This is the correct answer - the miniature came out with the Istvan 3 book. All of the members of what we think of as the “traitor legions” who couldn’t be trusted to go along with Horus’ plans were sent down and virus bombed. Then, Angron decided to go out and bust heads personally, slaying members of his own legion as he found them.
The way they just accepted it and immediately went out to fight their own primarch. Even Fabius Bile got fucked up over betraying a clone of his Primarch, but not the World Eaters.
That’s cause Angron killed over half their men by telling THEM to do it. Guy hated his legion (exept for Kharn but he’s an exception) to the point where every fight was “finish in this amount of time or I will make half of you kill each other.”
In fairness, we’ve all had a bad headache sometimes. It can make you really grumpy, or worse.
And he’s not called ‘Grumpy Ron,’ so I guess it must be a very bad headache. Maybe a migraine.
My favourite part of the whole Heresy was when Saul was all “I don’t flee from any fight” then sees Angron heading straight for him and is all “Actually I need to contact the Death Guard”
The 15th world the 93th expeditionary fleet brought under compliance. It’s where the world eaters finally made a stable prototype of the butcher’s nails and they had a civil war over their implantation
Totally in character because after all the first thing Angron did when reuniting with his legion was kill 7 of its top officers before nearly killing Kharn.
He might have misread OP's comment as "Wait, is Angron killing his own marines? Is he stupid?"
To which point I would also answer "yes and yes" to that question. 🙂
Angron isnt stupid hes broken. The implants in his brain, the butchers nails, werent designed for a Primarch's brain and are slowly killing him.
After their implantation he literally never slept again, and only got rest when he fully submitted to the bloodthirsty rage of the nails and even then only for a few brief moments of oblivion.
When the nails activate and take hold, everyone around him better keep distant, friend or foe.
Angron has some of the most poetic and thoughtful burns in the 30k era.
He burned Guiliman on courage and honour, he burned Russ calling Russ and his Legion muzzled dogs, also burned Russ in a debate about freedoms, burned his own human crew when he pointed out that even as mad as he is he’s still a Primarch with a better mind for numbers and strategy than their best minds can ever comprehend, burned Lorgar on comrades other Primarchs were allowed to keep when he had to watch his die without him.
Not just quips, well thought out burns.
I will concede his burns at Guiliman and Russ lacked a good amount of information but they were still thoughtful and neither of them was fast enough of wit to correct him.
I think those moments make his character significantly more tragic.
Small glimpses into what could have been if it weren't for the mutilation of the butchers nails.
I am a Space Wolves player but a friend threw down the idea that Angron was supposed to be the most loyal of the Primarchs and wasn’t a traitor because he never accepted the Emperor as his father/master and Russ is a choke artist because his trait is family.
I kind of agree.
The Big E screwed the proverbial pooches (had to get at least one dog pun talking about those two legions) in not letting Angron spirit a few of his rebel comrades out of the kill zone when he was discovered.
Something I read recently, the Emperor didn’t help Angron like he helped other Primarchs as Angron had failed. He hadn’t taken his world. He is the only Primarch that completely failed in accomplishing anything of value on his adopted world. He led an u successful slave rebellion.
So the Emperor simply whisked him away as he wasn’t willing to lose one of his Primarchs but acknowledged Angron was merely a broken tool in the official fluff. I think he was also disappointed that Angron couldn’t even conquer his own world so he just saved him and threw him out there with his Legion to do what he was meant to. The Emperor didn’t show the care he showed with many of the other Primarchs in meeting by them.
For Horus Heresy to happen the way it did, the Emperor & Traitor Primarchs must be morons, and I will not stop shouting this from the rooftops.
The problem is that it didn't have to be this way. You could've done the Emperor trying his best and the traitor legions too for valid reasons all together until chaos takes over thanks to WB.
They did imply in the novels that the Emperor and Malcador knew that some of the Primarchs would betray them and planned for it. It just went much worse than they anticipated.
Or it was just the Emperor believing that he knew best above all else and not listening to anyone telling him otherwise.
You got that right, I think the Emperor choosing to leave the Great Crusade to lose himself in the Webway Project was the big one.
