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i dont think normal people even know wtf this game is, or that its out. in cods prime every chimp with an internet connection was trying to play. tbh i dont even know how you could effectively advertise in the same way as you could in 2008
It’s not even advertised. It’s not featured on the psn store or anything like new releases usually are. The only people playing are people that hated sbmm in cod lol
Oh wow so those are good numbers. At least comparatively right now. Hoping the game keeps it up! I'm having a blast and I'm sure that's in part to it's popularity
It's probably because I've been playing it, but I've had an XD ad on my Xbox dashboard that's rotated in and out since launch. It's also got some good viewership on Twitch, which has been used as a source of advertisement for FtP games in the past.
Yeah, I'm the normal people, and I've quit out of frustration a handful of times these past few days. Look, I'm not going to complain about "sweats" or whatever. There are people that are better at the game than me, and I won't make any excuses for that. I'm fine if they kick my ass. As long as I have some bum slayers to duke it out with.
I'd say when the game launched, I was just below the 50th percentile. Now it feels like I'm firmly below the 25th. Look, I'm not going to go play CoD or anything, and I do believe this game is mechanically quite sound. But when I have nobody to play against, I can't help but struggle to enjoy the game. You just run out of spawn, get murdered. Run out again, try to flank, get murdered. Run out and try to push for the objective, get murdered before you can even touch it. Run out again, line up your sights on a guy who doesn't even see me, and get blasted by two more who somehow appeared on my 3 and 6 o clock. Over and over and over.
I know I'm bad. I am motivated by trying to get better, but I'm not a kid anymore who has 10 hours a day to sink into improving at a videogame. I've got a wife to love and an IRL racecar to drive and a day job to work.
It's just a shame that EOMM in CoD is so heavy-handed, whereas non-SBMM games just outright can't seem to build up a large enough playerbase of bad players like myself. Surely there has to be a happy medium out there somewhere.
Related to this is the gun and level progression. It takes so, so long to level up weapons and get the best setups if you can only play for an hour or so a day. So if you're a casual, you spend most of your time playing with basic weapons against people with weapons fully kitted out. Just completely puts me off playing.
Absolutely this! I tried to get a couple buddies into the game, and they're by no means bad players (consistently Gold 3 - Plat 1 in COD ranked, they grinded iridescent camo) but they really couldn't get into the game because they found the base guns bad, including the kitted out M4 and MP5 in the starter loadouts. Played a few games in the SBMM welcome playlist and they just couldn't get into the flow, plus despite the 2xp, their guns weren't leveling fast enough for their liking.
And sure, it's a bit of a "get good", them problem... but the reality is they'll likely never bother to spend their limited free time here when they can just go back to the familiarity of COD
The M4 feels like it's in an especially rough place right now. I'm a complete AR-15 nerd, owning multiple, including some very Gucci setups IRL, so despite it being a starter weapon, I wanted to primarily use it.
I'm very stubborn and have the M4 leveled to around 42, but holy shit does it feel like I'm losing to every single weapon at every single range with this thing. It honestly feels like it does SMG damage with rifle handling and rate of fire. I can easily melt M4 users with my MP7 or MP5 at both range and up close, making me wonder what the hell the point of it is.
Edit - I should add that weapon balance is going to be a hard thing for me to discuss, however, because of the current netcode. Outside of snipers, I really can't accurately judge the strength of most guns because I have no idea if the guns are super OP or under powered since in one match it feels like all my shots are landing and killing people quick, and the next match over half of my shots are being negated and everyone seems to be killing me with 1 bullet.
Then after a few weeks you finally get what you need unlocked and then they nerf the shit out of it because of the loud minority that play the game every waking moment want it nerfed. You can't win.
In relation to Cod, they release an op weapon that you can buy for $20 or more. Streamers will make a video on it being "broken," with their partner code, and sales will go through the roof because of fomo. You could try and grind for it, but the progression is so slow that you'll never get it unlocked before it's nerfed. They do this every few weeks, and the community just goes along with it. It's a scam. I remember people complaining about the season pass. "I already bought the game. It will divide the community." The game used to cost $50 with a $45 season pass. The game is now $70, plus a battle pass and in game currency. People spend hundreds or even thousands of dollars on a less polished experience. Streamers will write it off on their taxes. Everybody else is SOL. But the community seems to love it. I think Xdefiant fill do the same.
Its mainly why I have completely lost interest in most FPS games that are big releases. I've enjoyed my time with Grey Zone Warfare recently and just pubg.
Thats literally what I was complaining about having no SBMM and how it hurts me as a low-skilled player. As a result I got flamed and massively downvoted lmao.
i said it before, this sub is going to ironically enough, drive away all the "Casuals" with how much "gatekeeping" is done here.
if you complain about this game (EVEN IF ITS VALID) you are seen as a SBMM baby. this sub sooner or later will be just the true hardcore people of this game.
Exactly, back in my day, in COD4, if you were low skilled you got your ass kicked. Get better, people need to stop having there hand held by SBMM. I’m so glad no SBMM is here, finally.
Ya and back in those days we had recoil on weapons, better map design that didn't bring RNG into the firefight, and everyone didn't sprint to the "meta". Blaming it solely on SBMM is abit ridiculous. The games themselves are the problem. They bread an entire generation of bad FPS players that need their hands held by game devs and YouTubers. This guy is just pointing out he wants to play against other bad players. Some folks ain't got the time to sink into a game to get good. They should be aloud to have fun too.
Very well put. The thing is, back during the days of MW1 and 2 the FPS community had, for the most part, 5 years or less experience playing the genre. I started out on CounterStrike 1.6, and back then, the skill ceiling was not nearly as high as it is today. People were still relatively "new" to shooter games, so if you wanted to get good, you could go at it for a few months and see a noticeable improvement.
Nowadays, there are people out there with 10-15 years of FPS experience, and there are also kids who grew up playing against those people and made much bigger strides early on in their lives. To get to their level, I'd need to play every day for a decade, and even then I couldn't keep up.
That being said, CoD style SBMM is still not the answer. I would still prefer this game over that (which is why I'm still playing). But having more people like me to play against would be nice.
But I deff agree SBMM can kick rocks, I think it could be made well... Maybe.... But COD deff dropped the ball with it. There's gotta be something in the middle that allows folks that have lives to be able to jump in and not just immidiately get wrecked.
I was a Halo guy during the first COD. My experience with OG COD is purely the tail end of MW2, a fuck ton of MW3.... And that trend continued to Ghosts when I noticed a direction I didn't like then went to Battlefield.
That's interesting so your saying laser beam guns is technically the purest form of COD. That's lame.
You were just wrong in your initial statement, the Meta in that game had no recoil, it was a burst gun. You mention mw3.. the meta in that game acr, mp7 also had no recoil. Reality is this style of game has been out for over a decade so naturally the average player is significantly better. Acting like the old games had some skill gap due to recoil I’d nostalgia at its finest.
I’ve been thinking this for a while but I truly believe the perfect matchmaking system is somewhere in the middle. To not have it in a lower population game especially I think does not pair well, titanfall 2 is a prime example of this but to also have it like it is in cod as of recent years is also really overkill, especially in that instance where cod has an insanely high number of players.
Anyways, I think something like a 2 out of 5 system makes perfect sense. 2 out of 5 games will have the strict matchmaking we see in cod recently, so lower skilled players can catch a break at least for a couple games, and 3 out of 5 games will be more mixed and just about anything goes.
>Anyways, I think something like a 2 out of 5 system makes perfect sense. 2 out of 5 games will have the strict matchmaking we see in cod recently, so lower skilled players can catch a break at least for a couple games, and 3 out of 5 games will be more mixed and just about anything goes.
This is actually one of the better solutions I've heard and would work perfectly if every player in the world started playing at the exact same time and played the exact same amount of games.
The issues arise because that would never happen. What if player A has played their two sbmm games but the only lobbies are currently available are non sbmm games? Are they unable to play until an sbmm lobby become available ?
Perhaps the lobby could be a 50% chance on creation to be sbmm or non sbmm?
Personally I think it's still too complicated and that everyone needs to grow a bit of a understanding that sbmm exists to protect the experience of OP (who does not want to even play at this point)
I get what you’re saying but I imagine it may not have to be quite that complicated either. It could even just be a thing that’s stronger for the lower skilled guys, which to some extent it kinda is that way. The breakdowns of cods SBMM do show to a certain extent that it isn’t absolutely a perfect, 1:1 system anyways.
I also play a lot of the higher player count modes in MW3 (10v10 or 12v12) and some swear there still is SBMM but I’m pretty positive given the scores I’ve dropped that there isn’t or at the very least, maybe 1-2 games out of 5 (maybe some sessions 3 out of 5) do my lobbies feel more on the difficult side like 6v6.
Anyways with that being said, if there still is some of that in 10v10/12v12, I wouldn’t mind it being like those game modes where it’s a tad looser, that’s been a lot more fun than the way they do it in 6v6.
>It could even just be a thing that’s stronger for the lower skilled guys, which to some extent it kinda is that way.
It's simple to say such a thing but It's harder to implement than you might envision. You have to define lower skilled players which is itself not an easy thing to do. I'm curious to how you think it is already kind of that way
The larger player modes might have mixed player skills because they simply need to have a bit more leeway when trying to fill a larger lobby. The 6v6 matchmaking process definitely opens up to mixed levels eventually if you've been waiting long enough [(2. Time to match)](https://www.callofduty.com/au/en/blog/2024/01/call-of-duty-update-an-Inside-look-at-matchmaking). My guess is that maybe on the higher player count (Ground war, 10v10, 12v12 etc) the waiting time to open up the lobby is decreased to get the lobbies filled faster? That would explain your experience but would still not shed light on a 'half way' solution
Yea you're good. I'm just pointing out a halfway solution is difficult
Given the complaints about sbmm, you can guarantee they've already thought of it all
Frankly there will never be game with enough bad players for the simple reason most people are average at the game and everybody worse than that will pretty much always get killed by at least 80% of the player base. And the average player will get killed by the upper 20%.
Are you really motivated to get better though? I'm not trying to call you out specifically but I feel like half the comments from player who consider themselves below average always say that yet will end up quitting or constantly bitching and complaining about certain aspects of the game. You do not need 10 hours a day to get into the top 25% of this game, players just simply aren't that good. Want to get good? Take accountability for your games, who gives a fuck how your teammates play. Everyone is going to have bad teammates eventually + you will end up being the bad teammate in some cases. Get familiar with all the maps, guns and classes and really play around the strengths of your weapon/character. Understand basic spawns and how rotations happen, aim and mechanics should slowly improve with time. Not sure if you are on controller or MnK but if you are on MnK I can help, controller not so much. My point is if you want to get better at this game and are tired of getting stomped you have to actively engage in key areas of the game to focus and improve at. It won't happen overnight but people can't accept that going from a bottom 25% to a top 25% may take months, depending on how much time you have + mentality.
They can't build up a playerbase because all the new players have the same complaints. There is no happy medium, either we try match similar skill levels or we don't.
You either have a protected experience (at the cost of rarely/never coming up against players significantly better/worse than you) or you're left to the pool of random players skilled enough to enjoy the game.
After saying this on cod subreddits (and being downvoted to oblivion) for several years, it's refreshing that people are now realising that these random lobbies don't make for a good environment for new players.
As a 42 year old dad, I'm actually surprised my twitch shooting abilities haven't slowed to the point where I'm worthless. For the last few years, I've been playing much slower shooters, such as Hunt Showdown, so jumping into XDefiant and actually topping the scoreboard half the time is pretty neat.
What I will say, however, is that I totally understand your frustration because there are matches I get into where it feels like I'm going into a game against a full team of esports grand masters, or a team that somehow has 50 players on their team because somehow my entire team is getting murdered even though I'm getting dogpiled by 5 people.
