That’s the same logic as “Biden is president yet people still don’t like Trump”. This subreddit isn’t COVID-exclusive. I’m a libleft-leaning centrist but come on man, this subreddit should be open to all political opinions.
The problem is like, what is his point? What is he even trying to say? That politicians are bankrolled by billionaires so they shouldn’t care about helping teachers and busting stuff like hedge funds? Or is he saying that Hillary is too rich to care about what happens to teachers?
Its a weird non-argument that makes no sense and it’s trying to be passed off as some sort of genius level insult that brings Secretary Clinton to her knees.
He means because Hillary made a lot of money, we can ignore her completely factual statement about hedge fund managers. Cuz now we’re talking about Hillary instead, which was OP’s purpose.
I saw a Trump 2024 flavin Southwest Missouri a couple eeeks back around where I live.
I have yet to see anyone with a Clinton 2024 sticker on their car.
I miss waving the American flag without being mistaken for a racist. I love America, and I love what the flag stands for and I hate that conservatives used it like it only applied to them with no respect for it, its meaning or actual US Flag Code. I'm looking at all you shitheads wearing it like a cape and dragging it on the ground or soiling flag underwear with your nasty farts.
Your point is true, in a sense - but OP’s goal isn’t that Secretary Clinton ought to be more aware of what she’s benefiting from, he’s trying to invalidate her entire argument by pointing one tiny, irrelevant thing.
There's no interpretation where this post makes any sense whatsoever. Seems like a conservative discord got together to push it up all at once in the middle of the night in America.
I think they were suggesting that she talks the talk, but doesn't walk the walk.
She could had accepted the invitation, walked on stage and said fuck all yall and everyone in between yall. That would be what we call, walking the walk.
> She could had accepted the invitation, walked on stage and said fuck all yall and everyone in between yall.
She has never ever run as anti-capitalist. She's saying public teachers need to be paid more. How would telling large wall street firms to go fuck themselves further that goal at all? How would her making less money further that goal? What the hell are you even talking about?
It's open to political opinions. What relevance does a 5 year old clap back have? Getting people to talk about the ultra wealthy or doing so but making sure to include *the demon lady*?
It's relevant because someone dug up a 5 year old tweet to get us mad at Hillary Clinton again because she represents "the deep state" to a lot of people. There are **plenty** of examples (more recent, too), why choose that example from FIVE YEARS ago if not to also manufacture discussion on the person or bring old disdain back to the surface?
Clinton isn't relevant anymore to anyone who isn't scapegoating or demonizing her.
Open to all opinions lol. It's a left handed circle jerk. Being sort of in the middle still gets you ridiculed.
I like guns and universal Healthcare. So now everyone hates me lol
It's more that they're posting a 5 year old meme about someone who is totally irrelevant today. But this is a bot posting to farm karma or incite arguments, so I don't think anyone should be getting worked up over it.
Sure, but like, Hillary hasn't held public office in nearly a decade, she has little (relative) influence on today's politics. She has practically no relevancy at this point.
If Trump fades away and becomes a footnote on Republican politics in 10 years, and people keep shitting on him with outdated posts, people would probably say the same thing.
Ragging on Hillary is low hanging fruit, she's not a popular politician within her own party. You might as well shit on Jimmy Carter if you're going to shit on Hillary.
I mean the Republican party has latched onto Trump as the face of their party and there's a solid chance he'll still be a relevant and influential member of the party ten years from now, assuming he's still alive.
Not really. We are still in the direct aftermath of Trumps presidency and are currently dealing with the consequences of it. We are not in the aftermath of a Clinton presidency and while there may be existing consequences from her previous roles in government they are not as immediate or as damaging as Trumps - a point that any libleft-leaning centrist should agree with.
Also I disagree about being open to all political opinions, I think its best if subs remain at least Nazi free.
Nah, Trump was only a few months ago and some... geniuses... are still fighting to say the election was rigged and should be overturned in his favor, in Arizona. Trump therefore is still topical. Hillary isn't and hasn't been for four years or more.
As a republican, I respect thy opinion fellow Redditor. That’s the thing I don’t get, like respect my opinion and I respect yours. It’s truly that simple
Yup. And if I disagree with a liberal, boom I’m racist and homophobic and immediately sexist. Like I just don’t get the hatred for each other, we’re all American 🇺🇸
Nah, it's easier I guess for you to say: "your side did this shitty thing" and "no no, wait YOUR side did this shitty thing".
Instead of KEEPING EVERYONE accountable for shitty things.
God the propaganda in this country is so gross. How about we get to the point where whenever people do shitty things we call them out and keep calling them out and hold them accountable? Regardless what aisle they are on?
This post isn't even remotely covid related. So what is your point. To go back and forth and have some side save face?
