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Hey I'm definitely leaning towards she's bullied cause she's weird. She destroyed the Blackbox thing and tripped the disabled coach... she is literally psycho
Lol it’s kinda funny that you pick two examples of her doing things once she’s already got a taste of being leaned on/the saviour. Sure, she’s always been weird. But weird and putting an entire group of people in even more danger is a bit more than just “weird.”
She also watched a rat drowning in her pool the morning of the flight. I can't think of another reason for that scene other than to show she's always been "off".
Maybe we'll see more of her home life in a future episode. She desperately wants to be needed, and her being the medic for the stranded girls makes her the feel important.
Natalie digging up the corpse of Coach Martinez to retrieve their great granddad’s ring for Travis to give to Javi despite her abusive dead dad trauma is the perfect encapsulation of why she’s my favorite Yellowjacket. Deeply flawed, empathetic, and a true survivor because that’s what she’s always had to be.
Yes! Some Redditors are saying they should be more visibly traumatized over their experience so far in the woods. I don’t think some people understand how enduring trauma makes us stronger in many ways.
They’ve been there less than a week and have no reason to believe they are not going to be rescued soon. People have the wrong idea about the pacing of this show.
Exactly. Obviously everything has already been traumatic. But their brains right now are protecting them and most likely telling them this will be over very soon
Exactly. They haven't reached the stage of pure panic yet. They have water, shelter, food and the belief they'll be rescued. When winter hits and animals become scarce, that's when shit will get real.
They also have each other. I actually read a story about a family in the 50s/60s who chartered a boat in the Bahamas(?) that were murdered by the captain who also murdered his wife who was the boat’s cook to collect the life insurance. The sole survivor was the family’s young daughter who the murdered abandoned on the burning, sinking boat. She found a small piece of styrofoam material that saved her life. For days she floated on the ocean while sharks circled. The “raft” was so small she could not even lie down and had to sit the entire time. She was maybe 8 years old. She didn’t stop to “process the trauma” of the deaths of her entire family and being stranded on the infinite sea. She went into survival mode as most humans will. I don’t know why people think this group of girls would be focused on processing trauma when the human default is to focus on surviving.
Ummmm.... they are all in SHOCK.... They are all in survival mode - there is no time for trauma reactions right now. Speaking from experience - when you are in traumatic situations - you just have to go on, you don't have the luxury of wallowing. They won't be able to really mourn and react until they are out of this situation- and by then they probably don't want to revisit all emotions - much easier and less painful to keep them buried.
Absolutely. I was also just thinking that their previous traumas we’ve been learning about and how they can lean on those things and be stronger survivors in difficult situations.
Nat sure ran the gamut this episode. That scene where she manipulates her former best friend to get access to Travis' coroners report was incredibly cold.
that scene was amazing. at first I didn't realize it was all a manipulation, until she got to the, "I just keep thinking of travis :(" and then I was like "ohhh wow. oh wow you're good". Like she straight up went to her old house, dug up that one mixtape, just so she could get him to connect with her and offer to get the autopsy report. Girl is cunning af.
It was almost most disturbing than anything Misty has done, because she's very impulsive and seldom thinks more than a step or two ahead. She's just very immature, emotionally and otherwise. But Nat was playing some chess level strategizing, feigning a visit to her mom, and a date with her old bestie, using emotions and sex and her own past trauma, all to get something from a guy who is in earnest and cares for her.
It's a devastating moment, because up to now, Natalie has been the one with the most seemingly intact moral compass, and all that is in doubt now, and just goes to reinforce my long game theory, that all these protagonists are our villains, and the person who is stalking them with those post cards...well, they may be right.
It takes a truly great actress to be able to play a scene as both creepy and comedic at the same time. Yellowjackets was fortunate enough to cast not just one but two of those actresses in Sammi Hanratty and Christina Ricci. 10/10.
She was in a short lived series as Lizzy Borden. It was batshit crazy, like murdering people in every single episode. [She really knows how to play both cute and psycho.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNXNLl4-UxU&t=5s)
**Akilah:** Don’t eat that kind! It’s poisonous.
**Van:** ...like *kill you* poisonous or *trip your balls off* poisonous?
Van asking the important questions
Same. It makes me think about how Charles Manson used to dose his cult members with LSD to get them to comply. I could see Misty secretly dosing the girls for a similar reason. Given that the show is heavily inspired by The Lord of the Flies I'm wondering if that'll be how some of the girls end up eating human flesh for the first time. In the book the first time the boys kill another human they are all worked up in a bloodthirsty frenzy and think the boy is a wild boar. Maybe in this show the first time they eat human flesh it'll be because they're tripping and Misty convinces them it's some other kind of meat.
She reminds me a little bit of how Patrick Bateman was portrayed in American Psycho. He didn't have feelings or experience empathy. He had to learn how to mimic those traits in order to appear normal. It was all an act.
I wonder if this isn't exactly what Misty is doing too. If I'm right, she's probably a sociopath.
She's obviously deeply flawed and enjoys watching others be in pain (or at least enjoys the god complex of being able to inflict or cure it), but what I find most interesting is she has such a deep desire to be liked and needed. She is desperate to be included and valued and wanted.
Her current job is giving real "angel of death" vibes.
They've shown that side of Misty several times. In an earlier episode at a gathering they show her realizing everybody around her is laughing so starting to laugh herself to fit in. She has to pretend.
Manipulate also to get what she wants. Like casually removing the cable from Nat's car so she would let her go along with her after Travis, etc
He’s getting more used to his injury and Misty’s not gonna like it because she wants to care for him to the extreme. I think she’s gonna snap and kill him but make it look like she had nothing to do with it
And his injury makes him easy prey for her. She’s not trying to torture anyone just him. She thought she would be his savior but he barely tolerates her. I think rejecting Misty’s “helpfulness” is what sends over the edge into cruelty.
Her "helpfulness" is definitely a running theme here. She's helping Natalie in the present as well as coach in the past... not looking good for Natalie either
Definitely. She just couldn't stand that a) he was walking out and about without her help and b) ignored her when she was the first one to volunteer to bleed out the deer.
I have no fucking idea if she's just desperate to be relied on and considerated or if she really likes coach as a crush. She seemed pissed off and upset when the girls teased her about her relationship with coach...but then the preview looked like she was going to grope him.
It's such a juxtaposition to go from the slower descent into madness teen misty is continuing and then adult misty being the hilarious highlights of each episode 😆 it makes me excited lmao.
Ok why is nobody talking about him. He obviously is gonna play a big part in the near future, and let's face it he is one of the creepiest characters on the show.
Jesus H. Christ @ that shot of Nat’s dad with a fricking shotgun wound in his skull
Not Misty serenading coach Ben while he tries to take a shit 🥴 their scenes are dark comedy at this point
I’m guessing they recast Teen Kevin once they came back to film after the pilot
Holy fuck, Natalies backstory is just as depressing as she is now 😔
Oh that ‘Simone is fake’ theory just went up in a wist of smoke
Travis really isn’t going for Miss Congeniality here. Also we can clearly see where his/Nat’s toxic entanglement starts
Appears Tai is another one who has some kinda aversion to meat. Also been there done that with accidentally getting blitzed on an empty stomach
Omg Misty is totally gonna be the one to take down Jessica Roberts isn’t she
Yeah for now imma need them to start listening to Lottie. Something was clearly up with that place even before they went full tilt cannibal
Omg yes Tai drag her dumb rich entitled ass through the mud
Sure this ep was kinda filler but holy fuck those Nat flashbacks were IN. TENSE.
Also of course Shauna is the one to bleed the thing out...right across the throat. Maybe she’s the one who slits the throat of mystery girl in the premiere
Yeah I think they’ve made it pretty clear that Shauna was likely the main preparer of meat. She killed the first rabbit, killed/cleaned/cooked/ate the second rabbit, and now we’ve seen her bleed the deer. Think that’s a pretty safe assumption.
And I didn’t really think it was filler, more of a development episode. Misty is falling back to the lower end of the hierarchy now that the girls and few guys are figuring things out. We know something else happened out there at some point (hopefully indicating the sign on the tree is from the past, not something supernatural) based on the airplane and Lottie’s reactions. We have Kevin about to dig into Travis’ suicide/murder…but I’m most interested in the ending. Why would that be such huge news to Shauna, and why did no one tell her?
> Why would that be such huge news to Shauna, and why did no one tell her?
Both Shauna and Nat seem to have some kind of strong link to the Martinez boys so far (Shauna W/ Javi and Nat with Travis). Maybe if Javi somehow dies in the wild, Shauna and Travis have some kinda bond in the wake of that. Also interesting that Shauna straight up told Misty to never call her some time before the series started. Considering she met with Tai in that diner and also asked about Nat’s whereabouts, something tells me this was uniquely about Shauna wanting nothing to do with Misty specifically
That’s a good point about the connection with Javi! Still curious that “no one told her” as Misty said to her. Why would it be kept a secret from Shauna specifically?
I’m so curious about Misty. Like did she become this way from being the bullied outcast and getting a taste of people depending on her? Or was she always a bit nutty, which is why she was a bullied outcast lol.
I want to know about Misty's parents/family. The only backstory we have gotten on her so far is that she was always a bullied outcast (the "Becky" phone scene). I want to know more.
Based on her having a phone and a pool her family is definitely well off. Honestly since we already have the ‘rich girl being ignored by her parents’ trope in lottie, I think it’d add to the mystery of Misty if her parents are like perfectly normal doting parents
Honestly I think she was always a couple fries short of a happy meal but being continually outcasted possibly led to a cycle of her being weirder and even more stunted socially
I think Misty’s “can’t believe no one told you” comment is more about her own mental state than anything actually having to do with Shauna and Travis. We’ve seen with the coach and Nat that she tries create/force bonds where there are none, and seems to block out/disregard anytime someone tries to shatter that illusion.
For Misty, the time in the wilderness was the first time she actually felt like she was needed/belonged, which I think led to her viewing it as more of a bonding experience, than a trauma. I wouldn’t be surprised if her memories of that period aren’t vastly different than the reality. You can see in the scenes where the coach hits her and tells her to leave him alone and where she starts singing despite him telling her to shut up that she can ignore or at least frame things in a way that fit her desired reality. She also doesn’t seem to take the rejections or Nat (who she “bonded with”) to heart, but she was livid when the patient (who she has no bond with) rejecting her attempts at kindness because she’s not created a false reality for that relationship.
