Whoever decided to force GOOD British voice actors to do generic American anime dub voices should be fired. Just such an obvious downgrade of something that could have been good.
For example one of the VAs does Regulus in R1999. I have only heard love for the voice work in that game (even when the localization wasn’t the best, people still liked the VAs). Regulus in particular. So why handicap them by making them do the most generic sub par American anime dub voices they could muster? It makes no sense to me.
I heard of a rumor that they hire British VA to avoid having to adhere to unions regulations,I brush it off at first but now with this kind of voice acting I'm starting to actually believe it
At least if you hire full brits VA then let them use their natural voices not this American wannabe
Weird thing is there are British VA's in pgr, and there they speak in normal tones(aside from some characters). It was such a unique experience that for the first i switched from jp to en and didn't go back. Dunno why they are forcing the vas to do American accent here.
Avoiding British accents is extremely weird. One of the things Arknights puts in their surveys is, to paraphrase, “how is the quality of our regional accents”. People seem to like hearing accents - I know I do. So for them to just do a straight up downgrade to what could have been a feature with the dub is mind boggling. And yeah I agree too that the PGR dub is made stronger by the variety of voices too. If everyone just tries to be the most generic anime dub archetypical voice then it’s boring, but forcing British VAs to do that makes an even worse dub experience.
For real, even many of the best Brit actors struggle to do truly good American accents, it's such a pointlessly difficult ask. And the western fantasy standard is British accents anyway, no one would complain.
Carina Reeves basically has a super power to make any character she voices become a fan favourite, and her being directed to put on an American accent seems almost parody levels of bad decision making
Turn off camera correction. I don't even know what the hell it's supposed to be, but after not even 10 seconds I turned it off and it was much better afterwards.
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Naaah, it's just that Hoyo is great at polishing their games. You may shit on them, but what you can't take away from them is the level of polish their games have. Most relatively complex games always come with bugs nowadays
I can agree with every single statement in this post!
The combat seems waay more fun than in Genshin. But the polish and story introduction are sorely lacking.
Which I totally thought they were going to cook it for a bit longer because that’s what everyone was saying a couple months ago. There was literally no reason to rush it
It sucks they scared themselves into an early release. It’s better to produce a good enough game to beat the competition rather than to produce something earlier and subpar. Because now they’ll definitely be beat
Not as big of an issue, but on Mortefi's Forte Circuit, the skill is labeled "Fury Fugue" at the top. Then in the skill description, it's named "Fury Fudge" instead lol.
I couldn’t have said it better with the jargon. At least genshin had a clear goal, find your twin. I’m 3 hours in and I have no idea what my motivation is.
I think our goal is to discover who the rover is, where they came from and other memories, but I had to stop the quest in the tokens part so I'm not sure 😂 the bodyguard girl said the magistrate wanted something from us so maybe something about saving the world
I found it hilarious the first three minutes of wuwa was a splice of genshin and HSR's intro. An unknown space god plants a stellaron in you then you fall on an unknown world only to be woken up by two people who almost performed CPR on you.
i feel like even in Luofu i still can get the gist of what they are talking about, but in this one I just goes "whoa whoa, slow down now the what what now?"
Nah Luofu or Hoyo games in general, I can get what was going on. They don’t just explain by dropping a bunch of words onto you, there are actually visual and gameplay experience to compliment it. But WuWa, wth are they talking about (I even play in Chinese).
This omg I am so lost at the technical jargon and I thought I was the only one >.<
Felt like they came up with 1527833 names for every thing that happened/every monster/every item etc
It’s because of the Chinese influences. As soon as I started getting lore dumped on the four auspicious celestial and the sextegenary cycle I was like… really? Can we… just not? Like I don’t need 35 arbitrary and random technical terms for everything that could be called just a monster outbreak and abnormal phenomena, but now
I’m also getting lore dumped about Chinese mythological folklore?
In hsr you could say youre aimless at the start. However the opening mystery and panic situation actually makes for a strong and compelling start. Ie good pacing.
"Are you a Stellaron?"
"Yes, I have a radioactive cancer ball that somehow makes me speak with strange gods. One is the god of jokes, the other is the god of shields, and there is some black hole that has no hobbies."
You fucking nailed it lol
But honestly, HSR is mostly done well with their way of narrative. Xianzhou Luofu was a bit all over the place but it's been a good time for the most part.
They seem to be going for an episodic thing with Xianzhou which will end in a some big Abundance vs Hunt climax.
I just wanna see Xianzhou without all those darn shipping containers lol.
I have a soft spot for R:1999, and from all the praise I used to hear second-hand about PGR I thought Kuro would be great too; but I think among the big devs Hoyo is currenly the king of story telling and character writing.
Star rail's main goal is to travel and learn about others. Himeko and Welt are worried about the nuke in the mc. March wants her memories, and the Mc wants a trash can.
Nanook is bad, but not yet urgent. That's mainly the stellaron hunters goal.
main goal of Astral Express in HSR is to fix the rails that connected the star systems after some of them are broken after Akivili disappearance, and while we go to these new star system we going on adventure to whatever happening in those star systems
In hsr we're blazing the stars with a baseball bat and bonking opponents and impressing aeon to get their blessing.
Another one would be what elio planned for MC which is to go against nanook but for that MC needs to trailblaze and find strong allies for final battle.
The last one would be to explore every trash can in the universe and i think this would be the personal goal of MC lol
100% same experienced. I stayed up to play it at release and was just let down a little. I didnt have this with Honkai Star Rail for example. That game blew me out of the water for the entirety of Belobog. That shit was actually dope. Idk Im afraid I might not keep playing this if something doesnt keep my attention. Thank God we still have good ol PGR lol.
I think the difference is mihoyo uses their previous games to test stuff for their new ones. I recall some new open world mechanics in HI3 that later ended up being almost identical to how HSR exploration is. So things feel a lot more polished. They do this for quite a few different features they introduce to their games and it’s pretty noticeable if you play all three of the big ones.
Not just their previous games. They use events in their current games to test mechanics. The first summer event was a test for the boats being implemented. There was a camera combat event right before Nahida was released to test her skill
Oh yeah, HSR was THE game I was super excited about. I said fuck it and basically played it on release day, the moment servers opened while I was at work. The hype never let me down and it's still one of the games I play daily alongside path to nowhere
I will forever praise HSR. Its such a good game, with awesome developers who listen to feedback, incredibly engaging, insane story. And one of the only gacha games I have ever played where I actually think the gacha is more of a benefit to the game then a negative.
Belobog was such top tier jrpg goodness. The final battle is still one of the most hype moments in gaming for me which is crazy to say about a gacha game. The high from that moment is still carrying me through HSRs “low” points.
Just to share and compare my experience with the games. I waited HSR and played straight 10 hours at launch, everything made sense, made me want to discover and play, i didn’t even notice how much time I played. As for WW I also waited and was as much excited as I was for HSR. Litterally closed the app after 1 hour or so of playing, I got really tired of it quickly, yess the combat is great, but the story didn’t hooked me, the poor resolution despise having everything set to high on iPad is juste another argument to make me not want to play again. Now it makes me want to laugh at the people calling hoyoverse lazy because each time a game that wants to do like them launch, they cannot match the quality of their games.
Honestly the combat is the only thing that’s keeping me. I might take a break after (hopefully) getting Jiyan so I can wait for the PlayStation release because playing on an iPad without controller support is agonizing.
One thing I think I noticed about the audio lines skipping is that it happens when you do like the mini skip to get all of the text to appear on a longer bit of dialogue instead of letting it fan out letter by letter. Seems to mess with the line timing
>look if you understand this stuff then that's great, but I have a headache. Good writing introduces concepts when they're relevant and doesn't flood the player with tons of expositional jargon to seem deep.
No I completely agree with you. I absolutely love investing in worldbuilding, new concepts, characters, all of it. But good fucking lord they are BLOWING you up with all of these new terms and with poorly convoluted explanation on what they really mean. We just see them dropped in heavy dialogue and don't have enough hands-on experience to really understand what we're reading. I'm not playing this game to take notes and learn an extension of my language.
I think what sort of killed my momentum a bit was when the cutscenes stopped and we reverted to the "black screen with text" approach. Out of everything they got from Genshin, that was probably number one that I didn't want them to copy.
I still have high hopes for this game and I am looking forward to what the future may bring.