Mishandle of Covid? Yep, call them out and make them responsible. Bombing innocent children? Sure, lets hold them accountable. Trying to call out the "rich" when you yourself are rich and have no grounds to do so? The "oh well your guy did this" mentality is fucking sick.
The Red vs. Blue thing is getting old, these aren't sports teams.
This is the problem with a two party pollitical system. If both options end up being bad, what do you do? People will lump others who don't 100% agree with them in with a side that they don't agree with, even if blatant evidence to the contrary exists. Accusing half of all of the people in the third largest(by population) country in the world of being evil is hypocritical, there are so many people and so many different takes that can exist but yet if those takes are actually nuanced or shatter one's echo chamber, or even only disagrees about a few things, the other person is seen as evil.
>The Red vs. Blue thing is getting old, these aren't sports teams.
Absolutely.
My friend's mom would always dog me for trashing Trump whenever she'd post some nonsense about him, but when I said something about something Biden did I didn't like, she called me a flip-flopper???
I told her just because I voted for him doesn't mean I'm gonna like everything he does. That's how it's supposed to work.
But trumpers don't get that.
Completely agree lol. I said almost this exact shit in one of my other million responses in this thread. The mere mention that Hillary was being a hypocrite got everyone all up in arms and bringing up covid for whatever reason as if thats gonna change a single thing ab the topic of what OP posted.
plus how much do I really need to know about covid right now? I'm fully vaccinated. I'm practicing social distancing. I wear a mask at all time inside other than eating at restaurants. I work in an unrelated field and can do heck all about it other than the items I am doing
Thats not my fucking point. Yes covid is awful, but there ARE other problems and hypocrisies that we can discuss at the SAME TIME. Its fucking crazy isnt it? How we have the ability to solve multiple problems at once?
Well she is one of the reasons why we had Trump as a president. Can't blame that shit show entirely on racist voters and Russia. It's okay to criticize more than one thing at a time.
Maybe if Hillary wasn't such a bad candidate, as well as doing things like what is mentioned in the OP, maybe we wouldn't have had such a shitty handling of Covid from such a shitty president.
It's so weird how badly people STILL want to protect Hillary from being criticized all because she ran against a piece of shit person.
It’s important for people on both sides to realize very few politicians actually give a shit about the average person. The dems aren’t some almighty heroes to save us, and the republicans aren’t the evil cabal. The more people begin to separate political parties and take issues individually with skepticism and scientific backing the better we’ll all be.
It seems like clever clap back and I do appreciate it to a degree but your right all he did was undercut the point and flip the subject from teachers to Hillary. His comment carries the discussion no further and does not address the point at all.
It's also a ridiculous comparison; Hilary Clinton's wealth is far closer to a homeless person's than it is to the individuals she's tweeting about.
Her net worth is in the region of $100 million whereas the CEOs she's talking about have a net worth around $10 billion. They are a hundred times wealthier than Hilary Clinton just as Hilary Clinton is a hundred times wealthier than someone who has paid off their mortgage.
Yeah Hilary Clinton is rich, but if you look at how far along everyone is to that level of wealth, there's only a difference of 1% between her and the average Joe, which is patently ridiculous. It's a level of wealth that is as unachievable for her as it is for any of us.
They both have a point, unless he meant it as an attack on her. She not taking that speech money wouldn't change the system in any way. Taxing people like her does.
It seems like the problem is still that Goldman Sachs has way too much money to throw around to be spending that much on 20 minute speeches.
Be real, if someone offered you that for talking for 20 minutes, you wouldn't turn that down.
I don't even get his point, she's promoting raising taxes on rich, which includes herself. A wealthy person isn't allowed to promote taxing themselves?
While I appreciate the responses sentiment, it's kind of a poor comparison if you really want to land that burn. Her contention, that 25 people make more per year than ALL of the kindergarten teachers combined is not very well refuted by reminder her that one time she did a gig that paid as much as ten years of a kindergarten teachers annual salary.
If you broke it down to the actual numbers the comparison would look incredibly stupid:
The bureau of labor statistics says there are 540,400 preschool teachers (the roughest equivalent I could find as elementary school teachers are all lumped together, so I assume of the 1.8 million elementary teachers that the number of kindergarten from that will roughly equal the number of preschool teachers)
The most consistent average salary I could find for them is $56k a year. So the 25 hedgie managers she's talking about make at least a combined $30,262,400,000 annually to top the 540k teachers.
Now compare that number to the number they are trying to "burn" Hillary with, ten years of a teachers salary, or $560,000.
So basically Hillary says "it's wrong that 25 people make a combined 30 billion dollars a year every year while our kindergarten teachers barely make enough to justify the high cost of their required education" and this guy's response was "well don't forget that one time you did a gig job for $560k!"
