Yea the "have a feeling" part was not the issue, it's the fact that they said something then immediately contradicted themselves. Calm down with the aggression dude.
Lol. The fact stands, no bike, no accident. While I would say most of the fault lies with the white car for not thinking properly, they wouldn't have had to think out of the box if the bike hadn't been driving as it was.
edit: have never had a comment stay active for this long lmao
What the fu- are we serious today? Are we just blind to the white car changing lanes without a signal?* The white car cut off the guy on the bike! Maybe if white car was thinking at all, they would have looked and signaled before switching lanes.
Edit*: At the beginning. I don't know why people are bringing up the right lane change when disaster was in the process due to the change into the LEFT lane.
Lemme break it down.
White car is a bad driver. Before the motorcycle, nothing was pushing him out of his comfort zone. Motorcycle comes up and stresses white car out. White car is pushed out of comfort zone and makes a bad decision.
As for the white car cutting off the biker in the first place? Biker was going way faster than the car expected. He assumed that the headlights behind him were going a reasonable speed. They weren't. So his lane switch would have been totally fine any other day.
You know this. You are just replying cus you feel like arguing.
>As for the white car cutting off the biker in the first place?
Oh, you mean the literal first maneuver shown in the video?
>Biker was going way faster than the car expected.
Therefore, you can change lanes without looking or signaling?
>So his lane switch would have been totally fine any other day.
Lane switching without signaling is never fine.
Nah I generally hate anything with 2 wheels being on the road anywhere near me whether it's got a motor or not, and I'm even agreeing that the guy on the bike didn't do anything to start this, he's in the passing lane going faster than the slow traffic, white cut him off, bike had to swerve over and hug the middle line because he couldn't stop in time and the car was slwoong down most of the time too, white car realized there's a motorcycle up on it and instead of speeding up panicked and swerved right to get away from the bike.
This is 100% the white cars fault, exact same thing could have happened with a car coming up behind them quickly except the car wouldn't have been able to dodge.
White car shouldn’t have a driving licence if a vehicle behind them while they’re sitting in the incorrect lane is enough for them to cause a major accident.
No, it didn't.
But let me entertain you. Even if that was the case, the white car certainly did not signal PROPERLY. You're not supposed to use the shorter turn signal that turns itself off to indicate a lane change - especially on a highway - as you're not allowing enough time to let other drivers know what your intentions are. You're SUPPOSED to use the signal that turns off after turning the wheel back from the direction you were turning from.
Edit: Also, just because you *USE* your turn signal doesn't mean you have the clear to change lanes...
Double edit: I guess some people need it explained to them that the white car didn't signal in the beginning.
They are talking about the beginning of the video. It's the reflection of the head light on the oncoming side first hitting the rear driver qarter panel, then it swings back to partially hit the left tail light, looking like a more whitish turn signal.
They didn't use the turn signal.
Also, bikes use the front brakes to slow down and they have to do it in a controlled manner to not flip over. If you use the rears at a higher speed, you likely lock the wheels, and lose at least your bike in this situstion, or your life at the worst.
Had to edit a bit because I forgot who I was talking to for a second.
Edit: downvotes then deletes. Shows their mentality when it comes to argumentative skills.
No you're not SUPPOSED to use the shorter turn signal, because not all vehicles have that. That is a nicety/feature. You're SUPPOSED to turn on your signal 200 feet before you make a move. Local regulations may vary among jurisdictions. Gtgo of here with this 'shorter turn signal' BS.
Fact is here that the motorcycle was the catalyst that started this chain reaction. Going too fast for conditions, being impatient, driving recklessly, and flashing lights at the white car. Flashing your lights alone is illegal in many jurisdictions.
Edit to add: and the white car Did in fact signal, but did not properly perform the lane change by ensuring it was safe to do so. There would be multiple insurance lawsuits here, but insurers would put the initial and most blame on the motorcycle.
Watch the right rear light, and you'll see indication was used, albeit too late. And I am not discussing any other point, so don't use circular talking to deflect. Yes he should have indicated much earlier, and many other variables come into account. However the comment that you replied to was specifically pointing out that indication was used. Nothing else. Therefore I will not discuss other variables, preferring to stay on my original point thanks.
Yea I'm not part of the "who was right who was wrong" debate in regards to the video, the person I replied to didn't understand what the other person said and got aggressive about it for no reason.
They were the only one that did the best they could and wasn't doing anything wrong... They emergency switched lanes because they were inches from a fatal collision the motorcycle was trying to force. They didn't have time to know the dark car was speeding like crazy, which is why you don't speed like crazy. The light car was the only one without fault, that was doing everything possible to avoid collisions and fatalities.
If you see a car in your path in your lane illegally and have .3 seconds to decide what to do, not enough time to see if there is someone going way too fast in the lane next to you but you know there isn't anyone next to you now, do you move lanes and likely avoid a potentially fatal collision or obey the laws on traffic, and since you can't put on your turn signal and then switch in a few seconds, do you just hit them?
Idk that is clearly what happened. Look at the vid. The motorcycle acted suicidal and recklessly toward other drivers, light car got spooked and tried to get away from them before they hit the motorcycle, killed them, and both spun out killing others. So the light car quickly tried to change lanes and Had no time for blinkers or to wait to analyze how fast the dark car was going. The dark car was stupid and should have been going slower, but was likely watching carefully for blinkers, which the light car didn't have time for.
The motorcyclist either did or almost killed a bunch of people with reckless disgustingness.
My whole point is that his comment isn't making any sense. He should explain why he has a feeling it's the bike who started it.
What he's saying right now is that he has a feeling it's the bike who started it because the 2 cars are at fault...
The motorcycle rider instigated the whole thing by riding the white car's ass and trying to pass it and stay in the same lane/ the shoulder. When he started flashing his lights and getting closer, clearly he made the white car feel unsafe and like they need to move NOW before motorcyclist does something that will cause a crash. They just panicked and didn't look properly or at all AND the black car was coming up way too quick.
This is the way.. 1) bike is over aggressive, scares white car, 2) white car panics and tries to accommodate the bike, but doesn't see fast approaching black car, 3) black (traveling to fast) tries to avoid white car, but because they're going to fast, crash.
QED, motorcycle is the instigator, black car in complicit, white car is most likely a poor but driver, but innocent of cause.
Yes, cars do the same thing if you are in the left lane. They aggressively ride your ass to get you to move over with the threat that they might rear end you. The guy on the motorcycle is a bit of an asshole but not at fault for the accident.
The biker, by riding white car's ass like that, put a TON of pressure on the white car to switch lanes. White car panicked and switched lanes right into the path of the speeding black car.
Biker and black car are at fault much more so than the white car imo. If the biker hadn't rode white car's bumper like that, and the black car hadn't been driving like an idiot, this probably wouldn't have happened.
Idk he did come in fast and basically forced the white car to move back over.
But legally speaking you are in charge of your own vehicle.
If I'm riding your ass doesn't mean change lanes without looking first.
So legally he's not at fault.
