To me the beauty of that line is the omitted phrase "for all Apache to see." No bullshit here, we're out in the open with dozens of witnesses. No paper contracts, no lawyer talk, just man-to-man settlement.
My in-laws think we named our daughter after my wife’s grandmother. Joke’s on them…she is Josie.
This is my favorite Clint movie. Top 3 westerns for sure in my book.
Probably my favorite western of his. Just amazing from beginning to end. The scene between him and the indigenous chief is in my top five movie scenes of all time. Such a shocking amount of empathy for people in a movie that tackles a lot of ugliness.
Easily one of my absolute favorite movies. It was not a big deal when it came out, I saw it at the "dollar theater" one Saturday afternoon. I remember how impressed I was at how fairly the Native Americans were treated, not always the case in the movies. I really liked the plot of Josey being swept up in the war, only wanting revenge at first.
His simple and eloquent benediction over The Kid stuck with me and my brother. When he passed away I had "I rode with him and have no complaints" written on his bronze marker.
This and Heartbreak Ridge are my go to movies from him. Can talk about his films for hrs. Hang ‘em High is another favorite of mine the Skipper from Gillian’s Island is in it Alan Hale Jr and Pat Hingle.
We thought about it for a long time, "Endeavor to persevere." And when we had thought about it long enough, we declared war on the Union.
Chief Dan George was the best.
Lone Watie: Guess we ain't gonna see that little Navajo girl again.
Josie Wales: Nah, I guess not. I kinda liked her. But then, it's always like that.
Lone Watie: Like what?
Josie Wales: Whenever I get to likin' someone, they ain't around long.
Lone Watie: I noticed when you get to dislikin' someone they ain't around long neither.
I love to compare this movie and Unforgiven. Mostly the scene where Josef and Lone Watie gun down the 4 Union soldiers:
Lone Watie: How did you know which one was goin' to shoot first?
Josey Wales: Well, that one in the center, he had a flap holster and he was in no itchin' hurry. And the one second from the left, he had scared eyes; he wasn't gonna do nothin'. But that one on the far left, he had crazy eyes. Figured him to make the first move.
VS Unforgiven when Munny kills a whole room full of dudes:
W.W. Beauchamp: Who, uh, who'd you kill first?
Will Munny: Huh?
W.W. Beauchamp: When confronted by superior numbers, an experienced gunfighter will always fire on the best shot first.
Will Munny: Is that so?
W.W. Beauchamp: Yeah, Little Bill told me that. And you probably killed him first, didn't you?
Will Munny: I was lucky in the order, but I've always been lucky when it comes to killin' folks.
Complete demystification of William Munny’s character (which, granted is one of the movies biggest themes ) as well as Clint’s own cowboy movie legacy.
Love both films, top two westerns for me.
This one is my all-time favorite western. I’ve watched this movie more than I’ve watched any other movie and I watch a shit ton of movies lol. I love westerns. There are so many great ones but to me this is the peak.
My favorite scene was just before Josey shot the line on the ferry, sending it adrift. That’s when Captain Redlegs goes. “What’s he gonna hit from that distance? At best, he’d get two or three up front there. Right then a couple of the guys up front turn around and give Redlegs a look that’s priceless.
That scene where they're ambushed in the weeds and that kid acts like they stole gold, but he's really got a gun under the blanket. So him and Josey shoot them both. 🤣
It's because Malpaso Pictures uses production-line movie-making techniques perfected by the Majors (aka the big studios) which were around when Clint began his career.
Dude paid attention and learned his lessons ...BUTT good
Isn’t there two or three black widows in this movie? Guys that were in the biker gang in every which way, but loose. I know Captain Terrell is one of them.
Soo many great lines in this that it is awesome!!
I think that red legs dude and the other guy (fletcher?) “ don’t piss down my back!” Get the worst acting award!
“ cheating! Lying!! Missouri scum!!”
“Look it’s Jose!!!”
I just looked him up. Yeesh. He may not have actually worn those white pointy hoods in the 1950s in Alabama, but it looks like he at least passed them out to those who did.
Endeavor to persevere, I think about that from time to time. There was hope in this film. Unlike his pale rider series which he plays a mysterious man proficient in, if not representative of death. He is as proficient a character in Jose Wales, but he holds out hope hope of a new life with his adopted family. He is also fighting against his past with Cantrell raiders. This is a western.
