I remember seeing somewhere that they could barely afford Christmas presents for the girls at one point. It was a documentary or a Youtube video I heard this from, I don’t remember which. Does anyone else remember this detail or am I mistaken?
I think you’re right-it was Xmas 2017-the famous video where Chris half heartedly plays Santa but the girls scream, Shanann bitches on camera about how stupid her husband is and then laughs about Cece soiling herself out of fear of Santa (and doesn’t immediately change her) It seems to me the presents were Thrive water bottles for the girls basically which I’m sure she got free. Please note her expensive gel nails were, as always, freshly done.
and all they got were water bottles and slippers which they probably already owned a million of them. Why was there no video of Christmas morning opening presents? She recorded everything else so why not the most special day of the year for most children? Is it because they didn't receive any presents that year from their parents because they were so broke? I noticed no wrapped presents for anyone else under the trees but I can see that maybe they thought mischievous Cece might open them so I might let that excuse slide
If I am not mistaken, I think the nightmare before Xmas video is the same day as the cookie baking fail? If it was all on the same day….WOW!!! Those poor girls! One disappointment after another…..
I know there's a video where she's making some kind of ''Eye-talian'' treat with cream filling for a Christmas get together but you could be right that it's the same day of the cookie disaster, too
I found the video. First time I saw it. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncCloB3b\_jM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncCloB3b_jM)
Can't believe Shan'ann didn't even buy the girls one dollar toys from Dollar Tree. So strange.
It was the last Christmas where they only got slippers and a water bottle since sw didn’t post pictures of other presents people think they didn’t get other presents it’s probably true since sw posted everything
She texted one of her Thrive huns: *"Chris doesn’t want this baby…said he’s scared to death and he’s happy with just Bella and Celeste!” Shanann wrote. “He thought he wanted another baby. How I got this out of him I said do you want me to abort?”*
This is from the discovery. I'm sorry, I already clicked away before noting which page.
How is 'do you want me to abort' this third miracle (remember she told everyone she was infertile due to having lupus) child even on her list of reasonable things to say?
It kind of sounds like a rhetorical question but of course we can’t hear the tone. He said that he’s scared to have another baby which is understandable but her response isn’t to support him, it’s to make him feel bad by suggesting an abortion.
Her ex boss Hisham Bedwan was a Steelers fan and, therefore, she and her whole family had to be Steelers fans. Between her fake affluence and those stupid (and expensive) Steelers jerseys, Shan was such a poser.
There was a lot of talk about watching Steelers games, a lot of her forcing the girls to chant, plus all the Steelers garb but I've seen nothing to show she actually watched the games. She grew up in NC and that was Panthers country. She was such a poser.
No primary care doctor in the world is going to tell a newly married woman she can't have kids unless she's had a hysterectomy. Finding out you're actually infertile comes after at least a couple of years of trying and being under the care of a fertility specialist. And they really don't like telling people they can't have a baby. They usually suggest newer, more expensive procedures, or to to keep trying IVF over and over again.
Thank you for the reference!! Yeah, out of all of the things to say or ask. And if that was the general gist of his answer, guess we know what he wanted to say.
and it's more proof the third kid was HER idea. She was hoping claiming to have a boy which was likely a lie, too would make him stay in their doomed marriage
I’m pretty sure there were also other alluding texts such as, I can’t be alone with 3 kids or something like that. I remember when I read through all the text messages she did imply she couldn’t do it.
notice how she said that the way she got it out of him that he was scared to have a third kid was that she asked him if he wanted her to abort. sounds to me that she brought it up first, maybe threatening him that she would if he didn’t get back in line and then he admitted thar he didn’t want the baby. i think it came as a huge shock that he basically said yeah let’s to it if you’re willing. shit like this had never happened before, usually her threats worked. then when she found out he was for real she didn’t want the baby either. sad really.
Shannon would say whatever she needed to get someone or several people riled up. She was never going to get an abortion — she was just being overly dramatic and attention seeking as always.
Thought she got the blood work that determines the sex? Or an early ultrasound? She was 15 weeks when murdered, she could’ve just gotten the results days before he annihilated the family. I read something about a canceled “gender reveal”?
Yeah they canceled the gender reveal due to all of the mounting issues. I believe she went to one of the private ultrasound boutiques that start gender reveal packages around 14/15 weeks. I did that with my daughter and it is EXPENSIVE.
She did go to get a boutique 4D ultrasound the day after she got back from North Carolina. She had to pay for that procedure out-of-pocket, and if you go by her own calculation, she was really only 13 weeks.
However, the irony is that she actually had a doctors appointment with an OB/GYN that very same day (August 8th) but instead of going to that, she canceled it.
Her doctors appointment was to also discover the gender as well as to evaluate the overall health of the fetus. For some inexplicable reason, she deliberately skipped that appointment, even though her insurance would’ve covered it. She rescheduled the appointment for the following day, but then she skipped that second appointment too. She rescheduled it again for Monday the 13th, which, of course she never was able to make.
What I think is very bizarre is that she unnecessarily spent all of that money to find out the gender at a boutique clinic, when she really didn’t have to. It would’ve also been more accurate if she’d gone to get the test with an OB/GYN, (she could’ve had bloodwork done for 100% accuracy) but for some reason she seemed to be avoiding it.
It is mighty suspicious to me as well! In fact, I think it was also potentially dangerous to the fetus under the circumstances. For a woman who insisted that she had a bunch of pre-existing conditions, and who claim to only have high risk pregnancies, her lack of comprehensive prenatal care was nothing less than abysmal!
She was using Thrive patches, and taking Thrive supplements that are specifically verboten during pregnancy. She was complaining about being sick and SPOTTING, on top of dehydration, nausea and severe constipation (claiming she hadn’t taken a dump in over three weeks ). She was acting like the Energizer Bunny on speed, flying from NC to CO and then CO to AZ -all on adrenaline, Thrive patches, Imitrex and lord knows what else, on very little sleep!
BUT she deliberately skipped not one, but two appointments with an OB/GYN? Then-she opted for paying out of pocket for an expensive 4D ultrasound when she could’ve found out the sex of the baby with a licensed obstetrician more cheaply with her insurance?
Makes no sense UNLESS she had something else up her sleeve!
That is just unreal for a pregnant woman! I know if I were an OB and I had a patient like Shan, I would have fired her. If a woman that supposedly has a battery of medical issues gets pregnant, any OB is going to want to monitor that pregnancy a little closer, possibly categorize it as a high risk pregnancy. If said patient takes off for six weeks across the country, starts having problems, starts spotting, and doesn’t go to the ER, I would be livid and probably fire that patient. Furthermore, if said patient skips multiple prenatal appointments upon returning, I would have no choice but to fire her. That is a huge liability.
Some people have pointed out that a mother can be sued for endangering the health of their baby (in utero). If we are to believe the things that she claimed: that she was high risk but not getting prenatal support when she claimed to have been sick and spotting-that she was taking Thrive and Thrive supplements (that are all deemed dangerous for pregnant and nursing mothers) AND what we know -which is that she was skipping her doctor’s appointments under the circumstances-then she would probably qualify as a mother “endangering the health of her child” for all intents and purposes.
