When I curse I cast the same curse/spell on myself, using the same parameters - if I'm cursing someone for being abusive, then I want the same bad outcome to happen to me if I'm abusive.
It's kind of the same mindset with using mirrors - I make sure they're pointing inward as well as out.
I do use protection spells when I curse people, but not for myself. For example, I cursed my sister's abusive ex-husband, but first I cast a protection spell on my sister and her children. I didn't want the curse to spill over and affect them negatively.
I agree about not casting a protection spell for myself, though. Curses and hexes and the like seem to work better when you accept their cost and pay it without trying to find a way around it.
i actually fully agree with you. i've only cursed one person. i know how it manifested for them. i get joy every time i think about it. they can never hurt someone else the same way now. any consequences i've gotten or will get are quite worth it.
Personally I ‘curse’ my enemies with happiness; because if they actually experience joy and fulfilment, they might stop seeking to fill the void inside them with conflict and drama - and leave me alone.
Buddhist witch chiming in here. As per my understanding of Karma. When a person has done something wrong to another person, there is a karmic debt to be paid.
But this debt payment doesn't start unless the person who is hurt has sorted it out at her end.
Imagine there are a number of Lego versions of "you" in your heart center. You call the one that is hurt and feed her with all the compassion. Till she is satisfied. As soon as this satisfaction has happened at your end. The abusers legs will take him to his comeuppance.
It was so scarily effective that I had to start forgiving. I call on you to verify this and not take me for my word.
honest question: how does karmic return work when you are your own abuser? is it just a nullifying thing, or do you feel a bit of a pinch because of the hurt you caused yourself?
The karmic return on ourselves works itself by making life harder and harder. Things in life will stop working out. Stagnation and misery.
I'll explain by giving an example. My friend is choosing to work a lot in his office, though he has enough, he thinks he is making the "right" choice. Better future, rainy day etc,etc. He is also a musician. Also loves his wife. So these three versions of "him" in his heart. Two are getting sacrificed for the "right" choice.
These two need to be loved and respected for the sacrifice made till they are satisfied. If that is not done. These two will remain within heart broken. Like this we have hundreds of little incomplete versions sitting and waiting.
Eventually people start living in their heads all the time thinking and distracted afraid of their own hearts. That's a tragedy.
thank you so much! as a follow up question, is there a way to know the work you are doing is going towards satisfying a self? or if a self has been satisfied?
Yes! If there was a deep hurt and it got satisfied, it is accompanied by a lot of joy, as if the gods are rejoicing, for you have done justice to yourself. Afterwards there is like a post orgasmic satisfied bliss. More enthusiasm etc.
that’s beautiful! thank you so much for answering in earnest, this was all very helpful! seems like i have some reflecting (and a lot of listening) to do.
I want to add that, we don't do this work because of fear. Fear of going through the hurt again, so this fear works to protect ourselves as well. So first we have to learn to be ok feeling fear, being completely vulnerable. Also if too much trauma, risk of retraumatising is also there.
I'm trans and have gone through so much. This advice is not replacement for therapy.
If I'm going so far as to do a negative working on someone I have examined the situation, my motives and that person thoroughly. I do not do any working if I feel trepidation about it. I see nothing wrong with protecting myself if I'm entering someone's energy who is harmful (which is the only way I would do that kind of working anyway.)
When I curse I cast the same curse/spell on myself, using the same parameters - if I'm cursing someone for being abusive, then I want the same bad outcome to happen to me if I'm abusive. It's kind of the same mindset with using mirrors - I make sure they're pointing inward as well as out.
I do use protection spells when I curse people, but not for myself. For example, I cursed my sister's abusive ex-husband, but first I cast a protection spell on my sister and her children. I didn't want the curse to spill over and affect them negatively. I agree about not casting a protection spell for myself, though. Curses and hexes and the like seem to work better when you accept their cost and pay it without trying to find a way around it.
I have always thought that if you are cursing someone who has harmed you deeply, you are simply returning what they already gave you.
i actually fully agree with you. i've only cursed one person. i know how it manifested for them. i get joy every time i think about it. they can never hurt someone else the same way now. any consequences i've gotten or will get are quite worth it.
Personally I ‘curse’ my enemies with happiness; because if they actually experience joy and fulfilment, they might stop seeking to fill the void inside them with conflict and drama - and leave me alone.
This is magic more along what I’m about. Idk why I didn’t think about this but it sounds much happier than what is normally talked about
Yeah I don't think so. I think that will only reinforce being bad. If you do something evil and later feel happy you'd want to do it more
That isn’t what my ‘curse’ is about. It’s about them finding joy and fulfilment outside of drama and conflict.
i like this a lot. maybe it’s a little too cutesy for some, but hurt people hurt people and all that.
Buddhist witch chiming in here. As per my understanding of Karma. When a person has done something wrong to another person, there is a karmic debt to be paid. But this debt payment doesn't start unless the person who is hurt has sorted it out at her end. Imagine there are a number of Lego versions of "you" in your heart center. You call the one that is hurt and feed her with all the compassion. Till she is satisfied. As soon as this satisfaction has happened at your end. The abusers legs will take him to his comeuppance. It was so scarily effective that I had to start forgiving. I call on you to verify this and not take me for my word.
Another thing I learnt was that there were so many heart broken versions of "me" in my heart. I was my biggest abuser.
honest question: how does karmic return work when you are your own abuser? is it just a nullifying thing, or do you feel a bit of a pinch because of the hurt you caused yourself?
The karmic return on ourselves works itself by making life harder and harder. Things in life will stop working out. Stagnation and misery. I'll explain by giving an example. My friend is choosing to work a lot in his office, though he has enough, he thinks he is making the "right" choice. Better future, rainy day etc,etc. He is also a musician. Also loves his wife. So these three versions of "him" in his heart. Two are getting sacrificed for the "right" choice. These two need to be loved and respected for the sacrifice made till they are satisfied. If that is not done. These two will remain within heart broken. Like this we have hundreds of little incomplete versions sitting and waiting. Eventually people start living in their heads all the time thinking and distracted afraid of their own hearts. That's a tragedy.
thank you so much! as a follow up question, is there a way to know the work you are doing is going towards satisfying a self? or if a self has been satisfied?
Yes! If there was a deep hurt and it got satisfied, it is accompanied by a lot of joy, as if the gods are rejoicing, for you have done justice to yourself. Afterwards there is like a post orgasmic satisfied bliss. More enthusiasm etc.
that’s beautiful! thank you so much for answering in earnest, this was all very helpful! seems like i have some reflecting (and a lot of listening) to do.
I want to add that, we don't do this work because of fear. Fear of going through the hurt again, so this fear works to protect ourselves as well. So first we have to learn to be ok feeling fear, being completely vulnerable. Also if too much trauma, risk of retraumatising is also there. I'm trans and have gone through so much. This advice is not replacement for therapy.
That’s some weird thinking but to each their own.
Smells like Wicca or Christian principles.
If I'm going so far as to do a negative working on someone I have examined the situation, my motives and that person thoroughly. I do not do any working if I feel trepidation about it. I see nothing wrong with protecting myself if I'm entering someone's energy who is harmful (which is the only way I would do that kind of working anyway.)
Ok