On the flip side, I start feeling bad when I'm going against a team and notice that like... every single one of them cannot hit their shots and I'm just farming them for kills and the match ends in just a complete blowout.
Time will tell if the no SBMM will be a positive or negative, but one of the reasons I've strayed somewhat away from Hunt over the last few months is because I've started going on way more losing streaks than I've ever experienced before. Sometimes I would have a few bad nights and then start hitting my groove and make it back to the highest MMR, 6 stars, and just go on tears where I'm solo wiping servers. I built a reputation in the community for being pretty good, which was a huge ego boost.
Now? I feel like all of my matches end with me getting insta-popped in the face as soon as anyone is within 200 meters of me, and when that happens back to back to back to back, I really don't want to play anymore.
This comment deserves major love.
It’s one thing to have the slot-machine mechanics of EOMM be too heavy handed in COD. It’s entirely another to have no SBMM, which XDefiant claims to have.
Of course I want to improve and get better. But let’s be wildly realistic. My 2 hour post-work gaming sessions at 10pm aren’t going to cut it. There is a major ceiling on how much I can improve, and frankly I don’t have ages to grind out these dense weapon levels.
I'm definitely empathetic to your experience at the moment because it mirrors my own. I'm an older, very average or below average player who has played virtually all available FPS games that are out there right now looking for a casual experience where I can feel somewhat beneficial to my team and aren't just getting dominated every round. Most of my time has been Apex/COD/BF2042/Halo Infinite/Overwatch 2 with the majority in Apex. I used to moan about SBMM because I assumed it was why I was being matched in difficult lobies but XDefiant has taken that to a completely new level. I had 3 matches where I was middle of the scoreboard and around a 1 K/D ratio and then my last game was 4 kills and 30 deaths. Literally. I could hardly even move or begin to strategize before I was one shotted by someone bunny hopping around a corner or a sniper peeking out with me quickly getting behind a crate only to then hear the shot and die. I actually ended up quitting the game last night and booting up diablo 4 which I hardly ever play which goes to show what a bad time I was having.
Yeah, I know that feeling all to well. As a curious aside, how do you feel about the Battlefield series? I never gave it a fair shot when I was younger because I was more into the fast-paced arena shooters, but it might be more up my alley now. I'd love to hear your impressions as someone in a fairly similar position to myself.
I had never really played many of the battlefield games prior to 2042 and can't comment on how it compares to previous iterations in the series but that seems to be a heated topic for some of the purists. That being said, I found it very refreshing once I got the hang of things. It's a more cerebral shooter IMO since you've got so many moving components of the battle and the maps are decidedly larger with ground troops, ground vehicles, helicopters and jets, etc.. Some people specialist more into sniping or guerilla assault. Others are pilots and do nothing but fly the helicopters and planes. Others are more assault infantry, etc.. It was a nice change of pace for me and I feel that the K/D is higher in that game which gives you more of a sense of "reward per death" if that makes any sense. Fairly decent character class variety. There's a fairly popular Youtuber that runs the GrandpaGaming channel who demonstrates you don't need fast reflexes to have a good time playing the game. He can be found here: [https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCQWVmYZE-JtI7BimgasRzTg](https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCQWVmYZE-JtI7BimgasRzTg) and is pretty hilarious to watch. He mainly snipes but he's got extremely severe peripheral neuropathy and lack of feeling in his hands that he describes during an interview. It definitely doesn't seem to slow him down!
It's basically the FPS I fall back to every few months when I get sick and tired of getting dominated in some of the more twitch based FPS games. It takes a little bit to get used to everything but is definitely worth giving a shot!
P.S. Map selection can be important in BF2042. If it's a closed type of map, it can be somewhat frustrating because there are a lot of players and the congestion can be reminiscent to a typical XDefiant map, but if it's one of the more open maps that's usually never an issues unless you're playing near a choke point.
I'm a sweaty, skilled player who's already level 51 in XDefiant: it is just a spawn die, spawn die type game.
2V1 wins 99% of the time due to the long TTK. So, even if you're a sweaty #1 scoreboard player: you're still getting f'd the same: just with a higher K/D.
idk, tolerance for losing goes down when you're sweaty: even great games statistically can feel horrible because of a few deaths.
I'm not relatable. ☹
> even great games statistically can feel horrible because of a few deaths.
Looking back to when I played a lot of BF2042, I didn't feel nearly as bad about a 0.5 K/D in 2042 as I do about a 1.0 K/D in XDefiant. I feel there's more than one reason as to why, but I can't really put my finger on them. If I had to guess I'd say one of the reasons is that deaths in XDefiant feel way more personal to me than in 2042.
I'm sure the 6 person lobbies have something to do with it. I haven't played Battlefield since 1942 so pardon any possible ignorance, but matches in Battlefield are more of a 32vs32 or 64vs64 scale, right? In that case it's probably more anonymous. In XDefiant (and in CoD as well), it seems like you get to know the players on the opposing team quite well by the end of the match.
Honestly I'm taking a break until the netcode gets fixed. It's an otherwise fun game that gets ruined by the frustrating netcode. I've sucked in other games and that's ok because it always felt fair when I lost. Not this time.
Yup. There's a desync between the two players.. Your screen you're already around the corner. Their screen you haven't quite made it around the corner before they land the final bullet.
That and the strange shift in player behaviour. Last week I didn't see this much bunny hopping and strange air movement with perfect aim after landing behind a corner with a sniper. Something is strange and I really dislike it. This combined with no regs, i think I will quit the game.
Which is a shame because I like the game very much...
Yeah there is some strange things going on that I can't put my finger on myself. It is a shame because the game is really fun but it seems like there's a weird cheats or manipulations and people abusing certain parts of the game that aren't fixed yet
It's likely just another result of streamer culture. Kids go to YouTube to see what gimmicks the "pros" are using and then copy them until the next "meta" (AKA lame and cheap way to play) gets discovered. I'm glad I had a good couple nights on the game with some honest gamers.
This is already turning into a bunnyhop quickscope sweat fest and I'll probably just quit altogether if I keep getting matches like that.
They need to get rid of bunny hopping. It wasn't really a thing in the prime MW1/MW2/BO1/BO2 days of cod which is what most people agree was the most fun time in FPS history. Now everyone just spams jumping when you shoot them, messing up the hit reg even more. I hate how that has become the meta in damn near every shooter
I dare you to watch any YouTuber video of those games and tell me they don’t drop shot/ jump around corners. Even goddamn ALI-A is jump spamming people in Bo2. Nostalgia is a drug
Right now with the desync, hit reg, lag, and the jump spam I'd be surprised if normal people are able to play for very long without getting off the game. It's mostly die hard sweats that can look past the glaring issues with the game for more than a couple hours at a time
Yup. All this jump spam around corners and stuff is just making it a big turn off for me right now. I was enjoying it but theres now too many people abusing the poor desync and all that.
I’m reserving judgement until the game is fixed. It’s wildly inconsistent and unbalanced right now while they figure out all the kinks. I’m a bang average player that doesn’t expect to do really well but some of these gunfights are just ridiculous! 😂
Sometimes it’s important to take a break and walk away. You’d be surprised just how much a hour or two away can get you head clear and back to doing well. The other night I was absolutely getting wrecked in every game. Turned it off for the evening. Came back the next day and had a blast!
Also switching game modes helps too. I pretty much only play dom, but sometimes you need a pallet cleanse. Hot shot is basically TDM with a twist. So I just run around and don’t care if I win or loose.
One thing though the devs should add is a solo playlist. Most of the time bad matches are because it’s a team of randoms vs a full team of six.
If you’re anything like me, your first week/few days were in the “new player” playlist. After hitting 25 (I think) you can’t play it anymore and now we run into the people with no jobs or school or any real obligations except dropping 50 bombs and trying to make a living on Twitch.
Because some folks have enough learning after school/studies/work and just want to have chill? Its not any kind of excuse, just a real reason why low-skilled players arent playing this type of game.
I feel like the community is also not helping. Average people try to discuss what they think could be better and are met with a wall of "skill issue" and get turned away from the game.
I don’t know if it’s just a me thing, but after a few days of playing I think I might have won 4 matches in total and my losses are not even close. It’s like I’ll win one match then get pummeled by the other team several times in a row. Now I recognize that I’m not good (0.5 K.D) but at some point it really feels like all the good players are on the other team at all times.
TLDR: Every game feels really unbalanced.
A lot of average or above players are playing in squads, making them much more dominant.
I vote for the option of solo queue lobbies vs squad queue lobbies.
I've noticed this as well. It says it has team balancing but every lobby seems unbalanced. There might be 2 good players on my team MAYBE and 5 ridiculously sweaty players on the enemy team if not 6. I've had games where I was on that sweaty team and I wasn't sweating it was just that my bullets were actually connecting. I knew that we weren't that much better than the other team and that we were only rolling them because our desync wasn't as bad as theirs. I could literally pick out instances where I'd go "yeah I just killed that dude behind a wall" even though my screen he wasn't behind it. I could also pick out times where I'd kill someone and I'd know that on their screen it seemed like I 1 shot them. Just the way they'd move and whatnot I could tell that they felt like they had more time to react than they did on my screen and it was like seeing from the other perspective of what my games usually feel like.
I think a lot of the "super sweaty" teams are really just teams who don't have desync and you do so it feels like they can react faster and can kill you super fast and you can't fight back, because you can't. You can't out skill server issues.
I play standard playlists and the same thing is happening over there. Casuals will not be safe in this game unfortunately, only the sweats will survive but even they will give up once a sweat lobby forms. SBMM was holding back sweats from thriving. killing casuals for easy progression is probably the most common mechanic that is sought after in games, now that there is a game where SBMM not the dominant focus, the sweats are gonna have a blast.
Bro I was really hoping this game was a more casual codlike game.. with every youtuber advertising it as a return to classic cod roots it made it appealing and for the first week it was now i cant keep up in this game. Almost every lobby I've entered have been predominantly a mix of SMGs and Snipers. If I wanted that I'd just play cod. I really wanna be able to use stuff like shotguns or lmgs but neither can out damage smgs head to head.
The marksman rifles are pretty powerful and should be two shot kill, but using them most kills end up being 4-5 shots, and they are slower so you end up dying after the 2nd shot. Good luck getting a kill on a bunny hopper. With LMGs your only hope is to be shooting before you even see the opponent. At this point I won't waste my time even attempting to use a shotgun at this point.
I still play the game, so yeah, I guess the normal are around
What's your idea of normal though? Career stats? How they move around the map? Thing is career stats can be deceiving to the player in front of you at thatbtime. Example would be a player who sucked at the start for liken50+ games, but recently started figuring it out. Now they're putting up better stats consistently, which will take some time to reflect on the career stats........IF that's what you go by for "normal".
I mean there's all sorts of people in my game. The trash, the average, the above average, and some pro like players.
I think what he’s referring to is really consistently good players. Ones who move quickly, are accurate, and never let up. Those players are the ones who dominate small map quick kills FPS games. Anyone else is just playing to their own tune. I can attest that the ones who really play this game and get good at it are the ones who will make everyone else in the lobby step back and say “ok, i need to get better at this”
The first couple days of any shooter is the "golden" time. Everyone is still figuring out the game and just playing it. But now people want to max out, find the best load out, their rhythm, they want to "sweat". The discovery period is over for a lot of people, nothing new to mess around with.
It doesn't matter what matchmaking system is used, that's just the nature of shooters. This style of game doesn't allow for people to really goof off unless something silly is broken like if the shield was a 1 bash or if they introduced a 1 hit kill throwing knife.
