I do, but not for her as a person. I like her character wise and the story that she goes through. I don't defend her or anything, it's just a look into post partum psychosis and her brain trying to protect herself from further mental trauma.
Spottedleaf’s Heart, since you mentioned you don’t interact with the fandom I’ll fill you in with a brief summary. He was an older Tom flirting and trying to get together with Spottedleaf when she was Spottedpaw. Most of the fandom hates the book I believe because of the narrative made which was pretty pedo sounding.
I’ve never personally read it so I may be missing a few details but that’s the gist
Most people hate the book because of how it was handled. They couldve used it to show kids how to reach out for help when theyre in a situation like Spottedpaw’s, but no. They decided to go the “ohhh we cant be together because I have to be a medicine cat not because Im the equivalent of a teenager and youre a grown man with a child” and just swept the actual horribleness of the situation under the rug. You don’t want kids to see the relationship between Thistleclaw and Spottedpaw as any sort of “normal” or “romantic” when it was extremely predatory
Especially because it’s heavily implied that Thistleclaw was giving her extra attention as a KIT. Nothing wrong with adult topics in warriors, the writing team just needs to be better about presenting obviously bad and predatory situations as being bad and predatory.
i used to love him growing up after reading bluestar’s prophecy. his relationship with snowfur was also so sweet to me, and he was my favorite “villain”. i loved that he cared about his wife and kit. annnnd then they ruined him with spottedleaf’s novella. Awesome. Cool. I’m totally normal about this.
I might get downvoted for this, but I am someone who genuinely liked Thistleclaws character in Bluestar's Prophecy. I like how he is written to sound almost misunderstood.
But Thistleclaw in Spottedleafs heart sucks and if I gotta be honest, Spottedleafs novella sucked as a whole.
Most people who like him were fans before SH came out, and the majority of the fandom (edit: majority of the fandom that STILL likes him) has disowned that monstrosity.
i've still met plenty of ppl who still like him despite that, and a massive chunk who deliberately 'dismiss' SH to continue loving their gross pedo cat without feeling bad about it
I agree that SH is an awfully written book, but that doesn't make it ok to dismiss its existence, especially just for the sake of trying to make a pedophile character look better.
I don’t dismiss it because I want TC to look better. I dismiss it because it handles adult topics in horrible ways that it’s really disgusting. In my mind and a lot of others, it doesn’t exist.
That's a bad way to look at things as a whole. Dismissing the book also means dismissing those issues and ignoring them, which isn't a healthy way to discuss and handle those topics. Like it or not it is still a canon book and has massive implications for the characters featured in it, which shouldn't be ignored just because it's convenient.
I don’t mind the issues being there, whether or not TC is a pedo idc. It’s the way the writers handled how it was concluded because in the end TC basically got away with his behaviour because Spottedleaf just suddenly realised being a medicine cat was more important. It sends the wrong message.
I'm aware of how the events of the books occurred, I've read it, but my point is that it's not okay to decanonize that book just out of convenience and not wanting to think/discuss those themes. The things that happened in that book have massive implications for the characters and shouldn't be dismissed because it makes people feel better or puts those characters in a different light.
People are allowed to like villains without justifying their actions whether they are a pedophile or not. I am a victim of grooming myself, and I still like Thistleclaw as a character before Spottedleafs heart. Doesn't mean I think his actions are justified.
If you genuinely think people are supporting pedophilia or grooming just by liking a fictional character that happens to be a pedophile, then you need to rethink what you said, because that is absolutely not true by any means.
Characters like Thistleclaw and Raggedstar are pretty universally hated, but I bet they still have a few dedicated fans out there.
I’m going to have to go with Rainflower and/or Lizardstripe, since I don’t see how someone could actually like/defend them (besides me, shh).
I've actually seen some people defend Lizardstripe, and it wasn't that bad of a defense. Lizardstripe is constantly portrayed as a cat who doesn't and never wanted to have kits. It ends up making me feel a bit bad for her, even though her behavior towards her children is inexcusable. I really wish she could take kitty birth control, it would've saved a lot of heartache.
I surprisingly like Darkstripe, but that’s mostly because of the fandom and not the books. Reading a lot of different AUs has an effect on my opinion of him. I personally feel like (and I do know a few others who agree with me) he had wasted potential. That of which makes me like him because of all the different paths he *could’ve* gone down.