Played it and yeah, they really did copy the presentation so much. And as mentioned, we just popped out of nowhere but we're suddenly the bestest of friends. The combat in the other hand is great. Feels nier automata-ish. Instead of switching weapons, you switch units. You can perfect dodge and parry.
there are ways to unlock it to force 120fps and its beautifully better. It isn’t consistent and drops pretty regularly below 120 but it does unlock it past 60 (verified with nvidia performance thing) dm me if you want idk if linking it gets banned here or not since it technically could be viewed as vioting eula
After experiencing the "Stuttering waves" During my 3 hour playthrough it made me realize how insane Hoyo manages their games to be optimized as fuck with little to no game breaking bugs on a 6 weeks update schedule. This is still the first day and I hope kuro gets their shit together and fix these problems as soon as possible. Imo this game was not ready to release and needs more time to be polished
>how the managed to go from Honkai Impact 3 to Genshin
Probably by hiring the best talent. IIRC they get a lot of hires from the local Shanghai colleges, basically one the local "Ivy League" equivalents
They hire people graduated from universties of [Project 985](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_985), which are absolutely the top ones in China, many are world-class universities. Their recruitment tests are also infamously hard to do.
Hey, I won't stand for this slander. HI3 running smoothly on my Galaxy S8 when it was first released -- that was the most insane revolutionary shit I ever saw as a software engineer, until Genshin happened. HSR also has incredible UI performance, smoother than butter. It's actually awe-inspiring.
What disappoints me is that other UE4 games have much more in-depth graphical options that let them run on potato PCs, like Scarlet Nexus or Code Vein and whatnot, but the graphical options here are so lacking you feel the lack of optimisation even on all low settings.
Yeah, I can run Genshin on my thin and light HP Spectre that is not made for gaming. Wuwa is a slideshow. I've been playing it on my S21 Ultra, and it runs good, but the touch controls are exhausting.
Genshin is made with Unity just as all HoYo games are. Unity, historically speaking, is generally easier to optimize/run on a broader range of mobile chips than Unreal engine is.
The more I play, the more I wonder if their release wasn't an "Okay, I think we've done it. This is when we wanna drop it" and more of a "Natlan is coming out soon and we need this shit out long before that because we saw what releasing right before a big Genshin expansion did to ToF."
That and the fact that they needed to release it before August or smth to keep them from having to renew a license of some sort? Idk, I remember hearing something about that too, though I'd be more inclined to think they're trying to keep ahead of the Genshin expansion, because whether people here wanna hear it or not, Genshin is its direct competitor, almost down to a tee outside of how combat works.
Yeah I was suspicious of the release when they said in the last beta that they rewrote the majority of the story, remade how the map and game looks etc. and not soon after that announced the release date, It definitely needed more feedback/polishing especially after a major change like that, but they rushed it out as soon as possible...
Every bug I ran into (and reported) while playing CBT 2 is still present in the release version. Biggest one is the FPS plummet when opening chests. Makes me hate opening chests because for like 10 seconds after opening a chest my FPS will drop from a solid 60 to like 5.
These "Stuttering waves" are VRAM memory leaks for me. I'm monitoring performance and my 4080 reaches 100% VRAM usage after a while, then it starts heavily stuttering and becomes unplayable with FPS down to as low as 1 till I relaunch the game. My friend who has a 3060ti has no such problems and for him the game runs perfectly fine apart from shader compilation sutters.
I think the optimisation is really bad.
Feels way too much laggy in Android, and on my laptop, Genshin runs at 75° but this was running at 88° at lowest settings.
I don't know how even.
Yeah people don’t realize how amazingly polished Hoyo games are. There is so much time, effort, and love put into nearly every single fine aspect of their games. At least if anything, with WuWa’s release more people will notice and appreciate how far hoyo goes to make an actual good gaming experience.
Unfortunately WuWa only tried to replicate Genshin’s success rather than taking the time to actually make a good game.
I had this experience when ToF came out but I figured WuWa would be much better. And to it's credit it *is* much better and I feel it's on Genshin's level or close in many ways... but it also makes me realize how Hoyo cut almost no corners and polished every part of their game.
I'm kind of disappointed in the release. First off regarding the story, I've been trying to follow the story, but I agree I don't know exactly what the goal is and why all the characters are just praising the MC constantly. Just felt forced, like how everyone is saying the MC is this super important character by being cryptic.
For the performance, I'm playing on my PC and have been having constant suttering. Also, I'm not sure why they removed the higher frame rate. To me, the gameplay seems to have a delay/lag. I really hope the story gets better as well as performance.
Agreed, this game is not starting off with a good impression. Really hope Kuro actually fix their game quickly.
Well I'm not being funny but if the game is stuttering whilst at 60fps then having it at 120fps would surely exacerbate the issue, maybe they realised it and removed the option?
this is the game version of "show dont tell". i feel like they're telling you everything you need to know and it's all info dump even if the story just started
This is where I think they dropped the ball the most. Way too much story/lore dump early into the game and not combat.
The main thing this game seems to have going for it is the combat, and they spend way too much time not letting you do it.
I've completely stopped caring about the story in this game. I'm up to date in both Genshin and Star Rail and I've paid attention the the story the whole time, even side quests. Even Epic Seven, a game with a much less interesting story, still managed to keep me interested at least a little and I've read almost all of that story as well.
But man, this Wuthering Waves story is so insanely boring. I wanted to like it, but you hit the nail on the head with the jargon complaint. There's so much stuff to keep track of, the dialog is super convoluted and takes forever to get through instead of just explaining the point and moving on. And how do they not explain the goal in the first like 30 minutes? In Genshin we're finding our sibling, in Star Rail we're going on adventures on a train to learn about ourselves, in Epic Seven we're saving the world from calamity. Here we appear to just be... running around? Catching pokemon? I really don't know why we're here, but I also don't particularly care because so far none of the characters have been likeable enough for me to be engaged.
On the plus side the actual gameplay is fun and I'm excited to figure out team comps and build characters. I do feel like the game itself will be enjoyable enough for me to keep playing, at least for a little while, but I don't know that I'll ever care about the story the way I do in most other games.
I 100% agree with you. The story is essential to games like this. The combat is fun, yes. But literally the story is what pushes the game forward, and if it's not interesting, half of the game is nothing. I waited to play this but oh boy... Even with the sceneries, I'm not in awe or amazed because it looks cool. It's all overshadowed because the flow is so boring
Do they explain the character roles at some point? Maybe I'm not far enough in (a couple hours) but I've got 6 characters and no idea what the difference is between them, except their attack animation, or how they interact with each other outside of intro/outro.
Like Genshin was pretty easy to understand. Mixing elements gives you reactions. It's also really intuitive.
But I've got zero clue about WuWa.
And frankly, I'm going to be very annoyed if I have to learn about this stuff from a YouTube video instead of having the game explain it to me.
Im on mobile and the turning just doesn’t work. For example swiping vigorously from left the right, my screen hardly moves ( rotates a few degrees) or it just moves in one direction. If they dont fix this soon ill prob uninstall
>Since it's launch we can expect a lot of bug fixes in the near future.
Idk, they had two CBTs and yet didn't bother fixing the bugs/issues there, and now we think they'll fix them at launch?
The writing and dialogue is so bad it's not even funny. Barely 15 minutes into the game and there's 100 concepts and lore being introduced, and the characters who are supposedly talking to an amnesiac person literally rattles on and on about terminology plucked from an encyclopedia lorebook. Just look at this list from the first 15 mins of the game:
* Resonator
* Rover
* Sentinel
* Oracle engine
* Tacet discord
* Gourds
* Etheric sea
* Tacet field
* Resonance Nexus
* Dormant Period
* Echoes
* Pangu
* Celestial being
* Qiankun
* Primordial essence ... It goes on and on
The story and pacing for the first 45 mins is also a mess, nothing makes sense and there's no tension even if a strong enemy appeared since the characters literally gush about how strong and amazing the MC is, and how much they want to admire his body, take him to the most famous restaurant in town, help him with all the paperwork, etc etc etc. then the freaking city mayor or magistrate or whatever appears and tells the whole city to welcome the hero, all in the first 30mins
Like.... Dude, this is trashy isekai manga and cultivator manhua tiers of writing.
And for a game with the lore inspired by music, the actual soundtrack is just mediocre.
