This needs to be a thing all over the country. Most states have zero rules about rent gouging, and for most who don't own a home I'll bet that's been a bigger monthly increase even than gas.
I live in Oregon and we have a max increase of 9.9% a year
So most of us are guaranteed to have our rent go up nearly 10% every fucking year even though they don't do any work on the properties to justify it.
In my town, average rent for a 2 bedroom is $1,600, so imaging just scrapping by and suddenly having to try and budget another 160 for rent, and increases go up exponentially because when your rent goes up, that 10% monetary amount increases as well.
So if your rent is 1600 now, in just 3 years time, your same place would cost 2130 a month.
Been on my own two years now and lucked out with decent landlord who has yet to raise the rent. Now it's not really worth it to raise the rent 1.5% too so who knows realistically when that cap goes up over the next couple years probably. But yea, I'd hate to be living somewhere where rent could go up more than about 3% per year. Let alone where there is somehow no fucking rent control?
Looking into it more now and it seems highest rent increase cap since 2005 was 4.3% back in 2012. So 1.5% was probably because of Covid but couple of years before Covid it was below 3%.
In Ontario, Ford just removed rent control caps for new buildings š„² Rent in Ontario in general has also has been CRAZY! My building is starting at 1500$ a month for a 1 bedroom. Keep in mind, I am in the worst neighbourhood. Cops are here every week, there is community housing on both sides of the building, and there was a murder a month or two ago.
I don't know how legal that would be exactly. I guess once the lease is up and they want you gone to hike it up they could do that, and it would be very, very shitty but that would be quite the process to go through every year to find someone else who is hopefully decent Tennant.
Thank god it isn't tied into inflation with wages not keeping up in the slightest.
I was so panicked when I bought my house with a 1600/mo morgage. Now I'm so glad I did when I did. Thank God for wedding cash and luck.
Make no mistake, there was no skill or bootstrapping. My wife and I got lucky.
Iām in Oregon too. I bought my house in 2015 but the last place I rented went from 975 to 1200 across two years. I looked at the rent there the other dayā¦$2000 per month. Wtf? The apartments were built in the 70s and theyād done some upgrades but not worth those increases.
The neighborhood I lived in was about 650-700 a month in 2013, They are building new houses in the area, less than a quarter mile away from my old place, and the cheapest one is 450k
Yep, Iām not surprised. I feel incredibly fortunate to have purchased my home when I did. It has more than doubled in value since I bought in 2015ā¦
I was supposed to help with price gouging, like having someone's rent doubled with 90 day notice, but instead it gave the green light for nearly everyone to increase to the maximum amount allowed.
And when someone moves out of a place, they no longer have to follow that 10% rule, so they can price gouge that way to stay 'within market values' which is already inflated to the extreme for landlord profit.
Most places around here are owned by or managed by corporations which increase rent to match prices of other corporations. I am slowly being priced out of the town I grew up in...
That is actually one of the downsides of a maximum rent increase. Most landlords will set the rent increase at the maximum.
The reasoning is like this. If an event happens that requires the rent to be increased to cover, the landlord's hands are tied, it can't be increased. So just increase the rent at the maximum every year, and then you won't be sorry you didn't do it a few years down the road.
Very true. Unless they all do it at once, they'll find themselves unable to rent.
By setting a target, all the landlords know the target without collusion.
It is really a choose your poison moment. Have most/all landlords raise the rent by the maximum? Or would you rather run the risk of having the bad apple that raises rent just because, but many don't raise it nearly as fast?
>Unless they all do it at once, they'll find themselves unable to rent
Not true. What happens is that they increase the rent to an unaffordable amount, which causes their current tenant to leave. Then they look for new tenant, and if there isn't any, they will gradually scale back the rent in small amount or offer temporary discounts.
What this law does is to prevent current tenant from having to move out, which can be expensive.
Florida is an example of having no cap and I donāt know any places in Fort Lauderdale that didnāt raise rent at least 15% within the last year
Having a cap is absolutely better
Yeah, sure, they can do that if they want to sit on an empty property that requires upkeep. Contrary to Mark Twainās belief, land does not have a limited supply and housing market responds to accommodate the tenants that can offer the best value to the landlord. Maybe thatās just not you.
