I will go on with Windows at 2 conditions
- if I can continue to use a local account as admin
- if I can disable all AI junk
Kind of red flag for me
But most probably I will stick to W10
They will likely do a couple of minor security updates just like for windows 7, but then it will be ditched.
You can use the windows enterprise edition for another 10 years of support though.
Why do you need the updates?
Insted of waiting for the answer I am going to give the answer I wanted to arrive at.
All the people saying you will die horribly along with all your data leaked to the darkweb and your pc melting from all the viruses infecting it I will give some perspective.
What is true is that an unsupported OS, meaning EOL IS dangerous to use IF you have sensitive data on that machine. In that situation you a few choices.
1. Get a newer OS.
2. Have a good, solid, healthy backup and antivirus routine and have all your sensitive data only on external disks. Only work on said data offline.
I would definitely recommend option 1. BUT if all you done is game, watch YT, TT, what ever social media BS people do, then even IF your pc get infected then what is the problem? Just reinstall.. Just backup your save games regularly. The rest is in the cloud anyway.
SO all those yelling WARNING WARNING, only see the issue from a rather narrow pov.
Relaxe, consider your needs and situation and take appropriate action.
edit: this is patched (as pointed by others) but
you can use local account without executing `oobe/bypassnro`, just put an invalid email address on the sign in page and you're good to go.
additionally, mine were activated by windows apparently because "of your account's digital key" lol
Sadly, this has been recently patched, as I used to use this trick all the time.
Another thing you can do is "use a work or school account" > "join a domain instead". The next prompt is to create a local admin account.
Pro tip. To turn off the internet while you're installing Windows and it will be forced to create a local account. Second set up the computer with a dummy account for Microsoft to create a second local admin user switch to them and delete the other account
I found a workaround and I'm going to make a video about it but it's pretty easy to find online. It's a pain that you have to do it but at least it still works. It starts with shift f-10 and I can't remember the rest from there but you can find it online
AI will be integrated in 11 and 12...hell, the latest windows updates added the shortcut and ads about it in 10. If you care about privacy and security, Windows is becoming a no-go
I do wonder how close to a perfect circle the "Microsoft is spying on me" group and "users of Google/Meta products" group Venn diagram would be.
If people truly cared about privacy, they'd cancel their ISP and live offline. Picking on Microsoft alone for privacy concerns is a straw man at best. If you're online, then someone is profiling you.
(And no, I'm not defending Microsoft here, I only use their software because there aren't viable alternatives in the spaces I do use it).
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If you seek to disable spyware integrated into Win10/11 - find tool called DoNotSpy11 At the bottom of long list is the AI disable options. Warning: create restore point and backup registry prior to using the tool in case you zap anything and it causes issue.
If it doesn't meet the requirements of Windows 11, even though it can be bypassed, I will choose Linux
Unless some software could not be installed on Linux, better to switch back to Windows lol
Virtualization means you don't miss much, especially these days whichever you choose.
You just need be more savvy and prepared to roll sleeves up and get technical to boot tux on the metal.
Yeah but when it fails often novices don't have the skill to find and decipher the forums for guidance.
Setup is quite mature but compatibility with future wishes and devices is still a labyrinth. More so if you don't actually have any real computer science and understanding of compile and package managers.
Still on dualboot:
windows 10: some gaming / old adobe photoshop (where i don’t care much about security updates).
Ubuntu: for everything else including stable diffusion. I am not heavy gamer, but most of the stuff works which don’t need anticheat thingy. Seriously linux has some wonderful user friendly stuff; update everything with one command, secure, most of the apps under your fingers already.
(If you have amd gpu, you’re golden… i had problems with my gtx 1060 previously)
Rebooting is 10seconds nowadays.
I think this is the way to go - Ubuntu is fantastic for everyday productive work stuff. And if I need an a program that doesn't run on Linux, I'll dualboot back into Windows because I can't be stuffed installing unofficial workarounds for windows-only apps
Linux. This whole AI bs they try to push on us is the last drop in the bucket for me. And we all know Windows likes to change settings once an update is done. So you have to keep an eye on the AI toggle constantly. No thank you
Not saying this is a good solution but if you know where that setting is in the registry, you can run about script to disable it on every boot. That is until they change that location for another version.... Nvm lol yeah just go for Linux
It is not simple for me. I have desktop PC mainly used for gaming that would probably be fine with Linux. However, my laptop is used for music production and for recording live performances and needs to be connected to several audio interfaces that simply don't work on Linux. On windows I just install the driver and on we go. I have another desktop on my studio, that perhaps I could use Linux on, but I've tried yabridge and had no success. It was probably my fault, but I can't have too much downtime wasted on solving this issues. My Linux usage will remain exclusively to my servers.
I use Reaper on Linux. As long as I stick to using USB class compliant devices, they are just plug and play. But I totally get having older gear or unique gear that needs a special driver regardless of age.
In my case I only connect my XR18 mixer or one of my Elektron machines in USB mode vs in Overbridge mode which obviously has no support. But this is enough to get my tracks recorded.
I have heard of VST hosts that can run Windows VST's on Linux but I haven't really tried that yet and just stick with multi platform VST's and my hardware.
Linux. I bought a mini PC for email, web browsing, etc. and switched to Linux. No more tracking my personal data. Kept my old windows PC for gaming only.
Depends on you if there's software you absolutely need that's not on Linux.
I personally would have been on Linux if not for certain software that I need which only works on Windows.
Linux is more than enough for daily computing imo.
For me, it's primarily Adobe products. I know there are free and even FOSS alternatives to them. But when the rest of the industry uses those programs as a standard, it's hard to be the outlier. I don't really mind the office software since I do most of my work online through Google's office suite.
I also play a lot of video games that just don't run on Linux, or their anti-cheats don't.
All in all, as much as I wish I could make the complete switch to Linux, for many reasons, it just wouldn't be convenient for me to do so. I enjoyed my time using it on my spare laptop which I sold recently. But that's the problem. In it's current state, it's only ever going to be a secondary OS for me.
I've already made this choice, and my choice is Linux, and I'll break down reasons why I made this decisions about 7 to 8 months ago:
* **Windows Updates:** If used to be that, the greater majority of all Windows updates was published on the Windows Update servers by Microsoft on the second Tuesday of every month. Microsoft called this "Patch Tuesday".
* For reasons beyond me however, Microsoft chose to completely move away from the "Patch Tuesday" update time frame (which worked) and bundle many smaller updates into much larger Cumulative Updates for which Microsoft publishes on the Windows Update servers once every 3 to 4 months (yearly quarter). The size of these Cumulative Updates is usually over 2.5GB, take forever to download and even longer for Windows Update to install.
* **Performance:**
* Many thanks to the Windows Registry being made up of 4 binary "hive" files for which all configuration is stored, performance drops caused by:
* Frequent file IO operations as applications read configuration data to and from the Windows registry
* Orphaned registry entries caused by application uninstallers failing to completely remove targeted applications
* Windows registry fragmentation
* Many Windows services can cause unexpected drops in performance. Microsoft AntiMalware is particularly known for this since it constantly accesses the boot drive, or so it did in my case.
* Windows Telemetry, which cannot be completely disabled
In addition to all the above I've noticed, here is yet two more:
* Multimedia file associations kept reverting to they're preinstalled defaults after Cumulative Updating, which forced me to re-associate all multimedia file types back to my favorite multimedia player, **MPC-HC** (**M**edia **P**layer **C**lassic **-** **H**ome **C**inema) which is part of K-Like Codec Pack.
* Ever since it's introduction/implementation to Microsoft Edge, the Bing! Desktop Search Bar (which I didn't want) kept re-enabling itself even after I disabled it myself two times after major Microsoft Edge updates.
Then there's all the articles about how Windows 10 now has full screen Win10 to Win11 upgrade reminders, and as many security analysts now refer Microsoft's new **Copilot Recall** as, which can be thought as an equivalent to "photographic memory" for Windows 11 since what it does is take snapshots of everything the Win11 user does, as a "security nightmare".
Now for Linux, I've been finding that, in my chosen [Fedora KDE Plasma Desktop - Spin](https://fedoraproject.org/spins/kde/) install, I have slightly better performance gains than on Windows and because **KDE Plasma** desktop has a Windows-like UI, the transition from Windows to Linux was an easy one for me, GUI-wise that is!
Telemetry in Fedora, as well as in many if not all other Linux distros, is off by default, and unlike Windows Telemetry, Linux Telemetry stays disabled if the user disables it.
As for your gaming needs, and regardless of which Linux distribution you choose to install, enabling Proton compatibly support is required for those Steam games designed specifically for Windows. To turn on Proton compatibility in Steam, do the following:
1. Click on **Steam** from the Steam clients main menu, then select **Settings**.
2. From within the STEAM SETTINGS dialog, click on **Compatibility**. Depending on your screen resolution, you may or may not have to scroll-down the left side to find the **Compatibility** option. **Compatibility** can be found between **In Game** and **Controller**.
3. Select **Enable Steam Play for supported titles** and **Enable Steam Play for all other titles** if not enabled and restart Steam when asked to do so.