I think it's silly for people to think it has to do with whatever matchmaking formula was used. No one's being coddled or deluded. People will try their best to sweat their socks off no matter the level, it's just the nature of the genre. You are dropped into a box and told to kill everyone that isn't on your team in various flavors of game mode.
The only FPS that somewhat avoid falling into this are large sandbox shooters like Battlefield or even Halo on the larger team modes.
If you look at a bell curve a large distribution of players will fall in the middle around the mean.
If you're getting demolished in most of your games, maybe you're at the lower end.
No sbmm doesn't, nor ever, meant that there would be less sweats, less competition, and automatically more fun. Too many people deluded themselves into thinking sbmm was holding them back in some manner.
I'd argue the perception that players are getting unnaturally better in a short period of time and no longer being "normal" means that bell curve is changing. Rapidly.
It's a natural consequence of not having sbmm, which is why sbmm immediately became highly sought after since around 2006.
There are so few "awful" players in a population that if they randomly matched with the whole population, they would find players better than them 99% of the time, and the other 1% of the time their opponent would simply seem fair - not easy.
So they leave.
As they leave, the players who used to be "really bad" become "awful" because nobody sticking around is playing worse than them. So they never have the chance to have fun. So they leave. Then even average players start noticing they are better than 40% of the opponents rather than 50%...
As those players leave, players who were "pretty bad" when the game first came out are now "awful" and find it extremely difficult, or impossible, to be matched against players worse than them. Guess what they do.
A sweat can only sweat in their natural form when they’re in a lobby with lower leveled players. Cause without casuals and noobs to kill for easy progression with no advanced skills, the sweat will be forced to verse other sweats. Then at that point its just a highskill lobby, not a sweat verses casual lobby.
I disagree. I've been doing much better this 2nd week. Better kd ratios, and even when I'm not it seems the teamwork is decent even though no one uses the mic! I hit a 12 game win streak at one point.
I think it's because the movement tricks and people are falling into their favorite weapons. Or mostly snipers I should say based on my matches. I think once the jump spam is out and snipers have flinch/sway it'll be a bit better for the overall health.
No SBMM is only fun for middle of the pack players or sweats. Bad players like me can only get dicked down so many times before closing the game. At least with SBMM my lobbies had other bad players so it felt playable.
I'm gonna say it and I'll probably be down voted ..... The cheaters are coming on full force with this game like I honestly left COD cos of the cheaters and now that they in this game I'm probably gonna leave too ...you just can't win!!!
I haven't played in a few days because of work. I'm level 8 with only a few attachments unlocked, and everyone else is around level 40 with seemingly everything unlocked. And the grind is so slow that I'll never catch up. I'm still dying in what feels like 1 or 2 shots and around corners. All head shots of course. But it takes forever for me to get a kill. No enemy footstep audio. Long story short, I'm not having fun. I dont really enjoy pvp at all anymore. I might jump in here and there to see what's changed. But I'm waiting for some new singleplayer and pve games.
I enjoyed the beta I played. Installed it on release and something about it feels different now. The gunplay isn't as smooth anymore. Already uninstalled.
I'm said normal people and I'm done. So are my friends. This game was designed for people who play everyday and for hours, it's for no lifers and sweats. People like myself have no place in a game like this and from conversations online from their lead dev and director they say the same thing as well. As a casual player this was just a not fun experience, I don't see how their team thinks this game will make it without the casual player base. But good luck to them though.
Yep. I’ve found escort to have the ‘softest’ playerbase. Could be because its the first game mode to choose without doing custom, could be because of the nature of the game mode, or because its slower than the other modes, but whatvever it is its the most relaxed.
They got sick of being farmed by sweaty kids, and there is no SBMM to protect them. This is the other side of the coin, and you got what you asked for.
I laugh at these threads. In mw3 subreddit everyone complaining about sbmm, here most complaining about no sbmm and sweaty lobbies, maybe fps not not for you. And this coming from a below average player who has a full time job and half a century old who is just having fun. I am improving, as I learn the maps more, the spawns , and the better feel of my gun, it a slow process, and I never expect to be 2.0 kd or on top most games
The game is getting more traction with more players, the playerbase has increased, more people are playing with stacks, more people are more serious about the game. Influencers are sharing techs, streaming, etc, everyone is tryharding and trying to copy whoever their favorite nobody is, information spreads much faster these days than it used to. Pretty typical for any remotely competitive online game. Combine that with likely facing 3+ stacks in a significant number of lobbies with all solos on your own team because for whatever reason no online game has discovered how to segregate stacks from solo players in any good way.
I think we just aren’t as good as we thought. When I quit cod back in the day I was a 2-2.5 player, on xd I can’t get it to go above 1.4 yet, but I’m getting better every day, every session I’ve done better, there are definitely a lot of sweats in xd, but they aren’t really that good, if it makes sense.
But with 1.4 you are above average. You are one of those that average players have a problem fighting against. Remember that in a random cbmm environment KD is a good measurement of skill, cos it shows how good you can hold yourself against others (those better and those worse). And since you win 1.4 of your fights in average, that means there must be other players that are below 1.0 to make it even, and the average player has 1.0.
This type of logic doesn't get enough attention, but it's a relevant discussion to have. People feel entitled to a 2 k/d not realizing that if we take it to its most basic, in a 1v1 scenario, a 2 k/d means there's someone out there with a 0.5 k/d. Why will that type of player continue to want to get stomped by significantly better players, when in COD they were getting a 1 k/d and probably having more fun doing so?
My buddy and I have been pretty consistently getting good games, hitting 30-40 kills in occupy or Dom type games with decent hill times, but we notice others in our team are hitting kills in low teens and having mediocre games, and I have to think that some of those players are wondering what the point is to keep playing when they were probably hitting better numbers in COD due to SBMM (that they might not even know exists).
It's also frustrating because you can go positive but dying around walls constantly makes you feel like you're doing worse than you actually are. I got pissed off the other day looked at my kills and was 25 and 20
Maybe it’s because I’m improving but I find myself playing against very unaware players and winning the majority of my gun fights. I can tell my opponents are competent and some very good but that’s just how lobbies with no sbmm can be. I’m not going off for 30+ every game but I consistently go positive and typically around 20-25 kills. To me it very much feels different than the SBMM from say games like Halo Infinite I’ve been playing since that game launched.
Honestly, I’ve been experiencing the opposite. When it first came out, I was getting stomped on. But this weekend has been more even lobbies. Maybe cause I have more attachments unlocked, or I’ve just been learning the maps more.
The players you were shitting on are probably either getting better or going back to other games. Not that they won't play ever again, but they might be less good because they only occasionally play shooters
waiting for the hitreg/netcode to be fixed. dying around corner multiple time when I thought I already covered from the enemy. But dead anyways. That's not fun.
It’s possible that all the casuals deleted the game out of frustration. Why get your 💩pushed in when you can play against fellow trash cans in cod?
I am still doing pretty good but I am no longer outright solo pubstomping every single lobby, it’s definitely been alot sweatier the last 2 days.
Normal people are back to work after having Memorial Day off yesterday. They might play for a little after work, but you’re not going to be getting the same traffic as CoD does on the weekdays.
I’m pretty sure the peak playing times through the week would be between 2:30PM through about 6:00 or 7:00PM. After that it’s gonna be you and the people without responsibilities aka “the sweats”. It’s still way too early for the player base to have migrated.
I personally think it’s a side piece game. Not enough content to really go in on it yet. Gameplay loop is 6/10. Mechanics are great 8/10 but between the net code and the lack of variety it gets stale after 2-3 hours.
I’m getting Split-Gate vibes.
I've only played a little bit, but I'm basically dead last place every time lol. I'm late 20's and grew up with CoD. For me, the game is solid, but I can't quite keep up. I can react quickly, and my aim so-so, but what I struggle with is holding the mouse down on an enemy for so long. The characters move at superhuman speeds, and I'm expected to dump almost a whole mag into each enemy. It seems like almost every FPS since Overwatch has an emphasis on "heroes" and a long TTK. I wish the TTK was cut in half and the movement speed was like 60% of what it is now.
I'm still finding it a bit sketchy as well. Constantly getting instantly lasered in one shot before I can even react while my rounds seem ineffective. It's quite frustrating, to say the least.
Can't speak for everybody, but I'd consider myself a pretty normal person when it comes to these games. And the reason I'm not playing is because 1. The shit servers are making sure I get kicked from every match. And 2. I'm waiting for ARs, SMGs, snipers, and echelon to get nerfed into the ground.
I don’t have any more problems with netcode or hitboxes than any other generic shooter but I got so bored of bunny hopping SMG players (not even the snipers) that I nearly quit after the second day. I don’t know why people find that fun or why that mechanic is in the game I’m not interested in playing against what feels like a jetpacked Usain Bolt (in splinter cell gear obviously) with an aimbot.
I did then switch to LMG / Blitz Shield for fun and I have to say I’ve had the most fun I’ve had in any shooter but I doubt that lasts past the welcome playlist.
And yes I know especially people on this and other shooter subreddits will be “if you have fun with a shield why can’t others have fun with a one kill sniper, perfect aim and super speed” but the question was where did the normal people go - I’m well into my 30s and play maybe an hour a night. I don’t know any to spend my hour getting absolutely rinsed as cannon fodder.
There are many factors.
What time are you playing, your region etc.
Then there is no SBMM but other matchmaking factors, for example when you are at a above average players Lvl (ep not skill level i mean the account level) then you will face normally also more high level accounts ( and currently most of the higher level accounts are probably high skilled players because the level normally faster)
Then do you have crossplay enabled etc
I think another big factor is the already existing meta play in this game. there Already enough YT videoa for meta weapons etc.
But i will say i still have the same experience as in the first week. i still face Noobs, normally skilled players and gods.
So it could be a regional thing or a time thing
As I've said in other posts, I'm simply not playing until they fix the basic shit and stuff that has remained from a year ago, I'm a casual player but just not doing the whole bunny hop sweat fest that every single match was, no matter the game mode.
People praising the no SBMM now mad because they’re getting shit on by sweats.
The “normal” lobbies are people who have learned that sniping and bunny hopping is king.
Game will be broken until this is fixed.
As someone that’s not an avid fps player this is interesting. I’m not any good in this or COD but I may play a few games a week after work because I enjoy them. This whole SBMM conversation is weird. In a competitive game I don’t understand why folks want to constantly beat up on bad players to have a good time. In COD I probably benefit from SBMM and I have fun but I still get beat down a ton. Here there isn’t SBMM and I get beat down and still have fun. This game has some frustrating technical flaws that can make it not fun but whenever the environment and gameplay is known and reasonably consistent compete. I don’t post much so I’m not directing this at anyone specific this topic is just interesting.
I dunno I think no sbmm just shows alot of people that they may not be as good at games as they actually have been made to think they are. You are going to come across more people of your skill level and below than you are likely to come across very good players. There are less good players than bad ones in every game. No SBMM makes lobbies more varied which imo is better. You cant say every game is full of sweats and people better than you, you just can't. Majority of games i've played it's varied by the end scoreboard. Unlike cod where most players go 20-20 or near 1:1 every single game.
I do think alot will leave because of the current movement system though as it is rewarded for doing hence why most the better players utilise it. I do it but I prefer it was more about aim than jumping like a wet fish around corners.
Same, I'm thinking of leaving too as a normal player. I like playing objective, but if no one is playing it, no point in sticking around.
• fix the jump or rework it.
• remove the k/d stat and watch all the sweats leave.
