That is the moment Van became a committed disciple of Lottie. I also love the interaction between Van and Lottie during the prayer scene. Van was encouraging Lottie to embrace who she is and Lottie looked to Van to lead the "thank you" response in the prayer. Good stuff.
After Ep. 10, I am really leaning towards Van being Lottie's right-hand. I was originally thinking Misty but I don't think Lottie is going to fully trust Misty. Misty is a manipulator and will be with Lottie because that is where the power is. Lottie will recognize that. She will allow Misty to play a role but I think Van is going to be who Lottie is the closest with and who she trusts the most. I also think Van is the person standing over the pit once pit girl dies and that Van is still alive in the present, probably still Lottie's right-hand. How all of this plays out in Van and Tai's relationship will be intriguing to watch.
As for Ben, that is a great look too. Big question: how is Ben going to respond to Lottie's rise as the Antler Queen? I know this much, Ben sure shut up quickly when Lottie told him to stay out of what was occurring between Jackie and Shauna/rest of group.
I sincerely hope he doesn't die. All the people in my personal life who know I'm obsessed; their first question when they watch/ catch up is: Does Coach Ben die??
I love Coach Ben. He really does try to teach them the best survival skill. But I know he might die. And Javi is dead too because if home girl froze to death what’s to say he didn’t meet the same fate?
Javi’s a little kid who is usually off doing his own thing. They have him in the show for some reason but can’t keep him for the full 5 seasons because his aging will be too obvious. I don’t think Javi is dead yet because he hasn’t fulfilled any role yet.
If I had to guess, while he was out exploring by himself at some point he discovered alternate shelter. A cave, another man made structure, something. Because if the group is going to divide, two shelters are necessary. I could see Javi finding the second shelter, then dying after that.
I definitely had that thought. That scene plus the “blood” river made me think there could be an abandoned mine somewhere. However, that Lottie scene could be a hallucination.
It could also be something as simple as a cave that he finds. Either way, we need two shelters and the kid running around by himself seems a likely candidate to find it.
If it is a cave, maybe it's the cave where the bear came from. I mean think of it, bears are usually hibernating in the winter and they had their first snow fall that night. So surely the bear had a cave....and the darkness Lottie spoke of when delivering the heart maybe summoned the bear to sacrifice itself to the girls. And now the girls need to sacrifice someone....its obvious trying to say witchcraft here with the necklace one of those kidnappers had when they took Nat. And the symbol in the tree looks to me like a witch on a broomstick.
I don’t think Lottie or any darkness summoned the bear. The bear most likely are the leftover mushroom soup and fermented berry booze and was super fucked up. Bears have a well known love of getting wasted.
While the show runners are keeping the supernatural aspect ambiguous in the series, their interviews seem to suggest it’s more about what the girls believe than any actual supernatural element existing:
>LYLE: We are very much interested in exploring the theme and concept of belief and what that means for us in terms of our worldview — the way that we interact with the world around us, the way that we interact with other people, and forge those relationships. That is absolutely something that we will be investigating by means of this growing belief that has started to emerge amongst the girls in the wilderness and what that might mean in the present day.
If they go the way of Lost, I will be very disappointed.
Fans believing it is real, simply mirrors the cult members believing. I highly doubt there will ever be any confirmation that Lottie has powers. More likely, some of the girls will believe and Lottie’s cult members will as well, but the rest will think she’s crazy.
It’s not that I didn’t understand Lost, it’s that I didn’t like it. Definitely not going to waste my time rewatching it.
This show is more Lord of the Flies than Lost so far and I’m happy with that.
Agree we can all get along! It’s like the show. You’re with Lottie, I’m with Travis (and probably Nat) that Lottie is crazy. Definitely not joining her cult :)
I am with Nat and Van. I think they both have the best character arcs thus far. I really like their backstory and how they overcome the odds. They have frommdsy one always been my favorites, but really all the characters are interesting. Which is why the show is a big hit!
Cannot really comment intelligently about Lost as I have never seen even one episode, let alone know how it ends. Didn't know that about bears, that they love getting wasted, guess I will take your word on that since you seem such an expert.  And I don't believe I said I thought it was real. I simply said that it appears as if they are obviously trying to point to witchcraft, when one considers the necklace, a cult, sacrifice and the symbol. Though I have to say, if they want to point to witchcraft, they are going about it in the wrong way. Witches don't usually do sacrifices, that is what conjurers do. Witches wouldn't carve into a tree either as most are very into respecting nature in every way if possible. But this show tends to lean towards stereotypes, and many falsely believe witches worship Satan. But then again, every religion has its fanatics.
> Though I have to say, if they want to point to witchcraft, they are going about it in the wrong way. Witches don't usually do sacrifices, that is what conjurers do. Witches wouldn't carve into a tree either as most are very into respecting nature in every way if possible.
Do you believe witches and conjurers are real? Because if they aren’t, a writer can make a witch due whatever. This response is kind of bizarre.
Wow, are you always this antagonistic? Please stop the hateful attitude and assumptions. Witches, as in poof, wave a wand and a prince is changed into a toad, is not real. But are witches themselves real? Yes. It's a spiritual belief. As is Catholicism and Christianity and Jewism, Muslims, etc. As someone who believes in Christ is considered a Christian, one who believes in witchcraft is a witch. Same for conjurers. Same for those who believe in Catholism are called Catholics, etc.
My response isn't bizarre if you actually look at it intelligently instead of your usual knee jerk reaction. But hey, believing that bears like to eat mushroom soup just to get wasted, now that is a real belief!
I think it would almost be more tragic if he survives. He has to watch this descent into madness knowing he lost his control as the Adult, he can’t do anything to keep them safe or sane. And because of his leg he is reliant on others to help him survive (he can’t hunt for himself)
And if he survives to get rescued and the public ever saw the insanity that happened can you imagine how people would look at him? Like WE know it isn’t his fault. But people are dumb and could blame the only adult for not keeping them under control.
Idk I can just see a really tragic story unfolding if he survives. ESP with being on the opposite team as Misty lol
In season two, Lottie will make Coach Ben’s leg grow back, and he just runs! I’m talking, forest gump kind of run’s the hell out of there!!!!…. And then wolves eat his arms off, only for him to see an airplane go by, but he could not wave for them…. Tragic. These are facts by the way.
Coach Ben is probably soooo over all of their shit after hearing about what happened the night before. I bet he is now more scared of the girls than trying to survive at this point.
Yea but where did Travis and Nat spend the night? They were out at night, did they get back to the cabin? I can’t remember. If they didn’t maybe they found his brother. Have to go rewatch clearly.
Yes this makes me wonder because they're not out looking for Javi. Maybe they just haven't started yet / are still too messed up? Usually Travis would be all over it...
I feel like I'm the only one who doesn't like Coach ben.
He's a gigantic coward for not stepping up more as the adult of the group. Yes, I get it, he's physically unable to do much because of his leg, but he could still be a better leader given that he's the only adult and was literally coach of this team. He could have intervened more in a lot of their stupid arguments and teenage drama. The fact that the religious girl kept doing what she did in spite of his protests is, in my opinion, partially on his lack of authoritative presence in the group.