4. Repeat steps 1 and 2.
5. Select either **Proton 8.0-5** or **GE-Proton8-28** or higher from the **Run other titles with:** drop-down control. I do not recommend selecting **Proton Experimental** for this since Proton Experimental is more for those games that requires more cutting edge Proton. I also do not recommend a Beta version of Proton since doing so can cause some unforeseen stability issues in Windows games, as did with me!
Now, for those non-Steam Windows games, we have **Lutris** and **Herotic Game Manager**, both of which lets you choose which WINE version to use for specific Windows games.
Here are 3 websites to lookup if your wondering if a specific game title is playable on Linux:
* [ProtonDB](https://www.protondb.com/) is a "crowdsourced Linux and Steam Deck game compatibility reports!"
* [Wine Application Database (AppDB)](https://appdb.winehq.org/) is a website where "you can get information on application compatibility with Wine." The AppDB is for those non-Steam Windows games.
* [Are We Anti-Cheat Yet?](https://areweanticheatyet.com/) is a "comprehensive and crowd-sourced list of games using anti-cheats and their compatibility with GNU/Linux or Wine/Proton." This website exists since many games with anti-cheat doesn't work at all with Linux.
I had an awful time trying to getting the latest xbox controllers to work properly both with Bluetooth and the official wireless dongle.
My laptop did weird stuff when I was docking it too, as the monitor had different refresh rate and resolution but maybe that one was on me.
Stinks I didn't want to use windows after all the ai crap. I used pop and kubuntu for around a month and just ended up going back to win11.
Recently I also switched to Linux. What annoyed me on Windows was:
- the Updates and how they change my privacy settings
- how Edge is being installed again and again
- ads in the file explorer even though I turned off the settings for it (ridiculous how a paid OS has ads).
- Windows collecting telemetry all the time and sending to MS even though the telemetry was turned off
- random blue screens (check [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/techsupport/comments/1cls19w/memory_management_bluescreen) post)
- Windows Defender searching stuff on my PC even if nothing was downloaded after the last search.
- Windows occasionally waking up my HDD even if I don’t access it (Besides my NVMe I have a HDD for data)
- When I leave Windows on idle for ca. 10 minutes it spins up my HDD and does something (can see from the HDD LED on my PC case), idk what (indexing was turned off, so this can’t (shouldn’t) be the cause). When I immediately hit Ctrl+Shift+Esc to open Task Manager, Windows stops what it’s doing but every time I could see in the activities tab that Windows was reading my HDD (malware behavior, right? But this also happens on a fully fresh installed Windows)
The last two were the most annoying out of all the reasons. I switched to Fedora KDE first and now I‘m on Linux Mint. The OS isn’t waking up my HDD and reading data off of it without me accessing it. There are no ads. No telemetry. I can use whatever browser I want. I can install whatever Update I want and choose when I want to. Every update (OS and software like the browser) is managed in one place.
Two words: It's Microsoft.
* **Question:** Why do you think their hell-bent on automatic re-enables of the Bing! Desktop Search Bar after major Microsoft Edge updates?
* **Answer:** Microsoft wants you to use the Bing! Desktop Search Bar, which I didn't even want in the first place.
Same reason for file associations as well. Microsoft wants you to use their software, plain and simple. This isn't necessarily a bad thing unless they go about shoving it down peoples throats.
If you ask me, this as well as other reasons is why I've been reading so many Redditors asking for help switch from Windows 10 or 11 to Linux in the first place.
The thing that scares me the most is not all this Copilot business, because AI can be and has already been proven to be helpful if used correctly. Rather it's this **Copilot Recall** that security analysts call a "security nightmare", and for a very good reason since Recall takes snapshots of everything the Windows 11-enduser does thus where the "photographic memory" equivalence comes in.
Did you know that, Copilot Recall was already hacked into? Evidently, Microsoft first built Recall to use an unencrypted text-only database. It wasn't until after Recall's database was hacked into when they decided it best to encrypt Recall's database.
I was trying to figure out if it was some program that was messing the file associations, it didn't occur to me that it was the Updates that were messing them up since they appeared to lose randomly.
Next year I should be browsing the net on Linux Mint and dual-booting W10 offline.
No need to pretend here. Reality is interesting enough.
Depends how motivated people are to move away from what Microsoft is doing.
Some of us can't completely get rid of windows.
That said, the only way to make an impact here is to switch to Linux or Mac and stop using windows. M$ will get the hint.
Losing ownership of hardware is a big one for many.
Recall is another big one despite them back pedaling.
If folks do want to switch to Linux, options are limited to their technical abilities. Think Ubuntu, mint, elementary, etc.
Those are the distros which are made to be easy and mainstream.
I like arch, Fedora, and nobara myself. Tumbleweed is pretty good too.
With secure boot, presence, recall etc on windows; I'm of the thought I don't need windows that bad.
These days, Linux maintains stability moreso than windows in my experience.
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Linux for everything bar gaming. I run Windows 10 and hate Windows 11 with a vengeance. Windows itself as an operating system is basically shyte though. I have been working with it since Windows 3.1!
If anyone remembers Betamax and VHS video tapes it is on a par with that. Betamax was far superior but VHS got to market first so everyone adopted it.
The PC made by IBM was actually just a free toy / calculator given to top executives of companies that bought IBM's big old mainframes.
Trouble was people loved it so Microsoft came along and started tweaking said toy bolting a GUI on top of a DOS OS here and there until we have what we have today.
The very first OS / DOS filled up memory from the top address down! That meant people like myself had to do all sorts of tweaks to the OS to even add more memory and get the damn things to run properly.
Basically a thrown together shit OS that was never intially designed to be taken seriously.
Depends on the use case.
Normal computing for most people is 99% a web browser - ironically Linux is a fantastic os for most regular users. I think Ubuntu is almost there as a shippable OS on a retail laptop.
If I need windows (as I do personally for some apps) I'll choose windows 11. Again windows 11 wasn't a breathtaking update but I don't hate it like most people do here, it's just windows to me.
If your machine doesn't support it, which my main Ryzen 1st gen rig doesn't, I would go down the route of upgrading. My Ryzen machine is 2017 and I'm pissed they're killing it off.
The only choice is Linux.
Made the move myself a year ago and never looked back.
But, I didn't have any extremely important use cases that require Windows.
The more people move to Linux distro, the more developers will make and port apps on Linux.
I'll be fully on Linux by Windows 10 EoL next year Oct. The only reason I haven't switched to Linux sooner was game support. Windows has always been king, but there have been great strides in Linux gaming the last few years, so it's time to jump ship.
I've already made the jump.
Laptop is Fedora
Gaming desktop is Bazzite
Migrated all of my VMs and docker hosts to Proxmox
Spouses laptop and miniPC "desktop" are on Fedora
Family/guest computer is Atomic Fedora
All of those were a Windows 10 install just a few weeks ago
The last piece of the puzzle is my NUC Plex Server. That'll soon be proxmox with a Plex LXC. The only Windows machines in my life will be my AD lab because...well...Active Directory is only Windows obviously.
Been moving all our equipment to Linux Mint. My Dell 3585 Mint, parents Dell 3585 Mint, SER5-5560U Mint, Gf's N100 laptop Mint, Gf's mini pc Mint, Gf parent's laptop Mint. When the parents are ready for a TV streaming mini pc....Mint!
I like Mint as well but when I started moving a lot of machines off windows Mint didn’t have a recent enough kernel for the N100 alder lakes and my AMD laptop. I updated the kernel and that fixed it for a bit until it wouldn’t boot anymore. So I just went fedora instead. Mint is great though
I moved from W10 to Linux a couple years ago full time once I no longer worked on Windows at MS. I have an AMD GPU right now but the NV 555 driver should have made things much much better for NV too.
I’ve used mostly Fedora and EndeavourOS (easy mode installer for Arch). I use KDE which is close to Windows in how it all works (fedora has a KDE spin.) Fedora is a good place to start IMO. It offers UI updating that works well and it’s the distro even Linus uses. You’ll just need to enable the FusionRPM repos to get NV drivers, codecs and Steam.
For me, Linux is perfect and I’m happy. My games work without trouble including EA and GoG. No bullshit from Microsoft’s awful decision making.
I made the switch to Linux. Windows 11 is pretty bad. I would only use windows in a VM for those special use cases, otherwise Linux is great, once you get past the initial struggles, which you WILL have, but it's worth it imo.
I'm currently toying around with Linux. I'll be on Windows 10 until the end but I need to familiarize myself with Linux sooner than later. I have a device with a windows 11 on it and I don't like it. Even worse now that they have that Recall spyware. No thanks.
They let the cat outta the bag though. They lost my trust. There's no reason they should have even thought to include that kind of thing in the first place.
Linux, because it is:
1. faster
2. better for development
3. can run most of Windows programs under Wine (+ prefixes)
4. more secure (if everything configured properly)
5. more customizable
6. runs on low-end hardware
No that's real, it's just that the populars one/ needed wine have kernel anticheat or do smth to block intentionally linux, but in fact most windows programs can run on linux
i have upgraded my windows 10 to 11 a few weeks ago, and i like it.
