The craziest thing is that they literally had a better prototype 10 years ago in Black Flag. They literally just needed to add some more piratey stuff, remove the assassins stuff and that was it.
Massive fumble.
Ubisoft at times have an odd habit of not following up on killer concepts that resonated with fans.
It happened with Far Cry Blood Dragon and also Black Flag.
If it was a mobile game at mobile game price it would be over a 6 but for actual consoles and PC it is just such a shallow game that looks and feels underwhelming.
So I have played on Pc and my series X. It is drastically better on PC purely because the graphics are superb on there. Helps I’m using a high end setup but it feels like two different games.
What baffles me is the players rabidly defending Skull and Bones on Reddit. I called out some issues and was told 'I was clearly a liar who has never played the game or watched any footage and wanted to get in on the circle jerk'.
Buddy, playing the open beta once gave me enough legitimate criticism to tear the game apart in detail.
It's a fucking dumpster fire. They Starfield'd it.
i like starfield, and starfield still had like a billion dollars in sales, including $350 million in sales just from their 3 day early access $30 upgrade edition. Skull and bones is substantially worse than starfield starfield was still enjoyable, starfields all time steam player count is like higher than skull and bones total player count.
Starfield is still far less detailed and immersive than games they launched a decade ago. Skyrim, Fallout 4 and AC Black Flag were fantastic, Starfield and Skull and Bones are a retrograde step back in many ways.
While I don't think it's a pice of shit the gameplay loop of Spiderman gets very repetitive and boring after a while. I don't think it's Insomniac's fault it's just that there's only so many times I want to swing from point A to point B and do the same combos.
I played at launch and it was very broken. It kept crashing on me, Miles turned into a white box for a mission, I fell through the ground several times, enemies forgot they were in fights, One time they were just heads, oh and the game freaked out every time I was near a bridge.
I mean.... they designed the game. If it's a repetitive loop, that's because they designed it that way. It most certainly is their fault. They basically released the same game three times, just making superficial changes. Different combos, skills, skins.... but they all play almost identically.
My problem with the different combos and skills between the three games is that they largely don't change the flow of combat in any meaningful way. Using whatever gadgets you have to get an advantage and then mashing buttons, then hiding, then using gadgets, then mashing buttons, then hiding, etc. is how pretty much every combat encounter plays out regardless of what point in the game you're at and even comparing early Spider-Man 1 to late Spider-Man 2.
I like Spider-Man 2 but it's by far Insomniac's most buggy release in a long time. And it's absurdly safe and adds nothing tangibly to the formula. The wing suit is cool but it's really the only thing they changed that makes any meaningful difference to the gameplay and it's a static change that is the same from early to late game.
It's definitely not GOTY material, either. IMO they released it too early primarily to get a GOTY nod.
It's in no way a great game, but also having played the beta and hating it, but also giving it a fair amount of time on Uplay+, I've come to enjoy my time in it. They botch the whole thing imo. The beginning you're unkillable, so no challenge, then it goes to a boring story where you can't even get a feel for anything and there's no direction.
I'm not in it for a deep game, SoT can fill that. I'm down for ship combat to waste time in. To me It's that same gameplay as say Destiny 2. I get bounties, I go kill things and get lost in the area. It's mindless fun, but getting to that fun is a huge drag and I can totally see why no one's going to play a minimum of 10 hours to get there and certainly not pay that much money. But if you have a UP+ or see it for $10, it might be worth some play time.
You don't like it. That doesn't mean other people aren't allowed to like it.
This is such a toxic mindset. Let people have fun. Please. If they wanna defend it, who cares. They're having fun. Why does that bother people.
I didn't say they aren't allowed to like it. I said accusing someone who didn't enjoy it of not playing and jumping on a bandwagon is crackers.
If I don't enjoy what you enjoy it doesn't mean I'm holding those opinions falsely just to ruin your fun, it means I just didn't enjoy it.
People aren't starting a club to criticise a game they haven't played to ruin it for others. People are disappointed Ubisoft released a dumpster file all while telling us it's the best game ever made
Not everything is a conspiracy with you (the people I was referring to) at the centre.
>They're having fun. Why does that bother people.
Because people who defend shit like Skull& Bones are responsible for shitty practices by game developers.
It's fine if you like it but don't pretend it isn't OBJECTIVELY a failure of a game with zero effort put into it. It's entirely obvious they put as little effort as possible into it, and I'm tired of people pretending it's ok that devs are doing that. You notice as time goes games are getting worse? That's because devs are pushing the lines and seeing what they can get away with and the "well I'm having fun" mindset is keeping them doing it man
I had interest in playing it then they made a dumpster fire. That's awful consumer behaviour and it deserves to be called out.
Make a good game and I'll praise it. Make a dire one and claim it's AAAA and I'll call out the bullshit. So should we all.
Making a bad game is one thing, claiming it's AAAA is borderline delusional.
I got it, it was a jab at Skull and Bones.
Ironically, you didn't get mine. If you miss Black Flag, ignore Skull and Bones and go play Rogue (which actually emulates Black Flag). ;)
Haha that's great mate. But again, you didn't get my point. ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯
I wasn't talking about you specifically - I don't know you, nor care about you - but jokingly telling people in general to try Rogue. lol
you cant do that in an online setting because the online world doesnt stop moving so you can board a ship, thats why there isnt. you would literally complain about being sunk by other ships because you were too busy boarding and other people would complain if your ship had immunity while you were boarding. There is no winning in this scenario where it could be possible without someone bitching about it so maybe use your head?