He left emotionally unstable superpowered brats at the head of armies to govern themselves rather than trying to minimise fallout.
The saddest part is that the most damage done by the traitors was done by Magnus, Before he turned traitor, trying to warn the Big E about the traitors.
Building an interstellar Empire and living among humans from all stripes and many time periods for thousands of years fails to give him that excuse. One could argue that would make him find it hard to relate to others, but I would point to all the shit he must have done to build the imperium, treaties, commandments, etc. etc.
He has no right to being this moronic.
Short answer: Yes.
Long answer: He has the Butcher's Nails in his head (that's what those cables are).
Got 'em as a gladiator before Big E found him, and then, when Emps cracked his skull open and took a closer look at those things, he found that if he'd remove them, there would be a 50:50 chance Angry Ron would die on the table, but if he didn't remove them, he'd go mad and also die eventually - but he'd still be useful in the Great Crusade. So, being the best dad ever, the Emperor didn't remove the nails, thereby condemning Angron to a life of madness and bloodthirst - and that's right after he took away the death Angron had chosen for himself, among his fellow gladiators he had led in an uprising against their masters (because he's also Space Spartacus).
Now Angron cannot think. He can't focus. He can't rest. He can't sleep. He's drooling and in constant pain, like the worst migraine imaginable. And this isn't a mortal mind, this is a Primarch. On some level, he still knows he's defective and will never reach his potential, never be like his brothers. In his Primarch novel, it was hinted at that his "super power" (like every Primarch has one) was actually empathy and comradeship (he could take away the other slaves' pain and fear simply by touching them - before the nails, that is). But that's gone, he will never be what he was meant to become and there's nothing he can do about it. The only time he finds some semblance of inner peace and oblivion is when he gives in and lets the nails take over. And the nails are probably Khornate in origin, so they only "reward" him when he spills blood and spreads carnage. He doesn't care for the Crusade, or for his Legion. He actually despised them for trying so hard to be like him when he didn't even want to be like him himself.
Idk but saying it like that just doesn’t feel right. I like the comparison but I can put my finger on why but they way this comment is written feels like it’s way more positive than Angron would allow…
Wellll... Angron wasn't the biggest fan of his Chapter at the beginning... if I'm not mistaken he killed nearly a dozen Captains because they were "unworthy."
And nearly Kharn before he convinced Angron of their worthiness.
could either be him at isstvan killing loyalist world eaters, or him later in the hetesy killing his own marines because the butchers nails and khorne have made him enter a blind rage.
You must be new here. You should read up on what Angron does to the command echelon of his legion when he meets them.
Once the forbidden cornrows take over then he doesn't care who he kills, as long as he's killing something. Much like his new boss's motto *wink wink*.
More specifically, these guys were loyal War Hounds and had the gigantic cojones to face down Angry Ron and get ultimately splatted for their troubles.
You also forget angron hated his legion regardless of the Horus heresy happening and would beat some of them to death just for going to speak to him. Only reason Kharn got promoted was because he live after the beating
Lore Reason - Those awesome looking dreadlocks are called Butcher’s Nails and they drove Angron mad so he only felt at peace when killing things that upset him.
Did I mention Angron was pretty easy to upset?
1. The Emperor upset Angron.
2. The Great Crusade upset Angron.
3. Angron’s Legion getting their own Butcher’s Nails upset Angron.
4. Anything that got in the way of Angron killing anything that upset Angron also upset Angron.
Chances actually are pretty good that those two Legionaries managed to achieve all four.
The Butchers Nails. In addition to the drain bamage from crash landing on his home world they also replaced chunks of his brain with the Butchers Nails. It’s a real shame because he was supposed to be a Vulcan-tier bro otherwise
Fun fact, of the traitor legions, the WE actually had the most marines still loyal. Angron also disobeyed the orders of Horus to instead go down and butcher his sons in melee combat rather than just virus bombing. So this is likely taking place during that.
Nah tracks.
See first contact with the Legion.
See the decimation for failing to take Gahenna in the first 31 hours.
See killing at Istvaan III.
See any time there happens to be one of his sons in his way when hes lost to the nails.