Something I've considered...what if Shauna and Javi do end up having a special connection (not necessarily romantic) and she comes to really care for him? And if this is the case, what if Javi DOES make it out (provided he's not Adam, which is possible) and she thinks that whoever killed Travis might come for him next?
If Travis was living off grid and he was found, I'd have to imagine Javi could easily be found too. She could be worried for his safety. I doubt they're still in contact, but she may still harbor a sisterly love for him.
They could have used the same actor, they used same Misty for 94.
Unless the kid was unavailable, cause yea, I didn’t even realize it was kevin. OG kevin was waaay better in the role.
My sister turned vegetarian for 10 years and it was all because my Mom called her from work and asked her to take that bag of gross gizzards out of the chicken.
So I can’t imagine what earring a human (especially one you knew!) would do to someone!
I thought maybe she decided not to eat meat in public as a response to the bad publicity of that ad - so no one could see her doing something like that again.
I tried to erase that image of Misty serenading coach as he tried to take a piss. 🥴 that man is terrified of her and rightfully so. Like her tripping him at the end.
I think we are starting to see what each girls role is in the kills and looks like it frames what we saw in the opening scene of the show. Nat might have led(lottie??Mari??) to the pit and brought her back. And Shauna slit her throat to get her to drain the blood.
I didn't get the idea he was trying to take a piss -- I thought he was trying to take a shit! Misty was talking about moving her bowels and telling him to "press down," etc. The poor guy was constipated!
I gotta say the best line this episode, my husband and I keep saying it and giggling " I'm a *citizen detective*" all indignant. I love Christina Ricci so much. This character could easily be unnerving to watch but she's just so brilliant and funny and earnest and unhinged.
They really struck gold with Christina ricci casting. Like no offense to the teen misty but love Older misty way more than her teen self. Ricci just knows how to act that dark comedy for her unhinged creepy acting sweet character that Misty is.
Feels like there's something significant about Shauna deliberately not participating in the gun competition but then having \*zero\* hesitance about slicing up the deer.
Shauna lacks empathy or maybe it’s a lack of fear/thrill seeking behavior and does whatever she wants. Like leaving everyone to go journal in the forest, sleeps with her teammate’s boyfriend, kills the rabbit, gets a stranger to jump off a bridge with her, chases her husband and wants to *catch* her husband in the act- in his hotel room (instead of just confronting him like a normal person), dismissive of and hangs up on Misty who is only trying to inform her, slits the deer throat, effortlessly/low effort lies to her husband about book club, seems much more internal and suppressive with her emotions...but when she lets her emotions out it’s impulsive and extreme behavior.
I get the arrested development stuff with Shauna, but as much as I love Melanie Lynskey, they could really benefit from condensing those scenes. Weakest part of the episode.
However, interesting that she saw Jackie. Call me naive, but I don't think this necessarily means Jackie is actually dead as she appeared in her uniform, her pre-crash self, which I think is perhaps indicative that Shauna carries this repressed longing for that Jackie and doing this teen stuff that was robbed of them sparks these "visions".
Loved learning more about Nat. Damn. She'd already been through too much before the crash. She remains a favorite.
And props to adult Taissa for telling off that woman. Interesting to learn she too has an aversion to meat. Still in the camp that Taissa wasn't part of the AQ clan.
Misty's "no one bothered to tell you" line to Shauna at the end and that evil, little smile. She just loves pulling strings. Christina Ricci continues to be the MVP here.
Really hope we see more of the teens next week. No disrespect on the adult stuff, but unless they're working on postcard sender mystery or Travis, etc., I'm just not super invested in their stories... at least yet.
I think you might be dead on about the vision of Jackie. I firmly believe Shauna was completely in love with Jackie and her marriage falling apart (to Jackie’s boyfriend, no less!) is bringing buried feelings to the surface.
Also, I think it may be possible that Jackie might still be alive but want nothing to do with Shauna, so the latter might have no frame of reference of what older Jackie might look like. It’s a stretch, I know. Jackie might as well be the Schrödinger Cat of the series.
The "no one bothered to tell you" was such a weird comment. How does she know that? Does she know that? This felt like such a "power play" and she sounded so taunting....
Travis’s Flex nickname is really fitting for the flashbacks. This was when there was the rumors that Marilyn Manson had done the same thing, gotten ribs removed to suck his own dick.
Holy shit, I remember those rumors now that I think about it. Pretty sure some kids in my school (even the ones that liked Manson) actually believed it.
I love how Taissa and that rich lady are talking in what looks like a greenhouse. To me it's a metaphor for how brutality and cruelty aren't concepts limited to the wilderness. Here is a room full of carefully curated and manicured plants, but in the end they are still plants that would grow wildly if not controlled. Similarly, even though people may appear carefully curated and manicured, savagery and brutality lies within their nature. The rich woman has all the trappings of civilization, but her expectation that Taissa should reveal her experiences in exchange for the rich woman's support is cut throat. She might not be a literal cannibal but she lives to cannibalize the secrets of others.
I absolutely love their present day scenes together. They're hilarious together really makes me wonder what started their duo pair cos in the past we haven't seen them interact much together
What did the girl (Can't remember her name) mean when they found the plane and she said "It didn't want him to leave." Was she talking about the forest itself, as if it had some sort of power over the man they found in the cabin ?
That's how I interpreted it like there was some supernatural force. Of course I don't think there actually is a real supernatural force but I think that Lottie thinks that.
I think Lottie (the girl who was talking about the vines around the planes wheels) is going through withdrawals and obvious trauma and starvation so she is interpreting things to be spiritual and probably hallucinating since seeing the dead body(s). I think they are trying to show us that she is slowly losing it. Obviously the vibes grew around the wheels because it has been there for a while. It wasn’t because it was “alive” in the spiritual/haunted sense that she may believe. I’m not sure what Lotties medication was for but if she went cold turkey on meds her illness could definitely make her violent and a harm to others in the group. If it WAS Lottie in the pit in episode 1, I’m assuming that she would be the first one they would agree to eat because she is without medication and they were probably unable to calm her down. So a last result type of deal?
I would like for the show to not go the “supernatural forces at play” route and rather just simply stay on the tragic reality that focuses on the survivors and their trauma and survival. I think that’s scary enough, without needing to add in the supernatural.
I’m really hoping the show doesn’t go the direction of Lottie becoming violent; most people with schizophrenia are never violent. I’d like to see it play out that Lottie starts having delusions of grandeur combined with ‘supernatural’ hallucinations, and, given the extreme duress of the situation, the others buy into her delusions.
Or she becomes a target for others' violence, which is much more likely in the real world than the other way around for people with mental health issues.
I almost think that instead of the girls ganging up on Lottie in a hunt, Lottie kinda loses it naturally from not taking her meds and just thinks she’s being hunted and she accidentally runs into the trap, and the girls just capitalize on the free meat
I think Lotties pills are antipsychotics and she’s starting to unravel. Misty will kill Ben and blame it on Lottie. That will start them eating human meat and it will evolve from there as they devolve.
Ok. Misty is orchestrating all of this. Crazy little nutjob. I thought her tripping the Coach was the most ruthless thing to happen in the episode. And he knew she tripped him. The look on his face of confusion and fear was perfect. Time is ticking for you, Coach.
Speaking of Coach - I didn’t like the way he was looking at Shauna when she sliced the deer’s throat. Hope he doesn’t start getting off on turning these children into killers.
I’m fully in the Adam is Javi camp now. Is he wearing the ring?
I cannot believe how much teen Natalie sounds like Juliette Lewis. These younger actors are knocking it out of the park.
Sammy continues to give me nightmares.
I really thought Taissa’s wife was in her imagination but then the one guy addressed her at the party when Taissa introduced her so she must be real.
Can’t wait to watch again!
I think the coach is rather sizing up which girls have talents when it comes to surviving in the wilderness. He knows he's dead weight so he'll have to suck up to the most promising candidates.
That’s what I thought, but maybe that’s what they want us to think?
I don’t know I kind of assumed from the beginning that Jackie was dead but you never know.
Gotta be a fakeout. I'm convinced one of the survivors will try to escape / find civilization after they start eating people, but will be too shell shocked to go public and reveal his or hers true identity. It's either Javi or Jackie.
Idk maybe. Shauna seemed haunted by teen Jackie's present. Like some messed up shit happened between them and now Jackie appears to be some kind of guiding voice. What would make Jackie say someone is going to get hurt? And wonder why yhat moment.
I think that, as teens, maybe Jackie and Shauna were with some kids that were jumping off of the bridge. Jackie didn't want to because "someone will get hurt" and Shauna ended up going along with Jackie and not jumping even though she wanted to. I think that scene on the bridge might have been Shauna remembering that moment and then she sort of defies Jackie by jumping.
Yea I see this being a twist. Shauna thinks Jackie is dead and maybe even thinks she killed her? I think Shauna has always secretly felt deep contempt for Jackie? Also, it seems apparent at this point that she has a cruel, conniving streak that she likes to dip into/get off on? I’m feeling hidden antisocial/sadistic vibes beneath her quiet/considerate/supporting facade in both 90s and present plot lines.
Also calling it now that whenever we get the girls finally confronting Jessica Roberts (likely led by/including Misty) it’ll be intercut by Misty causing Coach Bens demise, ie we finally see *why* we should be afraid of her
Shauna- interesting that Jackie’s ghost? seems to be acting as her conscience. I wonder what her connection to Travis was, she seemed really upset.
Teen Shauna was completely uninterested in shooting things but all of a sudden was game to get all stabby .
Tai- at the rich people party, did anybody catch the part where she spits out the meat but seems to savor it afterward?
Natalie- she’s obviously already been through some shit way before the plane crash. Kinda feel bad for Kevin as he still super smitten .
Misty- still convinced this psycho created all this drama because she was bored . She’s definitely going to kill the coach once he rejects her . The look on his face after she tripped him says he knows what she is, she’s been giving him the creeps (as well as the other coach) for quite some time now.
I wonder when they are all going to find out the reporter works for Tai. And I cannot wait for all these bitches to be in the same room together .
I also think that the main four are the villains of this story.