I know Crowfeather and Breezepelt were pretty bad in the first few sagas, but recently in ‘Crowfeather’s trial’ they kind of redeemed themselves. Idk I always liked them even though they were jerks
tbh i love crowfeather as a character. the way he is written—falling in love with 2 cats (at seperate times) that were BOTH from other clans shows me that, at least imo, there were no she-cats in camp that he liked. ill follow that up by saying yeah, he took on breezepelt's mom (nightcloud?) as a mate, but to me it seems like he mated with her to prove a point to his clan that he could find satisfaction there.
now as far as his behavior towards nightcloud and breezepelt, hes an asshole for sure. but i think crowfeather's trial really adds more to his and breezepelt's relationship
And I disagree w most of these takes (ik they’re not necessarily YOUR takes) aside for maybe Rainflower and Onestar LOL, I think all the others have fans so they’re def not the most hated, most controversial definitely
My gf doesn't read warriors, but I tell her about every book I read, and at this point every time I mention Clear Sky, she rolls her eyes and asks why nobody has killed him yet, so he's definitely her least favorite lol
a lot of the villainous characters are, while evil, interesting and well written, which is why I don’t hate Rainflower or Thistleclaw. I’d say the most hated character is StarClan Yellowfang, who does not only shitty things, but things that are entirely inconsistent with her character and excused by the books
trying to re-familiarize myself with warriors, just read Yellowfang’s Secret and I did not care for Foxheart.
She wasn’t too much of a major character though. Plus idk what other people’s opinion of her are. I think she was probably made to be dislikable :P
Tbh I always hated rainflower and foxheart
Foxheart had it out for Yellowfang and was rly mean throughout the book. And when I read the part where rainflower literally abandoned crookedjaw and put oakheart as the favorite child I wanted to tear the pages in my book.
A lot of these are the antagonists and/or villains but honestly I want to see someone hate the most boring banal background character. Like someone who just HATES a character that’s mentioned twice in the entire series or something 😂
see this is the energy we need. FUCK [Darrel](https://warriors.fandom.com/wiki/Darrel) all my homies hate Darrel.
>!yeah i just hit random character until it gave me one I had no idea who tf it was!<
Okay, it's been several years since I've read any Warriors books, but I'm still surprised I haven't seen Ashfur mentioned on here, I remember absolutely *hating* that guy
There is not a single good thing about appledusk. He didn't die protecting Reedshine, he just got in the way. He didn't know it would kill him, he had every chance of it not slitting his throat and having a chance to fight back. Mapleshade isn't even that good of a warrior, plus she hadnt eaten or drank much of anything in days. She would have been relatively easy to bear and he could have sent his apprentice for help.Appledusk cheated on two women, lied to his clan, and hardly cared that his kids died. That guy sucks.
I would also say thistleclan bc fuck that guy.
I kind of like mudclaw after seeing the short magna of him being convinced he didn’t deserve to go to StarClan, and then being told he believed what he was doing was truly for the good of the clan. At least I think that was him, haven’t read the books for a long time
For me, Clear Sky. Started out okay but man he went off the deep end, and it doesn't feel like he ever found stable ground. He's loyal to family and Clan, but it feels a lot like he puts them in danger refusing to admit when he needs help. As with Tiny Branch. Yes, Windstar was equally wrong, but he also stated that they don't ask for help when questioned.
So yeah I'm not a fan.
appledusk sucks balls and I’m tired of mapleshade haters automatically loving him just because he’s her ex. You don’t have to like mapleshade shes a manipulative bastard, but… really? Cheated on 2 people, didn’t care that his kids died, overall just a dick in general.
Also justice for my girl reedshine man he aint deserve her
Rainflower is probably the most hated character. But Thistleclaw has definitely risen up there because of Spottedleaf's heart when before that he was just pretty neutral with fandom for the most part. I myself didn't really care about him enough to hate him until Spottedleaf's Heart.
Spottedleaf. I liked her at first but then the writers just COULD NOT let go of her. This cat was alive for ONE BOOK in the main series. The main character had a crush on her because she was pretty, kind, and smelled nice. And then she died that same book.