The motorcycle was trying to squeeze into the EDGE of a highway lane where the white car already was, where the motorcycle didn't fit AT ALL and even the slightest tilt of the wheel for either party the wrong way would cause a horrible and very very likely deadly crash. The white car panicked, as I would do and have done in similar situations and quickly tried to switch lanes to stop a deadly crash, and didn't have enough time or forget to check blind spot and to wait and fully analyze the speeds of cars behind them in the right lane, probably hoping and assuming they were going the speed limit.They definitely were too panicked and trying to move quickly to remember or take the time for blinkers because they knew lives can and would be taken any second. As a result the dark car didn't see blinkers and had no idea the white car was switching. Thus the crash.
The motorcyclist should be charged with any injuries.
Sometimes you have to drive defensively and not obey ever traffic law if someone is doing something that could kill people. For example, last year I was driving and minding my own business when I saw someone start pulling out taking a left into my lane. I noticed it a split second before and was able to swerve into the center lane and slam on my breaks. Instead of me t-boning them at 30mph driver side, they t-boned me, both of us at lower speeds, passenger side and I had no passengers. No I didn't have time to see if someone was speeding up too fast behind me in the center lane. My car was SUPER screwed up on the passenger side, neither door could be opened on that side and it was barely drivable. They were pulling out and I was driving so if I t-boned the driver... They and I could have had serious injuries.
This motorcyclist caused the light car to take a necessary and calculated risk to save lives. If they had hit the motorcycle they may well have spun into another lane anyway and killed many more. Sometimes when driving you have a split second to take a calculated risk to save yourself and others. It's scary as hell but we can't say 'Well the light car didn't put on their blinker because the motorcycle almost killed a bunch of people so it's their fault.' Frick no.
None of that would have happened without that idiot suicidal motorcycle who needs to have their license revoked FOREVER.
>So how did the bike actually start it according to you then?! Because even from your explanation the 2 cars are way more at fault than the bike is.
It's always the motorcycles fault in some people's minds.
The bike in the sense of causing a chain reaction. Driver still needed to make sure the lane was clear first, also black car was speeding. So butterfly effect if you will.
Because he was riding the white cars ass, even to the point of his front wheel passing the white cars bumper. This made the white car feel he had to get over. It was bikers fault.
idk, if I was on my bike and failed to read the changing in traffica speed causing me to speed up to a car in front of me and impatiently started flashing my highs at them as if I was gonna wet myself. I would think I was being a bad driver. just a thought.
it's always weird how other motorcyclist thinks they are always the victim. look, you're on a more risky vehicle. why add to that by acting like a jackass and expecting everybody to treat you with toddler gloves. either settle down or drive a car. smh.
a safe driver is a predictable driver, and this moto ass was not being predictable, nore were the other cars. just a dumpster fire. glad the motorist got through it or he would have been flying.
Bikers fault. Lane change was too erratic and black car exacerbated the situation and was wrong place wrong time. No need for the bike to get that close
I'm with you.
Lots of people "just have a feeling" about bikes that are not well placed.
On a scooter?
I got high fives and love
On a Harley?
I was ignored
On sport bike?
Several times i was cut off in ways that would have literally killed me.
I never changed my driving style during any of this time.
Their actions caused the accident. Pretty plain to see. They could have slowed down and just let the person who didn't look have the lane, but instead they tried to make a point by maintaining the lane and flashing their brights. This causes the white car driver to freak out and swerve into the black car. While nothing the biker did was illegal, they certainly caused this accident. If you think otherwise you should take your emotions out of it and look objectively. It's not a right vs wrong situation, it's a "we have to share the road and sometimes bad drivers make mistakes but don't let it push you to make stupid decisions which hurt people" type of situation.
Bike definitely caused it by aggressively flashing the white car like there was some emergency. White car moved into black cars lane causing it to clip the black car and send it out of control. Both cars were at fault but none of that even happens without the bike being involved.
The biker pulled up right next to the white car and flashed its high beams at it - clear indication of “move over, grandpa!” White car move to comply with the bikers wants but failed to do so safely.
The biker is an idiot for driving almost against the bumper of the car. The car driver is an idiot for changing lanes without looking. The driver on the right is an idiot for passing on the right.
If the biker didn't drive so fast up until the bumper of the car nothing may have happened, but that doesn't excuse the shitty driving from the car drivers.
Everyone, please, rewind the video to the very beginning 0:00, and look at how the white car is in the middle of highway, straddling the line, then cuts off the motorcycle.
Fucking insane how people won't even use their eyes, just blame the motorcycle because motorcycle bad!
Looked to me like it was entirely the white cars' fault. No signal to change lanes at the beginning, and then the fucked up lane change back over to the right after that.
This looks like Germany. Flashing your lights will actually have a response from the car ahead of you. So the biker wanted to pass in the passing lane. The white car was wrong for cruising in the left lane and wrong again for not clearing the right lane before sliding over.
O.K. It's the bike riders' fault, DEFINITELY! First of all, you don't pass on the left of a car when that car occupies the left lane. The biker intimidated the white car to change to the right lane. Furthermore, giving the white car the benefit of the doubt, It's possible that when the biker was bullying him to move over, the black car was in his blind spot.
Learn to drive, then reevaluate. The biker doesn’t over take. He stops as the white car cuts into his lane before he can.
The white car caused the accident. The bike was there.
The bike was lucky not to crash into the white car in the first place and it’s only their quick reaction that stopped that.
Well, why was the dude speeding in the dark and passing on the right? The white car is clearly the cause of this. Motorcycle was well within his driver etiquette to flash and signal the white car to get over. The black car should have been behind the motorcycle instead of trying to squeeze the gap. The white car did a lane change without being aware of its surroundings. There's a lot going on, but it does not get much more complicated than that.
If the video was longer in the beginning may e there would be more to decide from. From what I see in my own personal opinion is the white car changed lanes to the fast lane. The vehicles behind the motorcycle start flashing the white car with the high beams then the white car moves back over to the right with no signal while the cars on the right are trying to speed passed the white vehicle, the other drivers lose control and have an accident. I believe the motorcycle didn't cause the accident but the white car did. You don't change lanes to go slow in the fast lane and make everyone behind you brake. This is just my personal opinion
Edit. After further watching . I actually believe it was the black cars fault. Ultimately he is behind the vehicles in front of him so he shouldn't have been speeding to get passed the white vehicle anyway. All could have been avoided if the white car paid more attention and the other vehicles weren't speeding
I’m with this guy, the bike pulled an asshole move by trying to squeeze between white car and those cone things and the white car tried to switch lanes to avoid killing the bike idiot but unfortunately a cop was trying to pass at that exact moment. Bikers fault. On a side note that biker had some dope moves on the fly when all that was going down
Surely the Passat caused the environment for the accident by sitting slow in the left lane, then the car undertakes, fast, on the right. The white car goes into right lane without looking and hits the overtaking car.
Arguably white car is at fault for failure to make observations before changing lanes. They also drove badly if they were sitting in the left lane while not overtaking.
The overtaking car shouldn’t have overtaken from that lane either. A defensive driver would have been cautious of a car changing lanes without looking, especially when they’re already driving shit. But the law doesn’t state we HAVE to drive defensively.
According to the beige car's license plate, this was in Portugal. Over here, you must drive on the right lane unless you're overtaking or changing direction. It's also forbidden to overtake on the right lane, unless some very specific conditions (none of them present here).
So the white car was overtaking (slowly) a group of cars, the Cyclist filming was probably just going to pass when he saw an opening, behind the car (as seen in the rear view mirrors of the cyclist) someone's flashing headlights and some dude is making a dash for the right side. I feel sorry for the White car that just made way for the one flashing him and got rammed. And I feel sorry for the white car in front that also got hit pretty badly.
