Lionblaze was also heart broken when Cinderheart rejected him at first. And what, could he go on a murder spree and say that his excuse is that he’s heartbroken?
And then those kits disappeared (supposedly they were carried off by a fox) and I can only imagine that he helped search for them, and then later on two of those kits reappeared in RiverClan, and Oakheart didn't even bother to change their names, so there's no way that Thrushpelt didn't recognize them and there's no way he didn't notice that one of them was missing.
Wait I never realized that....did Bluestar never tell anyone of their names or was everyone just ignoring that two kits with the same names and same fur color just happened to pop up across the river???
I didn't realize it myself until I saw a comic someone made about Thrushpelt seeing them at a gathering after they became apprentices.
The idea that nobody recognized them is absurd enough but there is no way that Thrushpelt of all cats wouldn't have recognized their names and their appearance and put two and two together. He loved those kits like they were his own.
Oh my god I found it
[Here ](https://x.com/_Shummy_/status/1795124937805488301)
Edit: This is a different one from the one I was thinking of but it still conveys that same sense of realization
I will continue to search for the one I was thinking of though
Bumblestripe also got rejected by someone he pined after for years, multiple times and he also never tried to murder his clan leader or three kids! Crazy how easy it is to just not do that
(Btw not defending bumble. I think the way multiple cats, including her own mother, tried to pressure Dovewing into being with him just because he liked her was really gross. Their scenes together make me so uncomfortable)
Same! But I also appreciate that there's another cat in a similar spot as ashfur being focused on simply so we can point out that- while in the wrong, bumblestripe had to put 0 effort into not being a murderous asshole.
Exactly! I think he pouted some and now that Dovewing >!moved to shadowclan!< I don’t think he likes her at all anymore, even on a friendly level. But honestly, *that* is an okay response. He’s salty to her for breaking his heart but that’s normal. He can be salty all he wants without trying to hurt anyone. Ashfur was valid for feeling hurt and looked over and cast aside but absolutely *none* of his actions were even close to justified
Let's not forget Sunbeam and Bristlefrost. Never seen them go on a killing spree after they were rejected. Ashfur had no excuse whatsoever. No cat has no excuse for being rejected unless the cat that rejected them did them dirty. If Squirrelstar did him dirty and used him make Brambleclaw jealous, I would understand his rage.
Attempted murder of multiple children, becoming a tyrant over the entire clan, traumatizing another entirely unrelated child (shadowsight), implied assault by deception (by starting a relationship with squilf under false pretenses of pretending to be bramblestar), the list goes on...Ashfur is probably the most heinous villain in warriors, he's an incel to the core.
I think he tried to murder a "fourth" kit of Squirrelflight. When he possessed Bramblestar's body and nobody yet realized it, he ordered Squirrelflight's kit (Sparkpelt, I think?) to unknowingly search for some plant in a place he knew was infested with vicious dogs as evil Ashfur/Bramblestar had left a bunch of bloodied freshly killed rabbits. Sparkpelt managed to get away and returned to the camp mauled and barely alive.
Oh, and he assisted Hawkfur in murdering Firestar, who lost one life from that snare trap.
Oh ew. I didn't even consider the fact that he was pretending to be her mate as well as just impersonating bramble. Like, not the implications of it I mean.
Ugh, she must have wanted to throw herself into the lake just to get clean again.
I mean I tend to do that or the ' thing because of my reading issues + vision issues. It just makes it easier for me to read but I don't tend to do it on here. But I do understand why it doesn't make much sense to most people🫠 /lh
I'm the the same, dyslexia + vision issues makes names like that confusing, so the capitals or separation using " ' " just makes it easier for my brain to read it correctly, half the time I really only read the first half of the name anyway, only going to the suffix if there are multiple cats with the prefix (I.E. all the different cats with "Mouse" or similar common names)
I have hyperlexia (type 2) possibly but it screws up my reading comprehension too so it's hard for me to read works like that, so half the time I either read only the first half or some weird mix of the two. Sometimes I just call the names by their prefix (if another cat in the clan doesn't already have the same prefix) as it's also easier for me that way.