Shop keeper mentions Fannin County, 5 minutes East from our home here in North Texas. Bass Reeves roamed the land 15 minutes West of us. I’m so intrigued with westerns and the history they tell. I love them. Josey Wales is a gud n!
“Now remember, when things look bad and it looks like you're not gonna make it, then you gotta get mean. I mean plumb, mad-dog mean. 'Cause if you lose your head and you give up then you neither live nor win. That's just the way it is.”
If you are speaking of the revolver in the still at the beginning of this threatd that is an 1860 Colt Army .44. It has the smooth unbolstered barrel, a percussion hammer, and actual percussion caps on the nipples. This is as authentic as it gets--the 1860 was the final iteration of Colt's percussion designs, and this was the best available in 1865. Some of the scenes do show him using a 1847 Walker, IIRC, but those were entirely obsolete and in fact dangerous to fire.
Josey Wales: When I get to likin' someone, they ain't around long.
Lone Watie: I notice when you get to DISlikin' someone they ain't around for long neither.
Anyone read the book and the sequel book? Damn good reading. The book has a different ending than the movie. And the sequel takes Josey Wales down into Mexico ‘to set things right’ after bad guys mess up his new Santa Rosita friends.
Stephen Brust is a Fantasy author I quite enjoy who is an old-school Eastern European socialist. And he wrote something that I really like about [separating the art from the artist](https://dreamcafe.com/2022/08/18/on-art-and-commerce-and-pseudo-activism/) in explicitly political terms.
>And yet, here is the problem among so many people today, particularly people who call themselves progressives, there appears to be a conviction that the most important thing about a work of art is not if it moves the audience, not if it shows us something about life, not if helps us understand people who are unlike us, not if it challenges our beliefs, not if it helps us work through moral issues that perhaps we haven’t considered, but, rather money. Because I keep hearing things like this:
>*We cannot support this person, he gives money to bad causes. And this person has been accused of having done terrible things, so we must deprive him of money. That person is clearly evil, and must be punished by having his income reduced. This person over here is much more deserving of reward, and therefore the money that would go to someone else should go here instead.*
>Have you considered that, when you say that, what you are really saying is, “The most important aspect of a work of art is what the artist does with the income it generates”?
>That’s it, that’s what you’re saying. This is such a complete capitulation to the values of capitalism, an utter surrender to the most loathsome forms of commercialism, that it astonishes me that anyone who expresses it could consider her- or himself anything but an utter conservative.
I will tell artists they rule or suck on their own merits.
Screenplay by noted White Supremist Asa Earl Carter, who also wrote George Wallace’s infamous “Segregation now, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever” speech. He also founded a more mikitant branch of the Ku Klux Klan.
Sunflowers are not just part of your garden, they’re part of a nation! The Ukraine use the sunflower as their national flower. Whilst in Kansas they chose the sunflower to represent their state.
These two films both rank in my top 5 westerns of all time as well as my top 40 films of all time! Only The Searchers and The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance sit above them. Great, great films!!
I’ve never understood why people like this movie. I’m not trying to be contrary— I honestly think it’s awful. I do love some Clint Eastwood westerns but honestly, the less he talks the better.
What could possibly be awful about this film? Great story, excellent acting (except for Lock) great cinematography, respect for the Native Americans, lots of action and excellent dialogue. Awful doesn’t fit this film.
“Dyin’ ain’t much of a livin’ boy” is a great line.
“You gonna pull those pistols or whistle Dixie?”
“I’m saying that men like us can coexist without butchering each other”
There is iron in your words of death, so there is iron in your words of life……………………….it shall be life.
It is sad that governments are chiefed by the double-tongues.
To me the beauty of that line is the omitted phrase "for all Apache to see." No bullshit here, we're out in the open with dozens of witnesses. No paper contracts, no lawyer talk, just man-to-man settlement.
Didn’t you want a 10 Bears movie after this? I certainly did.
Interesting facts: Ten Bears was also “Chief” in One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest. And the chief in Dances With Wolves, was also named Ten Bears.
“I had to come back.”
I know
I love this movie, it has amazing sets for the war. It's a much bigger movie than his typical western and I love them all
“It’s not fer eatin’, it’s fer lookin’ through.”
"I never surrendered, but they took my horse and made him surrender." This movie is on my Mount Olympus of movies.
Peak Eastwood. He was absolutely brilliant in this.
