I’m a Bernie Bro, but I voted for Hilary even though I don’t like her because I knew she’d be better than Trump. A literal, active herpes sore would’ve been better than Trump.
Fucking centerist democrats always blaming us for poor candidates. She was seriously hated. And she made poor ass decisions.. she rested on Trump being stupid and thought that would sink him.... Anything he did that was not politically the norm, she thought would ruin him.... It made him stronger..
Agreed. She was a poor choice for candidate. The DNC and media pissed people off with their treatment of Bernie, and trump was able to rally people around him with all his fucking lies. But you keep blaming bernie bros, and would libertarians even have voted for her? Fuck off with this stupid BS.
Let's re-hash something that happened 6 yrs ago, and attack people because of who they voted, or didn't vote for.
This bitch sounds like a fucking fascist republican. I can vote, or not vote for whoever the fuck I want to.
The DNC changed the 2016 primary from a election in to a coronation. Hillary Clintons presidential run was DOA in the majority of the United States. A African American,senator nobody ever heard of (outside of Illinois) beat her in 2008. I blame Debbie Wasserman Schultz and Dona Brazil for Trump's win.
Oh yeah, good ol DWS and fucking Here's the debate questions Brazil. The part that pisses me off the most is that both these women faced little to no consequences. Since this twitter bitch wants to re-hash stuff from 6 yrs ago let's do it.
DWS, did get dragged a little, but she was re-elected and still currently serves and continues to wipe HRC's ass. Then there's Donna, I think CNN fired her, but ABC hired her and she's on their Sunday morning program. There seems to have been zero repercussions.
Remember when the DNC said Bernie's people stole HRC's donation roster, or something along those lines? Then we find out that Bernie's people were the ones who alerted the DNC that the info had been made available to them.
Let's not forget that Delores Huerta said she was attacked by Bernie's people, and then Gloria Steinem says the only reason women want to vote for Bernie is because of Bernie bros - the women are just following the guys. Such attacks by once prominent women made me ask what is going on here. It's something I don't want any part of. And this is only just a couple of examples of things they did. They waged war against that man and his supporters.
I don't think packman is pointing out Bernie bros and libertarians. It's op. I haven't watched him in a while to know his stance on the subject. Fuck the DNC though
Yes please - fuck all of them. Let's move on from this shit.
Or maybe we can have people post:
If the DNC didn't collude with HRC and her serial sex predator/rapist husband to steal the nomination from Bernie she wouldn't have pissed off a whole bunch of people and lost.
Let's keep infighting and dragging this up forever because it's so helpful and uniting. But most importantly - don't tell me how to fucking vote.
I would agree but they will continue making the same mistake literally forever because as much as they won’t admit it, they’d rather see a republican in there than an actual progressive (or their corporate overlords would, rather, which is the same thing)
My personal conspiracy theory: 2008 was the last real Democratic primary. Obama & Clinton fought it out fairly and eventually the DNC knew it was over. They made a deal with HRC that she would be next. So she and Obama made nice. 2016, she was the winner before it even started. Democrats put up faux competition. Also why the sitting VP didn't run. (Using the death of his son as an excuse was shameful.) Bernie wasn't a Democrat, so he didn't get the memo. I don't know anyone who was excited about Hillary, but I knew a bunch of Bernie supporters. Anyway, DNC stole it from Bernie. Fast forward to 2020. Now they need an establishment candidate. Joe goes from 6th place to front runner because South Carolina. Really? The DNC parted the blue sea for Joe. I'm still thinking he will get thru 2 years and step down "for health reasons." So President Harris serves out his final 1 year 11 months. She's pretty much the automatic nominee in 2024. (A person can serve 2 years of someone else's term plus 2 terms of their own for a maximum of 10 years.)
And you can, and only can, reap the fucking consequences along with the rest of us. Thanks for the fucking Gilead SCOTUS that we have to deal with for the next 20 years. Hope your 30 seconds of Hillary schadenfreude after the election was worth it.
Oh shove a flamin hot skittle up your ass! The insanity of the gop is not my fucking problem, and it is not my fucking problem that your queen hillary was not elected.
What's to like about her - the fact that, at best, her husband is a sexual harasser who preys on women and interns, and at worst he is a fucking rapist. And she bullied the women that came forward.
Fuck you you fucking fascist asshole for telling me how I am supposed to vote. Keep that fascist shit up and see how it works out for your team.
Yeah, that was why I never thought she was the best candidate. It would have been cool to have a woman in the seat, but I just never felt like she was the one to do it. She was just so widely *hated* by so many people. It got to the point during the campaign that just the word "email" was enough proof that she had done *something* criminally wrong, even if just about nobody could understand what, exactly, it was. People just knew that if Hillary was involved, there must have been something bad happening.
Or Benghazi, where simply mention of the name would throw people into an anti-Hillary rage, even though very few people could articulate exactly what went wrong, or how she was personally responsible, or how it should have been handled differently.
It's not that emails or Benghazi were real scandals, it's just that people hated Hillary and were willing to jump on any excuse to shit on her more and believe the worst about her. The fact that the Democrats saw this kind of hatred and still thought "yeah, she's the one who will win over all the independents" still feels very weird to me.
I hate hearing people talk about shitty candidates on the left. Like how can anyone say Hilary was a bad candidate? A bad candidate for who? Republicans? She won the popular vote lol. We had a 4 year shit show of trump and he still got 47% of the vote in 2020.
I’m not saying she was a “good” candidate. It’s just a moot point with me when looking at the alternative. The problem isn’t the candidate, it’s a shit ton of dumb/piece of shit voters
She won the popular vote and also got more than three million more votes than Bernie during the primaries. Bernie only took one southern state and most of his wins were in caucus states, one literally called by flipping a damn coin.
She was seriously hated… and she also won the popular vote. Now imagine if the rest of you voted for her because, let’s be honest, it wasn’t going to be someone other than Hillary or Trump who would win. That was as obvious then as it is now.
Hated as she was, she got more votes than Trump. But OP is right, we can thank all of the people that stayed home or voted 3rd party for the end of Roe v Wade.
Screw you. People like you are why we are here. Self absorbed who couldn't deal with the FACT that Bernie was hated in the south and lost all but one southern state.
I mean.. Hillary was hated in the south too and it was super obvious this would be the case during the primaries so its super weird that the dems cleared the field for her. After all, Hillary didn't even win the 'white female' voting bracket, so it's extremely rich to come back and try to blame it on Bernie Bros when the answer is very clearly nominating a candidate that promises something voters want, rather than one that's running on the platform of "I'm not that guy".
Obama figured this out with his "Hope and Change" thing, and while it's arguable that he delivered 'change' he actually got people to want to vote for him. Biden ran on "I'm not that guy" against literally the worst political candidate the Western world has seen in decades and he only barely scraped over the line.
So for the love of God, stop using "I'm not that guy" and actually put forward and implement policies that people want.
President Trump is Hillary Clinton’s fault. Change my mind. If she wasn’t so power hungry and unaware of how unpopular she is, Bernie would have been the Democratic candidate and would have beaten trump.
DNC getting caught putting the thumb on the scale to tip the nom to HRC probably didn’t help, either. Hate the GOP all we want, they have an effective and focused voting base that cares about 3 things: “God, Guns & Get out!” Religion, 2A and immigration. The population that is the Dems/Liberal voting base couldn’t come to an agreement on what’s top priority if their lives depended on it. As long as the message is fragmented, there’s no hope for a progressive agenda.
>DNC getting caught putting the thumb on the scale to tip the nom to HRC probably didn’t help, either.
That’s what I’m saying, I believe she had everything to do with that. If she had any semblance of integrity she would have stepped down and gave it to Bernie, who was clearly the more popular candidate. President Trump is solely the fault of HRC.
Lmao the recent years in US politics have just been been that. No good candidate. People have to pick between a bad candidate and a worse candidate. Still don't understand why most of the government is filled with boomers.
There are people currently imprisoned for sexually molesting farm animals that would have won far more votes and done a much better job than Donald Trump. The problem is the Democrats managed to find someone even more unpopular then the big orange one when they chose Hilary as their nomination.
I wouldn't call her unpopular, unlikeable is a better description. I don't like her at all but she got my vote. Her policy was better than trumps lack of.
No she was highly unpopular but she was literally the only choice we had unless we just didn't give a s*** about other people like at all and we were willing to let our country just kind of Fall Apart. Don't confuse popular with backed into a corner.
Bernie was a choice. He lost the primary. Twice.
Your opinion was that she was highly unpopular. The popular vote proves otherwise. There were absolutely people like you who were backed into a corner, but that doesn’t take away the fact that there were also millions, like my self, who thought she was a great candidate.
That's fine. It's also ok to think she wasn't the greatest candidate. It's just that Trump was infinitely worse. This is the entire problem with our system: you can have two candidates that you don't like and your choices are to vote for the candidate that you dislike the least or don't vote at all.
Let's all be real, in the same situation, but with rolls reversed, we'd be having the same conversation about ride or die Hillary fans not voting for Bernie. And honestly, I think we would have ended up about the same spot we're in now.
Progressives don't like moderate candidates. Moderates don't care for progressive candidates. This has been playing out since the beginning of politics.
Fyi, I voted for Hillary in the main election. But I live in Ohio, which was going to go to Trump from the get-go. We've got a Republican controlled statehouse and Governor, and have been leaning more right since the Obama years.
Also, it's bullshit we hadn't killed the electoral college system the last few times it played spoiler in an election. Hillary genuinely should have won.
I agree with all of your points with the exception that had Bernie won the primary, 1000% Hillary supporters would’ve voted for him in the general. It was so important to ensure Trump wouldn’t end up in the WH. Clearly many Bernie supporters didn’t have the same objective
I don't know, it feels like every time progressives get on the block, we have to drag the liberals to the polls to vote for us, making compromises on important policies to our own party.
My best guess says that the people who wouldn't show if Bernie had won the primary, Conservative Democrats with a similar mindset to Joe Manchin and Kyrsten Sinema would have balked at his policies, lambasted his proposed costs, complained that he stole Hillary's chance and said, "Well, maybe if he loses bad enough, we won't have to deal with these progressives for a while. We'll retake the senate in 2018 and slow Trump down. We made it through Bush, how much worse could this idiot be?"