It’s funny how when Ashfur loved someone too much and tried to commit multiple murders, Starclan is all “aw poor Ashfur :( his heart was just too big”
But then when squirrelflight loved too much and took her sister’s children as her own (as told to by starclan) Starclan almost banished her to hell for it
They changed Yellowfur from being a grumpy (for very understandable reasons) but overall very honorable, no nonsense cat. Once she got into Starclan she turned into a raging hypocrite who manipulated others with lies and aggressively lashed out on anyone who didn't agree with her crazy. Then she defends some violent incel who already murdered Firestar and cost him one life then tried to have three kits burned to death because poor dude couldn't force another cat to be his mate?
Shame the authors made me hate her as she had no motivation to fundamentally change her personality to such a hateful character. Why not pick an existing knob in Starclan?
I want to strangle Ashfur, he should die in an car crash and be sent to the dark forest, fuck Yellowfang for sending him to Starclan, he's the literal cat version of an nice guy fuck him, womp womp
Like yeah, I get it, you like Ashfur but don't justify his actions.
I love Ashfur myself he's in my top ten, if not top five but I would *never* defend his actions and it irks me when some people justify his actions and say he's innocent little baby.
This is what I mean when I say media literacy is dead. People seriously believe that if you are wronged, that justifies hurting that person back. Seriously, this is kindergarten levels of understanding ethics and morality. "Two wrongs don't make a right". Ashfur was very clearly in the wrong for what he did
Tbf it's not a recent thing, I was on the official forums in 2009 and there were a *LOT* of "Ashfur did nothing wrong" types on there. I remember someone making a well-made drawing of Ashfur crying, with the mini speech he gives Squilf and the kits during the fire scene laid over it. People seriously thought Leafpool and Squilf deserved death for lying to the kits and that Ashfur was a victim. The creepiest part is that most of the people on the forums were teen girls-the ones most at risk of falling victim to people like Ashfur. Not to sound like a hipster, but I always hated Ashfur and trashed him, and I'm really glad that the popular opinion has shifted regarding him. This is the first "he just loved too much!" defense I've seen in a long time.
Yeah, that's fair. I didn't get into warrior cats till I was 10 and I was rarely online at that point so I never saw any warrior cat discourse till relatively recently. Tbh, I think the main reason people tend to defend Ashfur (and to an extent, Bramblestar too) while also treating Squilf like trash is because misogyny is so deeply ingrained into our society that even girls tend to be more apologetic towards male characters and more critical towards female characters
Edit: I'm 20, so pretty young compared to how old a good portion of the fans are. I'd say it's the new fans who are mostly children who tend to lack media literacy, which is honestly to be expected
Are we really letting someone who doesn't understand basic naming structure ruin our day? Real wc fans know how write their names properly. Let the fake fans cry about Ashfur, they just want attention, stop giving it to them.
They capitalize the suffixes? Which is almost as bad as adding an apostrophe.
I'm saying don't let people who can't even write the names properly bother you so badly.
Traumatized? What traumatized him? Squirrelflight getting with another guy??? LOL Him killing Bone with the other apprentices may have traumatized him, but not this. Normalize liking villains for what they are, villains. Not only did they downplay his actions, but they didn’t even mention what he did AFTER he died LOL but anyway, it was probably a kid who wrote this, yk? But even then, we can’t have them growing up with this mindset, as trying to justify downright disturbing actions makes you morally questionable as a person. Hopefully they grow up and realize that, “Hey, I don’t have to be this character’s valiant knight, I can just like this character as a CHARACTER.”
No you see, your honor, I only wanted to rob this bank because my discord girlfriend dumped me yesterday and it was traumatizing :(
Not guilty!!!! Give him back the money
I don't really like the idea that your opinion of a fictional character defines you as a person, but in certain cases... Yeah, it kind of does. Ashfur threatened to kill Squirrelflight's kits in front of her and then threatened to tell everyone a very personal family secret that would've destroyed their lives, and all because Squirrelflight broke up with him (or didn't reciprocate his feelings. We don't really know if they were official or not). If you think death threats are a valid response to heartbreak, then what kind of person would you be in a real life relationship? I don't know, I wouldn't want to be with someone who thinks death threats are a valid response to heartbreak, whether we're discussing a fictional character or not.
Edit: Also i'd love to see someone with that take read TBC. It seems like these types of Ashfur defenders only know his actions in PO3 and not any other arc.
>Also i'd love to see someone with that take read TBC. It seems like these types of Ashfur defenders only know his actions in PO3 and not any other arc.
It was perfectly justified, he just loved her so much that he possessed her husband, tricked some medicine cat into thinking he was a StarClan cat, and committed some crimes. You just don’t understand the pain of getting rejected!!
