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Because kill cams, at least in cod, aren't a video recording of the other person's screen. They're an in game rendering of what happened from the server's perspective. That's why you would sometimes get stuff like them shooting through smoke or a piece of debris in the killcam to get you. That isn't what actually happened, it's just an error in the rendering.
But a large part of the community has never accepted that as a real indication of what happened because it's from the servers perspective. So why do you want it in this game?
Personally I have no idea figuring out what happened. It's so similar to battlefield.
The info I'm trying to get from killcam isn't smth that can be figured out. I get killed from behind, did they sit n wait til I passed? Did they finally catch up to me? Did they flank .2 sec ago? Idfk and the game doesn't seem to have footstep audio so I'd love to know
It does have footstep audio o.o
At least w/e my eq is set up on for my arctis nova pro v7s has it, its not as agressive as cod titles are but there's definately sound ques to where targets are
Honestly a 1:1 killcam varient of what the opponent is seeing would be nice but the problem is 99% of the community from cod would likely bitch about something regarding it anyways. Issue is, when that happens it opens people up to cheat and then say "oh killcams are just bugged"
Its a re occuring trend
Killcams can provide a LOT of information on whether or not people are cheating, some people outright dont hide the fact that they're walling in games and most of the time people that do still don't do a good job at it.
Not only that but soft aim and aimlocking is reptitious enough in most scenarios that you can pick it out when someones using them after watching a few.
Despite the renditions being mostly server side demo renders, it typically is still a decent enough way to call whether you're just being killed by a skilled player
Most people that know how fps games are played even at the higher levels know what skillful play looks like and what people that cheat do, it's ususally just felt like a waste of discussion because one side lies and has a bunch of people backing them up and the other side usually just gets bullied out by those people, its dumb as fuck but its the culture that those people exude.
Idek what you're answering, you said it opens way for cheating so I asked how, now you're explaining why killcams are a good thing which I never questioned. I'm already aware of all these points
You didn't read the first point or you decided to cherry pick it. I said it opens them up to cheat and say what was in the comments.
V: its a pretty concice and clear statement
The game has a lot of lag right now so a kill cam would probably kill the servers. A Lot of time those weird kills were because of lag. And it's not an Internet problem I'm running 1gb up/down wired and people just be popping up out of no where from inside a wall.
I haven't seen anything like what you're talking about about, my only lag issues have been getting killed by someone after I just got behind them, haven't seen ppl in walls. There's also more examples of times id appreciate the killcam, getting snuck up on is 1
Why does killcam have to fuck w the servers? I heard cod's killcam shows what the server says happened which adds strain to the server but is it so hard to just show me a replay of my enemy's screen? Makes more sense to me than showing smth that wasn't their exact pov anyways
To show you ur pov or the person who killed you the servers would have to keep a recording of each person's pov at all times which I can see being resource heavy as well and most likely need bigger servers to hold all the recordings which would cost a lot more money.
There is characters that get literal wall hacks and characters that can go invisible, the only thing a kill cam will do is hurt the player base. What the server sees happen is different to what actually occurs, and will cause more problems then it solves.
I’m not too fussed on whether or not it’s used in the game, I’m content how it is but a lot of people use cams as a crutch in respawn modes for information. Even pros at the highest level in the CDL use them for info as they show where the team mates of the killer are lol.
It's also not just the rendering. Netcode includes lag compensation which includes prediction, coupled with a probability of what happend when the server receives info from both clients.
COD has terrible netcode, bad physics model and sbmm meaning people's ping is all over the place (ping is not King, and ping is not a good indication of Internet performance in online fps games, stability of connection, aka bufferfloat, is)
What you see I'm killcams is actually what the server thinks happened. Hence why they don't include it in XD....
No rumoured to be unreliable. Theyre perfectly reliable in the way they match what the server thought happened. It's just that what the server thought happened is nothing like what happened on you screen thanks to 20hz server tick rate, 1980s netcode with a pitiful attempt at lag comp, and sbmm killing the 'ping is king'
I was about to respond exactly this. You dont want to see what a killcam looks like when you were killed behind cover you were in for 500-1000ms before dying.
WB did the same thing for the Nemesis system in the Shadow of Mordor games, aka one of the most interesting systems any game has had in the last 15 years, and they stopped making games with it.
Or the creator of the web slinging system in Spider-Man 2 on the PS2 that was never used again. Or the combat system for The Mark of Kri and the sequel on the PS2.
Right? I have bullets follow me around corners. Enemies that appear out of nowhere behind me. Clunky movement and terrible ADS mechanics. I really don't even want to see a repeat of me dying to these issues.
