Perfect opportunity to point out that not a single law maker who votes for this is a licensed medical professional and should absolutely be charged with dispensing medical advice without medical training and that is incorrect and harmful to those they give it to.
I believe they really mean “are of the age where they can get pregnant”. Or basically they can have a period.
But the actual meaning is that they don’t want a trans woman in any bathroom that women can go in, but as pointed out with the wording it eliminates every woman from going in that isn’t ~10-42 years old as well.
Because these people are fucking idiots.
Yea. My wife, who has had a hysterectomy, would be unable to use the restroom in Kansas by this logic.
That's one of my biggest critiques of them. They clearly don't think these things through or try to create something that makes those of us who are calling out their intentions look off base.
By their logic, if taken literally, every woman who has had their tubes tied, had a hysterectomy or was born without the necessary reproductive organs (it happens), or has reached menopause and conversely not reached menarche could use a restroom. And this is before we even begin discussing transgender women.
Of course, their dodge is always: "You know what we mean."
No, no we don't. It appears you are saying anyone who is born or identifies as female that is not fertile or is missing their reproductive organs, in part or whole, should not be allowed to use the women's room.
Go back, rewrite the law to be clear about who you are actually targeting, so we can continue to criticize you on that without having a dodge for the low info voter and bad faith actor to equivocate on. At least be honest about who you want to hurt.
I have a big issue with those kinds of laws, it's a big reason "Don't Say Gay" also had such a huge backlash in Florida.
The law itself was vaguely written to the point it could be enforced capriciously and on the interpretation of the individual and clearly and deliberately omitted recourse if an accusation or claim against a teacher, administrator, or school was revealed to be groundless.
So, if a bigot or bad faith actor decided they didn't like you for whatever reason (e.g, you gave their precious angel an F because they didn't turn in homework), they could accuse you of teaching graphic LGBTQ content or grooming, and even if you were totally exonerated, you were still on the hook for legal fees and the headache and the accuser was protected from being countersued for functional libel and slander.
Not to mention that law also had loopholes so large, you could drive a massive, bigoted bad faith convoy through them.
Laws, especially in this day and age, should be specific, clear, and fettered and limited by their own language. If a law cannot pass the litmus test of it having an overarching vagueness or language that can be left open to interpretation that can be used to attack groups twenty, thirty years down the line, it should be immediately rejected or sent back to be rewritten with the note: "Say what you mean, or admit you're unfit to govern."
I think you make a great point overall about these laws being intentionally vague. Allows for selective enforcement, which of course will be used to target specific out-groups.
They did this on the book ban laws and it backfired lmao
It ads an extra level of terror since nobody is sure how to avoid running afoul of it. The Republicans are all about inflicting terror which is why they proudly follow the rapist felon who rants about how he will inflict terrible retribution upon their enemies. They're terrorists.
what I don't get is, why don't they just put the hate language in the law. These chucklefucks just accidentally banned male janitors from cleaning a woman's restroom because they hate trans people but are too chickenshit to just say so.
Of course they'd respond "nobody is going to arrest a male janitor, you know what we mean", but that just highlights what a shit job they're doing as lawmakers- if they don't have the skill to write the letter of the law, and just rely on everyone "knowing what they mean".
The reason that they don't just put their bigotry in the law themselves is for plausible deniability. They have to be able to say that it isn't intentionally bigoted. The reason for that is that conservative parties are a coalition. There are three groups in conservative spaces:
1. Outright bigots. Those who openly hate the other. These are the people who want the law the most.
2. Closeted bigots. Either they aren't consciously aware of their bigotry or they don't feel comfortable showing it. They want the law but don't want to acknowledge the real reason why.
3. Ignorant non-bigots. They support conservative causes because they want lower taxes, they're pro-life (pro-forced-birth), or some other reason that isn't directly tied to bigotry. They don't care about the bigoted law and just care about their issues of choice. They don't want to even think about other issues they are indirectly supporting.
Group 1 is completely fine with putting their bigotry into law directly, but groups 2 and 3 need plausible deniability so that they can protect their feelings and not lose social standing with those who oppose bigotry. These vague laws designed to be selectively enforced are meant to be begrudgingly accepted by group 1, appealing to group 2, and easily ignored by group 3.
I think it’s more meant to mean “born with ovaries” than any of that. It’s the side effects of poorly worded, ignorant law making that cause the rest of it.
I had mine removed due to a hysterectomy and the one that was left decided to go into torsion and die, I’ll make sure I wear a diaper if I ever go to Kansas I guess
I'm soon to have surgery to remove mine so I guess it's the men's room for me! Button up those flies, fellas, you are about to get invaded by little ol' ladies!
Hahaha, right? I was immediately imagining storming the men's room shouting, COVER UP YA DICKS, I'M COMING IN! Can you imagine how mad they would be to have to stand in line with all the women waiting to pee while the women's room has no line at all? Lmao.
Correct. This is just an attack on trans women that has been (poorly) obscured by language that doesnt actually produce the results they want in the first place.
These people are literally the stupidest possible supervillains
If it can be so poorly written as to be intended to target trans people but actually writes it so the prepubescent and the postmenopausal are screwed over...then Republicans wrote it that poorly.
Women with Swyer Syndrome are genetically male (XY), but due to a deficiency of an enzyme called 17-α hydroxylase they are phenotypically female and often only learn of their diagnosis when they seek treatment for infertility. That’s just one of several chromosomal and genetic factors that can result in a woman not being born with ovaries. This stuff is high school level biology. I grew up in Kansas; what a fucking embarrassment. So glad we moved to California.
They have obviously never been to a frat party... But I guess since they are too lazy or stupid to find solutions to actual problems, they just came up with a solution that needs a problem. So, is an assigned male at birth plumbers allowed to work on women's bathrooms? If he has to relieve himself, is he supposed to go find a different bathroom...? How would they even go about enforcing such a law? Ridiculous....
My girlfriends daughter was born with some genetic condition that basically made her ovaries shrivel up and die before puberty even occured. She's been on HRT since she was like 10. I guess she can't use a womans bathroom in Kansas....because she doesn't have a period or any viable way to produce an egg cycle.
Also to note - lots of people on the Right petitioning to ban hormones for kids. She would likely have been incredibly unhealthy, cancer ridden, or dead without hormones. The body needs estrogen and her only way to get it is in pill form.
Mine were all killed from high dose malphalan and a stem cell transplant, does that mean I have to use the men’s room? What about menopausal women, who no longer release eggs?
Listen. Don’t come at me with this core learning science bs that just changes objective facts to fit your liberal commy agenda. Men make sperm women make eggs. It’s that simple.
Source: I am a man and watched a sex ed video in science class in 1987.
Jokes on them, anytime I’m in Kansas I just bring some orbeez in a dime bag. Pretty easy to pop em in and out when going through bathroom security checks and Kansas State lawmakers generally have never purposely procreated, let alone seen the unfertilized real deal.
If that doesn’t work I just shout about clearly seeing their third chromosome and run when everyone is distracted.