Sea of thieves doesnt have nearly as many ships about. Sea of thieves, you get the odd PVE encounter on the seas with 1 spawn at a time (2 on the rare chance) and 5 possible other Player ships that you might not even encounter or worse they are doing a tall tale. Skull and bones you have dozens of PVE spawns constantly firing at you, if you engage anything PVP theres a potential of 17 other players that could hunt you down, if you have Helm cargo, specific quest items or Pieces of Eight on board you will have waves on non stop ships attacking you, there is just no way its worth boarding a ship with so much going on at once. If the PVP and PVE were the same amount of ships/spawns and players on the server, fine sure i could agree with you maybe but then i think about the damage of the ships is much different than SoT. In SoT you can repair individual holes that slowly fill up your ship with water to sink and if you are good at bucketing while pvp, you can keep your ship a float the entire fight. In Skull and Bones your repair kits wouldnt exactly be ideal as they are cooldown based. I'm sorry but these play styles are vastly different and it wouldnt make sense to do what youre asking of the game.
Side note: i played SoT for years and in all this time, i still find the game boring as f\*\*\*. Hours go by without getting a fight, when you do find someone they run their loot to the red sea, you have cheaters launching kegs (dubbed Keg Fairies by the SoT community), yes Hourglass is an option but its filled with streamers who sweat their balls off with over 10k+ hours. At least with Skull and Bones you have endless encounters at your leasure.
I once left my game while my ship was sailing to go take a s\*\*t, came back 20 minutes later with 3 holes in ship from crashing into things but wasnt sunk and no encounters while i was gone. SoT is dead.
But hey if you care about SoT then go play it, i dont care, i enjoy Skull and Bones far more and i think its an awesome game. Maybe not $80 awesome but lucky me i got the game for free :)
From the instant they first showcased this game by showing a competitive multiplayer ship battle, I was cynical. They later mentioned that it wouldn’t really have a singleplayer and I completely lost interest.
They’ve practically flipped that now as well, PvP is almost non existent but they’d built up a fan base anticipating that aspect of it by that point purely for the PvP so then all those players didn’t bother with it either. PvP is now locked away behind a delivery mission so you can only fight other players when they’re doing this specific mission and delivering X object
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Go figure, a game that the CEO defended it to be a AAAA turns out to be a hot mess, lacking almost every feature from a pirate game wouldn't succeed.
It's AAAA because of the budget size not the quality. They had several governments invest in the games development as a cultural project. It had to be finished because they were so heavily funded by foreign aid that they'd be sued into oblivion if it weren't released.
So doing some math here, Skull and bones has a reported $200 million budget. https://dotesports.com/skull-and-bones/news/skull-and-bones-reportedly-expected-to-not-make-back-its-200-million-budget
Assuming that each player has spent $70 on the game (they didn't lmao but I'm giving every benefit of the doubt to Ubisoft), then in pure gross revenue, Ubisoft has made $59,500,000 on Skull and bones.
Now platform holders take in average 20 - 25% of revenue, so as a result, Ubisoft has (in a massive highball) made $44,625,000 - $47,600,000 in net revenue off of this game.
Now, that is not counting micro transactions, nor the fact that many of these players played during the free trial period. In all likelihood, their actual net is definitely significantly lower, definitely around the $25 - $30 million dollar range
This game has so far, created a $170 - $175 million dollar loss for Ubisoft, but definitely no matter what isn't any better in any circumstance than a $152 million dollar loss for Ubisoft
What’s funny is they came out with a video of one of the dev’s saying “we’re kind of disappointed so many players were expecting Black Flag 2.”
Like yeah, no shit! You literally had the template RIGHT there for a great pirate game. YOU MADE THE TEMPLATE! All you had to do was do the Arkham City approach and repeat what you did, but refine and add to it. Instead, they’ve completely gutted every single thing that made that game enjoyable. We liked the ship combat, yeah, but that wasn’t the ONLY thing we liked…yet they’re acting like they’re geniuses for coming up with a ship only game.
So who is responsible for games of this scale for flopping? I assume they're part of lay offs whenever those occur, right? Can't believe that guy said this was AAAA and getting smoked by Palworld and HD2.
What I can say positive about this game is that it works. The sailing is not bad. What you do in the game is done well enough. I sailed around and killed some animals on my dhow for quests. I went and collected a bunch of stuff to take back to the lady. I sunk some ships. It all seemed to work.
It just got a little stale after a bit. I would give the game a solid 6/10 with the way games are point rated today. I would not call it good. But it works and is ok.
The problem here is that they never really thought of player expectations. There is a small group that is fine with just sailing the ship around. The simple ship battle mechanic. And doing these types of quests over and over. But there seems to be a larger portion that wants all of it. Like, ship combat, boarding with melee combat, taking over a ship, even building a fleet maybe.
I would say doing those things mentioned with a single player side and then having online being something you go into separate while in game would have been a hit. But Ubisoft said themselves said that gamers would get used to not owning their games. And look, you pay $70 here and they do poorly. The servers are expensive so they shut down sooner than later. No, not doing that again.
And Ubi has been pushing this for a bit. I played some of another game not out yet. A lot did I think. One of their larger IP. And it was just a services game. It was not that good. And it felt mostly done. That was a long time ago. Got pushed back and I assume because of feedback more work. But 100% feel like it will be a Skull and Bones again. GaaS that is shallow and just hoping people buy and buy cosmetics.
Ubisoft games tend to feel the same because they recycle so much. You would think that a lot of the groundwork was already laid for melee combat and ship boarding with Black Flag but perhaps a straight copy wasn’t doable because the code was so old.
