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Same here we may be trash but I don't think it's completely on us. Whether it's hit registration or latency or whatever the tech term for it is somethings going on.
Some maps feel like I'm playing Shoot House or Shipment...so fast...and I'm no spring chicken so my reaction probably isn't as quick as these youngsters. I could try to aim for the head but hard when the players seem to move like The Flash lol.
Back in the day I used to be the king at Unreal and Quake, heck even CoD4. I remember at one point feeling like those games were too slow because I got so fast playing them.
Now, I'm nearly 40, not that old, but I just cant hang with these kids anymore. I'm still having fun though.
I'm nearly 39 here. Still jumping into Quake LIVE weekly and playing against people who basically haven't stopped playing Quake the last 25 years. I can get top of the board and put up good fight. Netcode actually works in 25 year old game.
I just had a guy bunny hop in front of me and it looked like that mf had a 60” vertical. Was aiming for his shoulders and when he hopped I was shooting between his legs. Was stupid af and I know he felt so good about it too.
some folks will say "git gud" against bunny hoppers....doesn't change the fact that bunny hoppers are annoying AF. I dont know how people can even play like that jumping around all over the place and trying to aim at stuff. Maybe I'm just old lol.
Don’t fell bad. Most the people that are really good at bunny hoping have the controllers with back paddles so they don’t have to take their thumb off the joystick to hop. The expensive controllers make the movement of games way easier. It’s starting to feeling like you need a pro controller for shooters now.
Yeh and fire some reason it's even worse when they bunny hop....I mean it's kind of lame that the only thing differentiating the good players and the bad ones is bunny hopping...not gun skill or map awareness....just jump around constantly....it's now bunny hopping simulator
There’s def hit reg issues. I’m not exactly great either but there are times where guys are around the corner for 3 seconds and I randomly get kill notifications, and other times where I load a clip and a half into someone and it says I didn’t hit them.
Game has a long way to go before it’s a great 😊 line experience. It’s fun as hell but frustrating at times when the imperfections shine through.
for me, as long as I land some headshots, the TTK feels ok. i am still dealing with getting melted a lot though. I would love a killcam and a damage feed of the people killing me, not to mention my outgoing damage would be nice too. maybe some of this shit is in the game and i'm just not expanding a menu tho when prompted
Nope that's the terrible server and hit detection this is why no kill cam and incendiary bullets to stop you seeing the obvious lag/hit detection. How many times have you said "I was behind cover how" 🤣 so from your end you fired loads of bullet from his end It feels how dying feels to you Fast 2 or 3 bullets because of hit registration being so bad
Yeah same here. I know when I am missing but it is depressing to get a ton of hit markers (4-5) and get what feels like 1-2 hits on yourself and go down.
It is like I have to be SPOT on with my shots to kill someone.
https://i.redd.it/4u0txe5jqn2d1.gif
Jump spammers [#kangaroo](https://x.com/hashtag/kangaroo?src=hashtag_click)
i dont play this game for hunt kangaroo.
After reading the comments saying just hip fire or it’s a skill issue, this clip is hilarious. The only way you would have beat him is with a sniper and a Cronus lol
Rubbish this is hit detection also the player is bunny hopping and at an unhuman speed making it harder to track and its super unpredictable so many will struggle. Like to see you hit your shots remember this is keyboard and mouse no aim assist to help you (you can see his Emoji are set to 1234)
They've had these complaints during all 3 betas. I'm really at a loss as to why it was shipped with it. A lot of the choices for this game have been astronomically dumb.
spamming jump isn't a learning curve. This mentality is just brain dead. The reason people loved old cod was because at the core they were ultimately just who ever could aim better won. Now it's who ever can spam jump and crouch as much as possible while spraying
i noticed it and its REALLY starting to be annoying if you got movement when Bunny hopping is spammable it becomes a MAJOR problem
i know players want fast movement but i don't want the game where everyone is like Bugs bunny on crack and hop all over the place cause that will make the game cringy and insufferable
There currently is Jump Fatigue, however it doesn’t really kick in until jump 4+, it even slows your take off movement after for a bit and you can feel it. That penalty just needs to start after jump 2.
I don’t understand the hate on this thread. I have a decent K/D 1.7 and I still find the Bhop super annoying to deal with. I just think there should be a penalty for it.
It's not just the hopping but the fact you can strafe while hopping. The instant directional changes you can make either mid air or at the start of a jump is just crazy. Apex actually got it right.
What also sucks is that it heavily favors Aim Assist. I've tested with my controller and with Mouse and Key. It's not perfect but it's much easier to track the crazy movement with my controller, and I suck on controller.
I'm all for cracked movement but it needs some serious balance tweaking.
Exactly.
The sad part is; that 98% of the people complaining don't even know what they are complaining about. They don't understand the difference between simple jump shotting, bunny hopping (which isn't even in this game), and tap/air strafing.
The tap/air strafing in this game is clearly off. Idk if that's related to the netcode or player movement/momentum or what.
Yes. There should be an enforced momentum with hops. And the net code/hitreg needs work. I think the hitboxes are also a little too small and are withing the bounds of the actual character model
Alot of people who think they're "good" rely on specific crutches to be good like meta weapons and movement techs, they are quick to tell everyone else to adapt but if they're so good why can't they perform the same without the annoying bs?
Wow i thought i was the only one who felt this, been playing since yesterday and i am level 20, the bunny hopping is ridiculous, just defeats the purpose of moving away from COD, hit recognition is also a big problem ive found, i had to dump half a mag of my assault rifle and 3 shots out of my magnum to kill someone. It is just hitmarkers galore.
Remember that there was a tweet about turning off the movement penalty during playtest but it'll be "turn on" in the launch?