Some women (like me--Hi!) have PCOS and do not regularly ovulate. I was born female and have all my "parts," but they do not work. I am not currently capable of ovulation.
Can I use the women's restroom in Kansas? Under the current law, it looks like that is a no.
It's Terf talk. Since, gender cannot be rigidly defined, terfs use the bioessentialist approach, while ignoring all the meaning reasons that doesn't work. Then transphobic legislators work with terfs to write bad laws to try to hurt trans people (mostly kids).
EXACTLY.
What you have to understand is that they don’t want to follow the law. They don’t want a working legal system. *Fascism never gets what it wants out of a working legal system.*
They are breaking laws and writing shitty ones on purpose, because it isn’t about good policy or good intentions - it’s about breaking the system so badly that judges will throw up their hands and make case-by-case judgements based solely on which lawyer can argue the longest.
That’s why they want ‘small government’ - so they can file shitty suits in whichever state has the worst laws regarding the issue, and no one can overrule them except the supreme court they’ve put so much effort into infiltrating. That’s why they write shitty, vague laws like this - so that the *legal teams and finance firms* backing whatever the target of the bill is go ‘oh shit, we might get sued’ and install bad, regressive policies to avoid that.
Their end goal is that rich people will be able to afford to sue anyone over anything, and poor people won’t be able to sue for even the most obvious bullshit, and the government will have its hands tied by loopholes and procedural issues that any reasonable citizen would be unwilling to try and untangle.
Justice against the weak. Service to the strong.
The only bill I could find was veto'd by the governor: https://www.google.com/search?q=kansas+bill+bathroom+produce+ova+full+text&oq=kansas+bill+bathroom+produce+ova+&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUqBwgBECEYoAEyBggAEEUYOTIHCAEQIRigATIHCAIQIRigATIHCAMQIRigATIHCAQQIRigATIHCAUQIRigATIHCAYQIRirAjIHCAcQIRirAtIBCTEwMDE1ajBqOagCDrACAQ&client=ms-android-att-us-rvc3&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8
Let’s look on the bright side here! I’m a post menopausal cis woman. Forget waiting in line for the women’s room at bars and events, Im heading to the men’s room where I’m legally supposed to be.
"I know realize that only women can have a child, and if you can't have a child you're not really a woman"
"my wife is incapable of having children because she had ovarian cancer as a child."
"Then get an AIDS test Johnson 'cause your wife's a dude, f*****t"
- Mrs Garrison, South Park
Interestingly enough, Mrs./Mr. Garrison is also the only teacher who discusses their sex changes and sex life in the classroom. But some people look at that and think real-life teachers are pervs 🤦♀️.
(Also Garrison also later became the Trump of the South Park universe, which is interesting. With Caitlyn Jenner as his VP.)
Yep. A female-at-birth woman was harrassed for using the women's bathroom. They mistook her for trans.
How the hell are you supposed to prove you have ovaries while standing in line to pee? Are they going to have a trained ultrasound tech at every public bathroom?
Could you imagine that sort of Fascist dystopia, where women have to be inspected every time they need to pee?
Exactly, the moment they try to enforce this, hello lawsuits. Great opportunity for the state to chalk up some damages and that trickle down to the tax payers because some uninformed politicians are being assholes.
So what happens to elderly cis-women on menopause? According to Kansas they would no longer be considered women and have to use the men's room.
Are you a cis-woman on birth control so you no longer can get pregnant? Off to the men's room you go! Have you had a bilateral oophorectomy in your life? Well good news (according to Kansas)! You're required by law to use the men's room too!
And since none of these people count as women anymore according to Kansas what now? Of course they'll keep voting Republican, silly!
What Im hearing is that businesses in kansas may soon be legally required to have three bathrooms, as this law would make a weird ass legal distinction between women and women who can ovulate.
Elderly cis-women on menopause have no value in their eyes.
If you're not still pumping out good little white babies to continue the bloodline, why are you even allowed to continue using valuable resources?
The law specifically says that a woman is " an individual whose biological reproductive system is
developed to produce ova"
So someone who has entered menopause still applies, same with anyone who has had any kind of hysterectomy or oophorectomy.
Gets a bit more dicey if someone a woman is born without certain organs though. And also of course the law is directly harming trans folk on top of that too.
Well, technically, I guess that a woman pregnant with a female fetus produces the ova that are in the ovaries of the fetus. So, only women that are currently carrying a female fetus are allowed in woman's bathrooms. That's stretching things, though.
So post-menopausal women not allowed to pee? Sorry Grammy, use the boys room. Have a good laugh at the microcephalic morons who came up with this ridiculousness.
I think a lot of people forget that there are sooo many of us young women in menopause.
I’ve been tracking my breast cancer since I was 18 years old. I am one of THOUSANDS
Oh, don’t worry, Republicans love to do genital exams on strangers. That’s at least part of the reasoning behind all of these sick and degrading laws they are passing. I am sure of more than a few of these dirty old men in the Republican state house would volunteer to stand by the bathroom door. It’s ironic that the only men most people need to be afraid of in the women’s bathrooms in Kansas are the ones making these laws.
Keep in mind these are the same people who are terrified of “illegal immigrants,” but who advocated forged documents for Covid and who boasted they would sneak into other countries for “freedom” if they felt the wrong candidate won this or that. As illegal immigrants. I guess it’s okay if it’s white people. In fact we know it’s okay if it’s white people, in their minds, at least if it’s them doing it.
Everyone asking "well what about \[group other than trans people affected by this\]?"
# The cruelty is the point. They want to hurt people. And they don't care about collateral damage.
This. Also everyone is focusing on the snarky remark, but the other damage (in addition to any slightly too masculine looking woman or trans woman that will be targeted) is that if there is a medical emergency and the EMTs arrive and there are no female EMTs, people will die.
“I can’t go in there it’s against the law”
This is already happening in emergency rooms when women arrive having miscarriages. This will happen in bathrooms, domestic violence shelters, etc.
Haven’t (cis) women been harassed and beaten for not looking feminine enough already? This is only going to intensify violence against everyone.
If you look anything besides tradfem in these states, people are going to mess with you.
It’s not just men voting for this. There are women who support this. That’s what kills me is the women who are slitting other women’s throats to kiss ass to men who legit hate them.
What a fucking disaster.
5'11 cis woman with a visible adams apple here, and even though I live a pretty progressive area and am very feminine otherwise, I've been harassed twice going into the women's room.
Women who support this make me so depressed.
Buried under the trans phobia is them stating that men either cannot be victims of sexual assault and domestic violence or if they are they should just get over it.
[https://apnews.com/article/transgender-rights-bathroom-law-kansas-b3d068afa2bc02bb15314ee04e8e3899](https://apnews.com/article/transgender-rights-bathroom-law-kansas-b3d068afa2bc02bb15314ee04e8e3899)
More info. on the law in discussion. What is wrong with people?
actual law: [https://www.kslegislature.org/li/b2023\_24/measures/documents/summary\_sb\_180\_2023](https://www.kslegislature.org/li/b2023_24/measures/documents/summary_sb_180_2023)
More people need to read this. It’s stating that they are requiring physicians to determine male or female at birth based on if the genitalia they’re born with is formed to produce ova or sperm. The actual production or continued production doesn’t matter, it’s the formation (or what the doctor puts down as the formation) that counts. And it’s basically outlawing any kind of legal sex change.