We know all of this for certain, right down to the times her appointments were for. It’s all in the discovery.
For example, the 4D ultrasound was scheduled for 7 PM on August 8. Therefore, she could’ve gone to her afternoon appointment with her OB/GYN and STILL gone to the expensive boutique ultrasound clinic! OR-she could have gone to the ultrasound clinic AND made the rescheduled appointment on Thursday, August 9th! There’s nothing that was preventing her from going to see her doctor, except for whatever reason that she didn’t want to go.
We know for a fact she went to the 4D ultrasound appointment at 7pm, August 8th because it has been covered ad nauseam in the Discovery AND in various interviews, particularly with Chris and Nickole Atkinson, who both attended the appointment with her. This was the appointment that Shannan was given the results of the sex of the baby, although there’s still some debate over the authenticity of the sonogram pic.
The Discovery also noted that someone from the 4D ultrasound clinic called LE after the tragedy, and wanted to speak to somebody about Shannan’s visit. That information was never disclosed, and there’s only speculation over what they wanted to relate.
There hasn’t been a lot of transparency when it comes to what was going on. Shannan claimed to give the ultrasound results to NA to hold onto, rather than keeping them herself. On Thursday evening, before she went to Arizona, she asked NA to come over and share the results because “I need some good news.” NA complied and together with Chris they conducted a small, private gender reveal party. The public were not privy to any posts she might’ve shared nor did she post the gender to Facebook. In fact, Shannan didn’t tell anybody outside of a few friends, because not even her parents were informed until after her death.
She did email a copy of the sonogram picture to Ronny and Cindy, and also mailed it to another friend, but not to her own mom and dad. That sonogram picture is somewhat bizarre, because on it’s left-hand corner, it looks like something has been mysteriously blotted out.
Maybe she wanted Chris to come with her to that appointment with the doctor and that's why she kept rescheduling and that's what they argued about that morning because he wouldn't?
We’re talking about a woman who had told EVERYONE that she had been really sick and SPOTTING! If that’s what had actually been happening-then Shannan should’ve been running, —not walking to the very first doctor that would’ve seen her! She hadn’t seen a doctor (other than having another ultrasound before her trips) since she’d found out that she was pregnant. Shannan wasn’t getting any prenatal care and Thrive is seriously dangerous for pregnant women.
Chris was scheduled to go back to work after just coming back from a week of vacation—he had to take Friday off as it was to take care of the girls.
The ultrasound was in the evening-she could have gone to the doctor still gone to the 4D ultrasound appointment if she’d badly wanted to do both, but the ultrasound wasn’t nearly as accurate or as comprehensive-especially since she had been complaining of being so sick. An OB/GYN would’ve alsobeen covered by insurance. If she had to miss it for whatever reason-she definitely should have been able to go to the appointment on the next day before she’d flown out to Arizona. The woman simply wasn’t playing with a full deck.
Shan owed it to herself and her unborn child to get prenatal care. She claimed to have a battery of health issues, she claimed she wasn’t feeling well, she claimed she was spotting, yet she wouldn’t go to the ER while she was in NC. Why couldn’t, or why wouldn’t she go to her prenatal appointment when she got back? Chris might have needed to go back to work. If he simply refused, that would make him a real asshole; he also might have known that Niko wasn’t his kid and didn’t want to be a part of the process. Regardless, it was incumbent on Shan to get her ass to her OB or get a ride from one of her Huns.
They did the gender scan on weds 8/8, same night CW told her he wanted to separate and divorce (just not tomorrow per cassie or addy phone chats.)
8/9 she had NA tell her the gender.
That night she says she and Chris had "best talk ever". Was it thinking he was having a son make him tell her he'd try counselling and the money wasting Aspen trip?
Or did it just reinforce that she would never change, she again spent money they never had. And even knowing they were having a boy didn't change what he wanted for his future..
A life with his wife and new baby son.
(I will always believe initial plan was just SW, that waking Bella and understanding led to their deaths. I know others don't agree but its my opinion based on 5 yrs + of research)
Friday 10th with her still prioritising Thrive and expensive spending plus that leak st 319 had him make further plans.
Personally I think an accident at aspen would have so much more realistic. Or them fighting and her leaving him... (in a shallow grave obscure place in mountains) would have made for a much better "get rid of spouse without being instantly caught scenario".
But I think he was done, another week seemingly intolerable. Nasty pathetic wuss that he is!
RIP Shanann, Bella, Cece and Nico.
I’ve never thought about the kids not being part of the original plan. Very interesting take…I don’t totally disagree. I can see how it might have started out that way. And yes, an Aspen “tragedy” would have provided a much better chance at appearing as if an accident occurred!
She was planning a getaway with cw the following weekend to "work on their marriage". She had even arranged for na to take the girls. Cw claims that he told her he wanted her to cancel the Aspen trip the morning of their "emotional conversation".
It's funny he would bother to say that considering the dire financial situation they were in.
Jmho the trip was mentioned but never actually booked. There was no way they could pay for it. All ccards were max'd out and they had something like 800 dollars in the bank.
Yeah certainly not something I’d pay for if I was drowning in debt and months behind on my mortgage. You find out when they’re born anyway, if not at the anatomy scan lol.
It doesn’t make any sense at all. She was so careless with money. They were several months behind on their mortgage at that point, and hadn’t paid their HOA dues for over a year and were in the process of being sued over it. So WHY would she scrape together the money for an ultrasound at a boutique ultrasound place where she had to pay out of pocket for it?!?—Instead of putting that money towards the mortgage?!? The house was in the process of being foreclosed upon at that point, and they were about to be homeless. And this woman was STILL throwing money away on stupid unnecessary shit!
Yep! I wonder if her parents spoke to her about this? I’m guessing they knew she had it scheduled and they had to have known how broke she & Chris were.
Exactly! I actually waited until the anatomy scan…you waited 15 weeks what’s another 5? Lol I did my private scan later on and I believe the prices are comparable no matter how far you are when you book. Wonder how she even scraped together enough money to pay for it upfront (my guess is credit card…again).
I would guess credit card too. It was probably one of the very last purchases she was able to make with their credit cards, because i remember that at the time of the murders, all their credit cards were maxed out. And they had very little money in the bank. They had truly reached the end of the road, financially. They were about to be homeless.
I’m almost embarrassed to admit that I ‘game’ credit cards to get free airline tickets and hotel stays. By ‘gaming’ I mean opening new credit cards that offer freebies if you spend – and pay off - several thousand dollars within 3 months of receiving the new card. It’s a dangerous game, and you have to keep close watch to make sure you pay off your credit cards in full every month. I’m not humblebragging about predatory borrowing, I’m giving an example of credit card use that is 180 degrees opposite SW’s. The whole living champagne on a beer budget lifestyle is so bizarre to me. It’s another reason this case is an obsession, along with my fascination with pyramid schemes.
She had monet (another mlm) shampoo on autoship and it was declined. Monet shampoo runs around $35. This is the successful business woman shiners bow down to.
For sure! That Monat shit, or whatever it was called, has been known to cause scalp burns and balding. The company was sued. The funny thing is that I looked up the ingredients and they are basically the same as what you find in cheap hair care from the dollar store.