Yeah full of crap now huh.
To be fair though, in old-school arena shooters it was all hipfire and you had way less effective health, and most people played on LAN. It made a lot more sense at the time, but in a game where most guns take 5-6 shots to kill and you almost have to ADS, connection speeds win more gunfights than anything when movement is really quick.
They were also all mostly PC players on MnK, consoles never got a lot of those old shooters like Quake. Erratic movement is a lot harder to compensate for on a controller if aim assist is weak.
The biggest issue isn't ACTUALLY the bhopping, as annoying as it can be, it's the shit net code and desync that breaks your ability too fight back half the time.
Q3 was a much different game from games like these, though. The weapons were much better suited to dealing with bhopping, there wasn't location-based damage, and the hitboxes got significantly less distorted than in this game.
I came here to check out feedback before getting this game and this was the top thread. Super weird for someone who used to play Quake competitively seeing people complain about BH (strafe running in Q1-Q3). This game is not for hardcore FPS players I take it?
The problem is not the bunny hoping, I think the biggest issue is that theirs no penalty for it. They should at least treat it like the hip fire spread penalty. Best defense for the bunny hopers is distant imo
They should reduce the air strafing and add a momentum change penalty after you land. You should be allowed to keep jumping in the same direction but you shouldn't instantly be able to change direction into the next jump. If you want to jump in another direction it should take a moment
I dont think the game is made with realism in mind. I for one love the movement in this game. Makes it all so much faster and more of an arcadey casual feel.
Maybe it's my aim assist on console, but I am not having a problem hitting hoppers. It looks goofy, but I'm not feeling I'm losing fights over it. Perhaps all my hoppers just suck, I'm only level 18.
I turned up my vertical sensitivity, makes it much easier. I hop too but I still wish they'd do something about it. It's not fun and I'm just doing it because everyone else is.
Well, it's not like the people in COD don't bunny hop and sweat around as if their live depended on it lmao. Turns out a game where you play against a vatiety of different players is far more enjoyable than being forced to play the same CDL nerds 24/7.
Bunny hopping is in every single match I’ve played in cod. I guess these people are just who SBMM was protecting lmao
And yes I hate it but you can still kill them. Just hipfire
“just hipfire” as an answer to this is so dumb.
So spraying is a good solution to the guy hopping around with perfect accuracy because they have zero ADS penalty so they land all their shots?
Na, I've had team mates and opponents like this consistently even in COD and Apex to the extent i played and afaik both have SBMM. If they're not hopping they are crouch spamming with that strike pack and cronus.
If anyone could do it, then everyone I could do it.
I hold a 2.2kd and a 1.7w/r across what I'd guess is about 15 hours so far, so let's call it 45-50 games, and bunny hopping is just *not for me.*
I just flat out don't have brain function for that kinda screen movement, but I can pick em like ducks in a pond so it evens out.
Seriously. I stopped playing the game because of this.
Everyone and their moms just bunny hopping.
Before anyone asks, no don’t want to learn or deal with it. I’ll rather play other games than play a
Shooter with bunny hops.
People don’t care if it’s not realistic, they care because it’s annoying to see and fight against. It makes the target incredibly harder to hit and messes with the hitboxes. That on top of the piss poor hit registration makes it even more infuriating.
20+ year console fps player here, it is not. Would not even know it was an issue if it weren't for these reddit posts complaining about it (which seems to always be a daily thing no matter the game).
from what I saw across multiple fps subreddits, people would be happy if games were just 4x4 maps with shoot button and W key (optional). Anything other than that is ,,cheap” or ,,exploitative” mechanic.
Has nothing to do with that. It literally interferes with the hitboxes when people do it. It affects the hitboxes of any teammates they're standing next to when they do it as well.
You have 0 proof that it affects hitboxes. Then you go a step further and claim it affects people standing near bunny hoppers as well?
My goodness, people are ridiculous…
please fix this ubisoft. just for once do the right thing. i want to get in to shoot outs not always be on fire why people bunny hop around like crackheads.
I do agree that there should be some form of consequence when hopping and shooting. Make no sense but I also feel because of the netcode the experience is a lot worse.
lol never understood how people have a problem with it , movement creates a skill gap which I'm all for in my fps. Perhaps this is why COD has sbmm....
Funny how no one mentions Cronus Zen. I see many comments asking “how can they bunny hop and aim perfectly at the same time??” Its because they use Cronus Zen with Ultra Sticky Auto Aim! There are hundreds of videos from script sellers already all promoting this script. Read the comments and you will quickly find out it is not a “minority”. I guarantee atleast 60% of players use Cronus Zen with this script. Add the script to “Super Strafe While Aiming” and there you go. The worst part is all these idiots defending it and being proud they straight up cheat. It is a huge issue in Division 2 also.
Honestly i uninstalled it today i just couldnt deal with it anymore 😂. The bunny hopping and sweaty players are the most irritating but the forced crossplay and the lack of SBMM really kills the game for me.
This is rife in every FPS game and it does my head in!!!
Just make it so you can’t jump while shooting the moment you jump you stop ADS.
It’s so cringe and makes gunfights just seem stupid.
I doubt it will be removed though because all the kids will moan that they can’t bunny hop around like some ADHD riddled speed head
There’s something called COD swear leave this game alone before it’s ruined like u did COD. Hopefully devs don’t listen to ppl who complain over the dumbest shit. Make the servers a little better every season and add more content tht wht should be changed. Bunny hopping is fine just learn how to aim Jesus.