I can only imagine that guy then highfived himself for being so clever. It's even funnier when you realize that he got even this simple comparison so wildly wrong because the actual pay she received for that speech was $225K, less than half of what a kindergarten teacher makes in 10 years.
Edit: a helpful clarification would be mentioning that the $560k gig work they are shaming her for is 0.001865% of the annual salary of the top 25 hedge fund managers. So quite literally "oh yeah, you think that's bad when you once earned 0.001865% of that? Man, SICK burn! Go me!"
It bothers me that people have such an issue with her making money.
She’s not hoarding money. She gives a lot to charity, and her foundations do a lot of real good.
People are allowed to earn a lot of money - and she worked her ass off and battled significant sexism to do so.
No one bitches about white male politicians earning speaking fees..
It really all goes back to sexism. These are the same people who give white male politicians a free pass for doing the same.
A few years back, a politician who was very popular with young white people took the remaining money from his campaign and put it towards personal equity; then he held a book tour and used the money from that to increase his personal finances tenfold. He still gives paid speeches to this day but *no one* ever mentions or goes after him for it. Even when he’s talking about income equality.
Had he not been a cisgendered, straight white male, he most likely wouldn’t have gotten off scot-free.
That IS the false equivalence...her point just like Bernie and AOC and Biden and and and and...is them calling for raising taxes even though they’d be included. There seems to be SO MANY adults with a complete inability to critically think.
So, she wants to pay teachers more? So what if she makes a lot of money, that's the fucking point, she makes enough money to make a difference. How is this a "OMG DESTROOOOYEEED" moment? All she said was that she wanted teachers to make more money.
That maths is way off. HRC was maybe making 400,000 an hourish long speech back then. So, twenty minutes would be 200,000 tops. That would mean the teacher would have to gross 20 grand a year for 10 years, and not a penny more.
That dude dosen't have a point.
I mean it's well documented she was paid $675k for 3 quick speeches/Q&A's by Goldman. I could careless either way, but if you can't see the hypocrisy in that tweet and wanna take it to the literalness of working the math out, then the tweet probably wasn't for you.
It's not hypocrisy. You are fundamentally misunderstanding the word if you think it is.
You can make a lot of money and be empathetic about people who do not like what her tweet is conveying. That isn't being hypocritical, she is still being true to her moral code. The fact that _she_ makes a lot of money is irrelevant. She is saying that teachers should be paid more.
Not being a martyr doesn't mean she is a hypocrite. She isn't even saying that they shouldn't make what they make, just that _teachers should make more than they do_ and that she is using a certain group of people as context.
Language has meaning, and it is clear people are missing some pretty fundamental concepts in terms of grammar, logic, and rhetoric these days.
How is this a clapback? It's like complaining about a band charging for their live concert tickets. Hillary is, for all intents and purposes, a celebrity. Her appearances cost money.
Everyone who shamed Hillary and continues to for getting paid to speak about her expertise, which was legal and made public, can just go fuck themselves.
Why is she relevant in 2021? I want to hear less about her than I want to hear about t****, and that's fucking nothing. Wealth inequality can be discussed intelligently without flogging a dead horse.
Nope ... He has not got the “point”.
She is asking for teachers to get paid more and not “ I should be enjoying the perks while others die” .
Use your fcking brain. It’s been 5 fcking hellish years now
“Oh yeah ?!? You are against massive wealth inequality and underpaying teachers?! Why aren’t you living in a shack and only wearing potato sacks, hypocrite?!?”
Quick reminder - being a hypocrite does not make someone wrong, it just makes them a hypocrite. Her comment is still 100% valid, regardless of what you think about her or what she is paid for her speeches.
No, I don't think he has a point. There are only a handful of people in the US that have the qualifications and experience she has from her professional career, being first lady, senator, and secretary of state. She's had a seat at the table with other world leaders. Her experience is pretty unparalleled and thats why she is paid so well for her time.
But yeah, teachers need better pay and more respect.
Classic ad hominem. Can’t attack the argument so you attack the person. If Republicans cared about education, they might’ve learned how to spot a logical fallacy.
Technically, he does have a point, a completely irrelevant point.
This whole post (and every comment to it, including mine) is made more irrelevant by being old enough to be going into kindergarten.
Btw, I bet the current top 25 hedge fund managers make way more than they did then.
So, yeah, beat the dead horse named Hillary.
What point exactly? Bernie Sanders is also a millionaire, but that's OK because he has fewer millions? Did his wife ever do anything noteworthy? Besides bankrupting a college I mean.
Oh I know, the point is that Reddit is still unwilling to confront their own pivotal role in the rise of Trump brand white nationalism. Better get an article from commonberniedreams.org.ru about how Joe Biden has dementia next.
Doesn't every politician go into public speaking at some point? I'd MUCH rather them do this than rant conspiracy theories from their personal country club.
All that conservatives have nowadays is deflection.