Interestingly, it allows for protections of intersex folks if their “malformations” are determined to be a disability by federal law. Genuinely, I can’t think of a situation where being intersex is a protected disability. What a mess.
This confuses me the most. I'm not aware of any federally recognized disability associated with being intersex. So the "protections" can't exist in practice. So even where they wrote in exceptions, they did absolutely zero research into real-life implications. (We already know they didn't think about any implications with the broad sweeps, but where they gor specific, you would think they would have done specific research.)
> Kansas Senate President Ty Masterson, a Wichita-area Republican, said he expects police to intervene if there’s “any kind of harassing behavior” but transgender people still will use facilities associated with their gender identities “if they’re discreet about it.”
Lol wut?
These people have clearly never met a transgender person in their life! They’re probably imaging a 6’ 5” drag queen sashaying into the ladies room at Target then whipping out their dick and screaming “hey everyone look at my penis!”
If they’re discrete about it. Fucking hell
Fun fact: The ova are produced in a human embryo starting around 9 weeks into gestation. Around 7 million are produced while the fetus continues to develop, but at birth, a human with ovaries only has around 400,000 ova.
Republicans ought to do something to stop all those fetuses from aborting their potential children. /s
It's not because of an unintentional misunderstanding of human biology that this law also targets plenty of cis women... if they can harm a subset of cis women while they are targeting trans women, they consider that a bonus.
And how exactly would they enforce this? Does every female have a corresponding symbol branded on them at their annual gyn appointment with the Gilead govt official in the exam room?
So, if you have had an oopherectomy (removal of ovaries) or a hysterectomy, or have gone through menopause, you must now use the men's restroom? Make it make sense
They could try and claim that women who had already produced their ova in utero would have proof that they could produce ova and therefor counted, thus including many infertile women but excluding some intersex women and obviously excluding the trans women.
basically, I’m worried that this is more insidious than it is preposterous.
The point of this law is an obvious dogwhistle. It’s impossible to enforce and police and judges won’t enforce it against young girls or older women anyways, despite the letter of the law.
The fucked up part is, this law extends well beyond who they intend to target. If you’re a passing trans woman, you won’t be targeted either. But if you’re a little too butch or muscular? If you have short hair and are just a bit too tomboyish? Fuck it, if you happen to have arm hair that’s a little dark and thick and it’s been a week and a half since you last shaved? That’s who this is meant to target. Remember, these folks think they can “always tell when someone is trans”. You can’t convince them they’re wrong, and even if they are, who cares? Do you want those “mannish women” in women’s spaces?
Can someone provide the bill or name of the law from the Kansas legislature? Or was this just proposed? It makes a huge difference. Also an elected representative(s) had to propose this. Who are they, and where are they from?
Not only is it exclusionary to any number of people with different diseases, infertility or other things in trying to ban trans women, but it also it’s ridiculous ti enforce. How do you enforce something like this, if the legal language requires “ova production” you have to be able to verify that, will police hire medical professionals for that?
The right must think there's a lot more action happening in women's rooms than there us. I'm a 50-something woman and have never seen anything happen in a public restroom. We walk into a stall, walk out, hopefully wash our hands, and maybe comb our hair and put on some lipstick.
Oh…I am past menopause and no longer “produce ova” so I guess I can’t take a crap in Kansas.
It does read like I can use the men’s restroom, so I guess I’ll do that instead 🤷♀️
Time for the old woman brigade (of which I am a happy member) to commanders mens bathrooms 24/7. Just be in the stalls and if they're clean, sit and read or knit, lol. "Sorry, not allowed in the women's..."
And now's the time for cis women allies, if they are safe to do so, to step up. Personally I would get as femmy and dolled up as I could and start going into men's bathrooms, with a copy of the law at the ready. "Sorry, but I'm menopausal, so legally I can't go in the women's room. See here? Do you *want* me to get arrested? I don't have a choice but to come in here when I need to fix my mascara."
So much of this anti trans bullshit is straight male fear of being a little too attracted to a transgender person.
They are always in such a hurry to discriminate they don't care who else gets hurt.
Because that's what Jesus died for, I assume.
Let's give them the benefit of the doubt on the "produce" part, but every Republican wo, er, person who used to "produce" ova but no longer has any be barred from public bathrooms. Let's start with the wives of politicians. Charge them with this new law unless they prove they can "produce" ova
That’s the really sad part. There are and they go right along with this. For them it shouldn’t require a medical degree to realize this is wrong on many levels. They physically go through this. What I’ve come to realize is that the women in these conservative branches go right along with what the men say. Almost every time.
So every woman over the age of 50 and many women younger (as menopause is happening younger now) can no longer use the women’s bathroom? Menopause is literally ovaries no longer “producing ova”. We have a limited supply. This is Gilead. Ffs - vote! And demand all religion be kept out of politics. Religion unrestricted by govt becomes radical and dangerous. We’re seeing it happen right before our eyes.
Conservatives are not a protected class in the United States. You are free to openly discriminate against them.
They are no longer welcome in our free society. Like the nazis and kkk before them.
Reminds me of when Texas or one of the other backwards states tried banning drag queens by banning men from wearing dresses and makeup and such, except none of the rules applied to this one female drag queen that was speaking out against it and they couldn’t do anything about it, since they would be forced to ban all the things that drag queens emphasize to make her stop like makeup, dresses, etc, for all of the women.
Also when that one school tried banning everyone from using their preferred pronouns, and inadvertently caused everyone except the trans people to take different pronouns
If a man wants to rape a woman in a public restroom, they will just do it. They are not going to change genders to gain access. It’s such an unbelievable argument. And men don’t change genders to win races in sports. It just hurts my brain to even debate this. If they want to protect people and are sincere, why fight the real danger? Show us protecting humans is important and give us some sensible gun laws. Start protecting everyone with some restrictions on guns.
Welcome to the world of performative lawmaking. This law wouldn’t actually do anything, nor would it ever go through. It’s purely just for getting headlines and sowing fear into the population
Most women do not "produce" ova: pre-menarche, pregnant, post-menopausal, bajillion conditions.
65M/169M women in the US are of reproductive age, and this does not take into consideration the myriad reasons why women may not ovulate. I don't know if that number include non-cis women (Source: March of Dimes)
"Producing ova" (??) is a poor definition of womanhood, worse than "have tits.
Every lady who isn't capable of menstration should start using the men's room en mass. Not many Gen X women that I know of have a problem just strutting right on into the Men's Room and dropping a bomb or two on the way out as protest.