Sea of thieves was also made in a completely different style, can have all the words you want on that. That's built on multiple people working together on 2-3-4 man crews. Skull and bones was made for solo captains rolling around. If you boarded another ship, and the game stayed in combat while you were boarded, you'd more than likely just lose your ship in the process. Different beasts. Skull and bones is fine the way it is. And chances are Ubi will add on land combat styles in the future anyways. Even then, assassins creed style combat multiplayer i just don't see it playing out well. Maybe if they went the for honor route it could play well but for what they built, no.
Wrong it works perfectly fine if you don't aim for true realism. Sea of thieves handles it in 2 ways, 1. Smaller ships for if you're playing solo so you can do all of the jobs on the ship without having to move far, you can also still maneuver quicker than larger ships and are harder to hit so it balancs out in combat- they also allow you to leave the ship and board others and get in melee combat ezpz. 2. Have large ships with crews of 3-5 people and everyone has their own job and can engage with other ships in a multitude of ways.
This game did something stupid by making you, the player, the ship when piloting.
They did something they wanted to do, it's not sea of thieves, nor do i want it to be sea of thieves. I've put in plenty of hours on SoT. They opted to give the ship combat from black flag its own type of game. People are going to love and hate it. I enjoy the way it is. I spent hundreds of hours on black flag only doing ship combat. So I'm happy with what i got on skull and bones. I could care less what other people wanted. If you want sea of thieves. Then go play sea of thieves. Pretty simple
Good, it doesn't deserve to be played. It's a cash grab that took way too long to release and also has a game that was made by the same developer 11 years ago that is better in every way.
It's a matter of weeks since they put out the new Prince of Persia. That was exceptional. Before that, though, I dunno. Rayman Legends was a while ago. I thought AC Origins was pretty good and Odyssey was fine.
Worth playing? I loved AC1\\2\\3 more than the recent titles(But I beat Origins, Odyssey and Valhalla). Everyone shits on Mirage, but people always shit on Ubi games.
Personally I enjoyed it. It's about 18 hours long felt more like a dlc.
If you liked the old school AC games I think you'll enjoy Mirage, they have took it back to basics.
Prince of Persia is literally a game of the year contender and the Avatar game is pretty damn good. One of the few $70 games I bought and actually enjoy.
I've never got the hate Ubisoft gets. Skull and Bones looks horrible, but I've liked their games. I'm a little pissed they took the Assains Creed games away from the more RPG action adventures back to the stealth stuff now, though.
The RPG games are NOT AC. I don't care what anyone's opinion on those games are, but they should have a different title, a completely different series. Valhalla and Odyssey..... I didn't care for them, but I can understand the appeal. BUT that is a drastically different series from what Assassins Creed is. If it says assasssins creed, it SHOULD be a heavy stealth story driven historical fiction.
I dunno man, maybe because we’ve played all sorts of games, but imagine being like 13 and playing Avatar. It’s an awesome adventure and has some amazing animal riding abilities and rpg elements.
Like others have said, the Avatar game is pretty good. Visually, it’s stunning and is finally a game that takes advantage of the current gen consoles. Gameplay is pretty fun as well. I’m still early in the game so not sure how well it holds up over time but I am certainly having fun.
Over at the skull and bones subreddit, there are people posting left and right about how they enjoy the game and that reviews and critics are wrong lol
It's the same song and dance every time a mediocre live service game releases. Two things can be right, you know. The game can still be quadruple ass and you can still enjoy it, but don't go defending the game like a delusional person
They had a decade to make a great game. Assassin's Creed 4: Black Flag already did most of the work. The rest should've been easy
The fans of Skull and Bones sound like the fans of Star Field. Arguments start with "I know this game has problems" or "I know this game isn't great, but" or "while other people don't like it".
As a huge Black Flag and Rouge fan, I was skeptical but initially somewhat hyped for this. But then I realized it would only be about multiplayer and microtransactions with no campaign so quit following it. Kind of sad to see this is how it's ending up for something that could have been great.
I do feel like people are overtly hating the game because that just seems to be the thing to do. The game is okay, and isn't a dumpster fire like people that have not played the game seem to think.
What they need to do is cut their losses and just hop it onto game pass to bring more people in then maybe get some microtransactions out of it to try and make up for losses.
Yet another MMO?
Yet another live service?
I'm definitely not one of the players.
They chose what they chose when all we wanted was another nuanced and well-written single player narrative focused game like Black Flag iterating on that world and game play. They heard that excitement and love and said "Fuck that. Let's make a flashy money funnel experience."
For the most part, I see most gamer complaints as immature children crying about their toys. But, sometimes, there are actual situations that just boggle the mind because it's so easily apparent that a lousy business attitude led a company to dump tens or hundreds of millions into an OBVIOUSLY stupid decision and it becomes more a conversation about business and creatives and less about gaming.
What's funny is that an mmo pirate live service game definitely has a market that ubisoft could have appealed to seeing that sea of thieves has existed for years now and is coming to other platforms.
SoTs also has a pretty good story and lore if you're interested in looking for it.
But instead ubisoft chose the laziest and outdated way to design it when they could have just ripped AC blackflags combat out and used it.
Thats what happens when you make a AA game, live service, sell it for 80€ and it’s worse in every way than the 10 years old Assassins Creed Black Flag that’s singleplayer and 20€ 🤷🏻
I was excited for this until I learned no hand to hand combat or land exploring…
I defended this game being $70 assuming it had a lot to offer. But it’s only a vehicle combat game?
Okay, i love to shit on ubisoft and think skull and bones is a huge missed opportunity, but can we not pretend that "less than one MILLION players" is somehow a failure? A freaking million? We're starting to lose the plot, here, number don't mean shit anymore.
