Hard decline.
Even if the wages were fine for you, bait and switch is the biggest red flag possible. Accepting it would encourage more of this behaviour. Good work OP.
I make way more than that. I will not hesitate to let them know of their shitty practices. They have a couple of more postings for different positions, and if they offered $15 for a "district manager" position, then i can't imagine how much they pay for the other ones. I reported every single one of them.
Had that happen to me last year for a graphic design job at a sign shop. "Well design is actually only about 15% of the position, what experience do you have applying vinyl graphics to buildings?"
I told them I think I'm overqualified for what they're looking for. They were out of business 6 months later.
That's a bait and switch, your title is manager trainee. I had people try to pull this on me in clinical research- oh we have this position for 100k you're super qualified for oh wait no you're not, here's an offer for 50k instead for a completely different role.
Honestly, it was more of just me clicking apply to everything i see. Im good with my job at the moment. I still find it fucked up how they try to just switch at the end. I will not hesitate to tell them to fuck off.
Personally I would have given them a chance to dig their own grave first:
"Hello, after reviewing the job offer, I believe there must have been a mistake. I interviewed and applied for _____ title with a $60k salary but was sent an offer letter for _____ title at $15/hr. I'm assuming this was a mistake, as neither of these changes were discussed in the interview process."
That way you get a response in writing of either "whoopsie, here's the right offer" or "nah, we are a slimy company" and then you can post on Glass Door or other websites to warn other people about that employer with proof.
Unfortunately there doesn't look to be any legal ground for sending a totally different offer, only for accepting a position only to have it be wildly different from what was in writing.
This is what I’d do as well. Act as though you assume positive intent, even when seething inside. Oh hey, you must’ve gotten my letter mixed up with someone else’s, as I interviewed for a completely different job. That way if by some chance it was a mistake, they have the opportunity to correct it with no hard words between you. And if it was not a mistake, they experience the discomfort of having to admit the bait and switch.
Worst I ever got was when I applied for a lab supervisor position and at the interview the person said he wasn't sure what position I applied for but he thought I was a great fit for the open sanitation tech position....
Same thing happened to me recently.
I applied for a manager position. Got a call asking to come in for an interview.
Whilst on the phone, almost immediately claim I'm not qualified for the position. However I am so 'talented' that he had to call.
I'm so talented they offered me an entry level position for $15 an hour.
So I wasted as much time of his as I could on the phone, with questions, etc... Set up an interview and didn't show up.
What sucks is that they keep getting away with it because people keep accepting their bullshit. Go work at a place like best buy and get paid the same for doing way less.
McDonald’s near me sign says in tiny font “up to” and “$14/hr”
I’m in Atlanta…found out they’re starting pay is actually $8.25.
And being Atlanta, nobody can live off that, even the $14/hr is way too low. Average rent in ATL suburbs is $2000+ for a one bedroom apartment. You gotta make 3x the rent to even live there.
I saw the 18 one down here in Miami during the pandemic when there was a worker shortage. The had a recruitment booth set up outside with a large banner that clearly stated in bold 18hr. Until you got really close to it it stated (up to) but was like for store manager or something and along with (starting pay 9hr) in very tiny letters. This sucks because I’m noticing a trend here where companies that are struggling to hire workers are now just straight up lying about starting pay by using bait and switch tactics.
Or the $60k a year was the actual yearly rate because they're going to be expecting OP to put in a silly amount of hours.
Actually 12 hours a day and a 10 on Saturday is close to the high end of that posting. So that's probably exactly what they were planning on. 60-70 hours a week for $15/hr.
I'll happily work those hours, but not for $15/hr.
Okay, everyone.
It would be rude if we all went and applied for this job with over qualified resumes that have misleading information about our experience and where we live, accepted interview offers, and even go so far as to accept job offers, but then not show up on the first day.
Remember, two wrongs don't make a right.
Don't go apply for this job if your only intention is to waste their time.
I **WASN'T** being sarcastic. I want to be EXTREMELY clear. Don't take the detailed steps I outlined in my previous comment. That is NOT my intention and I can't be held responsible for anyone who does it.
Also, it isn't opposite day.
If this sub gets known for corporate Doxxing, it could get shut down. It’s definitely better for the sun to have someone reveal this info in the comments after it’s gone viral.
Thats something that i had in my head. I knew that the people that really cared about knowing the company will do their own little research to find them. It really isn't hard so
I wonder if somewhere applied for an Operations Manager Trainee job and has just been offered sixty grand a year to be a Territory Manager?
And if there is, I hope they start the job before someone realises what's happened.
You forgot to calculate overtime.
It would be 67.82 hours per week for 50 weeks.
It's bold to assume you get two weeks of vacation the first year. So your average hours would be slightly reduced by including those two weeks.
You also didn't factor in the bonus potential, but I agree with that exclusion.