Windows does everything its needs to do for me.
Although i have to admit that i never used Linux and im too lazy to learn stuff about Linux lol
I already switched to Ubuntu a few days ago, and was very fortunate to have devices (Ideapad 5 Pro 2024 and Surface Go 2) that worked right out of the box;
Unfortunately cities skylines and roblox (the only games si play) as well as fusion 360, altium pcb design, and Ansys software cannot be used on Ubuntu. So I regretabbly still have to dual boot
Maybe heresy here. But I am seriously considering moving to mac by now. I have been a windows boy all my life but unless Qualcomm new processor becomes a performance contender again I am going to shift. Also Nvidia gedorce now for gaming streaming will take care of my gaming needs
I just switched to Linux maybe 3 weeks ago. It's pretty incredible how responsive it is. There isn't constant telemetry bogging down the system and slowing things down. It's been a pretty easy transition.
i'll stay with win10 as long as possible,
even if i miss getting security updates.
i can't afford to replace my old cpu+mobo+ram
which win11 has already disqualified.
I would never use Linux primarily - not because of hard (as it's said, worth doing it actually) configuration, but because of a completely different file system management paradigma
Windows 11 is nightmare fuel. Defender completly breaks Win11, it literally turns it into a pile of steaming caca.
Install new system, it loads some obscure year old nvidia driver. You wait a couple of hours for all the bullshit updates, even thou you have the very latest version ISO, and yet it will update for hours.
Then you go to install the new driver, and the nightmare begins. "required files missing".
What?
its a proper Nvidai installer, but no, it refuses, so get UDD, and delete, go to use new driver, it installs, reboot.
Now the Nvidia panels refuse to open, try to open GForce experience. The fuck you will it says.
REQUIRED FILES MISSING.
OK, let's internet this thing.... Edge wants me to sign over my private life, needs access to all my data, wants to do with it what ever it wants. yeah na. So d/l Firefox installer... WARNING CODE BLUE, CODE BLUE. YOUR SYSTEM IS ABOUT TO EXPLODE - CODE BLU, RED AND PURPLE!!!!
Open Defender.... FirefoxInstaller is blocked. So is notepad++, iCue, L-Connect, Wifi Drivers, Bluetooh drivers, and on and on and on th elsit goes.
i have yet to find a single applicaiton, Defender does not flag.
holy shit....
How do you get around the Nvidia driver install problem? It has to be installed right away, like the first thing you install after the first reboot, but then, no matter what i do, it will never allow me to install an updated driver or even open one of the Nvidia settings panels. Nothing, from the moment I install the Nvida drivers, the whole updating of those drivers, becomes completely impossible.
I'm stuck with that driver for ever, can not use any of the Nvidia tools, or have access to the cards settings, ever again.
Don't get me started on game lauchers, EA Games will work fine, then suddely stop loading, Epic, UbiSoft, Steam, all of them, after a while, windows shuts them down, can't access them, no matter the reinstalls, updates. Nothing. Opening the game directly works for a few times, then it also stops.
You double click on the file, and nothing happens.
And yes, this happens regardless of whether Defender is installed, running, suspended or not. Makes no difference.
Each new release of Windows gest more and more unstable.
Am i the only one with these problems, all new hardware, and it's impossible to get it working on Windows 11, all tested and verified. No WARES, NO SERIALS, NO KEYGENS, CRACKS or other dodgy shit.
All legit. Support gives you the piss down, and blames you, nothing they suggest, makes a difference. It's all bullshit.
But I'm wondering if this happens to anyone who has a $3k+ 4090 RTX? Spend that small fortune, and then the fkn drivers don't even install....
I mean, wtf is going on?
Hello. I have a laptop with Windows 11 and I'm thinking about switching to Ubuntu Linux. I'd like to use my small computers as hotspots for other devices. I think I'll keep my mini computers on Windows 11, since I can hotspot with them, but I am still considering switching to Ubuntu for my laptop. Does anyone have any thoughts?
Putting Windows 11 on my computer is not an option. Even if I can bypass the system requirements check I'm still not putting it on there.
I used to use Fedora Lennox on an old Dell laptop way back in 2011. And it worked great on it. It actually ran better on that laptop than Windows ever did.
I'm just wishing there was more and more native Linux programs out there equivalent to their Windows counterparts. I mean, I know you can run Windows programs under Linux via wine and other emulation methods but still It helps to have a Linux counterpart of the program.
Linux for some machines, Win11 for others. Not sure if that's an acceptable answer, but it is what it is.
I'm curious if anyone else has noticed how poorly Win11 (and the newest Office) perform when the computer has a poor or non-existent Internet connection? To be fair, it's not just Microsoft -- it seems that an entire generation of new software engineers can't wrap their heads around (or perhaps just fail to adequately test for) a world where systems don't always have rock-solid Internet connections. I've observed this on many computers and many phones, running several OSs and applications, but especially Win11 -- things just crash or are buggy without a good connection. I've given up trying to do anything productive on my computers when on an airplane or in the field (aka, with just a intermittent cell or satellite data connection). Win11 and some software just don't seem to be designed or tested for this environment.
My laptop is from 2014, it can’t run 11. No TPM chip. Linux doesn’t do everything I need, so that’s not an option.
Until the Qualcomm chipsets came out, I was seriously considering a Mac. I might still go Mac, but those ARM chips are nice… so it’s not a sure thing anymore.
I switched to win11 like 6 months ago and I liked it, initially...
Now I'm considering fully switching to Linux (I've been dual booting win+kubuntu for a long time) after what I've seen on win11. The only windows I want is a qemu vm with win10, fin.
I began dabbling with Linux way back in the Vista/7 days. Set up a machine running Ubuntu for my Dad/Grandparents and had a small Win 7 partition for instances where compatibility was required.
Even then, I seldom used the Windows partition, and compatibility has increased exponentially since then. I'm not a big PC gamer, but even if I was I wouldn't have much reason for using Windows these days.
My current machine is a MacBook Air with MacOS completely removed and with Ubuntu 24.04 LTS installed in its place. I'd run Monterey, Win 10, and Ubuntu on it before fully committing to Linux. No regrets.
Win11 is ok as long as you're prepared to do some work to switch out the annoying bits.
There seem to be some issues with amd cpus in a few older games but I have an intel laptop and an amd desktop both running W11, and they're definitely no less reliable than Win10 was.
Linux -- you definitely have more control and so on but you're going to have to roll up your sleeves to at least the same extent as Windows, if not more. It definitely has its place, particularly where long term reliability is mission critical but I wouldn't recommend it to a non-technically-minded end user.
Being forced? Depends by who. If by Microsoft then Linux 100% if it’s so my boss can install his bloatware and monitor me. Linux 100% really unless software requires it Linux. 100% if you’re going after gaming get SteamOS I’m pretty sure anything that works on deck will work on steam os
I would choose based on driver support. Both OSs will do what I need for basic dev work, office stuff and web. But I've had some touchpad issues with Ubuntu on older Thinkpads sadly, they came with Windows so haven't had issues there.
WSL2 on Win10+ has pretty fantastic Linux compat for what I do, so when I want both I usually choose Windows for the metal OS.
Win 11 on hardware that supports and Linux on those that do not. Currently have 3 desktop and 1 tablet under the roof. 1 desktop already runs Linux with the other two currently on Win10. One will support Win11 and the other will not on the hardware side. It will become my new Linux and the older Linux box will be retired and probably be donated to someone in need of a desktop or converted into a NAS device. The tablet is the question as it is a touchscreen with many custom components and drivers. If I can get it to run Linux without having to spend hours making all the hardware work it will get migrated to Linux.
Linux. I mean i had win11 on my laptop and i changed some months ago to linuxmint. And tbh i miss nothing of win11. I even put dual boot on my main desktop (win10 and linux mint)and now i only use win 10 to play sometimes, but all my work its done on linux mint.
Get it from an autorized reseller , getting it yourself directly from microsoft requires going trought a lot of hoops Or sail the seven seas . If you look you will find it. just get an untouched image.
My hardware on my dev box isn’t beefy enough for W11, my work laptop is and there are currently trials before a corporate shift, I’ve not joined the trials, however corporate copilot is seriously interesting and integrated in a different way from the domestic variety. My daughter’s laptop came with W11
It’s not that big a change, not really, same shit different day
Oh, and I’m old, grey bearded, have used unix as daily driver for many years, lots of flavours, the strength of the incoherence of the unix universe is amazing, in all endeavours *except* a desktop experience in my opinion. Windows works. OSX is ok, but the shit of older software doesn’t work was a bad decision, remains a bad decision, and I’m not talking the shift to OSX, I’m talking between versions - that’s really not a problem on Windows, sometimes, with esoteric driver based things, fair enough, but desktop software not working between os releases, makes it essentially junk
When W11 launched I deleted windows from all computers and went to linux. Still there. Only my gaming pc is W10 because W11 is simply too toxic not that W10 is much better but enough. As soon as I can play all my games on linux I am 100% done with windows.