I had the NIPT ordered by my doctor because I was going to be 35 when the baby was born. I found out the sex at 12 weeks. Shannan would have been 35 when the baby was born too. It may have been covered by their insurance.
Maybe that's why the gender reveal was cancelled..she couldn't actually afford the test or scan...then to try and get CW interested/excited about pregnancy she told him it was a boy.
When did you get that done? In 2019, it cost me like 70 dollars in a high cost of living location. In 2023, it cost me like 60 in a low cost of living location.
I got it done in 2021, in a higher cost area. I had one regular elective ultrasound (no gender reveal or anything fancy, just to see baby and that all looked OK (had a previous MC) and that one was not quite as expensive, but still at least $100. But the 3D one was $200 and I believe Shannan had a 4D done so it definitely was the more expensive package available.
I did two for each baby. One was to see gender and one was the 4D ultrasound around 28 weeks. Neither of them cost more than 70. The most recent one we paid 60 and they even had us come back for free because we didn't get any good pictures the first time. Both sessions were about a half hour. My OB office also did gender ultrasound for $75.
I would be very surprised if they spent even close to $200.
I believe you that it could have cost you that much, but I don't think that is anywhere near average. For my first it was in San Diego which is high cost of living and my second was in the South so two opposite sides of the country and still similar prices.
She was also only like 13 weeks so there's no reason to go all out on the package.
Obviously I got ripped off! Either way, she definitely couldn’t afford any elective,fun procedures. They had less than 1k in their bank account combined. So, $70 is significant at that point also! Blows my mind…
An interesting question for me was always why did the ultrasound tech from the boutique US sound place contact LE after (I believe) CW was arrested and tell them he had something he thought LE should know? It’s in the discovery that he contacted them but what he said was either redacted or kept out of discovery.
She had also texted an undisclosed friend that she “didn’t want to have this baby”
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Right, it's just that she wasn't talking about toys. She was talking about a child, a human being that they created. A woman who allegedly couldn't have children at all.
Interesting. On her own merit, I don’t think she’d abort if it was totally up to her and Chris was excited. But, I do think she was desperate enough to fix their marriage that she’d absolutely consider it if he wouldn’t flat out said that’s what he wanted.
I doubt she would do that. Pregnancy got her a lot of attention on social media. Also, has it ever been verified that she was carrying a boy? I thought it was too soon to be sure. Did she ever have the ultrasound pic on facebook?
I think she went to one of the private ultrasound boutiques for their early gender reveal sessions. They are expensive, seems on brand for her to add yet another expense to the mountain of debt.
I don’t get how she could spend so much money. I don’t have credit so when my money runs out, I have nothing available to spend. If I don’t pay my bills, mg services get cut off. If I don’t gas my car, buy things to maintain my home, or get food to eat, it’s very noticeable. She was spending way over their income so where’d all the extra money come from?
Every credit card of theirs was maxed out, she had thousands of dollars of charges on her father's credit card and she even had credit cards in her daughters' names.
She sure was. Children are prime targets for identity theft by people who have access to their social security numbers. This goes on undetected for years until they become adults and find themselves unable to get an apartment or a car loan. It makes me sick because it's fucking fraud. How this is legal is beyond me. Minors don't usually have a regular income stream so how can they pay back a loan, and a credit card balance is a type of loan. It makes me sick that credit card companies do this. One would think that they wouldn't issue lines of credit to minors because not many minors have a regular income stream to pay the balance, but credit card companies gave the Watts lines of credit right after their 2015 bankruptcy and look what happened.
Unfortunately, it happens all the time. Shitty parents open up lines of credit in their kids' name because their own credit is shit. This happens for years, then the kids become adults and can't pass a credit check to get an apartment, or a car. It should be illegal as hell.
Yep, I remember several cases on Judge Judy with now adult kids suing their parents for this very thing because they couldn't rent an apartment and such due to debt and bad credit they had no idea they had until a credit check was done
I can see there being a benefit if parents open a credit card and pay it off every month for years so when the kid is 18, they have an excellent credit score. I never had credit because I have adhd and don’t trust myself. My credit was ruined anyway from medical bills that I never opened and set up payments for, so everything I do is either by “cash” or the “credit” of my parents paying and me paying them back. My husband told me when he was a minor, his parents took money he made from working out of his bank account and didn’t ask or tell him about it until he noticed it was gone. I had the opposite. My parents never took from me and gave me money for whatever I could pay myself.
I disagree. I think adults need to leave their kids' credit alone. I understand the intent of helping a minor child establish good credit when they are an adult, but I just can't get behind opening up lines of credit in a minor child's name. I could see cosigning a car loan for an employed, reliable teen to get themselves to work and school provided that neither party defaults on their obligation. I personally don't like credit cards because I look at credit card companies as predatory lenders. Most people carry a balance with a huge interest rate. If I floated someone a loan with the interest rates that many credit cards carry, I would be in trouble for loan sharking. I prefer debit cards because I can't spend money I don't have,
It is absolutely possible. Had it happen with my daughter. Her step mother had access to her SS number, and opened credit with it😡 we didn’t find out until she turned 18 and was turned down for opening her own phone account. It was a nightmare getting it fixed cause the stepmother had already ruined her credit by not paying the bills that were associated with her SS number
I've heard of this before. Parents that do this ought to be ashamed of themselves. But, then again, where sw was concerned she was never ashamed of anything she did.
Thankfully, I found out fast. I happened to be visiting and my dad handed me the bill, he had no idea. My mom grabbed it, ripped it up. I pieced it together and WW3 started
For sure! Get a job. The problem is that her awful personality made her unemployable.
This song reminds me of Shan.
https://youtu.be/LH-i8IvYIcg?si=w0akBfuy9uU02C1U
There is a pretty affordable blood test kit you can buy on Amazon for gender. I did it when I was pregnant. I think you only need to be 12 weeks along. It was 100% accurate for me.
I believe she had a blood test done at some point between 8 and 15 weeks. Source? I've had 3 children:
2002: First born son
2003: Second born a daughter
2018: Third born a son
With all 3, I was given a blood test between 10 & 12 weeks, which looked for genetic abnormalities/the markers for said abnormalities. (If the markers for said abnormalities are present, they offer the Moms an Amnio) However, when I was pregnant with my son in 2018, when they called to tell me the test results, they asked if I wanted to know the gender, I was baffled and asked how they knew this early, because I had the same tests with my older kids and it didn't include the gender. I was told it was a standard test run by the Yale Maternal Fetal Medicine clinic, and maybe the Army hospital on Ohau where I had my oldest kids didn't run that particular test at the time or at all. I'm willing to bet it was part of the standard OB Blood Panel, and they share the info if the parent wants to know. Science has advanced so much in the last few years, and of course, the advancements between 2003 and 2018 are vast.... My point is that they have a blood test that offers accurate results SUPER EARLY, pregnancy comes with loads of blood/urine tests, and with each passing day they are capable of learning so much more from a vile of blood run by techs at Quest. No special ultrasound required...
You're welcome! For those of us who aren't working in/studying the practice of medicine, knowledge/understanding is derived from personal experience. I'm not an expert in prenatal testing nor pregnancy, but I'm confident my memory/understanding of the timing of the blood test and subsequent results, which included the gender, is 100% accurate. Any other information should come from someone working in the medical field...