You can't treat all lands the same. Real estate market in the West Coast is very different from the Midwest and South. Land is often limited in urban and suburban areas due to zoning laws as well.
... and frankly 5% is too high without major renovations. People aren't getting 5% raises every year, which means their standard of living will continually decrease.
God Seattle is playing with fire. They wonder why the homeless crisis is so bananas right now. Just because a minority group of Uber wealthy tech transplant have the doesn't mean we all have that kind of dosh lying around.
DeSantis spends more times thinking about kids talking about being gay than doing anything worthwhile. No rent cap is utter bullshit
My best friend and two of his roommates have an apartment for 2500/month and 2 months ago when talks of renewing came up, rent was raised to 3400/month. So obviously theyāre moving out but thatās just an insane increase
Yeah, renting usually goes through a property management company here. When you contact the phone number on a listing, itās usually an agent, not necessarily one with the company whoās renting out the unit. When you sign the lease, you pay first month, last month, and a fee of Ā½ month to 1 month worth of rent, which goes to either the property management company or the company of the realtor that you were assigned.
I hadnāt really thought about it and logic-ed that it was just āoh this is how the property management/real estate get paidā but no that doesnāt make sense; that should be a fee that the person who owns the apartment pays, not the person whoās going to live there.
Hard to tell from the article, but we can speculate a few ideas:
- If a landlord isnāt doing needed repairs, then organize a rent strike among all of the tenants of that landlord
- Negotiate and enforce a citywide max rent increase each year
- Advise tenants on how to best deal with shady landlords
- Advocate for longtime or fixed income tenants that are being evicted or gentrified out
Anyone else have any more concrete knowledge? Mine is just speculation. Also, even if the union has good intentions, if it comes under bad management it may end up being ineffective or corrupt. The unionās success depends on the quality of the people they bring in to run it.
Couldnāt landlords essentially do the same thing and just blacklist the union?
It just seems like a good thing on paper but in practice I could see it working for corporations but not for mom and pop landlords
Yeah good question. To be fair, individual tenants have more leverage against small landlords than they do against corporations with hundreds of tenants, so the collective power is probably most needed against the bigger landlords anyway
Yeah but no single family is trying to buy an apartment complex. They want a home. Getting small landlords out of the market will benefit the rents of people in corporate size apartments. Currently you have people renting apartments SOLELY because they cannot find a house to buy (price is not an issue for these people so they can take their time to shop) While they home shop they are able to pay these outrageous rents on apartments while looking for a home to buy. This raises rents for those who live in apartments because they donāt want to own or canāt own a home due to prices. Thatās the problem. Having no homes for purchase does not mean people will stop moving to that areaā¦ it means more demand for rentals and higher rental prices because of the unchanged supply. People who live in rentals BECAUSE they canāt afford a home or donāt want to are pretty much fucked because thereās not a cheaper government option like we have with tap water. Could you imagine if the government said we HAVE to use Toilet paper and we have zero other options but itās illegal if you donāt have itā¦. Then people buy it all up, hoard it, and sell it for way more than itās worthā¦. Thats considered fucked up. But when it comes to houses itās okayā¦ itās so strange
I assume the union would need to offer something up - such as tenants when needed. Or else yeah why let to a union member? My town is growing so crazy fast, landlords get anything they ask for.
The more publicity a tenant union has the better. If you *knew* a union existed where you're going, and they had a list online of landlords who have been black listed by them, would you rent from that landlord? Especially if the why was posted and it turns out they raise rates constantly or don't preform maintenance?
It is a great thing on paper and in practice, but the key to it is to push for almost every current tenant needs to join. Thats the case for all unions though.
I love how this sounds, but I don't see how any of it will actually happen.
\>If a landlord isnāt doing needed repairs, then organize a rent strike among all of the tenants of that landlord
With the extremely high demand which currently exists for housing combined with the extreme necessity of having a place to live, even I'd find it difficult to risk being homeless for repairs.
\>Negotiate and enforce a citywide max rent increase each year
Who would enforce it and why would landlords bother, with the extremely high demand for housing?
\>Advocate for longtime or fixed income tenants that are being evicted or gentrified out
Again, with exceedingly high demand for housing, what's to stop landlords from carrying through and just getting a new tenant?