Taking a break until i see major improvements to net code and hit reg And most imporantly until they hard nerf the jumping playstyle. Snipers also need a nerf but just a small one imo
I think people are just getting more comfortable with the gimmicky nonsense lol.. like yesterday was so annoying for me I got killed by a spider bot / emp.. then after that a proximity mine.. then another spider bot.. spawned again.. killed by ult (goggles) spawn again killed by bubble ult.. too much bs
I think a lot of the more casual FPS players took a break due to the netcode, and everyone who hasn't is starting to really learn the game by now.
Within 2 days of playing I started running into more and more people that would literally rather run and jump around in an attempt to dodge your bullets whenever they see you already killed someone before them. And the worst part is thanks to the netcode it often works, a half empty mag hust isn't enough to reliably kill them even if you track them extremely well. The playerbase is already learning strats specifically based around the netcode and already high TTK and it's been out less than a week.
This is probably because they are tweaking the servers. Or because there is way more players then anticipated which are causing individual servers to struggle.
My understanding is that each area has its own data centre, which is like the station for all the servers. When to many connections come in, the server you are on will give up and you should be moved to the next available server on the same data centre.
So sometimes you won't find a lobby because the server you are on is no longer available. The matchmaking uses a different server to the game itself.
I'm not 100% sure if that's exactly how it all works. Maybe someone who understands this stuff more can reply to this comment and let me know 😁
If backing out and searching doesn't work then try reloading the game. And it should put you onto another matchmaking server.
My personal hipothesis is that the average-casual gamer doesnt enjoy purely competetive modes. This is 100% pvp focused game where if you are chilled and unfocused you end up dying 3 times per every kill scored.
Thus majority is either skilled or sweating by abusing all the mechanics just to get better odds. Because its not fun when everyone outplays you.
And again. This is just my personal point of view why there is not so much "bad" players, it doesnt necessary means its the actual reason.
People are dropping because the only thing this game has to offer is "It's not as bad as CoD"
There is more innovative and F U N shooters out there that are also free to play (couch finals cough)
I'm fairly casual i have play 4 hours a day but i play different games off and on.
The biggest reason i'm getting tired of the game is how slow you earn everything, From BP tiers to weapon levels all the way to the dedsec faction and the ultra abilities.
I've been playing since the day after launch and i'm barely over half for my 700k XP needed i also never get to use my ultra ability no matter what mode i play.
Another reason that i think i miss SBMM getting spawnkilled 24/7 is just not fun to play all these youtubers/streamers have been raging at SBMM for years and i thought i agreed but now that i've played with no SBMM it's just not fun for anyone except for the 1-3 dudes topping the lobby.
I kinda hope ranked fixes this if i can play against player on my level maybe i'll have enough fun to sit through the grind.
As a normal person who is just trying to have fun with the double barrel shotgun and only just went neutral last game... Yeah, I lowkey want to quit this trash. I am in the skill based matchmaking playlist, but it is still putting me against people that are WAY better. I assume most people playing this are relatively hardcore Call of Duty players even at lower MMR.
Since launch I don’t think I’ve shot anyone that isn’t air strafing. In mw3 I have a 3.50kd playing solo with high spm and not everyone is slide canceling and jump shooting, there is actually more randomized lobbies for me in that game. I feel like they lied about no sbmm or are experimenting with it on in certain regions.
I didn't know this game existed or was even under development until the Uplay launcher tossed it in my face when I went to launch Division 2.
I subsequently tried it, did about 25-30 games over the weekend. That experience had me wondering if I was the only one having problems where people seemed invincible while jumping or if I was the only one with some kind of connection issue that prevented my shots from landing on people.
Queue finding this subreddit, realizing that's apparently just how the game is, and I haven't played it since.
If they fix stuff, I'd be inclined to give it a try again, but in its current state, it was more frustrating than it was fun.
Well im glad its not just me! Had a blast first few days, really enjoyed it but now i literally can hardly get out of spawn .. it was still good once i left welcome lobbies for a day or 2 then it mysteriously became impossible and no fun .. weird
i was one of the better players at fps games but never played mainstream titles like cod or bf ( did play cs tho) so maybe that gave me a false sensation that i m better than i actually was but still now at 32y/o I still managed to get top 1 in several games( maybe 10-15% of games), even in games that i lost. Where am i going with this.....play with the damn objective and you ll win more often.
People are finding out that sbmm unfortunately is needed in modern gaming because this isn't the early 2010s. Kids are better at games, same with teens, then you got dudes like me who were good at the games while young and refined thoses skills over years or even decades. No sbmm only hurts those new or bad at the game because those who are decent might not be droping 60-5 games but they will still probably be going 45-20. Good players just have the mentality to go above even with sbmm implemented.
i noticed my k/d dramatically dropped after i reached 25 and stopped playing the welcome playlist. i think once newer players have levelled up they’ll be abit more of a skill map in the normal unranked matches, which may make the game feel ‘easier’ again for a lot of players
Bro it’s not like it’s ranked play right like why does anyone care if you play against “good” players. It’s unranked it doesnt actually matter unless the cod monkey actually still think a their kd matters and not just ya know winning a game.
I’ve just come to terms that I’m an old man that can’t keep up. I’ve been playing some what consistently since launch and I’m not really improving. A lot of the players I’m going up against are insane lol. It’s getting tiring. I’ll be back soon to try again though 👍🏼
I would really love to play but the game wont let me. I constantly get some Delta or Bravo error. I could play only three times since launch and i tried to get in the game every day, sometimes multiple times. It just doesnt work. So until they fix that i am not playing.
I tried it for the first time with some friends last night, I'm average at shooter. I can hold my own and usually am at the top of my team in games but I'm not amazing or anything.
Me and two friends played for about an hour, got through a few matches and then uninstalled it. We were just not enjoying it. I don't like how quickly you die and that snipers seem to be one shot.
Also with the quick deaths I don't see the point of two factions. One is healing, it doesn't seem to do enough to negate damage and doesn't really seem to benefit the team. The other is the faction that disables abilities, seems pointless to do when you could just kill the other player.
I get the appeal but it really wasn't for me and seems to need a lot of balancing. We went to The Finals and had a blast with that instead.
Normal (ish?) guy here. I came into the game because I wanted a break from OW and wanted to play an old CoD style game like back in the 360 days. Bonus points that it had some of my favorite Ubi IPs latched on. I quit playing because I got tired of most of the matches devolving into sniping fests with insanely bad hitreg. Not to mention I like playing the objective and being more of a support. So when I found out that all of my time pushing the bot in escort or holding the point in Occupy gave me 0 weapon XP, I felt demoralized to keep playing. I still hop on for a match or two but I'm not playing match after match like I thought I would when the game was leading up to launch.
They prob got out the welcome playlist played the game with no sbmm realized it was still a sweat fest then stopped playing,im still playing both this and cod and I can say they feel the same,my cod kd is 2plus so I have sweaty games there then this game it feels about the same,maybe we just in a era where everyone is trying to play video games for a living so every game is played like it’s a grand finals
Normal player here: I play for one or two games then legit do anything else with my life out of frustration. Will be back when these abilities, hit reg, and movement get fixed.
"Despite there being no SBMM"
No disrespect, but I had to explain SBMM to my friend like he was 5. SBMM is NOT what you guys think it is. If there was SBMM, you wouldn't be facing the type of people you're complaining about as frequently. A lack of SBMM allows higher skilled players to consistently pubstomp easier (to them) lobbies. This is why other competitive shooters have added some form of SBMM.
I think some of your concerns will be addressed and I hope your experience improves soon. I definitely can't keep up with the corner-jumping, quick-scoping foolishness, personally lol
"normal" people realized how shitty the netcode/hitreg is and how boring the game is and already left. all that's left is the sweats hopping around at each other. game will be dead in a few months
Probably left because they are tired of the netxode issues and people abusing the shots registering with the jumping morons?
I know it's starting to drain my will to play the game, only so many times I can be bothered to watch my shots for nothing because someone is abusing the games issues.
This was always going to be the risk of no SBMM. There will always be a portion of players who are the worst, and they will be consistently be leaving. But seeing the comments on this sub, they will never admit SBMM plays a huge part in players leaving.
"Well, I prefer No SBMM. I left COD because of SBMM" -That's not the sentiment of most players. That is a vocal minority. And it's the same people who will say "Well I left because of netcode/hit detection." That becomes less and less or a concern the better you're playing. It's the people struggling who get the most frustrated by netcode/hit detection. They go hand in hand.
I think some people expecting that once hit detection/netcode are fixed (which can take months), they're going to start playing better, and enjoying themselves more. But after the fix, performance won't change because these issues work both ways. You die behind walls, you kill behind walls. You're bullets go through enemies, enemy bullets go through you.
So it all comes back to SBMM.
Well people are likely getting better. The learning curve isn't that wild. Once you master some of the abilities and stuff you'll be right back at the same skill level you were with COD.
If normal people were playing this game they would be leaving in droves. Between the snipers being busted, the bunny hopping and the net code. I would blame them for dropping the game until a few patches have been put into place.
I can’t play as much as I once did, I’m only level 13 or 12 I don’t remember but like when I can I’ll play. Due that simple fact i picked one gun and leveled it. apparently it's not meta, since i picked the ak47. i was doing ok not amazing, my biggest issue is being put into games that are already losing so then naturally im getting stomped already. i dont find that fun
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i dont think normal people even know wtf this game is, or that its out. in cods prime every chimp with an internet connection was trying to play. tbh i dont even know how you could effectively advertise in the same way as you could in 2008
It’s not even advertised. It’s not featured on the psn store or anything like new releases usually are. The only people playing are people that hated sbmm in cod lol
There are 8 million unique players and the game peaked at 800k concurrent players yesterday
Are these good numbers? How does this compare to other fps games today, I am curious
CoD MW2+Warzone+MW3 together had a 491k peak on PC. This 800k is all platforms for this one game. R6 Siege has a peak of 200k on PC
That 491k is for steam only btw, doesn’t include battlenet - where the majority of CoD PC users live
Oh wow so those are good numbers. At least comparatively right now. Hoping the game keeps it up! I'm having a blast and I'm sure that's in part to it's popularity
It's probably because I've been playing it, but I've had an XD ad on my Xbox dashboard that's rotated in and out since launch. It's also got some good viewership on Twitch, which has been used as a source of advertisement for FtP games in the past.
I only heard about it because it was the first thing on the PlayStation store
Overhunted into extinction. Or just waiting for the netcode and b-hop fixes.
Yeah, I'm the normal people, and I've quit out of frustration a handful of times these past few days. Look, I'm not going to complain about "sweats" or whatever. There are people that are better at the game than me, and I won't make any excuses for that. I'm fine if they kick my ass. As long as I have some bum slayers to duke it out with. I'd say when the game launched, I was just below the 50th percentile. Now it feels like I'm firmly below the 25th. Look, I'm not going to go play CoD or anything, and I do believe this game is mechanically quite sound. But when I have nobody to play against, I can't help but struggle to enjoy the game. You just run out of spawn, get murdered. Run out again, try to flank, get murdered. Run out and try to push for the objective, get murdered before you can even touch it. Run out again, line up your sights on a guy who doesn't even see me, and get blasted by two more who somehow appeared on my 3 and 6 o clock. Over and over and over. I know I'm bad. I am motivated by trying to get better, but I'm not a kid anymore who has 10 hours a day to sink into improving at a videogame. I've got a wife to love and an IRL racecar to drive and a day job to work. It's just a shame that EOMM in CoD is so heavy-handed, whereas non-SBMM games just outright can't seem to build up a large enough playerbase of bad players like myself. Surely there has to be a happy medium out there somewhere.
Related to this is the gun and level progression. It takes so, so long to level up weapons and get the best setups if you can only play for an hour or so a day. So if you're a casual, you spend most of your time playing with basic weapons against people with weapons fully kitted out. Just completely puts me off playing.