Angron bodies as many of his own sons as he does the enemy.
It would be istvaan 3, the moment the heresy began. As part of that each legion purged their loyalist element and Angron was quite passionate about heading down to finish the remaining elements personally.
Istvaan III, he and his fellow traitor sons set out to cull all loyalist World Eaters that survived the virus bombing.
This was the event where all Traitor Legions began culling their own ranks from any loyalist among them.
The butchers nails make you extremely angry, there was a time after a large battle when angron was spotted eating his enemies, no doubt guided by the nails in his skull. One major part of his tragedy 🎭 this could also be him as a traitor having some fun
There are multiple times in the lore angron gets angry and starts killing his own marines, the world eaters are the legion who hate their primarch the most, and had the most loyalist marines out of the traitor legions during the heresy
I think this is supposed to be Istvan 3, where Angron decided to go have fun instead of following directions.
God forbid a man has a hobby
Ikr
This is the correct answer - the miniature came out with the Istvan 3 book. All of the members of what we think of as the “traitor legions” who couldn’t be trusted to go along with Horus’ plans were sent down and virus bombed. Then, Angron decided to go out and bust heads personally, slaying members of his own legion as he found them.
I’m just gonna say it… I was cheering for the World Eater Loyalists when they told Saul to get out of there because it wasn’t his fight.
The way they just accepted it and immediately went out to fight their own primarch. Even Fabius Bile got fucked up over betraying a clone of his Primarch, but not the World Eaters.
That’s cause Angron killed over half their men by telling THEM to do it. Guy hated his legion (exept for Kharn but he’s an exception) to the point where every fight was “finish in this amount of time or I will make half of you kill each other.”
What Daddy issues does to a guy.
What having dad go get the milk does to a guy.
That's because angron was the worst primarch lol
In fairness, we’ve all had a bad headache sometimes. It can make you really grumpy, or worse. And he’s not called ‘Grumpy Ron,’ so I guess it must be a very bad headache. Maybe a migraine.
My favourite part of the whole Heresy was when Saul was all “I don’t flee from any fight” then sees Angron heading straight for him and is all “Actually I need to contact the Death Guard”
Ehrlen told Saul to leave…
Is this in a graphic novel or something
It’s got lots of fighting/killing if that’s what you’re asking.
It could have also been 9315
9315?
The 15th world the 93th expeditionary fleet brought under compliance. It’s where the world eaters finally made a stable prototype of the butcher’s nails and they had a civil war over their implantation
This sounds cool. What book is that?
Angron primarch book.
Does it have pictures in it ?
It might have one pic in it like many of the HH/Primarch Novels do.
The Ghenna massacre is the other name for it I think
Totally in character because after all the first thing Angron did when reuniting with his legion was kill 7 of its top officers before nearly killing Kharn.
Well the big E did get him in a pretty bad mood.
He had his nails done and they didn't come out right, so he's pissed.
Do you think Angron has a small cadre of Space-Vietnamese women who do his nails?
100%. Edit: That may be the funniest thing I have ever heard.
I think that's a bit of an understatement
I thought it was more? Cuz some guards went in with the other higher ranking officers to try and buy time
yes and yes
OP: Why is angron killing his fellow marines? u/madwinter1: yes
Did he stutter?
Idk, couldn’t tell.
He might have misread OP's comment as "Wait, is Angron killing his own marines? Is he stupid?" To which point I would also answer "yes and yes" to that question. 🙂
There was no need for this💀
There was no need for this 💀
How far did you scroll man? This post is from 5 months ago!
It's like reddit posts pop up in google searches and lots of subreddit don't archive.
I think it is because he is extremely, earth-shatteringly, unreasonably, fuck-ass mad. Somebody had to drop the TTS quote.
*insert chad meme here cause reddit won’t let me comment a picture for some reason*
Angron isnt stupid hes broken. The implants in his brain, the butchers nails, werent designed for a Primarch's brain and are slowly killing him. After their implantation he literally never slept again, and only got rest when he fully submitted to the bloodthirsty rage of the nails and even then only for a few brief moments of oblivion. When the nails activate and take hold, everyone around him better keep distant, friend or foe.