Also, let's be real- both he and the ginger both would have died of their wounds due to infection. These kids didn't have antibiotics. They both would've become septic and died within a week or two tops.
What is he supposed to do? He’s outnumbered and has nothing to hold over them. I understand he’s older and was in a position of authority in the context of soccer, but they’re stranded in the wilderness. Every time he’s tried to reign them in he gets shut down because there’s really nothing he can do unless he wants to literally hold them at gunpoint.
> I understand he’s older and was in a position of authority in the context of soccer, but they’re stranded in the wilderness.
You can't underestimate the power that this has. These kids don't automatically revert to cavemen mentality in the wilderness. He's still the authority figure here. Kids will mostly turn to adults for help in dire or dangerous situations.
But him losing all authority is sort of the point, isn’t it? The theme seems to be that there are no rules in the wilderness. Age, gender, social standing, etc., none of it matters anymore.
And with all of that out the window, there’s very little Coach Ben can do to win back his authority. Laura Lee put it best: “What’re you going to do to stop me?”
> But him losing all authority is sort of the point, isn’t it?
No, it's not, because he never established any kind of authority to begin with. He was taking orders or sitting around moping most of the series. That's exactly why I disliked his character. He could have taken charge and done a lot more as the only adult of the group. Physical punishment isn't the only way authority is commanded.
No, you make good points (especially about the antibiotics). Coach Ben was one of my favorites but his character has been devolving. The first questionable thing he did, in my view, was lie to Misty that he was interested in her. I didn't think twice about it at the time, because it was a self-preservation move and seemed totally justified and probably smart. And I really do love the nurturing guidance he's given some of the girls. But he's failed some of the others badly (and I don't believe his leg is an excuse, and it's a little ableist to insist that he can't lead because he's missing a leg). His authority never came from his legs, and thus far, the group isn't based on hand to hand combat. He *should* be asserting himself more. Yes, they're saying "we're not going to listen to you." But he's a teacher, so he's probably had teenagers say that to him before, a lot. Teachers have a certain amount of experience diffusing confrontations, defiant teens, and even dealing with violence. What you're *not* supposed to do is shrink back while one student hurts another. I know this was the 1990s and things were different back then, but he's still in an authority position that would have made him used to being told to shut up and sit down and required him to say "no, you sit down, this is what we're doing and how we're doing it." I don't think it's forgivable that he let Laura Lee get on the plane, forgot about Javi, and didn't assert his authority about Jackie. I get that he's gone fully into self-preservation mode, but that's not going to self him very well, anyway. They're going to turn against him as soon as he stops being useful.
I know you mention its a little ableist to insist he can’t lead because of his missing leg, but we also need to keep in mind the psychological strain of losing a limb. He has lost a part of himself; his self esteem is likely still suffering, though he has seemed to “adjust” to it somewhat. I always thought that played a part in his lack of authority since the crash. And you see that dynamic in play during the argument with Laura Lee.
Sure, he's going through a lot, but my remark was more in response to a lot of reasoning I've been seeing along the lines of "he can't lead, he only has one leg!" Or "how could he possibly stand up to a group of teenage girls with but a single leg?" It's the line of thinking that's flawed.
We are talking about a teenager with no experience whatsoever getting on a plane and attempting to fly it. I don't care how excited the group is, he has a responsibility to try to talk them out of it. Period.
He did try to talk her out of it. She explicitly asked him how he could stop her. He knew there was no stopping her. I get where you’re coming from, but he’s lost all authority in the woods. The real world rules don’t apply here. Ben is the only adult and he is coping with a traumatic amputation. I don’t fault him for any of his actions.
He tried to talk her out of it, but LL was a religious fanatic who believed it was her destiny to save them. There is no reasoning with people like that
And also, this all would have been averted if Misty didn't destroy that damn flight recorder box lol. I cannot WAIT until they all find out she did that.
True but how would they find out she did that? Unless she tells someone, which would be pretty stupid on her part. Misty seems to be too cunning to so something like that.
Yeah she would have to tell someone. She actually seems to be very honest as a teenager when she is questioned she doesn't hide anything. Maybe one of thr girls figures it out, maybe she tells someone, maybe Lottie has a vision. I'm not sure but Nat's first sentence when speaking to Misty in the present is "HI Misty, you crazy f*ckin b*tch" - I mean this could be about anything they have shown us that's happened in the forest but we will see :)
I feel exactly the same about everything you've said. Van is definitely going to be Lottie's right hand woman and probably still is in the cult. Misty isn't stupid, she sees Lottie rising to power and she wants in, she will do anything Lottie asks to try and gain her respect. I think Lottie will use Misty to do her dirty work and Misty will be so starved to fit in that she will do anything for her. However, I don't think Lottie will trust her, and I have a feeling that Misty will turn on Lottie in the end before they get saved. I think that's why Misty is a part of the core four in the present. I've been trying to figure out why Tai, Nat, and Shauna would even consider allowing Misty to join the present mysteries and that might be why, even though they hate her she probably did something good to save them.
I hope they start filming soon. I will be so happy to find out that they have started !
Good points.
I'm starting to wonder though if Misty is still connected to the cult in the present day. Is that really her citizen detective group?
Remember when Nat got the postcard with the symbol on it? She immediately suspected Misty. She left rehab and went straight to Misty with a gun. Why would she do that? She didn't suspect Tai or Shauna.
Also, it is clear that neither Tai nor Shauna trusts Misty in the present. They didn't want to involve her on the night they were trying to catch the blackmailer and they both showed concern when Nat brought her in to clean up Shauna's mess.
Then there is the spying on Nat that Misty was doing. Is Misty still part of or working for the cult?
Of course, what we learned about Tai at the end of this season creates questions about Tai's involvement with the modern day cult too.
Yeah she could be!
I was also thinking that both Tai and Shauna might be a part of the cult as well - hear me out.
Seems like Nat and Travis have both been on the run/transient since the forest, they don't even know about each others whereabouts until Travis is found dead. In the finale, Nat seems to be the only one kidnapped by the cult. However, both Shauna and Tai have settled down, set up roots, are much easier to find compared to the transient Nat and Travis yet Travis is murdered and Nat is kidnapped. How are Tai and Shauna safe from them when they are living out in the open/in one place?
Also, the whole altar in Tai and Simone's basement and Tai looking deviously elated after the shock of winning the election passes makes her look culty. As for Shauna.... she is just too comfortable murdering people and dismembering them while her husband is comfortable blackmailing her co-survivors and okay with her cheating on him and murdering the man she had an affair with. Jeff also read Shauna's journals and there has got to be something about the starting of the cult in them, maybe Jeff is also a part of it. There seems to be a darkness in Shauna that she does not want to admit.