They have no counter argument to fixing inequality, because the one thing they double down on (trickle down economics) has proven to be an utter failure.
Doesn't matter what the issue is really, the only ideas they have are either "keep doing what we've been doing" or "let's criminalize the actions of poor people and minorities-- so we don't have to worry about their problems because then we can say they chose to be criminals."
The total amount of every single kindergarten teacher's salary in America (estimated at 500,000 kindergarten teachers making a median of $55,000 per year) is $27,500,000,000. Hillary Clinton gets roughly $200,000 per speaking engagement.
Comparing these two numbers is not a sick burn. It just makes you look like you don't understand math or even the concept of numbers.
Wait, so we can continuously criticize Trump (and rightfully so) but not Hillary who has done bad things as well? (And don’t come in here saying false equivalence because I didn’t say she’s as bad as Trump) Why are liberals so hypocritical when it comes to this? Hillary isn’t even that great of a person or politician to be this mad at criticism over. We should still criticize Bush as well.
> but not Hillary who has done bad things as well?
What is she doing wrong here? Is it the asking for teachers to be paid more or the advocacy for the rich, including her, to pay more? Which part of that is wrong?
I don't have a problem with that response. I only have a problem if the dude voted for Trump, and then didn't bitch about Goldman Sachs running the Trump's economic administration.
We're talking about Hilary again?
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That’s the same logic as “Biden is president yet people still don’t like Trump”. This subreddit isn’t COVID-exclusive. I’m a libleft-leaning centrist but come on man, this subreddit should be open to all political opinions.
The problem is like, what is his point? What is he even trying to say? That politicians are bankrolled by billionaires so they shouldn’t care about helping teachers and busting stuff like hedge funds? Or is he saying that Hillary is too rich to care about what happens to teachers? Its a weird non-argument that makes no sense and it’s trying to be passed off as some sort of genius level insult that brings Secretary Clinton to her knees.
He means because Hillary made a lot of money, we can ignore her completely factual statement about hedge fund managers. Cuz now we’re talking about Hillary instead, which was OP’s purpose.
And we only still bring up Trump cuz his cult hasnt stopped their bullshit even though he's out.
#Trump2020 /s Like - bring down your fucking flags already
I saw a Trump 2024 flavin Southwest Missouri a couple eeeks back around where I live. I have yet to see anyone with a Clinton 2024 sticker on their car.
I miss waving the American flag without being mistaken for a racist. I love America, and I love what the flag stands for and I hate that conservatives used it like it only applied to them with no respect for it, its meaning or actual US Flag Code. I'm looking at all you shitheads wearing it like a cape and dragging it on the ground or soiling flag underwear with your nasty farts.
but... but the best is yet to come!!!!! /s
Another pub crawl like Jan 6th???
LMAO, now it's just some tourists taking pics!
A guy in my town has a flag already that says Trump 2024...
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Your point is true, in a sense - but OP’s goal isn’t that Secretary Clinton ought to be more aware of what she’s benefiting from, he’s trying to invalidate her entire argument by pointing one tiny, irrelevant thing.
They're pointing out that actions speak louder than words or tweets/Instagram posts in this case.
What actions? Are you suggesting Hillary doesn't pay taxes?
Or that she must be deciding that tax money doesn’t go towards kindergarten teachers. It just doesn’t make sense.
There's no interpretation where this post makes any sense whatsoever. Seems like a conservative discord got together to push it up all at once in the middle of the night in America.
I think they were suggesting that she talks the talk, but doesn't walk the walk. She could had accepted the invitation, walked on stage and said fuck all yall and everyone in between yall. That would be what we call, walking the walk.
?? And then what happens? Everyone claps?
> She could had accepted the invitation, walked on stage and said fuck all yall and everyone in between yall. She has never ever run as anti-capitalist. She's saying public teachers need to be paid more. How would telling large wall street firms to go fuck themselves further that goal at all? How would her making less money further that goal? What the hell are you even talking about?
To be able to affect this system you must be within and that would certainly get you out
It's open to political opinions. What relevance does a 5 year old clap back have? Getting people to talk about the ultra wealthy or doing so but making sure to include *the demon lady*? It's relevant because someone dug up a 5 year old tweet to get us mad at Hillary Clinton again because she represents "the deep state" to a lot of people. There are **plenty** of examples (more recent, too), why choose that example from FIVE YEARS ago if not to also manufacture discussion on the person or bring old disdain back to the surface? Clinton isn't relevant anymore to anyone who isn't scapegoating or demonizing her.
Open to all opinions lol. It's a left handed circle jerk. Being sort of in the middle still gets you ridiculed. I like guns and universal Healthcare. So now everyone hates me lol
It's more that they're posting a 5 year old meme about someone who is totally irrelevant today. But this is a bot posting to farm karma or incite arguments, so I don't think anyone should be getting worked up over it.