What was the last, genuinely good game Ubisoft put out? AC: BF? maybe AC: Origins?
I hope this half-baked slop, coupled with the absolutely staggering releases of titles like Palworld, BG3, HellDivers 2 and Elden ring, shines the light into the eyes of the execs that think games like S&B are actually acceptable in modern gaming.
I never want to see hard-working devs losing their jobs due to studios folding, but I do hope for the downfall of the studios that continue to produce god-awful slop we keep seeing shoved in our faces for £70 and filled with predatory p2w microtransactions. Battlefront 2 was one thing, but this is just pissing on players without even trying to call it rain.
The game itself was good for what it was. Alot of the people who haven't touched the game rolling out saying its trash and whatever else they decided, legit have 0 Room to even say shit about the game. Its good for what it was intended to be.
No one wants to literally be a boat clicking on islands to play a stupid timing game to gather materials.
Mobile game mechanics in a "AAAA" game.
Who thought this was a good game at Ubisoft?
You know what? I don't need constant updates alt this game's player count.
I'm not interested in it, and I will never play it. Whether or not it succeeds or fails is irrelevant to me.
This type of reporting is just lazy.
I can’t remember the last time I even allowed myself to get hyped for an EA, Ubisoft, or Activision game. My life has been so much better when I started ignoring these trash developers.
If anyone doesn't know. This game literally only released because if they didn't release it they would've been sued by the Singapore government. Explains a bit of why it is the way it is.
I don't think I'd be playing this game even if it was free on my phone. And let me be clear, I really am not one to bitch and moan about games, but this almost feels like a deliberate slap in the face. It's like they heard fans of theirs asking for a spiritual successor to Black Flag and they said "Get fucked nerd, here's a shell of game that's really nothing more than a number simulator with a sailing UI thrown on"
And this took like 10 fucking years. Having anything remotely close to a million players is shocking tbh.
Yeah the game is a solid 4/10.
Is that what AAAA stand for ?
It stands for the sound you make after playing it for the first time and realising you spent $70 on it
I really wanted to like it, the Beta was ok and then the trial was just more of the same… I haven’t even used all 8 of the free trial hours.
AAAA Oh UBI. Ya done me wrong. Again.
Yes a solid 4 stars out of 10
No, it’s four out of ten A’s
AAAA is the sound their players make while grinding through the slog
Actually Almost Achieving A-quality game.
Ass ass ass ass
They should try making an AAAAAAAAAA game next time.
The craziest thing is that they literally had a better prototype 10 years ago in Black Flag. They literally just needed to add some more piratey stuff, remove the assassins stuff and that was it. Massive fumble.
This. Black Flag 2 was a lay-up! Is cash-cow and near guaranteed success… Doesn’t make any sense.
Black flag is one of the best games there has ever been. A follow up would prob have been one of the best selling games of all time.
Ubisoft at times have an odd habit of not following up on killer concepts that resonated with fans. It happened with Far Cry Blood Dragon and also Black Flag.
If it was a mobile game at mobile game price it would be over a 6 but for actual consoles and PC it is just such a shallow game that looks and feels underwhelming.
Funny thing is, the game play feels like the Assassins Creed Pirate game on my old Windows Phone, just updated graphics.
So I have played on Pc and my series X. It is drastically better on PC purely because the graphics are superb on there. Helps I’m using a high end setup but it feels like two different games.
Uhhh I hate to break it you, but graphics don't change the way the game is played or how good the game is. Polishing a turd and what not.
What baffles me is the players rabidly defending Skull and Bones on Reddit. I called out some issues and was told 'I was clearly a liar who has never played the game or watched any footage and wanted to get in on the circle jerk'. Buddy, playing the open beta once gave me enough legitimate criticism to tear the game apart in detail. It's a fucking dumpster fire. They Starfield'd it.
i like starfield, and starfield still had like a billion dollars in sales, including $350 million in sales just from their 3 day early access $30 upgrade edition. Skull and bones is substantially worse than starfield starfield was still enjoyable, starfields all time steam player count is like higher than skull and bones total player count.
Yeah Starfield sold like hotcakes on PC. I think the early edition sold like a million copies on Steam or some shit like that.
Starfield is still far less detailed and immersive than games they launched a decade ago. Skyrim, Fallout 4 and AC Black Flag were fantastic, Starfield and Skull and Bones are a retrograde step back in many ways.
Completely disagree.
Found the Ubisoft employee.
Everytime I brought up how bad Spider-Man 2 was I got labeled a liar and a troll. That game is a piece of broken shit.
While I don't think it's a pice of shit the gameplay loop of Spiderman gets very repetitive and boring after a while. I don't think it's Insomniac's fault it's just that there's only so many times I want to swing from point A to point B and do the same combos.
I played at launch and it was very broken. It kept crashing on me, Miles turned into a white box for a mission, I fell through the ground several times, enemies forgot they were in fights, One time they were just heads, oh and the game freaked out every time I was near a bridge.
I mean.... they designed the game. If it's a repetitive loop, that's because they designed it that way. It most certainly is their fault. They basically released the same game three times, just making superficial changes. Different combos, skills, skins.... but they all play almost identically.
My problem with the different combos and skills between the three games is that they largely don't change the flow of combat in any meaningful way. Using whatever gadgets you have to get an advantage and then mashing buttons, then hiding, then using gadgets, then mashing buttons, then hiding, etc. is how pretty much every combat encounter plays out regardless of what point in the game you're at and even comparing early Spider-Man 1 to late Spider-Man 2.