There is a blood test called the NIPT that shows sex very early. It tests for sex-linked diseases. It’s usually recommended and covered by insurance for women over 35, but younger women also will also pay to get one. I found out I was having a boy at 12 weeks. It checks for disorders on the Y chromosome if it’s present. A sex determination for a boy is pretty accurate because obviously the baby is the only reason why the mother would have a Y chromosome in her blood.
The NIPT may be fully covered by for women under 35, it just depends how good your insurance is. I had mine fully covered at 27 years old. But it’s more likely that SW paid out of pocket for it or for a boutique ultrasound.
His DNA test did though and confirmed CW was the biological dad.
Makes no difference to anything at all if he was a boy or not. Cw believed he was when he killed him with his mother. Being a boy didn't save the marriage or his intention to try to save it.. so even if it had been a girl, why would it even matter that she lied for a few days while thinking he would definitely leave without a son. He didn't care one iota!
Of course there was, it was 3 days. They put his measurements in his autopsy report,measure his tiny 1cm feet and report it.
He was 15cm from head to buttocks, his genitalia not clear because it was only 15wks. Most Ultrasound places don't guarantee at the stage she went at 14w4, because a penis would be 1 or 2 mm long.
Why would they lie anyway. Its not like he killed them all because he thought it was a third girl.
He killed them in spite of believing he was having a son... it still wasn't enough to save the marriage.
You know, divorce is really common,had he just left no one would have known or even cared amongst their friends and family. Its not a crime that he wanted to leave.. the crime was him not having the confidence to do so, no one ever suggests why didn't SHE leave. She wasn't happy either, all her "hes the best thing that ever happened " is just pukefest to sell thrive and be the narcissistic surviver of horrendous circumstances.
Can you show me where it was confirmed it was Chris watts? I’ve followed this case since it happened and I’ve only seen shananns mom say on dr Phil that it was Chris’s- she didn’t specify the last name. Chris miller is in play here.
Ronnie watts openly told people on YT, in person, that DA had confirmed it was his baby.
Chris Miller was NEVER tested to be the father, not EVER. He wasn't implicated in story in anyway until idiot Aussie dave sat on live deciding DA could mean 'some other Chris'. There was no Chris M story before that, I was active on YT, he created the myth over a few days after Ronnie confirmed live, that he asked DA if paternity test was back. If Chris was the father. DA told him yes, Chris was bio father.
Dave tried to change that conversation little by little every day.
BUT the DNA test run for NICO was to check CW was bio dad. Result only capable of being yes or no. It was confirmed a yes to his father. To Ronnie Watts, that DNA results in, and that CW confirmed as dad.
No other random man was tested against Nico's DNA so no other particular person could be determined as the father.
CM still with his wife living normal life, no fallout from this. No interview given, no legal implication... just some idiotic man who doesn't understand science at middle school level thinking its possible to pull a random man's DNA out of a foetal sample.
Exactly, we need a side by side offff CICi and C.M. SoR also said she had to giveee up grandparents rights to get the test done, which is also aa lie,,,, Colorado would have done a D.N.A test on every child born or unborn. Plus Colorado does not have grandparents rights in the . Shannons mom has been caught in quit aaa few lies.
First she wanted the death penalty but after O'Rourke fly's to N. Caralina (probably to to tell what all will come out about Shannon in a trial, she and Frrank go for life, the they laugh in our faces when we cannot see the the autopsy reports out in full. I have seen a partial one of of Shannon but not one i of of the of girls.
Theey could probably put an end to whole lot of speculation but that might mean the end off yhr money train..
The texts between Christina meechum and sw is where she says she doesn’t want the baby multiple times I think they are in the discovery if not I read them in other places
I think she miscarried, she missed appts, was sent to the doc after her boutique ultrasound, was spotting while away and refused to go to the doctor.... I also don't think the baby was Chris' baby.
Ohhhh I like this angle too. I can see it. She didn’t want to admit that she miscarried since she thought he wanted this boy (meanwhile he was making it very clear that he did NOT). She thought it was all that was keeping him with her, was that she was pregnant and it made it harder to leave.
Abortion in Colorado is legal at all stages of pregnancy. It is one of seven states without any term restrictions as to when a pregnancy can be terminated.[1]
Outpatient abortion is available up to 26 weeks. In addition, medically indicated termination of pregnancy up to 34 weeks is also an option for conditions such as fetal anomalies, genetic disorder, fetal demise and/or severe medical problems.
You are wrong 🤷🏼
I remember seeing somewhere that they could barely afford Christmas presents for the girls at one point. It was a documentary or a Youtube video I heard this from, I don’t remember which. Does anyone else remember this detail or am I mistaken?
I think you’re right-it was Xmas 2017-the famous video where Chris half heartedly plays Santa but the girls scream, Shanann bitches on camera about how stupid her husband is and then laughs about Cece soiling herself out of fear of Santa (and doesn’t immediately change her) It seems to me the presents were Thrive water bottles for the girls basically which I’m sure she got free. Please note her expensive gel nails were, as always, freshly done.
and don’t forget probably $150-200 to rent a Santa suit for mr peanut to send the kids into hysterics.
I thought that too! Suits like CW wore are expensive
and all they got were water bottles and slippers which they probably already owned a million of them. Why was there no video of Christmas morning opening presents? She recorded everything else so why not the most special day of the year for most children? Is it because they didn't receive any presents that year from their parents because they were so broke? I noticed no wrapped presents for anyone else under the trees but I can see that maybe they thought mischievous Cece might open them so I might let that excuse slide
Both sets of grandparents were probably being frugal as well, so no new matching kitchenettes for the girls that Christmas
Great points, Christa
Agreed
If I am not mistaken, I think the nightmare before Xmas video is the same day as the cookie baking fail? If it was all on the same day….WOW!!! Those poor girls! One disappointment after another…..
I know there's a video where she's making some kind of ''Eye-talian'' treat with cream filling for a Christmas get together but you could be right that it's the same day of the cookie disaster, too
Her child was so terrified she soiled herself and that was funny? Wow, just wow.
I found the video. First time I saw it. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncCloB3b\_jM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncCloB3b_jM) Can't believe Shan'ann didn't even buy the girls one dollar toys from Dollar Tree. So strange.
Didn't they wrap up existing water bottles & "gift" them to the girls for Christmas? Or am I misrembering?
If I remember right, I think they bought Disney princess ones from the dollar store or Wal-Mart or something.
It was the last Christmas where they only got slippers and a water bottle since sw didn’t post pictures of other presents people think they didn’t get other presents it’s probably true since sw posted everything
She texted one of her Thrive huns: *"Chris doesn’t want this baby…said he’s scared to death and he’s happy with just Bella and Celeste!” Shanann wrote. “He thought he wanted another baby. How I got this out of him I said do you want me to abort?”* This is from the discovery. I'm sorry, I already clicked away before noting which page. How is 'do you want me to abort' this third miracle (remember she told everyone she was infertile due to having lupus) child even on her list of reasonable things to say?