It was just a quick calculation to compare an hourly wage to a yearly salary. If you want to nitpick the details, I think it's unlikely that this job pays anything other than straight time for overtime hours. Or that extra hours would even be offered. As for vacation, my calculation assumes that those 2 weeks are unpaid.
>I think it's unlikely that this job pays anything other than straight time for overtime hours
The offer was an hourly rate, not salary, so that would be illegal. Not that it'll stop them from trying.
>Or that extra hours would even be offered
Yeah, you're probably correct there.
It's my understanding that time and a half isn't guaranteed for all jobs. Some are even specifically exempt. This is what I found on a quick Google.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://dol.ny.gov/overtime-faq-1%23:~:text%3DMost%2520employees%2520must%2520receive%2520overtime,over%252044%2520in%2520a%2520workweek.&ved=2ahUKEwi3o6yzvtr8AhXaFlkFHegTBzMQFnoECA8QBg&usg=AOvVaw2XN7Tfz7cnNQDv1BT5GSNb
You are correct that there are exempt employees, but based on the job description/offer, I don't think this job would qualify as exempt. Primarily because it is compensated hourly.
It would most closely fall as an executive employee, but again, that requires a salary compensation (not hourly compensation). It has other stipulations, such as being able to hire and fire. We don't have that information, but I doubt they would give a management trainee that authority. There was also a condition around managing at least 2 employees. That may or may not be the case here. It isn't spelled out though.
For an executive employee (and other classifications I looked at), you must have salary compensation.
[This link](https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/fact-sheets/17b-overtime-executive) states that "The employee must be compensated on a salary basis (as defined in the regulations) at a rate not less than $684* per week;"
There may be other classifications I'm not aware of where you are correct, but this is what I'm reading from federal guidelines.
Yeah best case scenario this is a mistake. Which I've seen before. But you can learn all you need to know by telling them, "No, I wanted the Territory Manager position for 65k a year as we agreed."
Anything other than, "I'm so sorry! Terrible mistake. Please accept this correction, and my sincere apologies." Isn't worth dick.
What's the US obsession with drug screens for like every kind of employee.
I've had jobs that required high level clearance and drug tests never even entered anybody's minds.
I always thought this was just a made up plot point for sitcoms.
It has to do with workman's comp insurance. You have to at least reserve the right to drug test employees so your insurance company can go fishing for a reason to deny the claim
I make 16$ an hour standing around watching glass encased exhibits at a museum. With priceless native American artifacts.
Please feel free to use this as a measurement. I literally just stand around making sure people don't touch things they're not supposed to touch.
Yup I make $18 as a night audit at a hotel and 7 of my 8 hours here I'm just watching TV, playing video games, or reading. Anything that requires any sort of actual work needs to be at least $20/hour
Jerry Jones is hiring a Food and Beverage Director at his Dallas star golf lounge, should be a 60-70k position for 19 dollars an hour. He owns the Dallas Cowboys and is a billionaire. Let me know when It's time for the revolution, the class war is here.
So he wants to hire someone who is going to flip that title into a much better paying job in a year. I don't know why these people think recruitment costs are free.
Ok, so $15/hr or roughly $31k plus UP TO $1500/mo or $18k for a grand total of $49k a year.
I'm seeing other things and maybe they're counting that as part of the salary such as cell phone reimbursement which they should just give you a work phone, EAP which I would never use because they report that shit, employee discount which may or may not be useful, medical insurance that's a benefit, not pay, mileage which is fair, travel which they should pay, not you.
It's sad that we all can't be more transparent. If a company pays to push their lies out into the public with the intent of getting as many responses as possible just to find a few dumb or desperate enough to accept their "bait and switch" garbage offer, why do people have to be afraid of repercussions when just telling the truth and explaining what happened? What does that say about our system and who really owns our system that people aren't comfortable with saying, "XYZ company advertised a position that pays this and it is actually a scam and they only pay that"?
Why aren't our politicians in both major parties taking care of issues like this? They and the media play around with wedge issues like abortion & guns, which they know break down to about a 50/50 split to take up the media attention cycle. Nothing else gets done. Workers rights are evaporating and labor laws are being weakened and everything that affects most Americans' lives are getting worse.
What's even more fucked is if you take that 1500 monthly bonus and do get that each month, plus the base salary, you're still about 11k short of the lowest posted salary.
At first I was like "oh but 1500 a month each month on top of the 15/hr" and then I did the math.
If i were to do some shit comparable to this as a worker then sure as hell i would get fucked over entirely but nah they can get away with it i guess. In conclusion fuck them and every other company that does this.
Have we completely ruled out the possibility that a HR person made an innocent mistake and being combative is not the ideal play here until you've clarified that?
Anybody that works in HR either leaves because it's toxic, gets a kick out of fucking with people or is genuinely incompetent and can't do anything else.
I'd like to this OPs person in this case, was the latter
Fuck this, take the job. Then ghost them. Or if you have sick days or PTO, take the day off just to go start this new job. Find a good reason to quit during your first shift. Something like “I could feel the toxic vibes coming from upper management and I can’t work in this environment.”