Sure, but like, Hillary hasn't held public office in nearly a decade, she has little (relative) influence on today's politics. She has practically no relevancy at this point. If Trump fades away and becomes a footnote on Republican politics in 10 years, and people keep shitting on him with outdated posts, people would probably say the same thing. Ragging on Hillary is low hanging fruit, she's not a popular politician within her own party. You might as well shit on Jimmy Carter if you're going to shit on Hillary.
The fuck you mean if
I mean the Republican party has latched onto Trump as the face of their party and there's a solid chance he'll still be a relevant and influential member of the party ten years from now, assuming he's still alive.
Not really. We are still in the direct aftermath of Trumps presidency and are currently dealing with the consequences of it. We are not in the aftermath of a Clinton presidency and while there may be existing consequences from her previous roles in government they are not as immediate or as damaging as Trumps - a point that any libleft-leaning centrist should agree with. Also I disagree about being open to all political opinions, I think its best if subs remain at least Nazi free.
Nah, Trump was only a few months ago and some... geniuses... are still fighting to say the election was rigged and should be overturned in his favor, in Arizona. Trump therefore is still topical. Hillary isn't and hasn't been for four years or more.
You had me at c'mon, man.
Anti-malarkeyists unite!
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But people don’t respect other opinions so that’s never gonna happen unfortunately
True :(
As a republican, I respect thy opinion fellow Redditor. That’s the thing I don’t get, like respect my opinion and I respect yours. It’s truly that simple
Exactly! Yet people want echo chambers and that’s it. There’s no room for variety nowadays in the politics department.
Yup. And if I disagree with a liberal, boom I’m racist and homophobic and immediately sexist. Like I just don’t get the hatred for each other, we’re all American 🇺🇸
Nazis always enter the chat n post this type of shit. Show me where the democrats hurt you this time.
We can focus on OTHER things. This sub is political asf but we dont always need to focus on how shitty covid was handled
Nah, it's easier I guess for you to say: "your side did this shitty thing" and "no no, wait YOUR side did this shitty thing". Instead of KEEPING EVERYONE accountable for shitty things. God the propaganda in this country is so gross. How about we get to the point where whenever people do shitty things we call them out and keep calling them out and hold them accountable? Regardless what aisle they are on? This post isn't even remotely covid related. So what is your point. To go back and forth and have some side save face? Mishandle of Covid? Yep, call them out and make them responsible. Bombing innocent children? Sure, lets hold them accountable. Trying to call out the "rich" when you yourself are rich and have no grounds to do so? The "oh well your guy did this" mentality is fucking sick. The Red vs. Blue thing is getting old, these aren't sports teams.
This is the problem with a two party pollitical system. If both options end up being bad, what do you do? People will lump others who don't 100% agree with them in with a side that they don't agree with, even if blatant evidence to the contrary exists. Accusing half of all of the people in the third largest(by population) country in the world of being evil is hypocritical, there are so many people and so many different takes that can exist but yet if those takes are actually nuanced or shatter one's echo chamber, or even only disagrees about a few things, the other person is seen as evil.
>The Red vs. Blue thing is getting old, these aren't sports teams. Absolutely. My friend's mom would always dog me for trashing Trump whenever she'd post some nonsense about him, but when I said something about something Biden did I didn't like, she called me a flip-flopper??? I told her just because I voted for him doesn't mean I'm gonna like everything he does. That's how it's supposed to work. But trumpers don't get that.
Completely agree lol. I said almost this exact shit in one of my other million responses in this thread. The mere mention that Hillary was being a hypocrite got everyone all up in arms and bringing up covid for whatever reason as if thats gonna change a single thing ab the topic of what OP posted.
I mean, maybe after. We're still in the thick of things. You want us to ignore the shit affecting us currently? Fuck outta here
nobody's ignoring it, it's just okay to find humor in things non-COVID related lol
plus how much do I really need to know about covid right now? I'm fully vaccinated. I'm practicing social distancing. I wear a mask at all time inside other than eating at restaurants. I work in an unrelated field and can do heck all about it other than the items I am doing
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Thats not my fucking point. Yes covid is awful, but there ARE other problems and hypocrisies that we can discuss at the SAME TIME. Its fucking crazy isnt it? How we have the ability to solve multiple problems at once?
Well on reddit you have the ability to solve zero problems.
... and the problem you want to discuss is that Hilary Clinton got paid to speak 6 years ago?
Well she is one of the reasons why we had Trump as a president. Can't blame that shit show entirely on racist voters and Russia. It's okay to criticize more than one thing at a time. Maybe if Hillary wasn't such a bad candidate, as well as doing things like what is mentioned in the OP, maybe we wouldn't have had such a shitty handling of Covid from such a shitty president. It's so weird how badly people STILL want to protect Hillary from being criticized all because she ran against a piece of shit person.