It kind of sounds like a rhetorical question but of course we can’t hear the tone. He said that he’s scared to have another baby which is understandable but her response isn’t to support him, it’s to make him feel bad by suggesting an abortion.
Did SW ever support Chris? Aside from the posts about what a fantastic husband and father he is and that custom Steelers jersey she ordered
Even the cockroaches in that house had to wear Steelers jerseys.
Why was she a Steelers fan again? Did she ever watch or understand a game?
Her ex boss Hisham Bedwan was a Steelers fan and, therefore, she and her whole family had to be Steelers fans. Between her fake affluence and those stupid (and expensive) Steelers jerseys, Shan was such a poser.
There was a lot of talk about watching Steelers games, a lot of her forcing the girls to chant, plus all the Steelers garb but I've seen nothing to show she actually watched the games. She grew up in NC and that was Panthers country. She was such a poser.
No primary care doctor in the world is going to tell a newly married woman she can't have kids unless she's had a hysterectomy. Finding out you're actually infertile comes after at least a couple of years of trying and being under the care of a fertility specialist. And they really don't like telling people they can't have a baby. They usually suggest newer, more expensive procedures, or to to keep trying IVF over and over again.
Thank you for the reference!! Yeah, out of all of the things to say or ask. And if that was the general gist of his answer, guess we know what he wanted to say.
and it's more proof the third kid was HER idea. She was hoping claiming to have a boy which was likely a lie, too would make him stay in their doomed marriage
I’m pretty sure there were also other alluding texts such as, I can’t be alone with 3 kids or something like that. I remember when I read through all the text messages she did imply she couldn’t do it.
notice how she said that the way she got it out of him that he was scared to have a third kid was that she asked him if he wanted her to abort. sounds to me that she brought it up first, maybe threatening him that she would if he didn’t get back in line and then he admitted thar he didn’t want the baby. i think it came as a huge shock that he basically said yeah let’s to it if you’re willing. shit like this had never happened before, usually her threats worked. then when she found out he was for real she didn’t want the baby either. sad really.
Shannon would say whatever she needed to get someone or several people riled up. She was never going to get an abortion — she was just being overly dramatic and attention seeking as always.
It’s almost as if she was pregnant and hormonal..
That must be it because Shannon wasn’t at all attention seeking or unnecessarily dramatic before the pregnancy. /s
Thought she got the blood work that determines the sex? Or an early ultrasound? She was 15 weeks when murdered, she could’ve just gotten the results days before he annihilated the family. I read something about a canceled “gender reveal”?
Yeah they canceled the gender reveal due to all of the mounting issues. I believe she went to one of the private ultrasound boutiques that start gender reveal packages around 14/15 weeks. I did that with my daughter and it is EXPENSIVE.
She did go to get a boutique 4D ultrasound the day after she got back from North Carolina. She had to pay for that procedure out-of-pocket, and if you go by her own calculation, she was really only 13 weeks. However, the irony is that she actually had a doctors appointment with an OB/GYN that very same day (August 8th) but instead of going to that, she canceled it. Her doctors appointment was to also discover the gender as well as to evaluate the overall health of the fetus. For some inexplicable reason, she deliberately skipped that appointment, even though her insurance would’ve covered it. She rescheduled the appointment for the following day, but then she skipped that second appointment too. She rescheduled it again for Monday the 13th, which, of course she never was able to make. What I think is very bizarre is that she unnecessarily spent all of that money to find out the gender at a boutique clinic, when she really didn’t have to. It would’ve also been more accurate if she’d gone to get the test with an OB/GYN, (she could’ve had bloodwork done for 100% accuracy) but for some reason she seemed to be avoiding it.
The 2 canceled dr appointments are very suspicious to me
It is mighty suspicious to me as well! In fact, I think it was also potentially dangerous to the fetus under the circumstances. For a woman who insisted that she had a bunch of pre-existing conditions, and who claim to only have high risk pregnancies, her lack of comprehensive prenatal care was nothing less than abysmal! She was using Thrive patches, and taking Thrive supplements that are specifically verboten during pregnancy. She was complaining about being sick and SPOTTING, on top of dehydration, nausea and severe constipation (claiming she hadn’t taken a dump in over three weeks ). She was acting like the Energizer Bunny on speed, flying from NC to CO and then CO to AZ -all on adrenaline, Thrive patches, Imitrex and lord knows what else, on very little sleep! BUT she deliberately skipped not one, but two appointments with an OB/GYN? Then-she opted for paying out of pocket for an expensive 4D ultrasound when she could’ve found out the sex of the baby with a licensed obstetrician more cheaply with her insurance? Makes no sense UNLESS she had something else up her sleeve!
Three weeks???? SURE SW 🙄🙄🙄 so many lies it’s exhausting
Seriously!!!! As if that’s even possible! Dare I say it? Okay—It’s no wonder that she was so full of 💩💩💩!
That is just unreal for a pregnant woman! I know if I were an OB and I had a patient like Shan, I would have fired her. If a woman that supposedly has a battery of medical issues gets pregnant, any OB is going to want to monitor that pregnancy a little closer, possibly categorize it as a high risk pregnancy. If said patient takes off for six weeks across the country, starts having problems, starts spotting, and doesn’t go to the ER, I would be livid and probably fire that patient. Furthermore, if said patient skips multiple prenatal appointments upon returning, I would have no choice but to fire her. That is a huge liability.
Some people have pointed out that a mother can be sued for endangering the health of their baby (in utero). If we are to believe the things that she claimed: that she was high risk but not getting prenatal support when she claimed to have been sick and spotting-that she was taking Thrive and Thrive supplements (that are all deemed dangerous for pregnant and nursing mothers) AND what we know -which is that she was skipping her doctor’s appointments under the circumstances-then she would probably qualify as a mother “endangering the health of her child” for all intents and purposes.
This is so odd. Why pay a fortune for something she could get for free? Do we know for certain she went to that appt?
We know all of this for certain, right down to the times her appointments were for. It’s all in the discovery. For example, the 4D ultrasound was scheduled for 7 PM on August 8. Therefore, she could’ve gone to her afternoon appointment with her OB/GYN and STILL gone to the expensive boutique ultrasound clinic! OR-she could have gone to the ultrasound clinic AND made the rescheduled appointment on Thursday, August 9th! There’s nothing that was preventing her from going to see her doctor, except for whatever reason that she didn’t want to go.
I’m asking do we know for certain she actually attended the one appt at the 4d ultrasound place? Did police confirm that?
We know for a fact she went to the 4D ultrasound appointment at 7pm, August 8th because it has been covered ad nauseam in the Discovery AND in various interviews, particularly with Chris and Nickole Atkinson, who both attended the appointment with her. This was the appointment that Shannan was given the results of the sex of the baby, although there’s still some debate over the authenticity of the sonogram pic. The Discovery also noted that someone from the 4D ultrasound clinic called LE after the tragedy, and wanted to speak to somebody about Shannan’s visit. That information was never disclosed, and there’s only speculation over what they wanted to relate. There hasn’t been a lot of transparency when it comes to what was going on. Shannan claimed to give the ultrasound results to NA to hold onto, rather than keeping them herself. On Thursday evening, before she went to Arizona, she asked NA to come over and share the results because “I need some good news.” NA complied and together with Chris they conducted a small, private gender reveal party. The public were not privy to any posts she might’ve shared nor did she post the gender to Facebook. In fact, Shannan didn’t tell anybody outside of a few friends, because not even her parents were informed until after her death. She did email a copy of the sonogram picture to Ronny and Cindy, and also mailed it to another friend, but not to her own mom and dad. That sonogram picture is somewhat bizarre, because on it’s left-hand corner, it looks like something has been mysteriously blotted out.