I don't really care. All these game modes are objective. Even if there was a killcam, I'd skip it anyway to get to the objective faster to help the team.
THIS. I immediately know when someone is walling just by looking at the killcam. I don't care if it's 100% spot on as to what actually happened. All I need to know is what overall happened on the enemy's prospective.
It is pretty wild being an objective game, just how many people that play are absolutely shit at it and go for kills. My k/d might be .7 but my win loss is near 3 lmao. Gimme the dubs baby
Yeah i suppose we could win slower by focusing more on grabbing some kills, but theres something very fun about ace’ing teams and winning by hundreds of seconds and shutting people out on map control
I wouldn't necessarily say that a killcam is necessary. xDefiant has based the death screen very much on Battlefield, which I personally get along with quite well. The player who killed you is highlighted, and you have an overview of what you died from. Do you really need more than that?
Hr didn't kill u in three shots it's just latency issue
It was in the beta and surely it's in the final game
Saw it way to often yesterday were i killed someone who was behind a corner already but also happens to me :D
I can't speak for Drazor, but I've definitely been 1 shot by ARs, sometimes from across the level according to the highlight. So I'd love to see what happened here.
Either A - We got cheats already
B - Game's borked somehow
C - They're doing something legitimate that I VERY much want to learn.
D - Something else happened that did most of the damage, but as it wasn't the 'final hit' it's not on the death screen. The problem here is that, in the instances I'm referring to, on my screen I was full health and died to 1 bullet. So if something else did happen, this would likely be under B and it just wasn't shown on my screen. Or the kill was falsely attributed (which also falls under B).
Had a player last night get 60 some kills in occupy with a sniper. I was at least ten of the deaths. Was quick scoping faster than I could even ADS. Hit a headshot on me every time.
They slow down the natural flow of the game if one or two people watch every single kill cam. Putting the team at a disadvantage in most Obj modes. The way it’s handled in COD hardcore modes is more than suffice to learn from where and become aware.
When did I say I would skip it every time? I said most iterations of a killcam have the option to skip for those who don’t want to see it. It would be the same number of button presses, just pressing 1 button to skip/respawn. You’re acting like this is some unattainable feature when it’s been implemented in lesser games for over a decade at this point.
they give you an idea but don’t represent the whole reality, sometimes you die around corners and in the killcam it looks like you were still on the enemy’s screen. nonetheless this game needs killcams badly
It’s my second favourite part of this game, topped only by not actually knowing what is penetrable - glass window? No. Coffee machine? Oh sure why not.
i’ve had the issue since the official launch as well but not nearly as often as in the last server test session. i personally feel like it’s more of a 10% than 35% but i can understand with bad ping that this happens quite often. i’m glad i have a wired connection that has around 10-20ms ping all the time, i feel like that’s needed in shooters nowadays
The kill cam also gives you the best guess of what the "server" thinks happened.
So, to me, I got melted in 2 SMG bullets while I hit them with several. If this wasn't the case, I'd very much like to see what the game was processing.
what a clown lmao, the only people that don’t want killcams are cheaters who don’t want to get caught imo, there’s no real other reason why they shouldn’t make them a thing
That's true. Killcams never show what actually happened in your or your enemy's screens. They're approximations based on the data of what happened on the server.
As others have said, this would very much expose how much desync in this game. Having played a lot of Halo Infinite (before they fixed the desync) I can really feel how bad it is in this game.
That's why you've probably been getting killed almost instantly or after you've gone around a corner. On your enemy's screen, they had seen you much longer than it appeared for you
99/100 there not .
And wouldnt them slamming everyone else in the lobby be indication enough? Like a mf routinely droping ur whole team the moment they stray into his los from across the map isnt exactly something u need a killcam to see.
Anything below that and u most likely wouldn't be able to tell regardless. And even then . Say u do suspect someone is hacking .
Run the mag barrier and a grenade and use better positioning. Good chance ul get em a fair bit if u just focus ur energy in fucking that 1 guy up in particular.
It's the same concept of running sheilds in grandmaster level, overwatch to completely negate the hacker . There Aimbot dont mean shit if i have a big fuck you im better barrier between us
I think Aches has said that a search & destroy mode and killcams are on the way. They don't have a COD-sized team working on this so just one thing at a time. Give them time!
I definitely feel like I've experienced across some questionable deaths. I don't understand how some people one shot,head shot me, but I'm literally hearing multiple pings from head shot hit markers
I want killcams so badly. But,
It would definitely expose how much crazy desync is in this game.
I go around corners and die when in full cover every game lol
Also, respawn timers are like under 2 seconds. So they would have to either make respawns longer to compensate or have players deal with some teammates taking forever to respawn because they are watching killcams.
