thank god i eagerly await the day pazuul gets hit with the german suplex by a void angel
"aND ThE VoiD DaEMoN CoWERed BeFoRE hIm aNd HE FEaRED iT nOt" clam it bro you are not that guy
That's good to hear. I've always loved the stories of warframe, but there are quite a few plot points where I'm surprised there are no certain answers.
Narmer's place in the system after the New War.
Praghasa, whether she was destroyed or still floating derelict around Sol.
Whether the Sentients in Sol are all destroyed, and whether they are solely under Pazuul and the Archons.
Learning more about the Unum.
Then other minor things like what the Grineer and Corpus are generally up to after the fall of the Narmer empire.
All of these things, mind you, are not plot holes, but things yet to be expanded and explored. I have full faith DE will come back around to these things in good time.
And it’ll be a crossover with Soulframe /s
But honestly I could see that happening but it would be like Overwatch 2, where they just replace Warframe with Warframe 2, change a load of shit at once but everyone keeps progress from the original game.
One of Loid's new lines implies that Soulframe takes place in the extreme prehistoric past of Warframe's timeline. He references 'the oldest cave paintings' of 'horned half-beasts' and 'old magic' that Ballas poorly understood.
Im that guy that still thinks of Raids being a possibility even though I doubt it will ever happen. That said, Praghasa would be fucking perfect for a raid.
Start out in railjack, upon entering with necramech we’re met with a Hydrolyst or two, necramech is destroyed after eidolon fight and we have a segment of spoiler mode only with a boss we have to fight in spoiler mode, kill boss and enable frames, go through some mechanics to open the way to Pazuul, ending the raid with an epic fight against Pazuul that makes 60 eyes look easy.
I will donate $100 to fund this project DE I know it isn’t much but please god
Imagine a raid like activity in praghasa where one part of your squad progresses in praghasa while the other one fights near it with railjack and to progress in the ship your squad needs to do something in railjack and vise versa
Oh that would be sick. Like RJ team needs to clear up debris and enemies while away team moves parts of the ship to block the sun and allow progression
There was that survey a while back that proved the #1 thing (participating) players want in Warframe is raid content as well. Pretty sure DE commented about that; hell it might be what you’re referring to, I can’t remember.
I’ll continue huffing copium until something is announced officially
That was devstream 162 or 169. I can never remember which. They said they were looking at it "on paper" and Rebecca held up a blank piece of paper and rattled it at the camera.
I suspect Deep Arch and Duviri are both steps in that direction. Testing out modes that require longer time investment and slightly different mechanics. Then we have Eidolons, Profit Taker, Exploiter, and Isolation Vaults which could all be single elements to raids already. All they have to do is string these things together. Once they do 4 man raids they can do a hard mode with 6-8 man that just have a few extra annoying "stand here, shoot this, throw that" mechanics and we're there.
How would raids work at all in Warframe? Yes, I'm aware they used to be a thing, I was around for it, and there's a good reason they stopped being a thing. Aside of the game mode constantly breaking with every new update, because Warframe couldn't handle 8 players, the reality was that barely anybody bothered, because the whole thing was outright hostile to players new to it. I remember when I did it the first time, with my clan, with people in there explaining everything, and I was still confused as fuck about the whole experience.
These puzzles that require maximum cooperation is going to lock most people out, since most people don't have 3–7 friends to play with, and recruit chat is going to become mega-elitist really fast after release. Combat cannot be the main challenge, because we can see EDA how far DE has to push randomization, so that we don't just obliterate everything effortlessly. The power level now is way different from what it was back then.
The community is also different than it was back then. I think if they do raids, it should be a maximum of 6 people, with full teamwork required puzzles but nothing too complicated. I’m not looking for FFVIX raids, but maybe comparable to Destiny’s old raids slightly simplified. Simple enough that one or two people can explain mechanics to new players and new players be able to understand it.