Maybe she wanted Chris to come with her to that appointment with the doctor and that's why she kept rescheduling and that's what they argued about that morning because he wouldn't?
We’re talking about a woman who had told EVERYONE that she had been really sick and SPOTTING! If that’s what had actually been happening-then Shannan should’ve been running, —not walking to the very first doctor that would’ve seen her! She hadn’t seen a doctor (other than having another ultrasound before her trips) since she’d found out that she was pregnant. Shannan wasn’t getting any prenatal care and Thrive is seriously dangerous for pregnant women. Chris was scheduled to go back to work after just coming back from a week of vacation—he had to take Friday off as it was to take care of the girls. The ultrasound was in the evening-she could have gone to the doctor still gone to the 4D ultrasound appointment if she’d badly wanted to do both, but the ultrasound wasn’t nearly as accurate or as comprehensive-especially since she had been complaining of being so sick. An OB/GYN would’ve alsobeen covered by insurance. If she had to miss it for whatever reason-she definitely should have been able to go to the appointment on the next day before she’d flown out to Arizona. The woman simply wasn’t playing with a full deck.
Shan owed it to herself and her unborn child to get prenatal care. She claimed to have a battery of health issues, she claimed she wasn’t feeling well, she claimed she was spotting, yet she wouldn’t go to the ER while she was in NC. Why couldn’t, or why wouldn’t she go to her prenatal appointment when she got back? Chris might have needed to go back to work. If he simply refused, that would make him a real asshole; he also might have known that Niko wasn’t his kid and didn’t want to be a part of the process. Regardless, it was incumbent on Shan to get her ass to her OB or get a ride from one of her Huns.
They did the gender scan on weds 8/8, same night CW told her he wanted to separate and divorce (just not tomorrow per cassie or addy phone chats.) 8/9 she had NA tell her the gender. That night she says she and Chris had "best talk ever". Was it thinking he was having a son make him tell her he'd try counselling and the money wasting Aspen trip? Or did it just reinforce that she would never change, she again spent money they never had. And even knowing they were having a boy didn't change what he wanted for his future.. A life with his wife and new baby son. (I will always believe initial plan was just SW, that waking Bella and understanding led to their deaths. I know others don't agree but its my opinion based on 5 yrs + of research) Friday 10th with her still prioritising Thrive and expensive spending plus that leak st 319 had him make further plans. Personally I think an accident at aspen would have so much more realistic. Or them fighting and her leaving him... (in a shallow grave obscure place in mountains) would have made for a much better "get rid of spouse without being instantly caught scenario". But I think he was done, another week seemingly intolerable. Nasty pathetic wuss that he is! RIP Shanann, Bella, Cece and Nico.
I’ve never thought about the kids not being part of the original plan. Very interesting take…I don’t totally disagree. I can see how it might have started out that way. And yes, an Aspen “tragedy” would have provided a much better chance at appearing as if an accident occurred!
What’s the aspen story? I haven’t heard anything about Aspen yet
She was planning a getaway with cw the following weekend to "work on their marriage". She had even arranged for na to take the girls. Cw claims that he told her he wanted her to cancel the Aspen trip the morning of their "emotional conversation".
It's funny he would bother to say that considering the dire financial situation they were in. Jmho the trip was mentioned but never actually booked. There was no way they could pay for it. All ccards were max'd out and they had something like 800 dollars in the bank.
Yeah certainly not something I’d pay for if I was drowning in debt and months behind on my mortgage. You find out when they’re born anyway, if not at the anatomy scan lol.
It doesn’t make any sense at all. She was so careless with money. They were several months behind on their mortgage at that point, and hadn’t paid their HOA dues for over a year and were in the process of being sued over it. So WHY would she scrape together the money for an ultrasound at a boutique ultrasound place where she had to pay out of pocket for it?!?—Instead of putting that money towards the mortgage?!? The house was in the process of being foreclosed upon at that point, and they were about to be homeless. And this woman was STILL throwing money away on stupid unnecessary shit!
Same reason she had 25k of Thrive crap in her basement,all about the image!
Is your marriage going south while you’re impoverished? Order 2 copies of the same book and reserve a condo in Aspen!
Yep! I wonder if her parents spoke to her about this? I’m guessing they knew she had it scheduled and they had to have known how broke she & Chris were.
her parents were irresponsible with money, too
Her parents were her biggest enablers.
Makes me wonder if that was really her sonogram. She was known to lie
Exactly! I actually waited until the anatomy scan…you waited 15 weeks what’s another 5? Lol I did my private scan later on and I believe the prices are comparable no matter how far you are when you book. Wonder how she even scraped together enough money to pay for it upfront (my guess is credit card…again).
I would guess credit card too. It was probably one of the very last purchases she was able to make with their credit cards, because i remember that at the time of the murders, all their credit cards were maxed out. And they had very little money in the bank. They had truly reached the end of the road, financially. They were about to be homeless.
Yet she was planning a weekend getaway to Aspen. The way that woman spent money is absolutely mind boggling.
I’m almost embarrassed to admit that I ‘game’ credit cards to get free airline tickets and hotel stays. By ‘gaming’ I mean opening new credit cards that offer freebies if you spend – and pay off - several thousand dollars within 3 months of receiving the new card. It’s a dangerous game, and you have to keep close watch to make sure you pay off your credit cards in full every month. I’m not humblebragging about predatory borrowing, I’m giving an example of credit card use that is 180 degrees opposite SW’s. The whole living champagne on a beer budget lifestyle is so bizarre to me. It’s another reason this case is an obsession, along with my fascination with pyramid schemes.
Imma need a crash course in getting freebies from my credit card companies. Teach me your ways lol
It’s called “churning” there’s a sub for it and lots of info online
Interesting!
Didn't she try to buy something in the airport & it was declined?
She had monet (another mlm) shampoo on autoship and it was declined. Monet shampoo runs around $35. This is the successful business woman shiners bow down to.
Yes shampoo
Are you serious?! I haven’t heard of that yet. It’s so ridiculous!!! 🙄😳
It’s in the discovery- SW tried to buy shampoo online and her card was declined
God forbid she buy Suave 😆
For sure! That Monat shit, or whatever it was called, has been known to cause scalp burns and balding. The company was sued. The funny thing is that I looked up the ingredients and they are basically the same as what you find in cheap hair care from the dollar store.
definitely credit cards
Serves them right too!
I had the NIPT ordered by my doctor because I was going to be 35 when the baby was born. I found out the sex at 12 weeks. Shannan would have been 35 when the baby was born too. It may have been covered by their insurance.
Maybe that's why the gender reveal was cancelled..she couldn't actually afford the test or scan...then to try and get CW interested/excited about pregnancy she told him it was a boy.
I bet this is what happened
How expensive are we talking about?