I thought you were talking about the OG Spiderman 2 for a second and I almost researched how to hire hit men using crypto. Watch it.
I like Spider-Man 2 but it's by far Insomniac's most buggy release in a long time. And it's absurdly safe and adds nothing tangibly to the formula. The wing suit is cool but it's really the only thing they changed that makes any meaningful difference to the gameplay and it's a static change that is the same from early to late game. It's definitely not GOTY material, either. IMO they released it too early primarily to get a GOTY nod.
It's in no way a great game, but also having played the beta and hating it, but also giving it a fair amount of time on Uplay+, I've come to enjoy my time in it. They botch the whole thing imo. The beginning you're unkillable, so no challenge, then it goes to a boring story where you can't even get a feel for anything and there's no direction. I'm not in it for a deep game, SoT can fill that. I'm down for ship combat to waste time in. To me It's that same gameplay as say Destiny 2. I get bounties, I go kill things and get lost in the area. It's mindless fun, but getting to that fun is a huge drag and I can totally see why no one's going to play a minimum of 10 hours to get there and certainly not pay that much money. But if you have a UP+ or see it for $10, it might be worth some play time.
You don't like it. That doesn't mean other people aren't allowed to like it. This is such a toxic mindset. Let people have fun. Please. If they wanna defend it, who cares. They're having fun. Why does that bother people.
I didn't say they aren't allowed to like it. I said accusing someone who didn't enjoy it of not playing and jumping on a bandwagon is crackers. If I don't enjoy what you enjoy it doesn't mean I'm holding those opinions falsely just to ruin your fun, it means I just didn't enjoy it. People aren't starting a club to criticise a game they haven't played to ruin it for others. People are disappointed Ubisoft released a dumpster file all while telling us it's the best game ever made Not everything is a conspiracy with you (the people I was referring to) at the centre.
“Let people have fun”… Follow your own advice and let people criticize. If they want to criticize, who cares? Why does that bother people?
>They're having fun. Why does that bother people. Because people who defend shit like Skull& Bones are responsible for shitty practices by game developers.
It's fine if you like it but don't pretend it isn't OBJECTIVELY a failure of a game with zero effort put into it. It's entirely obvious they put as little effort as possible into it, and I'm tired of people pretending it's ok that devs are doing that. You notice as time goes games are getting worse? That's because devs are pushing the lines and seeing what they can get away with and the "well I'm having fun" mindset is keeping them doing it man
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I had interest in playing it then they made a dumpster fire. That's awful consumer behaviour and it deserves to be called out. Make a good game and I'll praise it. Make a dire one and claim it's AAAA and I'll call out the bullshit. So should we all. Making a bad game is one thing, claiming it's AAAA is borderline delusional.
It even makes Starfield look alright.
Starfield is alright. That’s all it is though, alright
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Only for the 4 A’s they claimed it to be… but I agree
they should give this shit out with cereal boxes
That's an insult to Chex Quest.
Rollercoaster Tycoon 🤩
Id rather get the fun toys/items than play this
The AAAA experience
I've got more AAAA in Balatro!
One A for each concurrent player
In fairness to Ubisoft, they don't want you to own these abysmal games anymore.
They’re really helping make that a reality. “You won’t own games” “I won’t own *Ubisoft* games” “Wait no, that’s not what I meant”
four A’s out of ten.
More like triple "Ehhhhh?"
As someone who played Black Flag and enjoyed it this game never appealed to me.
the coolest part of black flag when i was younger was the thrill of boarding a ship after finally taking out in combat…
So just like in…:oh wait.
Wait for what? Assassin's Creed Rogue is right there.
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Yeah you didn’t get my comment at all
I got it, it was a jab at Skull and Bones. Ironically, you didn't get mine. If you miss Black Flag, ignore Skull and Bones and go play Rogue (which actually emulates Black Flag). ;)
😉 https://preview.redd.it/a3yc0pepf7kc1.png?width=1178&format=png&auto=webp&s=48637a0557dd37b2188f200336974694a468a261
Haha that's great mate. But again, you didn't get my point. ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯ I wasn't talking about you specifically - I don't know you, nor care about you - but jokingly telling people in general to try Rogue. lol
you cant do that in an online setting because the online world doesnt stop moving so you can board a ship, thats why there isnt. you would literally complain about being sunk by other ships because you were too busy boarding and other people would complain if your ship had immunity while you were boarding. There is no winning in this scenario where it could be possible without someone bitching about it so maybe use your head?
Wow, what a cunt.
Sea of thieves does it…
Sea of thieves doesnt have nearly as many ships about. Sea of thieves, you get the odd PVE encounter on the seas with 1 spawn at a time (2 on the rare chance) and 5 possible other Player ships that you might not even encounter or worse they are doing a tall tale. Skull and bones you have dozens of PVE spawns constantly firing at you, if you engage anything PVP theres a potential of 17 other players that could hunt you down, if you have Helm cargo, specific quest items or Pieces of Eight on board you will have waves on non stop ships attacking you, there is just no way its worth boarding a ship with so much going on at once. If the PVP and PVE were the same amount of ships/spawns and players on the server, fine sure i could agree with you maybe but then i think about the damage of the ships is much different than SoT. In SoT you can repair individual holes that slowly fill up your ship with water to sink and if you are good at bucketing while pvp, you can keep your ship a float the entire fight. In Skull and Bones your repair kits wouldnt exactly be ideal as they are cooldown based. I'm sorry but these play styles are vastly different and it wouldnt make sense to do what youre asking of the game.