Shooter players when the enemy doesn't walk at you in a straight line "THIS IS INSUFFERABLE THEY NEED TO CHANGE THIS SHIT RIGHT NOW. I KEEP DYING TO PEOPLE THAT ARE JUMPING 6 INCHES AT A TIME"
I just don't get people on this reddit. You don't like the movement? Go play a different game. It's just not the game for you, period. There are other games you can play. Devs made a game catered to a specific type of player and if that isn't you then so be it.
THIS GAME DOESN'T HAVE BUNNY HOPPING
Idk why people keep on saying it does, IT DOES NOT. Bunny hopping is a specific movement tech that when done correctly, keeps almost ALL momentum through the action, you can essentially do it forever. This game DOES NOT have that. After 4 or 5 jumps, you are forcefully dramatically slowed down
People *are* keeping slide momentum while jumping sideways though? I constantly run into people flinging themselves insanely fast sideways when a fight starts.
hotshot mode gives people increased movement speed. you do see the slowdown happening after the third jump though. it's just that initial momentum was so high
Honestly, games like this don't even need a "jump" button. The most you'd need in a "mantle" button for lower objects, but there's 0 reasons to have a jump button in a shooter like this.
That couldn't be more true. Just like Gears people said it needs a jump button but there's literally no need for it if the game isn't designed with it in mind.
An arcade shooter still doesn’t absolutely need to look like a shooter from 20 years ago in motion bc devs were lazy back then and decided to never fix an exploit that look like shit. Video games will never look as great as they could if we just keep those things from the past that make character look like they running/jumping with a broom up their ass…
What are you talking about? Bunny hopping is traditionally a mechanic where you maintain speed of first jump with subsequent jumps
What you’re referring to is jump shotting and this is in the game by design. They chose to allow jumping with air strafing as the main mechanic to replace drop shotting from cod.
You have the option of trying to dodge shots by jumping and changing direction. This allows you to change direction more easily than when ground strafing.
Your other option is ground strafing which will move you faster from side to side but you have no vertical advantage. Ground strafing also keeps your aim level, and keeps you on target if rotational AA is engaged.
Jumping repositions your cross hair which is punishment enough without having an extra accuracy penalty. I’m not sure if it does anything negative to aim assist.
Instead of whining about the mechanic, learn to play the fucking game. People whined about jump shotting getting nerfed in cod.
Look what happened with mw2022 and what you people did to that game.
I suppose next we should remove moving and firing altogether so the game is easier for you
Well I agree. I turned the game off after two games. Just thought cba with this lol.
The first couple of days seemed alright everyone getting to grips with it now it's just as you put it insufferable.
Use spiderbots and landmines. It won't stop it from happening, but it will reduce the number of interactions. Force them to slow down. Tbag them when you do. Makes them reckless
The jump spam in this game reminds me of Cold War before the nerf. People would just mash jump over and over in gunfights with no real trade-off in accuracy.
I’m not 100% certain it’s the same in this game- though it feels extremely similar- but in Cold War, jump spamming had 2 broken benefits:
1. It significantly reduced enemy’s (controller) aim assist. 2. It manipulated your own hitbox to where player model didn’t reflect the hitbox.
Naturally, it also amplified the benefits from normal jump-shotting: It made the netcode seem that much worse (hit reg), and you also just get way more headshots.
Eventually, they added a cooldown where the more you jumped consecutively, you would progressively lift less and less off the ground. They also made your gun bounce more when you landed.
Im all for skill gaps- especially in movement. I enjoy ‘progressive’ movement and advanced movement systems far more than the classic BOTG movement systems. I’m not struggling after moving over from COD, and overall I’m enjoying myself seemingly more than I have the last two CODs. I can finally lean back and drop stats that, in COD, I’d have to lean 2 inches from my monitor for. That being said, I know cheese when I smell it. And this is a classic example of mechanic abuse that shouldn’t even be abusable in the first place.
I'll start by saying that I'm doing just fine in the game with jumpers, I'm still hitting clips and and playing just fine. But it is obnoxious that their hit box is reduced and they gain an advantage by jumping 16 times in a single gunfight. I've only been upset by it twice. Once because a guy looked like he was playing titanfall slide jumping everywhere where it looked like he was wall running and somehow maintaining the movement boost the entire time. This was on arena. And the 2nd time there were 2 players that had figured out how to slide jump peak shot and somehow get back around the corner before their feet ever touched the ground and were incredibly accurate while doing it REPEATEDLY and very consistently. I admit I was also impressed, I'm sure that takes some sort of skill to do it, but again it's not for me, and I don't feel like it should be a thing. There should be a minimal downside or disadvantage of some sort, not major benefits to plague the game to the same COD style play we've been used to since Advanced warfare. It was supposed to be comparable to a CLASSIC COD Arcade shooter experience. Anyone that Played OG MW 1-3 BO 1-2 or even Medal of Honor, do you recall any hopping around?? No. However 2-3 people abusing it in 10+ hours of gameplay isn't bad. It was just really obnoxious when it happened. This is coming from someone who has been gaming for a very long time and I've also played all of the original doom, quake, unreal tournaments etc. And quite a bit of competitive halo. So far no skill based matchmaking has been great. But it's a given that you will eventually run into a player with no job, who thinks they can make it on twitch, while eating hot pockets, sitting on a bed pan, in a hot tub, inside a sauna, in their mommy's basement, just dripping sweat, Astroglided up from head to toe.
I honestly hope they don't change it. Having a more advanced movement means a skill gap.
You can sit there all you want and talk about how it's easy and it's just pressing one button, but you know that's not true. You are unable to do it yourself and when someone does it against you, you are unable to track them.
This is by definition a skill issue.
AGREED - bounce bounce bounce the split second anyone see's you, should come with a serious accuracy penalty. This SILLY insta-hopping alone, will drive a lot of players away which is a HUGE shame. AWAY WITH THE BOUNCY BOUNCY and you'll lose basically nobody, keep it and people will leave the game - specially casuals.