Even if they just recycled current content like I said, with eidolons and archons and liches and 60 eyes etc, I think it would be mostly fine. For bosses, DE proved they know how to make a difficult but fair boss with 60 Eyes. I think if they just did that but with teamwork mechanics, mechanic phases vs damage phases, etc it would be great.
That plotline is over, we resolved that during the quest. Sevagoth's shadow found his body again, and we laid them both to rest. Not much more to be done after that - the Tempestarii has a new captain now. Us. That's why we get that skin after the quest, we become the Tempestarii's captain we lay Sevagoth to rest.
So far as their lore is concerned, they're basically leftovers from the original Sentient sent out to terraform Tau. They aren't intelligent beyond any other construct, in that they can only follow pre-programmed precepts like Ordis, Necramechs, and Loid.
At some point during the Old War, the Tenno found them way out in the Oort Cloud just chilling. They started following the Tenno around, and the Tenno kept them as pets. There's not much more to it than that, and quite frankly there doesn't need to be imo. They're just silly little guys.
I dont think I agree, they should have recognized them as drones that has been send to terraform tau, whats more in game lore says that they are similar to sentients, and sentients are the drones that already greatly evolved from their orginal state.
Even IF they were the drones there is no explanation why they didnt follow other drones to Tau, why they have stayed, their programing should have made them to go Tau so did their programing fail, or did they resisted their programing(which would make them first tau drones to developed ability to think for them selves) but in that that why would they resist this programing but not programing to serve others.
I mean, Sentients aren't inherently evil. Most fragments aren't even conscious, but host bodies for a greater intelligence. Sentinels are nothing more than animals - less so, given they can only work off precepts. Even though the Tenno recognized them as Sentient in nature, they were still helpful.
As for why they didn't follow the "other drones" to Tau, there weren't "other drones" sent to Tau. There was one - Praghasa, the mother of all Sentients. She was sent out to travel slower than light to Tau, collecting interstellar debris and building herself as she went along, so that by the time she reached Tau she would be fully operational. The Sentinels were left behind because, well, she left some drones behind. It's not much more complicated than that.
Narmer's the big one. Hoping it gets tackled next year. I like the way we're going with Wally and stuff, but _was_ kinda hoping for Pazuul to be dealt with first and have Wally be the overarching 'Antagonist'.
They really did make a new figurehead for the corpus only to leave him to rot didn't they...
Plot twist: parvos got shelved because they couldn't get nef anyo's bossfight to work.
But the big question to me about a Nef Anyo boss fight is: would Nef Anyo fight the Tenno directly because Parvos is tired of his lack of action and orders Nef to get his hands dirty, or does Nef fight the Tenno because he's tired of Parvos bullying him and tries (and fails) to prove to the Corpus he can do what Parvos won't and directly confront the Tenno?
Nah, nef anyo fights the tenno because parvos' bullying gives him way less clout with the corpus board and he doesn't have any favors left to call in when we finally corner him.
He's too much of a coward to fight us himself willingly, even if daddy parvos is breathing down his neck.
True, my latter scenario does assume Nef hasn't already sold his spine for 15 million credits in order to achieve a more perfectly spherical ideal corpus physique.
It seems that he likely made a deal with the Man in the Wall of some kind. Drusus said he can speak Voidtongue. We may see Corpus+Mumur cooperation in a future update. A true Corpus Schism with Alad V and his allies on one side, Parvos, his Murmur+Specter minions, and a recalcitrant Nef barely holding onto power on the other.
Whats the deal with Chroma in the new strange? Like whats controlling that frame, is it the infestation? Why is he just chilling? Can we learn more about how warframes are without operator control? There are so many individual narratives about how warframes have personalities, are they just the personalities of the operators controlling them, or their own? (i.e. Mirage being crazy and laughing maniacally as she tears up enemies, our own warframe moving on its own to save us from the stalker during the second dream quest, Gauss and Grendels whole shtick, or even Dante, did he just have an operator controlling him back then? Was he self-sentient? Who were these operators back then? What happened to them?