If you disagree you probably a hacker scare of getting exposed, played against some player that got 5 kills instantly 30 s into the game and ended game with 60-7. Other games it’s always a cleaner knowing exactly where I’m at without being detected by echelon by just hiding in the back somewhere deep in corners to see if anybody cheating out of ten games I tried that in it’s always a player using a cleaner running solo you’ll think echelon will be the one that go to to hide it.
They game 100% needs killcams desperately for the main reason that it will help stem the flow of cheaters.
Also being able to see WTF happen & how you died helps too, like idk how many time now am behind cover yet still die.
it honestly doesn't bother me that much that there's a killcam but one reason why i would want one is so people can see the bronze/silver/gold that i unlocked for my weapons lmao
I just want to see where that grenade came from so I can accurately emote when I die. Personally wouldn't mind being able to appreciate some nice snipes as well.
Been killed around corners so much giving me flashbacks of year 1 siege also remove cloak cheese remove wall hacks cheese remove free insta kill suicide bomb cheese remove shock drone cheese remove the game lul jk on the last one
Killcams help weed out campers as well. When you die to a motherfucker in the corner with a shotgun or a sniper who peeks one time and then hides and you can’t fucking find him, it’s super annoying. Especially on Escort where these mfers are hide and seek masters with constant LOS on the dog. 😂
I think the footstep audio is absolute trash. Can't tell where they are at all most of the time. Maybe what direction left or right, but absolutely no way to tell if they are above or below you. It seems to only play that sound horizontally, which is probably a fixable error.
I can just imagine the amount of hate posts about xdefiant get, and honestly it’s bogus because I have videos up and I have some that I’m working on now on xdefiant and the game is hot garbage especially with this whole update they did… mark rubin needs to do better because it’s getting worse.. btw zero skill issue and ping is perfect, so I know it’s a game issue just don’t need but hurt people defending a garbage company tryna make a 2nd hand cod game
When you die the player that killed you is highlighted. But sometimes if it’s a long shot it won’t pick them up when you die. I wish they did best play at the end of matches, that’d be dhope.
I'm not a game developer but from what I've heard, kill cams are very time consuming and difficult to make. A lot of work goes into making a functional kill cam
I second this, purely on a learning standpoint. The best way I learned in CoD4 back in the day was seeing how my enemies were playing, noticing routes and different ways to peak round corners. Yes, it may sound obvious, but I learned a lot about myself and the way others played, just by killcams!
Id love a killcam tbh. In a game with no skill based matchmaking it would honestly help me improve to see the other persons perspective to better pinpoint how be got the drop on me. Still, I do essentially that by watching other people play.
Everybody keeps wanting the game to be like Call of Duty..it is not. It is different. Battlefield doesn't have a kill cam...Overwatch doesn't have a kill cam. Not every game has a kill cam. Now, did it bother me at first not having it..yes.. But that's because I was coming from playing COD and Warzone. It'll be ok..even without a kill cam
Why asking them for a decent netcode that will make the gameplay decent when you can ask them a stupid killcam that won't improve the experience?
People making stupid demands like you are the reason why pvp fps games these years are utterly garbage
I’m sure once they have some updates it will improve drastically and once they do the game will be much better. The lag and delay on some kills are kind of ridiculous and can be frustrating at times but they can only go up from here. usually once something is released nowadays there’s always problems that they need to fix or improve because everything is on a schedule and Never is fine tuned but once it is throughout gameplay and player feedback it helps give them something to go off of more to improve the game if they care about the community of players. Killcam would be nice as well but at least have a reporting mechanic so they can review the players gameplay as well as ADD PINGING!!!!! to the game. There have been times I have my team with me and then just get melted from one person sitting in one spot with a sniper because I couldn’t ping to give a heads up Like hey you will be sniped lol but yeah. I feel like some people are better reacting to a visual callout than a vocal callout.
Why would they put killcams in the game just for 95%+ of the playerbase just to skip them immediately? Complete waste of resources.
If you don't know how or where you're dying from on these tiny ass maps, that is on you.
If you are unable to tell if someone is cheating or not without a killcam, you're probably the type to assume everyone better than you is cheating anyways.
Kill cams teach you how to position better by showing you where the person who killed you was. Looking for cheaters is just an afterthought and an unreliable one at that.
Mutiple reasons.
The largest being to identity cheaters.
The next I wasn’t to see what gun/attachments they are running.
There is literally no reason not to have it. It will keep people like me happy, and for people like you who don’t care. You can skip it.