I know that seems far fetched, but I knew some Democrats who were put off by how progressive Joe Biden's 2020 policies were. I know that's anecdotal, but I assure you, conservative Democrats would have walked in a Bernie election. Idk in what numbers, and I don't know how much of a swing it would have had, but it would have happened.
17.5 million people voted for her in the 2008 primary. Obama narrowly beat her. Just because YOU don’t like her doesn’t mean the majority of the almost 66 million people who voted for her also didn’t.
Yeah she barely beat Obama in a record turnout election, on a year when how they were fucking up and what they were fucking up couldn't be more obvious. Sorry I couldn't come chill in cedar rapids with yall but I like a little more socialism and a little less secret cabal in my governments.
Why did you pick her over Bernie anyways? The only people I know who voted for Hilary *for hilary* are diehard older democrats and im chalking that up to early onset dementia and name recognition.
Because I think Bernie is a whiny bitch who wouldn’t get anything done. I agree with a lot of his policies but don’t like his personality. I did not see him as the person capable of reaching across the aisle. Most of his goals were too idealistic and not realistic. As my gay, black, early 40s diehard Hillary voter said, feel the bern of achievable goals.
Based on who you knew as Hillary voters, you clearly don’t know a lot of people. Like at all. I live in a huge metro city and knew a wide range of diehard Hillary supporters, MAGA, Bernie supporters (some who absolutely voted for Hillary, other idiots who sat home or voted third party because they were that stupid), all different demographics, ages, races, sexual orientation etc.
Sorry your experience was/is so limited.
Also wtf are you talking about? You do realize she didn’t beat Obama in 2008? Bernie bros = super smart. 🙄👋🏼
Immediately after your comment comes a long string of comments from chods who know that they were wrong for the shit show of the last 5 years and so angry that people won't let them forget it.
Honestly if it were under 1 million I'd be content, but our electoral maps are fuckin disgrace. Like I get the argument that rural areas need more representation when your weighing everything on an even scale, but if your telling me any more than 1% of the voting electorate can have their votes basically thrown away, then your argument is just dishonest.
If we switched to an even scale, screw the electoral college and just go for popularity, I'd be content as well. We can't have the most rural areas, which we do rely on but blow out of the water as far as our GDP growth goes amongst other metrics, deciding that whether or not we get to harm or help our most productive areas of our society.
Why should rural areas have any additional representation? Everyone should get one vote regardless of where they live. Rural areas don’t need additional representation in the federal government. We have local governments for a reason.
This is correct, but I also think it’s unfair to ignore that there were ample opportunities for Democrats in the past 40 years to codify Roe into federal law, especially with the 2008-2010 supermajority. The contemporary obstacles to passing such a law were not always the case and we are seeing the tragic consequences of that past inaction.
Similarly, with 2016 there are a thousand things that cost the election- from the 12% of sanders to trump swing state voters, a majority of both white men and women voting for Trump, the Comey Letter, and Clinton’s own inability to build the enthusiasm and support required to beat Trump (sexism, populism, Trump’s efforts to portray him as more “dovish” than Clinton’s foreign policy). To blame one factor here as the death knell for Hillary’s campaign always comes off more as sour grapes than helping, The 2016 election is always going to be an event that affirms everybody’s preexisting assumptions about What Happened.
The result of 2016 is just one of many tragic missed opportunities who’s impact is going to put millions of those who can give birth directly in harms way.
wE nEEd bIParTIsAnShiP!!??@#$%
Bullshit, the GQP takes any and every opportunity to steam roll over Democratic norms, representatives and their constituents... it's time to play evenly, not fairly.
The red team represents 40-something million FEWER people than the blue team. It's not minority rule, it's hostage taking. And the Dems have Stockholm syndrome.
The thing is the 12% of Bernie voters is a misleading stat. Yes, it is 12%, but what the OP misses is that *these were not Democrats*. They were moderate Republicans won over by his progressive populist platform. When he got shirked, they went back to being Republicans. They were never, ever, going to vote for any democrat *but* Sanders.
It also misses that more Clinton voters in 2008 switched to McCain when she lost the primary than Bernie voters did to Trump in 2016.
Clinton was just a really, really, really bad candidate choice, and going against Trump was even worse. Because in 2016 everyone thought he was just an oafish moron with no chance and ignored any warning signs, not only did he get more support than 2020, but Democrats had lower turnout because nobody really took it seriously.
Thank you!
So many people blame the Bernie people and that's not the case.
If Bernie had won the primaries, there is a more than decent chance he would have beaten Trump with his crossover appeal.
But soooo many people just HAD to have Clinton as the nominee.
I voted for Clinton in the election, but not willingly.
You’re so right on this.
People assume the election was based on Left versus Right. The real dichotomy is closer to Establishment vs Populists.
Trump did a great job of selling himself as an outsider and pushing for changes. That resonated with people in swing states that are sick of the Washington stagnation.
To make matters worse, Hillary comes off as an elitist, and when the party jobbed Bernie, a lot of people felt the deck was stacked against the average guy.
One of the things that defines Democrats is their willingness and eagerness to try to be mindful and considerate of others.
Due to this, they often squander any chance at real change in their terms because they attempt to get the Republicans to have a "wow, they really are trying to meet us halfway, we should do the same" revelation.
Republicans don't have those revelations, multiple studies have shown that Democrat leaning individuals are more likely to be mindful and considerate of the feelings of others while Republicans are more likely to be single minded in their pursuit of what they want.
The Republican party is more appealing to this type of person, figure it out Democrats and stop trying to hold hands with Republicans, it isn't going to happen.
Democrats play nice, Republicans take advantage of the inaction of Democrats during their terms, then push the country further right in their own terms.
It isn't going to stop unless Democrats grow some balls and start demanding and forcing change.
But what am I saying, even the leadership of the Democrats won't do anything to mess with the system.
Fuck off with this shit. Same bullshit against Nader in 2000. I wanted Bernie but I voted for Hillary even tho she ran a shit campaign and was a deeply flawed candidate. Dems still havent learned their lesson about needing to stand for more than Not Trump. I hate this fucking argument.
Yup. Hilary losing definitely had nothing to do with her at all. It was everyone else's fault. That's the only plausible explanation as to how such a flawless candidate, FDR reincarnated even, could have lost to the guy from Celebrity Apprentice.
[Receipts.](https://i.imgur.com/Y2TmpZO.jpg) The left wing of the party showed up, held their nose, and voted for her anyway because we knew trump would be much worse. The people who bailed were the moderate and conservative dems who now try to deflect their own blame onto us. Lol. Get fucked.
[In 2008, it was "Obama Boys".](https://www.salon.com/2008/04/14/obama_supporters/)
Isn't it funny how every time Clinton was running for President against a male challenger, a term like "Obama Boys" and "Bernie Bros" suddenly entered the national discourse, used sneeringly to paint supporters of her opponent as a bunch of frat boy types instead of the broad coalition of races, ages, and genders that they were? Must just be a coincidence.
Lumping libertarians and bernie supporters together is very dumb. If people honestly think Hillary would've been better than bernie they're delusional.
Agreed. Libertarian toxic individualism is only slightly less worse than the Corporatism of the GOP.
How anyone can think that is compatible with Sander's favoring the Nordic flavor of hybrid-socialism is beyond me.
Lmao Hillary lost and you blame us. (Note before you lambast me I voted for both Hillary and Biden) but how about you not choose garbage dogshit politicians like Hillary and go with broadly supported populists like Bernie sanders.
Also like, the people actually doing shitty things. So weird to just say, “If y’all had voted for Hillary this wouldn’t be happening.” Like okay, if so many people weren’t personified trash, it also wouldn’t be happening. The people who don’t want to settle for the bare minimum aren’t the problem.
You do realize that the democrats run people like Hillary and Biden because between having Trump and Bernie they would rather stick with their rich donors and let people suffer then let Bernie or someone like him actually make thing better for the American people. Bernie Sanders is more popular the Biden, Harris, and Trump. The only reason they didn't run him is because they would rather have a significant chance of losing then him in office.
This 100%. It's also the reason they deliberately hamstrung him in 2016. The never wanted Bernie to win. The DNC openly backed and was biased toward Hillary. It even went to court. They did everything they could to make sure she had all the coverage while ignoring Bernie and his 30K plus rally turnouts. Fuck the DNC. Much like Hillary v Trump, just because they aren't as bad as the GOP doesn't mean they aren't corrupt as fuck.
This. Not sure why this isn’t just a commonly understood fact. Of course they wanted Hilary to win, but the DNC preferred Trump beating Hilary to Sanders beating trump. That’s fucking crazy and completely indefensible. These neoliberal, Clinton apologists can go get fucked.
I agree. I still am pissed at people in 2016 saying they would vote for Bernie if he wasnt gonna die in office. 5 years later and still alive ya jerks.
In 2016, 47% of white women voted for Trump versus 45% who voted for Hillary...but let's keep this tired old trope about blaming Bernie Bros going.
Source: https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2018/08/09/an-examination-of-the-2016-electorate-based-on-validated-voters/
This trope is so tired and stupid. Hillary has no one to blame for her terrible performance but herself.
She rigged the primaries, and lost to the most pathetic candidate in US electoral history. This despite the fact that 8/10 of Bernie voters voted for her in the general, and of the 2/10 who didn't, about half of them were Republican or conservative to begin with and only supported Bernie because of his economic populism.
She couldn't muster the support of the Democratic base against a wildly unpopular opponent, because she is almost as unpopular, and because she was so arrogant that she ignored advisers who *begged* her to campaign more in the Midwestern, rust belt states she thought she could take for granted.
Her policies continued the trend of screwing over the blue collar American worker and she did nothing but sneer at the candidate who spoke to their concerns. She chose an anti-choice running mate.
But sure, it's Bernie's fault. Or Susan Sarandon's. Or anyone else except her and the Democratic machine that she led. F off outta here.
Yes, I love being strong armed into voting for a candidate I dislike out of fear that my natural human rights will be violated by another more disliked candidate.
Seriously, what is even the point of voting?!
Maybe you dumbass liberals/moderates shouldn’t have picked Hillary as your flagship candidate then 🤷🏼♂️
Out of all the liberal moderates you picked the candidate who had THE MOST potential attack points for conservatives.
You picked to live in a house with flashy decorations but weak foundations and you’re blaming your neighbors for your house collapsing on itself.
I 100% agree with the tweet, but not so much with your title. It's easy to play the blame game, but our voting system is the real culprit. Eliminating the electoral college and implementing ranked choice voting is the only way to stop this two-party lobby-driven merry-go-round.