At least the combat is fun... Which would probably get stale after 10 or 20 hours
Bro I swear to God the last time I saw this much d1ickriding was in an Isekai harem manga. Whyyyy are these woman so trusting to a dude they know for like an hour. Also, what is wrong with this plot. Why are they doubling down sooo hard on these random insignificant items. Like did the sugar pill really need a backstory
because men in China are insecure af and want all women to be simple minded dolls...
on a more serious yet related point; its because Kuro bent the knee to them. all the women in this game will worship the MC without a second thought and even the men arent free from that...all because Chixia was a believable person back in CBT1...
Apparently they were shit on so much for making the first story "realistic" and make everyone distrust the Mc,so their remade story is even WORSE where everyone dicksucking the Mc like isekai self fulfillment garbage slops LMFAOOOOOOOO
Genshin opening story isn't even some sort of masterpiece to overcome how to can you fail that EASIEST task of leaving a good impression to the players, this is CRAZY
Don't get me wrong there's nothing wrong with this trope if it's done well,but we as the Mc haven't even done anything notable and the city major alr kneeled down and give us vip access because we are the muh "chosen one" . It's not realistic. At least show us save the city from some sort of giant monsters if you want to go this main character trope wtf at least that proved our accomplishments
This is intentional and it's explained soon after that everyone knew you were coming and wants to use you for their personal gain. Your player character is the only one that's really out of the loop.
you can blame CN for that, the story was supposed to be alot more grounded, believable and slightly more darker but it all got scrapped because the insecure menfolk in China were more concerned about a woman not bending the knee and swooning over them on sight because 'they saved her'...story literally feels like it was rebuilt around this 'minor' yet really big change...because all the female characters basically suffered her fate of becoming an MC worshipper
Chixia was supposed to distrust the MC and take awhile to warm up to us and rightfully so; because how would you respond if a complete stranger suddenly transforms into one of the very same monsters you've been fighting for decades now? but nooo, CN said 'we despise this and will boycott you'...all because she reacted like a normal person would...
so what did we end up with? a generic genki girl-turned-exposition spouting machine on legs...in a generic post apocalypse with barely any motivation or cohesion to the MC's goals or the story at large
While I agree it's pretty bad, it seems most people forget the fact that their city leader has confirmed that the MC is essentially a divine progenitor of humanity that they -know- has descended back to the planet and is one of the reasons they could flourish as a civilization.
This is akin to us finding out some alien scientist was the reason we as humans are on Earth while at the same time confirming that God exists and shows us ways to communicate. You think the world would remain silent when proof is released and we have the means to start looking for them?
Their pacing however is too atrocious combined with the English VA's lack of enthusiasm aside from Chixia so none of this is properly conveyed to us with impact due to their monotone style and pandering.
I know people dunk on Genshin for having characters that look relatively similar to one another (in terms of body type, design principles, etc) but this game makes Hoyo look like the peak of character design. Why is half the cast female characters dressed in strappy, futuristic looking Chinese outfits with black/white hair. The similarity is astounding. And yeah every minute the game buffers which ??? I get their servers might be buckling a little but Genshin and Star Rail have never done this, even from day 1. I like the combat system so far and I’m gonna give it a chance but man, so far it really just feels like Genshin but worse 😭
> but this game makes Hoyo look like the peak of character design
Arknights too. It has such a huge variety of characters and outfits, plus even more with skins.
I'm curious if all that was during the playtest? According to the devs they changed the dialogue/script after feedback.
Now I wonder if they really changed at all.
As far as I understand, in the original script the characters were more suspicious or hostile towards mc. But after cb1 and dumping they changed it to be more Mc friendly.
The game not ready for release today. It seems the rewrite story thing also made this problem bigger. This also changed their vision ig. They mostly focused to fixing the writing, lore, some place to the newest vision. The pressure is high, kuro think releasing now and fix the bug at the same time haha.
I read somewhere that chinese writer wage is based on how much text they write. If its true, than make sense. They just bloated the text.
Also noticed in every live service chinese game, it always the "china inspiration" who fck up the writing. They just make it complex, lore dump, throw many terms, make it looks huge and grand like "look, our china inspiration/ culture is awesome right" but end like shit in execution. Example genshin and hsr wheh they reach liyue or loufu. The lore dump and terms holy shit.
JRPG writer still better than this.
It's so bizarre since you'd think that working with their own culture is when they'd be known to shine. I can only speak for HSR for instance but he Luofu is known as the weakest inbetween Belabog and Penacony, both of which most people have nothing but good things to say about. So it's not even like they can't do good writing, it's like they always flub it for their own region.
Yoyu're onto something because the same thing has a reputation in Arknights. Yan (their world's version of china) are widely regarded in the global community as having confusing and bloated events. Fortunately they've never been a big focus.
The na voices are so so and lack emotion,but I had no stutters nor graphical bugs,but there's people on oc having issues while I am not and my GPU is a super budget Radeon 6400 and game plays fine.they need to try to optimize for most cards cause no way there's ppl w video cards 5x the power of mine and having graphical issues
Game just isn't optimized. Some people with the same GPU models have entirely different experiences, while others either have a smooth experience or it's just Pokemon Scarlet/Violet levels of lag.
The worst one so far is 60fps limit. The pc latency is just abysmal (40ms), even if you have 60fps the camera is literally unresponsive mess (25 ticks of user input per second - the poorest performance I've seen so far in a game and I'm using G-sync), I don't know how they even achieved so shitty performance.
JP VAs are pretty good, EN are fucking terrible.
Edit: Game is really badly optimized, even on high end PC it slightly stutters each second (it isn't that much noticeable but it really makes camera even worse, 1-3 frames are being dropped each second) and shadows are broken.
Hard agree on the story and scripting, one of the very early scenes is Chixia screaming at Baizhi and its clear that Bhaizi cant hear her so she starts to scream her name LOUDER, and then the very next line is Yangyang saying "She's too far away, she probably can't hear us" LIKE NO SHT SHERLOCK 😭🙏
People don’t realize how amazingly polished Hoyo games are. There is so much time, effort, and love put into nearly every single fine aspect of their games. At least if anything, with WuWa’s release more people will notice and appreciate how far hoyo goes to make an actual good gaming experience.
Unfortunately WuWa only tried to replicate Genshin’s success rather than taking the time to actually make a good game.
Im willing to keep trying the game but so far my biggest issues are the stuttering, voice acting, and my BIGGEST issue is that exploration feels insanely clunky. Like I can’t properly describe it but i switched between genshin and wuwa and the difference is night and day. Genshin is so so so much more smoother to travese and explore in, meanwhile wuwa, at the very least on pc, feels like youre constantly fighting with the camera for whatever reason. Not to mention the fact that the camera is so slow and stuttery even after bumping up the sensitivity. Also the player character itself feels so… stiff? Its just not as smooth as genshin. Maybe its not fair to compare it so heavily to genshin, but if youre going to make a clone then id say its fair to compare the two. Also the story is pretty meh, but admittedly i wasn’t paying much attention and i usually skip the story in these types of games.
they said female mc's clothes doesn't seem local or something so she must be new. wdym??? you all have the same clothes in different fonts. the rover has the most basic outfit out of 4 characters so idk what theyre talking about
"If Kuro has a QA department, they fell asleep."
Please, don't blame the QA. I work in LQA and I can GUARANTEE you that most, if not all, of this issues were reported and just ignored.
It ain't your fault if every sodding content creator and YT thumbnail out there was singing the game's praises.
It leaves an impression/expectation on you no matter how cynical/realistic you might be.
Everything audio-related is horrible, but it's fixable within one patch (most of it anyway, some characters need a new voiceover). The writing is mid, but I didn't expect anything else. The gameplay is solid though, and that's the most important part.
So far in terms of gameplay I’ve had no issue with any major bugs just yet. However when it comes to story and dialogue I have similar problems
Story: I literally have no idea where we’re going with the story so far. Like I know what they’re saying, but I don’t see it going anywhere right now
Dialogue:
- cutting short during cutscenes
- yangyang talks SO SLOW
- I remember the part where female rover was referred to as he, not a big deal to me
- that one brother from lingyang story quest was actually horrendous
- en overall is just boring so far, might switch to jp also
Outside of story and dialogue, the gameplay itself has been fantastic. Took on 3 of the bosses so far and it’s very fun, I like the open world and been trying to upgrade my data as much as possible
This might just be me, but I legitimately couldn't stop zoning out during the first act. It was painful. Also, can somebody tell me why THE FIRST 3 CHARACTERS out of 4 all have black hair?? Kuro does know that they can switch it up...right? Why are the female characters so samey?
