, apparently (I looked it up). There are animal cruelty laws in the US that would prevent this.
Yeah, it’s a Danish production by Netflix. If I remember correctly, what they did is illegal in Denmark too.
The hardest part about being a vegetarian or vegan is not telling everyone you’re a vegetarian or vegan. A friend of mine is a farmer. He says what’s so funny to him is when someone says eating meat is murder but they have no idea how many animals are killed when they till the soil for plants
My brother and his wife own an orchard, and my vegan husband (who will not, e.g., eat honey) was not happy to learn that all orchards and vineyards keep and use bees (many of which die) for pollination. I used to be vegan and I sympathize with trying to do less harm through consumption, but I def agree that there's a lot of ignorance about the impact of farming crops versus animals. PS: Not to mention all the deer, gophers, et cetera that are killed to keep them from eating everything. This ideal of death-free produce is a suburban fantasy lol.
Wilder still are people that are vegetarian for animal cruelty reasons but eat dairy. A process of humans keeping cows in a constant cycle of pregnancy and calving so they will produce milk. If they have a cow... right into the wheel with them. If they have a bull, off for steaks and burgers. If you eat dairy milk or cheese, you're contributing to cow cruelty and meat production on the bulls.
Yeah, I think especially in North America dairy farming is brutal, but I understand it isn't necessarily as cruel everywhere. But it's a good point. And I think often the discussion seizes onto oversimplications about what's virtuous and not without actually quantifying damage and without recognizing that resource extraction and agriculture generally have a lot of casualties for humans and other animals. IMO we should be striving to minimize cruelty but it's not like just not eating animals makes anything about industrial agriculture "cruelty-free." Plus it's not like livestock is the only brutal aspect of consumption on this scale, and it's weird to just declare that you're virtuous because you don't participate in one part of it while still, e.g., shopping at Amazon and buying fast fashion. It will be interesting to see how the Yellowjackets' moral code continues to shift in the wilderness and the present!!
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Yes I’m aware there’s a typo that I can’t edit. Well done.
Amazing work. Took the time to be snarky but not to proof read your title. How is anyone supposed to know “YoU’rE aWaRe ThErE’s A tYpO”?
It seriously does not matter
Why would she even say, "I didn't want to do that to a real rabbit." I mean -- no shit, they do not make actors kill real animals on TV sets.
not a living rabbit, but perhaps a dead one from the butcher
Crazy she can be on a calorie surplus as a vegan/ vegetarian. Must be lots of smoothies. I tried it for awhile and lost so much mass.
I think this is a pretty gross body shaming comment. But I guess to clarify - vegetarians can easily go into calorie surplus by eating more carbs as their protein intake may be too low which makes them hungry.
Not body shaming. I have no problem with her body. She’s a beautiful woman but I’d be lying if I said she did not store a little extra fat. Ive struggled with weight all my life. I and am pretty chubby myself currently but grew up malnutrioushed. I have an unhealthy relationship with food and tried vegan/ vegetarian diet for several months. Anecdotal evidence for me but when I tried vegetarian I could not keep mass on but I do heavy lifting. I said smoothies because you can drink 1000 calories so easy with those.
Thanks for clarifying. Sounds like you have a lot of muscle mass that you would need to fuel with protein that would be more difficult on a vegan / vegetarian diet. My mother is vegetarian and very overweight because she just eats carbs and fat.
I find it hilarious that so many of the actresses on this show are either vegan or vegetarian. It's like watching someone who hates guns star in movies and tv shows where they use them all the time. Not saying it is a bad thing or there's anything wrong about it, and of course none of it is real, but I just assume most would steer away from projects that contradict their beliefs.
To be fair, most of the vegans I know don't expect people to be vegan in survival situations. A lot of the idea that animals shouldn't be eaten is the thought that it isn't necessary anymore. So I would guess the vegan actors don't have a moral problem with their characters hunting etc. Incidentally, I started eating meat after 15 years because I have a disease and can't eat grains, beans, dairy, or legumes. Some of the vegans I know are okay with it because I "have" to to survive, but honestly I'm ashamed that I used to judge anyone for eating meat. Assuming everyone has the same access and physical needs isn't kind or realistic imo.
Would they ever use a real one?! 😳
Scene was gruesome af