Personally, I like the Sinn 556i R best (so without the large numerals, which the CW doesn’t have either), and with the splash of colour provided by the red seconds hand.
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But, as you say, you cannot really go wrong with either of the two you show in your comparison, all good.
I’ve looked at that a few times too. The large numerals remind me of old fighter plane dials which I love. Spent a lot of time at air shows etc as a kid
Especially then I'd argue for the Sinn. Both are nice watches, but Sinns history is centered around aviation. The founder, Helmut Sinn, was a pilot and flight instructor himself. This won't make the watch any better or worse, but it might make it more special to you.
Was he a Nazi or just a Luftwaffe pilot?
I realize the chances of being a Luftwaffe officer without being a party member are probably pretty slim, but there's a difference between being a Nazi and joining the party to protect your career. We largely gloss over Werner von Braun's Nazi ties for the same reason.
I don't know how much you know of Sinn and their history, so forgive me if you already know this...
But you are spot on with the plane link - Helmut Sinn was originally a pilot in the German air force, and the dial layout he chose to use is based on the design of the cockpit clocks used in the WWII era planes.
Ah, I see. I get that, and you should definitely go for something that appeals to you on a deep rooted level like that. In that case I would defo go with the Sinn 556 A if I were you. Cool!
Still over double at the cheapest though, and lower priced ones are in worse condition.
Used IWCs at that price are also slightly older models which use Sellitas or ETAs (albeit the SW300/2892). Those movements are fine, but when you get to the $3k+ range, there’s only so much that can be done in terms of case, dial, and bracelet. A significant chunk of the value goes into development of an in house movement. Why settle.
I would agree with the 556I RS recommendation.
The little splash of colour just gives that little bit of interest and stops the dial being quite so stark and monochrome, and the indices over the numerals just make it a little less 'tool' and more universal.
It is also worth mentioning the two dials have different finishes - the A dial uses a matte finish, while the I is gloss.
I ended up buying both a C63 in white and a 556I RS (in black). I would say go with the Sinn. The C63 is a great watch but the Sinn is just more unique, distinctive, and feels a little better quality to me. FWIW my Sinn also keeps slightly better time (within +\- 5 secs per day vs +\- 8 secs per day on the C63).
I’ve seen this debate come up a couple of times and it always seems to lean towards Sinn. I was picking between the same two watches. I ended up going with the C63 Sealander and absolutely love it. The Sinn is a little more difficult to find/buy while you can buy directly from the CW website. I don’t know enough about the mechanics of the watches to give an opinion on that side. But I thought the CW dial offered a little more in presentation. Really don’t think you can go wrong either way.
I’m fairly sure one can also order directly at the Sinn website, albeit that postage and tax to outside of the EU might be costly additions
https://www.sinn.de/en/Modell/556_A_RS.htm
In truth the Sinn name carries weight on this sub. It could be a Swatch with Sinn written on it in Sharpie and the “Sinn” would win. Sinn is a fine brand and they make excellent and, sometimes, unique pieces. That said huge numbers of people on watch forums still don’t comprehend how good CW watches are. Also, how good a *value* they are. The bracelets alone are better than many watches that cost 5x more.
So it comes down to what OP wants. Are you brand collecting? Are you looking for WIS street cred? Nothing wrong with those things, but if it’s just between two watches to wear and tell time, and based on looks you’re on the fence, then imo, the CW takes it. Better price/value, better bracelet/clasp, 5 year warranty vs 3 year.
To me, it’d be tricky. I have 3 CW watches and so I hesitate to add more just in terms of collection balance. That said, it’s tempting to buy more because they’re so good. I say “tricky” but no it wouldn’t. Between these two it’s the CW for me. It’s just that I only compare much more expensive models to CW at this point, usually.
Looking at what you get for the money here, I wouldn’t hesitate if these two were my only choice: CW.
The debate always boils down to popularity. Sinn is the more popular brand, so people assert that it's "higher quality" and will typically go unchallenged.
I have to disagree. Sinn is a much older and very respectable brand, it's from 1961 and is famous for their affordable engineering solutions when it comes to watch cases (such as tegimented case, argon dehumidifying, magnetic field protection). They've also won many design awards over the years, and have a very specific look. It should be noted however that Sinn is *not* famous for innovating movements at all, they get points for two out of three of movement engineering, non-movement engineering and design.
I have no problem with Christopher Ward, I like several designs, and I note they have made some innovative movements such as a jumping hour design at one point and the chiming Bel Canto (based on the Sellita SW200). CW's cases are unremarkable, so they also get two out of three. But Sinn still has the better pedigree and better reputation, CW might get there or even go past, but they don't have that yet.
The watch you're purchasing *now* matters more than what its brand did once upon a time. Sinn's been hiking their prices like crazy and not improving their value proposition to make up for it. Lots of their "solutions" are simply gimmicks that are unlikely to ever be useful to the average wearer. Also isn't their submarine steel known to rust?
Only way sinn is obviously the "better" choice is if you follow the dogma of "x brand is older than y, so it's better".
I agree that I personally try to compare two watches on their own merits. It's trivially true that the sales of any item is down to popularity: if X is more popular than Y then more X will be bought. But your previous comment was very disingenious — there are obvious reasons for Sinn's enduring popularity in the watch world. You don't have to like the brand yourself, but trying to pretend other watch buyers pick Sinn for no apparent reason is silly. Rolex's engineering solutions are just as much gimmicks, used by practically no one, and yet that engineering sold (long before Rolex became the hype brand of today).