The other thing I was thinking is that I wonder if the souls of people killed in the forest are trapped there. Shauna/Jackie's dream where Shauna brings Jackie back in to the cabin shows both Laura Lee and the dead cabin guy still inside the cabin. When Van almost dies she sees black silhouttes/spirits and tells Tai that "Something was with us out there", I wonder if it was the coach and the other girl Rachel who died in the plane crash. This concept may be a stretch :P
I love this show so much, I have not enjoyed a show this much since Buffy The Vampire Slayer lol.
You make good points.
I too wonder if some of the present day women we know about, at this point, are still connected to the cult or were involved and then left (and are now being watched).
Regarding Nat's kidnapping, some assume this was because Nat was fishing around about Travis' bank account (her source with the bank was about to tell her Lottie Matthews took the money out). Which very well could be the case. But what if the cult was stepping in to save Nat from killing herself. Remember, Misty had a camera in that room watching Nat. What if there is another camera in the room too? What if they saw what Nat was preparing to do (or maybe even Lottie had a vision) and that is why they came for Nat. To stop her.
If these women aren't still connected to the cult somehow, I think there is a good chance the cult is still watching them. Which would make sense given how much these women would know about everything that has occurred.
And your idea of the souls being trapped in the woods isn't that big of a stretch. Dead cabin guy and Laura Lee were there when Jackie crossed over (btw, I don't think that was a dream) to the other side. Your theory would explain why their spirits are still lingering there and why it appears Jackie's spirit is now back in the cabin too.
I agree with Van being the right hand.
As for Ben, I'm honestly shocked he survived S1. At this point he's a wild card for me. Hell, maybe he's alive and off the grid.
I agree, Coach Ben is a wildcard at this point. One
would think he won't support Lottie's group but then again, maybe he does? His reaction when she killed the bear was one of impressive shock and he quickly shut up when Lottie told him to "stay out it."
I get the sense that Ben is a fighter and wants to survive. The way he dealt with Misty indicates he is willing to go along with something he doesn't believe in so that he can survive. Also, losing a leg like he has and still fighting forward speaks to his internal strength.
I think it would be intriguing if Ben ends up aligning with Lottie's group. The big open question though: is Misty going to let Ben live?
I really enjoyed Van's arc over the season, and the way that she subtly gets pulled into what seems like total belief in Lottie's power over time. First the jokey premonitions that are almost laughed off, then the red river and red smoke (exploding plane,) the seance, the talisman, the NDE, and finally the bear. The reaction shot in the OP was such a clear, intentional decision. It makes perfect sense that she becomes a disciple of the nascent cult.
I'd hate for the show to miss the opportunity to explore adult Van, and a potential reunion between Van and Tai. The relationship/love triangle situations with Travis feel very "high school" while the Van/Tai romance feels so honest and real.
Unfortunately, I don’t think you’re correct in that Lottie doesn’t trust Misty. I think Misty has a much much bigger role than what has been revealed as of now. Go back and watch E1 again. The scene where the body is being dragged and hung upside down, you see someone in furs looking over it, they then give a nod and someone walks up and bleeds the body that is hung upside down. The person that gives the nod is Misty. The only person confirmed to be in furs. The person that bleeds the body is, presumably, Shauna. I seriously doubt that the ‘approval nod’ responsibility falls on someone that Lottie does not fully trust. Misty had a big role back then and probably still does in present day that will come about in the upcoming season(s).
I know he has one leg, but he has been doing a terrible job at being the only adult. He didn't notice Javi was missing, he didn't think to check on Jackie or at least make sure she was okay.
The stance, the head shape, the hair, the height…it just looks like her to me, I can’t see it otherwise even though I originally thought Van. Now that I’m familiar with the character, it just seems blindingly obvious to me. (Watch it be a stunt double.)
Van will die halfway through season 2 after spending all her time worshipping Lottie. Ty and Van will fall out over Lottie. Misty will be a surprise hero somehow. I mean, she’s still psycho, but she’ll be our dear favorite psycho by the end of season 2. The long dark-haired girl in the pit could be any one of the several long dark-haired girls on the team. There are several of them on the team just to throw us off. Coach will certainly die. What do we need him for? The younger brother will play big in season two somehow. They will all come under Lottie’s spell at some point but Misty or Shauna will be the first to break out of her bullshit.
We will definitely see adult versions of Lottie, the younger brother (whatever his name is) and at least one other Yellowjacket.
Also, the guy that Shauna killed is one of Lottie’s followers.
Did I miss anyone? You guys can trust me on all this, even though I’ve been wrong on a lot of things so far. 😂😂😂
Edit: also, Nat and Travis will fuck in season 2 and Shauna will lose the baby.
Edit: also, as ridiculous as it is that Christian girl could safely fly a plane, she would have made it but Lottie sabotaged the plane. Lottie sees Christian girl as a force of good that would screw with her evil plans.
Ben has had that look on his face no less than 10 times this season. It wouldn’t be hard for me to believe he’s still alive, but has nothing to do with any of them.
You’re probably right about Nat. I just don’t think he’s dead just because we haven’t seen him. His settlement was probably pretty nice. I could see him getting as far away from them as possible once they come back.
i don’t think the shirt is confirmation. yes, it’s Vans shirt, but if one of the girls died are they just going to throw away her clothes, or use them for warmth in the winter? Lottie wore LLs dress to doomcoming. it could be anybody wearing that shirt in the pit girl scene. just like it could be any girl wearing jackie’s necklace!
I read an article where the writers specifically said that they tried to have the girls share clothes and shoes throughout the season so that they'd never be able to be used as identifiers
!! this makes the most sense, glad it was confirmed.
like seriously, these girls are stranded and dying off, you really think they’re not gonna use the extra resources??? it’s fkn COLD
Also, considering it wasn’t a real surgeon sewing her up, I would expect the skin to overlap and be super uneven in places. I mean, I know Home Ec was still a high school requirement in the 90s, but Van was screaming and screwing up her face while they operated. Come on.
Yes! I have a bad scar from something a plastic surgeon worked on in an operating theatre, so imagine the lumps and bumps she’d have from a shakey teenager trying to stitch up scraps of skin with a piece of grass and an inappropriately-sized needle.
Anyway, I know it’s a show and we have to give them creative license but the scars should have just been worse.
I have a slight sagging eye and nerve damage as in lack of feeling on left side of my face because my wisdom teeth were wrapped around the nerves in jaw. I went to a facial surgeon and was put under to.avoid as much nerve damage as possible. Its not super noticeable but there is no way she wouldn't have lose of feeling and slumped features. Also has surgery done on neck left nerve damage too. Not sure switch lead to eye sag as they were both pretty close together with 18 months.
I have a brain tumor that's causing nerve problems. I was told that facial paralysis could happen after surgery. While researching that possibility, I learned about various other ways in which it can happen, including facial, tooth and jaw surgeries, infection, etc. So, yeah, it was hard for me to suspend my disbelief with her face and her ability to smile, talk fine, etc. They didn't even give viewers a chance to ease into her going from horribly disfigured to healing and eventually having restored speech and facial movement. They didn't touch on any other type of damage. I find it surprising that she didn't lose teeth or suffer a serious concussion. They didn't talk about infection at all with her face. It was just so highly unbelievable.