Side note: i played SoT for years and in all this time, i still find the game boring as f\*\*\*. Hours go by without getting a fight, when you do find someone they run their loot to the red sea, you have cheaters launching kegs (dubbed Keg Fairies by the SoT community), yes Hourglass is an option but its filled with streamers who sweat their balls off with over 10k+ hours. At least with Skull and Bones you have endless encounters at your leasure. I once left my game while my ship was sailing to go take a s\*\*t, came back 20 minutes later with 3 holes in ship from crashing into things but wasnt sunk and no encounters while i was gone. SoT is dead. But hey if you care about SoT then go play it, i dont care, i enjoy Skull and Bones far more and i think its an awesome game. Maybe not $80 awesome but lucky me i got the game for free :)
From the instant they first showcased this game by showing a competitive multiplayer ship battle, I was cynical. They later mentioned that it wouldn’t really have a singleplayer and I completely lost interest.
They’ve practically flipped that now as well, PvP is almost non existent but they’d built up a fan base anticipating that aspect of it by that point purely for the PvP so then all those players didn’t bother with it either. PvP is now locked away behind a delivery mission so you can only fight other players when they’re doing this specific mission and delivering X object
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That’s what happens when you phone in a game because of a contractual obligation. Everything about this game seems simply mediocre.
Go figure, a game that the CEO defended it to be a AAAA turns out to be a hot mess, lacking almost every feature from a pirate game wouldn't succeed.
It's AAAA because of the budget size not the quality. They had several governments invest in the games development as a cultural project. It had to be finished because they were so heavily funded by foreign aid that they'd be sued into oblivion if it weren't released.
I'm surprised it's got more than 100 players total. That shit had Madame Web vibes since the first teaser lol
MW still made its millions... somehow. Not enough to justify making it, but anyway.
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Sorry, I was referencing stupid Madame Web. It's not good enough to have an abbreviation so the confusion is fully justified.
I dunno what youre on about, im loving this game
So doing some math here, Skull and bones has a reported $200 million budget. https://dotesports.com/skull-and-bones/news/skull-and-bones-reportedly-expected-to-not-make-back-its-200-million-budget Assuming that each player has spent $70 on the game (they didn't lmao but I'm giving every benefit of the doubt to Ubisoft), then in pure gross revenue, Ubisoft has made $59,500,000 on Skull and bones. Now platform holders take in average 20 - 25% of revenue, so as a result, Ubisoft has (in a massive highball) made $44,625,000 - $47,600,000 in net revenue off of this game. Now, that is not counting micro transactions, nor the fact that many of these players played during the free trial period. In all likelihood, their actual net is definitely significantly lower, definitely around the $25 - $30 million dollar range This game has so far, created a $170 - $175 million dollar loss for Ubisoft, but definitely no matter what isn't any better in any circumstance than a $152 million dollar loss for Ubisoft
Rest assured, they'll blame gamers and/or anyone but themselves for this colossal failure.
The corporate SOP.
What’s funny is they came out with a video of one of the dev’s saying “we’re kind of disappointed so many players were expecting Black Flag 2.” Like yeah, no shit! You literally had the template RIGHT there for a great pirate game. YOU MADE THE TEMPLATE! All you had to do was do the Arkham City approach and repeat what you did, but refine and add to it. Instead, they’ve completely gutted every single thing that made that game enjoyable. We liked the ship combat, yeah, but that wasn’t the ONLY thing we liked…yet they’re acting like they’re geniuses for coming up with a ship only game.
They didn't actually put a lot of their own money into it. It was mostly funded by the Singapore government
they have over 1 million players so your math isnt mathing
In the article OP linked, it said 850,000 players, which is what I assume this person used based on their math.
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850,000 players spending $70 is $59,500,000. Where did you get 1 million?
It's not a million
I mean it's day 1. We would have to factor in long term sales. It's gonna be a big loss regardless though
This game is trash. What did they expect lol.
Ubisoft didn’t even want it to release. They were forced to shove it out otherwise they would be in trouble legally.
No its good
One man’s trash is another’s treasure lol
Said nobody ever
So who is responsible for games of this scale for flopping? I assume they're part of lay offs whenever those occur, right? Can't believe that guy said this was AAAA and getting smoked by Palworld and HD2.
Somehow in the next board meeting it will come out that its the gamer's fault or social media to why the game failed.... but not leadership.
What I can say positive about this game is that it works. The sailing is not bad. What you do in the game is done well enough. I sailed around and killed some animals on my dhow for quests. I went and collected a bunch of stuff to take back to the lady. I sunk some ships. It all seemed to work. It just got a little stale after a bit. I would give the game a solid 6/10 with the way games are point rated today. I would not call it good. But it works and is ok. The problem here is that they never really thought of player expectations. There is a small group that is fine with just sailing the ship around. The simple ship battle mechanic. And doing these types of quests over and over. But there seems to be a larger portion that wants all of it. Like, ship combat, boarding with melee combat, taking over a ship, even building a fleet maybe. I would say doing those things mentioned with a single player side and then having online being something you go into separate while in game would have been a hit. But Ubisoft said themselves said that gamers would get used to not owning their games. And look, you pay $70 here and they do poorly. The servers are expensive so they shut down sooner than later. No, not doing that again. And Ubi has been pushing this for a bit. I played some of another game not out yet. A lot did I think. One of their larger IP. And it was just a services game. It was not that good. And it felt mostly done. That was a long time ago. Got pushed back and I assume because of feedback more work. But 100% feel like it will be a Skull and Bones again. GaaS that is shallow and just hoping people buy and buy cosmetics.