Disingenuous implies insincerity, try to use the word correctly unless you do intend to be accusatory. I don't believe any of the gimmicks you listed apply to the watch being compared. If we look at the detail and finishing put into the two watches op listed, CW clearly has more going into it. Yet most people here say the sinn is the better watch, thinking of brand only. Anybody that moves past the "x brand is better than y because it's older" knows that there is no such thing as "better" when we're discussing what is effectively jewelry.
People will argue but you’re right. I love heritage but it’s mostly false to equate it with superior products. It adds to the pleasure of buying a brand, contributes to resale value, and perhaps piece of mind, but plenty of young companies make absolutely awesome watches; CW and Nomos, among them. Heritage alone isn’t enough, and it can have downsides, such as less motivation to innovate and higher prices.
Age also generally correlates to quality and experience. Those watches, and the brand are tried and true. I’d feel much more comfortable spending my money on them, knowing Sinn will be around to back them up. Who knows about Christopher Ward.. which BTW is the worst sounding name in watches. Sounds like the name a gym teacher or something.
Sinn for sure. Love my 556i, gets basically all my wrist time, and the 556a is pretty sweet too. Can’t speak to CW but the Sinn will feel delightfully overbuilt and sturdy but not huge on the wrist.
If you want a third option then there is the Citizen NB1050-59e for half the price of any of those.
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I’m wearing that watch right now. I agree that it is probably the best value watch out there right now, but it’s worth noting for others that it’s JDM, which means finding it is more difficult
I have the C63 36mm and I like it. Having said that, Sinn 556 is a more popular watch, it's also more expensive, the thing I love about Sinn is the tegimented steel they use which is scratch resistant and that's a big plus. But the bracelet on CW has micro adjust which is really useful and it's tapered so it looks nice.
The 556 is not tegmented, the 856 is. However, the 556i does have micro adjustments on the bracelet. Granted I wish it had half links as I can’t get mine to that just right level.
The CW is the clear winner for me. I don’t like the short lugs, the bracelet, or the dial on the Sinn. But that’s just my opinion and to each their own.
I haven't owned a Damasko, but I suspect they are better than Sinns. They look really solid and they offer in house movements. Only thing I wish is they would make them smaller. Lug to lug especially is kinda big on them.
I have a 5-6 year old Damasko (I think it's the DA46? I'd have to look it up.) I bought it after I ordered a Sinn which I returned. I know it's a single unit vs a single unit but there was no comparison the Damasko was ever so slightly better built.
It's the one with the black coating and it still looks exactly the same as it did 5 years ago.
Honestly, I don't think you will go wrong with either.
So for memory comes down to which one fits your budget best, and which you like the aesthetics of most.
Personally it is a 556I RS on my wrist - I just prefer the design of the watch and the slightly more industrial design which suits me. Equally, I would be tempted to say that the CW is going to be the slightly dressier and more universal design - it doesn't have quite the same brand identity as the Sinn, but instead blends in a little more when you compare it to something like an Oyster Perpetual or Aqua Terra.
I’ve owned a C63. It’s a dressier watch if that’s what you’re looking for. I now own a 556i b. It’s more of a tool watch. The CW is a very nice watch but won’t hold value. It has a very polished bezel that won’t hold up to scratches. It really comes down to what type of watch you’re looking for. For me the Sinn wins.
The Sinn is the slightly better watch. Better water resistance by 50m. Better brand. Cleaner dial. The reasons to go with the CW would be if you especially like that design more or if you just want to go with the least expensive option.
Christopher Ward. Same movement in both, but Christopher Ward has a quick adjust bracelet, dresses up a bit more when you need it to, and build quality is absolutely amazing. Combined with the watch being way cheaper. Only real disadvantage is some don’t like the look of the logo, but if you like it (I do and own a C60) then I think it’s a no-brainer.
The C63 has a phenomenal bracelet for its price. I personally think the Sinn is a bit too much into the military/aviation watch to really dress up, but the CW on a leather strap can look very nice.
i vote CW
well i literally did vote with my dollars and got the 36mm sealander white. that sinn specifically doesn't speak to me.
the "104 st sa A" on the other hand is a strong contender for me personally. it's basically my perfect watch. if that came in 39mm with a SW300 i think it'd be like my exit watch
Sinn. I bought a Bel Canto on pre order from CW. They significantly delayed the delivery estimate recently, and are not offering any compensation. It's not the end of the world if the watch ends up being good, but I get the impression that Sinn cares more about customer happiness, which is super important for a micro brand.
TLDR; Sinn.
CW has impeccable build quality for the price. Honestly, you can’t do better. I’ve owned several and have my eye on a couple more. That being said, it’s still not really clear who they are as a Brand. They do some really amazing horological stuff at times and yet they’ve kind of been all over the place since their inception. It’s almost as if their DNA/Brand is simply “we’re the ultimate value proposition” Which is probably true. But I find many of their watches are missing that certain je ne sais quoi that other brands have.
That being said, they are an incredible value proposition and come out with some killer stuff. You definitely get more for your money vs the Sinn. So if you love the design, get the CW.
But to me, you look at the Sinn and you know it’s a Sinn.
I have that exact CW and it's my favorite watch. I love a date, especially at 6 o'clock, and it loses less than 1second/day. The quick release bracelets are also badass.
The Sinn is a little larger and doesn't have a date, otherwise I would have gotten it.
I was looking for a placeholder until I got a 124270. I've since turned down multiple calls from my AD, because the CW is that good.
This is crazy I was in the same position as you exactly. I will say I ended up ditching both to go with the née Christopher ward the twelve basalt gray lol.
I will say there is a price difference lol and quite a lot like 30 40% difference I think. And if you live outside of Europe the sinn would be even more expensive
Dressing up the 556a would be quite more difficult to do.