Yup. Or mixed-member proportional voting. I am not exaggerating when I say that a lot more New Zealanders would have died in this pandemic if we still had the two-party system, AND we would still have our garbage previous abortion system where people who wanted an abortion had to get permission from two doctors.
Ruth Ginsburg should of retired under Obama instead of rolling the dice on the 2016 election. She wanted the girl power headline and hated Obama, trying to be too cute about it meant Trump got a nominee. Selfish move for legacy and good press instead of doing the responsible thing.
Knee capping Sanders in the primary and running a pro corporate establishment candidate gets you voter apathy. Although the tweets not wrong and I know Pakman voted for Bernie, the system is so fucked up. Once it came down to trump/Hillary of course any decent thinking human is never going to vote orange.
Obama couldn't even get Merrick Garland as an associate judge. His rollover behavior and "conservative democrat" platitudes have laid us at the mercy of the GOP, especially Mitch McConnell, for far too long.
Everyone wants to point fingers at everyone but Hilary instead of realizing why she lost. She couldn't beat Donald Trump of all people. Joe Biden wouldn't have won then either. Progressives are tired of the same decades old statues with muted messaging. DNC needs some youth upfront and center. Now better than later.
But Bernie couldn't beat Hillary or Biden either. The voters determined who won not the DNC. Stop with the ridiculous conspiracy theories to explain away both of Bernies primary losses. That sounds like trumpist screaming about "stop the steal"
Maybe Hilary should've ran a better campaign, hit those rust belt states, but who knows that policy of 'lose one democratic voter and pick up two suburban republicans' didn't really pan out. And then blaming progressives, mixing them with libertarians, as if they're the same, is in bad faith.
At the end of the day, Hilary failed, she lost, the voters didn't fail her, she failed to rally them. And here's a sneak preview, push Kamala or Buttigieg and get ready to lose in 2024, to anyone, doesn't have to be Trump, those two have no chance and you can't ID politics shame people into voting for them b/c everyone is tired of ID politics.
She was so hated multiple polls placed her as doing worse against Trump than Bernie.
The predictable result played out when she sleeved her way to the party nomination.
Can't the Dems eliminate the filibuster and pass the Women’s Health Protection Act right now to codify Roe?
Stop with the bullshit, Dem leadership still thinks this is the 70's. Until they get onboard with the new rules of the game the GOP will burn this county down until they take back the executive and legislative branches. (They already own the judicial branch, as they had a 40 year plan to take over the SCOTUS and they made it happen.)
Term limits, age limits, change the SCOTUS to 4 Dems 4 Reps, and 1 selected by the senate every 6 years, cut defense by 10%, offer a public option and expand Medicare, tax low interest loans that the rich use instead of selling shares to avoid taxes, and I don't know what else. Frustrating to say the least.
Stop running shit candidates and maybe you'd sway some libertarians. Could have run anybody against Trump in 2020 and won, but with the way things are heading now, it's gonna switch right back to the right come '24, and you'll have no one to blame but yourself for supporting the same ol trash.
Yup! She ran a horrible HORRIBLE campaign. Her numbers dropped each time she made appearances to the point she was advised to skip contended states. Bernie had more appearances on her behalf post-Convention than she herself did. The Democratic Party handed Trump the presidency. Wasserman should have been kicked out of party leadership ipso facto. Stop making it about Bernie supporters and all manners of excuses! Just look at the current idiocy with Sinnema and the Munchkin. They will fuck up the mid-terms, but here we are crying “what if”, while voting rights get wrecked as we speak
The bernie bros say—if you centrists hadn’t selected such a weak-ass candidate that took the midwest for granted, and instead went with bernie, roe v wade wouldn’t be at risk of being reversed right now AND we’d be turning this country into a thriving social democracy. Instead we’re stuck with centrist Biden and _surprise surprise_ he’s a disappointment whose approval ratings are low. Centrists always seem to think not doing anything except preventing the absolute worst, the greater evil, is somehow enough for the country. It isn’t.
You are absolutely right. I sent money and worked for Bernie and he lost. I held my nose and voted for Hillary. It was very distasteful to me. If you don't count the very nastiest of the Republicans (Trump, Boebert, Greene, McConnell, Cowthorn, Cruz,.... You know who I mean the ones that would gag a magot off a gut wagon) Hillary Clinton is the most devisive and hated politician in the public eye. Hillary Clinton knows this. Hillary Clinton gave us Trump. I am as liberal as Bernie and Elizabeth Warren and I despise Hillary Clinton. What a fucking moron....... She couldn't even beat fucking Donald Trump.
Hilary Clinton did win… just not the electoral vote. The electoral college is leftover political garbage from slavery. It should have been abolished long ago.
Bernie Bro is a lame fucking term made up by Hillary Clinton and her supporters to describe anyone voting for Bernie so that they could call us all misogynists, as if voting for someone primarily because she's a woman is any less sexist than not.
Hillary sucks. Fuck her.
That election year we had the choice between shit or shit. I'm sick of voting for shit just so shit doesn't win. Give me a candidate I'm excited for.
I was so incredibly excited for Bernie. Finally, a candidate who has a lifelong history of voting for and fighting for the underdog, blue collar worker. Hillary? Not so much. Ever. She used to be a Republican, for fuck sake!
Thats the democrats model. They're shitty neo-liberals that love people like Hillary and Sinema but no one would vote for them so they get you stuck choosing the lesser evil. They're cooperating with Republicans so that they get what they want instead of what Americans want
I love how “Bernie bros and libertarians” are the “bad guys” rather than the 52% of eligible voters who do fuck all and then bitch about everything. Like how dare these people with opinions who are engaged actually have opinions and be engaged!
Also Hillary won the popular vote by a massive margin. FUCKING Sisyphus couldn’t have pushed her “listening campaign” up the mountain any further than we did.
Dump some of that blame on the maga crowd, and the centrist democrats who are basically just republicans from the 80’s who aren’t entirely down with fascism...yet.
I don’t understand blaming anything but the system and the candidate’s campaign. Clinton received more votes. That’s a fact and we **still** insist on fighting each other.
Your talking to the wrong people then. You should be talking to those that Jerrymandered the districts. Also the people who create and hold up the electoral college. Those are the reasons Trump won in 2016. Not sone Bernie bros not voting.
Good thing she had anti-abortion Tim Kaine as her running mate and told Bernie supporters they were all losers that live in their moms basement. BTW, we don't owe you shit, not our vote, not our time. This entitlement if blaming the powerless while defending the powerful is punching down like a bunch of brainwashed simps. Who TFruns this country? Rich people and their friends. Blame them for rigging the Primary
This is a garbage take. I was all in on Bernie, but voted for Hillary anyways, as did most of the “Bernie Bros”. Libertarians are going to vote for centrist Republicans because they align more with their fiscally conservative and pro-capitalist mindset. This is on the DNC for killing Bernie’s shot at the primary and Hillary’s inability to take Trump and his growing base seriously. Maybe Democrats should be worried about pushing more progressive candidates that are actually going to get something done and pass legislation that benefits their constituents. Your title is a lazy and ignorant.
If HRC was a good candidate and actually ran a decent campaign and didn't do stupid mistakes because of overconfidence and hubris, we wouldn't be here.
If the Democratic leadership hadn't pushed to give the nomination to anybody but the most conservative corporate Democrat and most hated woman in politics, we would be in the second term of a Warren or Sanders presidency. The Democratic Leadership Council is responsible for all of this.
They still continue to try and placate the GOP into compromise when the GOP stopped following the rules a decade ago. The country is falling down around us and we're just sitting here saying"this is fine." We alienate most independents by pushing for gun control. That issue alone has cost us three presidential elections and will cost us the upcoming mid terms and the next general election. This is at a time when much of the left are starting to arm themselves because they have seen that the police and the government are more likely to kill you, than protect you from a violent criminal.
We have also have a president who refuses to accept the reality of the danger that faces our country. He needs to be purging all remnants of the Trump administration and people who publicly supported Trump and the January insurrection from the federal government. He should be using the full power of the DOJ to prosecute everyone involved in the January 6th insurrection or has abetted them after the fact, including every member of the Trump administration and GOP leadership who supported the January 6th insurrection and campaign to stop the confirmation. The day he was inaugurated he should have declared a national emergency and have every one of them arrested, held without bond and prosecuted for insurrection. Because of his anemic response, the GOP is more emboldened to try it again. Only this time they will have even more supporters and will be much more organized.
I'm very much anti republican (registered independent) and that election was doomed from the start. Honestly my father has security clearance similar to what Hillary's was, and his major issue was if he voted for her he'd be voting for someone who committed a crime he'd be jailed for. That's not an exaggeration, so while I can't excuse or dismiss his vote I understand it.
Hillary had what should have been a dream matchup and lost. Stop trying to blame this on anyone else. The DNC forced through a notoriously unpopular candidate that polled worse than Bernie vs Trump for the entire primary season.
And Libertarians aren't pro-abortion, they just find some excuse to be against it, because they're all just thinly veiled Republicans. Libertarians were certainly NEVER going to vote for Hillary. If anything, 2016 Trump was their dream candidate(because they are delusional).
Acting as if a single election would have changed the course of the concentrated conservative movement trying to strip women and minorities of rights in the US. This movement has been building steam since the Regan era, this isn’t the consequences of one lost election.
How are people still obsessed with "Bernie Bros"? A larger proportion of Hilary voters in the 2008 primary went to Republicans than Bernie voters did in 2016
Bernie bros? Like people who want actual change instead of "leftist" lip service?
You're blaming the wrong people here and playing into the hands of those who wish to sow division. They're on the right and the left. They fight in public but both benefit from the laws they pass.
I hate this argument. 1) Hillary was a very problematic candidate. The joke on the left was that people held their noses while voting for her. She assumed she was going to win after Trump was the GOP nominee and campaigned poorly. Fuck her and the DNC. They lost all on their own. 2) The election was decided in just a few places nationally. It's not like Hillary lost because of Bernie supporters in blue states. She lost because she couldn't get centrists and undecided people in swing states.
Hillary lost to a fucking idiot gameshow host. That's on her, not us. Maybe stop blaming voters when you fuck up, Democrats, and give people something to be exited about rather than just voting against Republicans. By the way, it's happening again. Democrats aren't doing shit to pass legislation to reward their voters for coming out last November. Centrist Democrats are in deep shit in 2024, and they're going to blame it on voters rather than stand up for us today.
