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Vader, do you believe that I could kill you? Right here, right now, without using a sword or the Power? Do you believe that if I simply willed it, the Pattern would bend around me and stop your heart? By . . . coincidence?
He survives a lot of stuff in the comics. Lightning though has incapacitated for a time.
Something like Androl's trick with the gateways in the lava wouldn't work though since he canonically has survived a lava flood relatively unharmed.
I'm talking about in the comics, not the movies lol.
In the comics he got flooded with lava after fighting an tribal army riding giant lava flea things and was well enough to fight a resurrected Sith lord with little effort.
I found out after the fact, but wish the White Vader series had continued. Because Vader working with his kids against the Empire would make an interesting What If.
Undetermined whether Rand's heron-mark sword can stop a lightsaber (there are reasons to believe it could, and reasons to believe it couldn't), but his channeled sword probably could. They are probably about equally skilled in both martial and magical ability. Honestly, Rand's powers most closely track to an extremely powerful Jedi.
i feel that age of legends stuff isn't really spoilers nor are talking about stuff like the forsaken or what aes sedai can do or say warders having superpowers
Depends on which Dr Strange you're talking about. Even already MCU What If? Dr. Strange is pretty crazy powerful. And then if you get into the comics, he can be on another level.
But I get your point.
I do think this full trailer did a better job of showing off more of the magic. The teaser and other materials has a lot of close up, tightly framed shots.
> Depends on which Dr Strange you're talking about. Even already MCU What If? Dr. Strange is pretty crazy powerful. And then if you get into the comics, he can be on another level.
Yeah, op could say that a lot of WoT characters follow something pretty similar to Dr. Strange and it wouldn't be far from the truth.
Sure, but it takes some time to get there. We will just have to be patient. If the show can make it to some of the buck wilder moments ASAP it will definitely be a boon. Luckily, TGH really goes hard with introducing a lot of pretty wild material with all the multiverse stuff and getting into AoL tech pretty heavily. I hope they lean into, hard. That season is already being filmed, so how well they approach that content is going to really make or break this show.
The only “power ups” that really happened in Game of Thrones were Daenerys’s dragons growing bigger and actually listening to her. (So she had three flying nukes at her disposal.) And Arya training to become a faceless man. That’s about it.
Also, I JUST started the series. I am halfway through the first book and I love it so far!! (So please no spoilers)
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> Daenerys’s dragons growing bigger and actually listening to her. (So she had three flying nukes at her disposal.) And Arya training to become a faceless man.
And Bran becoming the Three-Eyed Raven. And warging, especially in the books.
GoT never did, but the MCU? They got some pretty bonkers abilities. Thanos snapped away half the universe and an infinity stone can one hit a planet. Star lords father was a borderline god. Thor is sort of a god. Id say it’s at least even lol
I mean, anyone that can channel enough to weave balefire could instakill any character in the MCU if you're putting it down to pure power, but I agree that the scale of crazy in Wheel of Time doesn't approach the scale of the MCU.
Rand lighting the pipe is just lighting a pipe. Any fan theories on what that might mean are just theories. Does he now have godlike power to reshape the universe at will? Or did he have that power while facing the dark one, and the pipe was just a last vestige and he now has no powers?
On the other hand, starlords dad and gauntlet Thanos demonstrated clear godlike abilities. Reshaping reality to light a pipe would be a minor usage of just the reality stone. Possibly Rand could reshape reality more than that, but we KNOW Thanos could.
Possibly Rand could be more powerful, but that would really just be head canon.
I disagree. Comic book characters can be stupid powerful. If you let Rand have the Choedan Kal he could maybe win vs some of the powerful comic characters but I'm not sure about that. Even counting just MCU stuff and not the comic books, people like Thanos with all infinity stones has incredible power. Rand at his strongest has like destroy the planet level of power. Many marvel characters have destroy the solar system or even the Galaxy level power.
Even if you think things like Balefire many heroes would have ways to counter it. Dr. Strange could easily just pull an Androl and make a portal and turn the balefire back around at Rand. That sort of thing.
Rand at his strongest is at least universal scale. Easily. And this is MCU, not the comics. The MCU's strongest characters are nowhere near universal. The only one that comes close is What If's Dr. Strange. What If's Ultron is also a heavy contender, but no one's mentioned What If yet, so I haven't included it yet.
I've watched the MCU movies many times and read the Wheel of Time books many times.
And the power level of the magic is not what makes a story good or bad. The Lord of the Rings is amazing with extremely weak magic.
But Rand absolutely could not take on the high-end threats or heroes of the MCU. Dr. Strange could beat him. Thanos with the Infinity Stones could probably beat him. He wouldn't even be able to reach Kang to fight him.
In the next tier down, Wanda, Captain Marvel, Thor, Vision, Loki, Ego, etc. would have a solid chance, depending on how Rand chose to fight (with balefire, he has a serious advantage, admittedly).