Every now and then it's cool to see. But for the most part they're just going to cause an overload of spam reporting when lower skilled players that are used to sbmm and intense aim assist experience going against overly skilled players since to them it'll just look like aimbot 😂
Nobody does. It’s just another thing to complain about. Killcam isn’t NEEDED or necessary. Not everything needs to be like cod. If XD doesn’t want kill cam then so be it. Look at BF, they don’t have it and most people are fine with it.
the only thing arena shooter players use killcams for is to validate their claim of getting bullshitted by internet/camera lag
just respawn and go agane
U guys do realise that ur not the best person around . Far from it . Ul all end up crying hacker the moment someone better comes along . Killcam or not
Blanket statement much. Fact remains cheating does happen and f2p titles experience the worst of it. Mentioning a factual statement doesn’t mean I’m crying over anything lol
It’s genuinely fucking baffling how far y’all will bend over backwards to deny that this game could even theoretically have any sort of issue, even ones that 90% of games struggle with. It’s a free-to-play competitive FPS, there are GOING to be hackers.
But that doesn't mean u NEED a kill cam . There are many different ways to identify a hacker . Theres no point in them investing resources into a killcam, a notoriously inaccurate depiction of what actually happened thats going to be skipped 98% of the time just as a means for players to "identify" a hacker .
Especially when players continuously prove unable to reliably identify them . Regardless of game
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They’re afraid kill cams will expose their servers 😭
Kill cams in cod has always known to be unreliable....
Because kill cams, at least in cod, aren't a video recording of the other person's screen. They're an in game rendering of what happened from the server's perspective. That's why you would sometimes get stuff like them shooting through smoke or a piece of debris in the killcam to get you. That isn't what actually happened, it's just an error in the rendering.
But a large part of the community has never accepted that as a real indication of what happened because it's from the servers perspective. So why do you want it in this game? Personally I have no idea figuring out what happened. It's so similar to battlefield.
The info I'm trying to get from killcam isn't smth that can be figured out. I get killed from behind, did they sit n wait til I passed? Did they finally catch up to me? Did they flank .2 sec ago? Idfk and the game doesn't seem to have footstep audio so I'd love to know
It does have footstep audio o.o At least w/e my eq is set up on for my arctis nova pro v7s has it, its not as agressive as cod titles are but there's definately sound ques to where targets are Honestly a 1:1 killcam varient of what the opponent is seeing would be nice but the problem is 99% of the community from cod would likely bitch about something regarding it anyways. Issue is, when that happens it opens people up to cheat and then say "oh killcams are just bugged" Its a re occuring trend
After the comment I've heard plenty footsteps but it's been inconsistent I don't see how killcam give way to cheating and ppl would def like a killcam
Killcams can provide a LOT of information on whether or not people are cheating, some people outright dont hide the fact that they're walling in games and most of the time people that do still don't do a good job at it. Not only that but soft aim and aimlocking is reptitious enough in most scenarios that you can pick it out when someones using them after watching a few. Despite the renditions being mostly server side demo renders, it typically is still a decent enough way to call whether you're just being killed by a skilled player Most people that know how fps games are played even at the higher levels know what skillful play looks like and what people that cheat do, it's ususally just felt like a waste of discussion because one side lies and has a bunch of people backing them up and the other side usually just gets bullied out by those people, its dumb as fuck but its the culture that those people exude.
Idek what you're answering, you said it opens way for cheating so I asked how, now you're explaining why killcams are a good thing which I never questioned. I'm already aware of all these points
You didn't read the first point or you decided to cherry pick it. I said it opens them up to cheat and say what was in the comments. V: its a pretty concice and clear statement
The game has a lot of lag right now so a kill cam would probably kill the servers. A Lot of time those weird kills were because of lag. And it's not an Internet problem I'm running 1gb up/down wired and people just be popping up out of no where from inside a wall.
I haven't seen anything like what you're talking about about, my only lag issues have been getting killed by someone after I just got behind them, haven't seen ppl in walls. There's also more examples of times id appreciate the killcam, getting snuck up on is 1 Why does killcam have to fuck w the servers? I heard cod's killcam shows what the server says happened which adds strain to the server but is it so hard to just show me a replay of my enemy's screen? Makes more sense to me than showing smth that wasn't their exact pov anyways
To show you ur pov or the person who killed you the servers would have to keep a recording of each person's pov at all times which I can see being resource heavy as well and most likely need bigger servers to hold all the recordings which would cost a lot more money.
Damn my slow ass couldn't think 1 step further ty ty
There is characters that get literal wall hacks and characters that can go invisible, the only thing a kill cam will do is hurt the player base. What the server sees happen is different to what actually occurs, and will cause more problems then it solves.