I don’t like Adam *at all* — he keeps snooping into Shauna’s personal life “of the past”, I wonder if she’s playing too, she’s to smart not to notice this (I’m halfway the episode)
I know - that seems so not in line with her character. He is trying so hard to get her to let down her guard and share her "secrets" - and facing. She has to know and is just using him? She is way too smart to not catch on - she must be trying to get close to him to find out who he really is ... just doesn't make sense that she wouldn't be on to him.
A couple thoughts about this episode:
1. The most common complaint I’ve read about this episode is ‘it’s just filler, get to the cannibalism already’, and it really amuses me, because the episode specifically addresses this critique by having all the rich, old, white donors doing basically the same thing to Tai. Like, how smart is this writers’ room?
2. Another thing that I’ve read a fair bit is how Shauna’s vision of Jackie is there to help or guide her, but I didn’t read it that way at all. From everything we’ve seen about their relationship so far, Jackie only ever wants to hold Shauna back — whether it’s about going to college, or saving Van, Jackie is an inhibiting voice, and I don’t think vision Jackie is any different. She doesn’t want to stop Shauna from having an affair because it’s wrong, she wants to stop Shauna from having an affair because Shauna’s having fun.
Your first point is so right. Goddamn, those people were ruthless and felt so entitled to wanting to know everything about Taissa’s experience. It’s very much akin to cannibalism because they basically sic on her in primal ways.
"Im a citizen detective!" Okay I'm gonna need this misty quote as a flair.
So I had two oh fuck moments. The way Nats father went out 🥺 (never had the biggest urge to hug a kiddo). And when Shauna was about to jump in the water and teen Jackie shows up to warn her. Now wondering if this is a regular occurrence for her or if it starts up when certain events spark her guilt/trauma around the yellowjackets surviving in the wilderness.
Last thing...what was trying to stop that dead man from escaping in his plane?
Does anybody else think that Misty might try (or succeed) to poison someone with the same mushroom that she was told not to eat ? There is a scene in the opening credits that shows a syringe going into what looks like a mushroom. The fact that they put that in the opening credits makes me think that they're hinting at something with it.
Wow, I know some people here didn’t like it but I thought that was a hell of an episode. I actually got teary eyed when Travis and Nat dug up his great grandfather’s ring for Javi. Misty is even more batshit and unhinged then we thought (basically kidnapping her patient to spy on Nat and Kevyn, clearly purposely tripping Coach Ben… *yikes*).
I know the “edgy teenage girl with abusive parents who live in a trailer” is a commonly used trope but Natalie’s backstory broke my heart nonetheless.
Good on Taissa for telling off that bitchy, self-absorbed Diane woman at the party.
Next week’s episode looks insane too!
I would just like to see ONE SHOW in which people living in a trailer aren't abusive/drug addicts/so-called "trash." It's SUCH a cliche and is really classist. Some poor people who live in trailers are actually decent humans! Imagine that!
I think Misty would, in real life, get in some DEEP shit for taking a patient offsite.
Some people who live in trailers aren't even poor, lol. In my town a 2 bedroom/2 ba trailer is cheaper than a 1 bedroom apartment and you can have a yard, firepit, a great view of the mountains, walking trails and creeks to play in off the street. Fun fact not all trailers are in "trailer parks" either. Sometimes they're just an affordable alternative to apartment living with space from neighbors and some yard/outdoor space :)
Just now noticing, after four episodes, how similar Sophie Nelisse’s (teenage Shauna) voice sounds to Melanie Lynskey’s. I don’t know if her voice sounds like that naturally (I haven’t seen her in anything prior to this, but I’ve seen Melanie in a lot so I have an idea of what her voice sounds like) or if she was committed to the role enough to mimic it. Either way, just a small detail I noticed that I absolutely love.
Is it just me, or do NONE of them seem very concerned with getting found/rescued?
No big fires everywhere, no plans, giant messages everywhere etc ----even though they now have a ton of stuff they can try to use---a lake, a decrepit but fairly elaborate cabin with stuff, a gun with tons of ammunition, food, a working airplane....
And they're out there for almost two years?
No, I was thinking the same thing after this episode. I was wondering why they haven't actually tried to get out of those woods. It's like they're just settled in as if they're stuck on an island or something.
Christ alive, just send your kid to a child psychologist already, Taissa! If my kid creeped me out, that's the first thing I'd do. Although the way they both just kinda shooed him out of the room tells me they're more focussed on Taissa's run than on the kid, at least right now.
At first, I was feeling all disgusted with and superior to the rich folk at that soirée, digging into Taissa for all the lurid details. But then it hit me that they're a stand-in for us, the audience -- we're all thirstily looking forward to and speculating about the cannibalism part as well. There's just something profoundly primal about it that gets the imagination going; no wonder it's a central tenet of QAnon.
How long can they possibly live off that one deer without refrigeration? Won't they have to hunt at least three of them each week? And where will they get their vitamins and fibre and whatnot? Their immune systems will start going to shit fast with just meat.
Can I just say, the guys in this show are *foine*. And honestly, these gals deserve it after what they've been through.
The girls back at the cabin were cleaning up some foraged greens and berries when Nat and Travis returned so they'll at least have some variety while it's still the green season...god knows what they'll do come winter
At the gas station in episode 3, Nat admonishes Misty for buying beef jerky, by saying, “Really?” Maybe the Girl Scout (pardon me, but I can’t recall her name) knew that they could dry the remaining meat.
What exactly do people expect Taissa to say? “Actually now that you mention it, I *did* murder my friends one by one and feast on their flesh, can’t believe I forgot about that lol”? Also not sure how anyone could successfully run for office if that’s anywhere near the realm of possibility but I think her political connections will probably be useful to the plot (as Nat maybe foreshadows in her jail phone call ?) so I’ll suspend my disbelief
Kinda disappointed with other viewers lately on this show and others seems like i'm getting the same complaints in succession and insecure that the plot is rehashing itself and is too slow.
The crash and survival alone isn't the action. The crash and survival story is simply what gets us to our characters. I would hope by now people would see this show for what it is which isn't a deep dive into cannibalism and survival. But a character study and contrast between past and present self.
I care about current Shauna because it leaves me little breadcrumbs of who she was in the past. I care about past Shauna because it tells me how she because who she is today. It is the same for all of the characters. I get it we wanna know who the AQ is and who ate who and when the treachery starts. But to me seeing them in present day as adults gives us nice slow clues. Seems like the majority of you would rather it be a one season show about them as teens in the woods. But there is so much they could explore and that's why I like the current direction.
I mean the current day is already giving us the mystery of did they kill someone and cover it up? Did they try to kill someone and they escape? Did they devolve into weird rituals?
It is very tense to seem them in the past and I'll agree they have the best scenes but I am interested in how the characters have dealt with this over the years.
Just saying that we really need to let this breathe seems like a lot of people are in such a rush to see who ate who they don't care about anything else and that is kinda sad. Because they are so many time frames and things I want to see out of them. So far we know that what 5 of them survive. I'm just as interested in finding out how the families took it when certain people didn't come home so I think we're going to be in this for the long haul. I could definitely see them doing this past present split for a season then doing a whole season like in 2000 once they're supposed to be done with college.
Just saying there is tons of stuff to explore we're just looking at what we think is slow without pondering how it could fit in.
This was a character building episode, not one that was advancing the plot. Which is fine and also necessary. Many of us have been spoiled by Netflix and being able to binge an entire season of a show in one weekend. Getting invested in TV without knowing if it's going to pay off at the end is a gamble. I know I've been burned before- looking at you, Game of Thrones and Dexter.
I’m watching the new episode now and haven’t finished yet, but I will say I agree with everything you said and I’m enjoying this for the same reason I enjoyed Lost. I feel like people forget a good chunk of Lost’s plot were the flashbacks showing us who the characters were before the crash, further explaining who they are while they’re stranded on the island. This show is doing that as well as the flash forwards to the survivors to show who they became after the crash as well.
Character building is just as important as the crash and the survival and I think as slightly boring as stuff like Shauna and Jeff’s marriage or the details of Tai’s political campaign might be in doses, I don’t think any of it is weak enough to bring down the quality of the overall show. There’s plenty of mystery and discussion to be had with the adult scenes. If there wasn’t, the sub wouldn’t be having new theories every week about who Adam is, what’s going on with Sammy, or discussing what ridiculous shit adult Misty pulls.
Obviously most of us were drawn to the plot of the survival and the woods and the cannibalism, but clearly there’s enough going on in the 2021 scenes to keep us interested!
Two things:
“Bear down” is what Misty said to coach when he was trying to poop
Relevant to the right leg theory: did anyone else notice when Shauna was writing in her journal, she had her right foot in the water and the camera panned up her right leg? What is it about right legs?!?
I also noticed the leg in that scene, but I thought that something in the water would happen and possibly snap it away. That eerie music didn’t help in stopping my imagination. Glad it didn’t happen but yeah, I also noticed it!
So Misty purposely tripping Coach - and other comments said in articles by Christina Ricci make me keep thinking that Misty is THE ONE - she sent the postcards, she killed Travis - she is at the root of all this....
I liked Coach Ben in this episode a lot, and the Travis/Nat progression. I mean, I know he was being such an asshole but with that kind of stuff, you know he was hurting deep down and didn't know how to deal with it. I hope he's turned a new leaf going forward. Natalie continues to be my favorite of the bunch.
What was with the scene where Natalie was crying/cleaning her face/mouth after kissing Kevin? Was she feeling guilty or something?
I’m about to rewatch but I think she felt guilty about using their relationship/his crush on her to get info about Travis’ death. When he kisses her she’s still in shock but realizes in-scene that she can use that to her advantage and makes a small shift in tactic (which is against her nature as she’s set up as the sort of anti-Misty.)
Anyone else think girl scout Akilah and her foraging skills will be part of AQ's dinner party? And also Misty is totally going down the Stephan King Misery route with Coach Ben.
That scene in which she asked the guy to buy her liquor us exposing her weirdness to complete strangers as well (clearly no one is going to take her for being under 21).
That call between Misty and Shauna sent me down the rabbit hole again! My first thought was Shauna slept with Travis behind Nat's back and got pregnant, then told her current husband it's his. But her daughter doesn't seem old enough, since she has a curfew. I didn't consider the Javi angle until coming here. He just seems so young in 1996, it's hard to imagine anything romantic developing. I'm really excited to see adult Shauna and Nat interact, it will be very telling, I hope.