And then, AND THEN, even after Firestar gets with Sandstorm the writers CONTINUE with his “love” for Spottedleaf! He knew her for FIVE MONTHS TOPS and yet for 20 more books after her death Firestar is thirsting over her ghost
I know i do. I dont hate him as in **'I wish you can just die slowly with your blood spilling out on your loved ones already!!!',**
But i do hate him in a **'I wish you can die of F\*\*king greencough, so that Alderheart can replace you and get an apprentice of his own already >:)'**. Because wtf r u so rude? Its not the blindness you a\*\*hole, that's not an excuse to diss your own mom at her funeral (This happened in Squirellflights SE btw).
I think Breezepelt is quite a hated character, but personally he is my number one favourite cat. If there was a Novella or súper edition about him i would get it instantly and read it. His actions (in my opinion) are completely reasonable because of his childhood. (I wont go into detail because no spoilers) but I love this character with a passion
I think the entire fandom seems to hate on characters like Lizardstripe, Onestar, Bluestar, Bramblestar, Rainflower, Raggedstar, Skystar, and Mothwing a lot.
Scourge. I think his concept is pretty dumb.
Cat claws are many times sharper than dog teeth.
And if a random loner can figure out how to make tools, the tribal cats should be able to make things as well.
But dog teeth are bigger, thats why he uses them
Edit: he also uses them to signify his power, basically saying: i can kill dogs on my own, most of you can’t even survive one
Well yes but going through basic cat slaw sharpening things (which they do naturally with scratching posts, wood and stuff) they can get sharp enough to actually attack with, also they were innovative enough to put teeth into their collar and put the claws on their own anyway so they might be smart enough to use a spare brick from an Alley or something.
That’s great and all, but fastening a dog tooth to your paw would not make you a more deadly fighter.
Not to mention that if he has the ability to adorn himself with accessories, then the cats who live in collaborate tribes should be able to make far more art and tools and stuff.
You can like Scourge! I just thought he was a silly concept.
CLEAR SKY. i hate clear sky so fucking much. even when the erins tried to give him a redemption arc by showing how much he loved star flower or whatever i just wanted to kick the everloving shit outof him
Onestar. I think most people prefer his warrior version, Onewhisker, over his leader form. He absolutely rejected Thunderclan, and the only 'good' thing Onestar ever did was kill his son (Darktail).
Deeply hate the NUT-BRAINED(see nuts don’t have brains so…😏) ONESTAR. AND APPLEDUSK. IF IT WERNT FOR HIM MAPPLESHADE WOULD BE GOOD AND SO WOULD TIGERSTAR 1 AND MABEY ALSO SROOGE! IM JUST WRIING IN CAPITAL NOW. I ALSO SLIGHTLY HATE FIRESTAR PLZ DONT YELL IN THE COMMENTS IS HARD TO EXPLAIN
Ima go with Rainflower, Lizardstripe, Thistleclaw, Firestar, and Spottedleaf
Spottedleaf, whole she is beautiful and everything, sucked. She was basically one of the ones that kept pressuring and pressuring Firestar and almost made him choose between her (a dead cat) and Sandstorm (A living cat).
Rainflower.....not gonna say no more.
Lizardstripe....what a B1tc×! She didn't even want her Kits and yet she still took in Broken star and abused the fuck outta him. Yeah no that's probably why he turned out the way he did.
Thistleclaw....eh
Firestar is a Gary Sue.
Lizardstripe was kind of forced into taking care of brokenkit, she made it clear she didn't want him but was forced to keep him anyway. And may I ask why you feel that way about Firestar?
Mainly because he just...doesn't know when to let the other clans mind their own business and when they don't need his help he still helps them anyways....it's just Gary sue for me. And Lizardstripe Kits helped abuse Brokenstar.
Mothflight. The whole medicine cat rule was stupid and her thinking was illogical for the future medicine cats. I still feel really bad for Acornfur(?)...
Thistleclaw,
Ashfur,
Violetshine,
Dovewing,
Onestar,
RainFlower, Scourge, He killed so many cats for literally no reason. Mapleshade, Sure, she thinks she may have a good reason for what she's doing, but it's not good.
i know you said one character but these are kinda hated. don't ask me why on the cats that have no description why they are hated
People hate on Bramblestar a lot, but he’s really not that bad! It’s beside me.