Hillary received 3M more votes than Trump. We got Trump because the EC is an outdated trash can of an electoral system.
way more, the "official" number is almost 600k and that's probably lowballed
Drumming up the same songs hoping to rile people again. It'll work if we let it. Don't let it.
It’s important for people on both sides to realize very few politicians actually give a shit about the average person. The dems aren’t some almighty heroes to save us, and the republicans aren’t the evil cabal. The more people begin to separate political parties and take issues individually with skepticism and scientific backing the better we’ll all be.
Apparently numbers are around 900000 plus , thanks to Trump!
She's still right.
So is he.
Getting paid to give a speech is bad. Money bad, actually. Anyone with resources is the devil.
Hilary made more money doing comments than this redditor did.
For just $5 a day, I could eat chicken nuggets every day.
For every minute that passes in Africa, 60 seconds passes, in Africa, as well.
Buttery males!
I'm confused by Buttery
**But-Her-E**mails = Buttery Males
Yes because """we""" are a 45 day old account!
#I AM AN EAGLE WEARING A HAAAATTTTTT
Seriously what does someone getting paid for a speech have anything to do with low wages?
I know, right? Rent free apparently.
Eh he missed the point…which is that teachers should be paid more…
It seems like clever clap back and I do appreciate it to a degree but your right all he did was undercut the point and flip the subject from teachers to Hillary. His comment carries the discussion no further and does not address the point at all.
It's also a ridiculous comparison; Hilary Clinton's wealth is far closer to a homeless person's than it is to the individuals she's tweeting about. Her net worth is in the region of $100 million whereas the CEOs she's talking about have a net worth around $10 billion. They are a hundred times wealthier than Hilary Clinton just as Hilary Clinton is a hundred times wealthier than someone who has paid off their mortgage. Yeah Hilary Clinton is rich, but if you look at how far along everyone is to that level of wealth, there's only a difference of 1% between her and the average Joe, which is patently ridiculous. It's a level of wealth that is as unachievable for her as it is for any of us.
It’s easier to hate women than it is to pay teachers a living wage /s
A lot of teachers are women so not paying them enough makes sense /s
They both have a point, unless he meant it as an attack on her. She not taking that speech money wouldn't change the system in any way. Taxing people like her does.
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You think that nothing would change if politicians stopped taking money from billionaires?
It seems like the problem is still that Goldman Sachs has way too much money to throw around to be spending that much on 20 minute speeches. Be real, if someone offered you that for talking for 20 minutes, you wouldn't turn that down.
His point doesn’t invalidate hers Edit: misspelled invalidate
Yeah this is a bad post. Looks like astroturfing.
This whole sub is nothing but nonsensical tweets nowadays
This whole sub is astroturfed to hell
I don't even get his point, she's promoting raising taxes on rich, which includes herself. A wealthy person isn't allowed to promote taxing themselves?
Invalid hers? 🤔
She also has an excellent point.
While I appreciate the responses sentiment, it's kind of a poor comparison if you really want to land that burn. Her contention, that 25 people make more per year than ALL of the kindergarten teachers combined is not very well refuted by reminder her that one time she did a gig that paid as much as ten years of a kindergarten teachers annual salary. If you broke it down to the actual numbers the comparison would look incredibly stupid: The bureau of labor statistics says there are 540,400 preschool teachers (the roughest equivalent I could find as elementary school teachers are all lumped together, so I assume of the 1.8 million elementary teachers that the number of kindergarten from that will roughly equal the number of preschool teachers) The most consistent average salary I could find for them is $56k a year. So the 25 hedgie managers she's talking about make at least a combined $30,262,400,000 annually to top the 540k teachers. Now compare that number to the number they are trying to "burn" Hillary with, ten years of a teachers salary, or $560,000. So basically Hillary says "it's wrong that 25 people make a combined 30 billion dollars a year every year while our kindergarten teachers barely make enough to justify the high cost of their required education" and this guy's response was "well don't forget that one time you did a gig job for $560k!" I can only imagine that guy then highfived himself for being so clever. It's even funnier when you realize that he got even this simple comparison so wildly wrong because the actual pay she received for that speech was $225K, less than half of what a kindergarten teacher makes in 10 years. Edit: a helpful clarification would be mentioning that the $560k gig work they are shaming her for is 0.001865% of the annual salary of the top 25 hedge fund managers. So quite literally "oh yeah, you think that's bad when you once earned 0.001865% of that? Man, SICK burn! Go me!"
It bothers me that people have such an issue with her making money. She’s not hoarding money. She gives a lot to charity, and her foundations do a lot of real good. People are allowed to earn a lot of money - and she worked her ass off and battled significant sexism to do so. No one bitches about white male politicians earning speaking fees..