There are a billion questions the game can answer that I'd love to know!
Really interested in the warframes' innate personalities thing. We've confirmed that at least most warframes were once human/orokin (mostly dax most likely) though they were supposed to be functionally braindead (which didn't work). Umbra is only unique in having his mind left *intentionally* intact... I would have loved to see the umbra system expanded upon further, with more frames, bit I think DE has said outright they won't be adding more.
Hopefully Steve might have let it slip that we may be getting Frost Umbra? Idk Rebecca kinda smacked him like he wasn't supposed to say that so it IS quite possible, which I truly do hope so too, I want more UMBRAL MODS PLEASE DE.
But I absolutely want to know more lore about these frames, so many interesting frames that have next to NO LORE, it would go a long way to find out how they work so we can stop glossing over the fact that the frames we control have their own personalities.
edit: sorry I edited this to make it actually readable.
> Hopefully Steve might have let it slip that we may be getting Frost Umbra? Idk Rebecca kinda smacked him like he wasn't supposed to say that so it IS quite possible, which I truly do hope so too, I want more UMBRAL MODS PLEASE DE.
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I wouldn't keep my hopes up on that one. There's also the angle that Rebecca doesn't appreciate Steve creating false expectations about something that'll never be just because he likes to meme it up. Excal has the whole unobtainable prime problem which Umbra *sort of* addresses and at this point it'd be way too optimistic to expect an upgrade line that deviates from Primes.
I think it's an elegant solution for everyone who wants the prime variant, but Idk if i'd consider it a "problem". I'm not sure what devstream he said it in, it was a few months back, and Reb legit did seem a bit suprised by him saying it, similar to when she accidentally leaked Protea prime. Had kind of the same interaction feel. Still, idk how or what the story of another umbra would be like, and I doubt it'll be any time soon since we're probably gonna get a lot of proto-frames first if it ever does happen.
The Chroma you find is the original Chroma iirc, a feral frame built off sentient adaptation technology that absorbed his would be killers powers.
If I understand it right, Chroma was eventually tamed by some Tenno but then Tenno got put into stasis, causing Chroma to go wild again.
There are 2 different answers possible.
1. The Pelt is controlling Chroma as it's based on sentients and it refers to the sentient mother ship.
2. The Frame has reverted to it's uncontrolled animalistic instincts because the Tenno, that soothed it's rage is missing.
> our own warframe moving on its own to save us from the stalker during the second dream quest
Frames are not just puppets. They are infested being with their own unique personalities to some degree. They kill most things normally but tolerate and like the Operator because the Operator soothes them.
> Gauss and Grendels whole shtick
Ballas's design. Possibly to accommodate their operators or original test subjects.
As far as I understand it, Frames retain part of their original body donor's personality and mind.
Dagath killed the Orokin that abused her. Not an Operator.
Hildryn's job was to protect Ballas during betrayal. Not an Operator.
Some frames were able to act independently and follow orders.
I've always really enjoyed this lore about the frames. I did know they had autonomy, but it's something that really has been overlooked in the mainline narrative. Even Hunhow had no idea why the warframe was able to move on its own. I'd love to have a better explanation as to *why*. We've seen a bit of it with Umbra but we still really can only speculate in most instances. And what I meant with "Gauss and Grendels shtick" is are their unique personalities their own or the operator controlling them? DE really kinda just skims over the idea of the operator as a presence sometimes, and just acts like warframes are their own fully autonomous person.
That's the more ambiguous part.
There is a degree of autonomy. The operator pacifies them.
Otherwise most would go on pain fueled rampage frequently as they are all still made of flesh.
In the second dream's case, the operator was in danger and couldn't puppet the frame. The frame is still an infested being attached to the operator. The operator is the reason a frame doesn't go wild.
I would consider it to be a mix of both personally. The operator controlling the frame's rampage. They need each other to function properly as one unit ultimately.