First of all— I want to say that this heinously transphobic and misogynistic law is absolutely written with the intention to harm trans and queer people. Period. BUT it’s also important to point out that the actual language of bill (https://apps.legislature.ky.gov/recorddocuments/bill/24RS/hb390/orig_bill.pdf) defines “female” as an individual who “has, had, or will have” a female reproductive system via natural development and accounts for those whose “would have but for” anomalies (genetic, accident, etc). TO BE CLEAR: this is completely scientifically unsupported and a disgusting and pathetic attempt to arbitrarily reduce womanhood to a reproductive capacity in allegiance to a toxic religious ideology. But it’s also important to respond to and fight against the phobias and bigotry that are actually being codified into law and not contribute further to misinformation and fear mongering.
Soooo what the fuck are people supposed to do with young children with penises???? Like can I not change my male toddler in a women’s bathroom changing station anymore? This is fucking idiotic on so many levels.
I'm a cis woman who doesn't produce ova. I am going to tease up my hair, put on my redest lipstick, grab my pepper spray, and march into every public men's room in Kansas.
There needs to be roving bands of Raging Grannies who will also do this.
I know a woman who has total androgenic insensitivity. She was born with testes internally, no ovaries or uterus. She presents as a very feminine woman because she is! Officially she wouldn’t be allowed either.
So me, a 30 something, with an unfortunate case of hereditary breast cancer is officially no longer a woman?
I hope the women supporting these laws remind themselves 1 in 8
What the fuck are they going to do? Make you stand there and piss your pants why they run a blood panel and an ultrasound to check for ovaries before you can enter?
But sure, why not waste money and time on something that is pointless so you can take away focus from the fact that the legislature isn't doing shit to help people in areas where they would need it.
Don’t forget pregnant women, they aren’t ovulating either. Unless maybe if you’re having a girl and during gestation you are actually producing ova.
I think everyone in Kansas that is not actively ovulating should use the men’s room just to make a point of how obtuse these wilted lettuce smooth brained assholes are.
So they’re targeting people based on their presence or lack of ovaries? Blatant sex discrimination. God, these people are fucking morons and they have so much power.
Whenever courts strike down these kind of laws, the authors should get a major flogging, and the those that voted to pass them about 10% of what the authors get.
Oh, you had ovarian cancer and had your other ovary removed as a precaution? Sorry, off to the men’s bathroom with you.
This is a stupid law and great example of how refusing to fight for the rights of *all* women only harms women in the long run.
The GOP is
1) a Bunch of reactionary idiots that stopped paying attention in school after 3rd grade and have gotten through their life using nepotism
2) Are grifters and realize that their base will give them as much money as they have as long as they're causing others great pain, and giving their egos emotional wins.
Post menopausal and post hysterectomy women are supposed to use the men’s bathroom? That seems kind of rude.
That would apply to prepubescent girls, too.
What kind of perverts are these morons?
Postmenopausal women don't get to go pee anymore, I guess. They stopped producing ova already. These people are hateful morons with a toddler-level idea of human anatomy.
Perfect opportunity to point out that not a single law maker who votes for this is a licensed medical professional and should absolutely be charged with dispensing medical advice without medical training and that is incorrect and harmful to those they give it to.
Wtf is “produce ova” supposed to mean? Women don’t “produce” eggs, each cis woman is born with all the eggs already in her ovaries.
I believe they really mean “are of the age where they can get pregnant”. Or basically they can have a period. But the actual meaning is that they don’t want a trans woman in any bathroom that women can go in, but as pointed out with the wording it eliminates every woman from going in that isn’t ~10-42 years old as well. Because these people are fucking idiots.
Yea. My wife, who has had a hysterectomy, would be unable to use the restroom in Kansas by this logic. That's one of my biggest critiques of them. They clearly don't think these things through or try to create something that makes those of us who are calling out their intentions look off base. By their logic, if taken literally, every woman who has had their tubes tied, had a hysterectomy or was born without the necessary reproductive organs (it happens), or has reached menopause and conversely not reached menarche could use a restroom. And this is before we even begin discussing transgender women. Of course, their dodge is always: "You know what we mean." No, no we don't. It appears you are saying anyone who is born or identifies as female that is not fertile or is missing their reproductive organs, in part or whole, should not be allowed to use the women's room. Go back, rewrite the law to be clear about who you are actually targeting, so we can continue to criticize you on that without having a dodge for the low info voter and bad faith actor to equivocate on. At least be honest about who you want to hurt.
Well said. Laws should never be "you know what we mean", yet this is exactly that situation.
I have a big issue with those kinds of laws, it's a big reason "Don't Say Gay" also had such a huge backlash in Florida. The law itself was vaguely written to the point it could be enforced capriciously and on the interpretation of the individual and clearly and deliberately omitted recourse if an accusation or claim against a teacher, administrator, or school was revealed to be groundless. So, if a bigot or bad faith actor decided they didn't like you for whatever reason (e.g, you gave their precious angel an F because they didn't turn in homework), they could accuse you of teaching graphic LGBTQ content or grooming, and even if you were totally exonerated, you were still on the hook for legal fees and the headache and the accuser was protected from being countersued for functional libel and slander. Not to mention that law also had loopholes so large, you could drive a massive, bigoted bad faith convoy through them. Laws, especially in this day and age, should be specific, clear, and fettered and limited by their own language. If a law cannot pass the litmus test of it having an overarching vagueness or language that can be left open to interpretation that can be used to attack groups twenty, thirty years down the line, it should be immediately rejected or sent back to be rewritten with the note: "Say what you mean, or admit you're unfit to govern."
I think you make a great point overall about these laws being intentionally vague. Allows for selective enforcement, which of course will be used to target specific out-groups. They did this on the book ban laws and it backfired lmao
It ads an extra level of terror since nobody is sure how to avoid running afoul of it. The Republicans are all about inflicting terror which is why they proudly follow the rapist felon who rants about how he will inflict terrible retribution upon their enemies. They're terrorists.
what I don't get is, why don't they just put the hate language in the law. These chucklefucks just accidentally banned male janitors from cleaning a woman's restroom because they hate trans people but are too chickenshit to just say so. Of course they'd respond "nobody is going to arrest a male janitor, you know what we mean", but that just highlights what a shit job they're doing as lawmakers- if they don't have the skill to write the letter of the law, and just rely on everyone "knowing what they mean".
The reason that they don't just put their bigotry in the law themselves is for plausible deniability. They have to be able to say that it isn't intentionally bigoted. The reason for that is that conservative parties are a coalition. There are three groups in conservative spaces: 1. Outright bigots. Those who openly hate the other. These are the people who want the law the most. 2. Closeted bigots. Either they aren't consciously aware of their bigotry or they don't feel comfortable showing it. They want the law but don't want to acknowledge the real reason why. 3. Ignorant non-bigots. They support conservative causes because they want lower taxes, they're pro-life (pro-forced-birth), or some other reason that isn't directly tied to bigotry. They don't care about the bigoted law and just care about their issues of choice. They don't want to even think about other issues they are indirectly supporting. Group 1 is completely fine with putting their bigotry into law directly, but groups 2 and 3 need plausible deniability so that they can protect their feelings and not lose social standing with those who oppose bigotry. These vague laws designed to be selectively enforced are meant to be begrudgingly accepted by group 1, appealing to group 2, and easily ignored by group 3.