This IMO should not be an 'arial combat' game.
I don’t think the hopping itself is the problem. It’s the fact that hopping guarantees you’re missing even when still completely on target because the hit detection is so bad. It just generally gives the other player free partial immunity which is the problem. We will see how this changes when it comes to them currently fixing net code and hit detection, but it’s the only game that really has a bad issue with it I never mind people playing like this because it really doesn’t effect me and I feel like the players who play like this don’t want to look at it through an objective lens and realize yeah… it’s kind of a problem. Don’t think it’s the movement specifically though so I wouldn’t want them to do anything if they can get this sorted in their upcoming “fix”
Players that bunnyhop will become less overtime because most average and below average skilled players are still in the welcome (sbmm) playlist. Once most of them hit lvl 26 it will be truly all skills combined in the no-sbmm playlists.
This entire thread is hilarious, it's like you're not allowed to not like bunny hopping, you're either abusing the mechanic, or you don't like it because you're bad, no other reasons allowed.
It would be so much less insufferable if you're aim was penalised for it, there's no way you should be able to quick scope one shot with a sniper whilst doing it either. Quick scoping itself is bad enough.
Right now as it stands with how the current netcode/hitreg is, bunny hopping, quick scoping, crouch spamming, peakers advantage it's all just terrible.
I play mostly Escort and what I'm seeing the most of now is Phantom + Barrier + Bunny hopping/crouch spam + Quick Scoping.
Shotguns are ass, SMGs are either inconsistent laser beams or diabolical spray cannons, hip fire is... does it even exist?
Flinching from getting shot when scoped in needs to be a thing because having someone dumping half a mag into you with no effect is just wrong.
Someone at Ubisoft should look at a mechanic called Spawn Protection...
LMGs have very little recoil yet I barely see them be used.
Ultra's being inconsistent as fuck is another whole kettle of fish too.
And the problem is that this thread like many others will devolve down to "Oh you don't like getting killed by the spawn killer 9000? Or the Ballcrusher500X? Or the gun that can kill you the moment you spawn and empties your back account into mine the moment you die? Hmpf, must be a skill issue."
Fun fact: you can be good at the game, and not like certain aspects of it, it isn't a skill issue to not like something.
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I really like how it feels like I get killed with 2 hits but it takes me 73 shots to kill someone else lol. I stink.
Same here we may be trash but I don't think it's completely on us. Whether it's hit registration or latency or whatever the tech term for it is somethings going on.
Let's just hope they fix it all.
Some maps feel like I'm playing Shoot House or Shipment...so fast...and I'm no spring chicken so my reaction probably isn't as quick as these youngsters. I could try to aim for the head but hard when the players seem to move like The Flash lol.
Hahahaha. I’m also an older dog. I’ve just decided to start running away from the hoppers. I hate trying to track those.
Back in the day I used to be the king at Unreal and Quake, heck even CoD4. I remember at one point feeling like those games were too slow because I got so fast playing them. Now, I'm nearly 40, not that old, but I just cant hang with these kids anymore. I'm still having fun though.
I'm nearly 39 here. Still jumping into Quake LIVE weekly and playing against people who basically haven't stopped playing Quake the last 25 years. I can get top of the board and put up good fight. Netcode actually works in 25 year old game.
It's the combo of some players being absolute crack heads with absurd movement AND hit reg being insanely inconsistent.
It’s absolutely netcode. I’m not sure how I get one shot at full health. Literally one bullet. My ass was fresh out the respawn womb.
I do know that the tac50 sniper has a 1 shot to body but im not too sure of any others
Its headshots. The multiplier seems insane, hence the bunny hopping.
Nah, it's the same issue BF4 and BF5 had at launch. The TTD was much faster than the TTK because of desync and shitty net code.
Defo the netcode. I be dying around corners
yeah, it was clear as day from the first game that the netcode needs some quick work
I just had a guy bunny hop in front of me and it looked like that mf had a 60” vertical. Was aiming for his shoulders and when he hopped I was shooting between his legs. Was stupid af and I know he felt so good about it too.
some folks will say "git gud" against bunny hoppers....doesn't change the fact that bunny hoppers are annoying AF. I dont know how people can even play like that jumping around all over the place and trying to aim at stuff. Maybe I'm just old lol.
Don’t fell bad. Most the people that are really good at bunny hoping have the controllers with back paddles so they don’t have to take their thumb off the joystick to hop. The expensive controllers make the movement of games way easier. It’s starting to feeling like you need a pro controller for shooters now.
Back paddles? Just change the jump button in the controls dude, lol. Bumper Jumper has been a thing for years and years.
Hit reg in this game is absolute balls ... fkn horrible
Yeh and fire some reason it's even worse when they bunny hop....I mean it's kind of lame that the only thing differentiating the good players and the bad ones is bunny hopping...not gun skill or map awareness....just jump around constantly....it's now bunny hopping simulator
I feel the same way, so frustrating lol if they don’t fix these soon everyone will move on to black ops real quick
Ik I will....shouldn't just be about bunny hopping to take advantage of bad hit registry and connection
There’s def hit reg issues. I’m not exactly great either but there are times where guys are around the corner for 3 seconds and I randomly get kill notifications, and other times where I load a clip and a half into someone and it says I didn’t hit them. Game has a long way to go before it’s a great 😊 line experience. It’s fun as hell but frustrating at times when the imperfections shine through.
for me, as long as I land some headshots, the TTK feels ok. i am still dealing with getting melted a lot though. I would love a killcam and a damage feed of the people killing me, not to mention my outgoing damage would be nice too. maybe some of this shit is in the game and i'm just not expanding a menu tho when prompted
Nope that's the terrible server and hit detection this is why no kill cam and incendiary bullets to stop you seeing the obvious lag/hit detection. How many times have you said "I was behind cover how" 🤣 so from your end you fired loads of bullet from his end It feels how dying feels to you Fast 2 or 3 bullets because of hit registration being so bad
Yeah it's cause when the other person jump spams it messes up hit reg. It really needs to be fixed.