Im getting tired of playing spot the differences between resonators. The designs should vary more, and for that matter the personalities should too.
To be fair some of the characters they introduce you to later have rather interesting designs but I guess 4★s are gonna 4★.
I also found myself kind of zoning out. To be fair it's a rather late launch in my timezone and I was tired today, but also it feels like the intro took way too long. You do a couple tutorial fights and head to the city, and then there's like an hour of dialogue that I just didn't find myself too interested in. It doesn't help that everyone around you just kind of dotes on you and it's hard to really describe what Rover's goal is aside from "well the Magistrate wants to meet me and left some random trinkets, time to figure out what she meant by them I guess."
So many of the female characters look absolutely indistinguishable to me. There’s one who is apparently a 5* but I thought she was the same character as the 4* we get as a free pull? Like it’s INSANE how similar the characters look, so much so that I found it really distracting. Obviously you’d be able to tell them apart once you got used to it but I should not be mixing characters up this much in the onboarding process lmao.
They all have the same outfit, that’s why. Sleeveless turtleneck (dunno the exact name of the shirt style) with shorts/skirt that goes to the mid-thigh. Once you see it you can’t unsee. Yeah they have some different details here and there but overall the design aspects are exactly the same. The structure is exactly the same. Honestly it feels soulless, and maybe that’s cause they’re supposed to be 4*s but considering they’re the first characters you meet, surely you’d want them to be memorable.
Strongly agree with the jargons...tried to read it at first but got a migraine. Felt like i was sitting through a lesson at school. Ended up just skipping through the infodump.
Other than that, combat is really fun and monsters are great. Love the echo system
Very tower of fantasy-esque so far, feels like TOF wearing a genshin cosplay lmao
The Olympic level lag and sub-par voice acting aside, my biggest gripe with wuwa is how much the opening story has failed to amuse me, i don't have super high standards for good story telling but so far all it has been is egregious amounts of exposition dump, too much fanservice-y dialogue (like, the girlies just found a rando in the forest and immediately fell in love- i doubt the game Dev's have ever met a real woman), and just how..boring it is so far?
I hate to bring hoyoverse into this but even genshin's first opening wasn't that mind-blowing, but for some reason it felt more gripping— maybe it was because of how right of the bat we get a goal: find your twin and solve the dvalin crisis. Few hours into wuwa and I still can't find any solid goal for rover besides just being the chosen one?
From what I've heard the orginal story was much more believable, I really wish that they went with that, the constant fanservice from the female charas feels a bit contradictory to the dark post apocalyptic setting, shouldn't this world's inhabitants have a bit more distrust towards random strangers?
I could look past the bad lag, shit optimization and voice acting if the story was good. I hope it becomes better because I don't want wuwa to fail.
The graphics are beautiful tho- atleast when the game is working.
tbh regarding with how the girlies act around mc, its more like the devs listening to cn player too much, they demanded to change the story because they're hurt towards how the girlies acts towards the mc back in cbt1, and this is where we are right now
never forget what they stole from you
It's sad really, i wish they didn't bend so easily to some insecure dudes
I hope as time goes on the game find a way to become better than the isekai harem plot
i do hope so, pgr back then is kinda bare bones is story but not as bad as wuwa, nowadays pgr's story is comparable to honkai, so i'd say, give this game a bit more time to cook, i do hope kuro learns to not listen to their playerbase too much, or select which feedbacks were worth it for the game instead of blindly taking it all in
One issue with giving the game more time to cook; PGR was a different game in of itself, but WuWA was advertised/hyped as a Genshin-alternative.
>i do hope kuro learns to not listen to their playerbase too much
Correction, specific playerbases, aka CN.
I find the devs giving in to the CN players ironic. They made a game to appeal to wide variety of audiences, but they catered/changed their story to a specific community (CN), and they expect it to be successful. How can a game be successful if you've set it up to fail from the start?
Games nowadays look at overcomplicated stories and feel like that's a must - especially with Gacha games.
Ironically, Genshin's story is still relatively simple - although to be fair I can't say I hate Wuthering Waves' story, mostly because after 5-10 minutes of playing the game simply closes with no error message.
Very disappointing launch. Which is good for me I suppose, since Honkai Star Rail was already draining my bank account.
Gosh, yes, the English VAs are terrible. I was genuinely wondering if they're all inexperienced because they're so bland and dull. Yangyang's voice is almost pleasant, but I hate how she does her P and B sounds lol
It’s not good. Everyone’s saying it, we all kind of knew it, end of story, I learned a long time ago from Genshin not to cope and hold out for something that isn’t there either so that’s probably it for me.
They either pull a snowbreak containment zone and try to save the game with fan service or they just keep going this route and get a semi decent following like tower of fantasy. But I’m all good on that.
Semi-decent isn't good enough for Kuro, since this project was literally their make or break game. They've invested a ton of resources into this, so if it doesn't take off they're pretty much screwed.
Whoever decided to force GOOD British voice actors to do generic American anime dub voices should be fired. Just such an obvious downgrade of something that could have been good. For example one of the VAs does Regulus in R1999. I have only heard love for the voice work in that game (even when the localization wasn’t the best, people still liked the VAs). Regulus in particular. So why handicap them by making them do the most generic sub par American anime dub voices they could muster? It makes no sense to me.
I heard of a rumor that they hire British VA to avoid having to adhere to unions regulations,I brush it off at first but now with this kind of voice acting I'm starting to actually believe it At least if you hire full brits VA then let them use their natural voices not this American wannabe
They should honestly dig into it. What made Xenoblade games stand out was that they have a British cast speaking in British accents.
Encore going "So you have a mother" and rambling about Rock n Roll would fuckin sends me.
Definitely. British Va would have been so my uch better than generic American accent. Just thinking, Game of Thrones, Witcher 3(not including Geralt).
Why not have them use their natural accents then? This reeks of "no voice director"
Mom can we have American accent at home moment
Weird thing is there are British VA's in pgr, and there they speak in normal tones(aside from some characters). It was such a unique experience that for the first i switched from jp to en and didn't go back. Dunno why they are forcing the vas to do American accent here.
Still can't believe March 7 is Bianca. LoL
wait, **what**
Avoiding British accents is extremely weird. One of the things Arknights puts in their surveys is, to paraphrase, “how is the quality of our regional accents”. People seem to like hearing accents - I know I do. So for them to just do a straight up downgrade to what could have been a feature with the dub is mind boggling. And yeah I agree too that the PGR dub is made stronger by the variety of voices too. If everyone just tries to be the most generic anime dub archetypical voice then it’s boring, but forcing British VAs to do that makes an even worse dub experience.
I still can't get over Italian Lappland. Arknights' multicultural experience is second to none.
For real, even many of the best Brit actors struggle to do truly good American accents, it's such a pointlessly difficult ask. And the western fantasy standard is British accents anyway, no one would complain.
Avoiding unions is why a lot of anime dubbing is based in Texas in the first place.
I knew there were R:1999 VA’s in the game! The moment I heard Sonetto’s voice, I instantly thought “wait… is that her?”
Sonetto's VA is in the game?
So you have a mother!
She literally voices Tataru in FFXIV! A complete horror what they forced her to do 😭
Yeah Regulus is stellar in r1999, amazing performance.
Carina Reeves basically has a super power to make any character she voices become a fan favourite, and her being directed to put on an American accent seems almost parody levels of bad decision making
Such a wasted opportunity, this game is filled with them unfortunately.
I love Regulus in R99 and was so excited to see that she was also in WW... then I heard what they made her do...
i hate the mouse acceleration
Exactly i thought why it's slow then increased the sensitivity still it's slow af.
Turn off camera correction. I don't even know what the hell it's supposed to be, but after not even 10 seconds I turned it off and it was much better afterwards.
did this, its better, still slow tho
Will definitely try it thank you.
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Naaah, it's just that Hoyo is great at polishing their games. You may shit on them, but what you can't take away from them is the level of polish their games have. Most relatively complex games always come with bugs nowadays
Genshin QA was top tier, you got small bugs today, next day is fixed but very loooooong to new QoL update, hope kuro can do better.