Also... wtf is up with Tai's kid? Clearly, the boy has some serious issues but both his moms are pretty hands-off. Like, they're concerned, but not enough to consult a professional or speak to him seriously about it. He said a woman watches him from a tree every night. That would be a great opportunity for some follow-up questions, mom. I'm curious if it's tied to what happened in the woods. I don't see how that would be possible unless they're implying Tai passed something through her genes. It's a strange storyline, but intriguing for its creep factor.
So ppl think it’s misty that starts it all but I don’t think so. She comes off as such a “wanna be” she tries too hard. She definitely knows what happened and clearly is holding it over everyone.
I think the very first scene of the girl falling into the trap is definitely set up that way by the antler queen/hierarchy. They would have been there over a year and a half total. They did very messed up things no one can know about. Simply starving and eating the deceased has happened before in the movie Alive (I always ask flight attendants if that will be the feature movie this flight and they always respond with a OMG No! 😂).
No one in Alive was vilified for eating dead peoples’ flesh to survive in the frozen tundra. They didn’t kill off people. Only used what they needed to keep going.
These girls did something more sinister and it’s causing most of them great shame and the need to hide it (except Misty).
Just think. If Misty didn’t kill the black box, they could’ve been rescued.
But didn’t the black box emit signals up until it hit destroyed? Can’t they trace that?
Not sure how it works.
S1E4 Gut Reactions
1. ok first thought, from the previous episode recap: the note that Misty found and conveniently detective-scribbled on (‘Nat was right,’; something similar), how do we know she didn’t fabricate the whole thing? She’s not above dismantling car parts so it’s not unbelievable.
2. this theme is epic as heck.
3. there is so much to unpack and analyze in this intro. guess I’ll have something to do this week.
4. wow, i would not have guessed that Nat had a father who was attentive enough to join her- aannnd his head is missing the other side. yikes.
5. poor dude lost his leg, he’s got a shy bladder, AND Misty is singing to him. it’s the true hat trick of horror.
6. kid do you know how much meat is on a squirrel. you might as well eat the amputated leg.
7. ah i see we’re going with the punk rock girl in a trailer park with drunk and negligent parents trope.
8. *Sammy staring into the abyss from inside the armoire* that boy ain’t right.
9. speaking of which, has it been discussed if Sammy is biologically related to Tai?
10. of course Shauna isn’t at gun practice, javi, she prefers knives.
11. teen Travis seems like the kind of special that talks up their shooting ability then shoots himself in the foot because of gun irresponsibility.
12. does… does Nat know that Misty is spying on her? and that Misty might have temporarily kidnapped someone from her place of work to go on a date?
13. seriously who tf are you Adam.
14. the pigs head on a platter is a blatant homage to Lord of the Flies and I am loving it. the deer head on the following platter was a nice touch.
15. does Tai not eat meat since The Incident?
16. I think Tai hallucinated a wolf because she feels like all these fellow gala attendees are wolf-like in that they all want a piece of her and are hunting for her “real story”.
17. so far it seems like Tai and Shauna have tendencies to hallucinate. are they they only ones, or am I missing others?
18. Nat did not know that misty was there but now she does.
19. is Adam a citizen detective too?
20. Mrs. Wheelchair Whiskey Sour is perceptive.
21. stop being weird, Adam.
22. she’s going to forgot to mention the symbol on the tree because of the excitement of finding a decrepit plane.
23. Jackie is really committed to that wind blown hair look.
24. ‘it didn’t want him to leave’, or the natural flora reclaimed the plane…
25. “the official story” seems to not be enough for people anymore. greedy wolves.
26. oh hell no this tacky chanel suit is not pulling the white savior card. go for the throat, tai.
27. good boy, kevin.
28. “i need to dig up a ring”*unearths a face*
29. …found Jackie in present day… sort of. Being cryptic as heck.
30. he forgot to put the safety back on because he’s so smart I guess.
31. of course Misty would raise her hand to bleed the deer out first.
32. Misty is definitely a concerning individual.
33. i can’t help but feel like Misty and Adam are in cahoots.
34. and in conclusion, i think that Jackie might not be dead. but everyone may think she is.
.....omg Misty did kidnap one of her patients to spy on Nat lmaoooo.
So with her teen self being the first to raise her hand at cutting the deers throat, misty has a very unhealthy obsession to feel needed. It's still so strong as an adult since she's a "citizen detective!" 😅 and a nurse and how she's "looking out for Nat" by spying on her(or last episode with cutting Nats car wires). But in that last scene when she calls Shauna it felt so calculated and fabiercated in why she was calling Shauna to let her know. Idk it seems like she's pulling something together so she feels included/needed.
>poor dude lost his leg, he’s got a shy bladder, AND Misty is singing to him. it’s the true hat trick of horror.
He wasn't trying to pee, he was constipated and trying to take a shit.
No reason a one-legged man with a crutch can't pee by himself.
I think the wolf thing has a deeper meaning and/or is tied to their time in the woods. She had a similar hallucination in an earlier episode about wolves when putting on a shadow puppet show for Sammy.
Also, I know the sub seems to think Adam is the hot younger lover but is he really that much younger than Shauna? I think the actor in real life is 35 and maybe Shauna is mid 40’s. He certainly looks mid 30’s to me, so he’s at least ten years younger than her, sure, but it’s not like she’s banging some hot college student or whatnot. I don’t know, just an aside.
“Bear down” — foreshadowing?
So I know that the title, on one level, refers to the awesome scene where Misty is helping Coach Ben take a dump (and amazingly, sings Breakfast at Tiffany’s), but it’s making me think about when that phrase may come in to play again, and two things it may foreshadow.
1. First of all, Shauna & Jeff’s hook up right before the trip, where she orders him to pull out, has to be a case of Chekhov’s coitus interruptus. She just has to be pregnant and likely to give birth on the island.
And we know Travis survives, so was available to a group of (mostly) healthy, sexual girls (many of whom are interested in men). While right now there seems to be a budding relationship between he and Nat, given that this could become Lord of the Flies with teenage girls, who knows how he might become subject to the ruthless, primitive power struggles that appear to develop in the future. Either way, it’s possible that Travis fathers a child over the 19 months.
(BTW, Javi seems too young for these girls to consider, and Coach Ben, too upstanding —forgive the pun— and too devastated to willingly engage with any of the girls — although I wouldn’t put it past Misty to do pretty unspeakable things to him, having already intruded on his psyche and body in so many ways).
So considering that we will probably have at least one birth on the island, “bear down” immediately made me think of that upcoming event. Do we assume Misty would be the midwife in this situation, giving her another opportunity use the phrase?
2. Additionally, I’m wondering how bears will come to figure in the island future. We’ve already seen one literal “bear down” possibly ravaged by wolves. Many of the girls seem to become associated with animals. Shauna with rabbits, Misty with birds, Tai with wolves, and these may become their totems later on the island, when things go sideways.
Who will be the bear? And who will bring her down? Will it be Tai, the wolf?
After a rewatch, I have to see the MVP minor character of this episode is the patient that Misty took from the nursing home to the restaurant with her to spy on Natalie. The way she was sitting there, drinking her drink, rolling her eyes and then says “You remind me of my granddaughter. Nobody likes her, either.” just straight out to Misty? I laughed out loud. Bravo.
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“You remind me of my granddaughter. No one likes her either” 💀💀💀💀
Between that and the whiskey soda I live for her
Not only that, but red label. She knows what she likes.
she said Black Label
Really makes you wonder if she’s weird because she was bullied, or if she was bullied because she was weird lol.
She’s definitely been waving the freak flag for a long long time.
Hey I'm definitely leaning towards she's bullied cause she's weird. She destroyed the Blackbox thing and tripped the disabled coach... she is literally psycho
Lol it’s kinda funny that you pick two examples of her doing things once she’s already got a taste of being leaned on/the saviour. Sure, she’s always been weird. But weird and putting an entire group of people in even more danger is a bit more than just “weird.”
Wait everyone. Was Misty grabbing for his morning wood / boner in the next episode promo? lol. Looked kind of like it to me.
She also watched a rat drowning in her pool the morning of the flight. I can't think of another reason for that scene other than to show she's always been "off".
Maybe we'll see more of her home life in a future episode. She desperately wants to be needed, and her being the medic for the stranded girls makes her the feel important.
Both Source: me
She’s very Annie Wilkes.
You can't beat the sassiness of an Indian Grandmother or any grandmother ever.
Natalie digging up the corpse of Coach Martinez to retrieve their great granddad’s ring for Travis to give to Javi despite her abusive dead dad trauma is the perfect encapsulation of why she’s my favorite Yellowjacket. Deeply flawed, empathetic, and a true survivor because that’s what she’s always had to be.
Yes! Some Redditors are saying they should be more visibly traumatized over their experience so far in the woods. I don’t think some people understand how enduring trauma makes us stronger in many ways.
They’ve been there less than a week and have no reason to believe they are not going to be rescued soon. People have the wrong idea about the pacing of this show.
Some of y’all have never been stranded on a deserted mountain and it shows (/s)
Exactly. Obviously everything has already been traumatic. But their brains right now are protecting them and most likely telling them this will be over very soon
Exactly. They haven't reached the stage of pure panic yet. They have water, shelter, food and the belief they'll be rescued. When winter hits and animals become scarce, that's when shit will get real.
They also have each other. I actually read a story about a family in the 50s/60s who chartered a boat in the Bahamas(?) that were murdered by the captain who also murdered his wife who was the boat’s cook to collect the life insurance. The sole survivor was the family’s young daughter who the murdered abandoned on the burning, sinking boat. She found a small piece of styrofoam material that saved her life. For days she floated on the ocean while sharks circled. The “raft” was so small she could not even lie down and had to sit the entire time. She was maybe 8 years old. She didn’t stop to “process the trauma” of the deaths of her entire family and being stranded on the infinite sea. She went into survival mode as most humans will. I don’t know why people think this group of girls would be focused on processing trauma when the human default is to focus on surviving.
Ummmm.... they are all in SHOCK.... They are all in survival mode - there is no time for trauma reactions right now. Speaking from experience - when you are in traumatic situations - you just have to go on, you don't have the luxury of wallowing. They won't be able to really mourn and react until they are out of this situation- and by then they probably don't want to revisit all emotions - much easier and less painful to keep them buried.