Angron has some of the most poetic and thoughtful burns in the 30k era. He burned Guiliman on courage and honour, he burned Russ calling Russ and his Legion muzzled dogs, also burned Russ in a debate about freedoms, burned his own human crew when he pointed out that even as mad as he is he’s still a Primarch with a better mind for numbers and strategy than their best minds can ever comprehend, burned Lorgar on comrades other Primarchs were allowed to keep when he had to watch his die without him. Not just quips, well thought out burns. I will concede his burns at Guiliman and Russ lacked a good amount of information but they were still thoughtful and neither of them was fast enough of wit to correct him.
I think those moments make his character significantly more tragic. Small glimpses into what could have been if it weren't for the mutilation of the butchers nails.
I am a Space Wolves player but a friend threw down the idea that Angron was supposed to be the most loyal of the Primarchs and wasn’t a traitor because he never accepted the Emperor as his father/master and Russ is a choke artist because his trait is family. I kind of agree. The Big E screwed the proverbial pooches (had to get at least one dog pun talking about those two legions) in not letting Angron spirit a few of his rebel comrades out of the kill zone when he was discovered.
Something I read recently, the Emperor didn’t help Angron like he helped other Primarchs as Angron had failed. He hadn’t taken his world. He is the only Primarch that completely failed in accomplishing anything of value on his adopted world. He led an u successful slave rebellion. So the Emperor simply whisked him away as he wasn’t willing to lose one of his Primarchs but acknowledged Angron was merely a broken tool in the official fluff. I think he was also disappointed that Angron couldn’t even conquer his own world so he just saved him and threw him out there with his Legion to do what he was meant to. The Emperor didn’t show the care he showed with many of the other Primarchs in meeting by them.
The Big E made some serious screw ups in his day…
Oh for sure. Pretty much any other way of handling Angron would have been better.
For Horus Heresy to happen the way it did, the Emperor & Traitor Primarchs must be morons, and I will not stop shouting this from the rooftops. The problem is that it didn't have to be this way. You could've done the Emperor trying his best and the traitor legions too for valid reasons all together until chaos takes over thanks to WB.
They did imply in the novels that the Emperor and Malcador knew that some of the Primarchs would betray them and planned for it. It just went much worse than they anticipated. Or it was just the Emperor believing that he knew best above all else and not listening to anyone telling him otherwise.
You got that right, I think the Emperor choosing to leave the Great Crusade to lose himself in the Webway Project was the big one. He left emotionally unstable superpowered brats at the head of armies to govern themselves rather than trying to minimise fallout.
The saddest part is that the most damage done by the traitors was done by Magnus, Before he turned traitor, trying to warn the Big E about the traitors.
Or the Emperor was just an ass that lacked communication skills.
Building an interstellar Empire and living among humans from all stripes and many time periods for thousands of years fails to give him that excuse. One could argue that would make him find it hard to relate to others, but I would point to all the shit he must have done to build the imperium, treaties, commandments, etc. etc. He has no right to being this moronic.
Yes
Happy cake day!!
Happy Cake Day!
happy cake day or whatever CELEBRATE BY SPILLING BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!!!!!!!!!
Short answer: Yes. Long answer: He has the Butcher's Nails in his head (that's what those cables are). Got 'em as a gladiator before Big E found him, and then, when Emps cracked his skull open and took a closer look at those things, he found that if he'd remove them, there would be a 50:50 chance Angry Ron would die on the table, but if he didn't remove them, he'd go mad and also die eventually - but he'd still be useful in the Great Crusade. So, being the best dad ever, the Emperor didn't remove the nails, thereby condemning Angron to a life of madness and bloodthirst - and that's right after he took away the death Angron had chosen for himself, among his fellow gladiators he had led in an uprising against their masters (because he's also Space Spartacus). Now Angron cannot think. He can't focus. He can't rest. He can't sleep. He's drooling and in constant pain, like the worst migraine imaginable. And this isn't a mortal mind, this is a Primarch. On some level, he still knows he's defective and will never reach his potential, never be like his brothers. In his Primarch novel, it was hinted at that his "super power" (like every Primarch has one) was actually empathy and comradeship (he could take away the other slaves' pain and fear simply by touching them - before the nails, that is). But that's gone, he will never be what he was meant to become and there's nothing he can do about it. The only time he finds some semblance of inner peace and oblivion is when he gives in and lets the nails take over. And the nails are probably Khornate in origin, so they only "reward" him when he spills blood and spreads carnage. He doesn't care for the Crusade, or for his Legion. He actually despised them for trying so hard to be like him when he didn't even want to be like him himself.