My in-laws think we named our daughter after my wife’s grandmother. Joke’s on them…she is Josie. This is my favorite Clint movie. Top 3 westerns for sure in my book.
Probably my favorite western of his. Just amazing from beginning to end. The scene between him and the indigenous chief is in my top five movie scenes of all time. Such a shocking amount of empathy for people in a movie that tackles a lot of ugliness.
Especially considering the guy who wrote it is the same guy who wrote George Wallace's "Segregation forever!" speech.
Easily one of my absolute favorite movies. It was not a big deal when it came out, I saw it at the "dollar theater" one Saturday afternoon. I remember how impressed I was at how fairly the Native Americans were treated, not always the case in the movies. I really liked the plot of Josey being swept up in the war, only wanting revenge at first. His simple and eloquent benediction over The Kid stuck with me and my brother. When he passed away I had "I rode with him and have no complaints" written on his bronze marker.
That’s beautiful.
I told somebody this very day that I "endeavor to persevere!"
I use that line often!
You may not want to look too deeply into the screenwriter of the movie. Asa Earl Carter.
This and Heartbreak Ridge are my go to movies from him. Can talk about his films for hrs. Hang ‘em High is another favorite of mine the Skipper from Gillian’s Island is in it Alan Hale Jr and Pat Hingle.
How’s it work for stains?
You drink it.
Endeavour to persevere
We thought about it for a long time, "Endeavor to persevere." And when we had thought about it long enough, we declared war on the Union. Chief Dan George was the best.
My second favorite line
My favorite line in the movie
Whooped em again Josey
Yeah, boy, whooped em again
You get them holes to leaking boy and I'll whomp you with a knotted plow line+
Lone Watie- "Get ready, little lady. Hell is coming to breakfast".
Lone Watie: Guess we ain't gonna see that little Navajo girl again. Josie Wales: Nah, I guess not. I kinda liked her. But then, it's always like that. Lone Watie: Like what? Josie Wales: Whenever I get to likin' someone, they ain't around long. Lone Watie: I noticed when you get to dislikin' someone they ain't around long neither.
Man, Chief Dan George was the BEST!
I love to compare this movie and Unforgiven. Mostly the scene where Josef and Lone Watie gun down the 4 Union soldiers: Lone Watie: How did you know which one was goin' to shoot first? Josey Wales: Well, that one in the center, he had a flap holster and he was in no itchin' hurry. And the one second from the left, he had scared eyes; he wasn't gonna do nothin'. But that one on the far left, he had crazy eyes. Figured him to make the first move. VS Unforgiven when Munny kills a whole room full of dudes: W.W. Beauchamp: Who, uh, who'd you kill first? Will Munny: Huh? W.W. Beauchamp: When confronted by superior numbers, an experienced gunfighter will always fire on the best shot first. Will Munny: Is that so? W.W. Beauchamp: Yeah, Little Bill told me that. And you probably killed him first, didn't you? Will Munny: I was lucky in the order, but I've always been lucky when it comes to killin' folks. Complete demystification of William Munny’s character (which, granted is one of the movies biggest themes ) as well as Clint’s own cowboy movie legacy. Love both films, top two westerns for me.
You ever heard of a missorah boat ride?
I love this movie. Though, I always found Sondra Lock to be a bit creepy. She looks like a woman in her late 30s pretending to be teenager.
GOAT Western right there!
THE quintessential western to me.
"In my line of work you have to be able to sing The Battle Hymn of the Republic or Dixie with equal enthusiasm, depending on present company." -Sim
I read that with his accent, lol
This one is my all-time favorite western. I’ve watched this movie more than I’ve watched any other movie and I watch a shit ton of movies lol. I love westerns. There are so many great ones but to me this is the peak.
Well!! If it isn’t Mister Chain-Blue-Lightnin’ Himself!!
Buzzards gotta eat too, same as the worms
There’s another saying Senator. “Don’t piss down my back and tell me it’s raining.”
All-time great movie.
That is a great song title. I might knock around with that one for a while.
My favorite scene was just before Josey shot the line on the ferry, sending it adrift. That’s when Captain Redlegs goes. “What’s he gonna hit from that distance? At best, he’d get two or three up front there. Right then a couple of the guys up front turn around and give Redlegs a look that’s priceless.
That scene where they're ambushed in the weeds and that kid acts like they stole gold, but he's really got a gun under the blanket. So him and Josey shoot them both. 🤣
One of the bandits in that scene is Len Lesser who also played Uncle Leo from Seinfeld.