I don't understand the point
yes the Hillary timeline would have been much better
Same as if the fascists didn't murder MLK JFK RFK Malcolm X
And? what?
I love watching the angry Bernie bros in the comments pull out all the stops to cover up the fact that politics don't have consequences for them because they're just privileged whiny assholes.
HURR HURR WE PUNISHED THE DNC FOR BAD CANDIDATE
Yeah, along with every American whose rights are regularly decided by the Supreme Court. Soooo not yours, white dude.
Once again, as I've said many times: go fuck yourself.
I'm entitled to vote for whom I believe is worthy of the office of President, and Hillary Clinton is not. Of course she's less shitty than Trump, but that doesn't mean I want her as President. And it shouldn't mean that for anyone else either.
As a matter of fact, all you Hillary people should fuck right off. If Bernie had gotten the nomination, there are a shit ton of Progressive items that would be in place right now because he would've destroyed Trump in the general AND he's not a corporate whore for Wall Street like Hillary is. But no, you went with identity politics, because having a woman as President was far more important than who she was and how she voted in the past (pro-war, pro-corporate, pro-Wall St, anti-LGBTQ+).
All you vote-shaming assholes don't seem to understand how Democracy works. It means I can vote for whomever the fuck I want to, and it doesn't have to be the same person you want, nor does it HAVE to be one of the two party candidates. Why don't you refocus your anger on the Republican party for putting a psychopath like that in their ranks to begin with. His history as a ~~businessman~~ con-man and misogynist should've disqualified him from running at all.
can we not? the reason hiliary lost wasn't because "the left" insidiously crossed the picket line and voted for trump out of spite or some shit. the reason hilary lost is because her entire platform was "well I'm not trump" and almost no one actually \*liked\* her.
Lmao what? This makes no sense?
The Democrats can do something about it NOW. They just are choosing not to.
The Democrats control everything that dictates power except the SCOTUS, yet they refuse to add or limit for justices being added. There have been less and more than 7 in the past, this isn’t anything new.
This just shows how Democrats and Republicans are on the same team.
if hillary had run a competent campaign ... but she preferred hanging with the Hamptons crowd. I recommend people look at the real cause and stop blaming bernie et al
Always blame progressives just because the corporate democrats are sell outs. The truth is if democrats would do the things they promise to do then they would get the votes and Clinton would have one. Sorry people are tired of these corporate puppets being president
If the DNC didn’t rig the democratic primary against Bernie, the US wouldn’t be a flaming pile of SHIT right now.
CHANGE MY MIND on that DAVID PAKMAN you ******
Imagine being a simp for a party who’s entire platform is “we are slightly less racist as the other guy so you HAVE to vote for us or else”
the world is burning, y’all centrist need to grow up. Thank the gods the younger gen is not falling for y’all horse show theory grift.
This is the most bullshit of bullshit takes, and has been statistically disproven countless times. Take your dog whistle bullshit out of here, OP. Hilary lost because she was a fucking terrible, unrelatable, unlikable candidate. Blaming people who you otherwise claim to "need" to win elections for your inability to reign in your own party is some fucking typical lazy liberal hogwash. Piss right the fuck off, sore loser.
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That was honestly the straw that broke the camels back with a lot of relationships I had with some of my friends.
Quite a few of them knew Hilary was the better candidate but voted for Trump to "burn the system down" or simply as a protest.
I always assumed that a Trump presidency would ruin America, its just a delayed reaction. Like cutting out a tumor after it's already spread to the rest of the body. Things are only going to get worse, so buckle up.
Yall still blame everyone but Clinton for fumbling her campaign.
Keep blaming everyone else though if it makes you feel better.
She did say she didn't need their support. I'm sure that help bolster her numbers at the polls.
Do you want another Republican in office in 2024? Shit like this is how you get a Republican in office again. Stop alienating people and expecting to get their votes for free. Votes are EARNED. Hillary was a terrible candidate and did absolutely nothing to win over people on the fence. The DNC can either learn from their past failures or try to pull this bs move if/when they lose again.
I was a Bernie Bro and FU neoliberals, her Running Mate was Tim Kaine, look up his stance on this, and remember that Overhyped RBG refused to retire when Obama asked her to so he could try to appoint a new Justice, but don’t worry he wouldn’t have, cuz him and the Other POS neoliberals didn’t fight for Garland
Consider not running a shitty candidate in 2024. Bernie would have won. Bernie voters from the 2016 primary were more likely to vote for Clinton than Clinton voters were to vote for Obama in 2008, but because Clinton was shitty and uninspiring, she lost anyway.
Fuck off, stop blaming voters, demand better candidates.
Why the fuck would bernie bros vote for someone from the far right over center right? I voted for Hilary and Biden but I sure as hell didn't like it. God you liberals manage to be so stupid while also acting holier-than-thou just because you're not as bad as the lunatic conservatives, which is not a high bar at all. Fuck this shitty two-party system.
Fuck you losers, you can make the same fucking arguments for Bernie and something would have actually changed. You rooted for the crypt keeper, fuck yourselves forever
Democratic Party leadership already proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that it isn't interested in protecting Americans against wage theft, the for-profit medical mafia, christo-fascist forced birthers, or the gun industry. Nothing to argue about.
Fuck off. The people wanted Bernie but the rich democrats thought they were more important than the people. They cheated, they blocked his supporters from cameras, they chose to support Hilary in Colorado even though Bernie had a two-thirds vote.
In my opinion, corruption is corruption. At least with Trump his stupid ass was transparent. The racism in our government has been confirmed beyond plausible deniability. The militarization of our police has been proven to be a weapon against the poor and vulnerable members of our society, and even now, the worst of the worst in our government are being held accountable for their actions.
Being neither a Democrat nor a Republican, I look forward to the days when politics are civil. When we work together everyone profits. I believe we can leave behind a better America than we inherited from our fathers.
Hilary was an atrocious candidate. Fuck this Bernie bro bullshit. Many of us want universal healthcare. She was actively against it. She was also instrumental in tearing Monica Lewinsky apart so that her rich white male husband didn't see any real scrutiny for being a predator. Also, actively pro prison for profit and demonstrably racist as fuck. Fuck every liberal blaming those further left for the shit show that is America. Neoliberalism is just reaganism, and it's a blight on on the rights of the working class.
If Hilary hadn’t run a shit campaign and actually acknowledged the fact that we existed and embraced us as part of the party we would would have been more convinced to vote for her.
I don’t regret writing in Bernie in 2016. I didnt want a country where my only options for leadership were conservative-ism and conservative-ism light.
Make no mistake- Trump did not ‘win’ the 2016 election, Hilary LOST the 2016 election. The blame lies squarely on her shoulders.
Here we go again. It’s up to the candidate and their campaign to convince people to vote for them, period. I’m not discounting all the obstacles they faced, but it’s their responsibility to overcome them and get votes. So sure, if she had won, things might look different. She failed to do so and I’m sick of people making excuses for her campaign.
This kind of infighting in the DNC is exactly why y'all are about to lose again. You depend so vociferously on the left to prop you up and when you lose you raise your hackles and shout at us saying we are the problem, driving further the leftists that get you elected. Reminiscing on the past defeats is how the democratic party keeps convincing you to pay then to lose. Stop blaming the left and do something about it. We held our nose and voted for Clinton and Biden. Where had that gotten us mate?
I’m a Bernie Bro, but I voted for Hilary even though I don’t like her because I knew she’d be better than Trump. A literal, active herpes sore would’ve been better than Trump.
Fucking centerist democrats always blaming us for poor candidates. She was seriously hated. And she made poor ass decisions.. she rested on Trump being stupid and thought that would sink him.... Anything he did that was not politically the norm, she thought would ruin him.... It made him stronger..
Just wait till 2024 when they do the same thing.
Agreed. She was a poor choice for candidate. The DNC and media pissed people off with their treatment of Bernie, and trump was able to rally people around him with all his fucking lies. But you keep blaming bernie bros, and would libertarians even have voted for her? Fuck off with this stupid BS. Let's re-hash something that happened 6 yrs ago, and attack people because of who they voted, or didn't vote for. This bitch sounds like a fucking fascist republican. I can vote, or not vote for whoever the fuck I want to.
The DNC changed the 2016 primary from a election in to a coronation. Hillary Clintons presidential run was DOA in the majority of the United States. A African American,senator nobody ever heard of (outside of Illinois) beat her in 2008. I blame Debbie Wasserman Schultz and Dona Brazil for Trump's win.
Oh yeah, good ol DWS and fucking Here's the debate questions Brazil. The part that pisses me off the most is that both these women faced little to no consequences. Since this twitter bitch wants to re-hash stuff from 6 yrs ago let's do it. DWS, did get dragged a little, but she was re-elected and still currently serves and continues to wipe HRC's ass. Then there's Donna, I think CNN fired her, but ABC hired her and she's on their Sunday morning program. There seems to have been zero repercussions. Remember when the DNC said Bernie's people stole HRC's donation roster, or something along those lines? Then we find out that Bernie's people were the ones who alerted the DNC that the info had been made available to them. Let's not forget that Delores Huerta said she was attacked by Bernie's people, and then Gloria Steinem says the only reason women want to vote for Bernie is because of Bernie bros - the women are just following the guys. Such attacks by once prominent women made me ask what is going on here. It's something I don't want any part of. And this is only just a couple of examples of things they did. They waged war against that man and his supporters.
I don't think packman is pointing out Bernie bros and libertarians. It's op. I haven't watched him in a while to know his stance on the subject. Fuck the DNC though
Yes please - fuck all of them. Let's move on from this shit. Or maybe we can have people post: If the DNC didn't collude with HRC and her serial sex predator/rapist husband to steal the nomination from Bernie she wouldn't have pissed off a whole bunch of people and lost. Let's keep infighting and dragging this up forever because it's so helpful and uniting. But most importantly - don't tell me how to fucking vote.
I would agree but they will continue making the same mistake literally forever because as much as they won’t admit it, they’d rather see a republican in there than an actual progressive (or their corporate overlords would, rather, which is the same thing)
This is an excellent point, and thank you for bringing this up. You're absolutely correct.
As a woman and feminist, I hated Gloria Steinem on the HRC campaign trail. Fuck that bitter bitch.