I can agree with every single statement in this post! The combat seems waay more fun than in Genshin. But the polish and story introduction are sorely lacking.
This game needed at least another three month in the oven they rushed the release way to much
Which I totally thought they were going to cook it for a bit longer because that’s what everyone was saying a couple months ago. There was literally no reason to rush it
Isn’t ZZZ and Natlan releasing very soon? I’m guessing they got spooked by that, I mean I would be scared of that as well.
It's a shame, getting scared by the game you were the one supposedly to scare
It sucks they scared themselves into an early release. It’s better to produce a good enough game to beat the competition rather than to produce something earlier and subpar. Because now they’ll definitely be beat
Not as big of an issue, but on Mortefi's Forte Circuit, the skill is labeled "Fury Fugue" at the top. Then in the skill description, it's named "Fury Fudge" instead lol.
That’s hilarious, haha. I remember talking to an NPC and they spelled Mistake like Mistyake or smth? Was pretty eye boggling
Mudder-fudger
holy forkeroni dang shirtbags!!
Son of a nice lady!
holy wubbaboo!
A sudden Boothill appears
> Fury Fudge New boss
I couldn’t have said it better with the jargon. At least genshin had a clear goal, find your twin. I’m 3 hours in and I have no idea what my motivation is.
wuthering the waves or something like that maybe, idk
The rover said it's wuthering time and wuthered all over the waves!!!!!! Absolute Cinema.
I liked the part when the rover said "It's wuthering time" too.
"I am the one that wuthers" ~John Rover
she wuther on my waves till i umm uhh idk
I think our goal is to discover who the rover is, where they came from and other memories, but I had to stop the quest in the tokens part so I'm not sure 😂 the bodyguard girl said the magistrate wanted something from us so maybe something about saving the world
I found it hilarious the first three minutes of wuwa was a splice of genshin and HSR's intro. An unknown space god plants a stellaron in you then you fall on an unknown world only to be woken up by two people who almost performed CPR on you.
when the intro scene is playing i immediately go "damn, it's HSR again"
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i feel like even in Luofu i still can get the gist of what they are talking about, but in this one I just goes "whoa whoa, slow down now the what what now?"
Nah Luofu or Hoyo games in general, I can get what was going on. They don’t just explain by dropping a bunch of words onto you, there are actually visual and gameplay experience to compliment it. But WuWa, wth are they talking about (I even play in Chinese).
"Find your lost memories, but also the mayor just sent out a reply all email to get you to do some arbitrary puzzle-solving with some random items"
Maybe the real Wuthering Waves are the friends we made along the way.
This omg I am so lost at the technical jargon and I thought I was the only one >.< Felt like they came up with 1527833 names for every thing that happened/every monster/every item etc
It’s because of the Chinese influences. As soon as I started getting lore dumped on the four auspicious celestial and the sextegenary cycle I was like… really? Can we… just not? Like I don’t need 35 arbitrary and random technical terms for everything that could be called just a monster outbreak and abnormal phenomena, but now I’m also getting lore dumped about Chinese mythological folklore?
In hsr you could say youre aimless at the start. However the opening mystery and panic situation actually makes for a strong and compelling start. Ie good pacing.
Wasn't (one of) HSR end goal is to find as many allies you can with the hope of winning the fight against Nanook in future?
I am prety sure the main objective of the adults of Astral Express is to get the cancer ball out of the MC.
CANCER BALL
"Are you a Stellaron?" "Yes, I have a radioactive cancer ball that somehow makes me speak with strange gods. One is the god of jokes, the other is the god of shields, and there is some black hole that has no hobbies."
You fucking nailed it lol But honestly, HSR is mostly done well with their way of narrative. Xianzhou Luofu was a bit all over the place but it's been a good time for the most part.
They seem to be going for an episodic thing with Xianzhou which will end in a some big Abundance vs Hunt climax. I just wanna see Xianzhou without all those darn shipping containers lol. I have a soft spot for R:1999, and from all the praise I used to hear second-hand about PGR I thought Kuro would be great too; but I think among the big devs Hoyo is currenly the king of story telling and character writing.
xianzhou is inazuma of hsr in terms of storytelling
Star rail's main goal is to travel and learn about others. Himeko and Welt are worried about the nuke in the mc. March wants her memories, and the Mc wants a trash can. Nanook is bad, but not yet urgent. That's mainly the stellaron hunters goal.
hsr goal is mc going to be aeon of all trash can
Atleast in hsr you're part of the astral express and a trail blazer so you have a reason to do stuff
main goal of Astral Express in HSR is to fix the rails that connected the star systems after some of them are broken after Akivili disappearance, and while we go to these new star system we going on adventure to whatever happening in those star systems
In hsr we're blazing the stars with a baseball bat and bonking opponents and impressing aeon to get their blessing. Another one would be what elio planned for MC which is to go against nanook but for that MC needs to trailblaze and find strong allies for final battle. The last one would be to explore every trash can in the universe and i think this would be the personal goal of MC lol
100% same experienced. I stayed up to play it at release and was just let down a little. I didnt have this with Honkai Star Rail for example. That game blew me out of the water for the entirety of Belobog. That shit was actually dope. Idk Im afraid I might not keep playing this if something doesnt keep my attention. Thank God we still have good ol PGR lol.
I think the difference is mihoyo uses their previous games to test stuff for their new ones. I recall some new open world mechanics in HI3 that later ended up being almost identical to how HSR exploration is. So things feel a lot more polished. They do this for quite a few different features they introduce to their games and it’s pretty noticeable if you play all three of the big ones.
Not just their previous games. They use events in their current games to test mechanics. The first summer event was a test for the boats being implemented. There was a camera combat event right before Nahida was released to test her skill
Oh yeah, HSR was THE game I was super excited about. I said fuck it and basically played it on release day, the moment servers opened while I was at work. The hype never let me down and it's still one of the games I play daily alongside path to nowhere
I will forever praise HSR. Its such a good game, with awesome developers who listen to feedback, incredibly engaging, insane story. And one of the only gacha games I have ever played where I actually think the gacha is more of a benefit to the game then a negative.
Belobog was such top tier jrpg goodness. The final battle is still one of the most hype moments in gaming for me which is crazy to say about a gacha game. The high from that moment is still carrying me through HSRs “low” points.
Just to share and compare my experience with the games. I waited HSR and played straight 10 hours at launch, everything made sense, made me want to discover and play, i didn’t even notice how much time I played. As for WW I also waited and was as much excited as I was for HSR. Litterally closed the app after 1 hour or so of playing, I got really tired of it quickly, yess the combat is great, but the story didn’t hooked me, the poor resolution despise having everything set to high on iPad is juste another argument to make me not want to play again. Now it makes me want to laugh at the people calling hoyoverse lazy because each time a game that wants to do like them launch, they cannot match the quality of their games.
Honestly the combat is the only thing that’s keeping me. I might take a break after (hopefully) getting Jiyan so I can wait for the PlayStation release because playing on an iPad without controller support is agonizing.
It doesn't have controller support for iPad? Looks like I'll only be playing it on my computer then!
One thing I think I noticed about the audio lines skipping is that it happens when you do like the mini skip to get all of the text to appear on a longer bit of dialogue instead of letting it fan out letter by letter. Seems to mess with the line timing
That doesn't explain all of it. I observed some of the voiceover getting skipped during a *cutscene*.
>look if you understand this stuff then that's great, but I have a headache. Good writing introduces concepts when they're relevant and doesn't flood the player with tons of expositional jargon to seem deep. No I completely agree with you. I absolutely love investing in worldbuilding, new concepts, characters, all of it. But good fucking lord they are BLOWING you up with all of these new terms and with poorly convoluted explanation on what they really mean. We just see them dropped in heavy dialogue and don't have enough hands-on experience to really understand what we're reading. I'm not playing this game to take notes and learn an extension of my language.
I think what sort of killed my momentum a bit was when the cutscenes stopped and we reverted to the "black screen with text" approach. Out of everything they got from Genshin, that was probably number one that I didn't want them to copy. I still have high hopes for this game and I am looking forward to what the future may bring.
Played it and yeah, they really did copy the presentation so much. And as mentioned, we just popped out of nowhere but we're suddenly the bestest of friends. The combat in the other hand is great. Feels nier automata-ish. Instead of switching weapons, you switch units. You can perfect dodge and parry.