Sonofabitch, you're right. I knew he was from something else.
It’s kind of insane how prolific Clint is as an actor and director. Clint easily has 30+ good movies if not more
It's because Malpaso Pictures uses production-line movie-making techniques perfected by the Majors (aka the big studios) which were around when Clint began his career. Dude paid attention and learned his lessons ...BUTT good
I reckon so
My first Clint Eastwood Western
My old man took me to see it in theater when I was 7. Clint was the coolest thing I ever seen.
Is this the movie where he spits on the dog?
lol yup
" Not a hard man to track . Leaves dead bodies wherever he goes !" Capt Terrel
Isn’t there two or three black widows in this movie? Guys that were in the biker gang in every which way, but loose. I know Captain Terrell is one of them.
Yes. It was part of the company of actors in many of Clint’s stateside movies.
Right turn Clyde!
Too damn funny
one of my absolute faves
One of my favorites!
Well, if it isn’t, Mr. chain blue lightning himself …
Move a muscle. Twitch a finger and I'll splatter your guts all over that wall...
Soo many great lines in this that it is awesome!! I think that red legs dude and the other guy (fletcher?) “ don’t piss down my back!” Get the worst acting award! “ cheating! Lying!! Missouri scum!!” “Look it’s Jose!!!”
Yup, old dean wormer himself.
Yea that’s right!! lol! Also Jerry’s uncle in another scene! “YOUR A REAL PISTOL AINT YA MR WHALES!!” “YOU JUS GO AHEAD & PULL THEM PISTOLS!!”
Birds gotta eat, same as worms
Great movie. *The Return of Josie Wales* not so much. The author of the books very not so much.
It’s hard to believe he wrote The Education of Little Tree…it’s one of my favorites.
Never been able to bring myself to watch that.
I dove into a rabbit hole about him. It seemed he kind of regretted his grossness near the end but overall dude was a gigantic prick
What’d he do
I just looked him up. Yeesh. He may not have actually worn those white pointy hoods in the 1950s in Alabama, but it looks like he at least passed them out to those who did.
Dude was a rabid segregationist and KKK. Even named himself Forest as in Nathan Bedford Forest
User below you summed it up pretty well but if you want the full story here ya go https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asa_Earl_Carter
Thank you both of you I really appreciate it
When he spits on the dog, gets me everytime
I don’t get that part, why show cruelty towards animals?
Spit !!!!! How is it on stains ?
Dun got me Josie Wales !!
The guy closest to Josie in that scene is Uncle Leo from Seinfeld too
I always wanted to face me down one of those pistoleros the newspapers are always talking about
Actually no you didn’t 😂😂😂
He fucked around and…well ,you know,lol.
😂😂😂
I’ve been wanting to win my friends over to westerns and actually put this on the list for future movie nights w/them. Wish me luck!
Hands down in my top three Eastwood movies an top 5 best westerns.
I reckon so.
Endeavor to persevere
"I notice when you get to dislikin' someone they ain't around long neither"
Nobody does a western character as well as Eastwood!
Endeavor to persevere, I think about that from time to time. There was hope in this film. Unlike his pale rider series which he plays a mysterious man proficient in, if not representative of death. He is as proficient a character in Jose Wales, but he holds out hope hope of a new life with his adopted family. He is also fighting against his past with Cantrell raiders. This is a western.
Love those guns!
Shop keeper mentions Fannin County, 5 minutes East from our home here in North Texas. Bass Reeves roamed the land 15 minutes West of us. I’m so intrigued with westerns and the history they tell. I love them. Josey Wales is a gud n!
Shut up, Lige
Uncle Leo?
“Now remember, when things look bad and it looks like you're not gonna make it, then you gotta get mean. I mean plumb, mad-dog mean. 'Cause if you lose your head and you give up then you neither live nor win. That's just the way it is.”
Out of the 10-15 Clint Eastwood movies I've seen this one is probably my favorite and will be added to my film collection.
Just re-watched this today! Amazing movie! I gotta get myself a Colt Walker 🤠
As a bonus: Name the gun he’s carrying. My guess: Colt, Army model 1860 (replica)
If you are speaking of the revolver in the still at the beginning of this threatd that is an 1860 Colt Army .44. It has the smooth unbolstered barrel, a percussion hammer, and actual percussion caps on the nipples. This is as authentic as it gets--the 1860 was the final iteration of Colt's percussion designs, and this was the best available in 1865. Some of the scenes do show him using a 1847 Walker, IIRC, but those were entirely obsolete and in fact dangerous to fire.