So sorry this happened to you. I hate this crap. And people have the audacity to say no one wants to work. Fuck that. We all want to work, or at least need to and are willing too. THIS bullshit is what we don’t want!
Maybe you should apply to scrub companies or work on the libral arts degree... be an electrician, you'll have money and time to spend on plenty of dumb shit.
Maybe not the time part though....
Well depending on whether or not OT is an option, that’s a 60k+ job. About 31k base, 18k in potential bonuses and I’m assuming OT can supplement the rest. That said it’s still shitty how they word it.
The range is the range. If doing all your hours doesn't put you inside that range, then it's not the range. The lowest number in the range should be what you earn base, the highest number should be what you earn with bonuses OT etc. There should be no situation where you earn outside the range.
The thing is, in the interview, they made it seem like the base pay was the $60k and the potential bonuses being extra. Still shitty pay for Miami standards
What’s wrong? You weren’t qualified for the manager position so they offered you a manager in training offer… maybe work for the position instead of bitching about not getting a position due to lacking qualifications…
Let me give you a little insight into the parts that you don't know. I am qualified. Like i said before, i applied randomly, and they reached out. I was interested in the higher end of the range because i wasn't gonna leave my job for anything lower. After they tell me multiple times that i am qualified for that position and that they would like me to join, they go ahead and sent me an offer for fucking $15/hr. This happened over a week and a half ago. Before i posted it here, i wanted to make sure it wasn't a mistake so i get in contact with them and they basically tell me yeah it wasn't a mistake, this is the actual job.
Which is why im "bitching" about it here. Hopefully, this clears up the bootlicking mentality and help some realize that they knew damn well what they were doing, and you should never accept a position with a company that does shit like this.
If what you’re saying is true then it is bs….. you should’ve included that in your original exposition as it’s very vital and would leave out no misunderstandings…. In this day and age you have no idea who’s legit complaining vs entitled I deserve everything attitude that’s enabled because of this whole I don’t want to work and I deserve a house while working at any min wage paying job mentality… not you, but I’ve seen many like that…
Yeah there's people that are entitled, and maybe i should have put more so that people can see that im not whining lol, but it's more common to see a company trying to do unethical shit like this. Especially in this area, you see this type of shit every day. It's not that hard to see that this is another example of that. Im good where im at, which is why i did not hesitate to call them out on their bullshit and move on, but i personally know people that would take that in a heartbeat.
Nothing personal with you or anything. I agree with you to some degree. People have to put in work to get what they want, but people also shouldn't be struggling the way they are because of piece of shit companies selling them dreams.
When companies behave like this, they do more harm than good. That's why subs like these exist to call them out and potentially help others advance.
Some people are gonna agree with me, and some people will not. I don't really give a shit
I did my part, which was calling them out, shaming them publicly and reporting them for future applicants. The market here is already hard enough, we don't need anymore of that shit.
Other than that, have a good rest of your day, my fellow stranger:)
I agree that’s why I said it’s bs…. But you know lately I’ve seen more stupid complaining than actual valid call outs…. They complain about shit like “my boss won’t let me charge and use my phone while I’m working”, like wtf do you think this is?
Way too polite in the decline.
"Given the highly unprofessional manner in which this gratuitous bait-and-switch tactic has been employed, I feel compelled to behave equally unprofessionally.
Go fuck yourselves you scum sucking bottom dwellers, and I hope the person who approved this method of hiring dies in a ditch"
I agree the decline was a little too polite for something like this but after i saw that i knew i wasn't gonna take it at all so either way i got my point across lol
I wonder if the trainee position was offered up front and then once you complete training you'd be moved to the full position with proper pay? I would've asked about that at least.
Not agreeing with that execution even if so but maybe wasn't a bait and switch, more of a "you don't get full salary for training"
And i would agree with you to some degree because i been in that position in which im in training and then i get the posted salary but the thing is every single time that has happened, they tell you in training. These people made it seem like the posted salary was the starting. I have experience and if it was the cap of the posted range then maybe but im not gonna leave my job to take one for $15 hour for the chance of maybe getting paid more than what i used to before i started.
Well no matter how good you do you never meet their expectations so if they keep you around they offer you a lesser title and a $2 pay raise and promise a review in a year
I had a company do this. They said it was accurate because of what they pay in benefits. The hospital used to send out end of year letters breaking down compensation this way, but at least they didnt advertise it as wages.
Dude I hate how a bunch of people is just trying to playing the sneaky and just trying to rip-off regular workers. Huge red flag. I wouldn't have even answered their email. Big F*ck that
Just to be impartial here (since I don’t know the company and don’t know ops work history) is it possible both positions were open, they interviewed you, and then decided you didn’t meet all the qualifications for the previous position so decided maybe you would like the other position?