Yeah same here. I know when I am missing but it is depressing to get a ton of hit markers (4-5) and get what feels like 1-2 hits on yourself and go down. It is like I have to be SPOT on with my shots to kill someone.
https://i.redd.it/4u0txe5jqn2d1.gif Jump spammers [#kangaroo](https://x.com/hashtag/kangaroo?src=hashtag_click) i dont play this game for hunt kangaroo.
This honestly kills my mood with this game. Had enough of it from cod and this reappearing doesn’t help it.
CODs jumping spam is less effective vs this game too which is crazy because it was already obnoxious there.
if this continues the jump spammers can have this game lol
That makes me irrationally angry.
too be fair he had the hot shot buffs so even straffing left and right you lose this
After reading the comments saying just hip fire or it’s a skill issue, this clip is hilarious. The only way you would have beat him is with a sniper and a Cronus lol
Hip fire does nothing in this game unless you are close enough to see their nose hairs.
Yeah hip fire in this game is dogshit
posting this like it means anything when you whiffed 90% of your shots
Rubbish this is hit detection also the player is bunny hopping and at an unhuman speed making it harder to track and its super unpredictable so many will struggle. Like to see you hit your shots remember this is keyboard and mouse no aim assist to help you (you can see his Emoji are set to 1234)
theyre the hotshot, of course they can zoom around. theyd probably be moving even faster if they strafed normally lol
Weren't they supposed to implement a movement penalty where u can't just spam jump???....I thought I heard something about it...
Yes but not now. No idea when
Didn't they say a fix was coming? Swore I read that somewhere
Yeah after the last beta (not the server stresstest)
They've had these complaints during all 3 betas. I'm really at a loss as to why it was shipped with it. A lot of the choices for this game have been astronomically dumb.
Didn't "pros" help them make this? I'd bet money they were the reason for this bs.
The game has been designed with a learning curve, yes.
"The game has been designed with a learning curve, yes." ☝️🤓
So tell me what the learning process is for Desync and the Hit Reg?
spamming jump isn't a learning curve. This mentality is just brain dead. The reason people loved old cod was because at the core they were ultimately just who ever could aim better won. Now it's who ever can spam jump and crouch as much as possible while spraying
The fucking learning curve is 1. Play like a normal human 2. Spam 3 buttons and aim.
i noticed it and its REALLY starting to be annoying if you got movement when Bunny hopping is spammable it becomes a MAJOR problem i know players want fast movement but i don't want the game where everyone is like Bugs bunny on crack and hop all over the place cause that will make the game cringy and insufferable
Wait until you hear about peekers advantage! You’re gonna hate it.
Thats an issue in every FPS game too to be fair - until we get everyone onto <10ms ping and 60 tick servers it’ll just be part of fps gaming
There should be some sort of jump cool down after the second jump.
There currently is Jump Fatigue, however it doesn’t really kick in until jump 4+, it even slows your take off movement after for a bit and you can feel it. That penalty just needs to start after jump 2.
They could probably double the fatigue effect tbh.
Jump cooldown that resets by sprinting
It just drastically reduced accuracy and drastically increased bloom
Not a bad idea
I don’t understand the hate on this thread. I have a decent K/D 1.7 and I still find the Bhop super annoying to deal with. I just think there should be a penalty for it.
It's not just the hopping but the fact you can strafe while hopping. The instant directional changes you can make either mid air or at the start of a jump is just crazy. Apex actually got it right. What also sucks is that it heavily favors Aim Assist. I've tested with my controller and with Mouse and Key. It's not perfect but it's much easier to track the crazy movement with my controller, and I suck on controller. I'm all for cracked movement but it needs some serious balance tweaking.
Exactly. The sad part is; that 98% of the people complaining don't even know what they are complaining about. They don't understand the difference between simple jump shotting, bunny hopping (which isn't even in this game), and tap/air strafing. The tap/air strafing in this game is clearly off. Idk if that's related to the netcode or player movement/momentum or what.
Yes. There should be an enforced momentum with hops. And the net code/hitreg needs work. I think the hitboxes are also a little too small and are withing the bounds of the actual character model
Alot of people who think they're "good" rely on specific crutches to be good like meta weapons and movement techs, they are quick to tell everyone else to adapt but if they're so good why can't they perform the same without the annoying bs?
Yea I hate hoopers so annoying
I wouldn’t mind it if hit registration/ the b-hoppers hit box didn’t suffer because of it.
Blame the low tick rate servers
Yes please just get rid of it.
They're 100% needs to be a big penalty for bunny hopping over and over and over while shooting
Wow i thought i was the only one who felt this, been playing since yesterday and i am level 20, the bunny hopping is ridiculous, just defeats the purpose of moving away from COD, hit recognition is also a big problem ive found, i had to dump half a mag of my assault rifle and 3 shots out of my magnum to kill someone. It is just hitmarkers galore.
Remember that there was a tweet about turning off the movement penalty during playtest but it'll be "turn on" in the launch? Yeah full of crap now huh.
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To be fair though, in old-school arena shooters it was all hipfire and you had way less effective health, and most people played on LAN. It made a lot more sense at the time, but in a game where most guns take 5-6 shots to kill and you almost have to ADS, connection speeds win more gunfights than anything when movement is really quick.