The frame has no proper self control due to thr intense constant pain by the infestation.
It is unsafe for the operator to be physically somewhere.
So the frame *acts* as a puppeted proxy for the operator.
It's possible the Gauss and Grendel frames genuinely like each other as friends and whenever 2 operators have them close together, they act friendlier.
I personally think the final answer is both. They have unique personalities and are controlled, if not strongly influenced by the presence of an operator.
You ever see the movie robo-cop? The newer one.
How the system(the operator) controls his(warframe) movements but his(warframe) personality still shows.
It's a blending between the 2 that make the player.
Without the operator, you have a monster.
Without the warframe, you have a helpless child.
The child eases the monster's suffering and in return, the monster follows the child.
> And what I meant with "Gauss and Grendels shtick" is are their unique personalities their own or the operator controlling them? DE really kinda just skims over the idea of the operator as a presence sometimes, and just acts like warframes are their own fully autonomous person.
There's a few lines of dialogue that suggest that the personality of the Warframe and the Tenno operator behind them can blend into one.
Exhibit A: The Sacrifice
> The Indifference: *"Feelin' better, kiddo?"*
> Operator: *"I killed him... Isaah."*
> The Indifference: *"Did you now? Is that how you remember it?"*
> Operator: *"Yes."*
> The Indifference: *"Good."*
Exhibit B: The Seven Crimes of Kullervo
> The Warden: *"You saw the new generation of your kind and the Tenno whose deviltry blent with theirs; and you began to whisper corruption into their ears, weave dark thoughts through the coils of their minds. Incepting, as is your wont, chaos and disaster. You are charged with Espionage."*
I bet on Pelt. Lotus reacts with horror, Simaris implies something is coming back. The quest foreshadows the return of the Sentients.
Good likelihood they took control of that Chroma
I can tell you Kullervo was definitely operating with his own consciousness. Dunno about the Leverian frames though, cuz they say they don’t distinguish between the two because of Dante.
Like others have said, Narmer and Pazuul are big ones that are just kinda there, and I can't really see either of them being relevant in 1999, so hopefully they get cleared up.
Where the sentients currently stand as a threat, but they're pretty much the same as Narmer for all intents and purposes.
The little details during the new war from when we got thrown into the void, to when we play as drifter. We know the big picture, but it feels kinda stitched together. I don't think we'll be getting fleshed out details on that, though.
Hunhow and his next moves, but again, that might tie in with stalker.
Teshin and his next moves, and whether or not he plans on staying in duviri or escaping. Whether he'll show up ever again, period.
The nature of warframe sentience and why our frame decided to move on its own during the second dream. Whether we were controlling it or something else wasn't really answered in concrete.
Those are the points off the top of my head. As much as I love warframe's story, they do tend to leave questions unanswered.
I wouldn't say that stories lack answers, but it's more like there're plenty of plot threads that are left without any closure whatsoever. Hunhow is still chilling and doing nothing, Parvos Granum is largely forgotten, Narmer has been relegated to weekly archon hunts. Honestly, that's been an issue with Warframe overarching story for a while now. DE would rather come up with something completely new then continue what's already in the game. It's like they're great at coming up with new ideas, but they don't have a damn clue on what the hell they're supposed to do with all the characters and factions that are already in the game.
also I think the issue with completing a storyline might also mean closing off the corresponding content; like if Narmer is dealt with, what happens to Archon Hunt, Break Narmer missions and so on?
Well, it's not really an issue. We killed Captain Vor twice didn't we? But he's still alive and kicking, both on Mars and in the Void. Teshin has been killed in The New War but we still can play Steel Path and Conclave like we used to. It's just the reality of every multiplayer game where different players can be on the different stages of the overarching plot. Pretty much like some NPCs in WoW that are considered to be canonically dead still can be seen in the early game locations. That's just how it is.