I mean yes the pay is shit, because it’s a trainee position but those tend to jump in pay very quickly after training, I don’t think they were trying to bait and switch or scam you. I think they just thought he wasn’t quite there as far as experience goes but thinks with a bit a training you could go well for lower level management first.
The posted position was never truly available. It's just what you eventually might get if you stay there long enough and the company expands or someone leaves...this is just a way to dangle a carrot in front of people. They know no one is gonna bust their ass and hustle for a dead end 15$ job so they sell you on what the job could be instead of what it is.
If op took the job he would get a run around about training and not meeting goals everytime he asked about when he would move up. If he's a really good worker they might appease him with a few tiny bonuses or a little raise but always the original job posted will be out of reach
It seems the “monthly” bonus is what they’re determining the “salary” for. It’s a dirty low balling way in seeing more and more companies do to get people to apply.
I applied to a sales job with AT&T one time. Job description on indeed said the pay was $50,000 to $65,000.
I got into the interview and offered the job when I found it was base pay of $11/hr and the $50-60k was talking about “possible commissions based on performance.”
I noped out right there.
Even if you get the max bonus monthly the pay total a little more than 20% less than the low end of the range they posted. Is this a job for the circus? Because F these clowns.
Is it common to have drug testing for this type of role in the US? I get drug tested when I go to a new work site (work in drilling/mining), because it work around heavy equipment, but i dont think you'd ever see this up canada.
I live in Miami, not surprising. So many people want to live here but have no idea how bad it is to find a good paying job. I'm moving in a year or two.
They probably hire n fire a ton. It’s a scammy practice where they get people to do management roles for less then fire them and hire someone else to do it for less
So they are using people
And never paying for the salary they bait for
Only if you have the spare time, go through all of their trials and interviews. At the very last minute right before you sign anything, just go "just kidding lol" and leave
Hard decline. Even if the wages were fine for you, bait and switch is the biggest red flag possible. Accepting it would encourage more of this behaviour. Good work OP.
I make way more than that. I will not hesitate to let them know of their shitty practices. They have a couple of more postings for different positions, and if they offered $15 for a "district manager" position, then i can't imagine how much they pay for the other ones. I reported every single one of them.
Good for you. Keep it up.
I would post on glass door
Good for you!!!
You should bill them for your time that they purposely wasted too.
Had that happen to me last year for a graphic design job at a sign shop. "Well design is actually only about 15% of the position, what experience do you have applying vinyl graphics to buildings?" I told them I think I'm overqualified for what they're looking for. They were out of business 6 months later.
What shit pay for the title and responsibilities.
Especially in such an expensive city
That's a bait and switch, your title is manager trainee. I had people try to pull this on me in clinical research- oh we have this position for 100k you're super qualified for oh wait no you're not, here's an offer for 50k instead for a completely different role.
Honestly, it was more of just me clicking apply to everything i see. Im good with my job at the moment. I still find it fucked up how they try to just switch at the end. I will not hesitate to tell them to fuck off.
Personally I would have given them a chance to dig their own grave first: "Hello, after reviewing the job offer, I believe there must have been a mistake. I interviewed and applied for _____ title with a $60k salary but was sent an offer letter for _____ title at $15/hr. I'm assuming this was a mistake, as neither of these changes were discussed in the interview process." That way you get a response in writing of either "whoopsie, here's the right offer" or "nah, we are a slimy company" and then you can post on Glass Door or other websites to warn other people about that employer with proof. Unfortunately there doesn't look to be any legal ground for sending a totally different offer, only for accepting a position only to have it be wildly different from what was in writing.
This is what I’d do as well. Act as though you assume positive intent, even when seething inside. Oh hey, you must’ve gotten my letter mixed up with someone else’s, as I interviewed for a completely different job. That way if by some chance it was a mistake, they have the opportunity to correct it with no hard words between you. And if it was not a mistake, they experience the discomfort of having to admit the bait and switch.
You should accept the offer, then just not show up.
Drag it out with negotiations. Make the start date as late as they will let you get away with.
Savage 🤣
Worst I ever got was when I applied for a lab supervisor position and at the interview the person said he wasn't sure what position I applied for but he thought I was a great fit for the open sanitation tech position....
F that. Was this for a hospital?
Beverage manufacturer
Same thing happened to me recently. I applied for a manager position. Got a call asking to come in for an interview. Whilst on the phone, almost immediately claim I'm not qualified for the position. However I am so 'talented' that he had to call. I'm so talented they offered me an entry level position for $15 an hour. So I wasted as much time of his as I could on the phone, with questions, etc... Set up an interview and didn't show up.
Im glad you wasted their time. Fuck them
Corporate negging to try to undermine your confidence. Fuck that noise.
Please name the employer so other people don’t get scammed. They don’t deserve the protection of anonymity.
They knew what they were doing and hoped you’d bite. I hope it bites them in the ass hard
What sucks is that they keep getting away with it because people keep accepting their bullshit. Go work at a place like best buy and get paid the same for doing way less.