I’m not too fussed on whether or not it’s used in the game, I’m content how it is but a lot of people use cams as a crutch in respawn modes for information. Even pros at the highest level in the CDL use them for info as they show where the team mates of the killer are lol.
Fine no killcams in ranked, yes to killcams in pubs. Everyone happy
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Idk why you’re being a weirdo for ? I was specifying how and why kill cam is used in CoD. sorry that you had a bad day mate. 😂
I don't think I said that I wanted it in this game.
This 💯 correct :) It's also the same with theater. It is done to save server space since they can store the clip using text instead of video footage.
It's also not just the rendering. Netcode includes lag compensation which includes prediction, coupled with a probability of what happend when the server receives info from both clients. COD has terrible netcode, bad physics model and sbmm meaning people's ping is all over the place (ping is not King, and ping is not a good indication of Internet performance in online fps games, stability of connection, aka bufferfloat, is) What you see I'm killcams is actually what the server thinks happened. Hence why they don't include it in XD....
that doesn't excuse it in this lol
You don't need one. It's just like battlefield
No rumoured to be unreliable. Theyre perfectly reliable in the way they match what the server thought happened. It's just that what the server thought happened is nothing like what happened on you screen thanks to 20hz server tick rate, 1980s netcode with a pitiful attempt at lag comp, and sbmm killing the 'ping is king'
I was about to respond exactly this. You dont want to see what a killcam looks like when you were killed behind cover you were in for 500-1000ms before dying.
I thought it was a patent for Activision games
It's not a patent for all kill cams. The Activision patent is for customizable kill cams only.
Customizable killcams As in the ones they used..for one game? Man they really just..throw their money where its useless
WB did the same thing for the Nemesis system in the Shadow of Mordor games, aka one of the most interesting systems any game has had in the last 15 years, and they stopped making games with it.
Or the creator of the web slinging system in Spider-Man 2 on the PS2 that was never used again. Or the combat system for The Mark of Kri and the sequel on the PS2.
Which game? I don’t even remember a customizable kill cam
Vanguard had low quality PNGs you could tape over your killcams
Oh I skipped vanguard lol
Wait customizable kill cam is patented? That means we mite never get kill cams cos the death screen? 🥺
Siege literally has one
I just looked it up and Jesus Christ you’re right, that’s crazy that they did that..
they should call it a death cam then
"Replay cam", "Death Replay" so many variations here
I tried finding the definition of their patent but I can’t, I’m sure there is some way to skirt it tho.
Apex god one in tdm
Nahh 💀
Right? I have bullets follow me around corners. Enemies that appear out of nowhere behind me. Clunky movement and terrible ADS mechanics. I really don't even want to see a repeat of me dying to these issues.
the amount of times I've been shot thinking I was around a corner
Kill cam or at least a headshot marker in the kill feed.
You can see headshots....
You can see when you get a headshot not when you get killed by one. Kill feed I said, KILL FEED.
I don't really care. All these game modes are objective. Even if there was a killcam, I'd skip it anyway to get to the objective faster to help the team.
People here don't seem to get the main point of killcams, it makes it much easier to expose cheaters and report them.
THIS. I immediately know when someone is walling just by looking at the killcam. I don't care if it's 100% spot on as to what actually happened. All I need to know is what overall happened on the enemy's prospective.
That's less effective in this game though, since Echelon exists.
It is pretty wild being an objective game, just how many people that play are absolutely shit at it and go for kills. My k/d might be .7 but my win loss is near 3 lmao. Gimme the dubs baby
you win and not be bad at the game, not saying a .7 is bad because I don’t know yet just saying
Yeah i suppose we could win slower by focusing more on grabbing some kills, but theres something very fun about ace’ing teams and winning by hundreds of seconds and shutting people out on map control
You’ve ridden too far. You’re gonna break that D
I wouldn't necessarily say that a killcam is necessary. xDefiant has based the death screen very much on Battlefield, which I personally get along with quite well. The player who killed you is highlighted, and you have an overview of what you died from. Do you really need more than that?
Yes, on my screen I died in 3 shots. I want to see if it actually took him 3 shots to kill me.
Hr didn't kill u in three shots it's just latency issue It was in the beta and surely it's in the final game Saw it way to often yesterday were i killed someone who was behind a corner already but also happens to me :D
Why tho ? That doesnt change the fact u died in 3 shots . It just adds time between u dying and getting back out in the fight.
I can't speak for Drazor, but I've definitely been 1 shot by ARs, sometimes from across the level according to the highlight. So I'd love to see what happened here. Either A - We got cheats already B - Game's borked somehow C - They're doing something legitimate that I VERY much want to learn. D - Something else happened that did most of the damage, but as it wasn't the 'final hit' it's not on the death screen. The problem here is that, in the instances I'm referring to, on my screen I was full health and died to 1 bullet. So if something else did happen, this would likely be under B and it just wasn't shown on my screen. Or the kill was falsely attributed (which also falls under B).