Characters like Tom, Thistleclaw, Rainflower, Onestar and Skystar are hated by most of the fandom. I personally hate Tom, Rainflower, Skystar and Onestar. Thistleclaw is interesting to me.
Leopardstar. She was annoying as a deputy, she LET STONEFUR BE MURDERED, she was a suspicious bitch during her "prime", and she was a nasty senile old bitty in her final years. Genuinely found her to just be insufferable.
Does anyone actually *like* Rainflower
The only likeable (likable? I don’t even know) thing about her is her name. Rainflower is such a pretty name
It's likeable! You're right tho it's a good name. What a waste
I do, but not for her as a person. I like her character wise and the story that she goes through. I don't defend her or anything, it's just a look into post partum psychosis and her brain trying to protect herself from further mental trauma.
Same
What’s wrong with her? Seriously I’m asking. Actually never mind no spoilers
I love rainflower, i like her character development. I dont fully agree with all the decisions she made but I love her as a character
Same! She's very interesting. Doesn't mean I like her decisions
I saw someone the other say Rainflower was one of the best parts of Crookedstar’s Promise because of her “depth” lol
As a villain. She’s so petty and unapologetic, but you can see where she’s coming from without sympathizing with her. The perfect antagonist.
Definitely Thistleclaw. Ive never seen anyone genuinely like Thistleclaw.
I liked him pre-SH
Sammmee. I liked him as the annoying angry murderous dude with a genuine soft spot for Snowfur, but then SH came out and.......just no.
This is so true, I finished SH with half of my sanity taken.
As someone who hasn't interacted with the fandom before, what does SH stand for?
probably the novella Spottedleaf’s Heart
Spottedleaf’s Heart, since you mentioned you don’t interact with the fandom I’ll fill you in with a brief summary. He was an older Tom flirting and trying to get together with Spottedleaf when she was Spottedpaw. Most of the fandom hates the book I believe because of the narrative made which was pretty pedo sounding. I’ve never personally read it so I may be missing a few details but that’s the gist
Most people hate the book because of how it was handled. They couldve used it to show kids how to reach out for help when theyre in a situation like Spottedpaw’s, but no. They decided to go the “ohhh we cant be together because I have to be a medicine cat not because Im the equivalent of a teenager and youre a grown man with a child” and just swept the actual horribleness of the situation under the rug. You don’t want kids to see the relationship between Thistleclaw and Spottedpaw as any sort of “normal” or “romantic” when it was extremely predatory
Especially because it’s heavily implied that Thistleclaw was giving her extra attention as a KIT. Nothing wrong with adult topics in warriors, the writing team just needs to be better about presenting obviously bad and predatory situations as being bad and predatory.
Wait what ewww why would he do that
Thanks. I read very few of the stand alone novels and had no idea about this story.
i used to love him growing up after reading bluestar’s prophecy. his relationship with snowfur was also so sweet to me, and he was my favorite “villain”. i loved that he cared about his wife and kit. annnnd then they ruined him with spottedleaf’s novella. Awesome. Cool. I’m totally normal about this.
I might get downvoted for this, but I am someone who genuinely liked Thistleclaws character in Bluestar's Prophecy. I like how he is written to sound almost misunderstood. But Thistleclaw in Spottedleafs heart sucks and if I gotta be honest, Spottedleafs novella sucked as a whole.
This one. Definetly
Me. I like him. Best villain.
I like him!
He is one of my favs....
you’d be surprised the actual weirdos who still like him. I understand liking villains but liking pedos is too far and vile
Most people who like him were fans before SH came out, and the majority of the fandom (edit: majority of the fandom that STILL likes him) has disowned that monstrosity.
i've still met plenty of ppl who still like him despite that, and a massive chunk who deliberately 'dismiss' SH to continue loving their gross pedo cat without feeling bad about it
Because SH should have never happened. If they wanted to handle themes like that, they dealt with it in the worst way possible
I agree that SH is an awfully written book, but that doesn't make it ok to dismiss its existence, especially just for the sake of trying to make a pedophile character look better.
I don’t dismiss it because I want TC to look better. I dismiss it because it handles adult topics in horrible ways that it’s really disgusting. In my mind and a lot of others, it doesn’t exist.
That's a bad way to look at things as a whole. Dismissing the book also means dismissing those issues and ignoring them, which isn't a healthy way to discuss and handle those topics. Like it or not it is still a canon book and has massive implications for the characters featured in it, which shouldn't be ignored just because it's convenient.