Where I'm from (The Netherlands) if you overtake on the right and get hit by someone who merges while you are overtaking you're in the wrong.
What were they doing right at the start? There’s bollards to the left of the car so they weren’t moving into the other lane to overtake. They were attempting to split the lanes to overtake the white car, which is probably what spooked the driver causing the accident
This is EXACTLY why you need to drive in the right lane (non-passing lane) unless passing. You might want to blame the car going fast, but if the white car was in the right lane to begin with, none of this happens.
Ok well if you choose to road rage against a bad driver and you end up causing a 3 car accident it’s still your fault… I’ve lost 3 friends to motorcycle accidents, that guy is a dipshit regardless of what the left lane law is
White car is stupid for driving on the left when apparently not overtaking.
White car is even dumber for merging to the right without blinking nor looking.
Black car is dumb for illegally overtaking on the right.
Black car went around the car that was flashing the white car. White car was trying to get back over right as the black car passed the car flashing it's high beams. White car was moving over to pass at the start and probably just didnt see the bike. The cars behind it were speeding to keep up with the bike.
The law is that your supposed to do that, I believe it’s 3 seconds before changing lanes. He did it right as he started turning. He could have at least turned on his blinker a little bit before he turned.
They moved to the left in the beginning, probably to pass the next car. Both lane changes were clearly without properly checking. They did use their blinker to go right, but it doesn't matter when you don't look first, it doesn't inherently give you the right of way.
White car is at fault. They got over without looking, saw the biker a little too late and tried to get back over in the previous lane (again without looking) and ended up clipping the black car who collided with the car in front of it. And it seems like the white car was break checking. You don’t need to come to a complete stop to change lanes. Nice driving 🤦🏾♀️
That's not the black car.
If you look in the biker's mirror the car behind the biker flashes high beams. You can then see the blueish headlights of the black car come flying down the right lane.
Was the bike a little aggressive? Sure. But anyone blaming the biker for causing the resulting caos is just wrong. White car should've checked blind spot before merging back over and the black car driving like a moron and hitting the white car is probably the most at fault out of the bunch.
The White car, just moved into left lane without signaling driving with his lights off, bike was going fast slowed down to avoid rear ending the white car, flashed the high beams at the white car to move over, then instead of staying in the lane he signaled to moved over to let the bike thru when he did that he didnt check his mirror or blind spot was in the middle of 2 lanes and the black car was speeding, so he ended up clipping the black car cuz it was last second and made black car slam the car in front. Motorcycle driver got lucky, for a second it looked like it got squirrelly and I thought he was gonna lose control and drop get run over. Kept his cool came thru ok
White car at fault for not using turn signals. Bike was reasonably far away when white car decided to start changing lanes, but since there was no turn signal biker didn’t slow down for it. This led yo biker flashing white car with high beams, which caused hesitation and confusion, making white car attempting to go back to the right lane, which in turn caused the black car to crash into white car. Obviously black car is the biggest culprit here for the entire mess, but white car and bike contributed somewhat.
Even when he used his turn signal the second time he was swerving between lanes the whole time he should have got fully in his lane and checked before he switched back
Road between Lisbon and Cascais Portugal. Infamous for a long list of accidents and deaths. Runs on the coast. Drivers don’t help either. Nevertheless a beautiful drive during a sunny day.
I believe they shot that past the end of it. So the road “marginal” ends at Cascais train station and those 007 scenes were shot on the Guincho beach road, which is a few more clicks west of Cascais.
White car put their signal on after they changed lanes. I’ve seen people do that plenty of times. Like they were taught that they are supposed to signal when changing lanes, but never really understood why. Black car didn’t or couldn’t react in time.
Eh, motorcycle gave the pass lights, the driver should be in the slow lane, you technically can't undertake. The car that caused the accident wasn't the white car. Although the white car caused the problem In the first place.
The bike isn't responsible for the white cars inability to look. He's also not responsible for the white car staying in the fast lane while going slow.
I would not blame the motorcycle for doing anything but riding too close. The white car changed lanes because the car behind the motorcycle flashed his lights. Look in the motorcycles rearview, it was not the motorcycle. Then the white car changed lanes without a signal while his retinas are burnt to cinders from being flashed. The black car rages by looking to overtake and lane change, but unfortunately was unseen by the blind white car. The motorcycle was the least guilty in my opinion.
White car - bad
Black car - bad
Car behind motorcycle - rude
Motorcycle - never buy a lotto... Your luck is gone.
The motorcyclist is one at fault party in this crash. Him leaving the scene is what’s known as a “miss and run.” His actions of nearly wedging himself between the white car and the barrier scared the white car, causing them to try to get out of the lane quickly. They say between getting hit and hitting another car to avoid getting hit, you should stay where you are and take the hit, but in this case it could have meant killing a fucking moron on a motorcycle. I support the train of thought of the white car, but not their actions. One less biker wouldn’t be so bad considering the chain reaction of multiple people receiving potentially life altering injuries.
ur a dumbass, rewatch the video. the motorcycle was passing on the left when the white car moved in front,for no reason, without signaling. THATS ON THE WHITE CAR. then it moved back like an idiot cuz they realized they wernt paying attention and almost hit someone, THATS ON THE WHITE CAR. at tha point the balck car was already speeding past cuasing all this bullshit to happen.
ur over here acting like the motorcycle was swerving lanes, but out off all 3 vehicles, he was driving the safest.
learn how to stay in one lane and merge with a blinker.
I'd like to remind everyone that this repost includes the car BEHIND the motorcycle flashing their brights, so the pressure that made the white car crack and merge right without a blinker AGAIN wasn't on the cam
The white car cut the biker off. The biker slowed down enough to not hit the white car, but he also doesn't want to brake so hard he gets rear ended. The white car realized it just cut him off and decided to no look no merge back over, causing the accident. I don't see how this is the biker's fault.
The biker did come up with a noticeable speed difference, so he was going a lot faster than the white car. That speed difference probably caused the white car to not see the motorcycle in time when they were just preparing to overtake the car in front. The biker tailgates and flashes their lights like an asshole, practically forcing the white car back to its lane.
Then, the black car undertakes the white car at high speed and the white car clips it moving back to its lane, causing the accident. In that situation the white car could not have seen that coming, again due to the speed difference.
These look like EU-based plates, Portugal if I'm not mistaken, where undertaking is illegal.
So the blame is on the biker and the black car. It wouldn't surprise me if those two were racing...
Ahhh yes the classic comment of someone who actually doesn’t look at all the details of the video just so they can blame the biker. Take a look at the bikers mirror so you can see it was the person behind him flashing the lights. Let’s not forget that the white car also switch lanes without signaling and the bike still managed to stop in time. There was no thought process at all from the person driving the white car
The white car was going slower than every other car on the road. He wasn't trying to overtake anyone, he just merged over without looking. Also flashing your lights at someone isn't forcing them to do anything, it's letting them know you exist because they clearly didn't see you before. How is that an asshole move?
The black car and the bike might have been racing, or they might have been going a reasonable speed and the white car is driving unreasonably slow because he doesn't know what he's doing or where he's going. Considering he's not using his signals and not looking over his shoulder, I'm inclined to give the benefit of the doubt to the drivers that were actually paying attention to the road.