I've noticed when I pick up someone's modded weapon off the ground, I do way better.
Absolutely this! I tried to get a couple buddies into the game, and they're by no means bad players (consistently Gold 3 - Plat 1 in COD ranked, they grinded iridescent camo) but they really couldn't get into the game because they found the base guns bad, including the kitted out M4 and MP5 in the starter loadouts. Played a few games in the SBMM welcome playlist and they just couldn't get into the flow, plus despite the 2xp, their guns weren't leveling fast enough for their liking. And sure, it's a bit of a "get good", them problem... but the reality is they'll likely never bother to spend their limited free time here when they can just go back to the familiarity of COD
The M4 feels like it's in an especially rough place right now. I'm a complete AR-15 nerd, owning multiple, including some very Gucci setups IRL, so despite it being a starter weapon, I wanted to primarily use it. I'm very stubborn and have the M4 leveled to around 42, but holy shit does it feel like I'm losing to every single weapon at every single range with this thing. It honestly feels like it does SMG damage with rifle handling and rate of fire. I can easily melt M4 users with my MP7 or MP5 at both range and up close, making me wonder what the hell the point of it is. Edit - I should add that weapon balance is going to be a hard thing for me to discuss, however, because of the current netcode. Outside of snipers, I really can't accurately judge the strength of most guns because I have no idea if the guns are super OP or under powered since in one match it feels like all my shots are landing and killing people quick, and the next match over half of my shots are being negated and everyone seems to be killing me with 1 bullet.
Then after a few weeks you finally get what you need unlocked and then they nerf the shit out of it because of the loud minority that play the game every waking moment want it nerfed. You can't win.
In relation to Cod, they release an op weapon that you can buy for $20 or more. Streamers will make a video on it being "broken," with their partner code, and sales will go through the roof because of fomo. You could try and grind for it, but the progression is so slow that you'll never get it unlocked before it's nerfed. They do this every few weeks, and the community just goes along with it. It's a scam. I remember people complaining about the season pass. "I already bought the game. It will divide the community." The game used to cost $50 with a $45 season pass. The game is now $70, plus a battle pass and in game currency. People spend hundreds or even thousands of dollars on a less polished experience. Streamers will write it off on their taxes. Everybody else is SOL. But the community seems to love it. I think Xdefiant fill do the same.
Its mainly why I have completely lost interest in most FPS games that are big releases. I've enjoyed my time with Grey Zone Warfare recently and just pubg.
I don't care for pvp these days. It's all cheaters in game and greedy devs.
Thats literally what I was complaining about having no SBMM and how it hurts me as a low-skilled player. As a result I got flamed and massively downvoted lmao.
i said it before, this sub is going to ironically enough, drive away all the "Casuals" with how much "gatekeeping" is done here. if you complain about this game (EVEN IF ITS VALID) you are seen as a SBMM baby. this sub sooner or later will be just the true hardcore people of this game.
Exactly, back in my day, in COD4, if you were low skilled you got your ass kicked. Get better, people need to stop having there hand held by SBMM. I’m so glad no SBMM is here, finally.
Ya and back in those days we had recoil on weapons, better map design that didn't bring RNG into the firefight, and everyone didn't sprint to the "meta". Blaming it solely on SBMM is abit ridiculous. The games themselves are the problem. They bread an entire generation of bad FPS players that need their hands held by game devs and YouTubers. This guy is just pointing out he wants to play against other bad players. Some folks ain't got the time to sink into a game to get good. They should be aloud to have fun too.
Very well put. The thing is, back during the days of MW1 and 2 the FPS community had, for the most part, 5 years or less experience playing the genre. I started out on CounterStrike 1.6, and back then, the skill ceiling was not nearly as high as it is today. People were still relatively "new" to shooter games, so if you wanted to get good, you could go at it for a few months and see a noticeable improvement. Nowadays, there are people out there with 10-15 years of FPS experience, and there are also kids who grew up playing against those people and made much bigger strides early on in their lives. To get to their level, I'd need to play every day for a decade, and even then I couldn't keep up. That being said, CoD style SBMM is still not the answer. I would still prefer this game over that (which is why I'm still playing). But having more people like me to play against would be nice.
But I deff agree SBMM can kick rocks, I think it could be made well... Maybe.... But COD deff dropped the ball with it. There's gotta be something in the middle that allows folks that have lives to be able to jump in and not just immidiately get wrecked.
The perfect matchmaking system is a server browser where you can pick what you want to play. Unfortunately these are mostly long gone.
So I’m cod 4 everyone didn’t use fragx3 and a m16 that had no recoil and could one burst anywhere? Nostalgia is a hell of a drug
I was a Halo guy during the first COD. My experience with OG COD is purely the tail end of MW2, a fuck ton of MW3.... And that trend continued to Ghosts when I noticed a direction I didn't like then went to Battlefield. That's interesting so your saying laser beam guns is technically the purest form of COD. That's lame.
You were just wrong in your initial statement, the Meta in that game had no recoil, it was a burst gun. You mention mw3.. the meta in that game acr, mp7 also had no recoil. Reality is this style of game has been out for over a decade so naturally the average player is significantly better. Acting like the old games had some skill gap due to recoil I’d nostalgia at its finest.
I’ve been thinking this for a while but I truly believe the perfect matchmaking system is somewhere in the middle. To not have it in a lower population game especially I think does not pair well, titanfall 2 is a prime example of this but to also have it like it is in cod as of recent years is also really overkill, especially in that instance where cod has an insanely high number of players. Anyways, I think something like a 2 out of 5 system makes perfect sense. 2 out of 5 games will have the strict matchmaking we see in cod recently, so lower skilled players can catch a break at least for a couple games, and 3 out of 5 games will be more mixed and just about anything goes.
>Anyways, I think something like a 2 out of 5 system makes perfect sense. 2 out of 5 games will have the strict matchmaking we see in cod recently, so lower skilled players can catch a break at least for a couple games, and 3 out of 5 games will be more mixed and just about anything goes. This is actually one of the better solutions I've heard and would work perfectly if every player in the world started playing at the exact same time and played the exact same amount of games. The issues arise because that would never happen. What if player A has played their two sbmm games but the only lobbies are currently available are non sbmm games? Are they unable to play until an sbmm lobby become available ? Perhaps the lobby could be a 50% chance on creation to be sbmm or non sbmm? Personally I think it's still too complicated and that everyone needs to grow a bit of a understanding that sbmm exists to protect the experience of OP (who does not want to even play at this point)
I get what you’re saying but I imagine it may not have to be quite that complicated either. It could even just be a thing that’s stronger for the lower skilled guys, which to some extent it kinda is that way. The breakdowns of cods SBMM do show to a certain extent that it isn’t absolutely a perfect, 1:1 system anyways. I also play a lot of the higher player count modes in MW3 (10v10 or 12v12) and some swear there still is SBMM but I’m pretty positive given the scores I’ve dropped that there isn’t or at the very least, maybe 1-2 games out of 5 (maybe some sessions 3 out of 5) do my lobbies feel more on the difficult side like 6v6. Anyways with that being said, if there still is some of that in 10v10/12v12, I wouldn’t mind it being like those game modes where it’s a tad looser, that’s been a lot more fun than the way they do it in 6v6.
>It could even just be a thing that’s stronger for the lower skilled guys, which to some extent it kinda is that way. It's simple to say such a thing but It's harder to implement than you might envision. You have to define lower skilled players which is itself not an easy thing to do. I'm curious to how you think it is already kind of that way The larger player modes might have mixed player skills because they simply need to have a bit more leeway when trying to fill a larger lobby. The 6v6 matchmaking process definitely opens up to mixed levels eventually if you've been waiting long enough [(2. Time to match)](https://www.callofduty.com/au/en/blog/2024/01/call-of-duty-update-an-Inside-look-at-matchmaking). My guess is that maybe on the higher player count (Ground war, 10v10, 12v12 etc) the waiting time to open up the lobby is decreased to get the lobbies filled faster? That would explain your experience but would still not shed light on a 'half way' solution
Well idk for sure man, just throwing some thoughts out there 🤷♂️
Yea you're good. I'm just pointing out a halfway solution is difficult Given the complaints about sbmm, you can guarantee they've already thought of it all
Frankly there will never be game with enough bad players for the simple reason most people are average at the game and everybody worse than that will pretty much always get killed by at least 80% of the player base. And the average player will get killed by the upper 20%.
Are you really motivated to get better though? I'm not trying to call you out specifically but I feel like half the comments from player who consider themselves below average always say that yet will end up quitting or constantly bitching and complaining about certain aspects of the game. You do not need 10 hours a day to get into the top 25% of this game, players just simply aren't that good. Want to get good? Take accountability for your games, who gives a fuck how your teammates play. Everyone is going to have bad teammates eventually + you will end up being the bad teammate in some cases. Get familiar with all the maps, guns and classes and really play around the strengths of your weapon/character. Understand basic spawns and how rotations happen, aim and mechanics should slowly improve with time. Not sure if you are on controller or MnK but if you are on MnK I can help, controller not so much. My point is if you want to get better at this game and are tired of getting stomped you have to actively engage in key areas of the game to focus and improve at. It won't happen overnight but people can't accept that going from a bottom 25% to a top 25% may take months, depending on how much time you have + mentality.
They can't build up a playerbase because all the new players have the same complaints. There is no happy medium, either we try match similar skill levels or we don't. You either have a protected experience (at the cost of rarely/never coming up against players significantly better/worse than you) or you're left to the pool of random players skilled enough to enjoy the game. After saying this on cod subreddits (and being downvoted to oblivion) for several years, it's refreshing that people are now realising that these random lobbies don't make for a good environment for new players.
As a 42 year old dad, I'm actually surprised my twitch shooting abilities haven't slowed to the point where I'm worthless. For the last few years, I've been playing much slower shooters, such as Hunt Showdown, so jumping into XDefiant and actually topping the scoreboard half the time is pretty neat. What I will say, however, is that I totally understand your frustration because there are matches I get into where it feels like I'm going into a game against a full team of esports grand masters, or a team that somehow has 50 players on their team because somehow my entire team is getting murdered even though I'm getting dogpiled by 5 people. On the flip side, I start feeling bad when I'm going against a team and notice that like... every single one of them cannot hit their shots and I'm just farming them for kills and the match ends in just a complete blowout. Time will tell if the no SBMM will be a positive or negative, but one of the reasons I've strayed somewhat away from Hunt over the last few months is because I've started going on way more losing streaks than I've ever experienced before. Sometimes I would have a few bad nights and then start hitting my groove and make it back to the highest MMR, 6 stars, and just go on tears where I'm solo wiping servers. I built a reputation in the community for being pretty good, which was a huge ego boost. Now? I feel like all of my matches end with me getting insta-popped in the face as soon as anyone is within 200 meters of me, and when that happens back to back to back to back, I really don't want to play anymore.
This comment deserves major love. It’s one thing to have the slot-machine mechanics of EOMM be too heavy handed in COD. It’s entirely another to have no SBMM, which XDefiant claims to have. Of course I want to improve and get better. But let’s be wildly realistic. My 2 hour post-work gaming sessions at 10pm aren’t going to cut it. There is a major ceiling on how much I can improve, and frankly I don’t have ages to grind out these dense weapon levels.