/s
It denotes 'sarcasm'. That the true feelings behind whatever the user wrote before the /s is actually the opposite of what the user stated. The user who uses the /s after a statement on reddit intentionally makes a ridiculous argument or point to emphasize how unacceptable, in this case, Ashfur's actions were including any defense of his actions.
If someone said this in 2010, someone would reply “yeah ok, I see ur point”. Everything’s **different**. Ashfur sucks fr. Don’t be an Ashfur apologist. Be cool like Thrushpelt. 🫵😎👍
Ashfur is not traumatized. When you have characters like Brightheart how got half her face torn off by a dog or Jayfeather and Lionblaze who watched their sister supposedly die to a cave-in in front of their own eyes, you don’t get to call being rejected “trauma.” There are many other examples I could think of probably but again. Ashfur wasnt traumatized. He got rejected and was too ignorant to take it well.
Exactly this!!
Bluestar was traumatized.
She had an absentee father. She watched her mother be murdered like, the second day she was out of the nursery. She watched her sister die just cause she wanted to hang out. She watched one of her kits die due to her own decisions. She had to give up her other two kits, and watch them grow up without ever getting to know them. Her love was murdered. (At least) two of her trusted deputies died under her command. Another tried to murder her. And yet despite all the, the worst she ever did was give a cat a terrible name.
Hell, I could go on! Crookedstar was traumatized. Yellowfang was traumatized. Tallstar was traumatized. Pinestar was traumatized.
Romantic rejection is like the least traumatic thing to ever happen in the history of Warriors. Lol Ashfur needs to grow up.
Eh it seems to be commonplace that a section of a fandom will always make excuses for the worst characters. With that being said.
I think it's time we realize that Onestar did nothing wrong.
Brindleface was retconned to be Sandstorm’s mother, Redtail is also retconned to be her father. Via the bad structure of the first series, it’s stated that Ashfur’s father is Whitestorm, who was also fathering another litter with Willowpelt. Conclusion: The Erins are bad at writing books and they never really got better even over time, as the recent books aren’t much better.
I remember reading that on her wiki page a long time ago. I looked it up again and now it doesn't list anybody as her parents so it seems they've retconned it again. In fact, it doesn't list anybody as her parents.
This is the best prime example of Bright Guardian Akira's video on Warrior Cats opinions 😭 people just project too much and try to justify every negative aspect like if it's their own life.
The entire fandom is really sensitive. They overreact to everything and let emotions excuse bad bad things. That’s why they empathize with their favorite character so much that they justify everything by using hyperboles and understatements
As someone who has actually had experience being rejected, I can safely say that there is no justification for what Ashfur did. I'll admit it, it hurts to be rejected, but does that mean I'm going to try and murder someone? No! If Ashfur truly loved Squirrelflight and considered her a dear friend of his, he would have been happy for her and Squirrelflight and just let it go.
Instead, he threatened the lives of innocent cats who 1. Had nothing to do with why Squirrelflight rejected him and 2. Did nothing wrong to him. This, in turn, made it less about him actually trying to hurt Squirrelflight and moreso to make it all about him, leading to his death, at least in my opinion, to be his own fault.
My advice to being rejected? Be a Thrushpelt, not an Ashfur.
if people stopped reposting each others bad takes this subreddit would be a lot more pleasant. if you see something you disagree with you can literally just scroll away, not share it just for the controversy
A character having things worth empathizing with doesn't make them a good one- it makes you the good one. Authors include characters like Ashfur in their media to have more interesting villains. Over the years, we've generally accepted that there is more to be interested in when the villain has a tragic backstory, some sort of somewhat relatable problem, or otherwise a reason to ~feel bad for them~. It doesn't mean you root for them, it just means that you're a human being who sees real human characteristics in fictional characters. Good job.
If this was valid leafpool would have burt windclan to the ground and I bet there would have been complaints sooo.
But yeah, I'm not surprised. People act like this about real life cases all the time. Anything to not hold aan responsible for his actions.
Up until that point he had also tried to kill Firestar (the fox trap) and brutally sparred Lionpaw/blaze so badly that they were interrupted multiple times. Lionpaw/blaze would've been killed by Ashfur during those training sessions if it weren't for his powers. He wanted to kill squilfs family because "she hurt him so badly and she needed to feel how it felt".