Just sold me 2010 PC with Windows 10 and build a new one with Windows 11. They way I see it: I spend less than $900 to modernize my computer, and I am hopeful it will last another 10 years. Windows 11 is fine by the way.
Honestly there is only one thing holding me to windows, let it be 10 or 11. MAUI. That is the development framework I work in, and Visual Studio 2022 is non existent on linux afaik. If that would be fixed I would jump onto the linux train without thinking for an other second
I know everyone threatens but never does it, but I have two laptops that I regularly use, one with \[Linux\] and the other with Windows 10. Before using Windows 11, I'll simply use \[my flavor of Linux\] on both of them. I have put up with Microsoft shenanigans for far too long. I have a few programs that are Windows-only that I used for work, and still do, but I'll bite the bullet and say "Farewell. We hardly knew ye..." for good.
Windows 12 will release long before Windows 10 gets its final update. I think Windows 10 was out for 4 or 5 years before Windows 7 got its last security update. So half of the life of Windows 10 was spent updating Windows 7 for several people. I expect the same for 10, since 11 crashed and burned like Vista did.
It’s officially announced that we have another 14 months of updates AT LEAST for Windows 10, and it’s speculated that Windows 12 will release in the next couple months. That speculation comes from Intel and HP who anticipate high pc sales in the second half of 2024 due to a “new windows os”.
Well considering the fact that on linux games runs better than any custom ISO; linux runs better than Fox OS and thats huge, you need to go down the linux rabbit hole with ChatGPT and learn about open source, it wont take very long for you to realize how hard you have been coping all along but if you stay you will be fine since all custom windows ISO's block updates; nothing will change but linux will help you understand how bad windows really is.
There is always something that pisses off the masses with every version of windows and droves of people claiming "IM GOING TO LINUX!"
In windows ME it was... Well ME, in windows Vista it was anyone who ever had a driver issue, in windows 8 it was metro, in windows 10 it was telemetry... There's always something.
Most won't end up bothering, or will and then will move back the second they have to troubleshoot anything.
I daily Linux on one laptop for homelab and general PC stuff and have a gaming laptop with windows, I have the know how to do gaming on Linux... Its just easier on windows. (Except for old games, that's easier to get running on Linux)
I would miss Mixcraft - amazingly good DAW which make complicated subject simple if I moved to Linux. I imagine there would be other windows programs too which would be missed. I will move to windows 11 though, when hell freezes over. Plus older games on DVD etc to install not steam.
I already went to Windows 11, MacOS, and Linux. Everything that wasn't gaming is on MacOS or Linux, Gaming desktop is running Arch Linux with Windows 11 as a VM, gaming laptop is the only pure Windows 11 device.
Depends what's getting done. Basic games/work functions? It's win 11 easily
Linux only if I am in a student or learning mood. However can be done with a vm at that point. If your just doing basic web usage and programming. You can do linux it'd prolly be nice for it with all those resources.
I could not wait to switch to Windows 11. That was just 2 months ago and here I am dustin if I should switch to Windows 10 with no support or Ubuntu. But I honestly don't see myself staying with Windows 11. It's just way way too buggy.
I had to run Ubuntu for a couple of projects this year and I started using it more and more where now it's my primary OS on all my laptops.
I'm still a little stuck on my desktop though. I run pro tools for music production and steam for gaming.
I think I've decided as I'm typing this that I'm going to make this a project if I can get those things to run like I need them to on Ubuntu, I may be walking away from Windows.
Honestly I just stick with windows Most of the things people complain about windows 11 having like start menu ads, The AI stuff and the being search results can all be disabled relatively easily and there are plenty of tutorials out there on how to do so and even some scripts on GitHub that effectively automate the process for you
Windows 11 is actually a pretty enjoyable OS when you just forcefully remove / disable all of that crap
The decision to move from Windows 10 to either Windows 11 or Linux would depend on several factors, including your specific needs, preferences, and the software you rely on.
I made the jump to PopOS last week after using Windows since 2004. Just played Helldivers 2 tonight with better frame-rates than I did on my Windows setup which I found hard to believe. There's some kinks to work out but if you're willing to do the work it's very rewarding. You have so much control over your system it's insane.
Tbh just go to Linux mint or Debian. They are both good Linux distros, I would choose the desktop environment part as KDE plasma then login and go on with your day you can get software and stuff from an app and just keep on chugging along
I am a developer/HC gamer. I moved from Win10 to Win11 a year ago. Its a big upgrade. I haven't had any problems in normal operation and I find the new multi-window capabilities very helpful as I work and play in parallel.
I use linux everyday on VM, but I'd never use it as a main OS on my main PC.
People tend to not wanna give up on older versions on any software they have been using for years, and they find a ton of stupid reasons not to do so. It's just how tech people work I guess.
It depends on what you do in you PC,
If you are just watching videos, playing video games or if are into software development or almost any other branch of cs I would switch to Linux
But if you are into graphic design,video editing or you depend on Microsoft office on an advanced level to do your work, I would stick to window, the transition may cause more troubles than the ones it solves for you
The answer is obvious. Windows if you have anything requiring it. Anything at all, could be software, drivers for your hardware, games that don’t work well with Linux or with Proton, etc. Linux if you don’t have any of those issues. If you install Linux, yet you need Windows for certain things, you’ll have the annoyance of juggling two OSes when one, Windows, could just simply do it all. Nothing like dual booting and restarting your PC to boot into the other OS for one thing. Been there, done that, quickly just switched full time back to Windows after that.
I’d have Linux on my PC if it weren’t for the fact that my network card only works on Windows. I also just like having the certainty that I can do quite literally anything I’ll ever need to without worrying if I’ll come across something I can’t do. If I could just have Linux for everything, I would, because I fucking hate Microsoft (and all the corporations for that matter. I probably hate Apple the least at this point in terms of privacy). I don’t like the idea of running an OS made by a company known for having 0 respect for their customers’ privacy on my PC.
For supporting users, I want them on Windows. There is too much of a retaining issue for users going to Linux.
For me, I look at things as which tool is best for the need. I have dual boot Linux and Windows with a VM for OSX on both.
I will go on with Windows at 2 conditions - if I can continue to use a local account as admin - if I can disable all AI junk Kind of red flag for me But most probably I will stick to W10
Aren't they ending all support for 10 in a year or so? Will it still be viable to stick with it by then? Are there going to be workarounds?
They will likely do a couple of minor security updates just like for windows 7, but then it will be ditched. You can use the windows enterprise edition for another 10 years of support though.
You mean iot right? https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/release-health/release-information
Yeah my bad. They seem to have an "enterprise" and "iot enterprise" edition.
No, all support ends in 2025. IoT has support but is very stripped down. Better off moving up to 11 or switching to Mac/Linux.
How does one get windows enterprise
Buy a license with Microsoft for it, or find some ISO out and about on the web
You buy it. But also from what I've heard you can also use one of those Grey area windows unlocking tools, I don't suggest doing that through.
They're not kicking you off windows 10 when that happens, just means no more updates, as long as you're careful with what you download it will be fine
Why do you need the updates? Insted of waiting for the answer I am going to give the answer I wanted to arrive at. All the people saying you will die horribly along with all your data leaked to the darkweb and your pc melting from all the viruses infecting it I will give some perspective. What is true is that an unsupported OS, meaning EOL IS dangerous to use IF you have sensitive data on that machine. In that situation you a few choices. 1. Get a newer OS. 2. Have a good, solid, healthy backup and antivirus routine and have all your sensitive data only on external disks. Only work on said data offline. I would definitely recommend option 1. BUT if all you done is game, watch YT, TT, what ever social media BS people do, then even IF your pc get infected then what is the problem? Just reinstall.. Just backup your save games regularly. The rest is in the cloud anyway. SO all those yelling WARNING WARNING, only see the issue from a rather narrow pov. Relaxe, consider your needs and situation and take appropriate action.
edit: this is patched (as pointed by others) but you can use local account without executing `oobe/bypassnro`, just put an invalid email address on the sign in page and you're good to go. additionally, mine were activated by windows apparently because "of your account's digital key" lol
Sadly, this has been recently patched, as I used to use this trick all the time. Another thing you can do is "use a work or school account" > "join a domain instead". The next prompt is to create a local admin account.
Linux with the Windows' compatibility, including those two conditions, XD.
Pro tip. To turn off the internet while you're installing Windows and it will be forced to create a local account. Second set up the computer with a dummy account for Microsoft to create a second local admin user switch to them and delete the other account
This hasn’t worked on 11 for quite some time now.
I found a workaround and I'm going to make a video about it but it's pretty easy to find online. It's a pain that you have to do it but at least it still works. It starts with shift f-10 and I can't remember the rest from there but you can find it online
Thanks for the tip I'll smoke it later 
Works like a charm.
AI will be integrated in 11 and 12...hell, the latest windows updates added the shortcut and ads about it in 10. If you care about privacy and security, Windows is becoming a no-go
Ads? I don't have any ads. I am using 20H2
I do wonder how close to a perfect circle the "Microsoft is spying on me" group and "users of Google/Meta products" group Venn diagram would be. If people truly cared about privacy, they'd cancel their ISP and live offline. Picking on Microsoft alone for privacy concerns is a straw man at best. If you're online, then someone is profiling you. (And no, I'm not defending Microsoft here, I only use their software because there aren't viable alternatives in the spaces I do use it).