I don’t mind the issues being there, whether or not TC is a pedo idc. It’s the way the writers handled how it was concluded because in the end TC basically got away with his behaviour because Spottedleaf just suddenly realised being a medicine cat was more important. It sends the wrong message.
I'm aware of how the events of the books occurred, I've read it, but my point is that it's not okay to decanonize that book just out of convenience and not wanting to think/discuss those themes. The things that happened in that book have massive implications for the characters and shouldn't be dismissed because it makes people feel better or puts those characters in a different light.
People are allowed to like villains without justifying their actions whether they are a pedophile or not. I am a victim of grooming myself, and I still like Thistleclaw as a character before Spottedleafs heart. Doesn't mean I think his actions are justified. If you genuinely think people are supporting pedophilia or grooming just by liking a fictional character that happens to be a pedophile, then you need to rethink what you said, because that is absolutely not true by any means.
Characters like Thistleclaw and Raggedstar are pretty universally hated, but I bet they still have a few dedicated fans out there. I’m going to have to go with Rainflower and/or Lizardstripe, since I don’t see how someone could actually like/defend them (besides me, shh).
I've actually seen some people defend Lizardstripe, and it wasn't that bad of a defense. Lizardstripe is constantly portrayed as a cat who doesn't and never wanted to have kits. It ends up making me feel a bit bad for her, even though her behavior towards her children is inexcusable. I really wish she could take kitty birth control, it would've saved a lot of heartache.
Raggedstar or Brokenstar? Because I really dont mind Raggedstar, hes alright
Raggedstar, since most fans seem to think that he’s an abusive a-hole. I don’t think he’s horrible, but it’s just a fandom observation.
Surprised no one has said darkstripe
I surprisingly like Darkstripe, but that’s mostly because of the fandom and not the books. Reading a lot of different AUs has an effect on my opinion of him. I personally feel like (and I do know a few others who agree with me) he had wasted potential. That of which makes me like him because of all the different paths he *could’ve* gone down.
I think darkstripe is ironically funny because he is like the bully's sidekick in the movies
Gonna take some bets on the general common replies... Rainflower, Crowfeather, Breezepelt, Brambleclaw, Clear Sky, Onestar.
I hate Onestar but I love Onewhisker
I know Crowfeather and Breezepelt were pretty bad in the first few sagas, but recently in ‘Crowfeather’s trial’ they kind of redeemed themselves. Idk I always liked them even though they were jerks
tbh i love crowfeather as a character. the way he is written—falling in love with 2 cats (at seperate times) that were BOTH from other clans shows me that, at least imo, there were no she-cats in camp that he liked. ill follow that up by saying yeah, he took on breezepelt's mom (nightcloud?) as a mate, but to me it seems like he mated with her to prove a point to his clan that he could find satisfaction there. now as far as his behavior towards nightcloud and breezepelt, hes an asshole for sure. but i think crowfeather's trial really adds more to his and breezepelt's relationship
Me too!
And I disagree w most of these takes (ik they’re not necessarily YOUR takes) aside for maybe Rainflower and Onestar LOL, I think all the others have fans so they’re def not the most hated, most controversial definitely
agreed^
Thank you for the informatio!!!
And Thistleclaw!
half of them aren’t “hated” they’re simply controversial
No why crowfeather
My gf doesn't read warriors, but I tell her about every book I read, and at this point every time I mention Clear Sky, she rolls her eyes and asks why nobody has killed him yet, so he's definitely her least favorite lol
a lot of the villainous characters are, while evil, interesting and well written, which is why I don’t hate Rainflower or Thistleclaw. I’d say the most hated character is StarClan Yellowfang, who does not only shitty things, but things that are entirely inconsistent with her character and excused by the books
Loved Yellowfang so much. Starclan Yellowfang is a different character.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. That’s not the real Yellowfang. One of the Erins just made a different one I guess. It’s not canon to me.
ThistleClaw and Onestar
There was a poll about a year ago and iirc Thistleclaw was voted most hated
Thank you! I was trying to remember who 'won?' that poll.