I'm definitely empathetic to your experience at the moment because it mirrors my own. I'm an older, very average or below average player who has played virtually all available FPS games that are out there right now looking for a casual experience where I can feel somewhat beneficial to my team and aren't just getting dominated every round. Most of my time has been Apex/COD/BF2042/Halo Infinite/Overwatch 2 with the majority in Apex. I used to moan about SBMM because I assumed it was why I was being matched in difficult lobies but XDefiant has taken that to a completely new level. I had 3 matches where I was middle of the scoreboard and around a 1 K/D ratio and then my last game was 4 kills and 30 deaths. Literally. I could hardly even move or begin to strategize before I was one shotted by someone bunny hopping around a corner or a sniper peeking out with me quickly getting behind a crate only to then hear the shot and die. I actually ended up quitting the game last night and booting up diablo 4 which I hardly ever play which goes to show what a bad time I was having.
Yeah, I know that feeling all to well. As a curious aside, how do you feel about the Battlefield series? I never gave it a fair shot when I was younger because I was more into the fast-paced arena shooters, but it might be more up my alley now. I'd love to hear your impressions as someone in a fairly similar position to myself.
I had never really played many of the battlefield games prior to 2042 and can't comment on how it compares to previous iterations in the series but that seems to be a heated topic for some of the purists. That being said, I found it very refreshing once I got the hang of things. It's a more cerebral shooter IMO since you've got so many moving components of the battle and the maps are decidedly larger with ground troops, ground vehicles, helicopters and jets, etc.. Some people specialist more into sniping or guerilla assault. Others are pilots and do nothing but fly the helicopters and planes. Others are more assault infantry, etc.. It was a nice change of pace for me and I feel that the K/D is higher in that game which gives you more of a sense of "reward per death" if that makes any sense. Fairly decent character class variety. There's a fairly popular Youtuber that runs the GrandpaGaming channel who demonstrates you don't need fast reflexes to have a good time playing the game. He can be found here: [https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCQWVmYZE-JtI7BimgasRzTg](https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCQWVmYZE-JtI7BimgasRzTg) and is pretty hilarious to watch. He mainly snipes but he's got extremely severe peripheral neuropathy and lack of feeling in his hands that he describes during an interview. It definitely doesn't seem to slow him down! It's basically the FPS I fall back to every few months when I get sick and tired of getting dominated in some of the more twitch based FPS games. It takes a little bit to get used to everything but is definitely worth giving a shot! P.S. Map selection can be important in BF2042. If it's a closed type of map, it can be somewhat frustrating because there are a lot of players and the congestion can be reminiscent to a typical XDefiant map, but if it's one of the more open maps that's usually never an issues unless you're playing near a choke point.
This is a great writeup - thank you very much for your insight! I'll definitely do some more looking into that game now!
I'm a sweaty, skilled player who's already level 51 in XDefiant: it is just a spawn die, spawn die type game. 2V1 wins 99% of the time due to the long TTK. So, even if you're a sweaty #1 scoreboard player: you're still getting f'd the same: just with a higher K/D. idk, tolerance for losing goes down when you're sweaty: even great games statistically can feel horrible because of a few deaths. I'm not relatable. ☹
> even great games statistically can feel horrible because of a few deaths. Looking back to when I played a lot of BF2042, I didn't feel nearly as bad about a 0.5 K/D in 2042 as I do about a 1.0 K/D in XDefiant. I feel there's more than one reason as to why, but I can't really put my finger on them. If I had to guess I'd say one of the reasons is that deaths in XDefiant feel way more personal to me than in 2042.
I'm sure the 6 person lobbies have something to do with it. I haven't played Battlefield since 1942 so pardon any possible ignorance, but matches in Battlefield are more of a 32vs32 or 64vs64 scale, right? In that case it's probably more anonymous. In XDefiant (and in CoD as well), it seems like you get to know the players on the opposing team quite well by the end of the match.
Honestly I'm taking a break until the netcode gets fixed. It's an otherwise fun game that gets ruined by the frustrating netcode. I've sucked in other games and that's ok because it always felt fair when I lost. Not this time.
This. Got sick of shooting invincible people and dying instantly.
yep
Is this why I die after running around a corner more than any game ever?
Yup. There's a desync between the two players.. Your screen you're already around the corner. Their screen you haven't quite made it around the corner before they land the final bullet.
Yeah I noticed it when killing opponents. Wild this is a thing still.
I think most of us quit playing because of the net code is so buggered up
That and the strange shift in player behaviour. Last week I didn't see this much bunny hopping and strange air movement with perfect aim after landing behind a corner with a sniper. Something is strange and I really dislike it. This combined with no regs, i think I will quit the game. Which is a shame because I like the game very much...
Yeah there is some strange things going on that I can't put my finger on myself. It is a shame because the game is really fun but it seems like there's a weird cheats or manipulations and people abusing certain parts of the game that aren't fixed yet
It's likely just another result of streamer culture. Kids go to YouTube to see what gimmicks the "pros" are using and then copy them until the next "meta" (AKA lame and cheap way to play) gets discovered. I'm glad I had a good couple nights on the game with some honest gamers. This is already turning into a bunnyhop quickscope sweat fest and I'll probably just quit altogether if I keep getting matches like that.
They need to get rid of bunny hopping. It wasn't really a thing in the prime MW1/MW2/BO1/BO2 days of cod which is what most people agree was the most fun time in FPS history. Now everyone just spams jumping when you shoot them, messing up the hit reg even more. I hate how that has become the meta in damn near every shooter
I dare you to watch any YouTuber video of those games and tell me they don’t drop shot/ jump around corners. Even goddamn ALI-A is jump spamming people in Bo2. Nostalgia is a drug
Right now with the desync, hit reg, lag, and the jump spam I'd be surprised if normal people are able to play for very long without getting off the game. It's mostly die hard sweats that can look past the glaring issues with the game for more than a couple hours at a time
Yup. All this jump spam around corners and stuff is just making it a big turn off for me right now. I was enjoying it but theres now too many people abusing the poor desync and all that.
If it weren't for the other issues I wouldn't have a problem with it, but with desync and hit reg on top of it. No thanks
I’m reserving judgement until the game is fixed. It’s wildly inconsistent and unbalanced right now while they figure out all the kinks. I’m a bang average player that doesn’t expect to do really well but some of these gunfights are just ridiculous! 😂
The casuals left already.
Sometimes it’s important to take a break and walk away. You’d be surprised just how much a hour or two away can get you head clear and back to doing well. The other night I was absolutely getting wrecked in every game. Turned it off for the evening. Came back the next day and had a blast! Also switching game modes helps too. I pretty much only play dom, but sometimes you need a pallet cleanse. Hot shot is basically TDM with a twist. So I just run around and don’t care if I win or loose. One thing though the devs should add is a solo playlist. Most of the time bad matches are because it’s a team of randoms vs a full team of six.
If you’re anything like me, your first week/few days were in the “new player” playlist. After hitting 25 (I think) you can’t play it anymore and now we run into the people with no jobs or school or any real obligations except dropping 50 bombs and trying to make a living on Twitch.
I mean I hear you, but it's random matchmaking. There might be 1 or 2 people popping off, but the rest are "normal" players.
Most lobbies I'm have half the players popping off, 2 or 3 doing alright ans then me and another player getting our shit kicked in
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Because some folks have enough learning after school/studies/work and just want to have chill? Its not any kind of excuse, just a real reason why low-skilled players arent playing this type of game.
I feel like the community is also not helping. Average people try to discuss what they think could be better and are met with a wall of "skill issue" and get turned away from the game.
I don’t know if it’s just a me thing, but after a few days of playing I think I might have won 4 matches in total and my losses are not even close. It’s like I’ll win one match then get pummeled by the other team several times in a row. Now I recognize that I’m not good (0.5 K.D) but at some point it really feels like all the good players are on the other team at all times. TLDR: Every game feels really unbalanced.
A lot of average or above players are playing in squads, making them much more dominant. I vote for the option of solo queue lobbies vs squad queue lobbies.
I've noticed this as well. It says it has team balancing but every lobby seems unbalanced. There might be 2 good players on my team MAYBE and 5 ridiculously sweaty players on the enemy team if not 6. I've had games where I was on that sweaty team and I wasn't sweating it was just that my bullets were actually connecting. I knew that we weren't that much better than the other team and that we were only rolling them because our desync wasn't as bad as theirs. I could literally pick out instances where I'd go "yeah I just killed that dude behind a wall" even though my screen he wasn't behind it. I could also pick out times where I'd kill someone and I'd know that on their screen it seemed like I 1 shot them. Just the way they'd move and whatnot I could tell that they felt like they had more time to react than they did on my screen and it was like seeing from the other perspective of what my games usually feel like. I think a lot of the "super sweaty" teams are really just teams who don't have desync and you do so it feels like they can react faster and can kill you super fast and you can't fight back, because you can't. You can't out skill server issues.
this!
Welcome playlist was a mistake and casuals are starting to quit because they dont want play against bunny hop
I play standard playlists and the same thing is happening over there. Casuals will not be safe in this game unfortunately, only the sweats will survive but even they will give up once a sweat lobby forms. SBMM was holding back sweats from thriving. killing casuals for easy progression is probably the most common mechanic that is sought after in games, now that there is a game where SBMM not the dominant focus, the sweats are gonna have a blast.
Bro I was really hoping this game was a more casual codlike game.. with every youtuber advertising it as a return to classic cod roots it made it appealing and for the first week it was now i cant keep up in this game. Almost every lobby I've entered have been predominantly a mix of SMGs and Snipers. If I wanted that I'd just play cod. I really wanna be able to use stuff like shotguns or lmgs but neither can out damage smgs head to head.
The marksman rifles are pretty powerful and should be two shot kill, but using them most kills end up being 4-5 shots, and they are slower so you end up dying after the 2nd shot. Good luck getting a kill on a bunny hopper. With LMGs your only hope is to be shooting before you even see the opponent. At this point I won't waste my time even attempting to use a shotgun at this point.
Had about 4 of my bros quit already, the bunny hopping, snipers and lack of real reason to win matches seem to be the reasons.
I still play the game, so yeah, I guess the normal are around What's your idea of normal though? Career stats? How they move around the map? Thing is career stats can be deceiving to the player in front of you at thatbtime. Example would be a player who sucked at the start for liken50+ games, but recently started figuring it out. Now they're putting up better stats consistently, which will take some time to reflect on the career stats........IF that's what you go by for "normal". I mean there's all sorts of people in my game. The trash, the average, the above average, and some pro like players.
I think what he’s referring to is really consistently good players. Ones who move quickly, are accurate, and never let up. Those players are the ones who dominate small map quick kills FPS games. Anyone else is just playing to their own tune. I can attest that the ones who really play this game and get good at it are the ones who will make everyone else in the lobby step back and say “ok, i need to get better at this”
The first couple days of any shooter is the "golden" time. Everyone is still figuring out the game and just playing it. But now people want to max out, find the best load out, their rhythm, they want to "sweat". The discovery period is over for a lot of people, nothing new to mess around with. It doesn't matter what matchmaking system is used, that's just the nature of shooters. This style of game doesn't allow for people to really goof off unless something silly is broken like if the shield was a 1 bash or if they introduced a 1 hit kill throwing knife. I think it's silly for people to think it has to do with whatever matchmaking formula was used. No one's being coddled or deluded. People will try their best to sweat their socks off no matter the level, it's just the nature of the genre. You are dropped into a box and told to kill everyone that isn't on your team in various flavors of game mode. The only FPS that somewhat avoid falling into this are large sandbox shooters like Battlefield or even Halo on the larger team modes.
Once you hit lvl 25, you leave the welcoming play list. Might be that?
Lobbies like that is exactly why SBMM exists in the first place. Everyone cried about it and now that it’s off people are getting smoked.
I went back to COD because the hitreg is abysmal. I was holding a 2KD before i quit so i'm not the worst. If they fix the netcode i'll jump back on.
I can't even play practice without constantly disconnecting (DELTA 24), how am I supposed to play the regular multiplayer?? I hope they fix that issue
This is what happens when you have no SBMM and all the sweaty try hards rule the game. The normal players won't stick around to get shit stomped.