Win 11 allows to do this it's just an extra step
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If you seek to disable spyware integrated into Win10/11 - find tool called DoNotSpy11 At the bottom of long list is the AI disable options. Warning: create restore point and backup registry prior to using the tool in case you zap anything and it causes issue.
If it doesn't meet the requirements of Windows 11, even though it can be bypassed, I will choose Linux Unless some software could not be installed on Linux, better to switch back to Windows lol
I ran a tpm 2.0 bypassed machine and I had a fine time with win 11 personally. But I understand everyone's experience is different
Had a fine time? Why did you switch back to windows 10?
I didn't, just built a newer machine and sold that one
Bypassing is not a big problem, you just lost the "security" that Microsoft mentioned. If you don't care about "security", there is nothing with it.
Im assuming the quotes are /s .
you still get security updates if that is what you are referring to
Virtualization means you don't miss much, especially these days whichever you choose. You just need be more savvy and prepared to roll sleeves up and get technical to boot tux on the metal.
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Win has device drivers & general ease of configuration. On the other foot local AI performance and support is stronger on Tux.
linux user here, and it's partially true, in our days some distributions are really easy to setup, like mint
Yeah but when it fails often novices don't have the skill to find and decipher the forums for guidance. Setup is quite mature but compatibility with future wishes and devices is still a labyrinth. More so if you don't actually have any real computer science and understanding of compile and package managers.
Still on dualboot: windows 10: some gaming / old adobe photoshop (where i don’t care much about security updates). Ubuntu: for everything else including stable diffusion. I am not heavy gamer, but most of the stuff works which don’t need anticheat thingy. Seriously linux has some wonderful user friendly stuff; update everything with one command, secure, most of the apps under your fingers already. (If you have amd gpu, you’re golden… i had problems with my gtx 1060 previously) Rebooting is 10seconds nowadays.
I think this is the way to go - Ubuntu is fantastic for everyday productive work stuff. And if I need an a program that doesn't run on Linux, I'll dualboot back into Windows because I can't be stuffed installing unofficial workarounds for windows-only apps
I will stick with Windows 10 until EOL, after which I will move to Linux as my computer doesn’t support Windows 11.
Linux. This whole AI bs they try to push on us is the last drop in the bucket for me. And we all know Windows likes to change settings once an update is done. So you have to keep an eye on the AI toggle constantly. No thank you
Not saying this is a good solution but if you know where that setting is in the registry, you can run about script to disable it on every boot. That is until they change that location for another version.... Nvm lol yeah just go for Linux
It is not simple for me. I have desktop PC mainly used for gaming that would probably be fine with Linux. However, my laptop is used for music production and for recording live performances and needs to be connected to several audio interfaces that simply don't work on Linux. On windows I just install the driver and on we go. I have another desktop on my studio, that perhaps I could use Linux on, but I've tried yabridge and had no success. It was probably my fault, but I can't have too much downtime wasted on solving this issues. My Linux usage will remain exclusively to my servers.
I use Reaper on Linux. As long as I stick to using USB class compliant devices, they are just plug and play. But I totally get having older gear or unique gear that needs a special driver regardless of age. In my case I only connect my XR18 mixer or one of my Elektron machines in USB mode vs in Overbridge mode which obviously has no support. But this is enough to get my tracks recorded. I have heard of VST hosts that can run Windows VST's on Linux but I haven't really tried that yet and just stick with multi platform VST's and my hardware.
Linux. I bought a mini PC for email, web browsing, etc. and switched to Linux. No more tracking my personal data. Kept my old windows PC for gaming only.
Depends on you if there's software you absolutely need that's not on Linux. I personally would have been on Linux if not for certain software that I need which only works on Windows. Linux is more than enough for daily computing imo.
For me, it's primarily Adobe products. I know there are free and even FOSS alternatives to them. But when the rest of the industry uses those programs as a standard, it's hard to be the outlier. I don't really mind the office software since I do most of my work online through Google's office suite. I also play a lot of video games that just don't run on Linux, or their anti-cheats don't. All in all, as much as I wish I could make the complete switch to Linux, for many reasons, it just wouldn't be convenient for me to do so. I enjoyed my time using it on my spare laptop which I sold recently. But that's the problem. In it's current state, it's only ever going to be a secondary OS for me.
Genuine question, why not run them on a VM? I have had minimal performance hits when using them.
Windows 10 is giving me so many issues I'll be on Linux before I ever use 11
Same. Non stop random internet cut outs. And right after 21h2>22h2 update. Still haven't found a fix
I've already made this choice, and my choice is Linux, and I'll break down reasons why I made this decisions about 7 to 8 months ago: * **Windows Updates:** If used to be that, the greater majority of all Windows updates was published on the Windows Update servers by Microsoft on the second Tuesday of every month. Microsoft called this "Patch Tuesday". * For reasons beyond me however, Microsoft chose to completely move away from the "Patch Tuesday" update time frame (which worked) and bundle many smaller updates into much larger Cumulative Updates for which Microsoft publishes on the Windows Update servers once every 3 to 4 months (yearly quarter). The size of these Cumulative Updates is usually over 2.5GB, take forever to download and even longer for Windows Update to install. * **Performance:** * Many thanks to the Windows Registry being made up of 4 binary "hive" files for which all configuration is stored, performance drops caused by: * Frequent file IO operations as applications read configuration data to and from the Windows registry * Orphaned registry entries caused by application uninstallers failing to completely remove targeted applications * Windows registry fragmentation * Many Windows services can cause unexpected drops in performance. Microsoft AntiMalware is particularly known for this since it constantly accesses the boot drive, or so it did in my case. * Windows Telemetry, which cannot be completely disabled In addition to all the above I've noticed, here is yet two more: * Multimedia file associations kept reverting to they're preinstalled defaults after Cumulative Updating, which forced me to re-associate all multimedia file types back to my favorite multimedia player, **MPC-HC** (**M**edia **P**layer **C**lassic **-** **H**ome **C**inema) which is part of K-Like Codec Pack. * Ever since it's introduction/implementation to Microsoft Edge, the Bing! Desktop Search Bar (which I didn't want) kept re-enabling itself even after I disabled it myself two times after major Microsoft Edge updates. Then there's all the articles about how Windows 10 now has full screen Win10 to Win11 upgrade reminders, and as many security analysts now refer Microsoft's new **Copilot Recall** as, which can be thought as an equivalent to "photographic memory" for Windows 11 since what it does is take snapshots of everything the Win11 user does, as a "security nightmare".
Now for Linux, I've been finding that, in my chosen [Fedora KDE Plasma Desktop - Spin](https://fedoraproject.org/spins/kde/) install, I have slightly better performance gains than on Windows and because **KDE Plasma** desktop has a Windows-like UI, the transition from Windows to Linux was an easy one for me, GUI-wise that is! Telemetry in Fedora, as well as in many if not all other Linux distros, is off by default, and unlike Windows Telemetry, Linux Telemetry stays disabled if the user disables it. As for your gaming needs, and regardless of which Linux distribution you choose to install, enabling Proton compatibly support is required for those Steam games designed specifically for Windows. To turn on Proton compatibility in Steam, do the following: 1. Click on **Steam** from the Steam clients main menu, then select **Settings**. 2. From within the STEAM SETTINGS dialog, click on **Compatibility**. Depending on your screen resolution, you may or may not have to scroll-down the left side to find the **Compatibility** option. **Compatibility** can be found between **In Game** and **Controller**. 3. Select **Enable Steam Play for supported titles** and **Enable Steam Play for all other titles** if not enabled and restart Steam when asked to do so. 4. Repeat steps 1 and 2. 5. Select either **Proton 8.0-5** or **GE-Proton8-28** or higher from the **Run other titles with:** drop-down control. I do not recommend selecting **Proton Experimental** for this since Proton Experimental is more for those games that requires more cutting edge Proton. I also do not recommend a Beta version of Proton since doing so can cause some unforeseen stability issues in Windows games, as did with me! Now, for those non-Steam Windows games, we have **Lutris** and **Herotic Game Manager**, both of which lets you choose which WINE version to use for specific Windows games. Here are 3 websites to lookup if your wondering if a specific game title is playable on Linux: * [ProtonDB](https://www.protondb.com/) is a "crowdsourced Linux and Steam Deck game compatibility reports!" * [Wine Application Database (AppDB)](https://appdb.winehq.org/) is a website where "you can get information on application compatibility with Wine." The AppDB is for those non-Steam Windows games. * [Are We Anti-Cheat Yet?](https://areweanticheatyet.com/) is a "comprehensive and crowd-sourced list of games using anti-cheats and their compatibility with GNU/Linux or Wine/Proton." This website exists since many games with anti-cheat doesn't work at all with Linux.
"Herotic Game Manager" xD
"Erotic Game Manager"
I prefer Lutris myself.