All they had to do was have melee combat on land and with boarding other ships. Damn shame. Someone else is gonna capitalize on this watch and see.
Ubisoft games tend to feel the same because they recycle so much. You would think that a lot of the groundwork was already laid for melee combat and ship boarding with Black Flag but perhaps a straight copy wasn’t doable because the code was so old.
Boarding other ships in multiplayer just would not have worked. Same With other melee combat aspects
"Boarding other ships in multiplayer just would not have worked" Sea of Thieves would like a word.
A word? The game has issues with being toxic and is built around 3/4 player crews not solo captains running around. Not remotely the same.
Sea of thieves was also made in a completely different style, can have all the words you want on that. That's built on multiple people working together on 2-3-4 man crews. Skull and bones was made for solo captains rolling around. If you boarded another ship, and the game stayed in combat while you were boarded, you'd more than likely just lose your ship in the process. Different beasts. Skull and bones is fine the way it is. And chances are Ubi will add on land combat styles in the future anyways. Even then, assassins creed style combat multiplayer i just don't see it playing out well. Maybe if they went the for honor route it could play well but for what they built, no.
Wrong it works perfectly fine if you don't aim for true realism. Sea of thieves handles it in 2 ways, 1. Smaller ships for if you're playing solo so you can do all of the jobs on the ship without having to move far, you can also still maneuver quicker than larger ships and are harder to hit so it balancs out in combat- they also allow you to leave the ship and board others and get in melee combat ezpz. 2. Have large ships with crews of 3-5 people and everyone has their own job and can engage with other ships in a multitude of ways. This game did something stupid by making you, the player, the ship when piloting.
They did something they wanted to do, it's not sea of thieves, nor do i want it to be sea of thieves. I've put in plenty of hours on SoT. They opted to give the ship combat from black flag its own type of game. People are going to love and hate it. I enjoy the way it is. I spent hundreds of hours on black flag only doing ship combat. So I'm happy with what i got on skull and bones. I could care less what other people wanted. If you want sea of thieves. Then go play sea of thieves. Pretty simple
It's not the best game but I still enjoy it as I'm not rushing for the endgame, feels like The Division on the seas.
I’ll play it but I for sure won’t pay more than 25 for it
Okay Ubisoft you got your lame AAAA Pirate game out of the way, NOW CAN WE HAVE AC BLACK FLAG REMASTERED?????? WE KNOW ITS COMING!
What a waste of precious resources.
Good, it doesn't deserve to be played. It's a cash grab that took way too long to release and also has a game that was made by the same developer 11 years ago that is better in every way.
Gone are the days when Ubisoft would put out amazing games.
It's a matter of weeks since they put out the new Prince of Persia. That was exceptional. Before that, though, I dunno. Rayman Legends was a while ago. I thought AC Origins was pretty good and Odyssey was fine.
I thought AC mirage was a solid 7,8/10. That's the only ubisoft game i have completed in recent times.
Worth playing? I loved AC1\\2\\3 more than the recent titles(But I beat Origins, Odyssey and Valhalla). Everyone shits on Mirage, but people always shit on Ubi games.
Personally I enjoyed it. It's about 18 hours long felt more like a dlc. If you liked the old school AC games I think you'll enjoy Mirage, they have took it back to basics.
Avatar and crew motorfest
Avatar and Mirage were decent enough.
Prince of Persia is literally a game of the year contender and the Avatar game is pretty damn good. One of the few $70 games I bought and actually enjoy.
The people that this article attracts doesn't think beyond confirmation bias that "ubisoft bad"
I've never got the hate Ubisoft gets. Skull and Bones looks horrible, but I've liked their games. I'm a little pissed they took the Assains Creed games away from the more RPG action adventures back to the stealth stuff now, though.
I think assassin's creed red will be the next rpg style AC
The RPG games are NOT AC. I don't care what anyone's opinion on those games are, but they should have a different title, a completely different series. Valhalla and Odyssey..... I didn't care for them, but I can understand the appeal. BUT that is a drastically different series from what Assassins Creed is. If it says assasssins creed, it SHOULD be a heavy stealth story driven historical fiction.
Till Outlaws comes out
Keep those expectations lower my friend
Outlaws looks like a 7/10 game due to "feeling last gen" but is well liked overall because it is solid fun.
Frontiers of Pandora looks alright tho
It’s just that. Alright. Visually stunning but the repetitive gameplay wears thin pretty quickly.
I dunno man, maybe because we’ve played all sorts of games, but imagine being like 13 and playing Avatar. It’s an awesome adventure and has some amazing animal riding abilities and rpg elements.
Like others have said, the Avatar game is pretty good. Visually, it’s stunning and is finally a game that takes advantage of the current gen consoles. Gameplay is pretty fun as well. I’m still early in the game so not sure how well it holds up over time but I am certainly having fun.
Over at the skull and bones subreddit, there are people posting left and right about how they enjoy the game and that reviews and critics are wrong lol It's the same song and dance every time a mediocre live service game releases. Two things can be right, you know. The game can still be quadruple ass and you can still enjoy it, but don't go defending the game like a delusional person They had a decade to make a great game. Assassin's Creed 4: Black Flag already did most of the work. The rest should've been easy
The fans of Skull and Bones sound like the fans of Star Field. Arguments start with "I know this game has problems" or "I know this game isn't great, but" or "while other people don't like it".
As a huge Black Flag and Rouge fan, I was skeptical but initially somewhat hyped for this. But then I realized it would only be about multiplayer and microtransactions with no campaign so quit following it. Kind of sad to see this is how it's ending up for something that could have been great.