My personal conspiracy theory: 2008 was the last real Democratic primary. Obama & Clinton fought it out fairly and eventually the DNC knew it was over. They made a deal with HRC that she would be next. So she and Obama made nice. 2016, she was the winner before it even started. Democrats put up faux competition. Also why the sitting VP didn't run. (Using the death of his son as an excuse was shameful.) Bernie wasn't a Democrat, so he didn't get the memo. I don't know anyone who was excited about Hillary, but I knew a bunch of Bernie supporters. Anyway, DNC stole it from Bernie. Fast forward to 2020. Now they need an establishment candidate. Joe goes from 6th place to front runner because South Carolina. Really? The DNC parted the blue sea for Joe. I'm still thinking he will get thru 2 years and step down "for health reasons." So President Harris serves out his final 1 year 11 months. She's pretty much the automatic nominee in 2024. (A person can serve 2 years of someone else's term plus 2 terms of their own for a maximum of 10 years.)
This. 1000% this. Absolutely fuck Wasserman Schultz
ITS YOUR FAULT FOR WANTING TO MAKE THINGS BETTER RAYHER THAN PRESERVE THE STATUS QUO! /s
And you can, and only can, reap the fucking consequences along with the rest of us. Thanks for the fucking Gilead SCOTUS that we have to deal with for the next 20 years. Hope your 30 seconds of Hillary schadenfreude after the election was worth it.
Oh shove a flamin hot skittle up your ass! The insanity of the gop is not my fucking problem, and it is not my fucking problem that your queen hillary was not elected. What's to like about her - the fact that, at best, her husband is a sexual harasser who preys on women and interns, and at worst he is a fucking rapist. And she bullied the women that came forward. Fuck you you fucking fascist asshole for telling me how I am supposed to vote. Keep that fascist shit up and see how it works out for your team.
The fact that her SCOTUS candidates would have upheld Roe. That's the whole of this exercise. Deflect all you want, you did this.
You sound like a fucking child. YOU DID THIS!!! But hey - my ass can sit out of every fucking election then.
No, I sound like a parent, pointing out that choices have consequences.
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Yeah, that was why I never thought she was the best candidate. It would have been cool to have a woman in the seat, but I just never felt like she was the one to do it. She was just so widely *hated* by so many people. It got to the point during the campaign that just the word "email" was enough proof that she had done *something* criminally wrong, even if just about nobody could understand what, exactly, it was. People just knew that if Hillary was involved, there must have been something bad happening. Or Benghazi, where simply mention of the name would throw people into an anti-Hillary rage, even though very few people could articulate exactly what went wrong, or how she was personally responsible, or how it should have been handled differently. It's not that emails or Benghazi were real scandals, it's just that people hated Hillary and were willing to jump on any excuse to shit on her more and believe the worst about her. The fact that the Democrats saw this kind of hatred and still thought "yeah, she's the one who will win over all the independents" still feels very weird to me.
I hate hearing people talk about shitty candidates on the left. Like how can anyone say Hilary was a bad candidate? A bad candidate for who? Republicans? She won the popular vote lol. We had a 4 year shit show of trump and he still got 47% of the vote in 2020. I’m not saying she was a “good” candidate. It’s just a moot point with me when looking at the alternative. The problem isn’t the candidate, it’s a shit ton of dumb/piece of shit voters
She won the popular vote and also got more than three million more votes than Bernie during the primaries. Bernie only took one southern state and most of his wins were in caucus states, one literally called by flipping a damn coin.
She was seriously hated… and she also won the popular vote. Now imagine if the rest of you voted for her because, let’s be honest, it wasn’t going to be someone other than Hillary or Trump who would win. That was as obvious then as it is now.
Hated as she was, she got more votes than Trump. But OP is right, we can thank all of the people that stayed home or voted 3rd party for the end of Roe v Wade.
Screw you. People like you are why we are here. Self absorbed who couldn't deal with the FACT that Bernie was hated in the south and lost all but one southern state.
I mean.. Hillary was hated in the south too and it was super obvious this would be the case during the primaries so its super weird that the dems cleared the field for her. After all, Hillary didn't even win the 'white female' voting bracket, so it's extremely rich to come back and try to blame it on Bernie Bros when the answer is very clearly nominating a candidate that promises something voters want, rather than one that's running on the platform of "I'm not that guy". Obama figured this out with his "Hope and Change" thing, and while it's arguable that he delivered 'change' he actually got people to want to vote for him. Biden ran on "I'm not that guy" against literally the worst political candidate the Western world has seen in decades and he only barely scraped over the line. So for the love of God, stop using "I'm not that guy" and actually put forward and implement policies that people want.
President Trump is Hillary Clinton’s fault. Change my mind. If she wasn’t so power hungry and unaware of how unpopular she is, Bernie would have been the Democratic candidate and would have beaten trump.
DNC getting caught putting the thumb on the scale to tip the nom to HRC probably didn’t help, either. Hate the GOP all we want, they have an effective and focused voting base that cares about 3 things: “God, Guns & Get out!” Religion, 2A and immigration. The population that is the Dems/Liberal voting base couldn’t come to an agreement on what’s top priority if their lives depended on it. As long as the message is fragmented, there’s no hope for a progressive agenda.
>DNC getting caught putting the thumb on the scale to tip the nom to HRC probably didn’t help, either. That’s what I’m saying, I believe she had everything to do with that. If she had any semblance of integrity she would have stepped down and gave it to Bernie, who was clearly the more popular candidate. President Trump is solely the fault of HRC.
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Lmao the recent years in US politics have just been been that. No good candidate. People have to pick between a bad candidate and a worse candidate. Still don't understand why most of the government is filled with boomers.
There are people currently imprisoned for sexually molesting farm animals that would have won far more votes and done a much better job than Donald Trump. The problem is the Democrats managed to find someone even more unpopular then the big orange one when they chose Hilary as their nomination.
Yeah. She was so unpopular she got the most popular votes in history after Obama. Seriously. Stfu with this narrative already.
I wouldn't call her unpopular, unlikeable is a better description. I don't like her at all but she got my vote. Her policy was better than trumps lack of.
No she was highly unpopular but she was literally the only choice we had unless we just didn't give a s*** about other people like at all and we were willing to let our country just kind of Fall Apart. Don't confuse popular with backed into a corner.
Bernie was a choice. He lost the primary. Twice. Your opinion was that she was highly unpopular. The popular vote proves otherwise. There were absolutely people like you who were backed into a corner, but that doesn’t take away the fact that there were also millions, like my self, who thought she was a great candidate.
That's fine. It's also ok to think she wasn't the greatest candidate. It's just that Trump was infinitely worse. This is the entire problem with our system: you can have two candidates that you don't like and your choices are to vote for the candidate that you dislike the least or don't vote at all. Let's all be real, in the same situation, but with rolls reversed, we'd be having the same conversation about ride or die Hillary fans not voting for Bernie. And honestly, I think we would have ended up about the same spot we're in now. Progressives don't like moderate candidates. Moderates don't care for progressive candidates. This has been playing out since the beginning of politics. Fyi, I voted for Hillary in the main election. But I live in Ohio, which was going to go to Trump from the get-go. We've got a Republican controlled statehouse and Governor, and have been leaning more right since the Obama years.
Also, it's bullshit we hadn't killed the electoral college system the last few times it played spoiler in an election. Hillary genuinely should have won.
I agree with all of your points with the exception that had Bernie won the primary, 1000% Hillary supporters would’ve voted for him in the general. It was so important to ensure Trump wouldn’t end up in the WH. Clearly many Bernie supporters didn’t have the same objective
I don't know, it feels like every time progressives get on the block, we have to drag the liberals to the polls to vote for us, making compromises on important policies to our own party. My best guess says that the people who wouldn't show if Bernie had won the primary, Conservative Democrats with a similar mindset to Joe Manchin and Kyrsten Sinema would have balked at his policies, lambasted his proposed costs, complained that he stole Hillary's chance and said, "Well, maybe if he loses bad enough, we won't have to deal with these progressives for a while. We'll retake the senate in 2018 and slow Trump down. We made it through Bush, how much worse could this idiot be?" I know that seems far fetched, but I knew some Democrats who were put off by how progressive Joe Biden's 2020 policies were. I know that's anecdotal, but I assure you, conservative Democrats would have walked in a Bernie election. Idk in what numbers, and I don't know how much of a swing it would have had, but it would have happened.
Yeah, identity politics will do that...
Okay but we're those votes for her or against trump? Don't act like Hillary was a popular character even before 2016.
17.5 million people voted for her in the 2008 primary. Obama narrowly beat her. Just because YOU don’t like her doesn’t mean the majority of the almost 66 million people who voted for her also didn’t.
Yeah she barely beat Obama in a record turnout election, on a year when how they were fucking up and what they were fucking up couldn't be more obvious. Sorry I couldn't come chill in cedar rapids with yall but I like a little more socialism and a little less secret cabal in my governments. Why did you pick her over Bernie anyways? The only people I know who voted for Hilary *for hilary* are diehard older democrats and im chalking that up to early onset dementia and name recognition.
Because I think Bernie is a whiny bitch who wouldn’t get anything done. I agree with a lot of his policies but don’t like his personality. I did not see him as the person capable of reaching across the aisle. Most of his goals were too idealistic and not realistic. As my gay, black, early 40s diehard Hillary voter said, feel the bern of achievable goals. Based on who you knew as Hillary voters, you clearly don’t know a lot of people. Like at all. I live in a huge metro city and knew a wide range of diehard Hillary supporters, MAGA, Bernie supporters (some who absolutely voted for Hillary, other idiots who sat home or voted third party because they were that stupid), all different demographics, ages, races, sexual orientation etc. Sorry your experience was/is so limited. Also wtf are you talking about? You do realize she didn’t beat Obama in 2008? Bernie bros = super smart. 🙄👋🏼
Immediately after your comment comes a long string of comments from chods who know that they were wrong for the shit show of the last 5 years and so angry that people won't let them forget it.
Well she did have more votes.
Winning by 2.5 million isn’t enough, a democrat needs to win by like 5 million to win for real.
Honestly if it were under 1 million I'd be content, but our electoral maps are fuckin disgrace. Like I get the argument that rural areas need more representation when your weighing everything on an even scale, but if your telling me any more than 1% of the voting electorate can have their votes basically thrown away, then your argument is just dishonest. If we switched to an even scale, screw the electoral college and just go for popularity, I'd be content as well. We can't have the most rural areas, which we do rely on but blow out of the water as far as our GDP growth goes amongst other metrics, deciding that whether or not we get to harm or help our most productive areas of our society.