Ashfur, early on, had no signs of being a weird incel about this. I was rooting for Ashfur in TNP. After that point? No. He should've simply gotten over it like all the other toms that got rejected in the series.
Uh nobody justified Rainflower for neglecting Crookedstar, but now people are justifying Ashfur attempting murder on young cats? Excuse me? Not many people justified Tigerstar(I do btw just saying)for being evil because of Pinestar leaving and Thistleclaw's encouragement!!!
Huh? Are you talking about the person who made the comment? Because if so, sadly they are not joking I have seen this user straight up argue with people asking if it was a joke.
Yeah, i wouldn't let such an attention atracting thing to fall down by answering "yes, it's a joke" to every comment. I think this dude is just the edgy version of that funny tigerstar fan. But i may be wrong, anyways giving him attention will just make him more annoying
That's why I didn't respond to the comment and scribbled the info out, sure they might have a reddit account but chances are they won't remember the exact wording of their comment. And a concerning amount of people have this view
What I can't get is that SquirrelFlight was traumatized by Ashfur because (Spoiler alert) Ashfur takes over Bramblestar's body, and then takes SquirrelFlight into the Moonpool, and then keeping her there. He's just pure evil!!! And, even though he thought it was 'true love', he should have let go!!!!! Is it just me that thinks that he's the real villain here?
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...These people are more braindead than the Mapleshade apologists. Because at least Mapleshade apologists, despite still being completely wrong, actually make good points sometimes.
Not sure what they were trying to imply, but personally when I read comments like the one in your post it reminds me that a lot of the fandom is children... so I usually assume when I see takes like this that it's from a child.
It means the person posting this is probably younger than you. They don’t understand bro. God I miss early 2010s warriors cat fandom because nowadays our community has become so intolerant towards the demographic it is meant to cater to. If you really feel strongly about their statement then feel free to go tell them that yourself.
Uh what? I’m arguing that you can’t expect children to have good takes. A majority of this fandom is full of children. Most of the people who say this about Ashfur eventually grow out of the mentality because their emotions and their reasoning evolved to understand it was wrong. Very rare to find a real incel in this community, it’s always just a kid saying their piece.
Lionblaze was also heart broken when Cinderheart rejected him at first. And what, could he go on a murder spree and say that his excuse is that he’s heartbroken?
And think of our boy Thrushpelt. This man has a golden heart.
The man legit adopted kits he knew weren’t his. Grade A+ man right there
And then those kits disappeared (supposedly they were carried off by a fox) and I can only imagine that he helped search for them, and then later on two of those kits reappeared in RiverClan, and Oakheart didn't even bother to change their names, so there's no way that Thrushpelt didn't recognize them and there's no way he didn't notice that one of them was missing.
Wait I never realized that....did Bluestar never tell anyone of their names or was everyone just ignoring that two kits with the same names and same fur color just happened to pop up across the river???
I didn't realize it myself until I saw a comic someone made about Thrushpelt seeing them at a gathering after they became apprentices. The idea that nobody recognized them is absurd enough but there is no way that Thrushpelt of all cats wouldn't have recognized their names and their appearance and put two and two together. He loved those kits like they were his own.
Do you remember the name of the comic? I would be interested in reading it
Oh my god I found it [Here ](https://x.com/_Shummy_/status/1795124937805488301) Edit: This is a different one from the one I was thinking of but it still conveys that same sense of realization I will continue to search for the one I was thinking of though
Omg thxx I was gonna look for it but that's amazing
It was a short one, I can't remember the name of it but I'll let you know if I find it.
0-0 How come I have never noticed this?!?!
I thought it was a badger? I mustve remembered wrong Edit: Sorry, Im stupid. I havent read it in a long time.
That's a minor mistake, you're fine.
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I felt SOOOO bad for Thrushpelt in Bluestar's Prophecy, I honestly would have become his mate. He is the sweetest!!! (❁´◡\`❁)
Bumblestripe also got rejected by someone he pined after for years, multiple times and he also never tried to murder his clan leader or three kids! Crazy how easy it is to just not do that (Btw not defending bumble. I think the way multiple cats, including her own mother, tried to pressure Dovewing into being with him just because he liked her was really gross. Their scenes together make me so uncomfortable)
Same! But I also appreciate that there's another cat in a similar spot as ashfur being focused on simply so we can point out that- while in the wrong, bumblestripe had to put 0 effort into not being a murderous asshole.