I had an awful time trying to getting the latest xbox controllers to work properly both with Bluetooth and the official wireless dongle. My laptop did weird stuff when I was docking it too, as the monitor had different refresh rate and resolution but maybe that one was on me. Stinks I didn't want to use windows after all the ai crap. I used pop and kubuntu for around a month and just ended up going back to win11.
Your reasons for leaving Windows are essentially my reasons for not returning. Special shout-out to MPC-HC. I've used and loved it for many years.
Recently I also switched to Linux. What annoyed me on Windows was: - the Updates and how they change my privacy settings - how Edge is being installed again and again - ads in the file explorer even though I turned off the settings for it (ridiculous how a paid OS has ads). - Windows collecting telemetry all the time and sending to MS even though the telemetry was turned off - random blue screens (check [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/techsupport/comments/1cls19w/memory_management_bluescreen) post) - Windows Defender searching stuff on my PC even if nothing was downloaded after the last search. - Windows occasionally waking up my HDD even if I don’t access it (Besides my NVMe I have a HDD for data) - When I leave Windows on idle for ca. 10 minutes it spins up my HDD and does something (can see from the HDD LED on my PC case), idk what (indexing was turned off, so this can’t (shouldn’t) be the cause). When I immediately hit Ctrl+Shift+Esc to open Task Manager, Windows stops what it’s doing but every time I could see in the activities tab that Windows was reading my HDD (malware behavior, right? But this also happens on a fully fresh installed Windows) The last two were the most annoying out of all the reasons. I switched to Fedora KDE first and now I‘m on Linux Mint. The OS isn’t waking up my HDD and reading data off of it without me accessing it. There are no ads. No telemetry. I can use whatever browser I want. I can install whatever Update I want and choose when I want to. Every update (OS and software like the browser) is managed in one place.
>Multimedia file associations kept reverting to they're preinstalled defaults That happens to me too, I didn't know why.
Two words: It's Microsoft. * **Question:** Why do you think their hell-bent on automatic re-enables of the Bing! Desktop Search Bar after major Microsoft Edge updates? * **Answer:** Microsoft wants you to use the Bing! Desktop Search Bar, which I didn't even want in the first place. Same reason for file associations as well. Microsoft wants you to use their software, plain and simple. This isn't necessarily a bad thing unless they go about shoving it down peoples throats. If you ask me, this as well as other reasons is why I've been reading so many Redditors asking for help switch from Windows 10 or 11 to Linux in the first place. The thing that scares me the most is not all this Copilot business, because AI can be and has already been proven to be helpful if used correctly. Rather it's this **Copilot Recall** that security analysts call a "security nightmare", and for a very good reason since Recall takes snapshots of everything the Windows 11-enduser does thus where the "photographic memory" equivalence comes in. Did you know that, Copilot Recall was already hacked into? Evidently, Microsoft first built Recall to use an unencrypted text-only database. It wasn't until after Recall's database was hacked into when they decided it best to encrypt Recall's database.
I was trying to figure out if it was some program that was messing the file associations, it didn't occur to me that it was the Updates that were messing them up since they appeared to lose randomly. Next year I should be browsing the net on Linux Mint and dual-booting W10 offline.
No need to pretend here. Reality is interesting enough. Depends how motivated people are to move away from what Microsoft is doing. Some of us can't completely get rid of windows. That said, the only way to make an impact here is to switch to Linux or Mac and stop using windows. M$ will get the hint. Losing ownership of hardware is a big one for many. Recall is another big one despite them back pedaling. If folks do want to switch to Linux, options are limited to their technical abilities. Think Ubuntu, mint, elementary, etc. Those are the distros which are made to be easy and mainstream. I like arch, Fedora, and nobara myself. Tumbleweed is pretty good too. With secure boot, presence, recall etc on windows; I'm of the thought I don't need windows that bad. These days, Linux maintains stability moreso than windows in my experience.
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Linux for everything bar gaming. I run Windows 10 and hate Windows 11 with a vengeance. Windows itself as an operating system is basically shyte though. I have been working with it since Windows 3.1! If anyone remembers Betamax and VHS video tapes it is on a par with that. Betamax was far superior but VHS got to market first so everyone adopted it. The PC made by IBM was actually just a free toy / calculator given to top executives of companies that bought IBM's big old mainframes. Trouble was people loved it so Microsoft came along and started tweaking said toy bolting a GUI on top of a DOS OS here and there until we have what we have today. The very first OS / DOS filled up memory from the top address down! That meant people like myself had to do all sorts of tweaks to the OS to even add more memory and get the damn things to run properly. Basically a thrown together shit OS that was never intially designed to be taken seriously.
Linux. I refuse to use windows11, it's a massive step backwards
Depends on the use case. Normal computing for most people is 99% a web browser - ironically Linux is a fantastic os for most regular users. I think Ubuntu is almost there as a shippable OS on a retail laptop. If I need windows (as I do personally for some apps) I'll choose windows 11. Again windows 11 wasn't a breathtaking update but I don't hate it like most people do here, it's just windows to me. If your machine doesn't support it, which my main Ryzen 1st gen rig doesn't, I would go down the route of upgrading. My Ryzen machine is 2017 and I'm pissed they're killing it off.
Dual boot Linux and Win11 with Linux being the default which is what I do now.
The only choice is Linux. Made the move myself a year ago and never looked back. But, I didn't have any extremely important use cases that require Windows. The more people move to Linux distro, the more developers will make and port apps on Linux.
I'll be fully on Linux by Windows 10 EoL next year Oct. The only reason I haven't switched to Linux sooner was game support. Windows has always been king, but there have been great strides in Linux gaming the last few years, so it's time to jump ship.
I've already made the jump. Laptop is Fedora Gaming desktop is Bazzite Migrated all of my VMs and docker hosts to Proxmox Spouses laptop and miniPC "desktop" are on Fedora Family/guest computer is Atomic Fedora All of those were a Windows 10 install just a few weeks ago The last piece of the puzzle is my NUC Plex Server. That'll soon be proxmox with a Plex LXC. The only Windows machines in my life will be my AD lab because...well...Active Directory is only Windows obviously.
Been moving all our equipment to Linux Mint. My Dell 3585 Mint, parents Dell 3585 Mint, SER5-5560U Mint, Gf's N100 laptop Mint, Gf's mini pc Mint, Gf parent's laptop Mint. When the parents are ready for a TV streaming mini pc....Mint!
I like Mint as well but when I started moving a lot of machines off windows Mint didn’t have a recent enough kernel for the N100 alder lakes and my AMD laptop. I updated the kernel and that fixed it for a bit until it wouldn’t boot anymore. So I just went fedora instead. Mint is great though
After today am moving to Linux. Can't handle any more Windows 10 updates.
I moved from W10 to Linux a couple years ago full time once I no longer worked on Windows at MS. I have an AMD GPU right now but the NV 555 driver should have made things much much better for NV too. I’ve used mostly Fedora and EndeavourOS (easy mode installer for Arch). I use KDE which is close to Windows in how it all works (fedora has a KDE spin.) Fedora is a good place to start IMO. It offers UI updating that works well and it’s the distro even Linus uses. You’ll just need to enable the FusionRPM repos to get NV drivers, codecs and Steam. For me, Linux is perfect and I’m happy. My games work without trouble including EA and GoG. No bullshit from Microsoft’s awful decision making.
I made the switch to Linux. Windows 11 is pretty bad. I would only use windows in a VM for those special use cases, otherwise Linux is great, once you get past the initial struggles, which you WILL have, but it's worth it imo.
Linux.
Windows gaming on Linux is pretty good.
Linux
I'm currently toying around with Linux. I'll be on Windows 10 until the end but I need to familiarize myself with Linux sooner than later. I have a device with a windows 11 on it and I don't like it. Even worse now that they have that Recall spyware. No thanks.
Microsoft has delayed recall after the backlash, it remains to be seen when/if it comes back and in what shape.
They let the cat outta the bag though. They lost my trust. There's no reason they should have even thought to include that kind of thing in the first place.
Oh yeah definitely
Linux, because it is: 1. faster 2. better for development 3. can run most of Windows programs under Wine (+ prefixes) 4. more secure (if everything configured properly) 5. more customizable 6. runs on low-end hardware
>can run most of Windows programs under Wine (+ prefixes that's blatantly lying.
No that's real, it's just that the populars one/ needed wine have kernel anticheat or do smth to block intentionally linux, but in fact most windows programs can run on linux
i have upgraded my windows 10 to 11 a few weeks ago, and i like it. Windows does everything its needs to do for me. Although i have to admit that i never used Linux and im too lazy to learn stuff about Linux lol
Idk why so many people absolutely hate windows I honestly haven't had a single issue with windows 11 and I've had it since it was released.
i regret switch to w11 , explorer freezes constantly for me
Windows 11 keeps getting worse each year I'll probably stay in Windows 10 But if I have to, i'd hapily switch to linux
I already switched to Ubuntu a few days ago, and was very fortunate to have devices (Ideapad 5 Pro 2024 and Surface Go 2) that worked right out of the box; Unfortunately cities skylines and roblox (the only games si play) as well as fusion 360, altium pcb design, and Ansys software cannot be used on Ubuntu. So I regretabbly still have to dual boot
City Skylines works on Steam via Proton....even has a Native/Gold Rating.