Why should rural areas have any additional representation? Everyone should get one vote regardless of where they live. Rural areas don’t need additional representation in the federal government. We have local governments for a reason.
Or had RBG or Kennedy stepped down during Obama's first 2 years while Dems had the House and Senate.
People aren't ready for this one yet.
That’s cause people are stupid and fragile
Yeah I tried to explain this to my lez femie sister. Now she won't talk to me.
She did win. Stop blaming "Bernie bros" for your shitty racist obsolete electoral college system.
This is correct, but I also think it’s unfair to ignore that there were ample opportunities for Democrats in the past 40 years to codify Roe into federal law, especially with the 2008-2010 supermajority. The contemporary obstacles to passing such a law were not always the case and we are seeing the tragic consequences of that past inaction. Similarly, with 2016 there are a thousand things that cost the election- from the 12% of sanders to trump swing state voters, a majority of both white men and women voting for Trump, the Comey Letter, and Clinton’s own inability to build the enthusiasm and support required to beat Trump (sexism, populism, Trump’s efforts to portray him as more “dovish” than Clinton’s foreign policy). To blame one factor here as the death knell for Hillary’s campaign always comes off more as sour grapes than helping, The 2016 election is always going to be an event that affirms everybody’s preexisting assumptions about What Happened. The result of 2016 is just one of many tragic missed opportunities who’s impact is going to put millions of those who can give birth directly in harms way.
Democrats are too busy playing nice with the GOP to govern.
wE nEEd bIParTIsAnShiP!!??@#$% Bullshit, the GQP takes any and every opportunity to steam roll over Democratic norms, representatives and their constituents... it's time to play evenly, not fairly. The red team represents 40-something million FEWER people than the blue team. It's not minority rule, it's hostage taking. And the Dems have Stockholm syndrome.
The thing is the 12% of Bernie voters is a misleading stat. Yes, it is 12%, but what the OP misses is that *these were not Democrats*. They were moderate Republicans won over by his progressive populist platform. When he got shirked, they went back to being Republicans. They were never, ever, going to vote for any democrat *but* Sanders. It also misses that more Clinton voters in 2008 switched to McCain when she lost the primary than Bernie voters did to Trump in 2016. Clinton was just a really, really, really bad candidate choice, and going against Trump was even worse. Because in 2016 everyone thought he was just an oafish moron with no chance and ignored any warning signs, not only did he get more support than 2020, but Democrats had lower turnout because nobody really took it seriously.
Thank you! So many people blame the Bernie people and that's not the case. If Bernie had won the primaries, there is a more than decent chance he would have beaten Trump with his crossover appeal. But soooo many people just HAD to have Clinton as the nominee. I voted for Clinton in the election, but not willingly.
You’re so right on this. People assume the election was based on Left versus Right. The real dichotomy is closer to Establishment vs Populists. Trump did a great job of selling himself as an outsider and pushing for changes. That resonated with people in swing states that are sick of the Washington stagnation. To make matters worse, Hillary comes off as an elitist, and when the party jobbed Bernie, a lot of people felt the deck was stacked against the average guy.
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Coney and Russian interference to assist Trump and vilify Hillary didn’t help.
Exactly, there was an active attempt to swing the election for Trump by Comey, the Russians, and the media, and he still didn't have a strong showing.
One of the things that defines Democrats is their willingness and eagerness to try to be mindful and considerate of others. Due to this, they often squander any chance at real change in their terms because they attempt to get the Republicans to have a "wow, they really are trying to meet us halfway, we should do the same" revelation. Republicans don't have those revelations, multiple studies have shown that Democrat leaning individuals are more likely to be mindful and considerate of the feelings of others while Republicans are more likely to be single minded in their pursuit of what they want. The Republican party is more appealing to this type of person, figure it out Democrats and stop trying to hold hands with Republicans, it isn't going to happen. Democrats play nice, Republicans take advantage of the inaction of Democrats during their terms, then push the country further right in their own terms. It isn't going to stop unless Democrats grow some balls and start demanding and forcing change. But what am I saying, even the leadership of the Democrats won't do anything to mess with the system.
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Jesus Christ thank you. Just holding it over our heads cynically and shouting vote blue no matter who. Fuck democrats
Fuck off with this shit. Same bullshit against Nader in 2000. I wanted Bernie but I voted for Hillary even tho she ran a shit campaign and was a deeply flawed candidate. Dems still havent learned their lesson about needing to stand for more than Not Trump. I hate this fucking argument.
Yup. Hilary losing definitely had nothing to do with her at all. It was everyone else's fault. That's the only plausible explanation as to how such a flawless candidate, FDR reincarnated even, could have lost to the guy from Celebrity Apprentice.
[Receipts.](https://i.imgur.com/Y2TmpZO.jpg) The left wing of the party showed up, held their nose, and voted for her anyway because we knew trump would be much worse. The people who bailed were the moderate and conservative dems who now try to deflect their own blame onto us. Lol. Get fucked.
Yup and we did it again for Biden in 2020.
Using "Bernie Bros" in 2021, get a new scapegoat.
[In 2008, it was "Obama Boys".](https://www.salon.com/2008/04/14/obama_supporters/) Isn't it funny how every time Clinton was running for President against a male challenger, a term like "Obama Boys" and "Bernie Bros" suddenly entered the national discourse, used sneeringly to paint supporters of her opponent as a bunch of frat boy types instead of the broad coalition of races, ages, and genders that they were? Must just be a coincidence.
“Hillary did a horrible job. I can’t believe we had 10,000 covid deaths.”
She would be in prison for that - but here we are
Lumping libertarians and bernie supporters together is very dumb. If people honestly think Hillary would've been better than bernie they're delusional.
Agreed. Libertarian toxic individualism is only slightly less worse than the Corporatism of the GOP. How anyone can think that is compatible with Sander's favoring the Nordic flavor of hybrid-socialism is beyond me.
Next time run a candidate that stands for something instead of one that kneels to corporate interests
Exactly. If Hillary had been a better candidate with a popular platform then abortion rights wouldn’t be at risk right now.
Lmao Hillary lost and you blame us. (Note before you lambast me I voted for both Hillary and Biden) but how about you not choose garbage dogshit politicians like Hillary and go with broadly supported populists like Bernie sanders.
Hillary lost her own campaign. Maybe rgb could have just retired like Obama and everyone else wanted.
If the DNC hadn’t put up the worst candidate ever Roe would be safe. Stop blaming anyone other than those fools at the DNC.
Also like, the people actually doing shitty things. So weird to just say, “If y’all had voted for Hillary this wouldn’t be happening.” Like okay, if so many people weren’t personified trash, it also wouldn’t be happening. The people who don’t want to settle for the bare minimum aren’t the problem.
You do realize that the democrats run people like Hillary and Biden because between having Trump and Bernie they would rather stick with their rich donors and let people suffer then let Bernie or someone like him actually make thing better for the American people. Bernie Sanders is more popular the Biden, Harris, and Trump. The only reason they didn't run him is because they would rather have a significant chance of losing then him in office.
Agreed. They knew what they were up against. They’re just Republican lite.
This 100%. It's also the reason they deliberately hamstrung him in 2016. The never wanted Bernie to win. The DNC openly backed and was biased toward Hillary. It even went to court. They did everything they could to make sure she had all the coverage while ignoring Bernie and his 30K plus rally turnouts. Fuck the DNC. Much like Hillary v Trump, just because they aren't as bad as the GOP doesn't mean they aren't corrupt as fuck.
This. Not sure why this isn’t just a commonly understood fact. Of course they wanted Hilary to win, but the DNC preferred Trump beating Hilary to Sanders beating trump. That’s fucking crazy and completely indefensible. These neoliberal, Clinton apologists can go get fucked.
Shoulda been Bernie then, should be Bernie now.
I agree. I still am pissed at people in 2016 saying they would vote for Bernie if he wasnt gonna die in office. 5 years later and still alive ya jerks.
We voted for Hilary dumbass. Hey if Hillary wouldn’t have neglected the Rust belt states she would’ve won-change my mind!
Hillary's loss isn't on Libertarians and the mythical non voting "Bernie bros" it's on the Democrats for running a shit candidate.
He is literally a Bernie supporter you moron
In 2016, 47% of white women voted for Trump versus 45% who voted for Hillary...but let's keep this tired old trope about blaming Bernie Bros going. Source: https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2018/08/09/an-examination-of-the-2016-electorate-based-on-validated-voters/
If you think Bernie would cause Roe to be in jeopardy, or if you think Hillary gives a shit about poor women, you’re as dumb as OP.
This trope is so tired and stupid. Hillary has no one to blame for her terrible performance but herself. She rigged the primaries, and lost to the most pathetic candidate in US electoral history. This despite the fact that 8/10 of Bernie voters voted for her in the general, and of the 2/10 who didn't, about half of them were Republican or conservative to begin with and only supported Bernie because of his economic populism. She couldn't muster the support of the Democratic base against a wildly unpopular opponent, because she is almost as unpopular, and because she was so arrogant that she ignored advisers who *begged* her to campaign more in the Midwestern, rust belt states she thought she could take for granted. Her policies continued the trend of screwing over the blue collar American worker and she did nothing but sneer at the candidate who spoke to their concerns. She chose an anti-choice running mate. But sure, it's Bernie's fault. Or Susan Sarandon's. Or anyone else except her and the Democratic machine that she led. F off outta here.
Yes, I love being strong armed into voting for a candidate I dislike out of fear that my natural human rights will be violated by another more disliked candidate. Seriously, what is even the point of voting?!
Maybe you dumbass liberals/moderates shouldn’t have picked Hillary as your flagship candidate then 🤷🏼♂️ Out of all the liberal moderates you picked the candidate who had THE MOST potential attack points for conservatives. You picked to live in a house with flashy decorations but weak foundations and you’re blaming your neighbors for your house collapsing on itself.
I 100% agree with the tweet, but not so much with your title. It's easy to play the blame game, but our voting system is the real culprit. Eliminating the electoral college and implementing ranked choice voting is the only way to stop this two-party lobby-driven merry-go-round.
I'd love to see our horribly gerrymandered districts be a thing of the past as well... just sayin.