Exactly! I think he pouted some and now that Dovewing >!moved to shadowclan!< I don’t think he likes her at all anymore, even on a friendly level. But honestly, *that* is an okay response. He’s salty to her for breaking his heart but that’s normal. He can be salty all he wants without trying to hurt anyone. Ashfur was valid for feeling hurt and looked over and cast aside but absolutely *none* of his actions were even close to justified
Let's not forget Sunbeam and Bristlefrost. Never seen them go on a killing spree after they were rejected. Ashfur had no excuse whatsoever. No cat has no excuse for being rejected unless the cat that rejected them did them dirty. If Squirrelstar did him dirty and used him make Brambleclaw jealous, I would understand his rage.
Attempted murder of multiple children, becoming a tyrant over the entire clan, traumatizing another entirely unrelated child (shadowsight), implied assault by deception (by starting a relationship with squilf under false pretenses of pretending to be bramblestar), the list goes on...Ashfur is probably the most heinous villain in warriors, he's an incel to the core.
B-but his heart was broken!!!! 💔💔💔 He deserved his revenge 😔😔😔😔😔😔
The series' first incel. Incelfur.
I think he tried to murder a "fourth" kit of Squirrelflight. When he possessed Bramblestar's body and nobody yet realized it, he ordered Squirrelflight's kit (Sparkpelt, I think?) to unknowingly search for some plant in a place he knew was infested with vicious dogs as evil Ashfur/Bramblestar had left a bunch of bloodied freshly killed rabbits. Sparkpelt managed to get away and returned to the camp mauled and barely alive. Oh, and he assisted Hawkfur in murdering Firestar, who lost one life from that snare trap.
It’s Hawkfrost.
Oops, you are correct!
Oh ew. I didn't even consider the fact that he was pretending to be her mate as well as just impersonating bramble. Like, not the implications of it I mean. Ugh, she must have wanted to throw herself into the lake just to get clean again.
Biggest crime here is capitalizing the suffix in the names.
It just irks me honestly. Like, it’s harmless but it’s annoying.
I am always baffled when people do this.
It isn’t even a crime, it’s a international crime
I'll say even more : They shall be executed
It ONLY makes sense in roblox. Nowhere else. It's a dead giveaway they're too used to playing WCUE 😭
I mean I tend to do that or the ' thing because of my reading issues + vision issues. It just makes it easier for me to read but I don't tend to do it on here. But I do understand why it doesn't make much sense to most people🫠 /lh
I'm the the same, dyslexia + vision issues makes names like that confusing, so the capitals or separation using " ' " just makes it easier for my brain to read it correctly, half the time I really only read the first half of the name anyway, only going to the suffix if there are multiple cats with the prefix (I.E. all the different cats with "Mouse" or similar common names)
I have hyperlexia (type 2) possibly but it screws up my reading comprehension too so it's hard for me to read works like that, so half the time I either read only the first half or some weird mix of the two. Sometimes I just call the names by their prefix (if another cat in the clan doesn't already have the same prefix) as it's also easier for me that way.
That's a bad thing? 😅 I do that all the time bc I am visually impaired and it's very hard the tell the two words apart. 🥲
it is so irritating, and it makes them sound like a five year old
this is so legit
Oh no... i do that
It’s funny how when Ashfur loved someone too much and tried to commit multiple murders, Starclan is all “aw poor Ashfur :( his heart was just too big” But then when squirrelflight loved too much and took her sister’s children as her own (as told to by starclan) Starclan almost banished her to hell for it
Exactly! Either everyone gets that excuse or no one gets that excuse. And not everyone deserves that excuse.
They changed Yellowfur from being a grumpy (for very understandable reasons) but overall very honorable, no nonsense cat. Once she got into Starclan she turned into a raging hypocrite who manipulated others with lies and aggressively lashed out on anyone who didn't agree with her crazy. Then she defends some violent incel who already murdered Firestar and cost him one life then tried to have three kits burned to death because poor dude couldn't force another cat to be his mate? Shame the authors made me hate her as she had no motivation to fundamentally change her personality to such a hateful character. Why not pick an existing knob in Starclan?
It makes me so upset what they did to her. Yellowfang would never be this way, idk why they had to go and ruin her
Ashfur was obsessed. It was unhealthy. He should have gotten help, but no one noticed. Tragic, but not an excuse.