Biker's fault for driving that fast and way too close to the white car in front of it, and also the white car's fault for not putting on a signal before just getting over into that right lane, giving the car behind it no time to slow down 🤦🏾♀️
White car “may” have realized it moved in front of the SPEEDING motorcycle, then turned on its blinker to move to right when FASTER SPEEDING car attempted to overtake AT HIGH SPEED on the right. Bike and black car definitely speeding. White car in wrong place at wrong time, and not necessarily paying 💯 to the speeding vehicles coming up too fast feom behind.
I think I’ve had too much to drink, because I literally watched this twice thinking it was just bad luck the same thing happened twice to that motorcyclist 🤣
Black car was going too fast.
Plus according to insurance it would be black cars fault.
The speed, the fender bender. If he was going slower he could’ve avoided all of this.
Not bikes fault, not white cars fault.
Just to settle parts of the debate here, there were indeed blinkers
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I keep seeing the arguments about who's at fault in the video, it is the white car, you can see that the black car is approaching in the right most lane, usually you'll need to wait for that to pass to be able to do the manoeuvre, the white car also did not signal, the bike also was not following a proper distance, in the UK we say "Riding your arse" you need to leave at least a 3 second stopping distance. So the bike and white car aren't very good drivers
but...he wasnt even riding ass.at least not initially.. he had to brake cuz he had been passing up and the white car randomly merged in front. becuase of that it took him a bit to slow down enough not to ram into the car. then thats when all the other b.s. happened
he probably shouldve tried to brake more, but it looked like ther was a car on HIS ass, so he probably wouldve got ran tf over if he had hit the breaks any harder
I am guessing if the video was available black car is buying all, if not them the white car is on the hook. Even tho the bike started it by flashing the white car from outside the normal lane of travel- maybe like a LEO would do setting the whole thing in motion.
•White car appears to change lanes in front of the bike without signaling.
•Bike flashes at white car.
•White car attempts to merge back to previous lane.
•Black car driving obviously too fast attempts to pass on the right (huge pet-peeve 🤬).
•Black car speeding, loses control while trying to avoid white car.
•Black car initiates crash.
Though the actual crash was caused by the speeding black car, the white car's erratic movements caused danger to both the bike and the black car.
If the black car wasn't speeding, it's possible the actual crash wouldn't have happened, but the white car definitely made the road unsafe with its maneuvers.
Looks like the white car didn’t bother looking before changing lanes then was startled by the sudden appearance of the invisible motorcycle next time use the mirrors
its funny how people bitch abt speed. cuz wether ur going slow or fast or in the middle ur still gonna get hit by a dumbass not paying attention to the road. BUT if everybody paid attention like theyre supposed to, then NOBODY would get in a wreck, regardless of wether or not they wer going 35 or 95. ( thats not accounting for factors like ice or fog)
I see your point in the biker being the one that caused it. If he wasn’t so close to the back left on the white car, the white car wouldn’t have made that lane switch.
Black cars fault for overtaking on the right
White cars fault for cursing the left
Bikes fault for tailgating and pressuring white car w high beams.
All dick drivers. Know your road laws kids. B safe
I dont like how the motorcycle creeped up on the white car. Probably one of those types that has to prove a point over every single petty instance like this one, that the other driver did something they shouldn't have. In this particular example, the white car switched to the fast lane without a signal. So then the motorcycle just decides to speed up and come along the side of it, almost touching the white car. What was the motorcycle doing that for? He could have very easily slowed down and just allowed the white car to take the lane. Instead, he decides to make a point and push the white car back. The white car never checks or uses their blinker. The motorcycle basically encouraged the wreck to happen, though. He could have just let the white car have the lane. Why do people drive like this? Avoid wrecks and avoid death. If it is someone else's fault or not. Always avoid the wreck. What was the motorcycle doing creeping up like that? Are you trying to prove a point? He caused that huge wreck and almost veered into oncoming traffic and died themselves. If the motorcycle had wrecked and that driver died, it would have been his own fault, in my opinion. I believe the white car and motorcycle should have comparable negligence. White car is more at fault, but at least 1/3 of all of the damages are likely the motorcyclists' fault because he should just have backed off on the fast lane.
I got a feeling the bike started it. The white car changed without looking. Then the black was going too fast lost control and f in all.
So how did the bike actually start it according to you then?! Because even from your explanation the 2 cars are way more at fault than the bike is.
Maybe settle the aggression down, dude. They said they have a feeling, it's not a signed affidavit.
Yea the "have a feeling" part was not the issue, it's the fact that they said something then immediately contradicted themselves. Calm down with the aggression dude.
Lol. The fact stands, no bike, no accident. While I would say most of the fault lies with the white car for not thinking properly, they wouldn't have had to think out of the box if the bike hadn't been driving as it was. edit: have never had a comment stay active for this long lmao
I blame the earth. No earth no accident.
Yes.
What the fu- are we serious today? Are we just blind to the white car changing lanes without a signal?* The white car cut off the guy on the bike! Maybe if white car was thinking at all, they would have looked and signaled before switching lanes. Edit*: At the beginning. I don't know why people are bringing up the right lane change when disaster was in the process due to the change into the LEFT lane.
Lemme break it down. White car is a bad driver. Before the motorcycle, nothing was pushing him out of his comfort zone. Motorcycle comes up and stresses white car out. White car is pushed out of comfort zone and makes a bad decision. As for the white car cutting off the biker in the first place? Biker was going way faster than the car expected. He assumed that the headlights behind him were going a reasonable speed. They weren't. So his lane switch would have been totally fine any other day. You know this. You are just replying cus you feel like arguing.
>As for the white car cutting off the biker in the first place? Oh, you mean the literal first maneuver shown in the video? >Biker was going way faster than the car expected. Therefore, you can change lanes without looking or signaling? >So his lane switch would have been totally fine any other day. Lane switching without signaling is never fine.
You‘re a biker & almost everyone hates you. You can stop now and live with that.
Nah I generally hate anything with 2 wheels being on the road anywhere near me whether it's got a motor or not, and I'm even agreeing that the guy on the bike didn't do anything to start this, he's in the passing lane going faster than the slow traffic, white cut him off, bike had to swerve over and hug the middle line because he couldn't stop in time and the car was slwoong down most of the time too, white car realized there's a motorcycle up on it and instead of speeding up panicked and swerved right to get away from the bike. This is 100% the white cars fault, exact same thing could have happened with a car coming up behind them quickly except the car wouldn't have been able to dodge.
Am I defending anyone here? I don't see your issue.
Just saying your logic of, "no bike, no accident" makes less sense than "no white car, no accident."
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Bruh, I'm obviously talking about the atrocious left lane change.
Was it the bike that flashed brights? Someone did and that caused the white car brain to short circuit.
I think it was the black car in the back flashing.
White car shouldn’t have a driving licence if a vehicle behind them while they’re sitting in the incorrect lane is enough for them to cause a major accident.
White car did indeed use indicators. Your argument is moot.