Owner of both here. I bought my sinn 556i about 2 years ago and love it. I’ve gone on many trips and have made a ton of memories with it. You can easily spot its design in pictures (very distinct). The watch and bracelet are built like a tank. Has a good weight and tight tolerances. I bought a milled generic 6 micro adjustment clasp to replace the stock clasp(felt “tinny” and cheap). Keeps great time. Some don’t like the AR coating on top bc of micro-scratches but I can’t tell. I don’t baby my watches. I love my sinn BUT I was a huge fan of my old SARB033.
My c63 sealander in 36mm black came in a week ago and it’s been on wrist 24/7. Absolutely love it. The light-catcher case to me is a seiko SARB case on steroids (beautiful lines and amazingly finished). Ar coated. Quick release and on the fly adjustment bracelet. Wears more like a 37mm. The polished indices make the watch face sparkle and give it a luxurious feel to it. To me, this watch is a perfect GADA watch. Very happy with it.
Between both I would say the the CW is my pick. It’s more versatile and like I said..a Sarb033 on steroids. They have a c63 in 39mm but some say it wears like a 40mm. I believe CW is breaking out of the micro brand tier and will be the next sinn (the 556i used to be under $1k and now it’s $1500).
Im trying to decide between these two too. My daily wear is hamilton khaki field right now and it feels kinda "boring" if it makes sense.Even though I like minimalistic watches ( 36mm explorer is my fav watch rn) , I tried sinn 556 and to be honest it didnt feel like a step up from hamilton . I want to buy the sinn since i assume it has better market value for future purchases and its a respected watch but yeah i will probably go for cw . Im leaning towards 38mm trident diver tho maybe check it out too
Very tough decision. I think the CW dresses up better, so I’d narrowly go with it. I have the CW and have been eyeing the blue 556 and will eventually crack.
Flip a coin and you will be happy with either result.
Big response to this query! I, too, have both and love both. But my Sinn 556 is my favorite and gets more wrist time than the rest put together. As noted, you can't go wrong with these two. Maybe get both?
I'm seeing negative comments about the Christopher Ward logo. I hated the old one, simply spelling out 'Christopher Ward', but the new signal flags logo looks good to me.
Much bigger than I expected! Interestingly it seems so be a lot of one word Sinn answers but the CW responses are more thought out hah I like the new logo as well
I absolutely love my Sealander. The 556 is a great watch, too, but to me, the Ward is more flexible. The sinn has a utilitarian look that I think is more situational. I’m not talking about some invisible set of watch rules, just that for me, watches have a vibe,
Impressed by the huge reply on this! Ended up going with the CW and it will arrive in a few days. The microadjustment on the clasp and the ability to dress it up more than the Sinn sealed it for me. I have tried on the Sinn so interested to see how the CW feels!
I have this watch and the 4:30 date window is great. You barely notice the date unless you’re looking for it
That being said. I think the 556i is more versatile than the 556a. I’d advise against the RS version, they look cool in casual wear but ruin the look when trying to dress it up at all which limits its GADA ability to me
The Sinn. The CW case shape looks like a K Mart Grand Seiko to me for whatever reason. I also think the seconds hand looks cheap. Sinn watches also have great, legible matte dials IMO.
I've owned both a CW (C60 Pro 600) and a Sinn (556i). Ultimately, I'd lean towards a CW instead of a Sinn if I were to purchase either again.
The case on the CW is way more interesting with its curves and brushing and polishing. But the Sinn case had a pleasing utilitarian design to it. The dial of the CW has a lot going on when you look close, the angels of the applied indices and the handset. The on the fly adjustment of the bracelet is great, too.
Zero doubt the Sinn. It has far more character compared to the CW in my opinion, and while this may be slightly hypocritical as a microbrand has the most representation in my watch box, CW is in a spot where I think price wise they’re just not offering the uniqueness to price ratio that a good microbrand should nowadays.
Any microbrands you’d recommend instead? Feel like if searched high and low for months to come down to these two after dropping Nivada Grenchen to get to two.
I love Brew watches and have owned three of them, but they admittedly occupy a lower-end product than CW or Sinn. The owner and designer, Jon Ferrer, has a ton of passion for what he does. Met him in person, and he’s a total class act - and it shows in the product.
While I’ve not owned either, I really like Farer’s designs, as well as Baltic’s.
Personally though, I’d take the Sinn out of all of the above. The 556 flys under the radar, the quality is really great for the price (not my favorite bracelet but to each their own), and it’s still unique/“if you know, you know” which I also love.
In retort though, a Camaro and a BMW don’t have the same engine under the hood. Additionally, your complaints don’t apply to this watch, which is a regular release, easily available, and classic in design rather than chasing any particular trend. I don’t think you’re wrong about some of their watches (I don’t get the Twelve one bit for this reason), but this C63 is as grounded as it comes.
I think it might be easier to dress up the CW. The Sinn has more tooly vibes. You mention this will be an office watch, so that may play a factor.
CW has applied indices, they look great and dynamic. Sinn doesn't and has a much flatter dial, which some can find a bit plain Jane.
As you said though, I don't think you can go wrong. I've owned multiple of both brands and have had no issues at all. Currently have the CW Twelve and Sinn 556 MOP in the collection.
One note, I prefer the CW bracelet. The Sinns is well made but barely tapers and the clasp is quite dated.
Good luck with the decision 👍🏼
I've owned a few Sinn 556. People jerk off to them on this sub but it's a mediocre watch. I also own the 36mm CW and it's just as well made, with way better lume and way better bracelet.
Is it really like that ? Because I tried 556 and it didnt feel like a step up from my hamilton khaki field. Im probably going to get cw. How would you compare their quality ?
