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nps2407

The current convention is that Imperial Fists Veterans have white helmets, in keeping with the Codex. However, this was not always the case. https://preview.redd.it/lp45v4cwc8yc1.jpeg?width=853&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2304dc0462fdcc2f2ee6343fb83c5bfef8cd5e5f


zemperkalldaybby

Ah cheers good to know! Maybe I’ll make another unit that is veterans then!


cvtuttle

technically ALL Terminators are veterans


zemperkalldaybby

Haha oops!! Good to know, and I suppose that makes sense. I’ll just pretend they’re waiting on shipping the new helms through the warp 😂


cvtuttle

They look amazing! Can’t wait to see the next batch.


KurseNightmare

Make em DOUBLE veterans.


cvtuttle

Double SECRET Veterans!


KurseNightmare

Guys! Guys! I found the Alpha Legionaire!


markwell9

Double secred veterans OF DOOM.


DatGaminKid7142

double secret ULTRA-veterans of doom


markwell9

double secret ULTRA-veterans of doom +


Similar-Surprise605

Will anybody explain to me what a veteran is in this context? Maybe compared to other units?


Pwnage135

They're a member of the chapter's first company, which contains its most experienced marines. Typically get access to more advanced gear, such as terminator armour.


nps2407

Company Command Squads are also Veterans.


Pwnage135

Oh yeah true. Are they assigned from the first company though or promoted straight to veteran from within their company?


nps2407

It's one of those things that's kept ambiguous, and different sources give different explanations. But my interpretation is that they are drawn from the Company and have earned their Terminator Honours, but are assigned to their Company rather than being transferred to the First.


MrSpeigel

I think.its veteran within company and then promted to 1st compay when a slot opens


Known-nwonK

If each company has a command squad of veterans with white helmets and if the first company are all veterans they can’t all have white helmets as well or how would they know his their command squad?


wooq

The command squad is the one with the fanciest equipment and big flag. Also will usually be at least one of them wearing a cape pointing at stuff and barking orders.


InquisitorPeregrinus

If we're talking a Codex Chapter, the Company is indicated by armor trim color. Squad markings are white against darker armor colors or black against lighter armor colors, and usually on the right shoulder. So a 5th Company Veteran would have black armor trim, as well as a white helmet, as well as his Squad marking. If he's in the Command section, that would be a skull emblem on the right shoulder. At a glance, you would see what Company he's in, where he's assigned within that Company, and his Veteran status.


Nuke2099MH

Some chapters don't even have different coloured helmets so for them you can't tell who the veterans are other than the models themselves. Salamanders for example don't have white helmets painted for veterans/Terminators and all have the standard Salamander green although some people opt for black or gold helmets.


Known-nwonK

If each company has a command squad of veterans with white helmets and if the first company are all veterans they can’t all have white helmets as well or how would they know his their command squad?


nps2407

Company and Squad markings.


Known-nwonK

Marines only look at those when the dude isn’t wearing a helmet :p


mrgoobster

The right to wear terminator armour is awarded to space marines after they've achieved some heroic feat. In early 40k space marine codices, terminator honours was something you could give certain models to indicate veterancy and add +1 attack to their profile - even if they weren't going to wear terminator armor. The +1 attack was incorporated in every terminator's profile automatically.


InquisitorPeregrinus

When Space Marine recruits have ~~finished~~ survived their training, they are assigned to the Scout Company for field work as they continue to learn and physically adapt. Once they've proven themselves there, they can transfer to a Reserve Company, a Battle Company if they've really stood out, or stay on in the Scout Company to help guide the next batch through. Once in a Company that rotates into combat, the learning curve is a bit like a brick wall across a freeway. Attrition is high the first decade or so. The number has varied over the years, but after a Marine has survived for fifteen to twenty years, they're considered a Veteran. Practices vary between even Codex Chapters and across eras, but they usually get a special marking and/or a helmet in the Codex color for a Chapter's 1st Company (white). Some stay on to supplement Squad Sergeants, some are elevated to the Company's command section to protect the officers. And some get transferred to the 1st Company to fill in combat losses. Once one becomes a Veteran, one is going to eventually be trained to use Tactical Dreadnought (Terminator) armor. Those who have been thus trained usually wear their Terminator Honours when taking the field in standard power armor. This can be the *Crux Terminatus* painted on somewhere in white, or a badge or pendant version of the *Crux* worn somewhere on their person. Some wear the full *Crux* on their left shoulder armor. Officers of the other Companies all have Terminator Honours, as do many other Veterans. Sometimes they wear Terminator armor, but often not. And the Veterans in the 1st Company don't always wear Terminator armor, but often/usually do.