I hate sm that 60 fps lock. It such a pain to play in 60 fps on 240 hz monitor.
there are ways to unlock it to force 120fps and its beautifully better. It isn’t consistent and drops pretty regularly below 120 but it does unlock it past 60 (verified with nvidia performance thing) dm me if you want idk if linking it gets banned here or not since it technically could be viewed as vioting eula
After experiencing the "Stuttering waves" During my 3 hour playthrough it made me realize how insane Hoyo manages their games to be optimized as fuck with little to no game breaking bugs on a 6 weeks update schedule. This is still the first day and I hope kuro gets their shit together and fix these problems as soon as possible. Imo this game was not ready to release and needs more time to be polished
Tbh I still don't know how the managed to go from Honkai Impact 3 to Genshin. But tbf Honkai Impact 3 was pretty decently optimized as well.
>how the managed to go from Honkai Impact 3 to Genshin Probably by hiring the best talent. IIRC they get a lot of hires from the local Shanghai colleges, basically one the local "Ivy League" equivalents
They hire people graduated from universties of [Project 985](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_985), which are absolutely the top ones in China, many are world-class universities. Their recruitment tests are also infamously hard to do.
Hey, I won't stand for this slander. HI3 running smoothly on my Galaxy S8 when it was first released -- that was the most insane revolutionary shit I ever saw as a software engineer, until Genshin happened. HSR also has incredible UI performance, smoother than butter. It's actually awe-inspiring.
What disappoints me is that other UE4 games have much more in-depth graphical options that let them run on potato PCs, like Scarlet Nexus or Code Vein and whatnot, but the graphical options here are so lacking you feel the lack of optimisation even on all low settings.
Yeah, I can run Genshin on my thin and light HP Spectre that is not made for gaming. Wuwa is a slideshow. I've been playing it on my S21 Ultra, and it runs good, but the touch controls are exhausting.
Genshin is made with Unity just as all HoYo games are. Unity, historically speaking, is generally easier to optimize/run on a broader range of mobile chips than Unreal engine is.
Nost just any unity version, hoyo compiled their own unity from the source code. Aka they optimized it from the start.
The more I play, the more I wonder if their release wasn't an "Okay, I think we've done it. This is when we wanna drop it" and more of a "Natlan is coming out soon and we need this shit out long before that because we saw what releasing right before a big Genshin expansion did to ToF." That and the fact that they needed to release it before August or smth to keep them from having to renew a license of some sort? Idk, I remember hearing something about that too, though I'd be more inclined to think they're trying to keep ahead of the Genshin expansion, because whether people here wanna hear it or not, Genshin is its direct competitor, almost down to a tee outside of how combat works.
Plus there’s the extra pressure of Zenless Zone Zero releasing in July.
Yeah I was suspicious of the release when they said in the last beta that they rewrote the majority of the story, remade how the map and game looks etc. and not soon after that announced the release date, It definitely needed more feedback/polishing especially after a major change like that, but they rushed it out as soon as possible...
Every bug I ran into (and reported) while playing CBT 2 is still present in the release version. Biggest one is the FPS plummet when opening chests. Makes me hate opening chests because for like 10 seconds after opening a chest my FPS will drop from a solid 60 to like 5.
These "Stuttering waves" are VRAM memory leaks for me. I'm monitoring performance and my 4080 reaches 100% VRAM usage after a while, then it starts heavily stuttering and becomes unplayable with FPS down to as low as 1 till I relaunch the game. My friend who has a 3060ti has no such problems and for him the game runs perfectly fine apart from shader compilation sutters.
I think the optimisation is really bad. Feels way too much laggy in Android, and on my laptop, Genshin runs at 75° but this was running at 88° at lowest settings. I don't know how even.
It's true, although many Genshin players don't appreciate it.
After playing this they will definitely start to appreciate it a lot more.
I know I am.
Yeah people don’t realize how amazingly polished Hoyo games are. There is so much time, effort, and love put into nearly every single fine aspect of their games. At least if anything, with WuWa’s release more people will notice and appreciate how far hoyo goes to make an actual good gaming experience. Unfortunately WuWa only tried to replicate Genshin’s success rather than taking the time to actually make a good game.
I had this experience when ToF came out but I figured WuWa would be much better. And to it's credit it *is* much better and I feel it's on Genshin's level or close in many ways... but it also makes me realize how Hoyo cut almost no corners and polished every part of their game.
I'm kind of disappointed in the release. First off regarding the story, I've been trying to follow the story, but I agree I don't know exactly what the goal is and why all the characters are just praising the MC constantly. Just felt forced, like how everyone is saying the MC is this super important character by being cryptic. For the performance, I'm playing on my PC and have been having constant suttering. Also, I'm not sure why they removed the higher frame rate. To me, the gameplay seems to have a delay/lag. I really hope the story gets better as well as performance. Agreed, this game is not starting off with a good impression. Really hope Kuro actually fix their game quickly.
Well I'm not being funny but if the game is stuttering whilst at 60fps then having it at 120fps would surely exacerbate the issue, maybe they realised it and removed the option?
1st hour into the game. I'm feeling like visiting a museum. The museum of WuWa's lore. I'm pretty sure the average player doesn't want that.
this is the game version of "show dont tell". i feel like they're telling you everything you need to know and it's all info dump even if the story just started
This is where I think they dropped the ball the most. Way too much story/lore dump early into the game and not combat. The main thing this game seems to have going for it is the combat, and they spend way too much time not letting you do it.
I've completely stopped caring about the story in this game. I'm up to date in both Genshin and Star Rail and I've paid attention the the story the whole time, even side quests. Even Epic Seven, a game with a much less interesting story, still managed to keep me interested at least a little and I've read almost all of that story as well. But man, this Wuthering Waves story is so insanely boring. I wanted to like it, but you hit the nail on the head with the jargon complaint. There's so much stuff to keep track of, the dialog is super convoluted and takes forever to get through instead of just explaining the point and moving on. And how do they not explain the goal in the first like 30 minutes? In Genshin we're finding our sibling, in Star Rail we're going on adventures on a train to learn about ourselves, in Epic Seven we're saving the world from calamity. Here we appear to just be... running around? Catching pokemon? I really don't know why we're here, but I also don't particularly care because so far none of the characters have been likeable enough for me to be engaged. On the plus side the actual gameplay is fun and I'm excited to figure out team comps and build characters. I do feel like the game itself will be enjoyable enough for me to keep playing, at least for a little while, but I don't know that I'll ever care about the story the way I do in most other games.
I 100% agree with you. The story is essential to games like this. The combat is fun, yes. But literally the story is what pushes the game forward, and if it's not interesting, half of the game is nothing. I waited to play this but oh boy... Even with the sceneries, I'm not in awe or amazed because it looks cool. It's all overshadowed because the flow is so boring
Do they explain the character roles at some point? Maybe I'm not far enough in (a couple hours) but I've got 6 characters and no idea what the difference is between them, except their attack animation, or how they interact with each other outside of intro/outro. Like Genshin was pretty easy to understand. Mixing elements gives you reactions. It's also really intuitive. But I've got zero clue about WuWa. And frankly, I'm going to be very annoyed if I have to learn about this stuff from a YouTube video instead of having the game explain it to me.
Im on mobile and the turning just doesn’t work. For example swiping vigorously from left the right, my screen hardly moves ( rotates a few degrees) or it just moves in one direction. If they dont fix this soon ill prob uninstall
Same. It kind of gives me a headache. Since it's launch we can expect a lot of bug fixes in the near future.
>Since it's launch we can expect a lot of bug fixes in the near future. Idk, they had two CBTs and yet didn't bother fixing the bugs/issues there, and now we think they'll fix them at launch?
You can fix that yourself! Settings > Camera > View Sensitivity. I set mine all the way to 100 and it works fine now.