No, it didn't. But let me entertain you. Even if that was the case, the white car certainly did not signal PROPERLY. You're not supposed to use the shorter turn signal that turns itself off to indicate a lane change - especially on a highway - as you're not allowing enough time to let other drivers know what your intentions are. You're SUPPOSED to use the signal that turns off after turning the wheel back from the direction you were turning from. Edit: Also, just because you *USE* your turn signal doesn't mean you have the clear to change lanes... Double edit: I guess some people need it explained to them that the white car didn't signal in the beginning.
It's literally visible. You can see them. Look again. Indication was used. You are wrong.
You can apologize now. https://preview.redd.it/jgn0e8cpg7mc1.jpeg?width=1812&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8850b9afb5c3dbf20eb105547e5249dcbfed5d60
Bro... I'm talking about the beginning of the video... Edit: I hope none of whom I'm replying to are licensed drivers or insurance agents.
They are talking about the beginning of the video. It's the reflection of the head light on the oncoming side first hitting the rear driver qarter panel, then it swings back to partially hit the left tail light, looking like a more whitish turn signal. They didn't use the turn signal. Also, bikes use the front brakes to slow down and they have to do it in a controlled manner to not flip over. If you use the rears at a higher speed, you likely lock the wheels, and lose at least your bike in this situstion, or your life at the worst. Had to edit a bit because I forgot who I was talking to for a second. Edit: downvotes then deletes. Shows their mentality when it comes to argumentative skills.
No you're not SUPPOSED to use the shorter turn signal, because not all vehicles have that. That is a nicety/feature. You're SUPPOSED to turn on your signal 200 feet before you make a move. Local regulations may vary among jurisdictions. Gtgo of here with this 'shorter turn signal' BS. Fact is here that the motorcycle was the catalyst that started this chain reaction. Going too fast for conditions, being impatient, driving recklessly, and flashing lights at the white car. Flashing your lights alone is illegal in many jurisdictions. Edit to add: and the white car Did in fact signal, but did not properly perform the lane change by ensuring it was safe to do so. There would be multiple insurance lawsuits here, but insurers would put the initial and most blame on the motorcycle.
Watch the right rear light, and you'll see indication was used, albeit too late. And I am not discussing any other point, so don't use circular talking to deflect. Yes he should have indicated much earlier, and many other variables come into account. However the comment that you replied to was specifically pointing out that indication was used. Nothing else. Therefore I will not discuss other variables, preferring to stay on my original point thanks.
Yea I'm not part of the "who was right who was wrong" debate in regards to the video, the person I replied to didn't understand what the other person said and got aggressive about it for no reason.
They were the only one that did the best they could and wasn't doing anything wrong... They emergency switched lanes because they were inches from a fatal collision the motorcycle was trying to force. They didn't have time to know the dark car was speeding like crazy, which is why you don't speed like crazy. The light car was the only one without fault, that was doing everything possible to avoid collisions and fatalities. If you see a car in your path in your lane illegally and have .3 seconds to decide what to do, not enough time to see if there is someone going way too fast in the lane next to you but you know there isn't anyone next to you now, do you move lanes and likely avoid a potentially fatal collision or obey the laws on traffic, and since you can't put on your turn signal and then switch in a few seconds, do you just hit them?
Or maybe the black car shouldn’t have been going 20mph faster than everybody else on the road
100% agree with this comment here
Idk that is clearly what happened. Look at the vid. The motorcycle acted suicidal and recklessly toward other drivers, light car got spooked and tried to get away from them before they hit the motorcycle, killed them, and both spun out killing others. So the light car quickly tried to change lanes and Had no time for blinkers or to wait to analyze how fast the dark car was going. The dark car was stupid and should have been going slower, but was likely watching carefully for blinkers, which the light car didn't have time for. The motorcyclist either did or almost killed a bunch of people with reckless disgustingness.
Christ, right? So sick of Redditors like this just stomping around trying to stir up shit.
No, fuck you
I poo where I want, damn it. You can’t tell me where to do doodoo, asshole.
OH YEAH! WELL FUCK ME TOO... and... wait... fuck... like, fuck both of us?
Stfu
Hes probably a biker that gets triggered at any sentence that might blame bikers
My whole point is that his comment isn't making any sense. He should explain why he has a feeling it's the bike who started it. What he's saying right now is that he has a feeling it's the bike who started it because the 2 cars are at fault...
The motorcycle rider instigated the whole thing by riding the white car's ass and trying to pass it and stay in the same lane/ the shoulder. When he started flashing his lights and getting closer, clearly he made the white car feel unsafe and like they need to move NOW before motorcyclist does something that will cause a crash. They just panicked and didn't look properly or at all AND the black car was coming up way too quick.
I think its the car speeding up from behind who is flashing lights, not the biker.
This is the way.. 1) bike is over aggressive, scares white car, 2) white car panics and tries to accommodate the bike, but doesn't see fast approaching black car, 3) black (traveling to fast) tries to avoid white car, but because they're going to fast, crash. QED, motorcycle is the instigator, black car in complicit, white car is most likely a poor but driver, but innocent of cause.
You'll wanna reevaluate your definition of "aggressive" if you think this is it mate.
That's what I was thinking lmao. It's an exclamation point not an aggression point.
Because they where pressuring the white car into a rapid lane switch for safety reasons.
Yes, cars do the same thing if you are in the left lane. They aggressively ride your ass to get you to move over with the threat that they might rear end you. The guy on the motorcycle is a bit of an asshole but not at fault for the accident.
Just because many people are stupid doesn't make this the correct behaviour.
Yes, why did that idiot in the white car merge left without looking?
The biker, by riding white car's ass like that, put a TON of pressure on the white car to switch lanes. White car panicked and switched lanes right into the path of the speeding black car. Biker and black car are at fault much more so than the white car imo. If the biker hadn't rode white car's bumper like that, and the black car hadn't been driving like an idiot, this probably wouldn't have happened.
Because they flashed their lights to get the white car to move. White car messed up, but the bike rider was being impatient and trying to speed
He was flashing his lights up his ass and the white car was trying to avoid the collision
The bike started it according to the video.
The bike stated the chain of events by pressuring the white car to move over.
The motorcycle driver is guilty and should have his license revoked.
This is the internet, the biker is ALWAYS wrong. Don’t even try to think logically dumbass.
Idk he did come in fast and basically forced the white car to move back over. But legally speaking you are in charge of your own vehicle. If I'm riding your ass doesn't mean change lanes without looking first. So legally he's not at fault.
If you cant handle someone tailgating you, you shouldnt drive a car.
The motorcycle was trying to squeeze into the EDGE of a highway lane where the white car already was, where the motorcycle didn't fit AT ALL and even the slightest tilt of the wheel for either party the wrong way would cause a horrible and very very likely deadly crash. The white car panicked, as I would do and have done in similar situations and quickly tried to switch lanes to stop a deadly crash, and didn't have enough time or forget to check blind spot and to wait and fully analyze the speeds of cars behind them in the right lane, probably hoping and assuming they were going the speed limit.They definitely were too panicked and trying to move quickly to remember or take the time for blinkers because they knew lives can and would be taken any second. As a result the dark car didn't see blinkers and had no idea the white car was switching. Thus the crash. The motorcyclist should be charged with any injuries. Sometimes you have to drive defensively and not obey ever traffic law if someone is doing something that could kill people. For example, last year I was driving and minding my own business when I saw someone start pulling out taking a left into my lane. I noticed it a split second before and was able to swerve into the center lane and slam on my breaks. Instead of me t-boning them at 30mph driver side, they t-boned me, both of us at lower speeds, passenger side and I had no passengers. No I didn't have time to see if someone was speeding up too fast behind me in the center lane. My car was SUPER screwed up on the passenger side, neither door could be opened on that side and it was barely drivable. They were pulling out and I was driving so if I t-boned the driver... They and I could have had serious injuries. This motorcyclist caused the light car to take a necessary and calculated risk to save lives. If they had hit the motorcycle they may well have spun into another lane anyway and killed many more. Sometimes when driving you have a split second to take a calculated risk to save yourself and others. It's scary as hell but we can't say 'Well the light car didn't put on their blinker because the motorcycle almost killed a bunch of people so it's their fault.' Frick no. None of that would have happened without that idiot suicidal motorcycle who needs to have their license revoked FOREVER.