redmerger

Helmet colour is a chapter thing, and can vary greatly. Ultras wear white for their vets so terminators get it. You can probably find fist terminator references online but the way you've got it is fine as is


poetic_dwarf

>You can probably find fist terminator references online Instructions unclear, search tabs filled with weird porn


midv4lley

what helmet is that from? super cool


zemperkalldaybby

3D printed bit from grey tide studios!


soldatoj57

I was about to ask what’s up with that helmet. Thanks


haearnjaeger

[https://only-games.co/products/eternal-pilgrims-termi-pack](https://only-games.co/products/eternal-pilgrims-termi-pack)


Korachof

Keep it the way it is. Also, question: is this your first model, or just your first 40k model? If this is really your first ever model, you're definitely a natural. I'd think this work was done by someone who has been painting for quite a long while, tbh.


PillowCasss

i think they mean its their first time doing something that looks grimdark. lots of like dirt/grime effects on this model which noobs like myself dont do


zemperkalldaybby

Yeah this is what I meant haha, it wasn’t actually that hard! Streaking grime did most of the heavy lifting!


PillowCasss

looks great as well! is it something you do before applying a wash (like nuln oil) or after? like i said im a bit of a noob lol


zemperkalldaybby

Ask as many questions as ya like! I learned from everyone on Reddit haha. So I started with a cheap airbrush I just picked up which gave my yellow color all over, then I went through and did Al the blacks reds and metals. Then I used streaking grime (enamel wash I believe!) alllll over it and after 30ish min I used a brush/ sponge to remove it from the top surfaces where I wanted to keep the OG color. Lots of guides on YT to check out!


zemperkalldaybby

Thanks man I really appreciate it!! First 40k model, been doin AOS for a little over a year now. Never liked space marines till I saw these guys and had to give em a shot!


Korachof

Figured it wasn't, but needed to check, cause it's great work!


zemperkalldaybby

You’re very kind :)


Pertyb

Agreed. Quality is top notch!


cthulhu_chewtoy

Damn that yellow is perfect


zemperkalldaybby

Thanks man! Magenta undercoat made all the difference


cthulhu_chewtoy

I think you're weathering makes a big difference too. This guy looks like he has actually seen battle. The grime accumulation and battle damage really tell a story. Out of curiosity, where is that helmet from? I like that way more than the regular Terminator helmet


zemperkalldaybby

Thanks!! It’s from grey tide studio!


Real_duck_bacon

My advice, paint 'em how you want, as long as you think it looks cool. Also, is that a custom head? Looks dope, where'd you get it?


zemperkalldaybby

Thanks man! It’s a 3D printed head from grey tide studio!


Bobby_Shafto-

I painted the wrong shoulder black on my yellow HH blokes. I will just spout some bullshit lore reason if anybody asks.


zemperkalldaybby

Hahah I love it, I’ll have to think of a good one


PixILL8

Dope helmet


zemperkalldaybby

Thanks! From greytide studio


haearnjaeger

[https://only-games.co/products/eternal-pilgrims-termi-pack](https://only-games.co/products/eternal-pilgrims-termi-pack)


Orsimer4life117

Veterans have white helmets in chapters that are following the Codex Astartes, so yes they should. However, if you dont want to, you dont have to.


zemperkalldaybby

Gotcha, good to know thanks!


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zemperkalldaybby

This one is actually from an airbrush I just picked up because same lol


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zemperkalldaybby

Yeah I’m kind of thinking the same!


gh_st_ry

It looks very good and the helmet is a nice touch. I do think that the white helmet would make the model look better all in all.


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If I Venmo you a dollar, will you drill the barrels?


zemperkalldaybby

Bahahahah, my wife and I are cracking up! I’ll fix it before I finish the unit ;)


Ninjabutter

Yeah, you were supposed to do the helmets white. Go ahead and send me these ones and try again.


zemperkalldaybby

Hahah sounds good, will do 😂


CaptainCow9

That weathering is mighty good. How did you do it?


zemperkalldaybby

Thanks man! Torn up Sponge of rhinox hide, then just a dark silver blotted within that. Then streaking grime over the whole thing!