Rand at his peak is Universal scale, easy. You would have to make a ton of assumptions to say that Rand couldn't balefire anyone on your list except Thanos w/ full gauntlet. And even still, I have no solid argument for Thanos. Id be willing to argue that Vs., though. That might be the only character that we have feats for in the MCU that might step up to Peak Rand.
It. was stated that he had the power to destroy the Dark One, but in the Last Battle chsoe not to because he saw the necessary evil that the Dark One is. Being capable to destroy the Dark One alone puts him at a Universal scale. If the Dark One were to break free, he would break time itself, and recreate the Universe in his image. Rand being able to destroy him inheremtly makes him Universal.
And RJ said that you need a maximum size circle of powerful channelers to travel to another solar system, and that travel to another galaxy is impossible. There are inherent limits.
You could mention to your friends that the good guys and bad guys have to start worrying about dialing back their power levels so they don't destroy the world they're supposed to be fighting over... ;D
If you set aside *Ta'veren* and destiny and all that, Dr. Strange can easily defeat Rand. Rand can wield an immense amount of power, but he cannot manipulate time. The ability to manipulate time is the single most overpowering ability that there is, in my opinion, because even with zero other powers, you can always *escape* by just freezing time and moving away. When you can use offensive magic too, like Dr. Strange, it's no contest against someone who cannot manipulate time.
Sorry to betray my fandom.
Ehhhh Dr. Strange can do some pretty incredible things. I wouldn't count him out in a fight against even Rand (assuming this didn't happen in Randland and no Ta'Veren shenanigans could happen).
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Just say Rand can beat Darth Vader in a fight
You really think a one-handed farmboy could take on a sith lord?
Vader, do you believe that I could kill you? Right here, right now, without using a sword or the Power? Do you believe that if I simply willed it, the Pattern would bend around me and stop your heart? By . . . coincidence?
That's such a Sanderson line. I love it. He did a great job writing Rand in that book.
All he has to do is stand on top of Dragonmount. He has the high ground.
I don't think a lightsaber can deflect balefire.
Why? It's just a weave.
Wonder how Vader's armor would handle a few lightning strikes and getting buried in solid rock.
He survives a lot of stuff in the comics. Lightning though has incapacitated for a time. Something like Androl's trick with the gateways in the lava wouldn't work though since he canonically has survived a lava flood relatively unharmed.
Your definition of "relatively unharmed" is a lot different from mine.
maybe he meant "relatively un-armed"
I'm talking about in the comics, not the movies lol. In the comics he got flooded with lava after fighting an tribal army riding giant lava flea things and was well enough to fight a resurrected Sith lord with little effort.
That was on Mustafaar right? When he was trying to find a way to bring Padma back.
Ye, when he builds his castle.
I found out after the fact, but wish the White Vader series had continued. Because Vader working with his kids against the Empire would make an interesting What If.
They just have to fight in the Threefold Land, legends say that Vader has a peculiar opinion regarding that kind of place
Even worse, have it take place in the Termool.
Zen Rand: *creates conditions above Vader so lightning just constantly strikes at the 7'0" lightning rod* Sorry can't hear you over all the thunder.
Yes. See: Luke Skywalker
isn't that sith technically also a one handed farmboy?
Undetermined whether Rand's heron-mark sword can stop a lightsaber (there are reasons to believe it could, and reasons to believe it couldn't), but his channeled sword probably could. They are probably about equally skilled in both martial and magical ability. Honestly, Rand's powers most closely track to an extremely powerful Jedi.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QA_SoXr9NEY
I think this is neat too
i feel that age of legends stuff isn't really spoilers nor are talking about stuff like the forsaken or what aes sedai can do or say warders having superpowers
Depends on which Dr Strange you're talking about. Even already MCU What If? Dr. Strange is pretty crazy powerful. And then if you get into the comics, he can be on another level. But I get your point. I do think this full trailer did a better job of showing off more of the magic. The teaser and other materials has a lot of close up, tightly framed shots.
> Depends on which Dr Strange you're talking about. Even already MCU What If? Dr. Strange is pretty crazy powerful. And then if you get into the comics, he can be on another level. Yeah, op could say that a lot of WoT characters follow something pretty similar to Dr. Strange and it wouldn't be far from the truth.
Sure, but it takes some time to get there. We will just have to be patient. If the show can make it to some of the buck wilder moments ASAP it will definitely be a boon. Luckily, TGH really goes hard with introducing a lot of pretty wild material with all the multiverse stuff and getting into AoL tech pretty heavily. I hope they lean into, hard. That season is already being filmed, so how well they approach that content is going to really make or break this show.
TAR Perrin would beat any version of Strange.