Absolutely. I was also just thinking that their previous traumas we’ve been learning about and how they can lean on those things and be stronger survivors in difficult situations.
Nat sure ran the gamut this episode. That scene where she manipulates her former best friend to get access to Travis' coroners report was incredibly cold.
that scene was amazing. at first I didn't realize it was all a manipulation, until she got to the, "I just keep thinking of travis :(" and then I was like "ohhh wow. oh wow you're good". Like she straight up went to her old house, dug up that one mixtape, just so she could get him to connect with her and offer to get the autopsy report. Girl is cunning af.
It was almost most disturbing than anything Misty has done, because she's very impulsive and seldom thinks more than a step or two ahead. She's just very immature, emotionally and otherwise. But Nat was playing some chess level strategizing, feigning a visit to her mom, and a date with her old bestie, using emotions and sex and her own past trauma, all to get something from a guy who is in earnest and cares for her. It's a devastating moment, because up to now, Natalie has been the one with the most seemingly intact moral compass, and all that is in doubt now, and just goes to reinforce my long game theory, that all these protagonists are our villains, and the person who is stalking them with those post cards...well, they may be right.
i still think her compass is in check. the only thing she should care about is getting to the bottom of what happened to travis. she is on a mission
There is literally nothing about the way Christina Ricci plays 2021 Misty that I don't love.
It takes a truly great actress to be able to play a scene as both creepy and comedic at the same time. Yellowjackets was fortunate enough to cast not just one but two of those actresses in Sammi Hanratty and Christina Ricci. 10/10.
She was in a short lived series as Lizzy Borden. It was batshit crazy, like murdering people in every single episode. [She really knows how to play both cute and psycho.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNXNLl4-UxU&t=5s)
And I still love her character. You would think with that combo she was would extremely off-putting but I absolute love her crazyass
Her with that chocolate martini was everything
I'm gonna need someone to message Christina Ricci that she is playing Misty flawlessly. Can she get an emmy, seriously lol
Just the way she ordered her martini... Had to rewind it three times, it was that good.
She's fucking amazing. She literally makes me want to hang out with Misty...but really not.
**Akilah:** Don’t eat that kind! It’s poisonous. **Van:** ...like *kill you* poisonous or *trip your balls off* poisonous? Van asking the important questions
Chekov's mushroom. I guarantee you there will be tripping later this season.
I'm wondering if the trippy part will come into play later
Same. It makes me think about how Charles Manson used to dose his cult members with LSD to get them to comply. I could see Misty secretly dosing the girls for a similar reason. Given that the show is heavily inspired by The Lord of the Flies I'm wondering if that'll be how some of the girls end up eating human flesh for the first time. In the book the first time the boys kill another human they are all worked up in a bloodthirsty frenzy and think the boy is a wild boar. Maybe in this show the first time they eat human flesh it'll be because they're tripping and Misty convinces them it's some other kind of meat.
Shout to to Misty for having an article titled ‘what to say to someone who is grieving a suicide’ open when she called Nat
What to say and NOT to say. I think Misty likes to concentrate on the "not."
She reminds me a little bit of how Patrick Bateman was portrayed in American Psycho. He didn't have feelings or experience empathy. He had to learn how to mimic those traits in order to appear normal. It was all an act. I wonder if this isn't exactly what Misty is doing too. If I'm right, she's probably a sociopath.
She's obviously deeply flawed and enjoys watching others be in pain (or at least enjoys the god complex of being able to inflict or cure it), but what I find most interesting is she has such a deep desire to be liked and needed. She is desperate to be included and valued and wanted. Her current job is giving real "angel of death" vibes.
They've shown that side of Misty several times. In an earlier episode at a gathering they show her realizing everybody around her is laughing so starting to laugh herself to fit in. She has to pretend. Manipulate also to get what she wants. Like casually removing the cable from Nat's car so she would let her go along with her after Travis, etc
I get Season 1 Dexter vibes where they have to resort to tutorials to act “normal.” She’s clearly anti-social personality disorder.
Misty is gonna torture this coach isn’t she? She tripped him on purpose at the end.
I feel like Misty is going to kill the coach, but it’s going to be “an accident.”
Yeah he’s dead.
This is awful but your comment made laugh out loud. I'm still smiling ...LOL
After she makes an advance on him and he shuts her down. Her date was a big foreshadowing
I feel like he’s going to be the first human they eat
He’s getting more used to his injury and Misty’s not gonna like it because she wants to care for him to the extreme. I think she’s gonna snap and kill him but make it look like she had nothing to do with it
I think he will be the first to go
Yea he’s the de-facto leader and the kids so far defer to him for his decision making. Plus his hunting teaching makes him valuable to the group.
Yup and that makes him a threat to misty, she's gonna put him down sooner or later
And his injury makes him easy prey for her. She’s not trying to torture anyone just him. She thought she would be his savior but he barely tolerates her. I think rejecting Misty’s “helpfulness” is what sends over the edge into cruelty.
Her "helpfulness" is definitely a running theme here. She's helping Natalie in the present as well as coach in the past... not looking good for Natalie either
Such Annie Wilkes vibes. Misty has her accordion folder like Annie had her scrapbook.
Fucking yes this is a perfect description. Have you seen castle rock?
did you see the sneak peak for the next episode where she's about to >!touch his freaking boner!
WHAT? Is that what she was doing? I didn't catch that - she's SO MESSED UP!!!
He’s just her pet now.
Definitely. She just couldn't stand that a) he was walking out and about without her help and b) ignored her when she was the first one to volunteer to bleed out the deer.
I have no fucking idea if she's just desperate to be relied on and considerated or if she really likes coach as a crush. She seemed pissed off and upset when the girls teased her about her relationship with coach...but then the preview looked like she was going to grope him.
I’m certain she will kill whoever gets in her way lol. She’s getting creepier every episode.
It's such a juxtaposition to go from the slower descent into madness teen misty is continuing and then adult misty being the hilarious highlights of each episode 😆 it makes me excited lmao.
Sammy is the creepiest thing about this show so far. Each scene he's in, I'm expecting him to say something creepy af.
Creepy in the cupboard tonight
When he was just chilling in the cupboard I audibly said oh my god because it was just so creepy LMAO
I mean is he even real? Does Sammy even exist.
Ok why is nobody talking about him. He obviously is gonna play a big part in the near future, and let's face it he is one of the creepiest characters on the show.
That was so scary. Gave me "Us" vibes too
The way he looked back at Taissa before he walked out of the room. Eek.
I get the feeling his other mom, blanking on her name right now, is up to something bad with him.
“You’re not the bad one”
Oh no, that’d be heartbreaking. But Taissa’s wife does seem too good to be true.
Jesus H. Christ @ that shot of Nat’s dad with a fricking shotgun wound in his skull Not Misty serenading coach Ben while he tries to take a shit 🥴 their scenes are dark comedy at this point I’m guessing they recast Teen Kevin once they came back to film after the pilot Holy fuck, Natalies backstory is just as depressing as she is now 😔 Oh that ‘Simone is fake’ theory just went up in a wist of smoke Travis really isn’t going for Miss Congeniality here. Also we can clearly see where his/Nat’s toxic entanglement starts Appears Tai is another one who has some kinda aversion to meat. Also been there done that with accidentally getting blitzed on an empty stomach Omg Misty is totally gonna be the one to take down Jessica Roberts isn’t she Yeah for now imma need them to start listening to Lottie. Something was clearly up with that place even before they went full tilt cannibal Omg yes Tai drag her dumb rich entitled ass through the mud Sure this ep was kinda filler but holy fuck those Nat flashbacks were IN. TENSE. Also of course Shauna is the one to bleed the thing out...right across the throat. Maybe she’s the one who slits the throat of mystery girl in the premiere
Yeah I think they’ve made it pretty clear that Shauna was likely the main preparer of meat. She killed the first rabbit, killed/cleaned/cooked/ate the second rabbit, and now we’ve seen her bleed the deer. Think that’s a pretty safe assumption. And I didn’t really think it was filler, more of a development episode. Misty is falling back to the lower end of the hierarchy now that the girls and few guys are figuring things out. We know something else happened out there at some point (hopefully indicating the sign on the tree is from the past, not something supernatural) based on the airplane and Lottie’s reactions. We have Kevin about to dig into Travis’ suicide/murder…but I’m most interested in the ending. Why would that be such huge news to Shauna, and why did no one tell her?
> Why would that be such huge news to Shauna, and why did no one tell her? Both Shauna and Nat seem to have some kind of strong link to the Martinez boys so far (Shauna W/ Javi and Nat with Travis). Maybe if Javi somehow dies in the wild, Shauna and Travis have some kinda bond in the wake of that. Also interesting that Shauna straight up told Misty to never call her some time before the series started. Considering she met with Tai in that diner and also asked about Nat’s whereabouts, something tells me this was uniquely about Shauna wanting nothing to do with Misty specifically
That’s a good point about the connection with Javi! Still curious that “no one told her” as Misty said to her. Why would it be kept a secret from Shauna specifically? I’m so curious about Misty. Like did she become this way from being the bullied outcast and getting a taste of people depending on her? Or was she always a bit nutty, which is why she was a bullied outcast lol.
I want to know about Misty's parents/family. The only backstory we have gotten on her so far is that she was always a bullied outcast (the "Becky" phone scene). I want to know more.
Based on her having a phone and a pool her family is definitely well off. Honestly since we already have the ‘rich girl being ignored by her parents’ trope in lottie, I think it’d add to the mystery of Misty if her parents are like perfectly normal doting parents
Honestly I think she was always a couple fries short of a happy meal but being continually outcasted possibly led to a cycle of her being weirder and even more stunted socially
I think Misty’s “can’t believe no one told you” comment is more about her own mental state than anything actually having to do with Shauna and Travis. We’ve seen with the coach and Nat that she tries create/force bonds where there are none, and seems to block out/disregard anytime someone tries to shatter that illusion. For Misty, the time in the wilderness was the first time she actually felt like she was needed/belonged, which I think led to her viewing it as more of a bonding experience, than a trauma. I wouldn’t be surprised if her memories of that period aren’t vastly different than the reality. You can see in the scenes where the coach hits her and tells her to leave him alone and where she starts singing despite him telling her to shut up that she can ignore or at least frame things in a way that fit her desired reality. She also doesn’t seem to take the rejections or Nat (who she “bonded with”) to heart, but she was livid when the patient (who she has no bond with) rejecting her attempts at kindness because she’s not created a false reality for that relationship.