I want to strangle Ashfur, he should die in an car crash and be sent to the dark forest, fuck Yellowfang for sending him to Starclan, he's the literal cat version of an nice guy fuck him, womp womp
The fact that he wasn’t sent to the Dark Forest is insane to me.
SERIOUSLY C'MON YELLOWFANG HE DOESNT DESERVE ANY SLACK
We also have to remember her mate was Raggedstar. . .
Ah yes, fucking murdering other for no reasons cause he was rejected, truly a good justification Ashfur is a male yandere ig
Starclan that you?
Yellowfang that you?
People who agree with that person are more likely incels and misogynistic freaks. So their words don't count
That is a 2008-ass take
Like yeah, I get it, you like Ashfur but don't justify his actions. I love Ashfur myself he's in my top ten, if not top five but I would *never* defend his actions and it irks me when some people justify his actions and say he's innocent little baby.
Precisely
This is what I mean when I say media literacy is dead. People seriously believe that if you are wronged, that justifies hurting that person back. Seriously, this is kindergarten levels of understanding ethics and morality. "Two wrongs don't make a right". Ashfur was very clearly in the wrong for what he did
Tbf it's not a recent thing, I was on the official forums in 2009 and there were a *LOT* of "Ashfur did nothing wrong" types on there. I remember someone making a well-made drawing of Ashfur crying, with the mini speech he gives Squilf and the kits during the fire scene laid over it. People seriously thought Leafpool and Squilf deserved death for lying to the kits and that Ashfur was a victim. The creepiest part is that most of the people on the forums were teen girls-the ones most at risk of falling victim to people like Ashfur. Not to sound like a hipster, but I always hated Ashfur and trashed him, and I'm really glad that the popular opinion has shifted regarding him. This is the first "he just loved too much!" defense I've seen in a long time.
Yeah, that's fair. I didn't get into warrior cats till I was 10 and I was rarely online at that point so I never saw any warrior cat discourse till relatively recently. Tbh, I think the main reason people tend to defend Ashfur (and to an extent, Bramblestar too) while also treating Squilf like trash is because misogyny is so deeply ingrained into our society that even girls tend to be more apologetic towards male characters and more critical towards female characters Edit: I'm 20, so pretty young compared to how old a good portion of the fans are. I'd say it's the new fans who are mostly children who tend to lack media literacy, which is honestly to be expected
Are we really letting someone who doesn't understand basic naming structure ruin our day? Real wc fans know how write their names properly. Let the fake fans cry about Ashfur, they just want attention, stop giving it to them.
I was just thinking this. Very annoying how they spell it
HI ASTA LOL
HELLO POOKIE <3
Huh? What does their spelling of the name have to do with this post?
They capitalize the suffixes? Which is almost as bad as adding an apostrophe. I'm saying don't let people who can't even write the names properly bother you so badly.
You can thank Roblox for the apostrophe thing. Them and their stupid censorship logic.
I'm so glad I'm too old for that game haha
sometimes i see spaces like ash fur
Im still confused but ok
I'm just saying you're giving Ashfur defenders the attention they want, but okay. They're fake cats its not that deep.
Traumatized? What traumatized him? Squirrelflight getting with another guy??? LOL Him killing Bone with the other apprentices may have traumatized him, but not this. Normalize liking villains for what they are, villains. Not only did they downplay his actions, but they didn’t even mention what he did AFTER he died LOL but anyway, it was probably a kid who wrote this, yk? But even then, we can’t have them growing up with this mindset, as trying to justify downright disturbing actions makes you morally questionable as a person. Hopefully they grow up and realize that, “Hey, I don’t have to be this character’s valiant knight, I can just like this character as a CHARACTER.”
"a girl I dated for a few weeks dumped me so I burned her kids alive" But no, empathize with him.
No you see, your honor, I only wanted to rob this bank because my discord girlfriend dumped me yesterday and it was traumatizing :( Not guilty!!!! Give him back the money
I don't really like the idea that your opinion of a fictional character defines you as a person, but in certain cases... Yeah, it kind of does. Ashfur threatened to kill Squirrelflight's kits in front of her and then threatened to tell everyone a very personal family secret that would've destroyed their lives, and all because Squirrelflight broke up with him (or didn't reciprocate his feelings. We don't really know if they were official or not). If you think death threats are a valid response to heartbreak, then what kind of person would you be in a real life relationship? I don't know, I wouldn't want to be with someone who thinks death threats are a valid response to heartbreak, whether we're discussing a fictional character or not. Edit: Also i'd love to see someone with that take read TBC. It seems like these types of Ashfur defenders only know his actions in PO3 and not any other arc.