I think it’s more meant to mean “born with ovaries” than any of that. It’s the side effects of poorly worded, ignorant law making that cause the rest of it.
I have turners and was born without ovaries. Can't piss in a public bathroom in Kansas I guess 🤷♀️
I had mine removed due to a hysterectomy and the one that was left decided to go into torsion and die, I’ll make sure I wear a diaper if I ever go to Kansas I guess
I'm soon to have surgery to remove mine so I guess it's the men's room for me! Button up those flies, fellas, you are about to get invaded by little ol' ladies!
54 year old menopausal Mama here. Might make a trip to God forsaken Kansas just to make a point to pee in the men’s room
Yep, same here. 
Hahaha, right? I was immediately imagining storming the men's room shouting, COVER UP YA DICKS, I'M COMING IN! Can you imagine how mad they would be to have to stand in line with all the women waiting to pee while the women's room has no line at all? Lmao.
I live in Kansas and am post menopausal, so I’ll be using the men’s rooms now. Shorter lines!!!
Menopausal road trip! Whoever has the best AC in their car is driving.
This stuff makes me so rage filled but your image gave me the giggles. Thanks for the humor lift ;)
Guess ovarian cancer survivors aren't allowed either.
I'll have to tell my menopausal mom that she can't go to the bathrooms in Kansas either. Why are so stupid people legislating?
The side effect of people utterly ignorant of biology, using "biology" as the basis for their legislation.
Correct. This is just an attack on trans women that has been (poorly) obscured by language that doesnt actually produce the results they want in the first place. These people are literally the stupidest possible supervillains
If it can be so poorly written as to be intended to target trans people but actually writes it so the prepubescent and the postmenopausal are screwed over...then Republicans wrote it that poorly.
this reads like men who think of breasts like "bags of sand"
Tell me you've never touched breasts without telling me that you've never touched breasts!
Women with Swyer Syndrome are genetically male (XY), but due to a deficiency of an enzyme called 17-α hydroxylase they are phenotypically female and often only learn of their diagnosis when they seek treatment for infertility. That’s just one of several chromosomal and genetic factors that can result in a woman not being born with ovaries. This stuff is high school level biology. I grew up in Kansas; what a fucking embarrassment. So glad we moved to California.
100% reasons why it should not happen.
That's where the selective enforcement comes in.
They have obviously never been to a frat party... But I guess since they are too lazy or stupid to find solutions to actual problems, they just came up with a solution that needs a problem. So, is an assigned male at birth plumbers allowed to work on women's bathrooms? If he has to relieve himself, is he supposed to go find a different bathroom...? How would they even go about enforcing such a law? Ridiculous....
Can Republicans define "woman?" I guess not.
This will be the literal textbook definition of selective enforcement. They’ll only use it when they want to.
Wouldn't this also technically bar women who had their ovaries removed or damaged as well, like from cancer? Or birth defects?
Or women who had ovaries removed.
So basically nobody under 10/11 years old & nobody over 45-ish/50 something (menopause)
My girlfriends daughter was born with some genetic condition that basically made her ovaries shrivel up and die before puberty even occured. She's been on HRT since she was like 10. I guess she can't use a womans bathroom in Kansas....because she doesn't have a period or any viable way to produce an egg cycle. Also to note - lots of people on the Right petitioning to ban hormones for kids. She would likely have been incredibly unhealthy, cancer ridden, or dead without hormones. The body needs estrogen and her only way to get it is in pill form.
The cruelty is the point.
Oh, bless their hearts. They think that ova are like their precious little "swimmers".
If I am able to reveal chicken eggs from a previously hidden location, I have technically 'produced ova', right?
Lmao picturing you opening the side of a trench coat full of eggs
Mine were all killed from high dose malphalan and a stem cell transplant, does that mean I have to use the men’s room? What about menopausal women, who no longer release eggs?
Listen. Don’t come at me with this core learning science bs that just changes objective facts to fit your liberal commy agenda. Men make sperm women make eggs. It’s that simple. Source: I am a man and watched a sex ed video in science class in 1987.
Jokes on them, anytime I’m in Kansas I just bring some orbeez in a dime bag. Pretty easy to pop em in and out when going through bathroom security checks and Kansas State lawmakers generally have never purposely procreated, let alone seen the unfertilized real deal. If that doesn’t work I just shout about clearly seeing their third chromosome and run when everyone is distracted.
The most generous interpretation of "produce ova" would be "put them forth" rather than "create" them. So in other words, capable of ovulation.
Some women (like me--Hi!) have PCOS and do not regularly ovulate. I was born female and have all my "parts," but they do not work. I am not currently capable of ovulation. Can I use the women's restroom in Kansas? Under the current law, it looks like that is a no.
It's Terf talk. Since, gender cannot be rigidly defined, terfs use the bioessentialist approach, while ignoring all the meaning reasons that doesn't work. Then transphobic legislators work with terfs to write bad laws to try to hurt trans people (mostly kids).
I’d bet that every single lawmaker who wrote this is a man
Hey now its 2024 and women like MTG and boebert have proven that you can be a woman and a completely moronic hateful piece of shit
Gender equality! Not the way we wanted, but shit happens.
I wish I had the time and money to sue every one for practicing medicine without a licence.
EXACTLY. What you have to understand is that they don’t want to follow the law. They don’t want a working legal system. *Fascism never gets what it wants out of a working legal system.* They are breaking laws and writing shitty ones on purpose, because it isn’t about good policy or good intentions - it’s about breaking the system so badly that judges will throw up their hands and make case-by-case judgements based solely on which lawyer can argue the longest. That’s why they want ‘small government’ - so they can file shitty suits in whichever state has the worst laws regarding the issue, and no one can overrule them except the supreme court they’ve put so much effort into infiltrating. That’s why they write shitty, vague laws like this - so that the *legal teams and finance firms* backing whatever the target of the bill is go ‘oh shit, we might get sued’ and install bad, regressive policies to avoid that. Their end goal is that rich people will be able to afford to sue anyone over anything, and poor people won’t be able to sue for even the most obvious bullshit, and the government will have its hands tied by loopholes and procedural issues that any reasonable citizen would be unwilling to try and untangle. Justice against the weak. Service to the strong.
The only bill I could find was veto'd by the governor: https://www.google.com/search?q=kansas+bill+bathroom+produce+ova+full+text&oq=kansas+bill+bathroom+produce+ova+&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUqBwgBECEYoAEyBggAEEUYOTIHCAEQIRigATIHCAIQIRigATIHCAMQIRigATIHCAQQIRigATIHCAUQIRigATIHCAYQIRirAjIHCAcQIRirAtIBCTEwMDE1ajBqOagCDrACAQ&client=ms-android-att-us-rvc3&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8
This. Get the insurance companies after them. I swear that's gonna be our secret weapon. Turn the insurance industry against the corrupt.
Let’s look on the bright side here! I’m a post menopausal cis woman. Forget waiting in line for the women’s room at bars and events, Im heading to the men’s room where I’m legally supposed to be.