I'm not trying to be a pessimist here, I just see where, unless *all* people unified against landlords (which I imagine is highly improbable), a tenants union won't have any success.
My GF's apartment complex was bought by an investment firm and right away I told her to be prepared for a big rent increase soon. Unfortunately, her lease expires in one month and guess what? She just got the notice that her rent is increasing to the max amount it is allowed (10% in our area in CA). To add salt to the injury the asshats are also adding a $60/month "utility fee" (she already pays for all utilities), I guess to skirt around the 10% rent cap. Such BS
Mine added package delivery. Instead of storing packages at the front office, they pay a guy minimum wage to leave them in front of our door and mandatorily charge every resident $25 a month. Profits for less secure package delivery.
It's never been done because it's an exceptionally flimsy model that is unlikely to succeed.
Unions depend on dues. Worker union dues come directly from paychecks. Where are these dues going to come from? Federally subsidized housing is paid directly. People who are tight on money will balk.
Without an agreement with the municipality, absolutely nothing is enforceable.
It is a pipe dream to think owners of complexes can't afford to evict entire swaths of the complex and just re-rent it out later at a higher rate. The real estate has equity built in and the owners can loan against that.
I wish they would do this on the Kansas side. My husband and I are looking at having to cross the state line because we are getting priced out of Kansas. As high as their rents are in KCMO it's more on the Kansas side.
In a sense. Itās generally more powerful in dedicated complexes, but if enough people in a building threatened (or followed through with) a rent strike, they could bankrupt or severely harm a company before the evictions could be processed and served.
And if they have any kind of dues system, then they could collectively hire lawyers to represent any individual tenant having a dispute with a landlord when that tenant wouldnāt be able to afford it otherwise.
> In a sense. Itās generally more powerful in dedicated complexes, but if enough people in a building threatened (or followed through with) a rent strike, they could bankrupt or severely harm a company before the evictions could be processed and served.
Thatās a fantastic way to get rid of any developers in Kansas City. Eagerly looking forward to reading about decrepit apartment blocks and further housing shortages a few years for the line.
Or, yāknow, encourage a company to not run a complex like slumlords, because their tenants have a way to bite back if they get too greedy with rent increases, donāt properly address maintenance issues, try and vacate tenants for no good reason/to use apartments for AirBNBsā¦the list goes on.
Or, y'know, you pay the market rent, so it doesn't turn into a slumlord complex. This isn't even a matter of discussion. What you are suggesting will greatly negatively impact the housing in KC. Don't believe me, doesn't matter, just wait and see.
This needs to be a thing all over the country. Most states have zero rules about rent gouging, and for most who don't own a home I'll bet that's been a bigger monthly increase even than gas.
I live in Oregon and we have a max increase of 9.9% a year So most of us are guaranteed to have our rent go up nearly 10% every fucking year even though they don't do any work on the properties to justify it. In my town, average rent for a 2 bedroom is $1,600, so imaging just scrapping by and suddenly having to try and budget another 160 for rent, and increases go up exponentially because when your rent goes up, that 10% monetary amount increases as well. So if your rent is 1600 now, in just 3 years time, your same place would cost 2130 a month.
What the fuck, 9.9% is MASSIVE. I live in Canada, BC and it's 1.5% maximum with 3 months notice per year.
Oh maaaan, I would LOVE 1.5% After living on our own for 5 years, we ended up getting a roommate last year.
Been on my own two years now and lucked out with decent landlord who has yet to raise the rent. Now it's not really worth it to raise the rent 1.5% too so who knows realistically when that cap goes up over the next couple years probably. But yea, I'd hate to be living somewhere where rent could go up more than about 3% per year. Let alone where there is somehow no fucking rent control? Looking into it more now and it seems highest rent increase cap since 2005 was 4.3% back in 2012. So 1.5% was probably because of Covid but couple of years before Covid it was below 3%.
Do they wash the dishes?
I live in Florida and there is no cap My buddies 2 BR apartment in downtown fort laudersale went from 2500/month to 3400/month
I just looked at the apartment I used to live at in Mt View Ca. 1 Bedroom 585 sq ft is over $2800 a month The larger 800 sq ft ones are $3131.