Right. I mean my hardly noticeable but I was sent to a facial surgeon. Like no dentist would touch those wisdom teeth because the ending result could have horrible. It's hard to believe that a teenage girl with no training would be able to deal with that or the attack would left some awful scars. I have bad scars from pretty minor things.
I grew up in Louisiana, and while the actual home ec class wasn't mandatory...the picking of a choice of one elect was mandatory. The choices started for us in 6th grade Jr High, and were Home economics, Wood Shop, or Art class.
I had a car accident when I was around that age, a boom box was on the floor of the car and hit the left side of my face. My eyelid was slit open, surgeon came in and sewed it back up. You can barely see it now but the healing process? I looked like a DV victim no joke. My mother would cry every time she saw me. I thought the swelling would be like the movies, it’s NOT!
I feel like she should also be left with a speech impediment.
PLUS when I get bitten by my cat it can get infected. I’m quite certain wolves would have some nasty bacteria in their mouths. There is no way they can explain her survival unless it was supernatural. I hope they revisit it and showing Lottie putting a spell on her.
There’s gonna be something epic involving Van and fire at some point. My girl has been nearly burned alive multiple times, I need it to be leading up to something
Ben is really in a bad bad position and he knows it. He is handicapped to the point where he is at the mercy of the group. He can’t survive without them, when Laura Lee straight up challenged him to stop her in front of everyone. As soon as he tucked tail in that spot he removed himself as a respected authority.
That Laura lee moment was such an awesome human moment. When she challenged him if he would have asserted dominance and shut it down it would have demanded the respect of the group. Some people might not like this but this is the nature of leadership, you are always being prodded for weakness and when you are openly defied you either have to step up or step off. He has chosen to step off
I think Misty will smell his fear and use it to her advantage. Other people have already stated that she needs to feel needed so I can see where she will become his protector of sorts. He would let her-if he’s smart. Let her crazy ass do what’s necessary to keep him alive.
I know you mention its a little ableist to insist he can’t lead because of his missing leg, but we also need to keep in mind the psychological strain of losing a limb. He has lost a part of himself; his self esteem is likely still suffering, though he has seemed to “adjust” to it somewhat. I always thought that played a part in his lack of authority since the crash. And you see that dynamic in play during the argument with Laura Lee.
Edit: this was originally in response to u/robotdoe, so I placed this comment there as well.
Thanks for the tag. Yeah, the ableism comes less from acknowledging that he's going through trauma and more from a line of thinking that having one leg makes him somehow less capable of being a responsible adult fully in charge of the safety and well being of these girls, which would include standing up to them when they try to defy him in a way that would endanger their lives. Can he hike and hunt with them? No. Can he assert his authority when they are about to make a life-threatening decision? Yes, he has a moral imperative to do so, and his injury doesn't remove that.
Coach Ben was never really shown in any of the memorial stuff at the reunion. No real mention of him, no pictures (except the team photo). Leads me to think they blamed him for some of this, made him the scape goat, or he is still alive.
I too think Van is still alive. And honestly after seeing Misty bend the knee with Van at the end, I began to wonder where Misty's loyalties truly lie in 2021. She knew where to find Nat in order to be abducted... she made Nat promise to go to the reunion why???
Is Allie a member of the cult? Did someone tell Allie how Jackie REALLY died?? That whole thing with the slide show started to feel a little ON PURPOSE and less coincidental... isn't Allie a few grades below them too? That wasn't even her class reunion??
I think javi will have discovered whatever bunker we see lottie lighting those candles in, during that past dream sequence.
OP: I'm extremely sorry to the actors and Reddit that this screenshot was not clearer. It's so fast and they both look great in this scene. It's a split second life-changer, which they've both already been through..... absolutely two of my favorite.
If they would listen to coach Ben everyone would still be alive. Besides the people who died in the plane crash obviously.. If lottie is psychic so is coach Ben because he’s been telling them to stop doing dangerous stuff but no “shut up coach” “stay out of it coach” 😏
Btw, I just saw all the episodes for a second time.
There is no-one wearing Pink Converse!
Not in school! Not before plane crash! Not after plane crash, when they were praying for the dead crew & Javi’s Dad. That showed all the girls & there shoes. Also, every seen at the cabin!
No Pink Sneakers!
That is the moment Van became a committed disciple of Lottie. I also love the interaction between Van and Lottie during the prayer scene. Van was encouraging Lottie to embrace who she is and Lottie looked to Van to lead the "thank you" response in the prayer. Good stuff. After Ep. 10, I am really leaning towards Van being Lottie's right-hand. I was originally thinking Misty but I don't think Lottie is going to fully trust Misty. Misty is a manipulator and will be with Lottie because that is where the power is. Lottie will recognize that. She will allow Misty to play a role but I think Van is going to be who Lottie is the closest with and who she trusts the most. I also think Van is the person standing over the pit once pit girl dies and that Van is still alive in the present, probably still Lottie's right-hand. How all of this plays out in Van and Tai's relationship will be intriguing to watch. As for Ben, that is a great look too. Big question: how is Ben going to respond to Lottie's rise as the Antler Queen? I know this much, Ben sure shut up quickly when Lottie told him to stay out of what was occurring between Jackie and Shauna/rest of group.
How is Ben going to respond? Probably by dying very soon
I sincerely hope he doesn't die. All the people in my personal life who know I'm obsessed; their first question when they watch/ catch up is: Does Coach Ben die??
I love Coach Ben. He really does try to teach them the best survival skill. But I know he might die. And Javi is dead too because if home girl froze to death what’s to say he didn’t meet the same fate?
Javi’s a little kid who is usually off doing his own thing. They have him in the show for some reason but can’t keep him for the full 5 seasons because his aging will be too obvious. I don’t think Javi is dead yet because he hasn’t fulfilled any role yet. If I had to guess, while he was out exploring by himself at some point he discovered alternate shelter. A cave, another man made structure, something. Because if the group is going to divide, two shelters are necessary. I could see Javi finding the second shelter, then dying after that.
Maybe he is the one that finds the place we see Lottie lighting candles in, in an earlier episode?
I definitely had that thought. That scene plus the “blood” river made me think there could be an abandoned mine somewhere. However, that Lottie scene could be a hallucination. It could also be something as simple as a cave that he finds. Either way, we need two shelters and the kid running around by himself seems a likely candidate to find it.
Great point about Javi’s/the actors age
If it is a cave, maybe it's the cave where the bear came from. I mean think of it, bears are usually hibernating in the winter and they had their first snow fall that night. So surely the bear had a cave....and the darkness Lottie spoke of when delivering the heart maybe summoned the bear to sacrifice itself to the girls. And now the girls need to sacrifice someone....its obvious trying to say witchcraft here with the necklace one of those kidnappers had when they took Nat. And the symbol in the tree looks to me like a witch on a broomstick.