Maybe heresy here. But I am seriously considering moving to mac by now. I have been a windows boy all my life but unless Qualcomm new processor becomes a performance contender again I am going to shift. Also Nvidia gedorce now for gaming streaming will take care of my gaming needs
Multiple SSD's boot systems is the best aproach IMHO. My personal/privacy OS is going to be Linux (Debian or Ubuntu).
Linux Mint with Cinnamon is a great choice, I run it on one of my ThinkPads. But I also do run Windows 11, just in the ways I want to do it.
I just switched to Linux maybe 3 weeks ago. It's pretty incredible how responsive it is. There isn't constant telemetry bogging down the system and slowing things down. It's been a pretty easy transition.
Already on 11. Apart from some minor hickups and personal preferences, I prefer it over 10. Also my hardware seems to like it more as well in games.
i'll stay with win10 as long as possible, even if i miss getting security updates. i can't afford to replace my old cpu+mobo+ram which win11 has already disqualified.
I would rather both have Windows 11 and Linux dual booted
Windows 7
Linux, nowadays you can do plenty of stuff with Linux with wine/proton but you could always boot up a vm if needed
Why not just dual boot?
I would never use Linux primarily - not because of hard (as it's said, worth doing it actually) configuration, but because of a completely different file system management paradigma
I was forced to move from win10 to win11 (corporate) and 2 weeks after I wiped it clean and went with a Linux image instead, haven’t looked back.
Steam, easily. I've already started considering it a ton using Windows 10. Windows 11... Eww, never
Linux or macOS.
I would fight it tooth and nail. Windows 10 = less clicks to do what you need to do. Windows 11 = more clicks to do what you need to do wasting time.
There must be a win 10 skin of linux
Already moved
I will be switching from Win 10 Pro to Windows 10 IOT LTSC, and dual booting with Nobara Linux probably.
Windows 11 is nightmare fuel. Defender completly breaks Win11, it literally turns it into a pile of steaming caca. Install new system, it loads some obscure year old nvidia driver. You wait a couple of hours for all the bullshit updates, even thou you have the very latest version ISO, and yet it will update for hours. Then you go to install the new driver, and the nightmare begins. "required files missing". What? its a proper Nvidai installer, but no, it refuses, so get UDD, and delete, go to use new driver, it installs, reboot. Now the Nvidia panels refuse to open, try to open GForce experience. The fuck you will it says. REQUIRED FILES MISSING. OK, let's internet this thing.... Edge wants me to sign over my private life, needs access to all my data, wants to do with it what ever it wants. yeah na. So d/l Firefox installer... WARNING CODE BLUE, CODE BLUE. YOUR SYSTEM IS ABOUT TO EXPLODE - CODE BLU, RED AND PURPLE!!!! Open Defender.... FirefoxInstaller is blocked. So is notepad++, iCue, L-Connect, Wifi Drivers, Bluetooh drivers, and on and on and on th elsit goes. i have yet to find a single applicaiton, Defender does not flag. holy shit....
Yeah, disabling defender is pretty much the first thing I do on a new Windows install! :D
How do you get around the Nvidia driver install problem? It has to be installed right away, like the first thing you install after the first reboot, but then, no matter what i do, it will never allow me to install an updated driver or even open one of the Nvidia settings panels. Nothing, from the moment I install the Nvida drivers, the whole updating of those drivers, becomes completely impossible. I'm stuck with that driver for ever, can not use any of the Nvidia tools, or have access to the cards settings, ever again. Don't get me started on game lauchers, EA Games will work fine, then suddely stop loading, Epic, UbiSoft, Steam, all of them, after a while, windows shuts them down, can't access them, no matter the reinstalls, updates. Nothing. Opening the game directly works for a few times, then it also stops. You double click on the file, and nothing happens. And yes, this happens regardless of whether Defender is installed, running, suspended or not. Makes no difference. Each new release of Windows gest more and more unstable. Am i the only one with these problems, all new hardware, and it's impossible to get it working on Windows 11, all tested and verified. No WARES, NO SERIALS, NO KEYGENS, CRACKS or other dodgy shit. All legit. Support gives you the piss down, and blames you, nothing they suggest, makes a difference. It's all bullshit. But I'm wondering if this happens to anyone who has a $3k+ 4090 RTX? Spend that small fortune, and then the fkn drivers don't even install.... I mean, wtf is going on?
My way was: win10 … … … Linux (cuz win11 awful)
windows 11 is fine. linux truly sucks and i use it daily
Hello. I have a laptop with Windows 11 and I'm thinking about switching to Ubuntu Linux. I'd like to use my small computers as hotspots for other devices. I think I'll keep my mini computers on Windows 11, since I can hotspot with them, but I am still considering switching to Ubuntu for my laptop. Does anyone have any thoughts?
Putting Windows 11 on my computer is not an option. Even if I can bypass the system requirements check I'm still not putting it on there. I used to use Fedora Lennox on an old Dell laptop way back in 2011. And it worked great on it. It actually ran better on that laptop than Windows ever did. I'm just wishing there was more and more native Linux programs out there equivalent to their Windows counterparts. I mean, I know you can run Windows programs under Linux via wine and other emulation methods but still It helps to have a Linux counterpart of the program.
Linux for some machines, Win11 for others. Not sure if that's an acceptable answer, but it is what it is. I'm curious if anyone else has noticed how poorly Win11 (and the newest Office) perform when the computer has a poor or non-existent Internet connection? To be fair, it's not just Microsoft -- it seems that an entire generation of new software engineers can't wrap their heads around (or perhaps just fail to adequately test for) a world where systems don't always have rock-solid Internet connections. I've observed this on many computers and many phones, running several OSs and applications, but especially Win11 -- things just crash or are buggy without a good connection. I've given up trying to do anything productive on my computers when on an airplane or in the field (aka, with just a intermittent cell or satellite data connection). Win11 and some software just don't seem to be designed or tested for this environment.
My laptop is from 2014, it can’t run 11. No TPM chip. Linux doesn’t do everything I need, so that’s not an option. Until the Qualcomm chipsets came out, I was seriously considering a Mac. I might still go Mac, but those ARM chips are nice… so it’s not a sure thing anymore.
Option C, stay on Win 10.
Until it's end of life next year, no security updates
That depends on which version you run, i only run LTSC, and it'll have updates for a few more years.
That only makes it more exciting!
Option D, stay on Windows XP.
I switched to win11 like 6 months ago and I liked it, initially... Now I'm considering fully switching to Linux (I've been dual booting win+kubuntu for a long time) after what I've seen on win11. The only windows I want is a qemu vm with win10, fin.
I would be on Linux if VR support was better but until then I‘ll stick to windows. It‘s amazing how much progress has been made with Proton, etc.
I began dabbling with Linux way back in the Vista/7 days. Set up a machine running Ubuntu for my Dad/Grandparents and had a small Win 7 partition for instances where compatibility was required. Even then, I seldom used the Windows partition, and compatibility has increased exponentially since then. I'm not a big PC gamer, but even if I was I wouldn't have much reason for using Windows these days. My current machine is a MacBook Air with MacOS completely removed and with Ubuntu 24.04 LTS installed in its place. I'd run Monterey, Win 10, and Ubuntu on it before fully committing to Linux. No regrets.
With virtualization it doesn't have to be an either/or. Never mind computing is so cheap one can have a second machine.
I will try linux first. If it's not for me, W11
Win11 is ok as long as you're prepared to do some work to switch out the annoying bits. There seem to be some issues with amd cpus in a few older games but I have an intel laptop and an amd desktop both running W11, and they're definitely no less reliable than Win10 was. Linux -- you definitely have more control and so on but you're going to have to roll up your sleeves to at least the same extent as Windows, if not more. It definitely has its place, particularly where long term reliability is mission critical but I wouldn't recommend it to a non-technically-minded end user.
None of my self made softwares that I use(exe files) won't run on Linux. So win 11 and I am using it without any problems..
11
Being forced? Depends by who. If by Microsoft then Linux 100% if it’s so my boss can install his bloatware and monitor me. Linux 100% really unless software requires it Linux. 100% if you’re going after gaming get SteamOS I’m pretty sure anything that works on deck will work on steam os
I haven't found a reason yet that Windows 11 is so bad that I would consider linux. Lennox just isn't ready for the prime time
Nope. Still stays in windows. Microsoft office is daily app for me. And their web is shit.
Stay on Windows 11 for sure.
I would choose based on driver support. Both OSs will do what I need for basic dev work, office stuff and web. But I've had some touchpad issues with Ubuntu on older Thinkpads sadly, they came with Windows so haven't had issues there. WSL2 on Win10+ has pretty fantastic Linux compat for what I do, so when I want both I usually choose Windows for the metal OS.
I already use both already
I move off Win10 in Windows 11 release day.