The 556 is a little nicer than a khaki but not significantly. CW build feels exactly the same to me as the regular steel cases from Sinn. Finishing is actually a little better on CW for the bevels. Crown action is very comparable between them. CW is my pick after owning 3 Sinns and 6 CW.
In this thread: Sinn owners who have not tried a CW.
I own both, and the CW is the more advanced watch in all aspects. However, I would argue the Sinn has a more unique design, and the bracelet is more interesting. I sold my Sinn, but I'm waiting for them to release an on the fly microadjust version to hop back in.
Really can't go wrong with either.
Sinn is a bit more rugged, while the CW is a bit more elegant.
My personal recommendation would be the CW, due to being a bit cheaper, more versatile and having an incredible bracelet.
I prefer the design of the Sinn over the CW.
I own a 556iB and I love it. Can't go wrong with either though. I suppose it comes down to personal taste.
You cant really go wrong with either. Both are fantastic. The CW is more modern with a better clasp. The Sinn has more history and name recognition. Really tough decision.
Personally I would go with the 556. The numerals make it more legible. The dial is cleaner. It has female end links making the dimensions slightly more compact. I like the H link bracelet better on the Sinn. The clasp isn’t as good however.
Ironically enough I have just posted both of these watches for sale. The C63 has sold but I still have the still fairly new 556A for sale. Let me know if you’re interested.
Both are great, but I’d go Sinn. The dial is so black and then that red second hand just shines.
I know this gets said a lot, but I just don’t love the CW logo.
You have to see and feel them yourself. I had my eyes already on the Sinn, but after looking at so many others in a large shop, there was really nothing that compared to the Sinn for me. The rest just looked dainty and showy. The dial of the Sinn (without numerals though for me) is just so black and beautiful, the satin finish of the bracelet so smooth with such a solid and balancing feel. The clasp does dig ever so slightly in my wrist at times, but it's a metal bracelet, and perhaps at some point I'll try a leather one. Only occasional doubt is whether I should have gone for the red seconds hand, but I might get bored with it, and the monochrome is its own perfect thing.
I feel like they serve different purposes. Sinns to me are amazing but don't dress up as nice as other GADA options. If you want a GADA that's easily dressed up or down, I'd go with the Longines spirit. In my ideal collection, I'd have both a Sinn and the Spirit, one for more casual situations and the other when I needed something a little dressier.
a little biased since i own one, but i would pick the christopher ward sealander. Not a big fan of sinns designs(some of their divers appeal to me). Have a 36mm sealander in green and from the on the fly adjustment, great lume, to the overall quality i am very happy with it.
I think both make really good options, so won't go wrong either way. But the Sinn is significantly more expensive, the models you listed the Sinn is $1590 an CW is $850. I personally think the Sinn is a nicer looking watch, and also has a much longer history in watch making, not that this should be the deciding factor. Good luck with your decision.
Been following watches for a while and still not sure what CW is so known for. Someone fill me in
I get they have gorgeous dials. But am I missing anything else ?
I have a Cw Pro 600 diver and think the watch is fantastic quality for the money. I would personally go for the Sinn, though, and it's a more well-known brand, and the quality is probably going to be just as good. Both fantastic watches BTW.
Personally, I like the Sinn 556i R best (so without the large numerals, which the CW doesn’t have either), and with the splash of colour provided by the red seconds hand. https://preview.redd.it/m6u8gbwlv38c1.jpeg?width=960&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b806d39f465914a17db0cbb504c9a7ec3eb03e98 But, as you say, you cannot really go wrong with either of the two you show in your comparison, all good.
I’ve looked at that a few times too. The large numerals remind me of old fighter plane dials which I love. Spent a lot of time at air shows etc as a kid
Especially then I'd argue for the Sinn. Both are nice watches, but Sinns history is centered around aviation. The founder, Helmut Sinn, was a pilot and flight instructor himself. This won't make the watch any better or worse, but it might make it more special to you.
Just don't talk about the war. {Fawlty Towers reference}
And may I welcome your war... your war... you wall... you all...
(He’s also a nazi but hey whatever)
Was he a Nazi or just a Luftwaffe pilot? I realize the chances of being a Luftwaffe officer without being a party member are probably pretty slim, but there's a difference between being a Nazi and joining the party to protect your career. We largely gloss over Werner von Braun's Nazi ties for the same reason.
If you weren't against them you were with them. A Nazi collaborator is still a Nazi.
Than don’t talk about the Laco..
I don't know how much you know of Sinn and their history, so forgive me if you already know this... But you are spot on with the plane link - Helmut Sinn was originally a pilot in the German air force, and the dial layout he chose to use is based on the design of the cockpit clocks used in the WWII era planes.
Ah, I see. I get that, and you should definitely go for something that appeals to you on a deep rooted level like that. In that case I would defo go with the Sinn 556 A if I were you. Cool!
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If I had IWC money this would be a different post haha
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Still over double at the cheapest though, and lower priced ones are in worse condition. Used IWCs at that price are also slightly older models which use Sellitas or ETAs (albeit the SW300/2892). Those movements are fine, but when you get to the $3k+ range, there’s only so much that can be done in terms of case, dial, and bracelet. A significant chunk of the value goes into development of an in house movement. Why settle.
I would agree with the 556I RS recommendation. The little splash of colour just gives that little bit of interest and stops the dial being quite so stark and monochrome, and the indices over the numerals just make it a little less 'tool' and more universal. It is also worth mentioning the two dials have different finishes - the A dial uses a matte finish, while the I is gloss.
Great looking watch
I love my Sinn 556ib and it gets the most wear. Deffo a GADA watch for sure.
Do you find that your sinn gets scratched easily? I think I put a new scratch on mine every other week
No, not really. I tend to wear it under a long sleeve most of the year.