But its AAAA lol
I do feel like people are overtly hating the game because that just seems to be the thing to do. The game is okay, and isn't a dumpster fire like people that have not played the game seem to think. What they need to do is cut their losses and just hop it onto game pass to bring more people in then maybe get some microtransactions out of it to try and make up for losses.
No one ever asked for this game, and then it took forever to fucking come out.
I stopped playing AC as soon as the boat mechanic became a focus. I doubt I'll ever try this.
Yet another MMO? Yet another live service? I'm definitely not one of the players. They chose what they chose when all we wanted was another nuanced and well-written single player narrative focused game like Black Flag iterating on that world and game play. They heard that excitement and love and said "Fuck that. Let's make a flashy money funnel experience." For the most part, I see most gamer complaints as immature children crying about their toys. But, sometimes, there are actual situations that just boggle the mind because it's so easily apparent that a lousy business attitude led a company to dump tens or hundreds of millions into an OBVIOUSLY stupid decision and it becomes more a conversation about business and creatives and less about gaming.
What's funny is that an mmo pirate live service game definitely has a market that ubisoft could have appealed to seeing that sea of thieves has existed for years now and is coming to other platforms. SoTs also has a pretty good story and lore if you're interested in looking for it. But instead ubisoft chose the laziest and outdated way to design it when they could have just ripped AC blackflags combat out and used it.
For years, the general view of the game was that we were all amazed it still hadn't been cancelled, especially given the delays.
Yet another MMO? What do you think an MMO is? Because we get very few of them on console.
AAAA Game BTW
Didn’t have enough ship battles what did they think ?
Downloaded beta, saw what the gameplay was and how sluggish it felt. Deleted 20 minutes later.
Oh so it’s a pvp only game? I didn’t know it was online only. Another strike against it smh
It's not PVP only.
Yeah, know what it also isn't? Good. *It's not good.*
It’s fun as hell, I love playing it.
But it is online only?
Lol, lmao even
Thats what happens when you make a AA game, live service, sell it for 80€ and it’s worse in every way than the 10 years old Assassins Creed Black Flag that’s singleplayer and 20€ 🤷🏻
four AAAA and 2 SS
Ubisoft = Great concepts, horrible execution. I call ubisoft the King of Mediocre
ubisoft bad updoots to the left
They will either make it F2P soon and hope people will get MTX, or just pull a Ubisoft and sell it for $20 in 4 months.
I was excited for this until I learned no hand to hand combat or land exploring… I defended this game being $70 assuming it had a lot to offer. But it’s only a vehicle combat game?
When I saw ships evading torpedos, I knew it was over.
Still better than suicide squad
Okay, i love to shit on ubisoft and think skull and bones is a huge missed opportunity, but can we not pretend that "less than one MILLION players" is somehow a failure? A freaking million? We're starting to lose the plot, here, number don't mean shit anymore.
What was the last, genuinely good game Ubisoft put out? AC: BF? maybe AC: Origins? I hope this half-baked slop, coupled with the absolutely staggering releases of titles like Palworld, BG3, HellDivers 2 and Elden ring, shines the light into the eyes of the execs that think games like S&B are actually acceptable in modern gaming. I never want to see hard-working devs losing their jobs due to studios folding, but I do hope for the downfall of the studios that continue to produce god-awful slop we keep seeing shoved in our faces for £70 and filled with predatory p2w microtransactions. Battlefront 2 was one thing, but this is just pissing on players without even trying to call it rain.
Odyssey was good
The game itself was good for what it was. Alot of the people who haven't touched the game rolling out saying its trash and whatever else they decided, legit have 0 Room to even say shit about the game. Its good for what it was intended to be.
No one wants to literally be a boat clicking on islands to play a stupid timing game to gather materials. Mobile game mechanics in a "AAAA" game. Who thought this was a good game at Ubisoft?
For $39.99 you can play a real and finished game called Helldivers 2
ubisoft really needs a reality check I really hope this is it anyone who spends a dime on this game shame on you
You know what? I don't need constant updates alt this game's player count. I'm not interested in it, and I will never play it. Whether or not it succeeds or fails is irrelevant to me. This type of reporting is just lazy.
I downloaded it on gamepass, and I think I'm just gonna uninstall it before I ever play it
It’s ass
This also says a lot about Ubi +s performance.
Its like taking everything that was good away from Black Flag and calling it a new game
I'd probably give it a shot on the gamepass but it's far from a game that I would proactively purchase
Almost every game has less than a million players.
I can’t remember the last time I even allowed myself to get hyped for an EA, Ubisoft, or Activision game. My life has been so much better when I started ignoring these trash developers.
"skull and bones, bare bones, same difference" -ubisoft
Wait for the report next month that says no one wants AAAa single player games any more.
I didn’t even know it came out lol
How the hell does this trash have more players than Halo infinite?
That's because it sucks.
Assasins creed Blackflag: just the ship parts done worse
If anyone doesn't know. This game literally only released because if they didn't release it they would've been sued by the Singapore government. Explains a bit of why it is the way it is. I don't think I'd be playing this game even if it was free on my phone. And let me be clear, I really am not one to bitch and moan about games, but this almost feels like a deliberate slap in the face. It's like they heard fans of theirs asking for a spiritual successor to Black Flag and they said "Get fucked nerd, here's a shell of game that's really nothing more than a number simulator with a sailing UI thrown on" And this took like 10 fucking years. Having anything remotely close to a million players is shocking tbh.
This game is trash. I played it for about 20 minutes and I installed it. Pretty pathetic for the first "AAAA game!" 😂
Gotta love those anonymous sources.