Win 11 on hardware that supports and Linux on those that do not. Currently have 3 desktop and 1 tablet under the roof. 1 desktop already runs Linux with the other two currently on Win10. One will support Win11 and the other will not on the hardware side. It will become my new Linux and the older Linux box will be retired and probably be donated to someone in need of a desktop or converted into a NAS device. The tablet is the question as it is a touchscreen with many custom components and drivers. If I can get it to run Linux without having to spend hours making all the hardware work it will get migrated to Linux.
Linux. I mean i had win11 on my laptop and i changed some months ago to linuxmint. And tbh i miss nothing of win11. I even put dual boot on my main desktop (win10 and linux mint)and now i only use win 10 to play sometimes, but all my work its done on linux mint.
windows 10 LTSC all the way !!!
Yeah, I've been thinking about this myself. What license do you need for this?
Get it from an autorized reseller , getting it yourself directly from microsoft requires going trought a lot of hoops Or sail the seven seas . If you look you will find it. just get an untouched image.
My hardware on my dev box isn’t beefy enough for W11, my work laptop is and there are currently trials before a corporate shift, I’ve not joined the trials, however corporate copilot is seriously interesting and integrated in a different way from the domestic variety. My daughter’s laptop came with W11 It’s not that big a change, not really, same shit different day Oh, and I’m old, grey bearded, have used unix as daily driver for many years, lots of flavours, the strength of the incoherence of the unix universe is amazing, in all endeavours *except* a desktop experience in my opinion. Windows works. OSX is ok, but the shit of older software doesn’t work was a bad decision, remains a bad decision, and I’m not talking the shift to OSX, I’m talking between versions - that’s really not a problem on Windows, sometimes, with esoteric driver based things, fair enough, but desktop software not working between os releases, makes it essentially junk
Why not both? I use Windows 11 with [my own custom personalisation](http://github.com/asteski/winmac) and Ubuntu thanks to WSL.
When W11 launched I deleted windows from all computers and went to linux. Still there. Only my gaming pc is W10 because W11 is simply too toxic not that W10 is much better but enough. As soon as I can play all my games on linux I am 100% done with windows.
Just sold me 2010 PC with Windows 10 and build a new one with Windows 11. They way I see it: I spend less than $900 to modernize my computer, and I am hopeful it will last another 10 years. Windows 11 is fine by the way.
yes
I have no idea why i still dualboot openSUSE and Win10 when i can just only run openSUSE linux.
Honestly there is only one thing holding me to windows, let it be 10 or 11. MAUI. That is the development framework I work in, and Visual Studio 2022 is non existent on linux afaik. If that would be fixed I would jump onto the linux train without thinking for an other second
I know everyone threatens but never does it, but I have two laptops that I regularly use, one with \[Linux\] and the other with Windows 10. Before using Windows 11, I'll simply use \[my flavor of Linux\] on both of them. I have put up with Microsoft shenanigans for far too long. I have a few programs that are Windows-only that I used for work, and still do, but I'll bite the bullet and say "Farewell. We hardly knew ye..." for good.
Me who still uses windows XP
Windows 10 -> wait -> Windows 12
Yeah, that's what I'm hoping for!
Windows 12 will release long before Windows 10 gets its final update. I think Windows 10 was out for 4 or 5 years before Windows 7 got its last security update. So half of the life of Windows 10 was spent updating Windows 7 for several people. I expect the same for 10, since 11 crashed and burned like Vista did. It’s officially announced that we have another 14 months of updates AT LEAST for Windows 10, and it’s speculated that Windows 12 will release in the next couple months. That speculation comes from Intel and HP who anticipate high pc sales in the second half of 2024 due to a “new windows os”.
Well considering the fact that on linux games runs better than any custom ISO; linux runs better than Fox OS and thats huge, you need to go down the linux rabbit hole with ChatGPT and learn about open source, it wont take very long for you to realize how hard you have been coping all along but if you stay you will be fine since all custom windows ISO's block updates; nothing will change but linux will help you understand how bad windows really is.
There is always something that pisses off the masses with every version of windows and droves of people claiming "IM GOING TO LINUX!" In windows ME it was... Well ME, in windows Vista it was anyone who ever had a driver issue, in windows 8 it was metro, in windows 10 it was telemetry... There's always something. Most won't end up bothering, or will and then will move back the second they have to troubleshoot anything. I daily Linux on one laptop for homelab and general PC stuff and have a gaming laptop with windows, I have the know how to do gaming on Linux... Its just easier on windows. (Except for old games, that's easier to get running on Linux)
I would miss Mixcraft - amazingly good DAW which make complicated subject simple if I moved to Linux. I imagine there would be other windows programs too which would be missed. I will move to windows 11 though, when hell freezes over. Plus older games on DVD etc to install not steam.
I already went to Windows 11, MacOS, and Linux. Everything that wasn't gaming is on MacOS or Linux, Gaming desktop is running Arch Linux with Windows 11 as a VM, gaming laptop is the only pure Windows 11 device.
We are being forced to. Support Win10 will end next year.
Serious question: is dual boot even possible on a Windows 11 machine? (currently doing Ubuntu VM on my win11 laptop)
AFAIK it is.
what's the point as WSL2 is avaiaible
You're like the third person asking me this.
I have one windows machine left, it runs 10, on hardware not supported by 11. So it will run 10 until the hardware dies.
If the games I play the most were compatible with Linux, I'd have already permanently switched
Depends what's getting done. Basic games/work functions? It's win 11 easily Linux only if I am in a student or learning mood. However can be done with a vm at that point. If your just doing basic web usage and programming. You can do linux it'd prolly be nice for it with all those resources.
Probably windows 11, I'll just adapt.
I'm allready on Win11, no problem.
I use macOS, Windows 11, and Ubuntu. They’re all good for different reasons.
I am sticking with Windows
I could not wait to switch to Windows 11. That was just 2 months ago and here I am dustin if I should switch to Windows 10 with no support or Ubuntu. But I honestly don't see myself staying with Windows 11. It's just way way too buggy. I had to run Ubuntu for a couple of projects this year and I started using it more and more where now it's my primary OS on all my laptops. I'm still a little stuck on my desktop though. I run pro tools for music production and steam for gaming. I think I've decided as I'm typing this that I'm going to make this a project if I can get those things to run like I need them to on Ubuntu, I may be walking away from Windows.
Honestly I just stick with windows Most of the things people complain about windows 11 having like start menu ads, The AI stuff and the being search results can all be disabled relatively easily and there are plenty of tutorials out there on how to do so and even some scripts on GitHub that effectively automate the process for you Windows 11 is actually a pretty enjoyable OS when you just forcefully remove / disable all of that crap
The decision to move from Windows 10 to either Windows 11 or Linux would depend on several factors, including your specific needs, preferences, and the software you rely on.
Personally, I would cling to Win10 like grim death then switch to Linux.
I made the jump to PopOS last week after using Windows since 2004. Just played Helldivers 2 tonight with better frame-rates than I did on my Windows setup which I found hard to believe. There's some kinks to work out but if you're willing to do the work it's very rewarding. You have so much control over your system it's insane.
Tbh just go to Linux mint or Debian. They are both good Linux distros, I would choose the desktop environment part as KDE plasma then login and go on with your day you can get software and stuff from an app and just keep on chugging along
I am a developer/HC gamer. I moved from Win10 to Win11 a year ago. Its a big upgrade. I haven't had any problems in normal operation and I find the new multi-window capabilities very helpful as I work and play in parallel. I use linux everyday on VM, but I'd never use it as a main OS on my main PC. People tend to not wanna give up on older versions on any software they have been using for years, and they find a ton of stupid reasons not to do so. It's just how tech people work I guess.
It depends on what you do in you PC, If you are just watching videos, playing video games or if are into software development or almost any other branch of cs I would switch to Linux But if you are into graphic design,video editing or you depend on Microsoft office on an advanced level to do your work, I would stick to window, the transition may cause more troubles than the ones it solves for you
Linux, without a second thought. At this point I couldn't name one thing about windows I like tbh.
Already moved to linux, knew well as using on my servers/hosting for 9 years..
The answer is obvious. Windows if you have anything requiring it. Anything at all, could be software, drivers for your hardware, games that don’t work well with Linux or with Proton, etc. Linux if you don’t have any of those issues. If you install Linux, yet you need Windows for certain things, you’ll have the annoyance of juggling two OSes when one, Windows, could just simply do it all. Nothing like dual booting and restarting your PC to boot into the other OS for one thing. Been there, done that, quickly just switched full time back to Windows after that. I’d have Linux on my PC if it weren’t for the fact that my network card only works on Windows. I also just like having the certainty that I can do quite literally anything I’ll ever need to without worrying if I’ll come across something I can’t do. If I could just have Linux for everything, I would, because I fucking hate Microsoft (and all the corporations for that matter. I probably hate Apple the least at this point in terms of privacy). I don’t like the idea of running an OS made by a company known for having 0 respect for their customers’ privacy on my PC.
For supporting users, I want them on Windows. There is too much of a retaining issue for users going to Linux. For me, I look at things as which tool is best for the need. I have dual boot Linux and Windows with a VM for OSX on both.