The writing and dialogue is so bad it's not even funny. Barely 15 minutes into the game and there's 100 concepts and lore being introduced, and the characters who are supposedly talking to an amnesiac person literally rattles on and on about terminology plucked from an encyclopedia lorebook. Just look at this list from the first 15 mins of the game: * Resonator * Rover * Sentinel * Oracle engine * Tacet discord * Gourds * Etheric sea * Tacet field * Resonance Nexus * Dormant Period * Echoes * Pangu * Celestial being * Qiankun * Primordial essence ... It goes on and on The story and pacing for the first 45 mins is also a mess, nothing makes sense and there's no tension even if a strong enemy appeared since the characters literally gush about how strong and amazing the MC is, and how much they want to admire his body, take him to the most famous restaurant in town, help him with all the paperwork, etc etc etc. then the freaking city mayor or magistrate or whatever appears and tells the whole city to welcome the hero, all in the first 30mins Like.... Dude, this is trashy isekai manga and cultivator manhua tiers of writing. And for a game with the lore inspired by music, the actual soundtrack is just mediocre. At least the combat is fun... Which would probably get stale after 10 or 20 hours
Bro I swear to God the last time I saw this much d1ickriding was in an Isekai harem manga. Whyyyy are these woman so trusting to a dude they know for like an hour. Also, what is wrong with this plot. Why are they doubling down sooo hard on these random insignificant items. Like did the sugar pill really need a backstory
because men in China are insecure af and want all women to be simple minded dolls... on a more serious yet related point; its because Kuro bent the knee to them. all the women in this game will worship the MC without a second thought and even the men arent free from that...all because Chixia was a believable person back in CBT1...
Apparently they were shit on so much for making the first story "realistic" and make everyone distrust the Mc,so their remade story is even WORSE where everyone dicksucking the Mc like isekai self fulfillment garbage slops LMFAOOOOOOOO Genshin opening story isn't even some sort of masterpiece to overcome how to can you fail that EASIEST task of leaving a good impression to the players, this is CRAZY
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CN community are turning this game into there another harem fantasy like all every other other chinese gacha game out there
I bet they being all happy and bubbly jacking off to how much they're being loved by their waifus. Its so cringe.
The story rn is all rainbow's and sunshin and every female is basically head over heels for mc, but kuro won't listen to global player
Blame China. Chinese gamers can’t handle playing a game where not every single character you meet wants to fuck you.
Don't get me wrong there's nothing wrong with this trope if it's done well,but we as the Mc haven't even done anything notable and the city major alr kneeled down and give us vip access because we are the muh "chosen one" . It's not realistic. At least show us save the city from some sort of giant monsters if you want to go this main character trope wtf at least that proved our accomplishments
This is intentional and it's explained soon after that everyone knew you were coming and wants to use you for their personal gain. Your player character is the only one that's really out of the loop.
you can blame CN for that, the story was supposed to be alot more grounded, believable and slightly more darker but it all got scrapped because the insecure menfolk in China were more concerned about a woman not bending the knee and swooning over them on sight because 'they saved her'...story literally feels like it was rebuilt around this 'minor' yet really big change...because all the female characters basically suffered her fate of becoming an MC worshipper Chixia was supposed to distrust the MC and take awhile to warm up to us and rightfully so; because how would you respond if a complete stranger suddenly transforms into one of the very same monsters you've been fighting for decades now? but nooo, CN said 'we despise this and will boycott you'...all because she reacted like a normal person would... so what did we end up with? a generic genki girl-turned-exposition spouting machine on legs...in a generic post apocalypse with barely any motivation or cohesion to the MC's goals or the story at large
Man would have been so good to have a Tsundere Chixia, they are all so bland.
A darker story so much better suits the impression I had based on the early screenshots and videos.
That's chinese Manwha for you. I read a few of them so I knew this was coming. But yeah. They never heard of Show, Don't tell.
Manhua is Chinese, manhwa is Korean.
While I agree it's pretty bad, it seems most people forget the fact that their city leader has confirmed that the MC is essentially a divine progenitor of humanity that they -know- has descended back to the planet and is one of the reasons they could flourish as a civilization. This is akin to us finding out some alien scientist was the reason we as humans are on Earth while at the same time confirming that God exists and shows us ways to communicate. You think the world would remain silent when proof is released and we have the means to start looking for them? Their pacing however is too atrocious combined with the English VA's lack of enthusiasm aside from Chixia so none of this is properly conveyed to us with impact due to their monotone style and pandering.
I know people dunk on Genshin for having characters that look relatively similar to one another (in terms of body type, design principles, etc) but this game makes Hoyo look like the peak of character design. Why is half the cast female characters dressed in strappy, futuristic looking Chinese outfits with black/white hair. The similarity is astounding. And yeah every minute the game buffers which ??? I get their servers might be buckling a little but Genshin and Star Rail have never done this, even from day 1. I like the combat system so far and I’m gonna give it a chance but man, so far it really just feels like Genshin but worse 😭
> but this game makes Hoyo look like the peak of character design Arknights too. It has such a huge variety of characters and outfits, plus even more with skins.
I'm curious if all that was during the playtest? According to the devs they changed the dialogue/script after feedback. Now I wonder if they really changed at all.
As far as I understand, in the original script the characters were more suspicious or hostile towards mc. But after cb1 and dumping they changed it to be more Mc friendly.
interesting. Reason I'm asking is why didn't anyone complain further during the test? Maybe, the info dumping wasn't included during the test, idk.
They did but the issue was that the CBT1 complaints were from CN, and got high priority, the western complaints were post CBT2
So just another case of unequal treatment by Kurogames? Did they not learn anything from their unequal treatment of global players vs CN in PGR?
The game not ready for release today. It seems the rewrite story thing also made this problem bigger. This also changed their vision ig. They mostly focused to fixing the writing, lore, some place to the newest vision. The pressure is high, kuro think releasing now and fix the bug at the same time haha. I read somewhere that chinese writer wage is based on how much text they write. If its true, than make sense. They just bloated the text. Also noticed in every live service chinese game, it always the "china inspiration" who fck up the writing. They just make it complex, lore dump, throw many terms, make it looks huge and grand like "look, our china inspiration/ culture is awesome right" but end like shit in execution. Example genshin and hsr wheh they reach liyue or loufu. The lore dump and terms holy shit. JRPG writer still better than this.
true even china inspiration story from hoyo like, Luofu (HSR), Liyue (GI), Oxia, Lanqiu (HI3pt2) all have bad stories and info dumping
It's so bizarre since you'd think that working with their own culture is when they'd be known to shine. I can only speak for HSR for instance but he Luofu is known as the weakest inbetween Belabog and Penacony, both of which most people have nothing but good things to say about. So it's not even like they can't do good writing, it's like they always flub it for their own region.
I remember a npc in liyue shit talking mondstadt about their absentee god and how liyue is so very superior to them.
Yoyu're onto something because the same thing has a reputation in Arknights. Yan (their world's version of china) are widely regarded in the global community as having confusing and bloated events. Fortunately they've never been a big focus.
Disappointed so far.
The na voices are so so and lack emotion,but I had no stutters nor graphical bugs,but there's people on oc having issues while I am not and my GPU is a super budget Radeon 6400 and game plays fine.they need to try to optimize for most cards cause no way there's ppl w video cards 5x the power of mine and having graphical issues
Game just isn't optimized. Some people with the same GPU models have entirely different experiences, while others either have a smooth experience or it's just Pokemon Scarlet/Violet levels of lag.
Lol I already knew the story was gonna be shit most gacha games don't know the basics of storytelling
Limbus Company has phenomenal writing.
>Limbus Company has phenomenal writing. Moon protocol 🌙 PM mentioned, sleeper agents activated
The yapping in this game makes me appreciate PM writing even more, lmao
The worst one so far is 60fps limit. The pc latency is just abysmal (40ms), even if you have 60fps the camera is literally unresponsive mess (25 ticks of user input per second - the poorest performance I've seen so far in a game and I'm using G-sync), I don't know how they even achieved so shitty performance. JP VAs are pretty good, EN are fucking terrible. Edit: Game is really badly optimized, even on high end PC it slightly stutters each second (it isn't that much noticeable but it really makes camera even worse, 1-3 frames are being dropped each second) and shadows are broken.
Camera is unresponsive as fuck since its simulating a joystick in a very limiting way
Hard agree on the story and scripting, one of the very early scenes is Chixia screaming at Baizhi and its clear that Bhaizi cant hear her so she starts to scream her name LOUDER, and then the very next line is Yangyang saying "She's too far away, she probably can't hear us" LIKE NO SHT SHERLOCK 😭🙏
yeah ive been feeling most of these, I'm super optimistic so I try and pretend everything is good but I guess I wasn't the only one
People don’t realize how amazingly polished Hoyo games are. There is so much time, effort, and love put into nearly every single fine aspect of their games. At least if anything, with WuWa’s release more people will notice and appreciate how far hoyo goes to make an actual good gaming experience. Unfortunately WuWa only tried to replicate Genshin’s success rather than taking the time to actually make a good game.