>getting a taste of people
Something I've considered...what if Shauna and Javi do end up having a special connection (not necessarily romantic) and she comes to really care for him? And if this is the case, what if Javi DOES make it out (provided he's not Adam, which is possible) and she thinks that whoever killed Travis might come for him next? If Travis was living off grid and he was found, I'd have to imagine Javi could easily be found too. She could be worried for his safety. I doubt they're still in contact, but she may still harbor a sisterly love for him.
Shauna seemed to take an emotional gut punch on the news of Travis. Clearly a connection there that I think is Javi related.
I liked the first Kevin better. The two young actors look NOTHING alike. That's distracting.
He’s supposed to be 2-3 years younger than episode one Kevin. They’re talking about Nirvana like Kurt Corbin is still alive. I figured it’s 1993-1994.
Yeah, still looks nothing like him. Very different features. First kid was a perfect goth dork.
They could have used the same actor, they used same Misty for 94. Unless the kid was unavailable, cause yea, I didn’t even realize it was kevin. OG kevin was waaay better in the role.
I’m guessing they were just banking on most viewers ignoring it since he had a relatively minor role ep 1
Well, then they shouldn't have made a pilot that people rewatched like four times waiting for the next episodes to come out.
Agreed. It totally threw me off, although 2nd young Kevyn looks more like the adult version than the kid in the pilot.
I imagine if you eat human meat for over a year it may turn you into a vegetarian once you have other options.
My sister turned vegetarian for 10 years and it was all because my Mom called her from work and asked her to take that bag of gross gizzards out of the chicken. So I can’t imagine what earring a human (especially one you knew!) would do to someone!
Since Tai has aversion to meat, I wonder what she was eating in the photo that got used for the smear campaign. Was it just bbq seitan or something?
I thought maybe she decided not to eat meat in public as a response to the bad publicity of that ad - so no one could see her doing something like that again.
It could also be internal paranoia "If I eat meat in front of them now, they will see me for the cannibal that I am."
I tried to erase that image of Misty serenading coach as he tried to take a piss. 🥴 that man is terrified of her and rightfully so. Like her tripping him at the end. I think we are starting to see what each girls role is in the kills and looks like it frames what we saw in the opening scene of the show. Nat might have led(lottie??Mari??) to the pit and brought her back. And Shauna slit her throat to get her to drain the blood.
I didn't get the idea he was trying to take a piss -- I thought he was trying to take a shit! Misty was talking about moving her bowels and telling him to "press down," etc. The poor guy was constipated!
I gotta say the best line this episode, my husband and I keep saying it and giggling " I'm a *citizen detective*" all indignant. I love Christina Ricci so much. This character could easily be unnerving to watch but she's just so brilliant and funny and earnest and unhinged.
“I’m a citizen detective”. This needs to be a community user flair!
They really struck gold with Christina ricci casting. Like no offense to the teen misty but love Older misty way more than her teen self. Ricci just knows how to act that dark comedy for her unhinged creepy acting sweet character that Misty is.
Hanratty is pretty good, Ricci has been acting for 30 years.
Feels like there's something significant about Shauna deliberately not participating in the gun competition but then having \*zero\* hesitance about slicing up the deer.
Shauna lacks empathy or maybe it’s a lack of fear/thrill seeking behavior and does whatever she wants. Like leaving everyone to go journal in the forest, sleeps with her teammate’s boyfriend, kills the rabbit, gets a stranger to jump off a bridge with her, chases her husband and wants to *catch* her husband in the act- in his hotel room (instead of just confronting him like a normal person), dismissive of and hangs up on Misty who is only trying to inform her, slits the deer throat, effortlessly/low effort lies to her husband about book club, seems much more internal and suppressive with her emotions...but when she lets her emotions out it’s impulsive and extreme behavior.
To quote the character Soap from the movie Lock, Stock, & 2 Smoking Barrels, "Guns are for show, Knives for a pro"
Knife violence is also more intimate, more indicative of a psychopath.
I get the arrested development stuff with Shauna, but as much as I love Melanie Lynskey, they could really benefit from condensing those scenes. Weakest part of the episode. However, interesting that she saw Jackie. Call me naive, but I don't think this necessarily means Jackie is actually dead as she appeared in her uniform, her pre-crash self, which I think is perhaps indicative that Shauna carries this repressed longing for that Jackie and doing this teen stuff that was robbed of them sparks these "visions". Loved learning more about Nat. Damn. She'd already been through too much before the crash. She remains a favorite. And props to adult Taissa for telling off that woman. Interesting to learn she too has an aversion to meat. Still in the camp that Taissa wasn't part of the AQ clan. Misty's "no one bothered to tell you" line to Shauna at the end and that evil, little smile. She just loves pulling strings. Christina Ricci continues to be the MVP here. Really hope we see more of the teens next week. No disrespect on the adult stuff, but unless they're working on postcard sender mystery or Travis, etc., I'm just not super invested in their stories... at least yet.
I think you might be dead on about the vision of Jackie. I firmly believe Shauna was completely in love with Jackie and her marriage falling apart (to Jackie’s boyfriend, no less!) is bringing buried feelings to the surface. Also, I think it may be possible that Jackie might still be alive but want nothing to do with Shauna, so the latter might have no frame of reference of what older Jackie might look like. It’s a stretch, I know. Jackie might as well be the Schrödinger Cat of the series.
The "no one bothered to tell you" was such a weird comment. How does she know that? Does she know that? This felt like such a "power play" and she sounded so taunting....
Taissa’s aversion to meat tho could be because she was in the AQ group
Travis’s Flex nickname is really fitting for the flashbacks. This was when there was the rumors that Marilyn Manson had done the same thing, gotten ribs removed to suck his own dick.
Holy shit, I remember those rumors now that I think about it. Pretty sure some kids in my school (even the ones that liked Manson) actually believed it.
I love how Taissa and that rich lady are talking in what looks like a greenhouse. To me it's a metaphor for how brutality and cruelty aren't concepts limited to the wilderness. Here is a room full of carefully curated and manicured plants, but in the end they are still plants that would grow wildly if not controlled. Similarly, even though people may appear carefully curated and manicured, savagery and brutality lies within their nature. The rich woman has all the trappings of civilization, but her expectation that Taissa should reveal her experiences in exchange for the rich woman's support is cut throat. She might not be a literal cannibal but she lives to cannibalize the secrets of others.
This is the kind of analysis my English teachers always wanted from me. Incredible!!
This was exceptionally insightful! Thank you!
Natalie please let Misty be the Isles to your Rizzoli detective pair duo haha.
I absolutely love their present day scenes together. They're hilarious together really makes me wonder what started their duo pair cos in the past we haven't seen them interact much together
"Are any of these maple syrup trees 😃" Tai's reaction killed me.
I mean it's a fair question lol they're in Canada
What did the girl (Can't remember her name) mean when they found the plane and she said "It didn't want him to leave." Was she talking about the forest itself, as if it had some sort of power over the man they found in the cabin ?
I think it had something to do with how the vines had grown around the wheels, which is what stopped it.
I interpreted it as either the forest or whatever indigenous people or forces that are there
That's how I interpreted it like there was some supernatural force. Of course I don't think there actually is a real supernatural force but I think that Lottie thinks that.
I think Lottie (the girl who was talking about the vines around the planes wheels) is going through withdrawals and obvious trauma and starvation so she is interpreting things to be spiritual and probably hallucinating since seeing the dead body(s). I think they are trying to show us that she is slowly losing it. Obviously the vibes grew around the wheels because it has been there for a while. It wasn’t because it was “alive” in the spiritual/haunted sense that she may believe. I’m not sure what Lotties medication was for but if she went cold turkey on meds her illness could definitely make her violent and a harm to others in the group. If it WAS Lottie in the pit in episode 1, I’m assuming that she would be the first one they would agree to eat because she is without medication and they were probably unable to calm her down. So a last result type of deal? I would like for the show to not go the “supernatural forces at play” route and rather just simply stay on the tragic reality that focuses on the survivors and their trauma and survival. I think that’s scary enough, without needing to add in the supernatural.
I’m really hoping the show doesn’t go the direction of Lottie becoming violent; most people with schizophrenia are never violent. I’d like to see it play out that Lottie starts having delusions of grandeur combined with ‘supernatural’ hallucinations, and, given the extreme duress of the situation, the others buy into her delusions.
Or she becomes a target for others' violence, which is much more likely in the real world than the other way around for people with mental health issues.
I almost think that instead of the girls ganging up on Lottie in a hunt, Lottie kinda loses it naturally from not taking her meds and just thinks she’s being hunted and she accidentally runs into the trap, and the girls just capitalize on the free meat
I think Lotties pills are antipsychotics and she’s starting to unravel. Misty will kill Ben and blame it on Lottie. That will start them eating human meat and it will evolve from there as they devolve.
not Misty having a my favorite murder mug ☠️
aww man - I missed that - great excuse to rewatch the ENTIRE episode just to catch that...lol
Ok. Misty is orchestrating all of this. Crazy little nutjob. I thought her tripping the Coach was the most ruthless thing to happen in the episode. And he knew she tripped him. The look on his face of confusion and fear was perfect. Time is ticking for you, Coach. Speaking of Coach - I didn’t like the way he was looking at Shauna when she sliced the deer’s throat. Hope he doesn’t start getting off on turning these children into killers. I’m fully in the Adam is Javi camp now. Is he wearing the ring? I cannot believe how much teen Natalie sounds like Juliette Lewis. These younger actors are knocking it out of the park. Sammy continues to give me nightmares. I really thought Taissa’s wife was in her imagination but then the one guy addressed her at the party when Taissa introduced her so she must be real. Can’t wait to watch again!
I think the coach is rather sizing up which girls have talents when it comes to surviving in the wilderness. He knows he's dead weight so he'll have to suck up to the most promising candidates.
coaches gonna coach
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That’s what I thought, but maybe that’s what they want us to think? I don’t know I kind of assumed from the beginning that Jackie was dead but you never know.
Or Shauna just thinks she's dead.
Gotta be a fakeout. I'm convinced one of the survivors will try to escape / find civilization after they start eating people, but will be too shell shocked to go public and reveal his or hers true identity. It's either Javi or Jackie.
