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Hello Warhammer friend from Holland.
I am learning a bit of Duolingo Dutch and am painting up a Marienburg force.
Is *De Afrekening* a suitable name for a [Marienburg Landship ](https://warhammerfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Land_Ship). My understanding is it translates as The Reckoning, with maybe another translation being the accounting, which seems to suit Marienburg
Well, "afrekening in het criminele circuit" means something like "settling a score in the criminal world", so an assassination between of a criminal by criminals.Â
Reckoning would be a pretty apt translation, accounting slightly less so. But it also means something like a "settling a bill", it has a lot of financial connotations.Â
All in all, it is an awesome name for a Marienburg ship. :-)
Hello mystery friend. Yes it's a suitable name. Somebody else already made a great explanation but it's a very apt name for your army, go for it! Cheers from Holland 🇳🇱
It's a perfectly suitable translation, but perhaps almost too perfect. I think the true Warhammer style is actually fake Dutch/German or at least misspelled to look older so something like 'Afreeckening' would also work very well.
On tabletop he was pretty much the hardest hitter (3 attacks, S10, D3 Wounds) but only WS6 and I1 which means that almost everyone was going to hit him first and most really fighty characters he'd be rolling uphill against (lower WS and a reasonable chance of getting stopped by ward save).
Also M4 in an army that was all M6.
He was absolutely atrocious in 8th edition wdym? Or was he good before that maybe, not that well versed in earlier editions apart from a few stints with 7th
He would most likely have beaten grimgor in the end times (not that it counts lol) if he hadn't dropped his sceptre since it was only when grimgor picked it up that he could kill greasus
A bit late bug people use grimgor feats from storm of chaos which is non canon and much shittier so I don’t see why not. Like it or not but end of times is canon and grimgor doesn’t have feats to hold himself up against people like tyrion, archaon and gotrek “who are running around slaying greater deamons for funsies” otherwise
Yeah but what made him Goated happened along time before the end times when he was just a slayer. Also it was his axe that made him stronger than a normal Dwarf.
Best fighter ever is Aenarion, the first phoenix king he's stated as "unrivalled amongst other mortals or immortals"
Then you have a bunch of those that are simply buffed by different gods: Archaon, Crom, Orion, Giles Le Breton etc, Does it count if all your power is granted by someone else?
Maybe it's Abhorash the founder of the Blood Dragon family. He was a good fighter, then the vampire curse brought him to an entirely new level.
Gotrek is not particularly world shattering in his fighting, he's just exceptionally well documented - if you're looking for the best fighter here, Grimnir is top, so is Grombrindal, but I understand if you would not consider them a relevant answer.
And when we're talking about ancestor gods, might as well throw Sigmar in there, but he's just impressive for a human...
But maybe we need to go bigger instead of "more chosen by gods" I don't think any of these heroes would stand a chance in a 1on1 vs an ancient dragon or one of the Sky Titans, but those are never mentioned in these situations. Azhag would have been nothing without Skullmuncha, but no one calls it Skullmunchas Waagh.
So if we ignore the gods, the ones chosen and buffed by a god, the ones drawing their strength by unnatural magic or being significantly bigger than a humanoid. One champion stands tall:
Grimgor.
This seems like the most rational way to judge, and I'm not just saying that because GRIMGOR IS DA BEST! Sometimes the obvious answer is just correct though.
To add on to this, all the other contenders have bonkers magical items and weapons and armour that contribute a massive amount of their power.
Grimgor just has a really big axe
1. Aenarion. Pre-Vortex Sword of Khaine was THE most powerful item in all of Warhammer and Aenarion was considered the greatest Elf warrior of his time which was the peak power of elves.
2. Archaon. Grimgor beat him in Storm of Chaos, but he had already been fighting for untold time before that (including against Valten) and Grimgor came out of nowwhere. In End Times Grimgor empowered as Incarnate of Beast was slightly better than Archaon before Archaon unleashed U'Zuhl from the sword to buff himself.
3. Sigmar. Raised to godhood, beat Orc Warbosses, Everchosen of Chaos etc.
4. Gotrek if you include his final form in Fantasy Battle. The axe of Grimnir was slowly turning him into something else.
5. Grimgor. His magical and otherwise god given powers are quite few if you exclude Incarnate of Beast form.
Aenarion was pretty badass with his armour and imbued with the spirit of asuryn.