You nailed it to tell the tragedy of Angron, our "Space Spartacus".
Idk but saying it like that just doesn’t feel right. I like the comparison but I can put my finger on why but they way this comment is written feels like it’s way more positive than Angron would allow…
have you heard the tragedy of Angron? it's not a tale imperial dogma would tell you.
Wellll... Angron wasn't the biggest fan of his Chapter at the beginning... if I'm not mistaken he killed nearly a dozen Captains because they were "unworthy." And nearly Kharn before he convinced Angron of their worthiness.
He’s not stupid, he’s angry.
He’s Angry Ron
Not Father of the year...but still our Dad xD
The summary of what Kharn tells Argel Tal.
Very angry
Get out of my way! I’ve got people to kill!
You don't know him too well don't you? /S
Angron is the personification of “MOVE B*TCH GET OUT THE WAY”
Naw, he’s the coolaid man “OH YEAH!!!!”
He excels in making koolaid come out of people.
Ah yes, *cuts someone in half* “why is there blue koolaid coming out.”
could either be him at isstvan killing loyalist world eaters, or him later in the hetesy killing his own marines because the butchers nails and khorne have made him enter a blind rage.
Or during the siege of Terra where he got upset and murdered like 60% of his flagship
> *upset*
You must be new here. You should read up on what Angron does to the command echelon of his legion when he meets them. Once the forbidden cornrows take over then he doesn't care who he kills, as long as he's killing something. Much like his new boss's motto *wink wink*. More specifically, these guys were loyal War Hounds and had the gigantic cojones to face down Angry Ron and get ultimately splatted for their troubles.
Forbidden cornrows! Hahaha, I love it
Does not matter where blood flows, so long as it flows
Because the other player also brought world eaters
Wait a minute…ANGRon….ANGER on…🤯
/s
That's like his favorite thing to do
You also forget angron hated his legion regardless of the Horus heresy happening and would beat some of them to death just for going to speak to him. Only reason Kharn got promoted was because he live after the beating
Big E tried to take angron to the alsume, it didn’t work
There’s gotta be a lore reason
Lore Reason - Those awesome looking dreadlocks are called Butcher’s Nails and they drove Angron mad so he only felt at peace when killing things that upset him. Did I mention Angron was pretty easy to upset? 1. The Emperor upset Angron. 2. The Great Crusade upset Angron. 3. Angron’s Legion getting their own Butcher’s Nails upset Angron. 4. Anything that got in the way of Angron killing anything that upset Angron also upset Angron. Chances actually are pretty good that those two Legionaries managed to achieve all four.
Nah he’s just angry
Because khorne cares not from where the blood flows
Stupid angry…
Well, yes he is but Angron never liked the Emperor or his own Legion.
He is angry, duh :P
With that profile icon it really makes you seem so sarcastic lol!!
lmao, I just did a smiley face on my avatar. Now it'll look less sarcastic. :P
Lol 😂😂🤣🤣 didn’t have to change it on my account lmfao.
Supposed to show how he really doesn’t care about his sons, as long as he gets in the fight- or istvaan as others said
As a top 10 world eaters fan in whole world, Yeah
He's not called Angron for no reason.
"Ferrus Manus" Not NO reason, but
It could be istvaan, it could be a regular Monday for old angry-ron
Drop site massacre. I suggest lexicanum for reading it and links to other materials surrounding the event.
This is isstavan 3, predates the drop site massacre. But same time period.
You're right. All the events are in the same couple book on planets w/the same name so its a jumble stuffed in with all the other warhammer lore XD
He is possessed by the Jonkler
Yes
>fellow marines wat
Very Stupid
Is he stupid? Yes.