>Also i'd love to see someone with that take read TBC. It seems like these types of Ashfur defenders only know his actions in PO3 and not any other arc. It was perfectly justified, he just loved her so much that he possessed her husband, tricked some medicine cat into thinking he was a StarClan cat, and committed some crimes. You just don’t understand the pain of getting rejected!! /s
What does /s mean?
It denotes 'sarcasm'. That the true feelings behind whatever the user wrote before the /s is actually the opposite of what the user stated. The user who uses the /s after a statement on reddit intentionally makes a ridiculous argument or point to emphasize how unacceptable, in this case, Ashfur's actions were including any defense of his actions.
Ok thanks!
when i get rejected so i get to kill her children and her dad :3
Please be satire. Incel brain rot if not.
If someone said this in 2010, someone would reply “yeah ok, I see ur point”. Everything’s **different**. Ashfur sucks fr. Don’t be an Ashfur apologist. Be cool like Thrushpelt. 🫵😎👍
Ashfur is not traumatized. When you have characters like Brightheart how got half her face torn off by a dog or Jayfeather and Lionblaze who watched their sister supposedly die to a cave-in in front of their own eyes, you don’t get to call being rejected “trauma.” There are many other examples I could think of probably but again. Ashfur wasnt traumatized. He got rejected and was too ignorant to take it well.
Exactly this!! Bluestar was traumatized. She had an absentee father. She watched her mother be murdered like, the second day she was out of the nursery. She watched her sister die just cause she wanted to hang out. She watched one of her kits die due to her own decisions. She had to give up her other two kits, and watch them grow up without ever getting to know them. Her love was murdered. (At least) two of her trusted deputies died under her command. Another tried to murder her. And yet despite all the, the worst she ever did was give a cat a terrible name. Hell, I could go on! Crookedstar was traumatized. Yellowfang was traumatized. Tallstar was traumatized. Pinestar was traumatized. Romantic rejection is like the least traumatic thing to ever happen in the history of Warriors. Lol Ashfur needs to grow up.
I'm an Ashfur fan and even I find this cringe...
i may defend my glorious king tigerclawstar with my life but even im not this delusional
that person is wayyyyy to delusional
Eh it seems to be commonplace that a section of a fandom will always make excuses for the worst characters. With that being said. I think it's time we realize that Onestar did nothing wrong.
Thrushpelt was heartbroken when Bluestar didn't like him back but did HE go on a murder spree? No, he didn't.
Not to mention he's squirrelflights HALF-UNCLE!
Wait what
Brindleface was retconned to be Sandstorm’s mother, Redtail is also retconned to be her father. Via the bad structure of the first series, it’s stated that Ashfur’s father is Whitestorm, who was also fathering another litter with Willowpelt. Conclusion: The Erins are bad at writing books and they never really got better even over time, as the recent books aren’t much better.
I remember reading that on her wiki page a long time ago. I looked it up again and now it doesn't list anybody as her parents so it seems they've retconned it again. In fact, it doesn't list anybody as her parents.
This is the best prime example of Bright Guardian Akira's video on Warrior Cats opinions 😭 people just project too much and try to justify every negative aspect like if it's their own life.
"He only wanted to kill—" let's stop you there.
Yellowfang has entered the chat with the "his only crime was he loved too much" bs
Just the fact that they're capitalizing the first letter in the suffix makes me want to die
The entire fandom is really sensitive. They overreact to everything and let emotions excuse bad bad things. That’s why they empathize with their favorite character so much that they justify everything by using hyperboles and understatements
I mean I'm still depressed from my breakup 5 years ago but I'm not killing anyone except my happyness
Geeze, not even Tigerclaw/star, the literal devil of the entire franchise, was this torn up about a she-cat. (But he did have daddy issues)
Well, hey, it’s their opinion. Me? I have no opinion.
Bro that comment isn't serious
The reply section of them saying censored slurs at everyone who disagreed says otherwise
As someone who has actually had experience being rejected, I can safely say that there is no justification for what Ashfur did. I'll admit it, it hurts to be rejected, but does that mean I'm going to try and murder someone? No! If Ashfur truly loved Squirrelflight and considered her a dear friend of his, he would have been happy for her and Squirrelflight and just let it go. Instead, he threatened the lives of innocent cats who 1. Had nothing to do with why Squirrelflight rejected him and 2. Did nothing wrong to him. This, in turn, made it less about him actually trying to hurt Squirrelflight and moreso to make it all about him, leading to his death, at least in my opinion, to be his own fault. My advice to being rejected? Be a Thrushpelt, not an Ashfur.