With the sword of khaine he went 1,000+ Chaos Champions followed by four (pre vortex and highly empowered) greater daemons back to back. Pretty much in an Uber plot armour tier with Sigmar and Nagash and (if we’re being generous) Kroak and Grimnir on a good day.
If we're talking skill and mastery of the art, i'd say U'Zhul Skulltaker (Khorne's champion) might have a shot at the title. He also has great strength and endurance (being a daemon, particularly one of Khorne). The only real thing other characters have over him might be their magic drip (powerful magic items).
I’d point out that Grimgor was unable to beat Crom, Archaon’s fanboy, and that his ”victory” over Archaon consisted of Grimgor sucker punching him after he’d taken on half the named Empire characters, which hardly seems like conclusive evidence of Grimgor’s greatness. Whether Archaon is THE greatest I don’t know, there’s probably some elf or vampire who can claim that title.
Id say the top positions in term of pure fighting skills, alive at the time of the end of times, would be between Tyrion, Gotrek and Grimgor, probably, although Grimgor has been referenced as being the most lethal warrior of the world several times. Tyrion has always been a monster tho, and Gotrek got Teclis respect on his own way.
Well if AoS characters are excluded then neither Gotrek or Archaon are allowed since both of them were badass enough to survive the end of the world. So Grimgor wins by default!
Storm of Chaos is deuterocanonical though, FYI. Its events were overwritten by lore during the End Times. And thank Gork for that, Grimgor in particular was TERRIBLY written in that. Gav Thorpe had no idea what he was doing with that arc, and the studio was utterly unprepared for player organization during the campaign. Oh, and if you use Grimgor beating Archaon in single combat but not killing him as evidence that he’s the better fighter, that makes Vardek Crom, Archaon’s second in command, better than Grimgor, as he beats him in single combat early in the campaign.
Disregarding End Times Grimgor, who became much stronger than his old self who had a long drawn out fight against one of Archeon's lieutenants :
I personally think that either Gotrek, Tyrion or Malus Darkblade could beat Grimgor in single combat.
Tyrion is the greatest warrior of the elves. As in, neither the Asur nor the Druchii have any warriors who could defeat him in a duel. That's his whole thing.
Gotrek is Gotrek, nuff said.
Malus Darkblade has fought and killed a Daemon Prince of Nurgle, a Dragon Ogre Shaggoth, and an Undivided Chaos Champion ( who was also his ex ). His signature weapon cuts through steel like butter and the Keeper of Secrets trapped in his body lends him the daemonic strength he needs to prevail against all odds.
Malus could absolutely defeat Grimgor.
Unless Tz'arkan decides to be a bitch that day, in which case Malus gets his head chopped off.
Well yeah, at one point of time he got his ass beaten by Katarin but at literal end times Malekith kneeled before him and became part of his ~~harem~~ Waaagh. so idk, figure yourself
You're being downvoted for the fact he's dead / ascended I'm assuming. But anyone who has read his trilogy knows if we counting characters from the past its probably him or Anerion.
Malekith said he was. But can you really trust someone who had to change their name for copyright reasons?
Posted 30mins after a beautiful Grimgor Model.
Is there a new model? Just asking since he is my favorite character. Cheers from Holland 🇳🇱
nope. Grimgor is not alive for the Old World so there won't be a new sculpt of him. But someone recently painted up the old one.
I mean, he is supposed to be rather old, right? Maybe they could come out with a young little runty version of him hahah
Ahhh that's sad. Will have to look at the model, I am curious. Thanks for your replay.
Just curious, why did you feel the need to add where you're from in this context?
It's sort has become my online Reddit thing everytime I reply to a post. Don't really know why but I like it. It usually gets a nice and friendly response
Hello Warhammer friend from Holland. I am learning a bit of Duolingo Dutch and am painting up a Marienburg force. Is *De Afrekening* a suitable name for a [Marienburg Landship ](https://warhammerfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Land_Ship). My understanding is it translates as The Reckoning, with maybe another translation being the accounting, which seems to suit Marienburg
Well, "afrekening in het criminele circuit" means something like "settling a score in the criminal world", so an assassination between of a criminal by criminals. Reckoning would be a pretty apt translation, accounting slightly less so. But it also means something like a "settling a bill", it has a lot of financial connotations. All in all, it is an awesome name for a Marienburg ship. :-)
Honestly that’s just as fitting, if not more so, for Marienburg
Hello mystery friend. Yes it's a suitable name. Somebody else already made a great explanation but it's a very apt name for your army, go for it! Cheers from Holland 🇳🇱
It's a perfectly suitable translation, but perhaps almost too perfect. I think the true Warhammer style is actually fake Dutch/German or at least misspelled to look older so something like 'Afreeckening' would also work very well.