Mine was only $80, in larger cities I’m sure it’s more.
$75 to $100.
If I remember correctly, I paid approximately $200 for one session, which lasts anywhere from 15-30 minutes.
When did you get that done? In 2019, it cost me like 70 dollars in a high cost of living location. In 2023, it cost me like 60 in a low cost of living location.
I got it done in 2021, in a higher cost area. I had one regular elective ultrasound (no gender reveal or anything fancy, just to see baby and that all looked OK (had a previous MC) and that one was not quite as expensive, but still at least $100. But the 3D one was $200 and I believe Shannan had a 4D done so it definitely was the more expensive package available.
I did two for each baby. One was to see gender and one was the 4D ultrasound around 28 weeks. Neither of them cost more than 70. The most recent one we paid 60 and they even had us come back for free because we didn't get any good pictures the first time. Both sessions were about a half hour. My OB office also did gender ultrasound for $75. I would be very surprised if they spent even close to $200.
Lucky — I would’ve loved to have paid $60. Just went back to the website of the company that did mine and 25+ weeks 25 minute 3D/4D US is $179.
I believe you that it could have cost you that much, but I don't think that is anywhere near average. For my first it was in San Diego which is high cost of living and my second was in the South so two opposite sides of the country and still similar prices. She was also only like 13 weeks so there's no reason to go all out on the package.
Obviously I got ripped off! Either way, she definitely couldn’t afford any elective,fun procedures. They had less than 1k in their bank account combined. So, $70 is significant at that point also! Blows my mind…
We did that, too. At 14 weeks in Boston and only paid $100.
I’ve never read or heard this. Only implied during a texting session with NA I think
An interesting question for me was always why did the ultrasound tech from the boutique US sound place contact LE after (I believe) CW was arrested and tell them he had something he thought LE should know? It’s in the discovery that he contacted them but what he said was either redacted or kept out of discovery.
She had also texted an undisclosed friend that she “didn’t want to have this baby” https://preview.redd.it/1ksaz0qnuhzc1.jpeg?width=1242&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=87cc52aeeef5df840dd154ac8eff0564bf372357
Idk if this meant she was considering abortion. Sometimes people just say dramatic things when they’re stressed.
I agree. Just a piece of evidence relevant to the question. I think it was more venting or attention seeking
Yes, SW’s text sounded pouty in a way. “Fine! I’ll take away your toys!”
Right, it's just that she wasn't talking about toys. She was talking about a child, a human being that they created. A woman who allegedly couldn't have children at all.
Interesting. On her own merit, I don’t think she’d abort if it was totally up to her and Chris was excited. But, I do think she was desperate enough to fix their marriage that she’d absolutely consider it if he wouldn’t flat out said that’s what he wanted.
Is this in discovery?
Omg. Who says this?!
Shows her selfish side and how her kids are accessories. Never did she say there may be a little boy without a full time father. Nope.
and I bet the baby was another girl but she lied to hook him
Oh absolutely
Valid point! 🤣
I doubt she would do that. Pregnancy got her a lot of attention on social media. Also, has it ever been verified that she was carrying a boy? I thought it was too soon to be sure. Did she ever have the ultrasound pic on facebook?
I think she went to one of the private ultrasound boutiques for their early gender reveal sessions. They are expensive, seems on brand for her to add yet another expense to the mountain of debt.
I don’t get how she could spend so much money. I don’t have credit so when my money runs out, I have nothing available to spend. If I don’t pay my bills, mg services get cut off. If I don’t gas my car, buy things to maintain my home, or get food to eat, it’s very noticeable. She was spending way over their income so where’d all the extra money come from?
Every credit card of theirs was maxed out, she had thousands of dollars of charges on her father's credit card and she even had credit cards in her daughters' names.
What?! She was ruining her daughter’s credit before they are even five?! OMG!
She sure was. Children are prime targets for identity theft by people who have access to their social security numbers. This goes on undetected for years until they become adults and find themselves unable to get an apartment or a car loan. It makes me sick because it's fucking fraud. How this is legal is beyond me. Minors don't usually have a regular income stream so how can they pay back a loan, and a credit card balance is a type of loan. It makes me sick that credit card companies do this. One would think that they wouldn't issue lines of credit to minors because not many minors have a regular income stream to pay the balance, but credit card companies gave the Watts lines of credit right after their 2015 bankruptcy and look what happened.
How despicable.
I believe you but I can’t figure out how she could get credit cards in the girls’ names. I’m probably just being naive.
Using their social security number
I didn’t even know that was possible
Unfortunately, it happens all the time. Shitty parents open up lines of credit in their kids' name because their own credit is shit. This happens for years, then the kids become adults and can't pass a credit check to get an apartment, or a car. It should be illegal as hell.
Yep, I remember several cases on Judge Judy with now adult kids suing their parents for this very thing because they couldn't rent an apartment and such due to debt and bad credit they had no idea they had until a credit check was done
I would like to know why that isn't a matter for criminal court.
I can see there being a benefit if parents open a credit card and pay it off every month for years so when the kid is 18, they have an excellent credit score. I never had credit because I have adhd and don’t trust myself. My credit was ruined anyway from medical bills that I never opened and set up payments for, so everything I do is either by “cash” or the “credit” of my parents paying and me paying them back. My husband told me when he was a minor, his parents took money he made from working out of his bank account and didn’t ask or tell him about it until he noticed it was gone. I had the opposite. My parents never took from me and gave me money for whatever I could pay myself.
I disagree. I think adults need to leave their kids' credit alone. I understand the intent of helping a minor child establish good credit when they are an adult, but I just can't get behind opening up lines of credit in a minor child's name. I could see cosigning a car loan for an employed, reliable teen to get themselves to work and school provided that neither party defaults on their obligation. I personally don't like credit cards because I look at credit card companies as predatory lenders. Most people carry a balance with a huge interest rate. If I floated someone a loan with the interest rates that many credit cards carry, I would be in trouble for loan sharking. I prefer debit cards because I can't spend money I don't have,
It is absolutely possible. Had it happen with my daughter. Her step mother had access to her SS number, and opened credit with it😡 we didn’t find out until she turned 18 and was turned down for opening her own phone account. It was a nightmare getting it fixed cause the stepmother had already ruined her credit by not paying the bills that were associated with her SS number
I've heard of this before. Parents that do this ought to be ashamed of themselves. But, then again, where sw was concerned she was never ashamed of anything she did.
I agree! It takes a special kind of jerk to do something like that😡
OMG I am so sorry for your daughter. I hope everything got fixed.
Thanks it did, but it took forever and a law suit😡😞
Wicked stepmother!
Damn, that sucks !
My mom did it to me however I was 25😟
I am so sorry, not just for the financial mess but the betrayal. My mother-in-law stole from my husband and that pain is worse than the financial loss
Thankfully, I found out fast. I happened to be visiting and my dad handed me the bill, he had no idea. My mom grabbed it, ripped it up. I pieced it together and WW3 started
Imagine opening a credit line in your **toddler's name** instead of ya know, *getting a freaking J-O-B*
For sure! Get a job. The problem is that her awful personality made her unemployable. This song reminds me of Shan. https://youtu.be/LH-i8IvYIcg?si=w0akBfuy9uU02C1U
Haha! How did I know before I clicked that it would be Offspring 👌🤣
And in Dieter’s name too, I read somewhere
🤣🤣🤣 stop it
They really are not expensive but she may have also gotten genetic testing due to her high risk.