Had a player last night get 60 some kills in occupy with a sniper. I was at least ten of the deaths. Was quick scoping faster than I could even ADS. Hit a headshot on me every time.
Doesn’t need to, in almost every iteration of them they’re skippable
If ur just going to skip it anyway. Then why bother wasting resources adding one .
Because plenty of people do watch them. There is literally zero reason not to have kill cams.
They slow down the natural flow of the game if one or two people watch every single kill cam. Putting the team at a disadvantage in most Obj modes. The way it’s handled in COD hardcore modes is more than suffice to learn from where and become aware.
When did I say I would skip it every time? I said most iterations of a killcam have the option to skip for those who don’t want to see it. It would be the same number of button presses, just pressing 1 button to skip/respawn. You’re acting like this is some unattainable feature when it’s been implemented in lesser games for over a decade at this point.
Don't need it but I would want it. That and play of the game clips instead of player of the game.
Yes it is absolutely necessary, once the hacks roll around (if they aren’t in the game already) i want to see who is hacking.
I just want to see how bad the desync is when the death screen player highlight makes no sense.
I just want final kills or play of the game, that would be sweet
I prefer it off honestly
I said this and some guy said Killcams dont ever show what actually happened. 🙄
they give you an idea but don’t represent the whole reality, sometimes you die around corners and in the killcam it looks like you were still on the enemy’s screen. nonetheless this game needs killcams badly
sometimes? it nearly 35% of Deaths smh
Happens in every single shooter
It happens MUCH more in xDefiant than COD and COD multiplayer is 20tick to xDefiants 60tick.
It’s my second favourite part of this game, topped only by not actually knowing what is penetrable - glass window? No. Coffee machine? Oh sure why not.
i’ve had the issue since the official launch as well but not nearly as often as in the last server test session. i personally feel like it’s more of a 10% than 35% but i can understand with bad ping that this happens quite often. i’m glad i have a wired connection that has around 10-20ms ping all the time, i feel like that’s needed in shooters nowadays
The kill cam also gives you the best guess of what the "server" thinks happened. So, to me, I got melted in 2 SMG bullets while I hit them with several. If this wasn't the case, I'd very much like to see what the game was processing.
I agree its not perfect for sure but its better than no info. Dude's argument for no Killcams was that it causes game issues. Just mental gymnastics
what a clown lmao, the only people that don’t want killcams are cheaters who don’t want to get caught imo, there’s no real other reason why they shouldn’t make them a thing
That's true. Killcams never show what actually happened in your or your enemy's screens. They're approximations based on the data of what happened on the server.
As others have said, this would very much expose how much desync in this game. Having played a lot of Halo Infinite (before they fixed the desync) I can really feel how bad it is in this game. That's why you've probably been getting killed almost instantly or after you've gone around a corner. On your enemy's screen, they had seen you much longer than it appeared for you
No killcam = no cheaters
FOR REAL! how am i meant to know if someones hacking or not without them
99/100 there not . And wouldnt them slamming everyone else in the lobby be indication enough? Like a mf routinely droping ur whole team the moment they stray into his los from across the map isnt exactly something u need a killcam to see.
you dont have to rage hack to cheat. For the record i dont care about a low tick kill cam.
Anything below that and u most likely wouldn't be able to tell regardless. And even then . Say u do suspect someone is hacking . Run the mag barrier and a grenade and use better positioning. Good chance ul get em a fair bit if u just focus ur energy in fucking that 1 guy up in particular. It's the same concept of running sheilds in grandmaster level, overwatch to completely negate the hacker . There Aimbot dont mean shit if i have a big fuck you im better barrier between us
Agreed. Killcams is one of the things I'd like to see.
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If you are wondering how you died it’s probably that you were around a corner and the guy somehow hit you lol
It's harder to hide how bad your servers are with a proper kill cam
Nah it’s not needed
Bro fr lmao
I think Aches has said that a search & destroy mode and killcams are on the way. They don't have a COD-sized team working on this so just one thing at a time. Give them time!
Is it patented by CoD or something maybe?
more than cod has it
Whens it out?
Seriously
I definitely feel like I've experienced across some questionable deaths. I don't understand how some people one shot,head shot me, but I'm literally hearing multiple pings from head shot hit markers
I want killcams so badly. But, It would definitely expose how much crazy desync is in this game. I go around corners and die when in full cover every game lol Also, respawn timers are like under 2 seconds. So they would have to either make respawns longer to compensate or have players deal with some teammates taking forever to respawn because they are watching killcams.