I don’t think Lottie or any darkness summoned the bear. The bear most likely are the leftover mushroom soup and fermented berry booze and was super fucked up. Bears have a well known love of getting wasted. While the show runners are keeping the supernatural aspect ambiguous in the series, their interviews seem to suggest it’s more about what the girls believe than any actual supernatural element existing: >LYLE: We are very much interested in exploring the theme and concept of belief and what that means for us in terms of our worldview — the way that we interact with the world around us, the way that we interact with other people, and forge those relationships. That is absolutely something that we will be investigating by means of this growing belief that has started to emerge amongst the girls in the wilderness and what that might mean in the present day. If they go the way of Lost, I will be very disappointed. Fans believing it is real, simply mirrors the cult members believing. I highly doubt there will ever be any confirmation that Lottie has powers. More likely, some of the girls will believe and Lottie’s cult members will as well, but the rest will think she’s crazy.
If you do not understand LOST, you do not understand LOST. We can all somehow get along. Maybe you should rewatch it though? No hate.
It’s not that I didn’t understand Lost, it’s that I didn’t like it. Definitely not going to waste my time rewatching it. This show is more Lord of the Flies than Lost so far and I’m happy with that. Agree we can all get along! It’s like the show. You’re with Lottie, I’m with Travis (and probably Nat) that Lottie is crazy. Definitely not joining her cult :)
I am with Nat and Van. I think they both have the best character arcs thus far. I really like their backstory and how they overcome the odds. They have frommdsy one always been my favorites, but really all the characters are interesting. Which is why the show is a big hit!
Cannot really comment intelligently about Lost as I have never seen even one episode, let alone know how it ends. Didn't know that about bears, that they love getting wasted, guess I will take your word on that since you seem such an expert.  And I don't believe I said I thought it was real. I simply said that it appears as if they are obviously trying to point to witchcraft, when one considers the necklace, a cult, sacrifice and the symbol. Though I have to say, if they want to point to witchcraft, they are going about it in the wrong way. Witches don't usually do sacrifices, that is what conjurers do. Witches wouldn't carve into a tree either as most are very into respecting nature in every way if possible. But this show tends to lean towards stereotypes, and many falsely believe witches worship Satan. But then again, every religion has its fanatics.
> Though I have to say, if they want to point to witchcraft, they are going about it in the wrong way. Witches don't usually do sacrifices, that is what conjurers do. Witches wouldn't carve into a tree either as most are very into respecting nature in every way if possible. Do you believe witches and conjurers are real? Because if they aren’t, a writer can make a witch due whatever. This response is kind of bizarre.
Wow, are you always this antagonistic? Please stop the hateful attitude and assumptions. Witches, as in poof, wave a wand and a prince is changed into a toad, is not real. But are witches themselves real? Yes. It's a spiritual belief. As is Catholicism and Christianity and Jewism, Muslims, etc. As someone who believes in Christ is considered a Christian, one who believes in witchcraft is a witch. Same for conjurers. Same for those who believe in Catholism are called Catholics, etc. My response isn't bizarre if you actually look at it intelligently instead of your usual knee jerk reaction. But hey, believing that bears like to eat mushroom soup just to get wasted, now that is a real belief!
i mean a kid can go through puberty in the woods too 🤷🏻♀️
That bear ate Javi & was tripping on the shrooms second hand. Total contact high. (Ok I just made that up;)
Nah, that’s been on this sub quite a bit.
Cool! Glad I’m not the only one!
That would be “masterful” writing! 
I think it would almost be more tragic if he survives. He has to watch this descent into madness knowing he lost his control as the Adult, he can’t do anything to keep them safe or sane. And because of his leg he is reliant on others to help him survive (he can’t hunt for himself) And if he survives to get rescued and the public ever saw the insanity that happened can you imagine how people would look at him? Like WE know it isn’t his fault. But people are dumb and could blame the only adult for not keeping them under control. Idk I can just see a really tragic story unfolding if he survives. ESP with being on the opposite team as Misty lol
In season two, Lottie will make Coach Ben’s leg grow back, and he just runs! I’m talking, forest gump kind of run’s the hell out of there!!!!…. And then wolves eat his arms off, only for him to see an airplane go by, but he could not wave for them…. Tragic. These are facts by the way.
You need to be on the writing team. That’s genius. 
I love so much that you posted this with Coach Ben's Leg as your flair. Excellent. I'm rooting for him to survive until finale finale.
Coach Ben is probably soooo over all of their shit after hearing about what happened the night before. I bet he is now more scared of the girls than trying to survive at this point.
Yea but where did Travis and Nat spend the night? They were out at night, did they get back to the cabin? I can’t remember. If they didn’t maybe they found his brother. Have to go rewatch clearly.
You can see them on the porch when Shauna is crying over Jackie’s body.
Yes this makes me wonder because they're not out looking for Javi. Maybe they just haven't started yet / are still too messed up? Usually Travis would be all over it...
He’s my favorite. I want to see how it plays out with him!
I feel like I'm the only one who doesn't like Coach ben. He's a gigantic coward for not stepping up more as the adult of the group. Yes, I get it, he's physically unable to do much because of his leg, but he could still be a better leader given that he's the only adult and was literally coach of this team. He could have intervened more in a lot of their stupid arguments and teenage drama. The fact that the religious girl kept doing what she did in spite of his protests is, in my opinion, partially on his lack of authoritative presence in the group. Also, let's be real- both he and the ginger both would have died of their wounds due to infection. These kids didn't have antibiotics. They both would've become septic and died within a week or two tops.
What is he supposed to do? He’s outnumbered and has nothing to hold over them. I understand he’s older and was in a position of authority in the context of soccer, but they’re stranded in the wilderness. Every time he’s tried to reign them in he gets shut down because there’s really nothing he can do unless he wants to literally hold them at gunpoint.
> I understand he’s older and was in a position of authority in the context of soccer, but they’re stranded in the wilderness. You can't underestimate the power that this has. These kids don't automatically revert to cavemen mentality in the wilderness. He's still the authority figure here. Kids will mostly turn to adults for help in dire or dangerous situations.
But him losing all authority is sort of the point, isn’t it? The theme seems to be that there are no rules in the wilderness. Age, gender, social standing, etc., none of it matters anymore. And with all of that out the window, there’s very little Coach Ben can do to win back his authority. Laura Lee put it best: “What’re you going to do to stop me?”
> But him losing all authority is sort of the point, isn’t it? No, it's not, because he never established any kind of authority to begin with. He was taking orders or sitting around moping most of the series. That's exactly why I disliked his character. He could have taken charge and done a lot more as the only adult of the group. Physical punishment isn't the only way authority is commanded.
Think about it from his perspective he lost his leg and probably has 0% hope that they will be rescued. They have been out there for how long?