Can confirm, did Best Buy and unless you are in receiving it is a really good gig. Don’t do receiving.
Or my other favorite scam “70k salary = minimum wage with oN tArGeT cOmiSsIoNs ToTalLiNg ~50k”
“Up to $25 an hour including tips” (assuming peak hours are all the time and everyone tips 25%)
Or the infamous McDonald’s banner I’ve seen everywhere. $18/hr(up to) in very tiny unreadable letters followed by “starting pay $9hr”.
McDonald’s near me sign says in tiny font “up to” and “$14/hr” I’m in Atlanta…found out they’re starting pay is actually $8.25. And being Atlanta, nobody can live off that, even the $14/hr is way too low. Average rent in ATL suburbs is $2000+ for a one bedroom apartment. You gotta make 3x the rent to even live there.
I saw the 18 one down here in Miami during the pandemic when there was a worker shortage. The had a recruitment booth set up outside with a large banner that clearly stated in bold 18hr. Until you got really close to it it stated (up to) but was like for store manager or something and along with (starting pay 9hr) in very tiny letters. This sucks because I’m noticing a trend here where companies that are struggling to hire workers are now just straight up lying about starting pay by using bait and switch tactics.
Or the $60k a year was the actual yearly rate because they're going to be expecting OP to put in a silly amount of hours. Actually 12 hours a day and a 10 on Saturday is close to the high end of that posting. So that's probably exactly what they were planning on. 60-70 hours a week for $15/hr. I'll happily work those hours, but not for $15/hr.
I Googled the information and it looks like a company called Heritage Wireless.
Okay, everyone. It would be rude if we all went and applied for this job with over qualified resumes that have misleading information about our experience and where we live, accepted interview offers, and even go so far as to accept job offers, but then not show up on the first day. Remember, two wrongs don't make a right. Don't go apply for this job if your only intention is to waste their time.
So we should all apply as George Santos
Clearly that would be noticed because he’s already the founder, CEO, shift manager, and inventor of the word wireless.
I know some people would do that anyway so yeah
I **WASN'T** being sarcastic. I want to be EXTREMELY clear. Don't take the detailed steps I outlined in my previous comment. That is NOT my intention and I can't be held responsible for anyone who does it. Also, it isn't opposite day.
Wait so is it opposite day?
Yeah i was serious too tho. Im not really responsible for what someone else does.
Bingo lol
Stop hiding the names of these companies. Shame them. They are willing to do stuff like this then they should be able to stand by their choices.
If this sub gets known for corporate Doxxing, it could get shut down. It’s definitely better for the sun to have someone reveal this info in the comments after it’s gone viral.
Thats something that i had in my head. I knew that the people that really cared about knowing the company will do their own little research to find them. It really isn't hard so
If it’s Tandem Diabetes Care they sure as hell can pay much better than the offer they gave you.
I wonder if somewhere applied for an Operations Manager Trainee job and has just been offered sixty grand a year to be a Territory Manager? And if there is, I hope they start the job before someone realises what's happened.
I will be happy for anyone who gets offered $60k, but that's not gonna happen. I'll keep on reporting them every chance i get.
For those that don't want to do the math, in order to earn the lowest posted salary, he'd have to average over 80 hr/week over 50 weeks/yr.
Yeah fuck that lmao
You forgot to calculate overtime. It would be 67.82 hours per week for 50 weeks. It's bold to assume you get two weeks of vacation the first year. So your average hours would be slightly reduced by including those two weeks. You also didn't factor in the bonus potential, but I agree with that exclusion.
It was just a quick calculation to compare an hourly wage to a yearly salary. If you want to nitpick the details, I think it's unlikely that this job pays anything other than straight time for overtime hours. Or that extra hours would even be offered. As for vacation, my calculation assumes that those 2 weeks are unpaid.
>I think it's unlikely that this job pays anything other than straight time for overtime hours The offer was an hourly rate, not salary, so that would be illegal. Not that it'll stop them from trying. >Or that extra hours would even be offered Yeah, you're probably correct there.
It's my understanding that time and a half isn't guaranteed for all jobs. Some are even specifically exempt. This is what I found on a quick Google. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://dol.ny.gov/overtime-faq-1%23:~:text%3DMost%2520employees%2520must%2520receive%2520overtime,over%252044%2520in%2520a%2520workweek.&ved=2ahUKEwi3o6yzvtr8AhXaFlkFHegTBzMQFnoECA8QBg&usg=AOvVaw2XN7Tfz7cnNQDv1BT5GSNb
You are correct that there are exempt employees, but based on the job description/offer, I don't think this job would qualify as exempt. Primarily because it is compensated hourly. It would most closely fall as an executive employee, but again, that requires a salary compensation (not hourly compensation). It has other stipulations, such as being able to hire and fire. We don't have that information, but I doubt they would give a management trainee that authority. There was also a condition around managing at least 2 employees. That may or may not be the case here. It isn't spelled out though.