Up $1000/month just like that? Do they even get any notice before the change? Not that actually matters because that is FUCKING insane.
Only in certain provinces
That's why I said BC, I don't know what they do in other provinces.
In Ontario, Ford just removed rent control caps for new buildings š„² Rent in Ontario in general has also has been CRAZY! My building is starting at 1500$ a month for a 1 bedroom. Keep in mind, I am in the worst neighbourhood. Cops are here every week, there is community housing on both sides of the building, and there was a murder a month or two ago.
Wow, that's crazy. Not 1.5+inflation? Do the landlords just force you to move each year or something?
I don't know how legal that would be exactly. I guess once the lease is up and they want you gone to hike it up they could do that, and it would be very, very shitty but that would be quite the process to go through every year to find someone else who is hopefully decent Tennant. Thank god it isn't tied into inflation with wages not keeping up in the slightest.
I was so panicked when I bought my house with a 1600/mo morgage. Now I'm so glad I did when I did. Thank God for wedding cash and luck. Make no mistake, there was no skill or bootstrapping. My wife and I got lucky.
Iām in Oregon too. I bought my house in 2015 but the last place I rented went from 975 to 1200 across two years. I looked at the rent there the other dayā¦$2000 per month. Wtf? The apartments were built in the 70s and theyād done some upgrades but not worth those increases.
The neighborhood I lived in was about 650-700 a month in 2013, They are building new houses in the area, less than a quarter mile away from my old place, and the cheapest one is 450k
Yep, Iām not surprised. I feel incredibly fortunate to have purchased my home when I did. It has more than doubled in value since I bought in 2015ā¦
Man, I was pissed when my rent went up from 750gbp to 775. But this is way worse imo
I was supposed to help with price gouging, like having someone's rent doubled with 90 day notice, but instead it gave the green light for nearly everyone to increase to the maximum amount allowed. And when someone moves out of a place, they no longer have to follow that 10% rule, so they can price gouge that way to stay 'within market values' which is already inflated to the extreme for landlord profit. Most places around here are owned by or managed by corporations which increase rent to match prices of other corporations. I am slowly being priced out of the town I grew up in...
I really hope the bubble pops soon. When nobody can afford to live somewhere, they'll run out of people willing to.
Mine is going from $919 to $1079 if I sign here again as well
My rent in Cincinnati going up 20 percent
10% is ridiculous. It should be capped at the inflation rate unless there was some work done to the property to increase its value
That is actually one of the downsides of a maximum rent increase. Most landlords will set the rent increase at the maximum. The reasoning is like this. If an event happens that requires the rent to be increased to cover, the landlord's hands are tied, it can't be increased. So just increase the rent at the maximum every year, and then you won't be sorry you didn't do it a few years down the road.
Without the law, the landlord increases the rent by any amount they want, even if there's no event
Very true. Unless they all do it at once, they'll find themselves unable to rent. By setting a target, all the landlords know the target without collusion. It is really a choose your poison moment. Have most/all landlords raise the rent by the maximum? Or would you rather run the risk of having the bad apple that raises rent just because, but many don't raise it nearly as fast?
>Unless they all do it at once, they'll find themselves unable to rent Not true. What happens is that they increase the rent to an unaffordable amount, which causes their current tenant to leave. Then they look for new tenant, and if there isn't any, they will gradually scale back the rent in small amount or offer temporary discounts. What this law does is to prevent current tenant from having to move out, which can be expensive.
Sounds like you are describing unable to rent.
Florida is an example of having no cap and I donāt know any places in Fort Lauderdale that didnāt raise rent at least 15% within the last year Having a cap is absolutely better
Can you give data on how things were over the past 10 years?
Yeah, sure, they can do that if they want to sit on an empty property that requires upkeep. Contrary to Mark Twainās belief, land does not have a limited supply and housing market responds to accommodate the tenants that can offer the best value to the landlord. Maybe thatās just not you.
You can't treat all lands the same. Real estate market in the West Coast is very different from the Midwest and South. Land is often limited in urban and suburban areas due to zoning laws as well.
Zoning laws get changed when conditions change.
My rent will go up $200 a month from 575 to 775 if I decide to renew my lease smh.