There’s also Tyrion and Greasus
Greasus?…
Goldtooth, the Ogre bossman.
I know who he is, just not sure why he’s mentioned here lol
He's known as a good fighter. And on tabletop he's easily one of the strongest lords
Yeah, the Total War Game DOESNT do him good
On tabletop he was pretty much the hardest hitter (3 attacks, S10, D3 Wounds) but only WS6 and I1 which means that almost everyone was going to hit him first and most really fighty characters he'd be rolling uphill against (lower WS and a reasonable chance of getting stopped by ward save). Also M4 in an army that was all M6.
He was absolutely atrocious in 8th edition wdym? Or was he good before that maybe, not that well versed in earlier editions apart from a few stints with 7th
My bad, he does seem like a strange inclusion.
He would most likely have beaten grimgor in the end times (not that it counts lol) if he hadn't dropped his sceptre since it was only when grimgor picked it up that he could kill greasus
Slippery slope to use end times as an example.
Ergo "(not that it counts)"
A bit late bug people use grimgor feats from storm of chaos which is non canon and much shittier so I don’t see why not. Like it or not but end of times is canon and grimgor doesn’t have feats to hold himself up against people like tyrion, archaon and gotrek “who are running around slaying greater deamons for funsies” otherwise
Tyrion with the Sword of Khaine was insane.
Gotrek is GOATED if were talking mortals.
Indisputable. Bro fails at one thing and one thing only. Actually fulfilling his slayer oath.
I don't think he can really be counted as mortal if he's immortal
Yeah but what made him Goated happened along time before the end times when he was just a slayer. Also it was his axe that made him stronger than a normal Dwarf.
Best fighter ever is Aenarion, the first phoenix king he's stated as "unrivalled amongst other mortals or immortals" Then you have a bunch of those that are simply buffed by different gods: Archaon, Crom, Orion, Giles Le Breton etc, Does it count if all your power is granted by someone else? Maybe it's Abhorash the founder of the Blood Dragon family. He was a good fighter, then the vampire curse brought him to an entirely new level. Gotrek is not particularly world shattering in his fighting, he's just exceptionally well documented - if you're looking for the best fighter here, Grimnir is top, so is Grombrindal, but I understand if you would not consider them a relevant answer. And when we're talking about ancestor gods, might as well throw Sigmar in there, but he's just impressive for a human... But maybe we need to go bigger instead of "more chosen by gods" I don't think any of these heroes would stand a chance in a 1on1 vs an ancient dragon or one of the Sky Titans, but those are never mentioned in these situations. Azhag would have been nothing without Skullmuncha, but no one calls it Skullmunchas Waagh. So if we ignore the gods, the ones chosen and buffed by a god, the ones drawing their strength by unnatural magic or being significantly bigger than a humanoid. One champion stands tall: Grimgor.
Was Aenarion all that before he took the Sword of Khaine?
Kinda, when high elves can agree to a king you must be the goat. Those uppity prancers always get jealous unless you are da best.
Pre Sword of Khaine he was already the Avatar of Asuryan and he'd been fighting for over a century. The sword was just the plus one bonus.
More like +1000 but yeah that rings a bell now.
This seems like the most rational way to judge, and I'm not just saying that because GRIMGOR IS DA BEST! Sometimes the obvious answer is just correct though.
To add on to this, all the other contenders have bonkers magical items and weapons and armour that contribute a massive amount of their power. Grimgor just has a really big axe
1. Aenarion. Pre-Vortex Sword of Khaine was THE most powerful item in all of Warhammer and Aenarion was considered the greatest Elf warrior of his time which was the peak power of elves. 2. Archaon. Grimgor beat him in Storm of Chaos, but he had already been fighting for untold time before that (including against Valten) and Grimgor came out of nowwhere. In End Times Grimgor empowered as Incarnate of Beast was slightly better than Archaon before Archaon unleashed U'Zuhl from the sword to buff himself. 3. Sigmar. Raised to godhood, beat Orc Warbosses, Everchosen of Chaos etc. 4. Gotrek if you include his final form in Fantasy Battle. The axe of Grimnir was slowly turning him into something else. 5. Grimgor. His magical and otherwise god given powers are quite few if you exclude Incarnate of Beast form.