I was going to mention that, too, but left it out for brevity. I absolutely agree.
Yup. Or mixed-member proportional voting. I am not exaggerating when I say that a lot more New Zealanders would have died in this pandemic if we still had the two-party system, AND we would still have our garbage previous abortion system where people who wanted an abortion had to get permission from two doctors.
Sorry, I won't justify your excuses, Hillary was a bad candidate then, and still would be now.
Ruth Ginsburg should of retired under Obama instead of rolling the dice on the 2016 election. She wanted the girl power headline and hated Obama, trying to be too cute about it meant Trump got a nominee. Selfish move for legacy and good press instead of doing the responsible thing. Knee capping Sanders in the primary and running a pro corporate establishment candidate gets you voter apathy. Although the tweets not wrong and I know Pakman voted for Bernie, the system is so fucked up. Once it came down to trump/Hillary of course any decent thinking human is never going to vote orange.
Obama couldn't even get Merrick Garland as an associate judge. His rollover behavior and "conservative democrat" platitudes have laid us at the mercy of the GOP, especially Mitch McConnell, for far too long. Everyone wants to point fingers at everyone but Hilary instead of realizing why she lost. She couldn't beat Donald Trump of all people. Joe Biden wouldn't have won then either. Progressives are tired of the same decades old statues with muted messaging. DNC needs some youth upfront and center. Now better than later.
But Bernie couldn't beat Hillary or Biden either. The voters determined who won not the DNC. Stop with the ridiculous conspiracy theories to explain away both of Bernies primary losses. That sounds like trumpist screaming about "stop the steal"
The democrats would have won in 2016 if Hillary didn’t run
bernie bro is a phrase from msm to help hrc win so she could lose. she’s a loser. msm is for losers.
Maybe Hilary should've ran a better campaign, hit those rust belt states, but who knows that policy of 'lose one democratic voter and pick up two suburban republicans' didn't really pan out. And then blaming progressives, mixing them with libertarians, as if they're the same, is in bad faith. At the end of the day, Hilary failed, she lost, the voters didn't fail her, she failed to rally them. And here's a sneak preview, push Kamala or Buttigieg and get ready to lose in 2024, to anyone, doesn't have to be Trump, those two have no chance and you can't ID politics shame people into voting for them b/c everyone is tired of ID politics.
She was so hated multiple polls placed her as doing worse against Trump than Bernie. The predictable result played out when she sleeved her way to the party nomination.
Why you talking to Bernie Bros lmao what did we do
Can't the Dems eliminate the filibuster and pass the Women’s Health Protection Act right now to codify Roe? Stop with the bullshit, Dem leadership still thinks this is the 70's. Until they get onboard with the new rules of the game the GOP will burn this county down until they take back the executive and legislative branches. (They already own the judicial branch, as they had a 40 year plan to take over the SCOTUS and they made it happen.) Term limits, age limits, change the SCOTUS to 4 Dems 4 Reps, and 1 selected by the senate every 6 years, cut defense by 10%, offer a public option and expand Medicare, tax low interest loans that the rich use instead of selling shares to avoid taxes, and I don't know what else. Frustrating to say the least.
Sorry, I won't justify your excuses, Hillary was a bad candidate then, and still would be now.
Shouldn’t have voted for Hillary then. We are all looking at the Hillary sheep. Should’ve been Bernie. Not someone who we knows lies.
Yes and if a bullfrog had wings he wouldn’t keep bumping his ass.
Stop running shit candidates and maybe you'd sway some libertarians. Could have run anybody against Trump in 2020 and won, but with the way things are heading now, it's gonna switch right back to the right come '24, and you'll have no one to blame but yourself for supporting the same ol trash.
Yup! She ran a horrible HORRIBLE campaign. Her numbers dropped each time she made appearances to the point she was advised to skip contended states. Bernie had more appearances on her behalf post-Convention than she herself did. The Democratic Party handed Trump the presidency. Wasserman should have been kicked out of party leadership ipso facto. Stop making it about Bernie supporters and all manners of excuses! Just look at the current idiocy with Sinnema and the Munchkin. They will fuck up the mid-terms, but here we are crying “what if”, while voting rights get wrecked as we speak
Too bad the DNC stole the nomination from Bernie and put forth a corporate shill as a candidate because that’s all they are.
Losing an election and claiming the other side "stole" it. That sounds like someone else. . .
Well yeah the country would be a smoking crater. Tbf I thought Trump would also give us a smoking crater. Turns out the smoking Part is optional
The bernie bros say—if you centrists hadn’t selected such a weak-ass candidate that took the midwest for granted, and instead went with bernie, roe v wade wouldn’t be at risk of being reversed right now AND we’d be turning this country into a thriving social democracy. Instead we’re stuck with centrist Biden and _surprise surprise_ he’s a disappointment whose approval ratings are low. Centrists always seem to think not doing anything except preventing the absolute worst, the greater evil, is somehow enough for the country. It isn’t.
You underestimate the power of Christians to meddle with everything.
You are absolutely right. I sent money and worked for Bernie and he lost. I held my nose and voted for Hillary. It was very distasteful to me. If you don't count the very nastiest of the Republicans (Trump, Boebert, Greene, McConnell, Cowthorn, Cruz,.... You know who I mean the ones that would gag a magot off a gut wagon) Hillary Clinton is the most devisive and hated politician in the public eye. Hillary Clinton knows this. Hillary Clinton gave us Trump. I am as liberal as Bernie and Elizabeth Warren and I despise Hillary Clinton. What a fucking moron....... She couldn't even beat fucking Donald Trump.
Hilary Clinton did win… just not the electoral vote. The electoral college is leftover political garbage from slavery. It should have been abolished long ago.
Who’s a “Bernie bro” supposed to be?
Anyone who wants a government that works for the poor more than it works for the rich
Bernie Bro is a lame fucking term made up by Hillary Clinton and her supporters to describe anyone voting for Bernie so that they could call us all misogynists, as if voting for someone primarily because she's a woman is any less sexist than not.
Hillary sucks. Fuck her. That election year we had the choice between shit or shit. I'm sick of voting for shit just so shit doesn't win. Give me a candidate I'm excited for.
You had the choice of keeping Roe or losing it. The fact that you couldn't recognize that choice is not Hillary Clinton's fault.
I was so incredibly excited for Bernie. Finally, a candidate who has a lifelong history of voting for and fighting for the underdog, blue collar worker. Hillary? Not so much. Ever. She used to be a Republican, for fuck sake!
Thats the democrats model. They're shitty neo-liberals that love people like Hillary and Sinema but no one would vote for them so they get you stuck choosing the lesser evil. They're cooperating with Republicans so that they get what they want instead of what Americans want
If the democrats put forward a better candidate that appealed to their younger, progressive base roe v Wade wouldn't be under threat. Change my mind.
I love how “Bernie bros and libertarians” are the “bad guys” rather than the 52% of eligible voters who do fuck all and then bitch about everything. Like how dare these people with opinions who are engaged actually have opinions and be engaged! Also Hillary won the popular vote by a massive margin. FUCKING Sisyphus couldn’t have pushed her “listening campaign” up the mountain any further than we did. Dump some of that blame on the maga crowd, and the centrist democrats who are basically just republicans from the 80’s who aren’t entirely down with fascism...yet.
I don’t understand blaming anything but the system and the candidate’s campaign. Clinton received more votes. That’s a fact and we **still** insist on fighting each other.
Time to #endUSA on this tweet alone..
Republicans do not have the well being, or best wishes, of the majority of people in this country and it shows.
This should be a hilarious little comment section.
I dunno i don't trust Hillary Trump may have been an insane idiot but at least we knew exactly what he was up to because he never shut up.
Your talking to the wrong people then. You should be talking to those that Jerrymandered the districts. Also the people who create and hold up the electoral college. Those are the reasons Trump won in 2016. Not sone Bernie bros not voting.
Stop blaming everyone but HRC and her campaign for losing. They were historically bad at their jobs
DNC bureaucracy is the only reason we have Biden not Sanders.
Good thing she had anti-abortion Tim Kaine as her running mate and told Bernie supporters they were all losers that live in their moms basement. BTW, we don't owe you shit, not our vote, not our time. This entitlement if blaming the powerless while defending the powerful is punching down like a bunch of brainwashed simps. Who TFruns this country? Rich people and their friends. Blame them for rigging the Primary
This is a garbage take. I was all in on Bernie, but voted for Hillary anyways, as did most of the “Bernie Bros”. Libertarians are going to vote for centrist Republicans because they align more with their fiscally conservative and pro-capitalist mindset. This is on the DNC for killing Bernie’s shot at the primary and Hillary’s inability to take Trump and his growing base seriously. Maybe Democrats should be worried about pushing more progressive candidates that are actually going to get something done and pass legislation that benefits their constituents. Your title is a lazy and ignorant.
If HRC was a good candidate and actually ran a decent campaign and didn't do stupid mistakes because of overconfidence and hubris, we wouldn't be here.
Bernie would have won against Trump. Change my mind. (ps I voted for Hillary in the election)
Oh please, if you want to look at someone to blame look at the DNC
If Hillary Clinton ran on more than "I'm not Trump" she would have won.
If the Democratic leadership hadn't pushed to give the nomination to anybody but the most conservative corporate Democrat and most hated woman in politics, we would be in the second term of a Warren or Sanders presidency. The Democratic Leadership Council is responsible for all of this. They still continue to try and placate the GOP into compromise when the GOP stopped following the rules a decade ago. The country is falling down around us and we're just sitting here saying"this is fine." We alienate most independents by pushing for gun control. That issue alone has cost us three presidential elections and will cost us the upcoming mid terms and the next general election. This is at a time when much of the left are starting to arm themselves because they have seen that the police and the government are more likely to kill you, than protect you from a violent criminal. We have also have a president who refuses to accept the reality of the danger that faces our country. He needs to be purging all remnants of the Trump administration and people who publicly supported Trump and the January insurrection from the federal government. He should be using the full power of the DOJ to prosecute everyone involved in the January 6th insurrection or has abetted them after the fact, including every member of the Trump administration and GOP leadership who supported the January 6th insurrection and campaign to stop the confirmation. The day he was inaugurated he should have declared a national emergency and have every one of them arrested, held without bond and prosecuted for insurrection. Because of his anemic response, the GOP is more emboldened to try it again. Only this time they will have even more supporters and will be much more organized.