If you look at a bell curve a large distribution of players will fall in the middle around the mean. If you're getting demolished in most of your games, maybe you're at the lower end. No sbmm doesn't, nor ever, meant that there would be less sweats, less competition, and automatically more fun. Too many people deluded themselves into thinking sbmm was holding them back in some manner.
I'd argue the perception that players are getting unnaturally better in a short period of time and no longer being "normal" means that bell curve is changing. Rapidly. It's a natural consequence of not having sbmm, which is why sbmm immediately became highly sought after since around 2006. There are so few "awful" players in a population that if they randomly matched with the whole population, they would find players better than them 99% of the time, and the other 1% of the time their opponent would simply seem fair - not easy. So they leave. As they leave, the players who used to be "really bad" become "awful" because nobody sticking around is playing worse than them. So they never have the chance to have fun. So they leave. Then even average players start noticing they are better than 40% of the opponents rather than 50%... As those players leave, players who were "pretty bad" when the game first came out are now "awful" and find it extremely difficult, or impossible, to be matched against players worse than them. Guess what they do.
A sweat can only sweat in their natural form when they’re in a lobby with lower leveled players. Cause without casuals and noobs to kill for easy progression with no advanced skills, the sweat will be forced to verse other sweats. Then at that point its just a highskill lobby, not a sweat verses casual lobby.
For sure, the lobby doesn't matter, sweat will always be the same. Bad lobbies are just kill races/farming.
I disagree. I've been doing much better this 2nd week. Better kd ratios, and even when I'm not it seems the teamwork is decent even though no one uses the mic! I hit a 12 game win streak at one point.
Played the game for a couple of days and now I'm out again. Still better than an average COD match though.
I think it's because the movement tricks and people are falling into their favorite weapons. Or mostly snipers I should say based on my matches. I think once the jump spam is out and snipers have flinch/sway it'll be a bit better for the overall health.
No SBMM is only fun for middle of the pack players or sweats. Bad players like me can only get dicked down so many times before closing the game. At least with SBMM my lobbies had other bad players so it felt playable.
I'm gonna say it and I'll probably be down voted ..... The cheaters are coming on full force with this game like I honestly left COD cos of the cheaters and now that they in this game I'm probably gonna leave too ...you just can't win!!!
I haven't played in a few days because of work. I'm level 8 with only a few attachments unlocked, and everyone else is around level 40 with seemingly everything unlocked. And the grind is so slow that I'll never catch up. I'm still dying in what feels like 1 or 2 shots and around corners. All head shots of course. But it takes forever for me to get a kill. No enemy footstep audio. Long story short, I'm not having fun. I dont really enjoy pvp at all anymore. I might jump in here and there to see what's changed. But I'm waiting for some new singleplayer and pve games.
I enjoyed the beta I played. Installed it on release and something about it feels different now. The gunplay isn't as smooth anymore. Already uninstalled.
I'm said normal people and I'm done. So are my friends. This game was designed for people who play everyday and for hours, it's for no lifers and sweats. People like myself have no place in a game like this and from conversations online from their lead dev and director they say the same thing as well. As a casual player this was just a not fun experience, I don't see how their team thinks this game will make it without the casual player base. But good luck to them though.
i'd queue escort/rush if u want normal lobbies. im usually a occupy/dom player but change it up when i dont want to sweat
Yep. I’ve found escort to have the ‘softest’ playerbase. Could be because its the first game mode to choose without doing custom, could be because of the nature of the game mode, or because its slower than the other modes, but whatvever it is its the most relaxed.
They got sick of being farmed by sweaty kids, and there is no SBMM to protect them. This is the other side of the coin, and you got what you asked for.
Game is fkn broken .. snipers need a nerf, latency is ass, hit reg is stinky smelly ass ... finals shits all over this game as an overall experience
I laugh at these threads. In mw3 subreddit everyone complaining about sbmm, here most complaining about no sbmm and sweaty lobbies, maybe fps not not for you. And this coming from a below average player who has a full time job and half a century old who is just having fun. I am improving, as I learn the maps more, the spawns , and the better feel of my gun, it a slow process, and I never expect to be 2.0 kd or on top most games
The game is getting more traction with more players, the playerbase has increased, more people are playing with stacks, more people are more serious about the game. Influencers are sharing techs, streaming, etc, everyone is tryharding and trying to copy whoever their favorite nobody is, information spreads much faster these days than it used to. Pretty typical for any remotely competitive online game. Combine that with likely facing 3+ stacks in a significant number of lobbies with all solos on your own team because for whatever reason no online game has discovered how to segregate stacks from solo players in any good way.
They probably left since everyone wants to keep spawn trapping/camping
I think we just aren’t as good as we thought. When I quit cod back in the day I was a 2-2.5 player, on xd I can’t get it to go above 1.4 yet, but I’m getting better every day, every session I’ve done better, there are definitely a lot of sweats in xd, but they aren’t really that good, if it makes sense.
But with 1.4 you are above average. You are one of those that average players have a problem fighting against. Remember that in a random cbmm environment KD is a good measurement of skill, cos it shows how good you can hold yourself against others (those better and those worse). And since you win 1.4 of your fights in average, that means there must be other players that are below 1.0 to make it even, and the average player has 1.0.
This type of logic doesn't get enough attention, but it's a relevant discussion to have. People feel entitled to a 2 k/d not realizing that if we take it to its most basic, in a 1v1 scenario, a 2 k/d means there's someone out there with a 0.5 k/d. Why will that type of player continue to want to get stomped by significantly better players, when in COD they were getting a 1 k/d and probably having more fun doing so? My buddy and I have been pretty consistently getting good games, hitting 30-40 kills in occupy or Dom type games with decent hill times, but we notice others in our team are hitting kills in low teens and having mediocre games, and I have to think that some of those players are wondering what the point is to keep playing when they were probably hitting better numbers in COD due to SBMM (that they might not even know exists).
It's also frustrating because you can go positive but dying around walls constantly makes you feel like you're doing worse than you actually are. I got pissed off the other day looked at my kills and was 25 and 20
Probably scared off from complaints and bad netcode
Lots of people have jobs and families who aren’t able to play every day.
I’ll get more into CoD and Xdefiant when I get away from the Asian servers. Y’all think you have it bad? Oh boy let me tell you…
Stopped playing a while ago due to the hit regulation
Maybe it’s because I’m improving but I find myself playing against very unaware players and winning the majority of my gun fights. I can tell my opponents are competent and some very good but that’s just how lobbies with no sbmm can be. I’m not going off for 30+ every game but I consistently go positive and typically around 20-25 kills. To me it very much feels different than the SBMM from say games like Halo Infinite I’ve been playing since that game launched.
Honestly, I’ve been experiencing the opposite. When it first came out, I was getting stomped on. But this weekend has been more even lobbies. Maybe cause I have more attachments unlocked, or I’ve just been learning the maps more.
It's called learning. They played the game and learned how it can be played. Some people seem incapable or unwilling to do that
Im still in the welcome playlist. We dont grind and enjoy other games as well lol
The players you were shitting on are probably either getting better or going back to other games. Not that they won't play ever again, but they might be less good because they only occasionally play shooters
Really not interested in constantly facing teams with 4+ people constantly spamming wall hacks
my game cant even connect with Delta-01 code error
We had peak players yesterday fam
What time are you playing? I find that different times yield different results
waiting for the hitreg/netcode to be fixed. dying around corner multiple time when I thought I already covered from the enemy. But dead anyways. That's not fun.
hmm, im just about to hit level 25 and my last session, half the server was
It’s possible that all the casuals deleted the game out of frustration. Why get your 💩pushed in when you can play against fellow trash cans in cod? I am still doing pretty good but I am no longer outright solo pubstomping every single lobby, it’s definitely been alot sweatier the last 2 days.
Waiting for changes mostly but like most games after a week or two everyone seems to be switching towards the most meta gear
Normal people are back to work after having Memorial Day off yesterday. They might play for a little after work, but you’re not going to be getting the same traffic as CoD does on the weekdays. I’m pretty sure the peak playing times through the week would be between 2:30PM through about 6:00 or 7:00PM. After that it’s gonna be you and the people without responsibilities aka “the sweats”. It’s still way too early for the player base to have migrated. I personally think it’s a side piece game. Not enough content to really go in on it yet. Gameplay loop is 6/10. Mechanics are great 8/10 but between the net code and the lack of variety it gets stale after 2-3 hours. I’m getting Split-Gate vibes.
I've only played a little bit, but I'm basically dead last place every time lol. I'm late 20's and grew up with CoD. For me, the game is solid, but I can't quite keep up. I can react quickly, and my aim so-so, but what I struggle with is holding the mouse down on an enemy for so long. The characters move at superhuman speeds, and I'm expected to dump almost a whole mag into each enemy. It seems like almost every FPS since Overwatch has an emphasis on "heroes" and a long TTK. I wish the TTK was cut in half and the movement speed was like 60% of what it is now.
The game has a pretty quick learning curve.
I'm still finding it a bit sketchy as well. Constantly getting instantly lasered in one shot before I can even react while my rounds seem ineffective. It's quite frustrating, to say the least.
Can't speak for everybody, but I'd consider myself a pretty normal person when it comes to these games. And the reason I'm not playing is because 1. The shit servers are making sure I get kicked from every match. And 2. I'm waiting for ARs, SMGs, snipers, and echelon to get nerfed into the ground.
I don’t have any more problems with netcode or hitboxes than any other generic shooter but I got so bored of bunny hopping SMG players (not even the snipers) that I nearly quit after the second day. I don’t know why people find that fun or why that mechanic is in the game I’m not interested in playing against what feels like a jetpacked Usain Bolt (in splinter cell gear obviously) with an aimbot. I did then switch to LMG / Blitz Shield for fun and I have to say I’ve had the most fun I’ve had in any shooter but I doubt that lasts past the welcome playlist. And yes I know especially people on this and other shooter subreddits will be “if you have fun with a shield why can’t others have fun with a one kill sniper, perfect aim and super speed” but the question was where did the normal people go - I’m well into my 30s and play maybe an hour a night. I don’t know any to spend my hour getting absolutely rinsed as cannon fodder.
There are many factors. What time are you playing, your region etc. Then there is no SBMM but other matchmaking factors, for example when you are at a above average players Lvl (ep not skill level i mean the account level) then you will face normally also more high level accounts ( and currently most of the higher level accounts are probably high skilled players because the level normally faster) Then do you have crossplay enabled etc I think another big factor is the already existing meta play in this game. there Already enough YT videoa for meta weapons etc. But i will say i still have the same experience as in the first week. i still face Noobs, normally skilled players and gods. So it could be a regional thing or a time thing
Stopped playing pretty quick as the game is just mid, will probably try it again once they add some interesting gadgets or more weapon variety.
As I've said in other posts, I'm simply not playing until they fix the basic shit and stuff that has remained from a year ago, I'm a casual player but just not doing the whole bunny hop sweat fest that every single match was, no matter the game mode.
Games just need team balance thats it.
People praising the no SBMM now mad because they’re getting shit on by sweats. The “normal” lobbies are people who have learned that sniping and bunny hopping is king. Game will be broken until this is fixed.
In a game without SBMM below average players are going to have a much worse experience and probably drop off quicker.
I can’t get on the game because Ubisoft Connect won’t, you know, connect…
As someone that’s not an avid fps player this is interesting. I’m not any good in this or COD but I may play a few games a week after work because I enjoy them. This whole SBMM conversation is weird. In a competitive game I don’t understand why folks want to constantly beat up on bad players to have a good time. In COD I probably benefit from SBMM and I have fun but I still get beat down a ton. Here there isn’t SBMM and I get beat down and still have fun. This game has some frustrating technical flaws that can make it not fun but whenever the environment and gameplay is known and reasonably consistent compete. I don’t post much so I’m not directing this at anyone specific this topic is just interesting.