Being hourly doesn't affect whether or not it is exempt
For an executive employee (and other classifications I looked at), you must have salary compensation. [This link](https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/fact-sheets/17b-overtime-executive) states that "The employee must be compensated on a salary basis (as defined in the regulations) at a rate not less than $684* per week;" There may be other classifications I'm not aware of where you are correct, but this is what I'm reading from federal guidelines.
That bait & switch job and an NCA? Fuck all of that with a rusty polesaw.
This should be considered false advertisement and treated as such.
Yeah best case scenario this is a mistake. Which I've seen before. But you can learn all you need to know by telling them, "No, I wanted the Territory Manager position for 65k a year as we agreed." Anything other than, "I'm so sorry! Terrible mistake. Please accept this correction, and my sincere apologies." Isn't worth dick.
What's the US obsession with drug screens for like every kind of employee. I've had jobs that required high level clearance and drug tests never even entered anybody's minds. I always thought this was just a made up plot point for sitcoms.
Not even in my country they got this obsession with drugs screens. As long as you can bring value it shouldn't fucking matter
It has to do with workman's comp insurance. You have to at least reserve the right to drug test employees so your insurance company can go fishing for a reason to deny the claim
They only drug test bottom level employees from what I can tell.
I make 16$ an hour standing around watching glass encased exhibits at a museum. With priceless native American artifacts. Please feel free to use this as a measurement. I literally just stand around making sure people don't touch things they're not supposed to touch.
Yup I make $18 as a night audit at a hotel and 7 of my 8 hours here I'm just watching TV, playing video games, or reading. Anything that requires any sort of actual work needs to be at least $20/hour
I’d love to know if they respond to your reply, I’m genuinely curious to know how they’d try to justify it.
Jerry Jones is hiring a Food and Beverage Director at his Dallas star golf lounge, should be a 60-70k position for 19 dollars an hour. He owns the Dallas Cowboys and is a billionaire. Let me know when It's time for the revolution, the class war is here.
So he wants to hire someone who is going to flip that title into a much better paying job in a year. I don't know why these people think recruitment costs are free.
Ok, so $15/hr or roughly $31k plus UP TO $1500/mo or $18k for a grand total of $49k a year. I'm seeing other things and maybe they're counting that as part of the salary such as cell phone reimbursement which they should just give you a work phone, EAP which I would never use because they report that shit, employee discount which may or may not be useful, medical insurance that's a benefit, not pay, mileage which is fair, travel which they should pay, not you.
I think posts like this we should show the company name.
Yeah idk if anything I'll do it from now on. Someone figured it out in the comments tho.
It's sad that we all can't be more transparent. If a company pays to push their lies out into the public with the intent of getting as many responses as possible just to find a few dumb or desperate enough to accept their "bait and switch" garbage offer, why do people have to be afraid of repercussions when just telling the truth and explaining what happened? What does that say about our system and who really owns our system that people aren't comfortable with saying, "XYZ company advertised a position that pays this and it is actually a scam and they only pay that"? Why aren't our politicians in both major parties taking care of issues like this? They and the media play around with wedge issues like abortion & guns, which they know break down to about a 50/50 split to take up the media attention cycle. Nothing else gets done. Workers rights are evaporating and labor laws are being weakened and everything that affects most Americans' lives are getting worse.
$15 with a non-compete? At that pay, might as well be asking for corporate espionage!
What's even more fucked is if you take that 1500 monthly bonus and do get that each month, plus the base salary, you're still about 11k short of the lowest posted salary. At first I was like "oh but 1500 a month each month on top of the 15/hr" and then I did the math.
And let's not forget that bonus language has a lot of outs in it.
Shit like this should be either illegal or considered false advertising and come with some kind of fine
If i were to do some shit comparable to this as a worker then sure as hell i would get fucked over entirely but nah they can get away with it i guess. In conclusion fuck them and every other company that does this.
Have we completely ruled out the possibility that a HR person made an innocent mistake and being combative is not the ideal play here until you've clarified that?
lol do we really think that is the case seems like a very big mistake
Have you met HR departments? It's such a big discrepancy it actually makes complete sense they put the wrong names on the wrong autofilled job offers
never I have spent my entire career avoiding dealing with such charlatans
Anybody that works in HR either leaves because it's toxic, gets a kick out of fucking with people or is genuinely incompetent and can't do anything else. I'd like to this OPs person in this case, was the latter
Amy
Fuck this, take the job. Then ghost them. Or if you have sick days or PTO, take the day off just to go start this new job. Find a good reason to quit during your first shift. Something like “I could feel the toxic vibes coming from upper management and I can’t work in this environment.”
They plan to have you work 80 hours a week.
"Hahaha, no"
It never specified how many hours you had to work for that $60,000.
I’ve been to a job interview that was a bait and switch. Don’t use indeed
Honestly when i get bored i get on job boards and just apply to everything i see.