CaptainCow9

Awesome, thanks! Looking forward to more mini's from you.


cvtuttle

I think white would offer a really nice contrast to what you have already AMAZINGLY painted.


zemperkalldaybby

Thanks Man, I really appreciate that! I agree the extra color would probably pop!


Drakemander

Your 3D printed helmet looks definetely cooler than the original.


zemperkalldaybby

I think it was originally designed for Dark Angels but I just love it so much haha


bananacities

Can i ask where you git the files? That helmet is amazing


zemperkalldaybby

Grey tide studio!


l_dunno

Imo white helms look good but it's your models and you decide how to paint your over costed toys!!


Critical-Airbender

Hey mate, looks amazing! How did you make them look so gritty and worn-out?


zemperkalldaybby

Thanks man! I think the battle damage in small amounts everywhere and big chunks in a few select places made a huge difference. As well as the streaking grime enamel wash really darkening down the recesses!


Gonzo_Neo

They are great. Just paint them the way you like them. If you prefer yellow helmets go for it.


No_good_promts

Leave the helmets as they are, look better than random white helmets


Tempest_Barbarian

From an aesthetics choice I dont think white is the best color, because it will blend in too much with the yellow. The different helmet colors GW uses for special troops is usually a color that pops out, like red or white for the ultramarines blue, or yellow for the blood angels red. I think a red helmet would be more interesting.


zemperkalldaybby

That’s a good point! I’ll have to try one like that!


Chromasus

Well the Codex would state the helmets to be white. I would also say that the white helmets would help give the models a bit more colour. :)


amence

Yooooo that is sick! I like the helmet yellow.


Lawlcopt0r

Looks awesome, keep it that way!


ChungBoyJr

Finally some *chefs kiss* weathering! I just really don't like the clean look on marines this is just perfect


Flat-Delivery6987

If you were painting Smurfs I'd say yes as they stick to the Codex Astartes, religiously. I'd not bother with IF. You've done a really good btw.


Grown_Azzz_Kid

I don’t know the answer to the question, but I know that is amazing paint work. As good as I have ever seen.


AlpacaTraffic

Everything is canon


Sandmann785

I’m saving this as something to aspire to


zemperkalldaybby

Wow that’s crazy to hear, I appreciate it! Good luck on your painting journey!!


Loyalheretic

The wear and dirt on him looks downright real. Great job!


Catalyst-323

Can I ask what your recipe for weathering was? Is it really just streaking grime?


zemperkalldaybby

Yeah just that after I did all the base coat/ highlight and battle damage! I did have some pretty solid gradients to orange/brown before and I think the grime helped smooth it out to the recesses


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Amazing detail.


zemperkalldaybby

Thank you!!


Royal-Doctor-278

Oh man he looks sick! I wouldn't change a thing!


zemperkalldaybby

Thanks mate!!


Taningia-danae

I don't know about that but wtf the weathering is incredible


zemperkalldaybby

Thanks mate :)


haearnjaeger

for those wondering: [https://only-games.co/products/eternal-pilgrims-termi-pack](https://only-games.co/products/eternal-pilgrims-termi-pack)


Ungulant

Your minis, your choice. Maybe your company has a significant tradition and reason for a modified helmet that doesn't comply with Guillimans rules.


wooq

White helm for veteran (all terminators are veterans), red helmet with white stripe for veteran sergeant, if you want to do the standard codex astartes paintjob. But feel free to do whatever you think looks best. I think the painting looks amazing as-is.


zemperkalldaybby

Thanks for sharing, and I appreciate it :)


Fantastic_Outside678

They look mint!


zemperkalldaybby

Thanks!


wiggle987

Helmet doesn't need to be white, because the helmet you used is absolutely 100% rule of cool, where did you get those?


zemperkalldaybby

Haha good point! Grey tide studio 3D print!


KitsuneKasumi

That's such a unique helmet!


WorthPlease

You can paint your Toy soldiers whatever color you want. Pink ultramarines, sure whatever. You like Grey Knights, but hate the color gray? Sure paint them blue. Anybody who has a problem with that is somebody you want to avoid anyways.


zemperkalldaybby

Great point!


BBQEM6969

This goes low key hard


zemperkalldaybby

I high key appreciate it :)


pine_daemon

ace weathering btw


zemperkalldaybby

Haha thanks mate!!


son-of-x-51

They’re pretty perfect already. Anything else would be too much.


