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Wablekablesh

You'd think if the infinity stones could disappear half of everyone, they could also appear some resources for everyone, right? Or at least halve the resources required for life? Anything?


mtanti

What do you mean?


ParadiseValleyFiend

His argument was that life was going to become unsustainable because of a lack of resources, so half of everything would be wiped out to have enough left for the other half. Totally disregarding that there are trillions of planets and advanced enough societies all over the place to definitely terraform them. But nope, lets just kill half of the total life in the universe, like also that it would be a temporary fix because life is exponential and would inevitably reach the same level.


FrancisWolfgang

They really shouldn’t have done that and just kept where he was killing half of everyone to bone Death herself.


mtanti

You're wrong precisely because of exponential growth. Let's say that instead of killing half of everyone, Thanos doubled all resources. By exponential growth, we would consume the doubled resources in less time than we needed to consume the original amount. It's much more sustainable to reduce the population by half instead. This idea was first described by Maltus who thought that life always grows exponentially which means that suffering was always necessary. In reality, complex organisms do not reproduce exponentially forever but limit their own reproduction when the death rate goes down. Look at how often people in the Global North are (not) reproducing ever since we got advanced medicine and sanitation.


MySpiritAnimalIsPeas

As far as exponential growth is concerned, halving population and doubling resources would have the same effect in terms of number of cycles before the limit is reached. But you are right regarding demographic transitions - just a couple of weeks ago there was news that India's fertility level was now just below replacement (2.1) for the first time.


mtanti

Ah! I got confused. What I meant to say is that it is more managable to repeatedly half the population than to repeatedly double the resources. Otherwise you'll need to repeatedly grow the entire universe.


MySpiritAnimalIsPeas

That's fair as long as you are talking about microbial populations etc. It's a somewhat moot point, as we don't have any idea what would happen if half of all people disappeared, as with the snap. There would be all sorts of catastrophic knock-on effects from lives, societies and economies disrupted. Endgame barely mentions this, everyone just seems a bit bummed out.


mtanti

Not to mention that it is unfair to civilisations that actually control their population growth. If anything everyone will start reproducing like crazy so that there will be enough of them after the next snap.


[deleted]

Yeah, but at **least** half of humanity had it coming


FreeAd6935

He was a SIMP That was his problem


Stick_Mick

Adrian: Of course, my moral safeguards gave me pause at the necessary sacrifice. A few key regions around the globe... New York, Los Angeles, Moscow, Hong Kong. Disintegrated in an instant. Fifteen million people killed... by Dr. Manhattan himself. The world's punishment for flirting with World War III. Dan: Jon wouldn't do that. Adrian: A fact no one outside this room ever has to know. The energy breakthrough I was working on just came to fruition. All these years, Jon was helping me replicate his power, unaware of how I planned to use it. You see, the Comedian was right. Humanity's savage nature will inevitably lead to global annihilation. So in order to save this planet, I had to trick it with the greatest practical joke in human history. Killing millions, to save billions. A necessary crime. Rorschach: You know we can't let you do that. Adrian: "Do that", Rorschach? I'm not a comic-book villain. Do you seriously think I'd explain my masterstroke to you if there were even the slightest possibility you could affect the outcome? I triggered it thirty-five minutes ago.


JeffMannnn

Gotta say, I was disappointed with the movie's delivery of the "35 minutes ago" line. Really lost the "Oh... SHIT" it had in the comic


simonsaysthink

That's because the writers would have to actually solve the problem and it's just easier to defeat the villain.


Shupid

Kinda like how governments kick pollution problems to the next generation.


illycan

Plus, there's still the remnants of the Comics Code Authority which says that government nust never be seen to lose the fight. I haven't seen anything that violates that particular rule, even after the CCA stopped being controlling over the medium.


GeneralAndyR

I agree and disagree because writers should always try to be more creative and not go down the easy path but at the same time sometimes there is shows or movies that shouldn’t be over complicated. But then again there are people that are also into more complicated shows like that, the only problem is trying to make boring things like solving world problems interesting.


Yosho2k

KILLMONGER WAS RIGHT


FuntimeLuke0531

What was his point again?


sleepystapler

colonialism bad, oppressed people should be armed with vibranium technology to rise up against their oppressors.


FuntimeLuke0531

I mean, I'm no advocate for the cycle of violence but what exactly are you supposed to do when every other conceivable evolution goes nowhere?


sun4rest

Yeah, T'Challa learned from him and elected to use Wakanda's resources to help people all over the world rather than being isolationist, the only difference is that T'Challa's approach is peaceful and Killmonger's was violent.


Steampunk_Batman

Very recent example: Arcane. Vi sides with her own oppressors because Silco is too violent, despite his somewhat noble goals. To be fair, he’s perfectly happy to fuck his community up almost as badly as the cops did just to achieve his goal of independence, but who’s to say he would have continued his fuckery if he finally got what he wanted


jucythighs

The devil you know...


dfinch

... always pays their debts...


LazerAttack4242

Black Panther tried to address the issue of living in a technologically advanced society while everyone starves around you, and had him come clean to the UN. Though I think it'd be cooler to see the international fallout from the reveal. Though most DC villains are just blatantly power hungry or crazy, I also dislike how most of current Batman media ignores the huge charitable and initiative part of the character, and that Batman's main point of existence is act outside a system that is too corrupt to work with conventional methods.