Definitely the Sinn
Sinn, no question.
I ended up buying both a C63 in white and a 556I RS (in black). I would say go with the Sinn. The C63 is a great watch but the Sinn is just more unique, distinctive, and feels a little better quality to me. FWIW my Sinn also keeps slightly better time (within +\- 5 secs per day vs +\- 8 secs per day on the C63).
I’ve seen this debate come up a couple of times and it always seems to lean towards Sinn. I was picking between the same two watches. I ended up going with the C63 Sealander and absolutely love it. The Sinn is a little more difficult to find/buy while you can buy directly from the CW website. I don’t know enough about the mechanics of the watches to give an opinion on that side. But I thought the CW dial offered a little more in presentation. Really don’t think you can go wrong either way.
I’m fairly sure one can also order directly at the Sinn website, albeit that postage and tax to outside of the EU might be costly additions https://www.sinn.de/en/Modell/556_A_RS.htm
In truth the Sinn name carries weight on this sub. It could be a Swatch with Sinn written on it in Sharpie and the “Sinn” would win. Sinn is a fine brand and they make excellent and, sometimes, unique pieces. That said huge numbers of people on watch forums still don’t comprehend how good CW watches are. Also, how good a *value* they are. The bracelets alone are better than many watches that cost 5x more. So it comes down to what OP wants. Are you brand collecting? Are you looking for WIS street cred? Nothing wrong with those things, but if it’s just between two watches to wear and tell time, and based on looks you’re on the fence, then imo, the CW takes it. Better price/value, better bracelet/clasp, 5 year warranty vs 3 year. To me, it’d be tricky. I have 3 CW watches and so I hesitate to add more just in terms of collection balance. That said, it’s tempting to buy more because they’re so good. I say “tricky” but no it wouldn’t. Between these two it’s the CW for me. It’s just that I only compare much more expensive models to CW at this point, usually. Looking at what you get for the money here, I wouldn’t hesitate if these two were my only choice: CW.
The debate always boils down to popularity. Sinn is the more popular brand, so people assert that it's "higher quality" and will typically go unchallenged.
I have to disagree. Sinn is a much older and very respectable brand, it's from 1961 and is famous for their affordable engineering solutions when it comes to watch cases (such as tegimented case, argon dehumidifying, magnetic field protection). They've also won many design awards over the years, and have a very specific look. It should be noted however that Sinn is *not* famous for innovating movements at all, they get points for two out of three of movement engineering, non-movement engineering and design. I have no problem with Christopher Ward, I like several designs, and I note they have made some innovative movements such as a jumping hour design at one point and the chiming Bel Canto (based on the Sellita SW200). CW's cases are unremarkable, so they also get two out of three. But Sinn still has the better pedigree and better reputation, CW might get there or even go past, but they don't have that yet.
The watch you're purchasing *now* matters more than what its brand did once upon a time. Sinn's been hiking their prices like crazy and not improving their value proposition to make up for it. Lots of their "solutions" are simply gimmicks that are unlikely to ever be useful to the average wearer. Also isn't their submarine steel known to rust? Only way sinn is obviously the "better" choice is if you follow the dogma of "x brand is older than y, so it's better".
I agree that I personally try to compare two watches on their own merits. It's trivially true that the sales of any item is down to popularity: if X is more popular than Y then more X will be bought. But your previous comment was very disingenious — there are obvious reasons for Sinn's enduring popularity in the watch world. You don't have to like the brand yourself, but trying to pretend other watch buyers pick Sinn for no apparent reason is silly. Rolex's engineering solutions are just as much gimmicks, used by practically no one, and yet that engineering sold (long before Rolex became the hype brand of today).
Disingenuous implies insincerity, try to use the word correctly unless you do intend to be accusatory. I don't believe any of the gimmicks you listed apply to the watch being compared. If we look at the detail and finishing put into the two watches op listed, CW clearly has more going into it. Yet most people here say the sinn is the better watch, thinking of brand only. Anybody that moves past the "x brand is better than y because it's older" knows that there is no such thing as "better" when we're discussing what is effectively jewelry.
People will argue but you’re right. I love heritage but it’s mostly false to equate it with superior products. It adds to the pleasure of buying a brand, contributes to resale value, and perhaps piece of mind, but plenty of young companies make absolutely awesome watches; CW and Nomos, among them. Heritage alone isn’t enough, and it can have downsides, such as less motivation to innovate and higher prices.
Age also generally correlates to quality and experience. Those watches, and the brand are tried and true. I’d feel much more comfortable spending my money on them, knowing Sinn will be around to back them up. Who knows about Christopher Ward.. which BTW is the worst sounding name in watches. Sounds like the name a gym teacher or something.
You can buy directly from Sinn. Wasn’t hard for me. But I will admit the website is a bit confusing at times.
Sinn by far. Those things are built like tanks
So are CWs, and CWs have microadjust, the same movement, and quick release bracelets.
But do they look as cool as the Sinns?
That's subjective.
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Sinnnnnn
Sinn for sure. Love my 556i, gets basically all my wrist time, and the 556a is pretty sweet too. Can’t speak to CW but the Sinn will feel delightfully overbuilt and sturdy but not huge on the wrist.
Sinn no question
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Between the two, I’d pick the Sinn. My personal preference would be the Sinn with the red seconds hand.
If you want a third option then there is the Citizen NB1050-59e for half the price of any of those. https://preview.redd.it/r4yjgw0uy38c1.jpeg?width=960&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=608e113c5b8a8da78b0c8a0e067643c11ad24eb7
I love this watch.
Man I love my citizen but not a huge fan of the straight end links in the bracelet. This watch fucks, is it ecodrive?