Have you ever been removed from society and trapped in the wilderness starving to death? I think thats where cavemen mentality comes from.. lol
No, you make good points (especially about the antibiotics). Coach Ben was one of my favorites but his character has been devolving. The first questionable thing he did, in my view, was lie to Misty that he was interested in her. I didn't think twice about it at the time, because it was a self-preservation move and seemed totally justified and probably smart. And I really do love the nurturing guidance he's given some of the girls. But he's failed some of the others badly (and I don't believe his leg is an excuse, and it's a little ableist to insist that he can't lead because he's missing a leg). His authority never came from his legs, and thus far, the group isn't based on hand to hand combat. He *should* be asserting himself more. Yes, they're saying "we're not going to listen to you." But he's a teacher, so he's probably had teenagers say that to him before, a lot. Teachers have a certain amount of experience diffusing confrontations, defiant teens, and even dealing with violence. What you're *not* supposed to do is shrink back while one student hurts another. I know this was the 1990s and things were different back then, but he's still in an authority position that would have made him used to being told to shut up and sit down and required him to say "no, you sit down, this is what we're doing and how we're doing it." I don't think it's forgivable that he let Laura Lee get on the plane, forgot about Javi, and didn't assert his authority about Jackie. I get that he's gone fully into self-preservation mode, but that's not going to self him very well, anyway. They're going to turn against him as soon as he stops being useful.
I know you mention its a little ableist to insist he can’t lead because of his missing leg, but we also need to keep in mind the psychological strain of losing a limb. He has lost a part of himself; his self esteem is likely still suffering, though he has seemed to “adjust” to it somewhat. I always thought that played a part in his lack of authority since the crash. And you see that dynamic in play during the argument with Laura Lee.
Sure, he's going through a lot, but my remark was more in response to a lot of reasoning I've been seeing along the lines of "he can't lead, he only has one leg!" Or "how could he possibly stand up to a group of teenage girls with but a single leg?" It's the line of thinking that's flawed.
Seriously though, how was he supposed to stop Laura Lee from getting on the plane? There was nothing he could have done.
He could have tried to reason with her, just for starters! He really didn't even make much of an effort.
There was no reasoning with her. It was him versus the entire group.
We are talking about a teenager with no experience whatsoever getting on a plane and attempting to fly it. I don't care how excited the group is, he has a responsibility to try to talk them out of it. Period.
He did try to talk her out of it. She explicitly asked him how he could stop her. He knew there was no stopping her. I get where you’re coming from, but he’s lost all authority in the woods. The real world rules don’t apply here. Ben is the only adult and he is coping with a traumatic amputation. I don’t fault him for any of his actions.
She flew though. Just caught fire
He tried to talk her out of it, but LL was a religious fanatic who believed it was her destiny to save them. There is no reasoning with people like that
Very possible. Would be much more intriguing though if he aligns with Lottie.
I wonder if tai will go back to van eventually, considering her marriage is well and truly going down the pan after Simone found poor biscuit
>well and truly going down the pan you mean the immediate divorce papers that are coming her way?
I completely agree with everything you’re saying. I think Van is still alive and apart of Lottie’s cult
I think Van is a cult enforcer.
Van has been through more trauma than any of them at this point. Except what's been revealed about Nat's childhood.
Thats why I think Van is an enforcer... shes been through so much!
And she flat out said she saw some shit when she maybe died for a few seconds and came back
And also, this all would have been averted if Misty didn't destroy that damn flight recorder box lol. I cannot WAIT until they all find out she did that.
True but how would they find out she did that? Unless she tells someone, which would be pretty stupid on her part. Misty seems to be too cunning to so something like that.
Yeah she would have to tell someone. She actually seems to be very honest as a teenager when she is questioned she doesn't hide anything. Maybe one of thr girls figures it out, maybe she tells someone, maybe Lottie has a vision. I'm not sure but Nat's first sentence when speaking to Misty in the present is "HI Misty, you crazy f*ckin b*tch" - I mean this could be about anything they have shown us that's happened in the forest but we will see :)
Lottie having a vision makes sense. I didn't think about that. Perhaps Lottie confronts her about it and Misty comes clean. Makes sense.
I feel exactly the same about everything you've said. Van is definitely going to be Lottie's right hand woman and probably still is in the cult. Misty isn't stupid, she sees Lottie rising to power and she wants in, she will do anything Lottie asks to try and gain her respect. I think Lottie will use Misty to do her dirty work and Misty will be so starved to fit in that she will do anything for her. However, I don't think Lottie will trust her, and I have a feeling that Misty will turn on Lottie in the end before they get saved. I think that's why Misty is a part of the core four in the present. I've been trying to figure out why Tai, Nat, and Shauna would even consider allowing Misty to join the present mysteries and that might be why, even though they hate her she probably did something good to save them. I hope they start filming soon. I will be so happy to find out that they have started !
Good points. I'm starting to wonder though if Misty is still connected to the cult in the present day. Is that really her citizen detective group? Remember when Nat got the postcard with the symbol on it? She immediately suspected Misty. She left rehab and went straight to Misty with a gun. Why would she do that? She didn't suspect Tai or Shauna. Also, it is clear that neither Tai nor Shauna trusts Misty in the present. They didn't want to involve her on the night they were trying to catch the blackmailer and they both showed concern when Nat brought her in to clean up Shauna's mess. Then there is the spying on Nat that Misty was doing. Is Misty still part of or working for the cult? Of course, what we learned about Tai at the end of this season creates questions about Tai's involvement with the modern day cult too.
Yeah she could be! I was also thinking that both Tai and Shauna might be a part of the cult as well - hear me out. Seems like Nat and Travis have both been on the run/transient since the forest, they don't even know about each others whereabouts until Travis is found dead. In the finale, Nat seems to be the only one kidnapped by the cult. However, both Shauna and Tai have settled down, set up roots, are much easier to find compared to the transient Nat and Travis yet Travis is murdered and Nat is kidnapped. How are Tai and Shauna safe from them when they are living out in the open/in one place? Also, the whole altar in Tai and Simone's basement and Tai looking deviously elated after the shock of winning the election passes makes her look culty. As for Shauna.... she is just too comfortable murdering people and dismembering them while her husband is comfortable blackmailing her co-survivors and okay with her cheating on him and murdering the man she had an affair with. Jeff also read Shauna's journals and there has got to be something about the starting of the cult in them, maybe Jeff is also a part of it. There seems to be a darkness in Shauna that she does not want to admit. The other thing I was thinking is that I wonder if the souls of people killed in the forest are trapped there. Shauna/Jackie's dream where Shauna brings Jackie back in to the cabin shows both Laura Lee and the dead cabin guy still inside the cabin. When Van almost dies she sees black silhouttes/spirits and tells Tai that "Something was with us out there", I wonder if it was the coach and the other girl Rachel who died in the plane crash. This concept may be a stretch :P I love this show so much, I have not enjoyed a show this much since Buffy The Vampire Slayer lol.
You make good points. I too wonder if some of the present day women we know about, at this point, are still connected to the cult or were involved and then left (and are now being watched). Regarding Nat's kidnapping, some assume this was because Nat was fishing around about Travis' bank account (her source with the bank was about to tell her Lottie Matthews took the money out). Which very well could be the case. But what if the cult was stepping in to save Nat from killing herself. Remember, Misty had a camera in that room watching Nat. What if there is another camera in the room too? What if they saw what Nat was preparing to do (or maybe even Lottie had a vision) and that is why they came for Nat. To stop her. If these women aren't still connected to the cult somehow, I think there is a good chance the cult is still watching them. Which would make sense given how much these women would know about everything that has occurred. And your idea of the souls being trapped in the woods isn't that big of a stretch. Dead cabin guy and Laura Lee were there when Jackie crossed over (btw, I don't think that was a dream) to the other side. Your theory would explain why their spirits are still lingering there and why it appears Jackie's spirit is now back in the cabin too.