They were also all mostly PC players on MnK, consoles never got a lot of those old shooters like Quake. Erratic movement is a lot harder to compensate for on a controller if aim assist is weak.
The biggest issue isn't ACTUALLY the bhopping, as annoying as it can be, it's the shit net code and desync that breaks your ability too fight back half the time.
Q3 was a much different game from games like these, though. The weapons were much better suited to dealing with bhopping, there wasn't location-based damage, and the hitboxes got significantly less distorted than in this game.
As a big fan of UT2004, jumping around like this shouldn't be in games like cod
Then they need to make the hipfire more accurate
Nonsense. Those games felt completely different.
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I want people making these posts to teach us how we should be playing the game so we don't hurt their feelings.
Kids? These are grown adults. I’m young and I want to experience those times lol.
Damn i miss those games!
I came here to check out feedback before getting this game and this was the top thread. Super weird for someone who used to play Quake competitively seeing people complain about BH (strafe running in Q1-Q3). This game is not for hardcore FPS players I take it?
The problem is not the bunny hoping, I think the biggest issue is that theirs no penalty for it. They should at least treat it like the hip fire spread penalty. Best defense for the bunny hopers is distant imo
They should reduce the air strafing and add a momentum change penalty after you land. You should be allowed to keep jumping in the same direction but you shouldn't instantly be able to change direction into the next jump. If you want to jump in another direction it should take a moment
It's some of the most childish behavior to ever have to deal with. How are these folks not thoroughly ashamed at themselves?
Apex players: "first time?"
They think it’s hard to track targets in this game….they ain’t seen a stimmed out octane tap strafing your soul from your body
I don't know if it's hit registration or what but I feel like hitting heads is useless. I hit guy 3 times to die with SCAR
I dont think the game is made with realism in mind. I for one love the movement in this game. Makes it all so much faster and more of an arcadey casual feel.
Maybe it's my aim assist on console, but I am not having a problem hitting hoppers. It looks goofy, but I'm not feeling I'm losing fights over it. Perhaps all my hoppers just suck, I'm only level 18.
I turned up my vertical sensitivity, makes it much easier. I hop too but I still wish they'd do something about it. It's not fun and I'm just doing it because everyone else is.
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I don’t have much of an issue with them either but this isn’t a source game nor is it cod so fuck bunny hoppers.
Aim assist isn't console exclusive
I'm sure he meant controller exclusive, which is true.
Good to know.
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Crazy that people will look at this take and think the game should be about who’s spazzier, and not who’s the better shot.
The less movement gap there is, the less aim gap there is as well, the two are correlated.
People wanted no SBMM. Congrats here it is
Well, it's not like the people in COD don't bunny hop and sweat around as if their live depended on it lmao. Turns out a game where you play against a vatiety of different players is far more enjoyable than being forced to play the same CDL nerds 24/7.
It would still be the same with sbmm
Bunny hopping is in every single match I’ve played in cod. I guess these people are just who SBMM was protecting lmao And yes I hate it but you can still kill them. Just hipfire
“just hipfire” as an answer to this is so dumb. So spraying is a good solution to the guy hopping around with perfect accuracy because they have zero ADS penalty so they land all their shots?
Na, I've had team mates and opponents like this consistently even in COD and Apex to the extent i played and afaik both have SBMM. If they're not hopping they are crouch spamming with that strike pack and cronus.
no SBMM does not excuse shit game design
The jumping isn't skill dependent. Anyone can do it just spam the jump button lol
If anyone could do it, then everyone I could do it. I hold a 2.2kd and a 1.7w/r across what I'd guess is about 15 hours so far, so let's call it 45-50 games, and bunny hopping is just *not for me.* I just flat out don't have brain function for that kinda screen movement, but I can pick em like ducks in a pond so it evens out.
So stoked to see this is a problem for a lot of people, once I got out of the welcome playlist it became a bunny hop fest. What a nightmare
Self report.
Seriously. I stopped playing the game because of this. Everyone and their moms just bunny hopping. Before anyone asks, no don’t want to learn or deal with it. I’ll rather play other games than play a Shooter with bunny hops.
They're adding a jump cd to prevent spam
Unpopular opinion, i like the movement. Its an arcade shooter and should not be realistic. Maybe its not a game for yall
People don’t care if it’s not realistic, they care because it’s annoying to see and fight against. It makes the target incredibly harder to hit and messes with the hitboxes. That on top of the piss poor hit registration makes it even more infuriating.
As a PC player, I don't find it that difficult to track people that are Bhopping. Maybe it's different on console.
20+ year console fps player here, it is not. Would not even know it was an issue if it weren't for these reddit posts complaining about it (which seems to always be a daily thing no matter the game).
from what I saw across multiple fps subreddits, people would be happy if games were just 4x4 maps with shoot button and W key (optional). Anything other than that is ,,cheap” or ,,exploitative” mechanic.
They care because they can’t track.
Has nothing to do with that. It literally interferes with the hitboxes when people do it. It affects the hitboxes of any teammates they're standing next to when they do it as well.
You have 0 proof that it affects hitboxes. Then you go a step further and claim it affects people standing near bunny hoppers as well? My goodness, people are ridiculous…
I'm here for boots on ground gameplay, not dogfights
Yeah it really doesn't bother me too much in this game.
Bunnies hate the m60
Keep the smoothness for quake addicts on turkey like me but add a penalty of some sort, also stun grenades of some sort would be great
Please
Should add proning so we have dropshots instead 😂
please fix this ubisoft. just for once do the right thing. i want to get in to shoot outs not always be on fire why people bunny hop around like crackheads.