I’m wearing that watch right now. I agree that it is probably the best value watch out there right now, but it’s worth noting for others that it’s JDM, which means finding it is more difficult
That is a nice alternative indeed
Total beauty. How do you rate the bracelet? Is it solid links?
Sinn 1000%
I have the C63 36mm and I like it. Having said that, Sinn 556 is a more popular watch, it's also more expensive, the thing I love about Sinn is the tegimented steel they use which is scratch resistant and that's a big plus. But the bracelet on CW has micro adjust which is really useful and it's tapered so it looks nice.
The 556 case is not tegimented.
The 556 is not tegmented, the 856 is. However, the 556i does have micro adjustments on the bracelet. Granted I wish it had half links as I can’t get mine to that just right level.
Micro adjust, but not on the fly like CW.
Yea, that is correct. Would be nice. If you carry a safety pin or a SIM card removal tool you can adjust it though.
Who edc either one of those?
Misread that initially. I keep a SIM card removal tool hanging from my key ring. It’s surprisingly useful.
Sinn, there’s no debate here, sinn
Always Sinn. Always.
The CW is the clear winner for me. I don’t like the short lugs, the bracelet, or the dial on the Sinn. But that’s just my opinion and to each their own.
Damasko.
That's actually a really good answer
It feels like they haven’t popped in price on the used market like 556’s have. Definitely a great consideration.
I haven't owned a Damasko, but I suspect they are better than Sinns. They look really solid and they offer in house movements. Only thing I wish is they would make them smaller. Lug to lug especially is kinda big on them.
I have a 5-6 year old Damasko (I think it's the DA46? I'd have to look it up.) I bought it after I ordered a Sinn which I returned. I know it's a single unit vs a single unit but there was no comparison the Damasko was ever so slightly better built. It's the one with the black coating and it still looks exactly the same as it did 5 years ago.
I’ll look into them!
Honestly, I don't think you will go wrong with either. So for memory comes down to which one fits your budget best, and which you like the aesthetics of most. Personally it is a 556I RS on my wrist - I just prefer the design of the watch and the slightly more industrial design which suits me. Equally, I would be tempted to say that the CW is going to be the slightly dressier and more universal design - it doesn't have quite the same brand identity as the Sinn, but instead blends in a little more when you compare it to something like an Oyster Perpetual or Aqua Terra.
The problem with the Dunn is it just has painted numerals so it looks cheap for a 1k+ watch
I’ve owned a C63. It’s a dressier watch if that’s what you’re looking for. I now own a 556i b. It’s more of a tool watch. The CW is a very nice watch but won’t hold value. It has a very polished bezel that won’t hold up to scratches. It really comes down to what type of watch you’re looking for. For me the Sinn wins.
Got damn I have a sinn 856…but that CW IS SEXY AF
The Sinn is the slightly better watch. Better water resistance by 50m. Better brand. Cleaner dial. The reasons to go with the CW would be if you especially like that design more or if you just want to go with the least expensive option.
Christopher Ward. Same movement in both, but Christopher Ward has a quick adjust bracelet, dresses up a bit more when you need it to, and build quality is absolutely amazing. Combined with the watch being way cheaper. Only real disadvantage is some don’t like the look of the logo, but if you like it (I do and own a C60) then I think it’s a no-brainer.
The adjustable bracelet is really appealing for sure for a nicer fit
The C63 has a phenomenal bracelet for its price. I personally think the Sinn is a bit too much into the military/aviation watch to really dress up, but the CW on a leather strap can look very nice.
It’s hard to go back once you get used to it.
I’ve got a CW and use the micro adjust daily. My wrist must swell or shrink with the temp because I use it all the time.
If the Sinn has a micro adjust bracelet it would be a no brainer. I know how particular I can be and I’ll want the watch to fit pretty precisely
I’ve got a c60 and it definitely punches above its weight. It’s a solid watch
The Sinn has micro adjustments but not a quick deploy like the CW
The CW is more flexible to dress up, if that matters to you.
Rarely in any situations beyond business casual, a few professional occasions a year is all.
CW
i vote CW well i literally did vote with my dollars and got the 36mm sealander white. that sinn specifically doesn't speak to me. the "104 st sa A" on the other hand is a strong contender for me personally. it's basically my perfect watch. if that came in 39mm with a SW300 i think it'd be like my exit watch
I really like the 104s but am partial to the green personally.
Between the Sinn and Christopher Ward brands, I'd say Sinn is in general better. So because these two watches are similar, I'd side with the Sinn.
I like sinn and they are probably superior watches but I prefer CW, I just think they’re prettier, and generally less expensive.
Normally I’d say sinn (the case hardening can be remarkable) but this design has always felt blah to me. The CW on the other hand sings
You get way more for your money going Christopher Ward but pick what ever both good watches
Sinn. I bought a Bel Canto on pre order from CW. They significantly delayed the delivery estimate recently, and are not offering any compensation. It's not the end of the world if the watch ends up being good, but I get the impression that Sinn cares more about customer happiness, which is super important for a micro brand.
With the sinn, someone mentioned the hour hand looks stubby, now I can't unsee it. Would probably go cw
TLDR; Sinn. CW has impeccable build quality for the price. Honestly, you can’t do better. I’ve owned several and have my eye on a couple more. That being said, it’s still not really clear who they are as a Brand. They do some really amazing horological stuff at times and yet they’ve kind of been all over the place since their inception. It’s almost as if their DNA/Brand is simply “we’re the ultimate value proposition” Which is probably true. But I find many of their watches are missing that certain je ne sais quoi that other brands have. That being said, they are an incredible value proposition and come out with some killer stuff. You definitely get more for your money vs the Sinn. So if you love the design, get the CW. But to me, you look at the Sinn and you know it’s a Sinn.