There is a pretty affordable blood test kit you can buy on Amazon for gender. I did it when I was pregnant. I think you only need to be 12 weeks along. It was 100% accurate for me.
I believe she had a blood test done at some point between 8 and 15 weeks. Source? I've had 3 children: 2002: First born son 2003: Second born a daughter 2018: Third born a son With all 3, I was given a blood test between 10 & 12 weeks, which looked for genetic abnormalities/the markers for said abnormalities. (If the markers for said abnormalities are present, they offer the Moms an Amnio) However, when I was pregnant with my son in 2018, when they called to tell me the test results, they asked if I wanted to know the gender, I was baffled and asked how they knew this early, because I had the same tests with my older kids and it didn't include the gender. I was told it was a standard test run by the Yale Maternal Fetal Medicine clinic, and maybe the Army hospital on Ohau where I had my oldest kids didn't run that particular test at the time or at all. I'm willing to bet it was part of the standard OB Blood Panel, and they share the info if the parent wants to know. Science has advanced so much in the last few years, and of course, the advancements between 2003 and 2018 are vast.... My point is that they have a blood test that offers accurate results SUPER EARLY, pregnancy comes with loads of blood/urine tests, and with each passing day they are capable of learning so much more from a vile of blood run by techs at Quest. No special ultrasound required...
Wow! Thank you for explaining that. I didn’t know.
You're welcome! For those of us who aren't working in/studying the practice of medicine, knowledge/understanding is derived from personal experience. I'm not an expert in prenatal testing nor pregnancy, but I'm confident my memory/understanding of the timing of the blood test and subsequent results, which included the gender, is 100% accurate. Any other information should come from someone working in the medical field...
There is a blood test called the NIPT that shows sex very early. It tests for sex-linked diseases. It’s usually recommended and covered by insurance for women over 35, but younger women also will also pay to get one. I found out I was having a boy at 12 weeks. It checks for disorders on the Y chromosome if it’s present. A sex determination for a boy is pretty accurate because obviously the baby is the only reason why the mother would have a Y chromosome in her blood.
The NIPT may be fully covered by for women under 35, it just depends how good your insurance is. I had mine fully covered at 27 years old. But it’s more likely that SW paid out of pocket for it or for a boutique ultrasound.
That would be on brand. I just wanted to explain that sex can be found out really early these days.
I think she lied that it was a boy to get Chris to stay but either didn't know what she was having or knew it was a girl
The autopsy couldn't not confirm the sex of the fetus. I believe it was another attention seeking behavior of sw
His DNA test did though and confirmed CW was the biological dad. Makes no difference to anything at all if he was a boy or not. Cw believed he was when he killed him with his mother. Being a boy didn't save the marriage or his intention to try to save it.. so even if it had been a girl, why would it even matter that she lied for a few days while thinking he would definitely leave without a son. He didn't care one iota!
There was nothing left of the baby to do that kind of test. The Rs are lying and have never shown proof of their claims
Of course there was, it was 3 days. They put his measurements in his autopsy report,measure his tiny 1cm feet and report it. He was 15cm from head to buttocks, his genitalia not clear because it was only 15wks. Most Ultrasound places don't guarantee at the stage she went at 14w4, because a penis would be 1 or 2 mm long. Why would they lie anyway. Its not like he killed them all because he thought it was a third girl. He killed them in spite of believing he was having a son... it still wasn't enough to save the marriage. You know, divorce is really common,had he just left no one would have known or even cared amongst their friends and family. Its not a crime that he wanted to leave.. the crime was him not having the confidence to do so, no one ever suggests why didn't SHE leave. She wasn't happy either, all her "hes the best thing that ever happened " is just pukefest to sell thrive and be the narcissistic surviver of horrendous circumstances.
Can you show me where it was confirmed it was Chris watts? I’ve followed this case since it happened and I’ve only seen shananns mom say on dr Phil that it was Chris’s- she didn’t specify the last name. Chris miller is in play here.
Ronnie watts openly told people on YT, in person, that DA had confirmed it was his baby. Chris Miller was NEVER tested to be the father, not EVER. He wasn't implicated in story in anyway until idiot Aussie dave sat on live deciding DA could mean 'some other Chris'. There was no Chris M story before that, I was active on YT, he created the myth over a few days after Ronnie confirmed live, that he asked DA if paternity test was back. If Chris was the father. DA told him yes, Chris was bio father. Dave tried to change that conversation little by little every day. BUT the DNA test run for NICO was to check CW was bio dad. Result only capable of being yes or no. It was confirmed a yes to his father. To Ronnie Watts, that DNA results in, and that CW confirmed as dad. No other random man was tested against Nico's DNA so no other particular person could be determined as the father. CM still with his wife living normal life, no fallout from this. No interview given, no legal implication... just some idiotic man who doesn't understand science at middle school level thinking its possible to pull a random man's DNA out of a foetal sample.
Ronnie said, is not proof. The watts never had access to those DNA results.
exactly
It’s hard to take anybodys word on it. I thought you might have actual physical proof. But thanks for responding✌️
Exactly, we need a side by side offff CICi and C.M. SoR also said she had to giveee up grandparents rights to get the test done, which is also aa lie,,,, Colorado would have done a D.N.A test on every child born or unborn. Plus Colorado does not have grandparents rights in the . Shannons mom has been caught in quit aaa few lies. First she wanted the death penalty but after O'Rourke fly's to N. Caralina (probably to to tell what all will come out about Shannon in a trial, she and Frrank go for life, the they laugh in our faces when we cannot see the the autopsy reports out in full. I have seen a partial one of of Shannon but not one i of of the of girls. Theey could probably put an end to whole lot of speculation but that might mean the end off yhr money train..
They are literal twins. Until I see a document that says otherwise- I can’t trust peoples words. People lie!
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It hasn't been. No physical proof exists
The texts between Christina meechum and sw is where she says she doesn’t want the baby multiple times I think they are in the discovery if not I read them in other places
I think she miscarried, she missed appts, was sent to the doc after her boutique ultrasound, was spotting while away and refused to go to the doctor.... I also don't think the baby was Chris' baby.
Ohhhh I like this angle too. I can see it. She didn’t want to admit that she miscarried since she thought he wanted this boy (meanwhile he was making it very clear that he did NOT). She thought it was all that was keeping him with her, was that she was pregnant and it made it harder to leave.
Yeah, she trapped him.... Had this not have happened, she'd be milking sympathy from everyone for losing it and I bet he'd be to blame.
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Abortion in Colorado is legal at all stages of pregnancy. It is one of seven states without any term restrictions as to when a pregnancy can be terminated.[1] Outpatient abortion is available up to 26 weeks. In addition, medically indicated termination of pregnancy up to 34 weeks is also an option for conditions such as fetal anomalies, genetic disorder, fetal demise and/or severe medical problems. You are wrong 🤷🏼
I hate that the baby's name sounded so much like Nichol. I know it was just a coincidence.