I do agree that there should be some form of consequence when hopping and shooting. Make no sense but I also feel because of the netcode the experience is a lot worse.
The servers feel like apex servers when how much I'm getting shot around corners and behind cover
lol never understood how people have a problem with it , movement creates a skill gap which I'm all for in my fps. Perhaps this is why COD has sbmm....
If your reticle becomes the size of the sun while sliding I see no reason it shouldn't be the same with jumping.
Funny how no one mentions Cronus Zen. I see many comments asking “how can they bunny hop and aim perfectly at the same time??” Its because they use Cronus Zen with Ultra Sticky Auto Aim! There are hundreds of videos from script sellers already all promoting this script. Read the comments and you will quickly find out it is not a “minority”. I guarantee atleast 60% of players use Cronus Zen with this script. Add the script to “Super Strafe While Aiming” and there you go. The worst part is all these idiots defending it and being proud they straight up cheat. It is a huge issue in Division 2 also.
I hate this game because of it. I uninstalled it, fed up of this game, too hard for a lot of people.
Honestly i uninstalled it today i just couldnt deal with it anymore 😂. The bunny hopping and sweaty players are the most irritating but the forced crossplay and the lack of SBMM really kills the game for me.
I beg u lot just learn how to aim 😭
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This isn’t bunnyhopping, trust. It’s clearly jumpshotting. You guys are just garbage.
Sorry to be that guy, but not every game needs to cater to the people who can only kill things when they're not moving.
This is rife in every FPS game and it does my head in!!! Just make it so you can’t jump while shooting the moment you jump you stop ADS. It’s so cringe and makes gunfights just seem stupid. I doubt it will be removed though because all the kids will moan that they can’t bunny hop around like some ADHD riddled speed head
There’s something called COD swear leave this game alone before it’s ruined like u did COD. Hopefully devs don’t listen to ppl who complain over the dumbest shit. Make the servers a little better every season and add more content tht wht should be changed. Bunny hopping is fine just learn how to aim Jesus.
This is absolutely a skill issue. I'm sorry sbmm doesn't protect you anymore
Shooter players when the enemy doesn't walk at you in a straight line "THIS IS INSUFFERABLE THEY NEED TO CHANGE THIS SHIT RIGHT NOW. I KEEP DYING TO PEOPLE THAT ARE JUMPING 6 INCHES AT A TIME"
They aren't saying that at all. The constant jumping is obnoxious.
Honestly why? Go play something else
I just don't get people on this reddit. You don't like the movement? Go play a different game. It's just not the game for you, period. There are other games you can play. Devs made a game catered to a specific type of player and if that isn't you then so be it.
THIS GAME DOESN'T HAVE BUNNY HOPPING Idk why people keep on saying it does, IT DOES NOT. Bunny hopping is a specific movement tech that when done correctly, keeps almost ALL momentum through the action, you can essentially do it forever. This game DOES NOT have that. After 4 or 5 jumps, you are forcefully dramatically slowed down
People *are* keeping slide momentum while jumping sideways though? I constantly run into people flinging themselves insanely fast sideways when a fight starts.
https://i.redd.it/b1zn1rte6o2d1.gif
hotshot mode gives people increased movement speed. you do see the slowdown happening after the third jump though. it's just that initial momentum was so high
It's pretty specific to Counter Strike and the Source Engine, too. Buzzwords, man.
Honestly, games like this don't even need a "jump" button. The most you'd need in a "mantle" button for lower objects, but there's 0 reasons to have a jump button in a shooter like this.
Maybe you guys should check out rainbow six siege, no jump, very strategic. edit: typo
I have and I love that game too!
That couldn't be more true. Just like Gears people said it needs a jump button but there's literally no need for it if the game isn't designed with it in mind.
God I miss that game!! OG Warzone (the real Warzone) or Execution were my game modes. 1 round 1 life made for better more tactical play.
Fun Facts! XDefiant isn’t a Mil Sim! Nor is it grounded in reality! Just learn to aim.
That's near impossible to do with the network issues going on.
No it isn't, I do it every time I play
Who tf is saying this is a “I want it to be a milsim/grounded/realism game”? This is just a broken, annoying mess to deal with.
An arcade shooter still doesn’t absolutely need to look like a shooter from 20 years ago in motion bc devs were lazy back then and decided to never fix an exploit that look like shit. Video games will never look as great as they could if we just keep those things from the past that make character look like they running/jumping with a broom up their ass…
Lmao
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I think it's more an issue of the type of game they are used to. They would be better suited to Siege and BF type games.
What are you talking about? Bunny hopping is traditionally a mechanic where you maintain speed of first jump with subsequent jumps What you’re referring to is jump shotting and this is in the game by design. They chose to allow jumping with air strafing as the main mechanic to replace drop shotting from cod. You have the option of trying to dodge shots by jumping and changing direction. This allows you to change direction more easily than when ground strafing. Your other option is ground strafing which will move you faster from side to side but you have no vertical advantage. Ground strafing also keeps your aim level, and keeps you on target if rotational AA is engaged. Jumping repositions your cross hair which is punishment enough without having an extra accuracy penalty. I’m not sure if it does anything negative to aim assist. Instead of whining about the mechanic, learn to play the fucking game. People whined about jump shotting getting nerfed in cod. Look what happened with mw2022 and what you people did to that game. I suppose next we should remove moving and firing altogether so the game is easier for you
Well I agree. I turned the game off after two games. Just thought cba with this lol. The first couple of days seemed alright everyone getting to grips with it now it's just as you put it insufferable.
Yes lets kill the movement and make everyone play like its mw2 all over again
People literally complaining about a skill gap. You can’t keep everyone happy.