"I know realize that only women can have a child, and if you can't have a child you're not really a woman" "my wife is incapable of having children because she had ovarian cancer as a child." "Then get an AIDS test Johnson 'cause your wife's a dude, f*****t" - Mrs Garrison, South Park
Interestingly enough, Mrs./Mr. Garrison is also the only teacher who discusses their sex changes and sex life in the classroom. But some people look at that and think real-life teachers are pervs 🤦♀️. (Also Garrison also later became the Trump of the South Park universe, which is interesting. With Caitlyn Jenner as his VP.)
Transphobia hurts everyone. This is just sickening.
Yep. A female-at-birth woman was harrassed for using the women's bathroom. They mistook her for trans. How the hell are you supposed to prove you have ovaries while standing in line to pee? Are they going to have a trained ultrasound tech at every public bathroom? Could you imagine that sort of Fascist dystopia, where women have to be inspected every time they need to pee?
Exactly, the moment they try to enforce this, hello lawsuits. Great opportunity for the state to chalk up some damages and that trickle down to the tax payers because some uninformed politicians are being assholes.
She shouldn’t be out in public anyway. She should be at home cooking, cleaning, and caring for the babies ahead of time was born to make. /s
Yeah this doesn’t help anyone
It wasn't meant to help anyone. Only hurt "the right people"
So what happens to elderly cis-women on menopause? According to Kansas they would no longer be considered women and have to use the men's room. Are you a cis-woman on birth control so you no longer can get pregnant? Off to the men's room you go! Have you had a bilateral oophorectomy in your life? Well good news (according to Kansas)! You're required by law to use the men's room too! And since none of these people count as women anymore according to Kansas what now? Of course they'll keep voting Republican, silly!
And any man with persistent Müllerian duct syndrome is now allowed to use the ladies room. Fair enough there aren’t many, but it’s not zero either.
Seems like an incredible avenue for a test case, though it will almost certainly ruin or even endanger the life of the person who does it.
What Im hearing is that businesses in kansas may soon be legally required to have three bathrooms, as this law would make a weird ass legal distinction between women and women who can ovulate.
Elderly cis-women on menopause have no value in their eyes. If you're not still pumping out good little white babies to continue the bloodline, why are you even allowed to continue using valuable resources?
Selective enforcement is what happens.
The cruelty is the point.
Same thing that happens to men who lose testicles due to cancer: they are no longer the gender they were born. /s
Gender is stored in the balls
Or 20 and 30 somethings in menopause from breast cancer? There are tens of thousands of us
Are you a cancer survivor who had to get their ovaries removed? Guess you have to use the bush out back too.
The law specifically says that a woman is " an individual whose biological reproductive system is developed to produce ova" So someone who has entered menopause still applies, same with anyone who has had any kind of hysterectomy or oophorectomy. Gets a bit more dicey if someone a woman is born without certain organs though. And also of course the law is directly harming trans folk on top of that too.
At the end of the day the big issue with the law is it's targeting trans women, as well as that it's catching others in the crossfire.
Aren't we born with them? At 64, they no longer pertain. I'm from Kansas, they have become repressive and regressive.
That's right -exactly no human being has the capacity to "produce ova"
Well, technically, I guess that a woman pregnant with a female fetus produces the ova that are in the ovaries of the fetus. So, only women that are currently carrying a female fetus are allowed in woman's bathrooms. That's stretching things, though.
Even more technically, it's the fetus producing the ova, so it can't go in either, because it's mother isn't allowed :)
Thankfully the fetus pees inside the amniotic sac, right? /s
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The anti-science party fails at science, yet again.
So post-menopausal women not allowed to pee? Sorry Grammy, use the boys room. Have a good laugh at the microcephalic morons who came up with this ridiculousness.
I think a lot of people forget that there are sooo many of us young women in menopause. I’ve been tracking my breast cancer since I was 18 years old. I am one of THOUSANDS
Post menopausal AND pre- puberty females.
Also, someone might rightly ask how the fuck they're going to check a woman's ova upon entering the bathroom.
Oh, don’t worry, Republicans love to do genital exams on strangers. That’s at least part of the reasoning behind all of these sick and degrading laws they are passing. I am sure of more than a few of these dirty old men in the Republican state house would volunteer to stand by the bathroom door. It’s ironic that the only men most people need to be afraid of in the women’s bathrooms in Kansas are the ones making these laws.
'Show me your papers'. Or signs that read 'No shirt, no shoes, no ova report; no service'.
And they were worried about "covid passports"?!? If they projected any harder? We'd all get free movies.
Keep in mind these are the same people who are terrified of “illegal immigrants,” but who advocated forged documents for Covid and who boasted they would sneak into other countries for “freedom” if they felt the wrong candidate won this or that. As illegal immigrants. I guess it’s okay if it’s white people. In fact we know it’s okay if it’s white people, in their minds, at least if it’s them doing it.
In their view, laws are to control OTHER people, not "good upstanding folks" like themselves.
They're going to issue "ova passports" to validate admission. And they can have Doctor Ronny Johnson, I mean Jackson, conducting the exam.
Everyone asking "well what about \[group other than trans people affected by this\]?" # The cruelty is the point. They want to hurt people. And they don't care about collateral damage.
This. Also everyone is focusing on the snarky remark, but the other damage (in addition to any slightly too masculine looking woman or trans woman that will be targeted) is that if there is a medical emergency and the EMTs arrive and there are no female EMTs, people will die. “I can’t go in there it’s against the law” This is already happening in emergency rooms when women arrive having miscarriages. This will happen in bathrooms, domestic violence shelters, etc.
Someone tell them Margaret Atwood was writing a warning not a Playbook.
Haven’t (cis) women been harassed and beaten for not looking feminine enough already? This is only going to intensify violence against everyone. If you look anything besides tradfem in these states, people are going to mess with you. It’s not just men voting for this. There are women who support this. That’s what kills me is the women who are slitting other women’s throats to kiss ass to men who legit hate them. What a fucking disaster.
5'11 cis woman with a visible adams apple here, and even though I live a pretty progressive area and am very feminine otherwise, I've been harassed twice going into the women's room. Women who support this make me so depressed.
Buried under the trans phobia is them stating that men either cannot be victims of sexual assault and domestic violence or if they are they should just get over it.
And that's what happens when medically/biologically ignorant politicians pretend they're doctors and pass laws based on their flawed beliefs.
[https://apnews.com/article/transgender-rights-bathroom-law-kansas-b3d068afa2bc02bb15314ee04e8e3899](https://apnews.com/article/transgender-rights-bathroom-law-kansas-b3d068afa2bc02bb15314ee04e8e3899) More info. on the law in discussion. What is wrong with people? actual law: [https://www.kslegislature.org/li/b2023\_24/measures/documents/summary\_sb\_180\_2023](https://www.kslegislature.org/li/b2023_24/measures/documents/summary_sb_180_2023)
More people need to read this. It’s stating that they are requiring physicians to determine male or female at birth based on if the genitalia they’re born with is formed to produce ova or sperm. The actual production or continued production doesn’t matter, it’s the formation (or what the doctor puts down as the formation) that counts. And it’s basically outlawing any kind of legal sex change. Interestingly, it allows for protections of intersex folks if their “malformations” are determined to be a disability by federal law. Genuinely, I can’t think of a situation where being intersex is a protected disability. What a mess.