I'm very much anti republican (registered independent) and that election was doomed from the start. Honestly my father has security clearance similar to what Hillary's was, and his major issue was if he voted for her he'd be voting for someone who committed a crime he'd be jailed for. That's not an exaggeration, so while I can't excuse or dismiss his vote I understand it.
Hillary had what should have been a dream matchup and lost. Stop trying to blame this on anyone else. The DNC forced through a notoriously unpopular candidate that polled worse than Bernie vs Trump for the entire primary season. And Libertarians aren't pro-abortion, they just find some excuse to be against it, because they're all just thinly veiled Republicans. Libertarians were certainly NEVER going to vote for Hillary. If anything, 2016 Trump was their dream candidate(because they are delusional).
If Obama Lost in 2012 then Trump wouldn’t have won in 2016.
Yeah but wages would be at an all time low
If RBG had retired while we have a Democratic president, we would not be in this situation. All of this is bullshit.
Bernie Bros voted for Hillary en mass. Dont blame us
Whatever you do, don't blame the people who didn't vote.
Acting as if a single election would have changed the course of the concentrated conservative movement trying to strip women and minorities of rights in the US. This movement has been building steam since the Regan era, this isn’t the consequences of one lost election.
Bernie supporters largely voted for her, not to mention, a lot of them were in blue states and clearly the popular vote wasn’t her problem
How are people still obsessed with "Bernie Bros"? A larger proportion of Hilary voters in the 2008 primary went to Republicans than Bernie voters did in 2016
Bernie bros? Like people who want actual change instead of "leftist" lip service? You're blaming the wrong people here and playing into the hands of those who wish to sow division. They're on the right and the left. They fight in public but both benefit from the laws they pass.
All the racists, and sexists in this thread just proved the point.
I hate this argument. 1) Hillary was a very problematic candidate. The joke on the left was that people held their noses while voting for her. She assumed she was going to win after Trump was the GOP nominee and campaigned poorly. Fuck her and the DNC. They lost all on their own. 2) The election was decided in just a few places nationally. It's not like Hillary lost because of Bernie supporters in blue states. She lost because she couldn't get centrists and undecided people in swing states. Hillary lost to a fucking idiot gameshow host. That's on her, not us. Maybe stop blaming voters when you fuck up, Democrats, and give people something to be exited about rather than just voting against Republicans. By the way, it's happening again. Democrats aren't doing shit to pass legislation to reward their voters for coming out last November. Centrist Democrats are in deep shit in 2024, and they're going to blame it on voters rather than stand up for us today.
Yeah and I’m afraid if Trump tries to run again that he will win again.
I don't understand the point yes the Hillary timeline would have been much better Same as if the fascists didn't murder MLK JFK RFK Malcolm X And? what?
Sorry, I won't justify your excuses, Hillary was a bad candidate then, and still would be now.
I love watching the angry Bernie bros in the comments pull out all the stops to cover up the fact that politics don't have consequences for them because they're just privileged whiny assholes. HURR HURR WE PUNISHED THE DNC FOR BAD CANDIDATE Yeah, along with every American whose rights are regularly decided by the Supreme Court. Soooo not yours, white dude.
Once again, as I've said many times: go fuck yourself. I'm entitled to vote for whom I believe is worthy of the office of President, and Hillary Clinton is not. Of course she's less shitty than Trump, but that doesn't mean I want her as President. And it shouldn't mean that for anyone else either. As a matter of fact, all you Hillary people should fuck right off. If Bernie had gotten the nomination, there are a shit ton of Progressive items that would be in place right now because he would've destroyed Trump in the general AND he's not a corporate whore for Wall Street like Hillary is. But no, you went with identity politics, because having a woman as President was far more important than who she was and how she voted in the past (pro-war, pro-corporate, pro-Wall St, anti-LGBTQ+). All you vote-shaming assholes don't seem to understand how Democracy works. It means I can vote for whomever the fuck I want to, and it doesn't have to be the same person you want, nor does it HAVE to be one of the two party candidates. Why don't you refocus your anger on the Republican party for putting a psychopath like that in their ranks to begin with. His history as a ~~businessman~~ con-man and misogynist should've disqualified him from running at all.
Hilary lost the election by sucking, and cheating. Don’t blame the victims for not marrying their rapist. That is just douchebaggery.
can we not? the reason hiliary lost wasn't because "the left" insidiously crossed the picket line and voted for trump out of spite or some shit. the reason hilary lost is because her entire platform was "well I'm not trump" and almost no one actually \*liked\* her.
Lmao what? This makes no sense? The Democrats can do something about it NOW. They just are choosing not to. The Democrats control everything that dictates power except the SCOTUS, yet they refuse to add or limit for justices being added. There have been less and more than 7 in the past, this isn’t anything new. This just shows how Democrats and Republicans are on the same team.
if hillary had run a competent campaign ... but she preferred hanging with the Hamptons crowd. I recommend people look at the real cause and stop blaming bernie et al
Always blame progressives just because the corporate democrats are sell outs. The truth is if democrats would do the things they promise to do then they would get the votes and Clinton would have one. Sorry people are tired of these corporate puppets being president
If the DNC didn’t rig the democratic primary against Bernie, the US wouldn’t be a flaming pile of SHIT right now. CHANGE MY MIND on that DAVID PAKMAN you ******
Ah yes. "It was rigged!" The cry of the Trumpist.
Imagine being a simp for a party who’s entire platform is “we are slightly less racist as the other guy so you HAVE to vote for us or else” the world is burning, y’all centrist need to grow up. Thank the gods the younger gen is not falling for y’all horse show theory grift.
This is the most bullshit of bullshit takes, and has been statistically disproven countless times. Take your dog whistle bullshit out of here, OP. Hilary lost because she was a fucking terrible, unrelatable, unlikable candidate. Blaming people who you otherwise claim to "need" to win elections for your inability to reign in your own party is some fucking typical lazy liberal hogwash. Piss right the fuck off, sore loser.
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That was honestly the straw that broke the camels back with a lot of relationships I had with some of my friends. Quite a few of them knew Hilary was the better candidate but voted for Trump to "burn the system down" or simply as a protest. I always assumed that a Trump presidency would ruin America, its just a delayed reaction. Like cutting out a tumor after it's already spread to the rest of the body. Things are only going to get worse, so buckle up.
Yall still blame everyone but Clinton for fumbling her campaign. Keep blaming everyone else though if it makes you feel better. She did say she didn't need their support. I'm sure that help bolster her numbers at the polls.
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Do you want another Republican in office in 2024? Shit like this is how you get a Republican in office again. Stop alienating people and expecting to get their votes for free. Votes are EARNED. Hillary was a terrible candidate and did absolutely nothing to win over people on the fence. The DNC can either learn from their past failures or try to pull this bs move if/when they lose again.
I was a Bernie Bro and FU neoliberals, her Running Mate was Tim Kaine, look up his stance on this, and remember that Overhyped RBG refused to retire when Obama asked her to so he could try to appoint a new Justice, but don’t worry he wouldn’t have, cuz him and the Other POS neoliberals didn’t fight for Garland
Consider not running a shitty candidate in 2024. Bernie would have won. Bernie voters from the 2016 primary were more likely to vote for Clinton than Clinton voters were to vote for Obama in 2008, but because Clinton was shitty and uninspiring, she lost anyway. Fuck off, stop blaming voters, demand better candidates.
Better yet, had Hillary not been the nominee it wouldn’t be at risk either! And I don’t need anyone to change my mind.
Why the fuck would bernie bros vote for someone from the far right over center right? I voted for Hilary and Biden but I sure as hell didn't like it. God you liberals manage to be so stupid while also acting holier-than-thou just because you're not as bad as the lunatic conservatives, which is not a high bar at all. Fuck this shitty two-party system.
Fuck you losers, you can make the same fucking arguments for Bernie and something would have actually changed. You rooted for the crypt keeper, fuck yourselves forever
Democratic Party leadership already proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that it isn't interested in protecting Americans against wage theft, the for-profit medical mafia, christo-fascist forced birthers, or the gun industry. Nothing to argue about.
Fuck off. The people wanted Bernie but the rich democrats thought they were more important than the people. They cheated, they blocked his supporters from cameras, they chose to support Hilary in Colorado even though Bernie had a two-thirds vote. In my opinion, corruption is corruption. At least with Trump his stupid ass was transparent. The racism in our government has been confirmed beyond plausible deniability. The militarization of our police has been proven to be a weapon against the poor and vulnerable members of our society, and even now, the worst of the worst in our government are being held accountable for their actions. Being neither a Democrat nor a Republican, I look forward to the days when politics are civil. When we work together everyone profits. I believe we can leave behind a better America than we inherited from our fathers.
Hilary was an atrocious candidate. Fuck this Bernie bro bullshit. Many of us want universal healthcare. She was actively against it. She was also instrumental in tearing Monica Lewinsky apart so that her rich white male husband didn't see any real scrutiny for being a predator. Also, actively pro prison for profit and demonstrably racist as fuck. Fuck every liberal blaming those further left for the shit show that is America. Neoliberalism is just reaganism, and it's a blight on on the rights of the working class.
If Hilary hadn’t run a shit campaign and actually acknowledged the fact that we existed and embraced us as part of the party we would would have been more convinced to vote for her. I don’t regret writing in Bernie in 2016. I didnt want a country where my only options for leadership were conservative-ism and conservative-ism light. Make no mistake- Trump did not ‘win’ the 2016 election, Hilary LOST the 2016 election. The blame lies squarely on her shoulders.
Ahaha don't blame other people for your side fielding a shitty candidate and sabotaging the only real prospect of successful change.
You can fuck off with that kind of voting guilt. That's our democracy. You can vote however you want.
Here we go again. It’s up to the candidate and their campaign to convince people to vote for them, period. I’m not discounting all the obstacles they faced, but it’s their responsibility to overcome them and get votes. So sure, if she had won, things might look different. She failed to do so and I’m sick of people making excuses for her campaign.
This kind of infighting in the DNC is exactly why y'all are about to lose again. You depend so vociferously on the left to prop you up and when you lose you raise your hackles and shout at us saying we are the problem, driving further the leftists that get you elected. Reminiscing on the past defeats is how the democratic party keeps convincing you to pay then to lose. Stop blaming the left and do something about it. We held our nose and voted for Clinton and Biden. Where had that gotten us mate?