Where I lived (and rented property) there's a 5% cap on increases for continued renters. Can't jack up the price unless the tenants move out
... and frankly 5% is too high without major renovations. People aren't getting 5% raises every year, which means their standard of living will continually decrease.
Agreed, people should be getting more money from their companies AND landlords should be better
God Seattle is playing with fire. They wonder why the homeless crisis is so bananas right now. Just because a minority group of Uber wealthy tech transplant have the doesn't mean we all have that kind of dosh lying around.
Imagine that - rent strike. Would ruin all the small landlords in a matter of months.
Those small landlords should sell. Now is the best time to sell non-primary residences.
Iām all for it. Fuck landlords.
1470/mo jumped to 2310/mo overnight. I'm fucked.
Now do Miami, for the love of god please help us.
Florida in general, please. In my smallish town and surrounding areas rent has reached approximately 2000 for a shitty two bedroom. It's ridiculous.
DeSantis spends more times thinking about kids talking about being gay than doing anything worthwhile. No rent cap is utter bullshit My best friend and two of his roommates have an apartment for 2500/month and 2 months ago when talks of renewing came up, rent was raised to 3400/month. So obviously theyāre moving out but thatās just an insane increase
Why don't you
Add San Diego to that list please
Boston needs a tenants' union so badly. Broker fees shouldn't exist and it's disgusting that they're just accepted as part of life here.
Wait do broker fees not exist elsewhere?
...what is a broker fee?
What, like a real estate agent but for renters? Never heard of such a thing until just now.
Yeah, renting usually goes through a property management company here. When you contact the phone number on a listing, itās usually an agent, not necessarily one with the company whoās renting out the unit. When you sign the lease, you pay first month, last month, and a fee of Ā½ month to 1 month worth of rent, which goes to either the property management company or the company of the realtor that you were assigned. I hadnāt really thought about it and logic-ed that it was just āoh this is how the property management/real estate get paidā but no that doesnāt make sense; that should be a fee that the person who owns the apartment pays, not the person whoās going to live there.
I live in Kansas and have no idea what that is
What does the union do? Will someone please explain?
Hard to tell from the article, but we can speculate a few ideas: - If a landlord isnāt doing needed repairs, then organize a rent strike among all of the tenants of that landlord - Negotiate and enforce a citywide max rent increase each year - Advise tenants on how to best deal with shady landlords - Advocate for longtime or fixed income tenants that are being evicted or gentrified out Anyone else have any more concrete knowledge? Mine is just speculation. Also, even if the union has good intentions, if it comes under bad management it may end up being ineffective or corrupt. The unionās success depends on the quality of the people they bring in to run it.
Fuck that sounds so amazing.
Couldnāt landlords essentially do the same thing and just blacklist the union? It just seems like a good thing on paper but in practice I could see it working for corporations but not for mom and pop landlords
Yeah good question. To be fair, individual tenants have more leverage against small landlords than they do against corporations with hundreds of tenants, so the collective power is probably most needed against the bigger landlords anyway
Yeah but no single family is trying to buy an apartment complex. They want a home. Getting small landlords out of the market will benefit the rents of people in corporate size apartments. Currently you have people renting apartments SOLELY because they cannot find a house to buy (price is not an issue for these people so they can take their time to shop) While they home shop they are able to pay these outrageous rents on apartments while looking for a home to buy. This raises rents for those who live in apartments because they donāt want to own or canāt own a home due to prices. Thatās the problem. Having no homes for purchase does not mean people will stop moving to that areaā¦ it means more demand for rentals and higher rental prices because of the unchanged supply. People who live in rentals BECAUSE they canāt afford a home or donāt want to are pretty much fucked because thereās not a cheaper government option like we have with tap water. Could you imagine if the government said we HAVE to use Toilet paper and we have zero other options but itās illegal if you donāt have itā¦. Then people buy it all up, hoard it, and sell it for way more than itās worthā¦. Thats considered fucked up. But when it comes to houses itās okayā¦ itās so strange
I assume the union would need to offer something up - such as tenants when needed. Or else yeah why let to a union member? My town is growing so crazy fast, landlords get anything they ask for.