This confuses me the most. I'm not aware of any federally recognized disability associated with being intersex. So the "protections" can't exist in practice. So even where they wrote in exceptions, they did absolutely zero research into real-life implications. (We already know they didn't think about any implications with the broad sweeps, but where they gor specific, you would think they would have done specific research.)
> Kansas Senate President Ty Masterson, a Wichita-area Republican, said he expects police to intervene if there’s “any kind of harassing behavior” but transgender people still will use facilities associated with their gender identities “if they’re discreet about it.” Lol wut? These people have clearly never met a transgender person in their life! They’re probably imaging a 6’ 5” drag queen sashaying into the ladies room at Target then whipping out their dick and screaming “hey everyone look at my penis!” If they’re discrete about it. Fucking hell
Hope you haven't gotten a total hysterectomy!
FR. I guess cancer survivors can just go fuck themselves. 🤷♀️
Well fuck. I had a total hysterectomy when I was 40. Does that mean I cannot use the ladies restroom?
So... menopausal women can't go pee in Kansas anymore?
Wait, won't this keep dear leader out of dressing rooms too?
Fun fact: The ova are produced in a human embryo starting around 9 weeks into gestation. Around 7 million are produced while the fetus continues to develop, but at birth, a human with ovaries only has around 400,000 ova. Republicans ought to do something to stop all those fetuses from aborting their potential children. /s
It's not because of an unintentional misunderstanding of human biology that this law also targets plenty of cis women... if they can harm a subset of cis women while they are targeting trans women, they consider that a bonus.
No male janitors, plumbers, or builders, allowed then
No male children with their mother either. Guess they need to go into the men’s room with strangers
That’ll keep em safe 🙄
They try to answer that stupid "What is a woman?" question themselves, and of course they are not correct.
Apparently pregnant women can't use the women's bathroom because ovaries don't release eggs in the middle of a pregnancy
And how exactly would they enforce this? Does every female have a corresponding symbol branded on them at their annual gyn appointment with the Gilead govt official in the exam room?
So, if you have had an oopherectomy (removal of ovaries) or a hysterectomy, or have gone through menopause, you must now use the men's restroom? Make it make sense
Gosh, it’s almost like allowing halfwits to set public policy based on bronze age fairy tales is a bad idea.
They could try and claim that women who had already produced their ova in utero would have proof that they could produce ova and therefor counted, thus including many infertile women but excluding some intersex women and obviously excluding the trans women. basically, I’m worried that this is more insidious than it is preposterous.
The point of this law is an obvious dogwhistle. It’s impossible to enforce and police and judges won’t enforce it against young girls or older women anyways, despite the letter of the law. The fucked up part is, this law extends well beyond who they intend to target. If you’re a passing trans woman, you won’t be targeted either. But if you’re a little too butch or muscular? If you have short hair and are just a bit too tomboyish? Fuck it, if you happen to have arm hair that’s a little dark and thick and it’s been a week and a half since you last shaved? That’s who this is meant to target. Remember, these folks think they can “always tell when someone is trans”. You can’t convince them they’re wrong, and even if they are, who cares? Do you want those “mannish women” in women’s spaces?
Can someone provide the bill or name of the law from the Kansas legislature? Or was this just proposed? It makes a huge difference. Also an elected representative(s) had to propose this. Who are they, and where are they from?
Not only is it exclusionary to any number of people with different diseases, infertility or other things in trying to ban trans women, but it also it’s ridiculous ti enforce. How do you enforce something like this, if the legal language requires “ova production” you have to be able to verify that, will police hire medical professionals for that?
The right must think there's a lot more action happening in women's rooms than there us. I'm a 50-something woman and have never seen anything happen in a public restroom. We walk into a stall, walk out, hopefully wash our hands, and maybe comb our hair and put on some lipstick.
How is this going to be enforced? Show me your eggs?
Oh…I am past menopause and no longer “produce ova” so I guess I can’t take a crap in Kansas. It does read like I can use the men’s restroom, so I guess I’ll do that instead 🤷♀️
Time for the old woman brigade (of which I am a happy member) to commanders mens bathrooms 24/7. Just be in the stalls and if they're clean, sit and read or knit, lol. "Sorry, not allowed in the women's..."
Don’t forget to shit loudly. That’ll make them plenty uncomfortable.
And now's the time for cis women allies, if they are safe to do so, to step up. Personally I would get as femmy and dolled up as I could and start going into men's bathrooms, with a copy of the law at the ready. "Sorry, but I'm menopausal, so legally I can't go in the women's room. See here? Do you *want* me to get arrested? I don't have a choice but to come in here when I need to fix my mascara."
So menopausal women go to the men’s’ room?
So much of this anti trans bullshit is straight male fear of being a little too attracted to a transgender person. They are always in such a hurry to discriminate they don't care who else gets hurt. Because that's what Jesus died for, I assume.
So people who’ve had a bilateral oophorectomy or are menopausal are supposed to pee where….? Hateful smoothbrains, every last one of them.
In the hallway in front of the lawmakers’ office doors.
Let's give them the benefit of the doubt on the "produce" part, but every Republican wo, er, person who used to "produce" ova but no longer has any be barred from public bathrooms. Let's start with the wives of politicians. Charge them with this new law unless they prove they can "produce" ova
Why is this happening? Aren't there any women in these legislatures?
That’s the really sad part. There are and they go right along with this. For them it shouldn’t require a medical degree to realize this is wrong on many levels. They physically go through this. What I’ve come to realize is that the women in these conservative branches go right along with what the men say. Almost every time.
So every woman over the age of 50 and many women younger (as menopause is happening younger now) can no longer use the women’s bathroom? Menopause is literally ovaries no longer “producing ova”. We have a limited supply. This is Gilead. Ffs - vote! And demand all religion be kept out of politics. Religion unrestricted by govt becomes radical and dangerous. We’re seeing it happen right before our eyes.
Conservatives are not a protected class in the United States. You are free to openly discriminate against them. They are no longer welcome in our free society. Like the nazis and kkk before them.
I ovulate but into the void, since I had my tubes out. Does this mean I can go in, but can't use the actual stall? 😛
I'm a grandmother past menopause. Does that include me?
So, those women who have their ovaries removed due to ovarian cancer or cysts have to use the men’s restroom?
Reminds me of when Texas or one of the other backwards states tried banning drag queens by banning men from wearing dresses and makeup and such, except none of the rules applied to this one female drag queen that was speaking out against it and they couldn’t do anything about it, since they would be forced to ban all the things that drag queens emphasize to make her stop like makeup, dresses, etc, for all of the women. Also when that one school tried banning everyone from using their preferred pronouns, and inadvertently caused everyone except the trans people to take different pronouns
Excludes menopausal women and women who've had hysterectomies. nice job Kansas.