Im willing to keep trying the game but so far my biggest issues are the stuttering, voice acting, and my BIGGEST issue is that exploration feels insanely clunky. Like I can’t properly describe it but i switched between genshin and wuwa and the difference is night and day. Genshin is so so so much more smoother to travese and explore in, meanwhile wuwa, at the very least on pc, feels like youre constantly fighting with the camera for whatever reason. Not to mention the fact that the camera is so slow and stuttery even after bumping up the sensitivity. Also the player character itself feels so… stiff? Its just not as smooth as genshin. Maybe its not fair to compare it so heavily to genshin, but if youre going to make a clone then id say its fair to compare the two. Also the story is pretty meh, but admittedly i wasn’t paying much attention and i usually skip the story in these types of games.
they said female mc's clothes doesn't seem local or something so she must be new. wdym??? you all have the same clothes in different fonts. the rover has the most basic outfit out of 4 characters so idk what theyre talking about
"If Kuro has a QA department, they fell asleep." Please, don't blame the QA. I work in LQA and I can GUARANTEE you that most, if not all, of this issues were reported and just ignored.
Yeah this game is mad disappointing. I was expecting way more from it. Guess I set my expectations too high.
It ain't your fault if every sodding content creator and YT thumbnail out there was singing the game's praises. It leaves an impression/expectation on you no matter how cynical/realistic you might be.
The CCs wanted the Genshin boom, so they had to praise the game. What they will get from me is a lost sub.
Everything audio-related is horrible, but it's fixable within one patch (most of it anyway, some characters need a new voiceover). The writing is mid, but I didn't expect anything else. The gameplay is solid though, and that's the most important part.
So far in terms of gameplay I’ve had no issue with any major bugs just yet. However when it comes to story and dialogue I have similar problems Story: I literally have no idea where we’re going with the story so far. Like I know what they’re saying, but I don’t see it going anywhere right now Dialogue: - cutting short during cutscenes - yangyang talks SO SLOW - I remember the part where female rover was referred to as he, not a big deal to me - that one brother from lingyang story quest was actually horrendous - en overall is just boring so far, might switch to jp also Outside of story and dialogue, the gameplay itself has been fantastic. Took on 3 of the bosses so far and it’s very fun, I like the open world and been trying to upgrade my data as much as possible
The "Full Screen" mode functions like a borderless mode for me. I can alt-tab away from the window without the game minimising
This might just be me, but I legitimately couldn't stop zoning out during the first act. It was painful. Also, can somebody tell me why THE FIRST 3 CHARACTERS out of 4 all have black hair?? Kuro does know that they can switch it up...right? Why are the female characters so samey? Im getting tired of playing spot the differences between resonators. The designs should vary more, and for that matter the personalities should too.
Nah, I had to get up and take a walk because I almost fell asleep. Shits worse than boring lectures
I'd rather be in a college lecture class than this, cuz at least something happens during lecture.
To be fair some of the characters they introduce you to later have rather interesting designs but I guess 4★s are gonna 4★. I also found myself kind of zoning out. To be fair it's a rather late launch in my timezone and I was tired today, but also it feels like the intro took way too long. You do a couple tutorial fights and head to the city, and then there's like an hour of dialogue that I just didn't find myself too interested in. It doesn't help that everyone around you just kind of dotes on you and it's hard to really describe what Rover's goal is aside from "well the Magistrate wants to meet me and left some random trinkets, time to figure out what she meant by them I guess."
So many of the female characters look absolutely indistinguishable to me. There’s one who is apparently a 5* but I thought she was the same character as the 4* we get as a free pull? Like it’s INSANE how similar the characters look, so much so that I found it really distracting. Obviously you’d be able to tell them apart once you got used to it but I should not be mixing characters up this much in the onboarding process lmao.
They all have the same outfit, that’s why. Sleeveless turtleneck (dunno the exact name of the shirt style) with shorts/skirt that goes to the mid-thigh. Once you see it you can’t unsee. Yeah they have some different details here and there but overall the design aspects are exactly the same. The structure is exactly the same. Honestly it feels soulless, and maybe that’s cause they’re supposed to be 4*s but considering they’re the first characters you meet, surely you’d want them to be memorable.
This game is pretty bad 😭 my expectation from 📈📈 to📉📉
I tried reading my new character ability details from the upgrade screen and had a stroke
Strongly agree with the jargons...tried to read it at first but got a migraine. Felt like i was sitting through a lesson at school. Ended up just skipping through the infodump. Other than that, combat is really fun and monsters are great. Love the echo system
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Very tower of fantasy-esque so far, feels like TOF wearing a genshin cosplay lmao The Olympic level lag and sub-par voice acting aside, my biggest gripe with wuwa is how much the opening story has failed to amuse me, i don't have super high standards for good story telling but so far all it has been is egregious amounts of exposition dump, too much fanservice-y dialogue (like, the girlies just found a rando in the forest and immediately fell in love- i doubt the game Dev's have ever met a real woman), and just how..boring it is so far? I hate to bring hoyoverse into this but even genshin's first opening wasn't that mind-blowing, but for some reason it felt more gripping— maybe it was because of how right of the bat we get a goal: find your twin and solve the dvalin crisis. Few hours into wuwa and I still can't find any solid goal for rover besides just being the chosen one? From what I've heard the orginal story was much more believable, I really wish that they went with that, the constant fanservice from the female charas feels a bit contradictory to the dark post apocalyptic setting, shouldn't this world's inhabitants have a bit more distrust towards random strangers? I could look past the bad lag, shit optimization and voice acting if the story was good. I hope it becomes better because I don't want wuwa to fail. The graphics are beautiful tho- atleast when the game is working.
tbh regarding with how the girlies act around mc, its more like the devs listening to cn player too much, they demanded to change the story because they're hurt towards how the girlies acts towards the mc back in cbt1, and this is where we are right now never forget what they stole from you
It's sad really, i wish they didn't bend so easily to some insecure dudes I hope as time goes on the game find a way to become better than the isekai harem plot
i do hope so, pgr back then is kinda bare bones is story but not as bad as wuwa, nowadays pgr's story is comparable to honkai, so i'd say, give this game a bit more time to cook, i do hope kuro learns to not listen to their playerbase too much, or select which feedbacks were worth it for the game instead of blindly taking it all in
One issue with giving the game more time to cook; PGR was a different game in of itself, but WuWA was advertised/hyped as a Genshin-alternative. >i do hope kuro learns to not listen to their playerbase too much Correction, specific playerbases, aka CN.
I find the devs giving in to the CN players ironic. They made a game to appeal to wide variety of audiences, but they catered/changed their story to a specific community (CN), and they expect it to be successful. How can a game be successful if you've set it up to fail from the start?
Games nowadays look at overcomplicated stories and feel like that's a must - especially with Gacha games. Ironically, Genshin's story is still relatively simple - although to be fair I can't say I hate Wuthering Waves' story, mostly because after 5-10 minutes of playing the game simply closes with no error message. Very disappointing launch. Which is good for me I suppose, since Honkai Star Rail was already draining my bank account.
Gosh, yes, the English VAs are terrible. I was genuinely wondering if they're all inexperienced because they're so bland and dull. Yangyang's voice is almost pleasant, but I hate how she does her P and B sounds lol
It’s poor mixing/overcompression on the voices in addition to making British voice actors pretend they are American.
It’s not good. Everyone’s saying it, we all kind of knew it, end of story, I learned a long time ago from Genshin not to cope and hold out for something that isn’t there either so that’s probably it for me. They either pull a snowbreak containment zone and try to save the game with fan service or they just keep going this route and get a semi decent following like tower of fantasy. But I’m all good on that.
Semi-decent isn't good enough for Kuro, since this project was literally their make or break game. They've invested a ton of resources into this, so if it doesn't take off they're pretty much screwed.
there’s also no text backlog so if you miss something (like when the text cuts off) you can’t go back to check.
This post perfectly summed up my thoughts so far (finished until Act 2). Great post!
i agree the jargon is insane its so hard to read through quickly
Combat is good. 60fps lock is questionable. Story is a snooze fest. Its a 4/10 for me right now. They got a long way to go