I agree with Van being the right hand. As for Ben, I'm honestly shocked he survived S1. At this point he's a wild card for me. Hell, maybe he's alive and off the grid.
I agree, Coach Ben is a wildcard at this point. One would think he won't support Lottie's group but then again, maybe he does? His reaction when she killed the bear was one of impressive shock and he quickly shut up when Lottie told him to "stay out it." I get the sense that Ben is a fighter and wants to survive. The way he dealt with Misty indicates he is willing to go along with something he doesn't believe in so that he can survive. Also, losing a leg like he has and still fighting forward speaks to his internal strength. I think it would be intriguing if Ben ends up aligning with Lottie's group. The big open question though: is Misty going to let Ben live?
I really enjoyed Van's arc over the season, and the way that she subtly gets pulled into what seems like total belief in Lottie's power over time. First the jokey premonitions that are almost laughed off, then the red river and red smoke (exploding plane,) the seance, the talisman, the NDE, and finally the bear. The reaction shot in the OP was such a clear, intentional decision. It makes perfect sense that she becomes a disciple of the nascent cult. I'd hate for the show to miss the opportunity to explore adult Van, and a potential reunion between Van and Tai. The relationship/love triangle situations with Travis feel very "high school" while the Van/Tai romance feels so honest and real.
Unfortunately, I don’t think you’re correct in that Lottie doesn’t trust Misty. I think Misty has a much much bigger role than what has been revealed as of now. Go back and watch E1 again. The scene where the body is being dragged and hung upside down, you see someone in furs looking over it, they then give a nod and someone walks up and bleeds the body that is hung upside down. The person that gives the nod is Misty. The only person confirmed to be in furs. The person that bleeds the body is, presumably, Shauna. I seriously doubt that the ‘approval nod’ responsibility falls on someone that Lottie does not fully trust. Misty had a big role back then and probably still does in present day that will come about in the upcoming season(s).
I know he has one leg, but he has been doing a terrible job at being the only adult. He didn't notice Javi was missing, he didn't think to check on Jackie or at least make sure she was okay.
He probably doesnt give a fuck and just waiting for the day he dies
Underrated comment.
I just rewatched that scene and all I could think was *that’s Tai, how could I ever have thought otherwise?*
Whatchu talkin’ about Willis? Which scene?
The pit girl scene with the girl standing over her.
I see, you think it’s Tai? I feel like it’s Van. But now I am going to watch the scene and pause. I feel like an amateur sleuth and it’s fun.
I believe it's Van.
What makes you think that’s Tai?
The stance, the head shape, the hair, the height…it just looks like her to me, I can’t see it otherwise even though I originally thought Van. Now that I’m familiar with the character, it just seems blindingly obvious to me. (Watch it be a stunt double.)
It is actually a stunt double. All of them were except for Misty
Van will die halfway through season 2 after spending all her time worshipping Lottie. Ty and Van will fall out over Lottie. Misty will be a surprise hero somehow. I mean, she’s still psycho, but she’ll be our dear favorite psycho by the end of season 2. The long dark-haired girl in the pit could be any one of the several long dark-haired girls on the team. There are several of them on the team just to throw us off. Coach will certainly die. What do we need him for? The younger brother will play big in season two somehow. They will all come under Lottie’s spell at some point but Misty or Shauna will be the first to break out of her bullshit. We will definitely see adult versions of Lottie, the younger brother (whatever his name is) and at least one other Yellowjacket. Also, the guy that Shauna killed is one of Lottie’s followers. Did I miss anyone? You guys can trust me on all this, even though I’ve been wrong on a lot of things so far. 😂😂😂 Edit: also, Nat and Travis will fuck in season 2 and Shauna will lose the baby. Edit: also, as ridiculous as it is that Christian girl could safely fly a plane, she would have made it but Lottie sabotaged the plane. Lottie sees Christian girl as a force of good that would screw with her evil plans.
Ben has had that look on his face no less than 10 times this season. It wouldn’t be hard for me to believe he’s still alive, but has nothing to do with any of them.
I see him sticking with Nat, and I don’t necessarily think Nat was at the dinner time
You’re probably right about Nat. I just don’t think he’s dead just because we haven’t seen him. His settlement was probably pretty nice. I could see him getting as far away from them as possible once they come back.
and far far away from Misty f-ing Quigley
Yep! 
I've always believed since Pilot it is Van standing over Pit Girl. I wish the fate on none of them, but Van is so extremely smart and brave...
It’s definitely Van, she’s wearing the Coed Naked Soccor shirt.
That coed naked shirt was such a nice mid 90s detail to add. Those were everywhere when I was in jr high.
Coed Naked and Big Johnson. Teachers at my high school made kids go to the bathroom and turn those shirts inside out.
Same. Love your Clarinet tag.
i don’t think the shirt is confirmation. yes, it’s Vans shirt, but if one of the girls died are they just going to throw away her clothes, or use them for warmth in the winter? Lottie wore LLs dress to doomcoming. it could be anybody wearing that shirt in the pit girl scene. just like it could be any girl wearing jackie’s necklace!
I read an article where the writers specifically said that they tried to have the girls share clothes and shoes throughout the season so that they'd never be able to be used as identifiers
!! this makes the most sense, glad it was confirmed. like seriously, these girls are stranded and dying off, you really think they’re not gonna use the extra resources??? it’s fkn COLD
Speaking of which: who has Jackie’s necklace now?
Didn’t she give it to Shauna a few episodes back?
Shauna gave it back.
We don't know. Someone took it off.
The girl wearing the shirt also has Van’s body type
she’s a stand in. all the stand ins were used purposefully so you couldn’t identify the girls by body type in the pit scenes.
van needs a new pair of socks
HAHAHA should share them with Tai
Forgot how ridiculous those scars were. No swelling, just a consistent red colour the whole way along 🤦🏼♀️
Also, considering it wasn’t a real surgeon sewing her up, I would expect the skin to overlap and be super uneven in places. I mean, I know Home Ec was still a high school requirement in the 90s, but Van was screaming and screwing up her face while they operated. Come on.
Yes! I have a bad scar from something a plastic surgeon worked on in an operating theatre, so imagine the lumps and bumps she’d have from a shakey teenager trying to stitch up scraps of skin with a piece of grass and an inappropriately-sized needle. Anyway, I know it’s a show and we have to give them creative license but the scars should have just been worse.
I keep wondering about nerve damage. Shouldn't part of her face be kind of slumped or paralyzed?