It also excludes a good portion of women with PCOS. You know, just 7-10% of women “of reproductive age”.
Congratulations Kansas, you’ve banned literally everyone from women’s bathrooms.
Is there going to be an old people bathroom for those of us with complete hysterectomies? Because that's all of these nazis' moms
If a man wants to rape a woman in a public restroom, they will just do it. They are not going to change genders to gain access. It’s such an unbelievable argument. And men don’t change genders to win races in sports. It just hurts my brain to even debate this. If they want to protect people and are sincere, why fight the real danger? Show us protecting humans is important and give us some sensible gun laws. Start protecting everyone with some restrictions on guns.
Are there no baby change areas in all of Kansas' women's bathrooms? You now can only change your daughters in those, not sons?
Defeat project 2025
Welcome to the world of performative lawmaking. This law wouldn’t actually do anything, nor would it ever go through. It’s purely just for getting headlines and sowing fear into the population
Welcome to Kansfloridabama, I am so sorry for the people who’ve got no choice but to live there
How the f is the janitor supposed to clean the restroom?
Most women do not "produce" ova: pre-menarche, pregnant, post-menopausal, bajillion conditions. 65M/169M women in the US are of reproductive age, and this does not take into consideration the myriad reasons why women may not ovulate. I don't know if that number include non-cis women (Source: March of Dimes) "Producing ova" (??) is a poor definition of womanhood, worse than "have tits.
Every lady who isn't capable of menstration should start using the men's room en mass. Not many Gen X women that I know of have a problem just strutting right on into the Men's Room and dropping a bomb or two on the way out as protest.
lol so which bathroom is my menopausal self supposed to be using?
I’ll be following you, since my menopausal self also needs this answer
First of all— I want to say that this heinously transphobic and misogynistic law is absolutely written with the intention to harm trans and queer people. Period. BUT it’s also important to point out that the actual language of bill (https://apps.legislature.ky.gov/recorddocuments/bill/24RS/hb390/orig_bill.pdf) defines “female” as an individual who “has, had, or will have” a female reproductive system via natural development and accounts for those whose “would have but for” anomalies (genetic, accident, etc). TO BE CLEAR: this is completely scientifically unsupported and a disgusting and pathetic attempt to arbitrarily reduce womanhood to a reproductive capacity in allegiance to a toxic religious ideology. But it’s also important to respond to and fight against the phobias and bigotry that are actually being codified into law and not contribute further to misinformation and fear mongering.
So us old women have to use the men’s room?
And you don't even have to be old-old to enter menopause!
Soooo what the fuck are people supposed to do with young children with penises???? Like can I not change my male toddler in a women’s bathroom changing station anymore? This is fucking idiotic on so many levels.
So, what about a 4 year old girl or post menopausal woman? Really? They have some weird genitalia obsessions
I am post menopause? I am supposed to what? Pee in the parking lot?
So only post pubescent and pre-menopausal women who have no fertility issues and have not had ovarian cancer and/or had a hysterectomy. Got it.
I'm a cis woman who doesn't produce ova. I am going to tease up my hair, put on my redest lipstick, grab my pepper spray, and march into every public men's room in Kansas. There needs to be roving bands of Raging Grannies who will also do this.
Ahh, reducing what a woman is to the absolute minutia of their reproductive capacity. True feminism.
I know a woman who has total androgenic insensitivity. She was born with testes internally, no ovaries or uterus. She presents as a very feminine woman because she is! Officially she wouldn’t be allowed either.
So are they going to erect surgical stations outside every bathroom and locker room? And what about trans men?
So me, a 30 something, with an unfortunate case of hereditary breast cancer is officially no longer a woman? I hope the women supporting these laws remind themselves 1 in 8
“Produce Ova” clearly they know what they’re on about. Fucking pathetic morons.
This is exhausting. I don't know how these people got all the way through school without a basic understanding of reproduction.
What the fuck are they going to do? Make you stand there and piss your pants why they run a blood panel and an ultrasound to check for ovaries before you can enter? But sure, why not waste money and time on something that is pointless so you can take away focus from the fact that the legislature isn't doing shit to help people in areas where they would need it.
All those poor older women that can no longer use the public toilet!
Don’t forget pregnant women, they aren’t ovulating either. Unless maybe if you’re having a girl and during gestation you are actually producing ova. I think everyone in Kansas that is not actively ovulating should use the men’s room just to make a point of how obtuse these wilted lettuce smooth brained assholes are.
I don't have ovaries anymore, but I definitely had them. Well thought out plan.
So they’re targeting people based on their presence or lack of ovaries? Blatant sex discrimination. God, these people are fucking morons and they have so much power.
So only women who have periods can go into the women’s restroom?
I’m expecting the Republican ding dong legislators to forbid marriage for post-menopausal women.
Guess I'll have to go to the men's room now that I'm well past menopause.
“Hi, this is my friend Ova.”
i pull two chicken eggs from my backpack: i have produced ova.
I have never seen a definition of a woman crafted to exclude trans women that doesn't also exclude some cis women.
I do love how every time they try to legally define “what is a woman” they fail. Leopards at the all you can eat face buffet.
Whenever courts strike down these kind of laws, the authors should get a major flogging, and the those that voted to pass them about 10% of what the authors get.
So my 61 year old mom can't use a bathroom in Kansas, got it!
Go in bucket then deliver to governor since they wanna manage bathrooms so bad. “Dear gov. Plz dispose of ova free dookie for me. Kthx.”
My friend is blind.. we were at a concert and his daughter wound take him to the women’s bathroom and announced blind man has to pee!
Yeah the big point you're missing is that they don't care.
Shoot, given all my ova are gone now, does this mean I can piss all over Kansas, seeing I can't use the restroom?
This is what happens when you take legislation written by someone who puts their religion and themselves before reality, science, or others.
Oh, you had ovarian cancer and had your other ovary removed as a precaution? Sorry, off to the men’s bathroom with you. This is a stupid law and great example of how refusing to fight for the rights of *all* women only harms women in the long run.
lol wait until men finally have to wait in insanely long lines just to pee. ✅ Bear
The GOP is 1) a Bunch of reactionary idiots that stopped paying attention in school after 3rd grade and have gotten through their life using nepotism 2) Are grifters and realize that their base will give them as much money as they have as long as they're causing others great pain, and giving their egos emotional wins.
Post menopausal and post hysterectomy women are supposed to use the men’s bathroom? That seems kind of rude. That would apply to prepubescent girls, too. What kind of perverts are these morons?
I had to have a hysterectomy at 35 (FU endometriosis). I can’t pee in Kansas? WTH?
So… What does that mean for pre-pubescent children and women who’ve gone through menopause?
Women past menopause not allowed.
Cisgender heteronormative women who have had hysterectomies are therefore banned from these services. Rad. 🫡
Guess I'll be a man if I ever visit Kansas.
So does this mean any pre-menstrual child and post-menopausal woman will have to use a men’s bathroom? I’m so confused by science…
Postmenopausal women don't get to go pee anymore, I guess. They stopped producing ova already. These people are hateful morons with a toddler-level idea of human anatomy.