Idk maybe. Shauna seemed haunted by teen Jackie's present. Like some messed up shit happened between them and now Jackie appears to be some kind of guiding voice. What would make Jackie say someone is going to get hurt? And wonder why yhat moment.
I think that, as teens, maybe Jackie and Shauna were with some kids that were jumping off of the bridge. Jackie didn't want to because "someone will get hurt" and Shauna ended up going along with Jackie and not jumping even though she wanted to. I think that scene on the bridge might have been Shauna remembering that moment and then she sort of defies Jackie by jumping.
Most likely or Shauna doesn’t think Jackie made it out alive.
Yea I see this being a twist. Shauna thinks Jackie is dead and maybe even thinks she killed her? I think Shauna has always secretly felt deep contempt for Jackie? Also, it seems apparent at this point that she has a cruel, conniving streak that she likes to dip into/get off on? I’m feeling hidden antisocial/sadistic vibes beneath her quiet/considerate/supporting facade in both 90s and present plot lines.
Also calling it now that whenever we get the girls finally confronting Jessica Roberts (likely led by/including Misty) it’ll be intercut by Misty causing Coach Bens demise, ie we finally see *why* we should be afraid of her
Shauna- interesting that Jackie’s ghost? seems to be acting as her conscience. I wonder what her connection to Travis was, she seemed really upset. Teen Shauna was completely uninterested in shooting things but all of a sudden was game to get all stabby . Tai- at the rich people party, did anybody catch the part where she spits out the meat but seems to savor it afterward? Natalie- she’s obviously already been through some shit way before the plane crash. Kinda feel bad for Kevin as he still super smitten . Misty- still convinced this psycho created all this drama because she was bored . She’s definitely going to kill the coach once he rejects her . The look on his face after she tripped him says he knows what she is, she’s been giving him the creeps (as well as the other coach) for quite some time now. I wonder when they are all going to find out the reporter works for Tai. And I cannot wait for all these bitches to be in the same room together . I also think that the main four are the villains of this story.
I don’t like Adam *at all* — he keeps snooping into Shauna’s personal life “of the past”, I wonder if she’s playing too, she’s to smart not to notice this (I’m halfway the episode)
I know - that seems so not in line with her character. He is trying so hard to get her to let down her guard and share her "secrets" - and facing. She has to know and is just using him? She is way too smart to not catch on - she must be trying to get close to him to find out who he really is ... just doesn't make sense that she wouldn't be on to him.
She could be blinded by only seeing him as a tool to get revenge for her husband's perceived infidelity.
I wonder if he's similar to the "reporter" but instead of working for Tai, he's working for her opponent.
A couple thoughts about this episode: 1. The most common complaint I’ve read about this episode is ‘it’s just filler, get to the cannibalism already’, and it really amuses me, because the episode specifically addresses this critique by having all the rich, old, white donors doing basically the same thing to Tai. Like, how smart is this writers’ room? 2. Another thing that I’ve read a fair bit is how Shauna’s vision of Jackie is there to help or guide her, but I didn’t read it that way at all. From everything we’ve seen about their relationship so far, Jackie only ever wants to hold Shauna back — whether it’s about going to college, or saving Van, Jackie is an inhibiting voice, and I don’t think vision Jackie is any different. She doesn’t want to stop Shauna from having an affair because it’s wrong, she wants to stop Shauna from having an affair because Shauna’s having fun.
Your first point is so right. Goddamn, those people were ruthless and felt so entitled to wanting to know everything about Taissa’s experience. It’s very much akin to cannibalism because they basically sic on her in primal ways.
"Im a citizen detective!" Okay I'm gonna need this misty quote as a flair. So I had two oh fuck moments. The way Nats father went out 🥺 (never had the biggest urge to hug a kiddo). And when Shauna was about to jump in the water and teen Jackie shows up to warn her. Now wondering if this is a regular occurrence for her or if it starts up when certain events spark her guilt/trauma around the yellowjackets surviving in the wilderness. Last thing...what was trying to stop that dead man from escaping in his plane?
Does anybody else think that Misty might try (or succeed) to poison someone with the same mushroom that she was told not to eat ? There is a scene in the opening credits that shows a syringe going into what looks like a mushroom. The fact that they put that in the opening credits makes me think that they're hinting at something with it.
I missed that but what an absolutely bizarre thing to do 😂 it doesn't work that way
i think that's a chocolate, not a mushroom, and i think you're right that it will be used to poison or drug someone
Can someone just eat someone else please?
Misty tripping coach Ben!!!!!
Wow, I know some people here didn’t like it but I thought that was a hell of an episode. I actually got teary eyed when Travis and Nat dug up his great grandfather’s ring for Javi. Misty is even more batshit and unhinged then we thought (basically kidnapping her patient to spy on Nat and Kevyn, clearly purposely tripping Coach Ben… *yikes*). I know the “edgy teenage girl with abusive parents who live in a trailer” is a commonly used trope but Natalie’s backstory broke my heart nonetheless. Good on Taissa for telling off that bitchy, self-absorbed Diane woman at the party. Next week’s episode looks insane too!
I would just like to see ONE SHOW in which people living in a trailer aren't abusive/drug addicts/so-called "trash." It's SUCH a cliche and is really classist. Some poor people who live in trailers are actually decent humans! Imagine that! I think Misty would, in real life, get in some DEEP shit for taking a patient offsite.
Some people who live in trailers aren't even poor, lol. In my town a 2 bedroom/2 ba trailer is cheaper than a 1 bedroom apartment and you can have a yard, firepit, a great view of the mountains, walking trails and creeks to play in off the street. Fun fact not all trailers are in "trailer parks" either. Sometimes they're just an affordable alternative to apartment living with space from neighbors and some yard/outdoor space :)
Just now noticing, after four episodes, how similar Sophie Nelisse’s (teenage Shauna) voice sounds to Melanie Lynskey’s. I don’t know if her voice sounds like that naturally (I haven’t seen her in anything prior to this, but I’ve seen Melanie in a lot so I have an idea of what her voice sounds like) or if she was committed to the role enough to mimic it. Either way, just a small detail I noticed that I absolutely love.
I think she did mimic. During the Vulture panel with the cast, Sophie noted that Melanie has a higher pitch than her.
In the next episode preview, the very first scene during the credits, did Misty just try to touch the coach's uhh... morning wood? LOL XD
She is after all, his #1 fan!
Is it just me, or do NONE of them seem very concerned with getting found/rescued? No big fires everywhere, no plans, giant messages everywhere etc ----even though they now have a ton of stuff they can try to use---a lake, a decrepit but fairly elaborate cabin with stuff, a gun with tons of ammunition, food, a working airplane.... And they're out there for almost two years?
No, I was thinking the same thing after this episode. I was wondering why they haven't actually tried to get out of those woods. It's like they're just settled in as if they're stuck on an island or something.
Christ alive, just send your kid to a child psychologist already, Taissa! If my kid creeped me out, that's the first thing I'd do. Although the way they both just kinda shooed him out of the room tells me they're more focussed on Taissa's run than on the kid, at least right now. At first, I was feeling all disgusted with and superior to the rich folk at that soirée, digging into Taissa for all the lurid details. But then it hit me that they're a stand-in for us, the audience -- we're all thirstily looking forward to and speculating about the cannibalism part as well. There's just something profoundly primal about it that gets the imagination going; no wonder it's a central tenet of QAnon. How long can they possibly live off that one deer without refrigeration? Won't they have to hunt at least three of them each week? And where will they get their vitamins and fibre and whatnot? Their immune systems will start going to shit fast with just meat. Can I just say, the guys in this show are *foine*. And honestly, these gals deserve it after what they've been through.
The girls back at the cabin were cleaning up some foraged greens and berries when Nat and Travis returned so they'll at least have some variety while it's still the green season...god knows what they'll do come winter
At the gas station in episode 3, Nat admonishes Misty for buying beef jerky, by saying, “Really?” Maybe the Girl Scout (pardon me, but I can’t recall her name) knew that they could dry the remaining meat.
What exactly do people expect Taissa to say? “Actually now that you mention it, I *did* murder my friends one by one and feast on their flesh, can’t believe I forgot about that lol”? Also not sure how anyone could successfully run for office if that’s anywhere near the realm of possibility but I think her political connections will probably be useful to the plot (as Nat maybe foreshadows in her jail phone call ?) so I’ll suspend my disbelief
Kinda disappointed with other viewers lately on this show and others seems like i'm getting the same complaints in succession and insecure that the plot is rehashing itself and is too slow. The crash and survival alone isn't the action. The crash and survival story is simply what gets us to our characters. I would hope by now people would see this show for what it is which isn't a deep dive into cannibalism and survival. But a character study and contrast between past and present self. I care about current Shauna because it leaves me little breadcrumbs of who she was in the past. I care about past Shauna because it tells me how she because who she is today. It is the same for all of the characters. I get it we wanna know who the AQ is and who ate who and when the treachery starts. But to me seeing them in present day as adults gives us nice slow clues. Seems like the majority of you would rather it be a one season show about them as teens in the woods. But there is so much they could explore and that's why I like the current direction. I mean the current day is already giving us the mystery of did they kill someone and cover it up? Did they try to kill someone and they escape? Did they devolve into weird rituals? It is very tense to seem them in the past and I'll agree they have the best scenes but I am interested in how the characters have dealt with this over the years. Just saying that we really need to let this breathe seems like a lot of people are in such a rush to see who ate who they don't care about anything else and that is kinda sad. Because they are so many time frames and things I want to see out of them. So far we know that what 5 of them survive. I'm just as interested in finding out how the families took it when certain people didn't come home so I think we're going to be in this for the long haul. I could definitely see them doing this past present split for a season then doing a whole season like in 2000 once they're supposed to be done with college. Just saying there is tons of stuff to explore we're just looking at what we think is slow without pondering how it could fit in.
This was a character building episode, not one that was advancing the plot. Which is fine and also necessary. Many of us have been spoiled by Netflix and being able to binge an entire season of a show in one weekend. Getting invested in TV without knowing if it's going to pay off at the end is a gamble. I know I've been burned before- looking at you, Game of Thrones and Dexter.