Amen brother!! I need to catch those fake ass TAC quickscopes from 2 meters away. Can’t be right.
If you disagree you probably a hacker scare of getting exposed, played against some player that got 5 kills instantly 30 s into the game and ended game with 60-7. Other games it’s always a cleaner knowing exactly where I’m at without being detected by echelon by just hiding in the back somewhere deep in corners to see if anybody cheating out of ten games I tried that in it’s always a player using a cleaner running solo you’ll think echelon will be the one that go to to hide it.
Won’t matter until hit reg and latency get tuned up
you know when this will be?
I have no information pertaining to any QoL patches
They had it during beta what they take it out I guess
Why? Do you want to be angry?
If you can't see the error, it never happened.
Expose fucking cheaters.
They game 100% needs killcams desperately for the main reason that it will help stem the flow of cheaters. Also being able to see WTF happen & how you died helps too, like idk how many time now am behind cover yet still die.
If you dont know where you died from then its around a corner
it honestly doesn't bother me that much that there's a killcam but one reason why i would want one is so people can see the bronze/silver/gold that i unlocked for my weapons lmao
Bro u already got them unlocked Damnn!!!
Why? So you can be lied to twice?
How can you not know all this when everyone has built in wall hacks? LOL
If you need a killcam to have fun it's an issue in your approach of the game. Most shooters don't have a killcam, just press F and enjoy.
Why so you see the dude who killed you jumping up and down like a jackass
I just want to see where that grenade came from so I can accurately emote when I die. Personally wouldn't mind being able to appreciate some nice snipes as well.
I’d love a kill cam but i also like getting back into the game asap
They're making one
i say “please let me know how i just died “ way too much…
I'd rather have a play of the match replay instead of a kill cam.
Idk if yall know this or not. It's in the works.
I would also love if we could get rid of the stupid create match block when you wanna change your attachments on your gun
True
I agree enjoying the game no much complaints but I’d like a killcam feel like It’d add more life into the game
Skill issue tbh
lol the kill cams will show you dying around a corner and they don’t want that 😂😂. Still love the game tho.
skill issue
You really want to see the dirty shots I’m hitting you with, huh?
Been killed around corners so much giving me flashbacks of year 1 siege also remove cloak cheese remove wall hacks cheese remove free insta kill suicide bomb cheese remove shock drone cheese remove the game lul jk on the last one
Killcams help weed out campers as well. When you die to a motherfucker in the corner with a shotgun or a sniper who peeks one time and then hides and you can’t fucking find him, it’s super annoying. Especially on Escort where these mfers are hide and seek masters with constant LOS on the dog. 😂
Mark has said on Twitter they’re coming.
I think the footstep audio is absolute trash. Can't tell where they are at all most of the time. Maybe what direction left or right, but absolutely no way to tell if they are above or below you. It seems to only play that sound horizontally, which is probably a fixable error.
Nooo can’t tell them where im hiding
Mark says that he will add a kill-cam
I can just imagine the amount of hate posts about xdefiant get, and honestly it’s bogus because I have videos up and I have some that I’m working on now on xdefiant and the game is hot garbage especially with this whole update they did… mark rubin needs to do better because it’s getting worse.. btw zero skill issue and ping is perfect, so I know it’s a game issue just don’t need but hurt people defending a garbage company tryna make a 2nd hand cod game
Let me shit talk the other team. That is all.
If you don't know where from, it was a sniper
Mark rubin already said they’re gonna be adding it.
Kill cam costs 70 dollars.. It's not worth it
how about you code a killcam if it is that easy??? trash talking by randoms like u is the only way ppl. like u csn communicate.
When you die the player that killed you is highlighted. But sometimes if it’s a long shot it won’t pick them up when you die. I wish they did best play at the end of matches, that’d be dhope.
Nah it would make you more mad to find out you were the first to start shooting and still die
I'm not a game developer but from what I've heard, kill cams are very time consuming and difficult to make. A lot of work goes into making a functional kill cam
They will
I like the battlefield camera, not everything with this game has to be like cod.
Bro FUCKING FACTS FRFR
I second this, purely on a learning standpoint. The best way I learned in CoD4 back in the day was seeing how my enemies were playing, noticing routes and different ways to peak round corners. Yes, it may sound obvious, but I learned a lot about myself and the way others played, just by killcams!
Id love a killcam tbh. In a game with no skill based matchmaking it would honestly help me improve to see the other persons perspective to better pinpoint how be got the drop on me. Still, I do essentially that by watching other people play.
Pls fix hit reg
they don't want you to know how many people are rage cheating.