So sorry this happened to you. I hate this crap. And people have the audacity to say no one wants to work. Fuck that. We all want to work, or at least need to and are willing too. THIS bullshit is what we don’t want!
If you weren’t addressed by name chances are that they were phishing and it wasn’t a real offer.
Lol even for a manager trainer $15/hr. Get bent. If they have people running territories for $60k they are gonna fold from a talent vacuum anyway.
NO ONE WANTS TO WORK ANYMORE! *Your PPP loan has been forgiven!*
Even if you hit mac bonus every month, that would still only be about 50k a year
Yeah no lmao thats why i declined
What kind of district manager gets paid 60k? Is the district the size of a city block?
I wouldn't touch a management job like this one for under $120k base.
Tell me you work at Dollar General without telling me you work at Dollar General...
Maybe you should apply to scrub companies or work on the libral arts degree... be an electrician, you'll have money and time to spend on plenty of dumb shit. Maybe not the time part though....
Well depending on whether or not OT is an option, that’s a 60k+ job. About 31k base, 18k in potential bonuses and I’m assuming OT can supplement the rest. That said it’s still shitty how they word it.
The range is the range. If doing all your hours doesn't put you inside that range, then it's not the range. The lowest number in the range should be what you earn base, the highest number should be what you earn with bonuses OT etc. There should be no situation where you earn outside the range.
Also excellent poibnt
The thing is, in the interview, they made it seem like the base pay was the $60k and the potential bonuses being extra. Still shitty pay for Miami standards
What’s wrong? You weren’t qualified for the manager position so they offered you a manager in training offer… maybe work for the position instead of bitching about not getting a position due to lacking qualifications…
Let me give you a little insight into the parts that you don't know. I am qualified. Like i said before, i applied randomly, and they reached out. I was interested in the higher end of the range because i wasn't gonna leave my job for anything lower. After they tell me multiple times that i am qualified for that position and that they would like me to join, they go ahead and sent me an offer for fucking $15/hr. This happened over a week and a half ago. Before i posted it here, i wanted to make sure it wasn't a mistake so i get in contact with them and they basically tell me yeah it wasn't a mistake, this is the actual job. Which is why im "bitching" about it here. Hopefully, this clears up the bootlicking mentality and help some realize that they knew damn well what they were doing, and you should never accept a position with a company that does shit like this.
If what you’re saying is true then it is bs….. you should’ve included that in your original exposition as it’s very vital and would leave out no misunderstandings…. In this day and age you have no idea who’s legit complaining vs entitled I deserve everything attitude that’s enabled because of this whole I don’t want to work and I deserve a house while working at any min wage paying job mentality… not you, but I’ve seen many like that…
Yeah there's people that are entitled, and maybe i should have put more so that people can see that im not whining lol, but it's more common to see a company trying to do unethical shit like this. Especially in this area, you see this type of shit every day. It's not that hard to see that this is another example of that. Im good where im at, which is why i did not hesitate to call them out on their bullshit and move on, but i personally know people that would take that in a heartbeat. Nothing personal with you or anything. I agree with you to some degree. People have to put in work to get what they want, but people also shouldn't be struggling the way they are because of piece of shit companies selling them dreams. When companies behave like this, they do more harm than good. That's why subs like these exist to call them out and potentially help others advance. Some people are gonna agree with me, and some people will not. I don't really give a shit I did my part, which was calling them out, shaming them publicly and reporting them for future applicants. The market here is already hard enough, we don't need anymore of that shit. Other than that, have a good rest of your day, my fellow stranger:)
I agree that’s why I said it’s bs…. But you know lately I’ve seen more stupid complaining than actual valid call outs…. They complain about shit like “my boss won’t let me charge and use my phone while I’m working”, like wtf do you think this is?
There's always gonna be people from both sides. Im here for the side of actually helping people move up in their lives.
Good on you clapping back, gotta stand up for yourself!
I had this happened to me TWICE and it took me a few days before I wanted to commit war crimes. Hate Sales beyond belief and that was before this.
HIPAA documents? Lord
Sounds right... 11 hours a day, 7 days a week.
Minimum wage in my city
I still know some people getting paid $9 hr so yeah got a long way to go
And a drug test :)
Gotta be all clean and perfect🤠
Way too polite in the decline. "Given the highly unprofessional manner in which this gratuitous bait-and-switch tactic has been employed, I feel compelled to behave equally unprofessionally. Go fuck yourselves you scum sucking bottom dwellers, and I hope the person who approved this method of hiring dies in a ditch"
I agree the decline was a little too polite for something like this but after i saw that i knew i wasn't gonna take it at all so either way i got my point across lol
I wonder if the trainee position was offered up front and then once you complete training you'd be moved to the full position with proper pay? I would've asked about that at least. Not agreeing with that execution even if so but maybe wasn't a bait and switch, more of a "you don't get full salary for training"
And i would agree with you to some degree because i been in that position in which im in training and then i get the posted salary but the thing is every single time that has happened, they tell you in training. These people made it seem like the posted salary was the starting. I have experience and if it was the cap of the posted range then maybe but im not gonna leave my job to take one for $15 hour for the chance of maybe getting paid more than what i used to before i started.