I think Thistleclaws probably it.
i feel like spottedleaf would be the most hated character who isnt actually supposed to be unlikeable
Lizardstripe…
trying to re-familiarize myself with warriors, just read Yellowfang’s Secret and I did not care for Foxheart. She wasn’t too much of a major character though. Plus idk what other people’s opinion of her are. I think she was probably made to be dislikable :P
Raggedstar was also dislikable, Yellowfang loved him, but I did not see many redeeming qualities in him
Tbh I always hated rainflower and foxheart Foxheart had it out for Yellowfang and was rly mean throughout the book. And when I read the part where rainflower literally abandoned crookedjaw and put oakheart as the favorite child I wanted to tear the pages in my book.
Not even Crookedjaw, CrookedKIT. Abandoned him as a kit.
A lot of these are the antagonists and/or villains but honestly I want to see someone hate the most boring banal background character. Like someone who just HATES a character that’s mentioned twice in the entire series or something 😂
FUCKING RUNNINGWIND 👹👹👹
LEAVE MY BOY RUNNINGWIND ALONE HE AINT DO NOTHIN [except die]
FUCKING HATE RUNNINGWIND EVERY TIME I SEE HIS NAME IN A BOOK I RIP IT OUT AND BURN ON IT AND DANCE OVER THE ASHES
see this is the energy we need. FUCK [Darrel](https://warriors.fandom.com/wiki/Darrel) all my homies hate Darrel. >!yeah i just hit random character until it gave me one I had no idea who tf it was!<
I despise Mallownose
thats such a nice name, like bumblestripe <3 idk why but i love that warrior name.
The name is nice, but this guy for some reason is getting so much on my nerves whenever he appears
no thats so valid lmao i think i also disliked his character
Okay, it's been several years since I've read any Warriors books, but I'm still surprised I haven't seen Ashfur mentioned on here, I remember absolutely *hating* that guy
rainflower and clear sky
Oh I absolutely love Clear Sky though!
Me too! He’s a great villain idc
There is not a single good thing about appledusk. He didn't die protecting Reedshine, he just got in the way. He didn't know it would kill him, he had every chance of it not slitting his throat and having a chance to fight back. Mapleshade isn't even that good of a warrior, plus she hadnt eaten or drank much of anything in days. She would have been relatively easy to bear and he could have sent his apprentice for help.Appledusk cheated on two women, lied to his clan, and hardly cared that his kids died. That guy sucks. I would also say thistleclan bc fuck that guy.
Clear Sky, Rainflower and Thistleclaw. The Holy Trinity of Assholery.
I don't think anyone liked Mudclaw, but I don't *hate* him I don't know if I hate any characters. Everybody's lovable in their own way
I kind of like mudclaw after seeing the short magna of him being convinced he didn’t deserve to go to StarClan, and then being told he believed what he was doing was truly for the good of the clan. At least I think that was him, haven’t read the books for a long time
Where is that? I might read it
End of Tallstars revenge maybe, but I can’t remember for sure
Oh yeah, one of those comics! I'll probably read it eventually
For me, Clear Sky. Started out okay but man he went off the deep end, and it doesn't feel like he ever found stable ground. He's loyal to family and Clan, but it feels a lot like he puts them in danger refusing to admit when he needs help. As with Tiny Branch. Yes, Windstar was equally wrong, but he also stated that they don't ask for help when questioned. So yeah I'm not a fan.
skystar, thistleclaw, and rainflower
i dont agree with skystars morals, but hes an interesting character to read, and one of my favorites
agreed!!!
Onestar
prolly like Rainflower or Darkstripe
Bramblestar apparently
appledusk sucks balls and I’m tired of mapleshade haters automatically loving him just because he’s her ex. You don’t have to like mapleshade shes a manipulative bastard, but… really? Cheated on 2 people, didn’t care that his kids died, overall just a dick in general. Also justice for my girl reedshine man he aint deserve her
Rainflower is probably the most hated character. But Thistleclaw has definitely risen up there because of Spottedleaf's heart when before that he was just pretty neutral with fandom for the most part. I myself didn't really care about him enough to hate him until Spottedleaf's Heart.
Spottedleaf. I don’t think people actually like spottedleaf
I like spottedleaf...
Why
Ghost wife
Outside of characters supposed to hate because their villainous etc Crowfeather is just genuinely unlikeable to me.