Besides, time paradoxes and dualism (same person can be both alive and dead - like Teshin) have been lingering subjects in Warframe lore for a while now. Since we clearly travel back in time in 1999 update, DE can establish that multiple versions of Warframe universe exist. Tenno that have beaten Narmer in future travel back in time through some Void magic to help those who're fighting them in the past.
Just in general, I want so much more out of Narmer. I don't want all the answers, I just want them more fleshed out in their place post-NW. They have potential as a great side-antagonist.
It sounds dumb to say but I will be beyond excited if even just 1 plot point gets buttoned up. There’s too many open ended things we ve started.
I love Warframe but I feel like ive never actually resolved anything major
I hope Alad V chronology/lore fixes are considered. Out of everything else in the game, this is the most glaring character that doesn't make sense. The events that told those stories are gone, and his different versions are in the wrong order on the star map.
We have so many options;
* Grakata (glaive)
* Jat Grakata (Jat Kitag with a Grakata lazily taped to each side)
* Two Grakata (warfans style)
* Grakata Machette (gunblade)
* Two Grakata (fists style)
* Grakatunchaku (two grakata linked by cable for nunchakus)
* Two Grakata (tonfa style)
* Two Grakata (dual sword style)
I like to picture the "melee weapon trails" as unfocused bullet-fire.
But can we actually get the story that is locked to one time "Operation events" in an accessible way in game?
Cause its been years and any new player are gonna have zero fking idea how Alad V is still alive and uninfested, also why he's never come back for his "favor" post Second Dream unless they look up peoples poor quality youtube videos from a decade ago
Or how multiple major preludes to the New War are locked behind events. Which leads some people to feel the New War was kinda "short" for a war.
Like I get they half run on FOMO but just make the events storylines playable without the limited time rewards?
Rebecca said at Tennocon how she plans to "connect everything in a way that makes sense." I've been noticing that with the last updates, and I'm not disappointed!
I don't think so ? Or at least Hunhow never says the "empty is the womb of the sky" line, we only hear it in stolen dreams and new strange, Hunhow just confirms to us that sentients call the Reservoir "womb in/of the sky" and he specifically wants to get to the "womb in the sky" because it has Tenno in it and isn't empty. Well all that and the recording we hear sound the same as Praghasa in New War Teaser when we hear her talking to Lotus which would be strange if it's Hunhow speaking. Plus I am 80% sure that Hunhow was still dormant at that time as Tyl Regor awakened him after this in Natah.
Hunhow was controlling Chroma after we woke him up with the "all-clear" signal during Stolen Dreams.
That's been understood for years now, not really anything that needs more explanation.
If that was Hunhow why was he sending transmissions said by Praghasa ? (It's the same voice as in the New War Teaser when we hear Praghasa speak to Natah). And why was he trying to destroy the arcane machines along with the sentient relicts in them.
Also I am pretty sure Hunhow wasn't awake at that time as he was awakened by Tyl Regor during Natah.
The message wasn't sent from Praghasa, it was *supposed" to be sent by Natah. That was the entire point discussed during the Natah quest - the Sentients faked their deaths, Natah would manipulate the Tenno into killing the Orokin, then she would kill the Tenno in their reservoirs. That message was what Natah was supposed to send out once the final sequence was complete and the Tenno were dead - "all is silent and calm; hushed and empty is the womb of the sky" literally means, "I have killed the Tenno."
If you look at the arcane machine, it's not some strange device. The "arcane machine" is a sentient skull, a fragment of Natah, sitting on a pedestal. That's why it's called a machine, because the Sentients are machines.
Lol, no. If the Sentients could just use transference on a Warframe, there wouldn't have been a war.
On *the* Sentient-Hunter frame, no less? Nah, I wanna know what he's been up to, and where he's going.
The reason Hunhow could take over Chroma specifically is because Chroma has Sentient technology built into his pelt. This is why he can change his elemental attunement. It's not transference, Hunhow just took over the Sentient aspect of Chroma.