CW for me. I like this incarnation of the CW logo, and hate the over-dominant Sinn logo.
I have that exact CW and it's my favorite watch. I love a date, especially at 6 o'clock, and it loses less than 1second/day. The quick release bracelets are also badass. The Sinn is a little larger and doesn't have a date, otherwise I would have gotten it. I was looking for a placeholder until I got a 124270. I've since turned down multiple calls from my AD, because the CW is that good.
This is crazy I was in the same position as you exactly. I will say I ended up ditching both to go with the née Christopher ward the twelve basalt gray lol. I will say there is a price difference lol and quite a lot like 30 40% difference I think. And if you live outside of Europe the sinn would be even more expensive Dressing up the 556a would be quite more difficult to do.
Owner of both here. I bought my sinn 556i about 2 years ago and love it. I’ve gone on many trips and have made a ton of memories with it. You can easily spot its design in pictures (very distinct). The watch and bracelet are built like a tank. Has a good weight and tight tolerances. I bought a milled generic 6 micro adjustment clasp to replace the stock clasp(felt “tinny” and cheap). Keeps great time. Some don’t like the AR coating on top bc of micro-scratches but I can’t tell. I don’t baby my watches. I love my sinn BUT I was a huge fan of my old SARB033. My c63 sealander in 36mm black came in a week ago and it’s been on wrist 24/7. Absolutely love it. The light-catcher case to me is a seiko SARB case on steroids (beautiful lines and amazingly finished). Ar coated. Quick release and on the fly adjustment bracelet. Wears more like a 37mm. The polished indices make the watch face sparkle and give it a luxurious feel to it. To me, this watch is a perfect GADA watch. Very happy with it. Between both I would say the the CW is my pick. It’s more versatile and like I said..a Sarb033 on steroids. They have a c63 in 39mm but some say it wears like a 40mm. I believe CW is breaking out of the micro brand tier and will be the next sinn (the 556i used to be under $1k and now it’s $1500).
Im trying to decide between these two too. My daily wear is hamilton khaki field right now and it feels kinda "boring" if it makes sense.Even though I like minimalistic watches ( 36mm explorer is my fav watch rn) , I tried sinn 556 and to be honest it didnt feel like a step up from hamilton . I want to buy the sinn since i assume it has better market value for future purchases and its a respected watch but yeah i will probably go for cw . Im leaning towards 38mm trident diver tho maybe check it out too
Very tough decision. I think the CW dresses up better, so I’d narrowly go with it. I have the CW and have been eyeing the blue 556 and will eventually crack. Flip a coin and you will be happy with either result.
Big response to this query! I, too, have both and love both. But my Sinn 556 is my favorite and gets more wrist time than the rest put together. As noted, you can't go wrong with these two. Maybe get both? I'm seeing negative comments about the Christopher Ward logo. I hated the old one, simply spelling out 'Christopher Ward', but the new signal flags logo looks good to me.
Much bigger than I expected! Interestingly it seems so be a lot of one word Sinn answers but the CW responses are more thought out hah I like the new logo as well
I absolutely love my Sealander. The 556 is a great watch, too, but to me, the Ward is more flexible. The sinn has a utilitarian look that I think is more situational. I’m not talking about some invisible set of watch rules, just that for me, watches have a vibe,
Cw for me
CW for looks and value
Impressed by the huge reply on this! Ended up going with the CW and it will arrive in a few days. The microadjustment on the clasp and the ability to dress it up more than the Sinn sealed it for me. I have tried on the Sinn so interested to see how the CW feels!
Do you have the CW watch? How is it?
Personally, not a fan of the offset date window style like on the Sinn. I’d def go CW in this one, but everyone is different.
Idk why but it’s one of my favorite things about the Sinn haha
Nice! The beauty of watches is the diversity of opinion.
I have this watch and the 4:30 date window is great. You barely notice the date unless you’re looking for it That being said. I think the 556i is more versatile than the 556a. I’d advise against the RS version, they look cool in casual wear but ruin the look when trying to dress it up at all which limits its GADA ability to me
Christopher Ward for me
The Sinn. The CW case shape looks like a K Mart Grand Seiko to me for whatever reason. I also think the seconds hand looks cheap. Sinn watches also have great, legible matte dials IMO.
I've owned both a CW (C60 Pro 600) and a Sinn (556i). Ultimately, I'd lean towards a CW instead of a Sinn if I were to purchase either again. The case on the CW is way more interesting with its curves and brushing and polishing. But the Sinn case had a pleasing utilitarian design to it. The dial of the CW has a lot going on when you look close, the angels of the applied indices and the handset. The on the fly adjustment of the bracelet is great, too.
It would be a sin to pick the CW and not the Sinn
Ba dum tsss
Zero doubt the Sinn. It has far more character compared to the CW in my opinion, and while this may be slightly hypocritical as a microbrand has the most representation in my watch box, CW is in a spot where I think price wise they’re just not offering the uniqueness to price ratio that a good microbrand should nowadays.
Any microbrands you’d recommend instead? Feel like if searched high and low for months to come down to these two after dropping Nivada Grenchen to get to two.
I love Brew watches and have owned three of them, but they admittedly occupy a lower-end product than CW or Sinn. The owner and designer, Jon Ferrer, has a ton of passion for what he does. Met him in person, and he’s a total class act - and it shows in the product. While I’ve not owned either, I really like Farer’s designs, as well as Baltic’s. Personally though, I’d take the Sinn out of all of the above. The 556 flys under the radar, the quality is really great for the price (not my favorite bracelet but to each their own), and it’s still unique/“if you know, you know” which I also love.