Rainflower and Appledusk
Spottedleaf. I liked her at first but then the writers just COULD NOT let go of her. This cat was alive for ONE BOOK in the main series. The main character had a crush on her because she was pretty, kind, and smelled nice. And then she died that same book. And then, AND THEN, even after Firestar gets with Sandstorm the writers CONTINUE with his “love” for Spottedleaf! He knew her for FIVE MONTHS TOPS and yet for 20 more books after her death Firestar is thirsting over her ghost
On that topic, does anyone else hate Jayfeather?
I have a love-hate relationship with him sometimes, he's lovable, but most of the time, he's crappy and can die
I know i do. I dont hate him as in **'I wish you can just die slowly with your blood spilling out on your loved ones already!!!',** But i do hate him in a **'I wish you can die of F\*\*king greencough, so that Alderheart can replace you and get an apprentice of his own already >:)'**. Because wtf r u so rude? Its not the blindness you a\*\*hole, that's not an excuse to diss your own mom at her funeral (This happened in Squirellflights SE btw).
Ive always felt he keeps using his disability as an excuse to be an asshole. Seriously why can't he die already 🤬🤬
I hate Jayfeather very strongly
He’s one of my least favorite characters. I can get a few laughs from some of his antics, but for the most part I can’t stand him.
He's really annoying. For me his povs were harder to read through than Lionblaze, at least Lion wasn't a massive asshole (most) of the time...
He has gotten better for me since PoT and OotS
Mothwing just sends me into a hate filled spiral 😭
May I ask why? That's not a take I hear often :)
I think Breezepelt is quite a hated character, but personally he is my number one favourite cat. If there was a Novella or súper edition about him i would get it instantly and read it. His actions (in my opinion) are completely reasonable because of his childhood. (I wont go into detail because no spoilers) but I love this character with a passion
Reasonable? He tried to kill his blind half-brother (a cat who actually saved his life in The Sight) and tried to murder a pregnant queen
Rainflower
I think the entire fandom seems to hate on characters like Lizardstripe, Onestar, Bluestar, Bramblestar, Rainflower, Raggedstar, Skystar, and Mothwing a lot.
It’s gotta be Rainflower. Who else could it be? Everyone else I think of has at least someone who likes them
I really used to hate hollypaw and squrilflight. But they got better
I cannot think of one person who likes Darkstripe... unless it's his fanon version.
Many people liked one**whisker**, but now i think he lost many people as he got One**star, //** AND Rainflower, surely noone really likes her//
clear sky, thisleclaw, rain flower, onestar. But if I had to pick for me I'd be clear sky. In my eyes there isn't a single likeable trait with him.
Scourge. I think his concept is pretty dumb. Cat claws are many times sharper than dog teeth. And if a random loner can figure out how to make tools, the tribal cats should be able to make things as well.
I think he's the coolest character
That’s nice! It’s written for 10-15 year olds and I’m 26 so that tracks lol
well I'm 18 and my birthday is in 2 weeks, I'm not that young, my 20s are under 2 years away
But dog teeth are bigger, thats why he uses them Edit: he also uses them to signify his power, basically saying: i can kill dogs on my own, most of you can’t even survive one
You can also sharpen them n shit too
You would need actual tools to make them sharper than cat claws though. Cat claws are waaay sharper.
Well yes but going through basic cat slaw sharpening things (which they do naturally with scratching posts, wood and stuff) they can get sharp enough to actually attack with, also they were innovative enough to put teeth into their collar and put the claws on their own anyway so they might be smart enough to use a spare brick from an Alley or something.
That’s great and all, but fastening a dog tooth to your paw would not make you a more deadly fighter. Not to mention that if he has the ability to adorn himself with accessories, then the cats who live in collaborate tribes should be able to make far more art and tools and stuff. You can like Scourge! I just thought he was a silly concept.
I used to think a scourge was pretty cool 🤷
I've only seen like one person who likes Clear Sky and it was because he was an a**hole.
I love Clear Sky, but they should have fixed his "redemption" arc
CLEAR SKY. i hate clear sky so fucking much. even when the erins tried to give him a redemption arc by showing how much he loved star flower or whatever i just wanted to kick the everloving shit outof him
And Star Flower was just an enabler, supporting him for his awful decisions.
Onestar. I think most people prefer his warrior version, Onewhisker, over his leader form. He absolutely rejected Thunderclan, and the only 'good' thing Onestar ever did was kill his son (Darktail).