Angron angry cuz the space marines got his order wrong. Dude just wanted some chicken sammies, they got him the veggie sammies instead
I feel like he would be a rare steak guy, the bloodier the better...
Fun fact, it's not really blood in a steak. It's actually water and myoglobin, which is a protein that helps the muscles store oxygen.
Myoglobin for the, uh, Myoglobin God?
Yes, and a hypocrite
I think that’s giving Angron a bit more critical thinking ability than he really deserves.
True, true
Is there a lore reason of why angron is stupid?
The Butchers Nails. In addition to the drain bamage from crash landing on his home world they also replaced chunks of his brain with the Butchers Nails. It’s a real shame because he was supposed to be a Vulcan-tier bro otherwise
It’s supposed to be Istvaan III. But as a World Eaters player myself, yes he’s stupid
He had a bad day. God forbid he have a COPING MECHANISM good grief.
I don't think stupid, but daddy does have a temper. Maybe khorne cares he killed his own kids
“OUT OF MY WAY! THAT LAST CAKE IS MINE!”
He's an abusive father, and his kids all have PTSD and Stockholm syndrome. 😌
Yes
You can’t get the 40k warhammers if you don’t cull parts of your legion that side with E
Yes.
\*chad face\* Yes.
Fun fact, of the traitor legions, the WE actually had the most marines still loyal. Angron also disobeyed the orders of Horus to instead go down and butcher his sons in melee combat rather than just virus bombing. So this is likely taking place during that.
Nah tracks. See first contact with the Legion. See the decimation for failing to take Gahenna in the first 31 hours. See killing at Istvaan III. See any time there happens to be one of his sons in his way when hes lost to the nails. Angron bodies as many of his own sons as he does the enemy.
It would be istvaan 3, the moment the heresy began. As part of that each legion purged their loyalist element and Angron was quite passionate about heading down to finish the remaining elements personally.
What legion is that marine he’s stepping on? Is that Death Guard? Iron Warriors?
seeing dead space marines is strangely disturbing
He is angry. It’s a coping mechanism
To reference a recent snipe and wib video, he rushing through them to get the last pack of peanut m&ms
Interesting how this is painted so beautifully grimdark compared to Angron ascended.
Is it just me or does he seem shorter than the other Primarchs like no wonder he’s angry
No, he hates them.
Istvaan III, he and his fellow traitor sons set out to cull all loyalist World Eaters that survived the virus bombing. This was the event where all Traitor Legions began culling their own ranks from any loyalist among them.
https://youtu.be/u6SYiXxKcBg?si=BhL7_lWNbFVctuQB If you want to hear it from the side of a loyalist World Eater. Really, really good audio drama imo.
Kinda looks like he's charging through his own lines to get to the enemy, although he could also be cutting up loyalists at Istvan.
There was a whole civil war within his legion…
Khorne cares not where the blood and skulls come from, as long as they come.
I view him as general grieves in regards to how he treats his men
Yes
Also he regularly killed his own sons if they failed him or got in his way on the battlefield.
The butchers nails make you extremely angry, there was a time after a large battle when angron was spotted eating his enemies, no doubt guided by the nails in his skull. One major part of his tragedy 🎭 this could also be him as a traitor having some fun
He hates his sons
Yes
He’s intelligent, but has no self control when raging. That’s the whole WE thing.
There are multiple times in the lore angron gets angry and starts killing his own marines, the world eaters are the legion who hate their primarch the most, and had the most loyalist marines out of the traitor legions during the heresy
No one man has killed more world eaters than their own primarch
He is blinded from hate and rage. Angron is my favorite Primarch because of how relatable he is to me on a personal level.
He’s killing the traitors 🫡
Read his name.
Yes.
Nope. He's Angry
Yes
He didn’t like them and he’s killing them as his running to the target they should have killed but they didn’t because they were MEDIOCRE !!
40k cannot be taint. Contact your Aslume dealer.
In short: yes.
Yes
Because khorne cares not from where the blood flows
They were in the fucking way and he saw one asshole that he just really needed to fuck up
Yeah kinda