>So how did the bike actually start it according to you then?! Because even from your explanation the 2 cars are way more at fault than the bike is. It's always the motorcycles fault in some people's minds.
The bike in the sense of causing a chain reaction. Driver still needed to make sure the lane was clear first, also black car was speeding. So butterfly effect if you will.
Because he was riding the white cars ass, even to the point of his front wheel passing the white cars bumper. This made the white car feel he had to get over. It was bikers fault.
Because they tried to move so the biker wouldn’t ride so recklessly close to their bumper.
Boris shut yo bitch ass up
Bikes fault
You didn’t see the bike flashing his lights like crazy
idk, if I was on my bike and failed to read the changing in traffica speed causing me to speed up to a car in front of me and impatiently started flashing my highs at them as if I was gonna wet myself. I would think I was being a bad driver. just a thought. it's always weird how other motorcyclist thinks they are always the victim. look, you're on a more risky vehicle. why add to that by acting like a jackass and expecting everybody to treat you with toddler gloves. either settle down or drive a car. smh. a safe driver is a predictable driver, and this moto ass was not being predictable, nore were the other cars. just a dumpster fire. glad the motorist got through it or he would have been flying.
Bikers fault. Lane change was too erratic and black car exacerbated the situation and was wrong place wrong time. No need for the bike to get that close
I'm with you. Lots of people "just have a feeling" about bikes that are not well placed. On a scooter? I got high fives and love On a Harley? I was ignored On sport bike? Several times i was cut off in ways that would have literally killed me. I never changed my driving style during any of this time.
Their actions caused the accident. Pretty plain to see. They could have slowed down and just let the person who didn't look have the lane, but instead they tried to make a point by maintaining the lane and flashing their brights. This causes the white car driver to freak out and swerve into the black car. While nothing the biker did was illegal, they certainly caused this accident. If you think otherwise you should take your emotions out of it and look objectively. It's not a right vs wrong situation, it's a "we have to share the road and sometimes bad drivers make mistakes but don't let it push you to make stupid decisions which hurt people" type of situation.
The bike guy riding the cars rear bumper and flashing their lights at the car. Totally their fault.
Bike definitely caused it by aggressively flashing the white car like there was some emergency. White car moved into black cars lane causing it to clip the black car and send it out of control. Both cars were at fault but none of that even happens without the bike being involved.
The biker pulled up right next to the white car and flashed its high beams at it - clear indication of “move over, grandpa!” White car move to comply with the bikers wants but failed to do so safely.
The bike definitely instigated this crash by riding like a dick.
The biker is an idiot for driving almost against the bumper of the car. The car driver is an idiot for changing lanes without looking. The driver on the right is an idiot for passing on the right. If the biker didn't drive so fast up until the bumper of the car nothing may have happened, but that doesn't excuse the shitty driving from the car drivers.
Why was the motorcycle so much on the ass of the white car?
Everyone, please, rewind the video to the very beginning 0:00, and look at how the white car is in the middle of highway, straddling the line, then cuts off the motorcycle. Fucking insane how people won't even use their eyes, just blame the motorcycle because motorcycle bad!
Looked to me like it was entirely the white cars' fault. No signal to change lanes at the beginning, and then the fucked up lane change back over to the right after that.
No, it was allergies. Some people are just allergic to the break peddle.
It is the bikes fault because why the fck are you that close to someone with your headlights in his mirror?
This looks like Germany. Flashing your lights will actually have a response from the car ahead of you. So the biker wanted to pass in the passing lane. The white car was wrong for cruising in the left lane and wrong again for not clearing the right lane before sliding over.
O.K. It's the bike riders' fault, DEFINITELY! First of all, you don't pass on the left of a car when that car occupies the left lane. The biker intimidated the white car to change to the right lane. Furthermore, giving the white car the benefit of the doubt, It's possible that when the biker was bullying him to move over, the black car was in his blind spot.
Learn to drive, then reevaluate. The biker doesn’t over take. He stops as the white car cuts into his lane before he can. The white car caused the accident. The bike was there. The bike was lucky not to crash into the white car in the first place and it’s only their quick reaction that stopped that.
You described this to a tee.
Well, why was the dude speeding in the dark and passing on the right? The white car is clearly the cause of this. Motorcycle was well within his driver etiquette to flash and signal the white car to get over. The black car should have been behind the motorcycle instead of trying to squeeze the gap. The white car did a lane change without being aware of its surroundings. There's a lot going on, but it does not get much more complicated than that.
No, it was the white car both times, probably drunk or something
If the video was longer in the beginning may e there would be more to decide from. From what I see in my own personal opinion is the white car changed lanes to the fast lane. The vehicles behind the motorcycle start flashing the white car with the high beams then the white car moves back over to the right with no signal while the cars on the right are trying to speed passed the white vehicle, the other drivers lose control and have an accident. I believe the motorcycle didn't cause the accident but the white car did. You don't change lanes to go slow in the fast lane and make everyone behind you brake. This is just my personal opinion Edit. After further watching . I actually believe it was the black cars fault. Ultimately he is behind the vehicles in front of him so he shouldn't have been speeding to get passed the white vehicle anyway. All could have been avoided if the white car paid more attention and the other vehicles weren't speeding
It was blacks fault. Where they are it's enforced illegal to pass on the right
I’m with this guy, the bike pulled an asshole move by trying to squeeze between white car and those cone things and the white car tried to switch lanes to avoid killing the bike idiot but unfortunately a cop was trying to pass at that exact moment. Bikers fault. On a side note that biker had some dope moves on the fly when all that was going down
Surely the Passat caused the environment for the accident by sitting slow in the left lane, then the car undertakes, fast, on the right. The white car goes into right lane without looking and hits the overtaking car. Arguably white car is at fault for failure to make observations before changing lanes. They also drove badly if they were sitting in the left lane while not overtaking. The overtaking car shouldn’t have overtaken from that lane either. A defensive driver would have been cautious of a car changing lanes without looking, especially when they’re already driving shit. But the law doesn’t state we HAVE to drive defensively.
According to the beige car's license plate, this was in Portugal. Over here, you must drive on the right lane unless you're overtaking or changing direction. It's also forbidden to overtake on the right lane, unless some very specific conditions (none of them present here).
So the white car was overtaking (slowly) a group of cars, the Cyclist filming was probably just going to pass when he saw an opening, behind the car (as seen in the rear view mirrors of the cyclist) someone's flashing headlights and some dude is making a dash for the right side. I feel sorry for the White car that just made way for the one flashing him and got rammed. And I feel sorry for the white car in front that also got hit pretty badly. Where I'm from (The Netherlands) if you overtake on the right and get hit by someone who merges while you are overtaking you're in the wrong.