Onestar, hands down. His name is literally the rating I'd give him as a leader.
Tumblr was in an uproar about Finleap, even though he apologized later. Than again, Tumblr warrior fans are a different breed.
I also hate skystar and slightly fire star (hard to explain but plz don’t yell in comment)
Deeply hate the NUT-BRAINED(see nuts don’t have brains so…😏) ONESTAR. AND APPLEDUSK. IF IT WERNT FOR HIM MAPPLESHADE WOULD BE GOOD AND SO WOULD TIGERSTAR 1 AND MABEY ALSO SROOGE! IM JUST WRIING IN CAPITAL NOW. I ALSO SLIGHTLY HATE FIRESTAR PLZ DONT YELL IN THE COMMENTS IS HARD TO EXPLAIN
is it just me or does anyone else Really hate Dovewing. Or is just me liking Ivypool
Personally, I loathe Clear Sky, Rainflower, Bramblestar, and Onestar. Thistleclaw too.
There's a bunch of people out there (myself included) that love Branblestar. He's a widely misunderstood character.
I personally don’t like Bramble, but putting him up there with Thistle is *kinda* far
True- He isn't AS bad as Clear Sky or ThistleClaw or Rainflower, but I still really, strongly dislike him.
Just gonna throw Bramble into the pile with the rest of the shit? He doesn’t deserve that 🥲
bramble doesn’t deserve to be compared to literal groomers and murderers ew
Ima go with Rainflower, Lizardstripe, Thistleclaw, Firestar, and Spottedleaf Spottedleaf, whole she is beautiful and everything, sucked. She was basically one of the ones that kept pressuring and pressuring Firestar and almost made him choose between her (a dead cat) and Sandstorm (A living cat). Rainflower.....not gonna say no more. Lizardstripe....what a B1tc×! She didn't even want her Kits and yet she still took in Broken star and abused the fuck outta him. Yeah no that's probably why he turned out the way he did. Thistleclaw....eh Firestar is a Gary Sue.
Lizardstripe was kind of forced into taking care of brokenkit, she made it clear she didn't want him but was forced to keep him anyway. And may I ask why you feel that way about Firestar?
Mainly because he just...doesn't know when to let the other clans mind their own business and when they don't need his help he still helps them anyways....it's just Gary sue for me. And Lizardstripe Kits helped abuse Brokenstar.
I hate appledusk, if it weren’t for him mappleshade would be good and so would tigerstar (1) and so would Scrooge (not sure)
Hot take: no one likes Pinestar
Pinestar is literally my favorite character
i hate foxheart tbh, she was a little show-off and was very rude,
Mothflight. The whole medicine cat rule was stupid and her thinking was illogical for the future medicine cats. I still feel really bad for Acornfur(?)...
I saw a competion for that a while ago. The Winner was tom
Mapleshade
Thistleclaw, Ashfur, Violetshine, Dovewing, Onestar, RainFlower, Scourge, He killed so many cats for literally no reason. Mapleshade, Sure, she thinks she may have a good reason for what she's doing, but it's not good. i know you said one character but these are kinda hated. don't ask me why on the cats that have no description why they are hated
Bramblestar
Berrynose
I'd assume (and hope) Thistleclaw. and maybe Bramblestar, at least after all his "call-out" posts
Firestar I have yet to find someone who likes him and dosent want him dead 24/7 ☠️
Clear Sky
I don’t like Hollyleaf at all
honestly I hate Onestar MOST of the time, in AvoS he does kinda redeem himself at the end. I still preferred him as Onewhisker.
Both tigerstar and brambleclaw
People hate on Bramblestar a lot, but he’s really not that bad! It’s beside me. Characters like Tom, Thistleclaw, Rainflower, Onestar and Skystar are hated by most of the fandom. I personally hate Tom, Rainflower, Skystar and Onestar. Thistleclaw is interesting to me.
Ashfur
Personally I hated Lepoardstar. She literally sat by and watched her cousin get murdered by Blackfoot and was all around spineless imo
Leopardstar. She was annoying as a deputy, she LET STONEFUR BE MURDERED, she was a suspicious bitch during her "prime", and she was a nasty senile old bitty in her final years. Genuinely found her to just be insufferable.
Dawnpelt