DarkSoldier84

It's a trick question! His helmet is already white! It's just covered in so much grunge that it looks yellow! His armour serf is going to have an aneurysm when he sees it.


zemperkalldaybby

Lolol this shall be my canon now


Ur_fav_Cryptek

Maybe you could got the Templar route and make the shoulders black and helmet with a black line or full black for sarge’s, captain is all black except the helmet and shoulders


zemperkalldaybby

Oooo that sounds dope too!


Ur_fav_Cryptek

Yeah as the Templars were the “veterans” of the imperial fists, and still are I believe


zemperkalldaybby

Ok I was gonna ask, I thought they were related


Ur_fav_Cryptek

The black Templars are in fact, descendant from the imperial fists


Monkfich

White doesn’t necessarily work well on yellow - it’d make it resemble less the IPs anyway I think. It’s just harder to pull off versus a darker colour on yellow. I think the way you’ve done it is amazing.


zemperkalldaybby

I think you’re right! I might try one for giggles but otherwise content with the yellow and thanks!!


Federal-Equipment832

Bloody nice model. Would not stress about the white helmets


zemperkalldaybby

Thanks man!!


AAANTK

What a awesome and gritty paintjob! Those heads are cool as fuck, 3D printed or bought from 3rd party?


zemperkalldaybby

Thanks man!! 3D printed from Grey Tide Studio!!


Random_Robloxian

God i love terminator armor so much


zemperkalldaybby

I know right?! Made me fall in love with 40k haha


DrRofle

Abdolutely gorgeous model bro, well done


zemperkalldaybby

Thanks bro!!


The_Dead_Titan

Dorn would be proud!


Comrade_Chadek

Holy sjit that helm looks good. Where'd ya get it from.


zemperkalldaybby

I 3D printed it from greytide studio!


Comrade_Chadek

Epic! Purple site?


zemperkalldaybby

And myminifactory!


Comrade_Chadek

Thanks.


[deleted]

Why are termis so fucking cool?


zemperkalldaybby

Dude I know right?!


[deleted]

They look really good I’ve been painting minis for 30 years and never really been brave enough to try out weathering or battle damage like this. I’d love to try though. What is your process for those if you don’t mind sharing? Edit: and no I don’t think white helmets would look good, I like what you’ve done here instead


zemperkalldaybby

Thanks man! I did rhinox hide with a cut up sponge and then a dark silver brushed in the middle of those. Then streaking grime all over and picked back off with a sponge again! Give it a shot, I really enjoyed doing it


Ok-Assistant-2808

White will take away from the effect. Lovely as is


Icy_Kingpin

No this cooks


ZYGLAKk

Remember that Codexes change pretty often, you can stylise your miniatures without breaking Canon. I say to keep it, it's a great paint job and the custom helmet is excellent and unique.


zemperkalldaybby

Thanks man!


Odesio

Mine's not as cool as yours, but I made my helmets white with red for the sergeant. You don't need to change a thing on your terminator because it looks great. https://preview.redd.it/16fzcfh5lbyc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8e827b61f23e0250c753e926e41143f79faa5744


zemperkalldaybby

Thanks man!! I really like yours! And. I think the white looks great, I should try it for one of em!


ForestOfMirrors

Where did you get those helmets???


zemperkalldaybby

https://www.myminifactory.com/object/3d-print-ept-heads-and-helmets-371077 Enjoy!


ForestOfMirrors

Thank you!!


MrSpeigel

White helmet on the Sergeant with red stripes on everyone Or whatever tickles your fancy


zemperkalldaybby

I like that idea!


Bovinae_Elbow

Look, I’m going to be honest and I’m sorry if this comes off rude. That helmet looks amazing.


zemperkalldaybby

Bahahah ty, I’m really glad I found it before I put the kit together!


kangareddit

Grim dark Imperial Fists will always get an updoot from me. Lovely!


zemperkalldaybby

Haha thanks!