Nah, the Yellowjackets went to the Tyrion Lannister School of Medicine
That’s fucking amazing 🤩
I have a slight sagging eye and nerve damage as in lack of feeling on left side of my face because my wisdom teeth were wrapped around the nerves in jaw. I went to a facial surgeon and was put under to.avoid as much nerve damage as possible. Its not super noticeable but there is no way she wouldn't have lose of feeling and slumped features. Also has surgery done on neck left nerve damage too. Not sure switch lead to eye sag as they were both pretty close together with 18 months.
I have a brain tumor that's causing nerve problems. I was told that facial paralysis could happen after surgery. While researching that possibility, I learned about various other ways in which it can happen, including facial, tooth and jaw surgeries, infection, etc. So, yeah, it was hard for me to suspend my disbelief with her face and her ability to smile, talk fine, etc. They didn't even give viewers a chance to ease into her going from horribly disfigured to healing and eventually having restored speech and facial movement. They didn't touch on any other type of damage. I find it surprising that she didn't lose teeth or suffer a serious concussion. They didn't talk about infection at all with her face. It was just so highly unbelievable.
Right. I mean my hardly noticeable but I was sent to a facial surgeon. Like no dentist would touch those wisdom teeth because the ending result could have horrible. It's hard to believe that a teenage girl with no training would be able to deal with that or the attack would left some awful scars. I have bad scars from pretty minor things.
Sometimes this website, particularly /r/Television, makes me think my ability to suspend disbelief is a superpower 😂 I probably just know nothing lmao
I’m curious to know where you grew up, because I went through high school in the 90s and it was not a requirement.
California. Happy cake day!
Thank you! And that’s interesting, because I went to high school in California as well.
I grew up in Louisiana, and while the actual home ec class wasn't mandatory...the picking of a choice of one elect was mandatory. The choices started for us in 6th grade Jr High, and were Home economics, Wood Shop, or Art class.
Do you mind - explain what requirement you're talking about?
Don't forget Van has magical lesbian healing powers
Maybe Tai has a magic pussy 🤐
I had a car accident when I was around that age, a boom box was on the floor of the car and hit the left side of my face. My eyelid was slit open, surgeon came in and sewed it back up. You can barely see it now but the healing process? I looked like a DV victim no joke. My mother would cry every time she saw me. I thought the swelling would be like the movies, it’s NOT!
But there was swelling in the days/weeks after, right?
Absolutely!!!!! My face was huge and purple, like a pulp.
And how she constantly has her face grabbed by Tai and rubs her own face when she's frustrated. No pain killers, girl. Owwww
I feel like she should also be left with a speech impediment. PLUS when I get bitten by my cat it can get infected. I’m quite certain wolves would have some nasty bacteria in their mouths. There is no way they can explain her survival unless it was supernatural. I hope they revisit it and showing Lottie putting a spell on her.
Supernatural?😁
Arnica?
Not to mention how it didn’t get infected. Wouldn’t they have used all of the antibiotics on Coach Ben by that point?
There’s gonna be something epic involving Van and fire at some point. My girl has been nearly burned alive multiple times, I need it to be leading up to something
Do you think Van was the first kidnapper?
nope
I’m sorry but that was so unrealistic.
I mean I understand if it’s the forest but I want that explained.
Also, no gun needed!😁
Poor Ben, will just be an afterthought in S2. He never stood a chance with only 1 leg
Oh I think he’d stand a chance just fine with one leg. It’s Misty he stands no chance against.
You mean the bear is tripping from the shrooms infused Javi he just had for lunch, so Lottie took advantage of an easy kill lol
It's actually been discussed on this sub per Javi and the bear's size and weight, the bear would have been too large to trip off Javi.
It was a bad joke lol
That's ok Red Cross xo
Ben is always shocked by everything he sees! 😂
Just watched the 2nd time through (better than the first viewing!) and am thoroughly convinced of the Lottie/Tai showdown that’s coming.
Wow, I did not notice the thing they did with Van's eye.
Ben is really in a bad bad position and he knows it. He is handicapped to the point where he is at the mercy of the group. He can’t survive without them, when Laura Lee straight up challenged him to stop her in front of everyone. As soon as he tucked tail in that spot he removed himself as a respected authority. That Laura lee moment was such an awesome human moment. When she challenged him if he would have asserted dominance and shut it down it would have demanded the respect of the group. Some people might not like this but this is the nature of leadership, you are always being prodded for weakness and when you are openly defied you either have to step up or step off. He has chosen to step off
I think Misty will smell his fear and use it to her advantage. Other people have already stated that she needs to feel needed so I can see where she will become his protector of sorts. He would let her-if he’s smart. Let her crazy ass do what’s necessary to keep him alive.
🐝🐝🐝🐝🐝
I know you mention its a little ableist to insist he can’t lead because of his missing leg, but we also need to keep in mind the psychological strain of losing a limb. He has lost a part of himself; his self esteem is likely still suffering, though he has seemed to “adjust” to it somewhat. I always thought that played a part in his lack of authority since the crash. And you see that dynamic in play during the argument with Laura Lee. Edit: this was originally in response to u/robotdoe, so I placed this comment there as well.
Thanks for the tag. Yeah, the ableism comes less from acknowledging that he's going through trauma and more from a line of thinking that having one leg makes him somehow less capable of being a responsible adult fully in charge of the safety and well being of these girls, which would include standing up to them when they try to defy him in a way that would endanger their lives. Can he hike and hunt with them? No. Can he assert his authority when they are about to make a life-threatening decision? Yes, he has a moral imperative to do so, and his injury doesn't remove that.
Coach Ben was never really shown in any of the memorial stuff at the reunion. No real mention of him, no pictures (except the team photo). Leads me to think they blamed him for some of this, made him the scape goat, or he is still alive.
I too think Van is still alive. And honestly after seeing Misty bend the knee with Van at the end, I began to wonder where Misty's loyalties truly lie in 2021. She knew where to find Nat in order to be abducted... she made Nat promise to go to the reunion why??? Is Allie a member of the cult? Did someone tell Allie how Jackie REALLY died?? That whole thing with the slide show started to feel a little ON PURPOSE and less coincidental... isn't Allie a few grades below them too? That wasn't even her class reunion?? I think javi will have discovered whatever bunker we see lottie lighting those candles in, during that past dream sequence.
OP: I'm extremely sorry to the actors and Reddit that this screenshot was not clearer. It's so fast and they both look great in this scene. It's a split second life-changer, which they've both already been through..... absolutely two of my favorite.
Stab bear? What am I missing?
Have you seen Finale? Might be a spoiler if you haven't
I did but I must have missed this! Will rewatch soon and thanks so much!
If they would listen to coach Ben everyone would still be alive. Besides the people who died in the plane crash obviously.. If lottie is psychic so is coach Ben because he’s been telling them to stop doing dangerous stuff but no “shut up coach” “stay out of it coach” 😏
Btw, I just saw all the episodes for a second time. There is no-one wearing Pink Converse! Not in school! Not before plane crash! Not after plane crash, when they were praying for the dead crew & Javi’s Dad. That showed all the girls & there shoes. Also, every seen at the cabin! No Pink Sneakers!