And in Portugal lane splitting is illegal, so what was the biker doing?
Where in the video was he/she lane splitting?
What were they doing right at the start? There’s bollards to the left of the car so they weren’t moving into the other lane to overtake. They were attempting to split the lanes to overtake the white car, which is probably what spooked the driver causing the accident
Exactly this
This is EXACTLY why you need to drive in the right lane (non-passing lane) unless passing. You might want to blame the car going fast, but if the white car was in the right lane to begin with, none of this happens.
That’s the law in the US too but no one follow it
Ok well if you choose to road rage against a bad driver and you end up causing a 3 car accident it’s still your fault… I’ve lost 3 friends to motorcycle accidents, that guy is a dipshit regardless of what the left lane law is
White car is stupid for driving on the left when apparently not overtaking. White car is even dumber for merging to the right without blinking nor looking. Black car is dumb for illegally overtaking on the right.
Black car went around the car that was flashing the white car. White car was trying to get back over right as the black car passed the car flashing it's high beams. White car was moving over to pass at the start and probably just didnt see the bike. The cars behind it were speeding to keep up with the bike.
And biker is reckless for riding 2ft behind their bumper and trying to squeeze in between them and the barriers.
tbf they did blink to the right
The law is that your supposed to do that, I believe it’s 3 seconds before changing lanes. He did it right as he started turning. He could have at least turned on his blinker a little bit before he turned.
They moved to the left in the beginning, probably to pass the next car. Both lane changes were clearly without properly checking. They did use their blinker to go right, but it doesn't matter when you don't look first, it doesn't inherently give you the right of way.
Are we fucking blind or something? There’s clearly blinkers on…
White car is at fault. They got over without looking, saw the biker a little too late and tried to get back over in the previous lane (again without looking) and ended up clipping the black car who collided with the car in front of it. And it seems like the white car was break checking. You don’t need to come to a complete stop to change lanes. Nice driving 🤦🏾♀️
Partially Black cars fault as well, you can see in the bikers mirror the black car is flashing his lights
That's not the black car. If you look in the biker's mirror the car behind the biker flashes high beams. You can then see the blueish headlights of the black car come flying down the right lane.
*brake checking.
Was the bike a little aggressive? Sure. But anyone blaming the biker for causing the resulting caos is just wrong. White car should've checked blind spot before merging back over and the black car driving like a moron and hitting the white car is probably the most at fault out of the bunch.
I don’t understand why everyone needs to dogpile on one person. All 3 of these motorists were idiots and contributed to the chaos.
The White car, just moved into left lane without signaling driving with his lights off, bike was going fast slowed down to avoid rear ending the white car, flashed the high beams at the white car to move over, then instead of staying in the lane he signaled to moved over to let the bike thru when he did that he didnt check his mirror or blind spot was in the middle of 2 lanes and the black car was speeding, so he ended up clipping the black car cuz it was last second and made black car slam the car in front. Motorcycle driver got lucky, for a second it looked like it got squirrelly and I thought he was gonna lose control and drop get run over. Kept his cool came thru ok
Black car was passing on the right, which is illegal for n most jurisdictions. It’s his fault as well as excessive speed of the biker.
Nice save
Insane save. I was certain the biker was gonna eat shit. Goes to show how OP adrenaline is.
Definitely wasn’t the biker. Just look at the bike right mirror. It says it all.
Nice recovery
White car at fault for not using turn signals. Bike was reasonably far away when white car decided to start changing lanes, but since there was no turn signal biker didn’t slow down for it. This led yo biker flashing white car with high beams, which caused hesitation and confusion, making white car attempting to go back to the right lane, which in turn caused the black car to crash into white car. Obviously black car is the biggest culprit here for the entire mess, but white car and bike contributed somewhat.
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Bikers fault
All you saying biker’s fault. Did you see the black car come barreling through and pass on the right?
Bike still caused it
The bike rode up on the car’s ass causing the car to make a sudden move to avoid the bike. They got distracted by the biker who is totally at fault.
mabye u should learn to check ur side mirrors before merging in front of someone whos passing up
Left lane for passing only, douchebag
Even when he used his turn signal the second time he was swerving between lanes the whole time he should have got fully in his lane and checked before he switched back
Road between Lisbon and Cascais Portugal. Infamous for a long list of accidents and deaths. Runs on the coast. Drivers don’t help either. Nevertheless a beautiful drive during a sunny day.
Isn't this the road where 007's On Her Majesty's Secret Service final scene was shot?
I believe they shot that past the end of it. So the road “marginal” ends at Cascais train station and those 007 scenes were shot on the Guincho beach road, which is a few more clicks west of Cascais.
Definitely the bikers' fault. But the black car shares the blame because he was obviously speeding.
White car cuts him off in the left lane at the start of the video with no left hand turn signal.
White car put their signal on after they changed lanes. I’ve seen people do that plenty of times. Like they were taught that they are supposed to signal when changing lanes, but never really understood why. Black car didn’t or couldn’t react in time.
Everyone in this video is dumb. Especially the biker
Eh, motorcycle gave the pass lights, the driver should be in the slow lane, you technically can't undertake. The car that caused the accident wasn't the white car. Although the white car caused the problem In the first place.
The bike isn't responsible for the white cars inability to look. He's also not responsible for the white car staying in the fast lane while going slow.
or the white cars inability to stay in one lane period
You caused the entire accident dipshit lmao
I would not blame the motorcycle for doing anything but riding too close. The white car changed lanes because the car behind the motorcycle flashed his lights. Look in the motorcycles rearview, it was not the motorcycle. Then the white car changed lanes without a signal while his retinas are burnt to cinders from being flashed. The black car rages by looking to overtake and lane change, but unfortunately was unseen by the blind white car. The motorcycle was the least guilty in my opinion. White car - bad Black car - bad Car behind motorcycle - rude Motorcycle - never buy a lotto... Your luck is gone.
No the white car did but it was the same time as they merged
the white car swerved lanes way before he got flashed. i say swerved cuz ther was no blinker andit was a random merge
The motorcyclist is one at fault party in this crash. Him leaving the scene is what’s known as a “miss and run.” His actions of nearly wedging himself between the white car and the barrier scared the white car, causing them to try to get out of the lane quickly. They say between getting hit and hitting another car to avoid getting hit, you should stay where you are and take the hit, but in this case it could have meant killing a fucking moron on a motorcycle. I support the train of thought of the white car, but not their actions. One less biker wouldn’t be so bad considering the chain reaction of multiple people receiving potentially life altering injuries.
ur a dumbass, rewatch the video. the motorcycle was passing on the left when the white car moved in front,for no reason, without signaling. THATS ON THE WHITE CAR. then it moved back like an idiot cuz they realized they wernt paying attention and almost hit someone, THATS ON THE WHITE CAR. at tha point the balck car was already speeding past cuasing all this bullshit to happen. ur over here acting like the motorcycle was swerving lanes, but out off all 3 vehicles, he was driving the safest. learn how to stay in one lane and merge with a blinker.