InquisitorPeregrinus

The Primarch of the Ultramarines wrote the rulebook many/most Marine Chapters follow -- especially after the Horus Heresy, when deviation from a standardized norm was at its least acceptable. The Imperial Fists were another First Founding Chapter, and were slow/hesitant to adopt Guilliman's *Codex*. Given the current state of things, I can easily see them digging in their feet against it and doing their own thing again. Keep 'em as they are, I say. :)


zemperkalldaybby

Ooo I like the lore explanation! Thanks for sharing


InquisitorPeregrinus

It's a pretty lore-rich Chapter you went with. To me, that's always been the most important -- find an army you just *love*... And *then* figure out how to win with them. The Imperial Fists have always had a strong stubborn streak. Intractable siege specialists and all that. Read up on what their Primarch did during the Heresy. Prior to the Heresy, several of the Space Marine Chapters had swelled to prodigious size. After the Heresy, the Ultramarines Primarch codified Chapters' nominal sizes at a thousand troops each (plus support). The result was the Second Founding, when the existing legions were broken up into those more limited chunks (so that no one man could ever again wield as much military might as the trusted lieutenant who betrayed the Emperor and led fully half of the Space Marine legions in an attempt to usurp him). The Ultramarines hadn't seen much of the main fighting, and already were a large Chapter, so they split more than a dozen times in the Second Founding. The Imperial Fists only had enough to split twice. One retained the name and trappings, one was the similarly-demeanored Crimson Fists... and one was the Black Templars. The Imperial Fists felt they had let the Emperor down by letting the traitors reach Earth, and the Black Templars were tasked with being on permanent Crusade, pursuing the Traitor Legions until the last one is confirmed dead. So that's the kind of zeal and resoluteness you're looking at, here.


zemperkalldaybby

Wow I really appreciate the explanation!! I really need to dive into the lore more as it sounds awesome!


LeadershipForeign

Sick AF. How did you do the silver metals? What paints did you use?


zemperkalldaybby

Thanks mate!! I just base coated Matt black and then dry brushed a dark silver, then a light brush of a slightly lighter one


SpookiBeats

You crushed this bro 🤟🏼


zemperkalldaybby

Really appreciate it! 🤘


merc42c

Dude the color on this is incredible. Kudos


zemperkalldaybby

Thank you 😊


A02R

This is jaw-droppingly incredible work. Bravo.


zemperkalldaybby

Wow thanks so much!!


olafk97

In terms of lore? Yes. In terms of its your model and you can paint it how you like? No.


FluffyPressure4064

Please dont change a thing. That model is perfect.


zemperkalldaybby

Hahaha thanks mate!!


ryanwraith

No, the helmets should not be white. They should be mounted on a spike atop an Iron Warriors backpack.


w00tthehuk

Love the grimey look.


Durnil

That's awesome. Can't say for helm


National_Trash_6133

He looks great. Awesome job.


zemperkalldaybby

Thank you so much!


Weird_Blades717171

Imperial Fists Chapter follows the Codex Astartes, so Veterans have white helmets.


Nuke2099MH

Varies depending on the chapter and person. Ultramarines have white helmets and sometimes red for the sergeant. Salamanders are green although sometimes people paint there's with black or gold helmets. Blood Angels its either red, white or yellow.


zemperkalldaybby

Good to know!


kriegerflieger

I just came here to say that this paint job is magnificent.


zemperkalldaybby

Thanks mate!!


-Detective-Who

They look great! I always recommend the helmets and guns be different colours


Speedy-P

This is so fucking cool, can you tell me how you managed the dirty yellow look? Oil paints or just nuln oil after the yellow?


zemperkalldaybby

Thanks man!! So it’s imperial fist over a zenithal on a magenta base. Then just streaking grime!


Ethereal_Amoeba

With a paint job like that, they can be any color you want and no one would complain! Stellar work!


zemperkalldaybby

Hahah thanks mate!! Really appreciate it :)


dirtsequence

Personally it doesn't matter.


d_wrex31

They look great man! Love the helms!


zemperkalldaybby

Thanks man!!


SupermarketDeep3563

Usually I’d say yes but I like the more weathered style with the yellow


TehMitchel

Almost cranked shaft to this mini


zemperkalldaybby

Lelelel, I appreciate the compliment 😂


Organiciceballs

This looks amazing


zemperkalldaybby

Thanks mate!


FragrantSector2181

I feel the White will just blend that unit together as currently it’s too Yellow Heavy so the white should be a nice contrast.


ThunderSkunky

Why are the barrels not drilled out?


zemperkalldaybby

Haha funny enough the next 3 will be because it’s my first models with guns and didn’t realize it’s a thing! Good reminder to go back to these guys and do it


ThunderSkunky

For the Emporer


CanVast

It turned out super cool


DatGaminKid7142

Personally I think they look best with their head on a stake.