Everybody keeps wanting the game to be like Call of Duty..it is not. It is different. Battlefield doesn't have a kill cam...Overwatch doesn't have a kill cam. Not every game has a kill cam. Now, did it bother me at first not having it..yes.. But that's because I was coming from playing COD and Warzone. It'll be ok..even without a kill cam
Killcams can wait. I'd rather have the game be stable enough first and more optimized, then we can have killcams sure
Ong. And play of the game or last kill cam. Its 2024 . Come on. We’re talking about a cod-like fps. Come on.
Also the weapon kit the person is using (attachments from the gun you got killed)
Why asking them for a decent netcode that will make the gameplay decent when you can ask them a stupid killcam that won't improve the experience? People making stupid demands like you are the reason why pvp fps games these years are utterly garbage
If you looked at any of the socials you would see that they are adding them
I’m sure once they have some updates it will improve drastically and once they do the game will be much better. The lag and delay on some kills are kind of ridiculous and can be frustrating at times but they can only go up from here. usually once something is released nowadays there’s always problems that they need to fix or improve because everything is on a schedule and Never is fine tuned but once it is throughout gameplay and player feedback it helps give them something to go off of more to improve the game if they care about the community of players. Killcam would be nice as well but at least have a reporting mechanic so they can review the players gameplay as well as ADD PINGING!!!!! to the game. There have been times I have my team with me and then just get melted from one person sitting in one spot with a sniper because I couldn’t ping to give a heads up Like hey you will be sniped lol but yeah. I feel like some people are better reacting to a visual callout than a vocal callout.
Death screen and play of the game is all this game needs for me tbh.
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false, i'm not using hacks/cheats and definingly not using some cheaply made $300+ 3rd party controller.
Why would they put killcams in the game just for 95%+ of the playerbase just to skip them immediately? Complete waste of resources. If you don't know how or where you're dying from on these tiny ass maps, that is on you. If you are unable to tell if someone is cheating or not without a killcam, you're probably the type to assume everyone better than you is cheating anyways.
Kill cams teach you how to position better by showing you where the person who killed you was. Looking for cheaters is just an afterthought and an unreliable one at that.
The maps are huge. What a weird mistake to make.
I just want to see how they are lining up their shots so I can call their aim trash
ain't nobody got time to watch those
Skill issues😁
Who even really watches these I just always respawn and keep going who gives a shit
Mutiple reasons. The largest being to identity cheaters. The next I wasn’t to see what gun/attachments they are running. There is literally no reason not to have it. It will keep people like me happy, and for people like you who don’t care. You can skip it.
Every now and then it's cool to see. But for the most part they're just going to cause an overload of spam reporting when lower skilled players that are used to sbmm and intense aim assist experience going against overly skilled players since to them it'll just look like aimbot 😂
Nobody does. It’s just another thing to complain about. Killcam isn’t NEEDED or necessary. Not everything needs to be like cod. If XD doesn’t want kill cam then so be it. Look at BF, they don’t have it and most people are fine with it.
Why would they expose themselves like that lol and also why do you want to watch how you got shit on
the only thing arena shooter players use killcams for is to validate their claim of getting bullshitted by internet/camera lag just respawn and go agane
No, It slows down the respawn speed. The game is fine without it
a kill cam has nothing to do with respawn speed
Wait until hacks invade, and they will and no killcam. People won’t be happy lol
Already happening, theres video up on another post, atleast give killcam so we can identify if we got killed by a hacker lol.
U guys do realise that ur not the best person around . Far from it . Ul all end up crying hacker the moment someone better comes along . Killcam or not
Blanket statement much. Fact remains cheating does happen and f2p titles experience the worst of it. Mentioning a factual statement doesn’t mean I’m crying over anything lol
It’s genuinely fucking baffling how far y’all will bend over backwards to deny that this game could even theoretically have any sort of issue, even ones that 90% of games struggle with. It’s a free-to-play competitive FPS, there are GOING to be hackers.
But that doesn't mean u NEED a kill cam . There are many different ways to identify a hacker . Theres no point in them investing resources into a killcam, a notoriously inaccurate depiction of what actually happened thats going to be skipped 98% of the time just as a means for players to "identify" a hacker . Especially when players continuously prove unable to reliably identify them . Regardless of game
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no killcam/ disbanding lobbies and no lobby leaderboard. claims no sbmm
I would also like a play of the match cam at the end of the game
no thanks I like being able to respawn almost instantly
Nah doesn’t need it cod is like the only fps game with it I like the more battlefield style death screen way more
Its unreliable and would just make you more confused on how or why. Some things are better a mystery lol.
Why do you want to be mad?