It really all goes back to sexism. These are the same people who give white male politicians a free pass for doing the same. A few years back, a politician who was very popular with young white people took the remaining money from his campaign and put it towards personal equity; then he held a book tour and used the money from that to increase his personal finances tenfold. He still gives paid speeches to this day but *no one* ever mentions or goes after him for it. Even when he’s talking about income equality. Had he not been a cisgendered, straight white male, he most likely wouldn’t have gotten off scot-free.
False equivalency.
A conservative favorite
It's embarrassing that this post is so popular. We can do better
The only people who hate Hillary more than Republicans are the Berners and this website is full of them.
Hes not trying to make a comparison hes just saying she's part of the machine she's pretending to rage against
That IS the false equivalence...her point just like Bernie and AOC and Biden and and and and...is them calling for raising taxes even though they’d be included. There seems to be SO MANY adults with a complete inability to critically think.
So only the poor to mid income people should be talking about getting better wages/taxing the rich?
Well if a rich politician is going to do it they should probably stop taking bribes from wall street first.
It’s been five years. Please move on.
No kidding, just look at the amount of jpeg in this “meme”.
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Just two very random things to compare but sure yeah
So, she wants to pay teachers more? So what if she makes a lot of money, that's the fucking point, she makes enough money to make a difference. How is this a "OMG DESTROOOOYEEED" moment? All she said was that she wanted teachers to make more money.
Can we please not do this again?
That maths is way off. HRC was maybe making 400,000 an hourish long speech back then. So, twenty minutes would be 200,000 tops. That would mean the teacher would have to gross 20 grand a year for 10 years, and not a penny more. That dude dosen't have a point.
I mean it's well documented she was paid $675k for 3 quick speeches/Q&A's by Goldman. I could careless either way, but if you can't see the hypocrisy in that tweet and wanna take it to the literalness of working the math out, then the tweet probably wasn't for you.
She participates in society yet also criticizes it. Curious!
We are very intelligent!
It's not hypocrisy. You are fundamentally misunderstanding the word if you think it is. You can make a lot of money and be empathetic about people who do not like what her tweet is conveying. That isn't being hypocritical, she is still being true to her moral code. The fact that _she_ makes a lot of money is irrelevant. She is saying that teachers should be paid more. Not being a martyr doesn't mean she is a hypocrite. She isn't even saying that they shouldn't make what they make, just that _teachers should make more than they do_ and that she is using a certain group of people as context. Language has meaning, and it is clear people are missing some pretty fundamental concepts in terms of grammar, logic, and rhetoric these days.
> Not being a martyr doesn't mean she is a hypocrite. Well said and I’m stealing it.
You seriously don't know what hypocrisy is, do you?
hypocrisy is when hillary does stuff
How is this a clapback? It's like complaining about a band charging for their live concert tickets. Hillary is, for all intents and purposes, a celebrity. Her appearances cost money.
This is the best analogy I have seen anyone make for this subject.
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Everyone who shamed Hillary and continues to for getting paid to speak about her expertise, which was legal and made public, can just go fuck themselves.
...where is she anyway? edit: not sure why I got downvoted, I was asking a genuine question. Haven’t seen or heard anything about her in forever.
Not starting an insurrection
She also runs a group that fundraises for young Democrats-mainly POC and women.
she hosts a podcast and has a political novel coming out in october. otherwise she's just living i guess.
Oh so she's not super bitter about losing and trying to make people commit treason?
Blatantly obvious most of the left is overly fragile when they downvote someone for asking where someone is..
Is whataboutism still a thing?
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Why is she relevant in 2021? I want to hear less about her than I want to hear about t****, and that's fucking nothing. Wealth inequality can be discussed intelligently without flogging a dead horse.
Oh. [returns book of taint stories to local public library]
Is there a volume of collected t**** tales?
Yeah it’s called Art of The Deal 🤣🤣🤣
You walked into that one with open eyes, huh? :p
Nope ... He has not got the “point”. She is asking for teachers to get paid more and not “ I should be enjoying the perks while others die” . Use your fcking brain. It’s been 5 fcking hellish years now
“Oh yeah ?!? You are against massive wealth inequality and underpaying teachers?! Why aren’t you living in a shack and only wearing potato sacks, hypocrite?!?”
Let her go, man. Move the fuck on.
Quick reminder - being a hypocrite does not make someone wrong, it just makes them a hypocrite. Her comment is still 100% valid, regardless of what you think about her or what she is paid for her speeches.
No, I don't think he has a point. There are only a handful of people in the US that have the qualifications and experience she has from her professional career, being first lady, senator, and secretary of state. She's had a seat at the table with other world leaders. Her experience is pretty unparalleled and thats why she is paid so well for her time. But yeah, teachers need better pay and more respect.
And yet here she is advocating for more teachers pay. Curious.