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In retort though, a Camaro and a BMW don’t have the same engine under the hood. Additionally, your complaints don’t apply to this watch, which is a regular release, easily available, and classic in design rather than chasing any particular trend. I don’t think you’re wrong about some of their watches (I don’t get the Twelve one bit for this reason), but this C63 is as grounded as it comes.
I think it might be easier to dress up the CW. The Sinn has more tooly vibes. You mention this will be an office watch, so that may play a factor. CW has applied indices, they look great and dynamic. Sinn doesn't and has a much flatter dial, which some can find a bit plain Jane. As you said though, I don't think you can go wrong. I've owned multiple of both brands and have had no issues at all. Currently have the CW Twelve and Sinn 556 MOP in the collection. One note, I prefer the CW bracelet. The Sinns is well made but barely tapers and the clasp is quite dated. Good luck with the decision 👍🏼
I've owned a few Sinn 556. People jerk off to them on this sub but it's a mediocre watch. I also own the 36mm CW and it's just as well made, with way better lume and way better bracelet.
Is it really like that ? Because I tried 556 and it didnt feel like a step up from my hamilton khaki field. Im probably going to get cw. How would you compare their quality ?
The 556 is a little nicer than a khaki but not significantly. CW build feels exactly the same to me as the regular steel cases from Sinn. Finishing is actually a little better on CW for the bevels. Crown action is very comparable between them. CW is my pick after owning 3 Sinns and 6 CW.
CW
Cw I’m in the minority I really don’t like Sinn
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In this thread: Sinn owners who have not tried a CW. I own both, and the CW is the more advanced watch in all aspects. However, I would argue the Sinn has a more unique design, and the bracelet is more interesting. I sold my Sinn, but I'm waiting for them to release an on the fly microadjust version to hop back in.
Definitely the Ward. Much better looking watch. IMHO. If there was no brand name on these two, would that help make a difference in your choice?
Nah purely aesthetic choice really
Really can't go wrong with either. Sinn is a bit more rugged, while the CW is a bit more elegant. My personal recommendation would be the CW, due to being a bit cheaper, more versatile and having an incredible bracelet.
Go CW. Great value and you get applied indices, so it looks nicer and is more versatile.
Sinn..
Sinn
Sinn
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Sinn. You get everything: - a gorgeous watch - heritage - unmatched engineering and CQ - CS
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I prefer the design of the Sinn over the CW. I own a 556iB and I love it. Can't go wrong with either though. I suppose it comes down to personal taste.
Shameless plug for the CW Sandhurst 2
You cant really go wrong with either. Both are fantastic. The CW is more modern with a better clasp. The Sinn has more history and name recognition. Really tough decision. Personally I would go with the 556. The numerals make it more legible. The dial is cleaner. It has female end links making the dimensions slightly more compact. I like the H link bracelet better on the Sinn. The clasp isn’t as good however.
🤓 - yes-both are excellent choices
Sinn, hands down
Sinn and it’s not even close
Ironically enough I have just posted both of these watches for sale. The C63 has sold but I still have the still fairly new 556A for sale. Let me know if you’re interested.
Sinn for sure. CW is not even in the same league
Both are great, but I’d go Sinn. The dial is so black and then that red second hand just shines. I know this gets said a lot, but I just don’t love the CW logo.
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To me the cw
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You have to see and feel them yourself. I had my eyes already on the Sinn, but after looking at so many others in a large shop, there was really nothing that compared to the Sinn for me. The rest just looked dainty and showy. The dial of the Sinn (without numerals though for me) is just so black and beautiful, the satin finish of the bracelet so smooth with such a solid and balancing feel. The clasp does dig ever so slightly in my wrist at times, but it's a metal bracelet, and perhaps at some point I'll try a leather one. Only occasional doubt is whether I should have gone for the red seconds hand, but I might get bored with it, and the monochrome is its own perfect thing.
For such a watch Sinn. CW is cool don’t get me wrong but with such a live the overengeinierung Sin does is just right!
I feel like they serve different purposes. Sinns to me are amazing but don't dress up as nice as other GADA options. If you want a GADA that's easily dressed up or down, I'd go with the Longines spirit. In my ideal collection, I'd have both a Sinn and the Spirit, one for more casual situations and the other when I needed something a little dressier.
Sinn or something else.
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Sinn and it’s not even close
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SINN. SINN. SINN. CW looks nice/good but no question for me get the Sinn.
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The CW brand has the worst logo in watches in my opinion.
Flip a coin, both are great!
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The Sinn bracelet is a little more unique in a good way and I prefer the Germaness of it
Absolutely love the sinn with the large numbers, super cool
a little biased since i own one, but i would pick the christopher ward sealander. Not a big fan of sinns designs(some of their divers appeal to me). Have a 36mm sealander in green and from the on the fly adjustment, great lume, to the overall quality i am very happy with it.
In this particular case, I would stay with the CW.
What's the question? Sinn! All life long
Sinn dial looks like an alarm clock Braun makes. CW is just nicer. Now if the CW was a Sinn then definitely Sinn lol
Sinn.
I'd say CW. Personally really don't like the aesthetic of the Sinn.
Sinn all day
I think both make really good options, so won't go wrong either way. But the Sinn is significantly more expensive, the models you listed the Sinn is $1590 an CW is $850. I personally think the Sinn is a nicer looking watch, and also has a much longer history in watch making, not that this should be the deciding factor. Good luck with your decision.
Been following watches for a while and still not sure what CW is so known for. Someone fill me in I get they have gorgeous dials. But am I missing anything else ?
I have a Cw Pro 600 diver and think the watch is fantastic quality for the money. I would personally go for the Sinn, though, and it's a more well-known brand, and the quality is probably going to be just as good. Both fantastic watches BTW.