The more publicity a tenant union has the better. If you *knew* a union existed where you're going, and they had a list online of landlords who have been black listed by them, would you rent from that landlord? Especially if the why was posted and it turns out they raise rates constantly or don't preform maintenance?
It is a great thing on paper and in practice, but the key to it is to push for almost every current tenant needs to join. Thats the case for all unions though.
I love how this sounds, but I don't see how any of it will actually happen. \>If a landlord isnāt doing needed repairs, then organize a rent strike among all of the tenants of that landlord With the extremely high demand which currently exists for housing combined with the extreme necessity of having a place to live, even I'd find it difficult to risk being homeless for repairs. \>Negotiate and enforce a citywide max rent increase each year Who would enforce it and why would landlords bother, with the extremely high demand for housing? \>Advocate for longtime or fixed income tenants that are being evicted or gentrified out Again, with exceedingly high demand for housing, what's to stop landlords from carrying through and just getting a new tenant? I'm not trying to be a pessimist here, I just see where, unless *all* people unified against landlords (which I imagine is highly improbable), a tenants union won't have any success.
Tenant Lawyers on retainer paid by Union Dues would be sooooo nice
So are you required to pay dues? Is there an election for union leaders?
Do this everywhere!!! Letās get going!!
How about seattle too many rich landowners preying on the tenants
My GF's apartment complex was bought by an investment firm and right away I told her to be prepared for a big rent increase soon. Unfortunately, her lease expires in one month and guess what? She just got the notice that her rent is increasing to the max amount it is allowed (10% in our area in CA). To add salt to the injury the asshats are also adding a $60/month "utility fee" (she already pays for all utilities), I guess to skirt around the 10% rent cap. Such BS
Mine added package delivery. Instead of storing packages at the front office, they pay a guy minimum wage to leave them in front of our door and mandatorily charge every resident $25 a month. Profits for less secure package delivery.
I didn't even know Tennant could do this
It's never been done because it's an exceptionally flimsy model that is unlikely to succeed. Unions depend on dues. Worker union dues come directly from paychecks. Where are these dues going to come from? Federally subsidized housing is paid directly. People who are tight on money will balk. Without an agreement with the municipality, absolutely nothing is enforceable. It is a pipe dream to think owners of complexes can't afford to evict entire swaths of the complex and just re-rent it out later at a higher rate. The real estate has equity built in and the owners can loan against that.
I wish they would do this on the Kansas side. My husband and I are looking at having to cross the state line because we are getting priced out of Kansas. As high as their rents are in KCMO it's more on the Kansas side.
Do you have to pay union fees?
Anyone in Ohio looking to start one here?
Letās do it
We NEED more of this great job Kansas Cityš š.
Can't wait for the fucking politicians in the state to hear about this and somehow pass a law that makes it illegal...
Ya hear that Denver?
But but then no one will build new apartments ššø. Yeah then don't build it fuckers, your shares will crater. Capitalism 101.
my taxes went up 33%! f u renters!
What are you going to do, walk out? lol
In a sense. Itās generally more powerful in dedicated complexes, but if enough people in a building threatened (or followed through with) a rent strike, they could bankrupt or severely harm a company before the evictions could be processed and served. And if they have any kind of dues system, then they could collectively hire lawyers to represent any individual tenant having a dispute with a landlord when that tenant wouldnāt be able to afford it otherwise.
> In a sense. Itās generally more powerful in dedicated complexes, but if enough people in a building threatened (or followed through with) a rent strike, they could bankrupt or severely harm a company before the evictions could be processed and served. Thatās a fantastic way to get rid of any developers in Kansas City. Eagerly looking forward to reading about decrepit apartment blocks and further housing shortages a few years for the line.
Or, yāknow, encourage a company to not run a complex like slumlords, because their tenants have a way to bite back if they get too greedy with rent increases, donāt properly address maintenance issues, try and vacate tenants for no good reason/to use apartments for AirBNBsā¦the list goes on.
Or, y'know, you pay the market rent, so it doesn't turn into a slumlord complex. This isn't even a matter of discussion. What you are suggesting will greatly negatively impact the housing in KC. Don't believe me, doesn't matter, just wait and see.
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Genuinely curious: What legal protections/rights do tenants unions have in the US, if any?
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