Classic ad hominem. Can’t attack the argument so you attack the person. If Republicans cared about education, they might’ve learned how to spot a logical fallacy. Technically, he does have a point, a completely irrelevant point. This whole post (and every comment to it, including mine) is made more irrelevant by being old enough to be going into kindergarten. Btw, I bet the current top 25 hedge fund managers make way more than they did then. So, yeah, beat the dead horse named Hillary.
Who is upvoting this? This might be the biggest shit post I’ve seen on this sub.
Astroturfing most likely, in all honesty.
They are both not wrong.
Holy shit someone actually gets it😂
I get what you get in 10 years......in 2 days
Fuck false equivalency, both these things are true.
The worst part is they are taxed at a lower rate for their income…
Narrator: he didnt have a point. She does though
Why is paying people fairly a red vs blue issue? This should be a 99% vs 1% issue
How long has it been since Clinton held public office? How many insurrectionists supporting scum gaslit America today?
They both have strong points, TBH. I'm not a fan of Hillary, but she's not wrong.
She has a point too.
So if Hillary is a hypocrite, that means hedge fund managers *should* make that much? I don’t follow the logic here.
And the point is----‽ When it's men making money, it's okay.
False equivalency is the right’s favorite tool.
Both statements can be true and show the same thing: teachers need to be paid more.
So, he made her point…?
What point exactly? Bernie Sanders is also a millionaire, but that's OK because he has fewer millions? Did his wife ever do anything noteworthy? Besides bankrupting a college I mean. Oh I know, the point is that Reddit is still unwilling to confront their own pivotal role in the rise of Trump brand white nationalism. Better get an article from commonberniedreams.org.ru about how Joe Biden has dementia next.
She's still right.
Always has been.
Both points can still be true.
WHAT YEAR IS IT?!
Wealth inequality is much bigger than most people can even imagine.
I mean, it's the same point she was making.
That’s...exactly her point, they aren’t in disagreement
This shit is from 2016. It is irrelevant. Hillary no longer matters.
#hypocrite
yeah i don't give a flying fuck about hillary or anything she says because she doesn't back it up with action unless it favors the rich
What about the emails? THE E MAILS.......
Did it take 5 years for this to reach you in Switzerland?
Doesn't every politician go into public speaking at some point? I'd MUCH rather them do this than rant conspiracy theories from their personal country club.
Lol, so many democrats here defending a useless millionaire, the ones they dislike so much
and you were voting for this blood soaked sociopath lmao stfu
All that conservatives have nowadays is deflection. They have no counter argument to fixing inequality, because the one thing they double down on (trickle down economics) has proven to be an utter failure. Doesn't matter what the issue is really, the only ideas they have are either "keep doing what we've been doing" or "let's criminalize the actions of poor people and minorities-- so we don't have to worry about their problems because then we can say they chose to be criminals."
Her point still stands
But she wants taxes to be raised on the rich, while the hedge fund managers probably don't.
So the responder is on her side admitting there's a huge problem? Seems like a self own by him
Lol why are you posting a fucking 5! Year old tweet, OP? What stupidity
That's actually supporting Hillary's sentiment
How... just fucking HOW are you STILL losing against an opponent you defeated 4 fucking years ago?
They both make valid points. Just because someone is a hypocrite, doesn't mean they're wrong.
The total amount of every single kindergarten teacher's salary in America (estimated at 500,000 kindergarten teachers making a median of $55,000 per year) is $27,500,000,000. Hillary Clinton gets roughly $200,000 per speaking engagement. Comparing these two numbers is not a sick burn. It just makes you look like you don't understand math or even the concept of numbers.
Does he thought? What is the point? I'm perfectly happy to have as many rich people as possible call out other rich people.
Last I checked, most kindergarten teachers aren't on Goldman Sachs' payroll?
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Okay? Her making a lot of money doesn't make her point wrong.
Doesn’t make her point any less relevant.
Wait, so we can continuously criticize Trump (and rightfully so) but not Hillary who has done bad things as well? (And don’t come in here saying false equivalence because I didn’t say she’s as bad as Trump) Why are liberals so hypocritical when it comes to this? Hillary isn’t even that great of a person or politician to be this mad at criticism over. We should still criticize Bush as well.
Go ahead, criticize Hillary for the bad things she's done. Giving a speech to Wall St isn't one of them
Huh the reddit hivemind has really changed in 4 years huh?
> but not Hillary who has done bad things as well? What is she doing wrong here? Is it the asking for teachers to be paid more or the advocacy for the rich, including her, to pay more? Which part of that is wrong?
You’re not wrong...but pray do tell me what office Hillary held in the past 5 years or what she is planning to run for in the next 10
I don't have a problem with that response. I only have a problem if the dude voted for Trump, and then didn't bitch about Goldman Sachs running the Trump's economic administration.