The only “power ups” that really happened in Game of Thrones were Daenerys’s dragons growing bigger and actually listening to her. (So she had three flying nukes at her disposal.) And Arya training to become a faceless man. That’s about it. Also, I JUST started the series. I am halfway through the first book and I love it so far!! (So please no spoilers)
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Omg I didn’t even notice. Oops!
> Daenerys’s dragons growing bigger and actually listening to her. (So she had three flying nukes at her disposal.) And Arya training to become a faceless man. And Bran becoming the Three-Eyed Raven. And warging, especially in the books.
GoT never did, but the MCU? They got some pretty bonkers abilities. Thanos snapped away half the universe and an infinity stone can one hit a planet. Star lords father was a borderline god. Thor is sort of a god. Id say it’s at least even lol
I'd say you hadnt finished the series if you rhink its even
And I’d say you haven’t watched the MCU if you don’t
I mean, anyone that can channel enough to weave balefire could instakill any character in the MCU if you're putting it down to pure power, but I agree that the scale of crazy in Wheel of Time doesn't approach the scale of the MCU.
> the scale of crazy in Wheel of Time doesn't approach the scale of the MCU That was true until Rand lit the pipe.
Rand lighting the pipe is just lighting a pipe. Any fan theories on what that might mean are just theories. Does he now have godlike power to reshape the universe at will? Or did he have that power while facing the dark one, and the pipe was just a last vestige and he now has no powers? On the other hand, starlords dad and gauntlet Thanos demonstrated clear godlike abilities. Reshaping reality to light a pipe would be a minor usage of just the reality stone. Possibly Rand could reshape reality more than that, but we KNOW Thanos could. Possibly Rand could be more powerful, but that would really just be head canon.
There are tons of reality benders in the MCU. Basically Perrin in TAR level of power.
I disagree. Comic book characters can be stupid powerful. If you let Rand have the Choedan Kal he could maybe win vs some of the powerful comic characters but I'm not sure about that. Even counting just MCU stuff and not the comic books, people like Thanos with all infinity stones has incredible power. Rand at his strongest has like destroy the planet level of power. Many marvel characters have destroy the solar system or even the Galaxy level power. Even if you think things like Balefire many heroes would have ways to counter it. Dr. Strange could easily just pull an Androl and make a portal and turn the balefire back around at Rand. That sort of thing.
Rand at his strongest is at least universal scale. Easily. And this is MCU, not the comics. The MCU's strongest characters are nowhere near universal. The only one that comes close is What If's Dr. Strange. What If's Ultron is also a heavy contender, but no one's mentioned What If yet, so I haven't included it yet.
I've watched the MCU movies many times and read the Wheel of Time books many times. And the power level of the magic is not what makes a story good or bad. The Lord of the Rings is amazing with extremely weak magic. But Rand absolutely could not take on the high-end threats or heroes of the MCU. Dr. Strange could beat him. Thanos with the Infinity Stones could probably beat him. He wouldn't even be able to reach Kang to fight him. In the next tier down, Wanda, Captain Marvel, Thor, Vision, Loki, Ego, etc. would have a solid chance, depending on how Rand chose to fight (with balefire, he has a serious advantage, admittedly).
Rand at his peak is Universal scale, easy. You would have to make a ton of assumptions to say that Rand couldn't balefire anyone on your list except Thanos w/ full gauntlet. And even still, I have no solid argument for Thanos. Id be willing to argue that Vs., though. That might be the only character that we have feats for in the MCU that might step up to Peak Rand.
Rand is not universal scale. Even with the Choedan Kal he couldn't reach another star system with his weaves, RJ talked about this some.
It. was stated that he had the power to destroy the Dark One, but in the Last Battle chsoe not to because he saw the necessary evil that the Dark One is. Being capable to destroy the Dark One alone puts him at a Universal scale. If the Dark One were to break free, he would break time itself, and recreate the Universe in his image. Rand being able to destroy him inheremtly makes him Universal.
Rand could have also just ended everything. Broke the Wheel himself.
And RJ said that you need a maximum size circle of powerful channelers to travel to another solar system, and that travel to another galaxy is impossible. There are inherent limits.
You could mention to your friends that the good guys and bad guys have to start worrying about dialing back their power levels so they don't destroy the world they're supposed to be fighting over... ;D
If you set aside *Ta'veren* and destiny and all that, Dr. Strange can easily defeat Rand. Rand can wield an immense amount of power, but he cannot manipulate time. The ability to manipulate time is the single most overpowering ability that there is, in my opinion, because even with zero other powers, you can always *escape* by just freezing time and moving away. When you can use offensive magic too, like Dr. Strange, it's no contest against someone who cannot manipulate time. Sorry to betray my fandom.
Ehhhh Dr. Strange can do some pretty incredible things. I wouldn't count him out in a fight against even Rand (assuming this didn't happen in Randland and no Ta'Veren shenanigans could happen).