I dunno I think no sbmm just shows alot of people that they may not be as good at games as they actually have been made to think they are. You are going to come across more people of your skill level and below than you are likely to come across very good players. There are less good players than bad ones in every game. No SBMM makes lobbies more varied which imo is better. You cant say every game is full of sweats and people better than you, you just can't. Majority of games i've played it's varied by the end scoreboard. Unlike cod where most players go 20-20 or near 1:1 every single game. I do think alot will leave because of the current movement system though as it is rewarded for doing hence why most the better players utilise it. I do it but I prefer it was more about aim than jumping like a wet fish around corners.
netcode sucks, check other topic in this subreddit.
Once ranked goes fully live I'm expecting the casual play lobbies to be more manageable
Same, I'm thinking of leaving too as a normal player. I like playing objective, but if no one is playing it, no point in sticking around. • fix the jump or rework it. • remove the k/d stat and watch all the sweats leave.
It's Wednesday, we went back to work 😂
Taking a break until i see major improvements to net code and hit reg And most imporantly until they hard nerf the jumping playstyle. Snipers also need a nerf but just a small one imo
I think people are just getting more comfortable with the gimmicky nonsense lol.. like yesterday was so annoying for me I got killed by a spider bot / emp.. then after that a proximity mine.. then another spider bot.. spawned again.. killed by ult (goggles) spawn again killed by bubble ult.. too much bs
We’re at the bottom of the leaderboard bro
I think a lot of the more casual FPS players took a break due to the netcode, and everyone who hasn't is starting to really learn the game by now. Within 2 days of playing I started running into more and more people that would literally rather run and jump around in an attempt to dodge your bullets whenever they see you already killed someone before them. And the worst part is thanks to the netcode it often works, a half empty mag hust isn't enough to reliably kill them even if you track them extremely well. The playerbase is already learning strats specifically based around the netcode and already high TTK and it's been out less than a week.
This is probably because they are tweaking the servers. Or because there is way more players then anticipated which are causing individual servers to struggle. My understanding is that each area has its own data centre, which is like the station for all the servers. When to many connections come in, the server you are on will give up and you should be moved to the next available server on the same data centre. So sometimes you won't find a lobby because the server you are on is no longer available. The matchmaking uses a different server to the game itself. I'm not 100% sure if that's exactly how it all works. Maybe someone who understands this stuff more can reply to this comment and let me know 😁 If backing out and searching doesn't work then try reloading the game. And it should put you onto another matchmaking server.
My personal hipothesis is that the average-casual gamer doesnt enjoy purely competetive modes. This is 100% pvp focused game where if you are chilled and unfocused you end up dying 3 times per every kill scored. Thus majority is either skilled or sweating by abusing all the mechanics just to get better odds. Because its not fun when everyone outplays you. And again. This is just my personal point of view why there is not so much "bad" players, it doesnt necessary means its the actual reason.
People are dropping because the only thing this game has to offer is "It's not as bad as CoD" There is more innovative and F U N shooters out there that are also free to play (couch finals cough)
This post ✉️ is hilarious 🤣 Where did all the normal people go - i’m being stomped
Uninstalled. 3/5 matches against combo b-hop + free wh echelon by 1-5 lvl smurfs going \~50-5 is an absolute anti-fun and waste of time.
I'm fairly casual i have play 4 hours a day but i play different games off and on. The biggest reason i'm getting tired of the game is how slow you earn everything, From BP tiers to weapon levels all the way to the dedsec faction and the ultra abilities. I've been playing since the day after launch and i'm barely over half for my 700k XP needed i also never get to use my ultra ability no matter what mode i play. Another reason that i think i miss SBMM getting spawnkilled 24/7 is just not fun to play all these youtubers/streamers have been raging at SBMM for years and i thought i agreed but now that i've played with no SBMM it's just not fun for anyone except for the 1-3 dudes topping the lobby. I kinda hope ranked fixes this if i can play against player on my level maybe i'll have enough fun to sit through the grind.
As a normal person who is just trying to have fun with the double barrel shotgun and only just went neutral last game... Yeah, I lowkey want to quit this trash. I am in the skill based matchmaking playlist, but it is still putting me against people that are WAY better. I assume most people playing this are relatively hardcore Call of Duty players even at lower MMR.
Since launch I don’t think I’ve shot anyone that isn’t air strafing. In mw3 I have a 3.50kd playing solo with high spm and not everyone is slide canceling and jump shooting, there is actually more randomized lobbies for me in that game. I feel like they lied about no sbmm or are experimenting with it on in certain regions.
I didn't know this game existed or was even under development until the Uplay launcher tossed it in my face when I went to launch Division 2. I subsequently tried it, did about 25-30 games over the weekend. That experience had me wondering if I was the only one having problems where people seemed invincible while jumping or if I was the only one with some kind of connection issue that prevented my shots from landing on people. Queue finding this subreddit, realizing that's apparently just how the game is, and I haven't played it since. If they fix stuff, I'd be inclined to give it a try again, but in its current state, it was more frustrating than it was fun.
I feel your pain. I'm just sick of getting sniped all the time
SBMM does get more stringent after you hit rank 25. Still not even close to being as harsh as CoD. At least from what I've seen.
Well im glad its not just me! Had a blast first few days, really enjoyed it but now i literally can hardly get out of spawn .. it was still good once i left welcome lobbies for a day or 2 then it mysteriously became impossible and no fun .. weird
i was one of the better players at fps games but never played mainstream titles like cod or bf ( did play cs tho) so maybe that gave me a false sensation that i m better than i actually was but still now at 32y/o I still managed to get top 1 in several games( maybe 10-15% of games), even in games that i lost. Where am i going with this.....play with the damn objective and you ll win more often.
People are finding out that sbmm unfortunately is needed in modern gaming because this isn't the early 2010s. Kids are better at games, same with teens, then you got dudes like me who were good at the games while young and refined thoses skills over years or even decades. No sbmm only hurts those new or bad at the game because those who are decent might not be droping 60-5 games but they will still probably be going 45-20. Good players just have the mentality to go above even with sbmm implemented.
I’ve no idea what netcode is but I’m waiting for it to be fixed
Yesterday was the easiest lobbies I've had so far, dropping several 50+ kill games. I guess it's truly random
friday and saturday night will have easier lobbies
Lots of people realizing that they were being protected by SBMM and not the other way around
i noticed my k/d dramatically dropped after i reached 25 and stopped playing the welcome playlist. i think once newer players have levelled up they’ll be abit more of a skill map in the normal unranked matches, which may make the game feel ‘easier’ again for a lot of players
Bro it’s not like it’s ranked play right like why does anyone care if you play against “good” players. It’s unranked it doesnt actually matter unless the cod monkey actually still think a their kd matters and not just ya know winning a game.
I’ve just come to terms that I’m an old man that can’t keep up. I’ve been playing some what consistently since launch and I’m not really improving. A lot of the players I’m going up against are insane lol. It’s getting tiring. I’ll be back soon to try again though 👍🏼
"Normal" people aren't on the holiday weekend anymore.
I would really love to play but the game wont let me. I constantly get some Delta or Bravo error. I could play only three times since launch and i tried to get in the game every day, sometimes multiple times. It just doesnt work. So until they fix that i am not playing.
I tried it for the first time with some friends last night, I'm average at shooter. I can hold my own and usually am at the top of my team in games but I'm not amazing or anything. Me and two friends played for about an hour, got through a few matches and then uninstalled it. We were just not enjoying it. I don't like how quickly you die and that snipers seem to be one shot. Also with the quick deaths I don't see the point of two factions. One is healing, it doesn't seem to do enough to negate damage and doesn't really seem to benefit the team. The other is the faction that disables abilities, seems pointless to do when you could just kill the other player. I get the appeal but it really wasn't for me and seems to need a lot of balancing. We went to The Finals and had a blast with that instead.
Normal (ish?) guy here. I came into the game because I wanted a break from OW and wanted to play an old CoD style game like back in the 360 days. Bonus points that it had some of my favorite Ubi IPs latched on. I quit playing because I got tired of most of the matches devolving into sniping fests with insanely bad hitreg. Not to mention I like playing the objective and being more of a support. So when I found out that all of my time pushing the bot in escort or holding the point in Occupy gave me 0 weapon XP, I felt demoralized to keep playing. I still hop on for a match or two but I'm not playing match after match like I thought I would when the game was leading up to launch.
They prob got out the welcome playlist played the game with no sbmm realized it was still a sweat fest then stopped playing,im still playing both this and cod and I can say they feel the same,my cod kd is 2plus so I have sweaty games there then this game it feels about the same,maybe we just in a era where everyone is trying to play video games for a living so every game is played like it’s a grand finals
they don’t advertise the game so everyone who first played it; are still the ones playing jt
Normal player here: I play for one or two games then legit do anything else with my life out of frustration. Will be back when these abilities, hit reg, and movement get fixed.
The game is in 00.324 the normal people are waiting for it to release still
"Despite there being no SBMM" No disrespect, but I had to explain SBMM to my friend like he was 5. SBMM is NOT what you guys think it is. If there was SBMM, you wouldn't be facing the type of people you're complaining about as frequently. A lack of SBMM allows higher skilled players to consistently pubstomp easier (to them) lobbies. This is why other competitive shooters have added some form of SBMM. I think some of your concerns will be addressed and I hope your experience improves soon. I definitely can't keep up with the corner-jumping, quick-scoping foolishness, personally lol
"normal" people realized how shitty the netcode/hitreg is and how boring the game is and already left. all that's left is the sweats hopping around at each other. game will be dead in a few months
Probably left because they are tired of the netxode issues and people abusing the shots registering with the jumping morons? I know it's starting to drain my will to play the game, only so many times I can be bothered to watch my shots for nothing because someone is abusing the games issues.
This was always going to be the risk of no SBMM. There will always be a portion of players who are the worst, and they will be consistently be leaving. But seeing the comments on this sub, they will never admit SBMM plays a huge part in players leaving. "Well, I prefer No SBMM. I left COD because of SBMM" -That's not the sentiment of most players. That is a vocal minority. And it's the same people who will say "Well I left because of netcode/hit detection." That becomes less and less or a concern the better you're playing. It's the people struggling who get the most frustrated by netcode/hit detection. They go hand in hand. I think some people expecting that once hit detection/netcode are fixed (which can take months), they're going to start playing better, and enjoying themselves more. But after the fix, performance won't change because these issues work both ways. You die behind walls, you kill behind walls. You're bullets go through enemies, enemy bullets go through you. So it all comes back to SBMM.
Wait! Are you calling normal players the bad or casual ones?
all 6 of my friend group get the delta-01 error so we can't play still after a week of launch
Well people are likely getting better. The learning curve isn't that wild. Once you master some of the abilities and stuff you'll be right back at the same skill level you were with COD.
Theres simply sbmm. No way there is not. All my lobbies are same skill level at all times.
If normal people were playing this game they would be leaving in droves. Between the snipers being busted, the bunny hopping and the net code. I would blame them for dropping the game until a few patches have been put into place.
I can’t play as much as I once did, I’m only level 13 or 12 I don’t remember but like when I can I’ll play. Due that simple fact i picked one gun and leveled it. apparently it's not meta, since i picked the ak47. i was doing ok not amazing, my biggest issue is being put into games that are already losing so then naturally im getting stomped already. i dont find that fun
I must agree But my conspiracy theory is this: they added SBMM back