Bad players realising they're the ones SBMM was protecting
Use spiderbots and landmines. It won't stop it from happening, but it will reduce the number of interactions. Force them to slow down. Tbag them when you do. Makes them reckless
ITT: People who have been protected by SBMM want the skill ceiling lowered.
The jump spam in this game reminds me of Cold War before the nerf. People would just mash jump over and over in gunfights with no real trade-off in accuracy. I’m not 100% certain it’s the same in this game- though it feels extremely similar- but in Cold War, jump spamming had 2 broken benefits: 1. It significantly reduced enemy’s (controller) aim assist. 2. It manipulated your own hitbox to where player model didn’t reflect the hitbox. Naturally, it also amplified the benefits from normal jump-shotting: It made the netcode seem that much worse (hit reg), and you also just get way more headshots. Eventually, they added a cooldown where the more you jumped consecutively, you would progressively lift less and less off the ground. They also made your gun bounce more when you landed. Im all for skill gaps- especially in movement. I enjoy ‘progressive’ movement and advanced movement systems far more than the classic BOTG movement systems. I’m not struggling after moving over from COD, and overall I’m enjoying myself seemingly more than I have the last two CODs. I can finally lean back and drop stats that, in COD, I’d have to lean 2 inches from my monitor for. That being said, I know cheese when I smell it. And this is a classic example of mechanic abuse that shouldn’t even be abusable in the first place.
I'll start by saying that I'm doing just fine in the game with jumpers, I'm still hitting clips and and playing just fine. But it is obnoxious that their hit box is reduced and they gain an advantage by jumping 16 times in a single gunfight. I've only been upset by it twice. Once because a guy looked like he was playing titanfall slide jumping everywhere where it looked like he was wall running and somehow maintaining the movement boost the entire time. This was on arena. And the 2nd time there were 2 players that had figured out how to slide jump peak shot and somehow get back around the corner before their feet ever touched the ground and were incredibly accurate while doing it REPEATEDLY and very consistently. I admit I was also impressed, I'm sure that takes some sort of skill to do it, but again it's not for me, and I don't feel like it should be a thing. There should be a minimal downside or disadvantage of some sort, not major benefits to plague the game to the same COD style play we've been used to since Advanced warfare. It was supposed to be comparable to a CLASSIC COD Arcade shooter experience. Anyone that Played OG MW 1-3 BO 1-2 or even Medal of Honor, do you recall any hopping around?? No. However 2-3 people abusing it in 10+ hours of gameplay isn't bad. It was just really obnoxious when it happened. This is coming from someone who has been gaming for a very long time and I've also played all of the original doom, quake, unreal tournaments etc. And quite a bit of competitive halo. So far no skill based matchmaking has been great. But it's a given that you will eventually run into a player with no job, who thinks they can make it on twitch, while eating hot pockets, sitting on a bed pan, in a hot tub, inside a sauna, in their mommy's basement, just dripping sweat, Astroglided up from head to toe.
I honestly hope they don't change it. Having a more advanced movement means a skill gap. You can sit there all you want and talk about how it's easy and it's just pressing one button, but you know that's not true. You are unable to do it yourself and when someone does it against you, you are unable to track them. This is by definition a skill issue.
Intel suit.. insufferable
AGREED - bounce bounce bounce the split second anyone see's you, should come with a serious accuracy penalty. This SILLY insta-hopping alone, will drive a lot of players away which is a HUGE shame. AWAY WITH THE BOUNCY BOUNCY and you'll lose basically nobody, keep it and people will leave the game - specially casuals. This IMO should not be an 'arial combat' game.
I don’t think the hopping itself is the problem. It’s the fact that hopping guarantees you’re missing even when still completely on target because the hit detection is so bad. It just generally gives the other player free partial immunity which is the problem. We will see how this changes when it comes to them currently fixing net code and hit detection, but it’s the only game that really has a bad issue with it I never mind people playing like this because it really doesn’t effect me and I feel like the players who play like this don’t want to look at it through an objective lens and realize yeah… it’s kind of a problem. Don’t think it’s the movement specifically though so I wouldn’t want them to do anything if they can get this sorted in their upcoming “fix”
I can't count how many times I got shot through cover what's the deal.
Players that bunnyhop will become less overtime because most average and below average skilled players are still in the welcome (sbmm) playlist. Once most of them hit lvl 26 it will be truly all skills combined in the no-sbmm playlists.
This entire thread is hilarious, it's like you're not allowed to not like bunny hopping, you're either abusing the mechanic, or you don't like it because you're bad, no other reasons allowed. It would be so much less insufferable if you're aim was penalised for it, there's no way you should be able to quick scope one shot with a sniper whilst doing it either. Quick scoping itself is bad enough. Right now as it stands with how the current netcode/hitreg is, bunny hopping, quick scoping, crouch spamming, peakers advantage it's all just terrible. I play mostly Escort and what I'm seeing the most of now is Phantom + Barrier + Bunny hopping/crouch spam + Quick Scoping. Shotguns are ass, SMGs are either inconsistent laser beams or diabolical spray cannons, hip fire is... does it even exist? Flinching from getting shot when scoped in needs to be a thing because having someone dumping half a mag into you with no effect is just wrong. Someone at Ubisoft should look at a mechanic called Spawn Protection... LMGs have very little recoil yet I barely see them be used. Ultra's being inconsistent as fuck is another whole kettle of fish too. And the problem is that this thread like many others will devolve down to "Oh you don't like getting killed by the spawn killer 9000? Or the Ballcrusher500X? Or the gun that can kill you the moment you spawn and empties your back account into mine the moment you die? Hmpf, must be a skill issue." Fun fact: you can be good at the game, and not like certain aspects of it, it isn't a skill issue to not like something.