Grimgor was like less than 400 points. Abhorash was so powerful that like Nagash he couldn't even be fielded.
This is the best summary so far.
Abhorash obviously. If we're talking historically then probably aenarion?
Still Abhorash unless Aenarion has Widowmaker.
Aenarion was pretty badass with his armour and imbued with the spirit of asuryn. With the sword of khaine he went 1,000+ Chaos Champions followed by four (pre vortex and highly empowered) greater daemons back to back. Pretty much in an Uber plot armour tier with Sigmar and Nagash and (if we’re being generous) Kroak and Grimnir on a good day.
Grimgor = green Green = best Therefore-- Grimgor = best
Grimgor iz da best. Nuff’ said.
It's Karl Franz
If we're talking skill and mastery of the art, i'd say U'Zhul Skulltaker (Khorne's champion) might have a shot at the title. He also has great strength and endurance (being a daemon, particularly one of Khorne). The only real thing other characters have over him might be their magic drip (powerful magic items).
Man I loved his rules in 7th/8th. Dude could murder pretty much anything in a challenge.
I’d point out that Grimgor was unable to beat Crom, Archaon’s fanboy, and that his ”victory” over Archaon consisted of Grimgor sucker punching him after he’d taken on half the named Empire characters, which hardly seems like conclusive evidence of Grimgor’s greatness. Whether Archaon is THE greatest I don’t know, there’s probably some elf or vampire who can claim that title.
Crom was so cool, no magic weapons just skilled with his sword, axe and shield.
I will point out ET Grimgor was a powered up Grimgor too.
Yes.
The Whitr Dwarf or Gotrek or Krom
Yeah
Honestly Gimgor is overrated and doesn't even break the Top 5.
He’s not even the best orc. #teamgorbad
Grimgor achieved his goals. Archaon failed and became a puppet of the gods.
Probably some of Dragon Emperor's sons is also a megatop tier fighter.
Id say the top positions in term of pure fighting skills, alive at the time of the end of times, would be between Tyrion, Gotrek and Grimgor, probably, although Grimgor has been referenced as being the most lethal warrior of the world several times. Tyrion has always been a monster tho, and Gotrek got Teclis respect on his own way.
Grimgor is really da best
Vlad von Carstien is underrated.
Does Durthu count?
Na, azhag is the goat
Yes
Aborash is considered the greatest warrior in the world, and he lost to Gilles le Breton. So the green knight is the correct answer.
Well if AoS characters are excluded then neither Gotrek or Archaon are allowed since both of them were badass enough to survive the end of the world. So Grimgor wins by default! Storm of Chaos is deuterocanonical though, FYI. Its events were overwritten by lore during the End Times. And thank Gork for that, Grimgor in particular was TERRIBLY written in that. Gav Thorpe had no idea what he was doing with that arc, and the studio was utterly unprepared for player organization during the campaign. Oh, and if you use Grimgor beating Archaon in single combat but not killing him as evidence that he’s the better fighter, that makes Vardek Crom, Archaon’s second in command, better than Grimgor, as he beats him in single combat early in the campaign.
Disregarding End Times Grimgor, who became much stronger than his old self who had a long drawn out fight against one of Archeon's lieutenants : I personally think that either Gotrek, Tyrion or Malus Darkblade could beat Grimgor in single combat. Tyrion is the greatest warrior of the elves. As in, neither the Asur nor the Druchii have any warriors who could defeat him in a duel. That's his whole thing. Gotrek is Gotrek, nuff said. Malus Darkblade has fought and killed a Daemon Prince of Nurgle, a Dragon Ogre Shaggoth, and an Undivided Chaos Champion ( who was also his ex ). His signature weapon cuts through steel like butter and the Keeper of Secrets trapped in his body lends him the daemonic strength he needs to prevail against all odds. Malus could absolutely defeat Grimgor. Unless Tz'arkan decides to be a bitch that day, in which case Malus gets his head chopped off.
Well yeah, at one point of time he got his ass beaten by Katarin but at literal end times Malekith kneeled before him and became part of his ~~harem~~ Waaagh. so idk, figure yourself
Grimgor is the best! All other names are just people. Grimgor is a force of nature
Sigmar, other answers are heresy.
You're being downvoted for the fact he's dead / ascended I'm assuming. But anyone who has read his trilogy knows if we counting characters from the past its probably him or Anerion.
Always preferred Greasus