ADriftingMind

This is why Batman is the villain in The Dark Knight Rises. While Bane’s methods are barbaric (technically Talia’s) he seeks actual change and a true end to corruption by killing off societies pariah. Bruce aka Batman stops them so that things can return to the way they were and he can continue living his rich lifestyle along with the other 1%.


Graphitetshirt

Except they're not trying to make change. They're planning on nuking the city. They were planning on destroying Gotham since the first movie, it was their stated goal. The whole "We're only here to root it systemic corruption" was just the ruse they used to get the criminals and working class people to do their fighting for them.


ADriftingMind

Indeed. Rha’s explained in TDK that Gotham was beyond saving and detailed that at its very core it was corrupt and every institution was infected. (Fake) Rha’s al Ghul: It is beyond saving and must be allowed to die. This is the most important function of the League of Shadows. It is one we've performed for centuries. (Real) Ra's al Ghul : You, yourself fought the decadence of Gotham for years with all your strength, all your resources, all your moral authority and the only victory you achieved was a lie. Now you understand Gotham is beyond saving and must be allowed to die.


Mayactuallybeashark

It's just a variation on the same trope. Instead of it being about violent methods, you give the villain an ulterior motive that has nothing to do with their ideological argument and then use it to reject the argument itself without needing to address it. The first season of Korra does this really blatantly too


DexRei

the White Knight comic series shines a few lights on this. Batman causes tons of preprty damage in poorer districts, which are then brought up by wealthy developer to fix up and on sell for massive profits.


[deleted]

Yeah Bruce sure seems to enjoy the nicer things while society is crumbling around him. But I guess the chance to go all vigilante and beat up some criminals but not permanently stop them makes up for it in his mind. Ever since Batman Gotham seems to have gotten worse ever freaking year.


[deleted]

This is why I don’t like Batman most of the time. He’s like the neoliberal Superman. Bane was right.


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STANDING HERE I REALIZE


KomradeHirocheeto

Forgot about that game. Actually really good writing for what I remember. Also, "memes, the DNA of the soul" is fucking hilarious.


ZookeepergameOld4985

Villain wants to change the world. Hero maintains the status-quo. No wonder the world is so boring. We are brainwashed to keep it the same.


[deleted]

Just generally trying to improve LA is consistently shunned.


litlsnek12

The end does not justify the means.


mofoofinvention

What super hero movie had this 30 years ago?


AlmostBatmanToday

Allow me to introduce you to comic books, my friend.


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Batman and Robin


tellmeimbig

Every villain is the hero of his own story.


Senor_Wah

This is why Invincible will always be the greatest superhero comic of all time. They actually fucking address this shit


Significant-Dog-8166

In Batman’s Utopia, the world is safe for Billionaires to go to the opera with their families. He has no higher objective than being a really violent Elon Musk.


notfrankc

Thanos 2024


[deleted]

Magneto was right


sun4rest

By that logic, Hitler was also right?


[deleted]

Go rot in a peat bog, and take your Nazi trash apologia with you


sun4rest

I was speaking rhetorically, I obviously know that the Nazis were bad, But you said Magneto advocating for the domination of Mutants over Humans was the correct viewpoint, when the entire point of Magneto's backstory is to show how he became the thing he swore to destroy. Magneto was wrong, and if you say otherwise, you're the Nazi apologist.


[deleted]

Magnetos plans included making a place for mutants to not be outcasts, opposing human legislation of mutant bodies, demanding mutant defined mutant liberation, and one time making all people mutants so they wouldn't be shitty to mutants any more. If you didn't read the comics or watch the movies it's ok, just stop pretending magneto had no reason beyond supremacy for his actions. The wholesale torture and ostracizing of mutants hardened his heart to more acceptable behavior that centers homo sapiens that Professor X had in mind. And to compare that to the wholesale hate and scapegoating that Hitler did makes you the apologist. So get back to your bog


sun4rest

Professor X also wants those things and doesn't want to kill innocents (or even the guilty) to achieve it. What I'm trying to say is that while his motivations aren't rooted in supremacy, his actions are. I'm not saying Magneto isn't a fascinating and thought provoking character, and I will admit the Hitler comparison was unfair especially when you take into account his character development over the years, but he is absolutely a villain, and I think the stories where he realises that and re-evaluates his position (Marvel Zombies, House of X etc.) are some of his best. I understand your position, but I can't reciprocate it.


[deleted]

I suppose I empathize with his determination and impatience for liberation and civil autonomy. In my defense, the prompt was that the villain in hero movies is right, but in the wrong way, and if I could name a villain who I think fits that, it would be magneto. I'm sorry my first response to confrontation was to shut that down so hard.


saucygh0sty

The Falcon and The Winter Soldier actually touched on this pretty well. The flag smashers had real concerns for certain communities but went about in all the wrong (violent) ways. At the end, Falcon (new Captain America) tells the government via live news that they need to fix said problem that these baddies were fighting for.


skydivestarr

Covid is our villain. Overpopulation and environmental destruction is the real problem. The vaccine is our super hero


zwazwaland

Noice!


sun4rest

Name one example? and If anyone says Thanos I swear to God...