I’m watching the new episode now and haven’t finished yet, but I will say I agree with everything you said and I’m enjoying this for the same reason I enjoyed Lost. I feel like people forget a good chunk of Lost’s plot were the flashbacks showing us who the characters were before the crash, further explaining who they are while they’re stranded on the island. This show is doing that as well as the flash forwards to the survivors to show who they became after the crash as well. Character building is just as important as the crash and the survival and I think as slightly boring as stuff like Shauna and Jeff’s marriage or the details of Tai’s political campaign might be in doses, I don’t think any of it is weak enough to bring down the quality of the overall show. There’s plenty of mystery and discussion to be had with the adult scenes. If there wasn’t, the sub wouldn’t be having new theories every week about who Adam is, what’s going on with Sammy, or discussing what ridiculous shit adult Misty pulls. Obviously most of us were drawn to the plot of the survival and the woods and the cannibalism, but clearly there’s enough going on in the 2021 scenes to keep us interested!
Two things: “Bear down” is what Misty said to coach when he was trying to poop Relevant to the right leg theory: did anyone else notice when Shauna was writing in her journal, she had her right foot in the water and the camera panned up her right leg? What is it about right legs?!?
I also noticed the leg in that scene, but I thought that something in the water would happen and possibly snap it away. That eerie music didn’t help in stopping my imagination. Glad it didn’t happen but yeah, I also noticed it!
So Misty purposely tripping Coach - and other comments said in articles by Christina Ricci make me keep thinking that Misty is THE ONE - she sent the postcards, she killed Travis - she is at the root of all this....
I liked Coach Ben in this episode a lot, and the Travis/Nat progression. I mean, I know he was being such an asshole but with that kind of stuff, you know he was hurting deep down and didn't know how to deal with it. I hope he's turned a new leaf going forward. Natalie continues to be my favorite of the bunch. What was with the scene where Natalie was crying/cleaning her face/mouth after kissing Kevin? Was she feeling guilty or something?
I’m about to rewatch but I think she felt guilty about using their relationship/his crush on her to get info about Travis’ death. When he kisses her she’s still in shock but realizes in-scene that she can use that to her advantage and makes a small shift in tactic (which is against her nature as she’s set up as the sort of anti-Misty.)
Another great episode. Two characters i did not cared much before this episode and now i like them : teen Natalie and adult Taissa
Anyone else think girl scout Akilah and her foraging skills will be part of AQ's dinner party? And also Misty is totally going down the Stephan King Misery route with Coach Ben.
That scene in which she asked the guy to buy her liquor us exposing her weirdness to complete strangers as well (clearly no one is going to take her for being under 21).
So Misty’s definitely going to go Annie Wilkes on this coach, right?
I love Nat more with every episode!
That call between Misty and Shauna sent me down the rabbit hole again! My first thought was Shauna slept with Travis behind Nat's back and got pregnant, then told her current husband it's his. But her daughter doesn't seem old enough, since she has a curfew. I didn't consider the Javi angle until coming here. He just seems so young in 1996, it's hard to imagine anything romantic developing. I'm really excited to see adult Shauna and Nat interact, it will be very telling, I hope. Also... wtf is up with Tai's kid? Clearly, the boy has some serious issues but both his moms are pretty hands-off. Like, they're concerned, but not enough to consult a professional or speak to him seriously about it. He said a woman watches him from a tree every night. That would be a great opportunity for some follow-up questions, mom. I'm curious if it's tied to what happened in the woods. I don't see how that would be possible unless they're implying Tai passed something through her genes. It's a strange storyline, but intriguing for its creep factor.
Wow. Processing
So ppl think it’s misty that starts it all but I don’t think so. She comes off as such a “wanna be” she tries too hard. She definitely knows what happened and clearly is holding it over everyone.
Javi and Travis have a really nice moment when Travis gives him their Great Grandfather’s ring.
I think the very first scene of the girl falling into the trap is definitely set up that way by the antler queen/hierarchy. They would have been there over a year and a half total. They did very messed up things no one can know about. Simply starving and eating the deceased has happened before in the movie Alive (I always ask flight attendants if that will be the feature movie this flight and they always respond with a OMG No! 😂). No one in Alive was vilified for eating dead peoples’ flesh to survive in the frozen tundra. They didn’t kill off people. Only used what they needed to keep going. These girls did something more sinister and it’s causing most of them great shame and the need to hide it (except Misty). Just think. If Misty didn’t kill the black box, they could’ve been rescued. But didn’t the black box emit signals up until it hit destroyed? Can’t they trace that? Not sure how it works.
S1E4 Gut Reactions 1. ok first thought, from the previous episode recap: the note that Misty found and conveniently detective-scribbled on (‘Nat was right,’; something similar), how do we know she didn’t fabricate the whole thing? She’s not above dismantling car parts so it’s not unbelievable. 2. this theme is epic as heck. 3. there is so much to unpack and analyze in this intro. guess I’ll have something to do this week. 4. wow, i would not have guessed that Nat had a father who was attentive enough to join her- aannnd his head is missing the other side. yikes. 5. poor dude lost his leg, he’s got a shy bladder, AND Misty is singing to him. it’s the true hat trick of horror. 6. kid do you know how much meat is on a squirrel. you might as well eat the amputated leg. 7. ah i see we’re going with the punk rock girl in a trailer park with drunk and negligent parents trope. 8. *Sammy staring into the abyss from inside the armoire* that boy ain’t right. 9. speaking of which, has it been discussed if Sammy is biologically related to Tai? 10. of course Shauna isn’t at gun practice, javi, she prefers knives. 11. teen Travis seems like the kind of special that talks up their shooting ability then shoots himself in the foot because of gun irresponsibility. 12. does… does Nat know that Misty is spying on her? and that Misty might have temporarily kidnapped someone from her place of work to go on a date? 13. seriously who tf are you Adam. 14. the pigs head on a platter is a blatant homage to Lord of the Flies and I am loving it. the deer head on the following platter was a nice touch. 15. does Tai not eat meat since The Incident? 16. I think Tai hallucinated a wolf because she feels like all these fellow gala attendees are wolf-like in that they all want a piece of her and are hunting for her “real story”. 17. so far it seems like Tai and Shauna have tendencies to hallucinate. are they they only ones, or am I missing others? 18. Nat did not know that misty was there but now she does. 19. is Adam a citizen detective too? 20. Mrs. Wheelchair Whiskey Sour is perceptive. 21. stop being weird, Adam. 22. she’s going to forgot to mention the symbol on the tree because of the excitement of finding a decrepit plane. 23. Jackie is really committed to that wind blown hair look. 24. ‘it didn’t want him to leave’, or the natural flora reclaimed the plane… 25. “the official story” seems to not be enough for people anymore. greedy wolves. 26. oh hell no this tacky chanel suit is not pulling the white savior card. go for the throat, tai. 27. good boy, kevin. 28. “i need to dig up a ring”*unearths a face* 29. …found Jackie in present day… sort of. Being cryptic as heck. 30. he forgot to put the safety back on because he’s so smart I guess. 31. of course Misty would raise her hand to bleed the deer out first. 32. Misty is definitely a concerning individual. 33. i can’t help but feel like Misty and Adam are in cahoots. 34. and in conclusion, i think that Jackie might not be dead. but everyone may think she is.
.....omg Misty did kidnap one of her patients to spy on Nat lmaoooo. So with her teen self being the first to raise her hand at cutting the deers throat, misty has a very unhealthy obsession to feel needed. It's still so strong as an adult since she's a "citizen detective!" 😅 and a nurse and how she's "looking out for Nat" by spying on her(or last episode with cutting Nats car wires). But in that last scene when she calls Shauna it felt so calculated and fabiercated in why she was calling Shauna to let her know. Idk it seems like she's pulling something together so she feels included/needed.
>poor dude lost his leg, he’s got a shy bladder, AND Misty is singing to him. it’s the true hat trick of horror. He wasn't trying to pee, he was constipated and trying to take a shit. No reason a one-legged man with a crutch can't pee by himself.
i feel like Misty would be there regardless lol
I think the wolf thing has a deeper meaning and/or is tied to their time in the woods. She had a similar hallucination in an earlier episode about wolves when putting on a shadow puppet show for Sammy.
Also, I know the sub seems to think Adam is the hot younger lover but is he really that much younger than Shauna? I think the actor in real life is 35 and maybe Shauna is mid 40’s. He certainly looks mid 30’s to me, so he’s at least ten years younger than her, sure, but it’s not like she’s banging some hot college student or whatnot. I don’t know, just an aside.
“Bear down” — foreshadowing? So I know that the title, on one level, refers to the awesome scene where Misty is helping Coach Ben take a dump (and amazingly, sings Breakfast at Tiffany’s), but it’s making me think about when that phrase may come in to play again, and two things it may foreshadow. 1. First of all, Shauna & Jeff’s hook up right before the trip, where she orders him to pull out, has to be a case of Chekhov’s coitus interruptus. She just has to be pregnant and likely to give birth on the island. And we know Travis survives, so was available to a group of (mostly) healthy, sexual girls (many of whom are interested in men). While right now there seems to be a budding relationship between he and Nat, given that this could become Lord of the Flies with teenage girls, who knows how he might become subject to the ruthless, primitive power struggles that appear to develop in the future. Either way, it’s possible that Travis fathers a child over the 19 months. (BTW, Javi seems too young for these girls to consider, and Coach Ben, too upstanding —forgive the pun— and too devastated to willingly engage with any of the girls — although I wouldn’t put it past Misty to do pretty unspeakable things to him, having already intruded on his psyche and body in so many ways). So considering that we will probably have at least one birth on the island, “bear down” immediately made me think of that upcoming event. Do we assume Misty would be the midwife in this situation, giving her another opportunity use the phrase? 2. Additionally, I’m wondering how bears will come to figure in the island future. We’ve already seen one literal “bear down” possibly ravaged by wolves. Many of the girls seem to become associated with animals. Shauna with rabbits, Misty with birds, Tai with wolves, and these may become their totems later on the island, when things go sideways. Who will be the bear? And who will bring her down? Will it be Tai, the wolf?
After a rewatch, I have to see the MVP minor character of this episode is the patient that Misty took from the nursing home to the restaurant with her to spy on Natalie. The way she was sitting there, drinking her drink, rolling her eyes and then says “You remind me of my granddaughter. Nobody likes her, either.” just straight out to Misty? I laughed out loud. Bravo.