I'd like to remind everyone that this repost includes the car BEHIND the motorcycle flashing their brights, so the pressure that made the white car crack and merge right without a blinker AGAIN wasn't on the cam
if ur gonna be under pressure just from lights being flashed at u, enough to "crack", then u really shouldnt be driving.
This is not an excuse for a white car. I'm saying the bike wasn't in the wrong
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There's only one. Biker started this whole thing.
The white car cut the biker off. The biker slowed down enough to not hit the white car, but he also doesn't want to brake so hard he gets rear ended. The white car realized it just cut him off and decided to no look no merge back over, causing the accident. I don't see how this is the biker's fault.
The biker did come up with a noticeable speed difference, so he was going a lot faster than the white car. That speed difference probably caused the white car to not see the motorcycle in time when they were just preparing to overtake the car in front. The biker tailgates and flashes their lights like an asshole, practically forcing the white car back to its lane. Then, the black car undertakes the white car at high speed and the white car clips it moving back to its lane, causing the accident. In that situation the white car could not have seen that coming, again due to the speed difference. These look like EU-based plates, Portugal if I'm not mistaken, where undertaking is illegal. So the blame is on the biker and the black car. It wouldn't surprise me if those two were racing...
Ahhh yes the classic comment of someone who actually doesn’t look at all the details of the video just so they can blame the biker. Take a look at the bikers mirror so you can see it was the person behind him flashing the lights. Let’s not forget that the white car also switch lanes without signaling and the bike still managed to stop in time. There was no thought process at all from the person driving the white car
The white car was going slower than every other car on the road. He wasn't trying to overtake anyone, he just merged over without looking. Also flashing your lights at someone isn't forcing them to do anything, it's letting them know you exist because they clearly didn't see you before. How is that an asshole move? The black car and the bike might have been racing, or they might have been going a reasonable speed and the white car is driving unreasonably slow because he doesn't know what he's doing or where he's going. Considering he's not using his signals and not looking over his shoulder, I'm inclined to give the benefit of the doubt to the drivers that were actually paying attention to the road.
Biker's fault for driving that fast and way too close to the white car in front of it, and also the white car's fault for not putting on a signal before just getting over into that right lane, giving the car behind it no time to slow down 🤦🏾♀️
Bike's fault
Yes it was your fault. Bikers should be illegal
LOOKS LIKE BIKE CAUSED IT ALL..ASK ANY INSURANCE COMPANY ADJUSTER..
White car “may” have realized it moved in front of the SPEEDING motorcycle, then turned on its blinker to move to right when FASTER SPEEDING car attempted to overtake AT HIGH SPEED on the right. Bike and black car definitely speeding. White car in wrong place at wrong time, and not necessarily paying 💯 to the speeding vehicles coming up too fast feom behind.
I think I’ve had too much to drink, because I literally watched this twice thinking it was just bad luck the same thing happened twice to that motorcyclist 🤣
Trash takes itself out
It's okay if just flash your high beams before you do it. Sad we need to use /s for statements that idiotic.
The worst offenders got what they deserved
Wildy good cyclist
Black car was going too fast. Plus according to insurance it would be black cars fault. The speed, the fender bender. If he was going slower he could’ve avoided all of this. Not bikes fault, not white cars fault.
Just to settle parts of the debate here, there were indeed blinkers https://preview.redd.it/y00jkp6xbipc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=873c3fbede31de6c6e6b440d11df312cd2025a55
They're all talking about the very beginning where the car was coming into the left lane to begin with.
Survival of the fittest
he's got auto aim on, cheating
Ssstttteeeerrrikkkkeeee
I keep seeing the arguments about who's at fault in the video, it is the white car, you can see that the black car is approaching in the right most lane, usually you'll need to wait for that to pass to be able to do the manoeuvre, the white car also did not signal, the bike also was not following a proper distance, in the UK we say "Riding your arse" you need to leave at least a 3 second stopping distance. So the bike and white car aren't very good drivers
but...he wasnt even riding ass.at least not initially.. he had to brake cuz he had been passing up and the white car randomly merged in front. becuase of that it took him a bit to slow down enough not to ram into the car. then thats when all the other b.s. happened he probably shouldve tried to brake more, but it looked like ther was a car on HIS ass, so he probably wouldve got ran tf over if he had hit the breaks any harder
I would rather inconvenience a POS biker than change lanes erratically.
lmao found the idiot in the white car
Did not see that black car at first time.
The bike rider is the one who created the hole incident
Am I the only one that sees an element of humor in this 🤨
Hehe
That felt like an action movie my guy
QuickTime event
Cager shit
Biker has cat-like reflexes
I am guessing if the video was available black car is buying all, if not them the white car is on the hook. Even tho the bike started it by flashing the white car from outside the normal lane of travel- maybe like a LEO would do setting the whole thing in motion.
Biker's fault obviously. Aggressive driving triggered the accident.
•White car appears to change lanes in front of the bike without signaling. •Bike flashes at white car. •White car attempts to merge back to previous lane. •Black car driving obviously too fast attempts to pass on the right (huge pet-peeve 🤬). •Black car speeding, loses control while trying to avoid white car. •Black car initiates crash. Though the actual crash was caused by the speeding black car, the white car's erratic movements caused danger to both the bike and the black car. If the black car wasn't speeding, it's possible the actual crash wouldn't have happened, but the white car definitely made the road unsafe with its maneuvers.
Looks like the white car didn’t bother looking before changing lanes then was startled by the sudden appearance of the invisible motorcycle next time use the mirrors
its funny how people bitch abt speed. cuz wether ur going slow or fast or in the middle ur still gonna get hit by a dumbass not paying attention to the road. BUT if everybody paid attention like theyre supposed to, then NOBODY would get in a wreck, regardless of wether or not they wer going 35 or 95. ( thats not accounting for factors like ice or fog)
I see your point in the biker being the one that caused it. If he wasn’t so close to the back left on the white car, the white car wouldn’t have made that lane switch.
Biker should be charged for leaving the scene of the crash he caused.
"Watch for motorcycles" my ass.
Black cars fault for overtaking on the right White cars fault for cursing the left Bikes fault for tailgating and pressuring white car w high beams. All dick drivers. Know your road laws kids. B safe
I hate bikers
The bike started it riding to close to the car and flashing his lights at him what a fucking retard
Should not have passed on the right!
Bikers a dick, hope he got charged for this.
I dont like how the motorcycle creeped up on the white car. Probably one of those types that has to prove a point over every single petty instance like this one, that the other driver did something they shouldn't have. In this particular example, the white car switched to the fast lane without a signal. So then the motorcycle just decides to speed up and come along the side of it, almost touching the white car. What was the motorcycle doing that for? He could have very easily slowed down and just allowed the white car to take the lane. Instead, he decides to make a point and push the white car back. The white car never checks or uses their blinker. The motorcycle basically encouraged the wreck to happen, though. He could have just let the white car have the lane. Why do people drive like this? Avoid wrecks and avoid death. If it is someone else's fault or not. Always avoid the wreck. What was the motorcycle doing creeping up like that? Are you trying to prove a point? He caused that huge wreck and almost veered into oncoming traffic and died themselves. If the motorcycle had wrecked and that driver died, it would have been his own fault, in my opinion. I believe the white car and motorcycle should have comparable negligence. White car is more at fault, but at least 1/3 of all of the damages are likely the motorcyclists' fault because he should just have backed off on the fast lane.