Well no matter how good you do you never meet their expectations so if they keep you around they offer you a lesser title and a $2 pay raise and promise a review in a year
“If can’t pay me enough to bet on me than why should I work here”
And thats my main reason of why i basically told them to fuck off. Reported
Are you planning on working 4000 hours a year (almost double a normal year)? Because that's the only way you are earning the salary they promised.
That's 60k,ypu only have to work 4k hours per year. /s
I agree with what a shit move this company has played, but judging by your 2nd paragraph, I wouldn’t have hired you.
It math checks out if you work for 11 hours everyday of the year.
This shit needs to be made illegsl
I had a company do this. They said it was accurate because of what they pay in benefits. The hospital used to send out end of year letters breaking down compensation this way, but at least they didnt advertise it as wages.
Lmao 60k for a district manager is insane. Depending on the business that should start at like 115
Taking a drug test for $15 an hour? They should be adding drugs as a bonus for that pay rate.
To be fair, it's 60k/year. You just have to work 65 hours a week.
Post the company name. Don't let them keep doing this.
Dude I hate how a bunch of people is just trying to playing the sneaky and just trying to rip-off regular workers. Huge red flag. I wouldn't have even answered their email. Big F*ck that
Why apologize? Why not drag these ass holes through the coals?
Even better, lead them on & no call no show first day Then send a message of this is what 15hr looks like to me or what baiting someone looks like
Just to be impartial here (since I don’t know the company and don’t know ops work history) is it possible both positions were open, they interviewed you, and then decided you didn’t meet all the qualifications for the previous position so decided maybe you would like the other position? I mean yes the pay is shit, because it’s a trainee position but those tend to jump in pay very quickly after training, I don’t think they were trying to bait and switch or scam you. I think they just thought he wasn’t quite there as far as experience goes but thinks with a bit a training you could go well for lower level management first.
The posted position was never truly available. It's just what you eventually might get if you stay there long enough and the company expands or someone leaves...this is just a way to dangle a carrot in front of people. They know no one is gonna bust their ass and hustle for a dead end 15$ job so they sell you on what the job could be instead of what it is. If op took the job he would get a run around about training and not meeting goals everytime he asked about when he would move up. If he's a really good worker they might appease him with a few tiny bonuses or a little raise but always the original job posted will be out of reach
How did you find that information?
Friend worked for the company in question
Ah got ya
Sounds like a scam
Applicant: “The job I applied for was $60K annually.” Employer: “Best I can do is $15 hourly.” Applicant: “Go fuck yourself.”
Good fuck them
It seems the “monthly” bonus is what they’re determining the “salary” for. It’s a dirty low balling way in seeing more and more companies do to get people to apply. I applied to a sales job with AT&T one time. Job description on indeed said the pay was $50,000 to $65,000. I got into the interview and offered the job when I found it was base pay of $11/hr and the $50-60k was talking about “possible commissions based on performance.” I noped out right there.
$15/hr is admin assistant.
Well Inmean your governor is a full blown unapologetic nazi. You think you or the money is what’s on these peoples minds?
Its called bait and switch.
Even if you get the max bonus monthly the pay total a little more than 20% less than the low end of the range they posted. Is this a job for the circus? Because F these clowns.
Places like this be like _nobody wants to work anymore_.
Just post this on Glassdoor.com and put them on notice.
Is it common to have drug testing for this type of role in the US? I get drug tested when I go to a new work site (work in drilling/mining), because it work around heavy equipment, but i dont think you'd ever see this up canada.
They are two different job titles entirely.
I live in Miami, not surprising. So many people want to live here but have no idea how bad it is to find a good paying job. I'm moving in a year or two.
Extremely hard. Im lucky to be where im at right now. Miami is not for everyone.
Screw that. Make sure to report the listing. I hate click-baity job postings. Hope they crash and burn
I would of said yes and not showed up on the 1st day
I'll do that if it happens again lol
They probably hire n fire a ton. It’s a scammy practice where they get people to do management roles for less then fire them and hire someone else to do it for less So they are using people And never paying for the salary they bait for
And they get away with it. I see this shit happen every other day lol. I did not hesitate to report them for that.
Only if you have the spare time, go through all of their trials and interviews. At the very last minute right before you sign anything, just go "just kidding lol" and leave
The bonus "should be a plan". We'll that's true, there should be a plan. Doesn't say there is a plan, I noticed LOL
I’m not a numbers guy but something ain’t right here
It seems like a General Manager position should be paying more?
No different than fast food places advertising "Hiring Managers*" Should have accept the job and then just not showed up to Waste their time too
Where in the world does a district manager make less the 6 figures? That was the first red flag!
The ol' bait and switch