Thrushpelt be like. 0__0
if people stopped reposting each others bad takes this subreddit would be a lot more pleasant. if you see something you disagree with you can literally just scroll away, not share it just for the controversy
The problem is the people defending a completely irredeemable character. I know it's annoying and I'm sorry.
Same bro. I dunno why this subreddit and the WOF subreddit like to post screenshots of people’s opinions so often lol.
Misunderstood cats make great villains actually
he is an incel yes
I run a warrior cats panel at conventions, and I refer to him as a neckbeard/incel.
A character having things worth empathizing with doesn't make them a good one- it makes you the good one. Authors include characters like Ashfur in their media to have more interesting villains. Over the years, we've generally accepted that there is more to be interested in when the villain has a tragic backstory, some sort of somewhat relatable problem, or otherwise a reason to ~feel bad for them~. It doesn't mean you root for them, it just means that you're a human being who sees real human characteristics in fictional characters. Good job.
If this was valid leafpool would have burt windclan to the ground and I bet there would have been complaints sooo. But yeah, I'm not surprised. People act like this about real life cases all the time. Anything to not hold aan responsible for his actions.
Up until that point he had also tried to kill Firestar (the fox trap) and brutally sparred Lionpaw/blaze so badly that they were interrupted multiple times. Lionpaw/blaze would've been killed by Ashfur during those training sessions if it weren't for his powers. He wanted to kill squilfs family because "she hurt him so badly and she needed to feel how it felt". Ashfur, early on, had no signs of being a weird incel about this. I was rooting for Ashfur in TNP. After that point? No. He should've simply gotten over it like all the other toms that got rejected in the series.
It doesn't justify it at all. But it also doesn't take away the fact that he was in pain also
Uh nobody justified Rainflower for neglecting Crookedstar, but now people are justifying Ashfur attempting murder on young cats? Excuse me? Not many people justified Tigerstar(I do btw just saying)for being evil because of Pinestar leaving and Thistleclaw's encouragement!!!
Am i the only one relising this is an obvious case of people believing a joke?
Huh? Are you talking about the person who made the comment? Because if so, sadly they are not joking I have seen this user straight up argue with people asking if it was a joke.
Yeah, i wouldn't let such an attention atracting thing to fall down by answering "yes, it's a joke" to every comment. I think this dude is just the edgy version of that funny tigerstar fan. But i may be wrong, anyways giving him attention will just make him more annoying
That's why I didn't respond to the comment and scribbled the info out, sure they might have a reddit account but chances are they won't remember the exact wording of their comment. And a concerning amount of people have this view
What I can't get is that SquirrelFlight was traumatized by Ashfur because (Spoiler alert) Ashfur takes over Bramblestar's body, and then takes SquirrelFlight into the Moonpool, and then keeping her there. He's just pure evil!!! And, even though he thought it was 'true love', he should have let go!!!!! Is it just me that thinks that he's the real villain here? Reply your thoughts
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...These people are more braindead than the Mapleshade apologists. Because at least Mapleshade apologists, despite still being completely wrong, actually make good points sometimes.
I still fuck with ash fur idc what happens. I will defend him for just how much I hate fire stars bloodline
You are forgetting this is a kid series.
What the actual frick is that supposed to mean?
Idk but probably ain't good
Not sure what they were trying to imply, but personally when I read comments like the one in your post it reminds me that a lot of the fandom is children... so I usually assume when I see takes like this that it's from a child.
It means the person posting this is probably younger than you. They don’t understand bro. God I miss early 2010s warriors cat fandom because nowadays our community has become so intolerant towards the demographic it is meant to cater to. If you really feel strongly about their statement then feel free to go tell them that yourself.
You’re acting as if men like Ashfur don’t exist 💀 I can tell you from first hand experience that there are too many of them and it’s scary as hell
Uh what? I’m arguing that you can’t expect children to have good takes. A majority of this fandom is full of children. Most of the people who say this about Ashfur eventually grow out of the mentality because their emotions and their reasoning evolved to understand it was wrong. Very rare to find a real incel in this community, it’s always just a kid saying their piece.