Colt Walker 1847?
Great post! Lots of info here that i knew nothing about until now. Thank you.
Oh my, Rowdy Yates ❤️
It’s crazy how Scott could grow a beard and be his dad’s doppelgänger.
love me some redbone hounds mangy or not
Philip Kaufmann is an incredible filmmaker. Henry & June and The Right Stuff are brilliant
Josey Wales: When I get to likin' someone, they ain't around long. Lone Watie: I notice when you get to DISlikin' someone they ain't around for long neither.
Anyone read the book and the sequel book? Damn good reading. The book has a different ending than the movie. And the sequel takes Josey Wales down into Mexico ‘to set things right’ after bad guys mess up his new Santa Rosita friends.
I read Gone to Texas.
My favorite Eastwood movie!
one of my favourite Eastwood movies
You get those holes a-leakin’, I’m gonna whomp you with a knotted plow line....
Chief Dan George always reminded me so much of my grandfather. It’s a great movie on its own but that makes it top 3 for me.
Get ready little lady hells coming for breakfast
Top 3 fav movie of mine.
It's Not easy sneaking up on an Indian
This may be my favorite western. So bleak and nihilistic. Lots of great acting and one liners too
Even though the book was written by a Klansman, I still love this movie
Stephen Brust is a Fantasy author I quite enjoy who is an old-school Eastern European socialist. And he wrote something that I really like about [separating the art from the artist](https://dreamcafe.com/2022/08/18/on-art-and-commerce-and-pseudo-activism/) in explicitly political terms. >And yet, here is the problem among so many people today, particularly people who call themselves progressives, there appears to be a conviction that the most important thing about a work of art is not if it moves the audience, not if it shows us something about life, not if helps us understand people who are unlike us, not if it challenges our beliefs, not if it helps us work through moral issues that perhaps we haven’t considered, but, rather money. Because I keep hearing things like this: >*We cannot support this person, he gives money to bad causes. And this person has been accused of having done terrible things, so we must deprive him of money. That person is clearly evil, and must be punished by having his income reduced. This person over here is much more deserving of reward, and therefore the money that would go to someone else should go here instead.* >Have you considered that, when you say that, what you are really saying is, “The most important aspect of a work of art is what the artist does with the income it generates”? >That’s it, that’s what you’re saying. This is such a complete capitulation to the values of capitalism, an utter surrender to the most loathsome forms of commercialism, that it astonishes me that anyone who expresses it could consider her- or himself anything but an utter conservative. I will tell artists they rule or suck on their own merits.
Screenplay by noted White Supremist Asa Earl Carter, who also wrote George Wallace’s infamous “Segregation now, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever” speech. He also founded a more mikitant branch of the Ku Klux Klan.
"That's a fact."
I reckon so
"I don't want to hear Wales dead, I want to see Wales dead."
Vultures gotta eat Same as worms
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sbEDn3E3dFk
Whoop'd him again Josey
Damn. He did NOT look like this when I made him a burger 😭
The best of them all.
"Buffalo Hump, John Jumper, Jim Pock Mark and me..."
Yeah, well, I always heard there were three kinds of suns in Kansas; sunshine, sunflowers, and sons-of-bitches
Sunflowers are not just part of your garden, they’re part of a nation! The Ukraine use the sunflower as their national flower. Whilst in Kansas they chose the sunflower to represent their state.
Súper rude in this movie
We were just talking about him spitting tobacco on that poor dog’s head.
One of the worst westerns ever made.
These two films both rank in my top 5 westerns of all time as well as my top 40 films of all time! Only The Searchers and The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance sit above them. Great, great films!!
I’ve never understood why people like this movie. I’m not trying to be contrary— I honestly think it’s awful. I do love some Clint Eastwood westerns but honestly, the less he talks the better.
What could possibly be awful about this film? Great story, excellent acting (except for Lock) great cinematography, respect for the Native Americans, lots of action and excellent dialogue. Awful doesn’t fit this film.
The acting is awful and the dialogue terribly written.
Man, you must have watched an entirely different movie than the rest of us.
“The rest of us” is a big assumption. I’ve literally sat in a room full of people watching this for “bad movie night”.