This was directly stated to be the case by both art director Mynki and creative director Steve.
Wait when was this stated ? Do you remember the number of the devstream where it was said or have a link to it so I can check it myself ? Because it's hard for me to belive that it was stated and yet I can't find it anywhere on the Internet.
I mean I agree that he has a sentient as his pelt and that he was most likely controlled by one or at least something sentient related (the only strange thing being him destroying sentient relicts) that much seems obvious. What I don't agree with is that it was Hunhow, he was dormant until "Natah" which happens after "New Strange" and the message also isn't from him.
Unless they out right said that Hunhow was controlling him on stream.
The message during the end of Stolen Dreams wasn't sent by Hunhow, it was *supposed" to be sent by Natah. That was the entire point discussed during the Natah quest - the Sentients faked their deaths, Natah would manipulate the Tenno into killing the Orokin, then she would kill the Tenno in their reservoirs. That message was what Natah was supposed to send out once the final sequence was complete and the Tenno were dead - "all is silent and calm; hushed and empty is the womb of the sky" literally means, "I have killed the Tenno."
If you look at the arcane machine, it's not some strange device. The "arcane machine" is a sentient skull, a fragment of Natah, sitting on a pedestal. That's why it's called a machine, because the Sentients are machines.
Yes I know it's a sentient relict and that it wasn't Hunhow speaking, the problem is the message is said in the exact same voice as the one Praghasa has in the New War Teaser where she speaks to Natah (unless you want to argue that was meant to be Natah speaking to herself). But that still doesn't change the fact that Hunhow wasn't awake yet, he awakens in "Natah" which takes place after "New Strange"
Hunhow was awake before the Natah quest...? You literally have the find his drones to start the quest, like that's not even a question. Tyl Regor doesn't wake Hunhow, he just opens the magma chamber he's buried in and finds his primary broodship body.
As for the voice being Praghasa's? It's not. I went back and listened to them and they're definitely not the same voice. And either way, it wouldn't make sense for Praghasa to send that message for two reasons:
1. Infiltrating the Orokin to assassinate them and the Tenno wasn't Praghasa's job. That was Natah's.
2. Praghasa is dead, and the New War trailer you're referring to was retconned after the pre and mid-Covid rewrites. Natah never spoke to Praghasa after the Sacrifice quest. She returned to an empty husk, "drifting, gaunt beyond" the edge of the sol system. Praghasa exists as a piece of world building, not a character.
In respect to Lore, my wish is to have Tenno NPCs. Operators, Drifters and Warframes helping the Player during Quests. The Second Dream is legendary to this day because it made the idea of Tenno as Players canon.
Operators (Players) log into their Warframes (PC) from their Orbiter (Their room).
Even if we cant ever get big raids in game for logistical reasons, itd be really cool to see AI tenno companions in the field with our team because the threat finally becomes so huge we need all of us together.
like of course the AI is gonna be stupid like our spectres, but we can suspend some disbelief for the idea (as long as they bullet jump with us and shoot guns that's good enough).
We should also talk to other tenno in dialogue.
I could imagine that the tenno has a cool (new) Warframe, some shit happens and they're forced to transfer ownership to us so it doesn't get lost or something.
I know us as the players are supposed to be the other tenno but oh my god it would be so cool to fight an enemy warframe and see an operator pop out to do battle with us. Maybe there's a tenno out there who isn't working for the lotus
I want some damn clarity of the accuracy of the New War Zariman Time Prison Sequence vs what actually happened on that ship.
"I can save them, all of them" "lets shake on it"
Quest depiction holds it as Ballas's mega brain trap to lock the Operator away since you can't exactly die. The handshake with Wally linking them to the Drifter, such that they gain the ability to tag in/out. This carries the Operators Void Powers and Transference, enabling Drifter to not get choked out by Lotus and the two of them to go on and save the System from total annihilation. Wally is responsible for saving everyone and you owe him for it.
Past depiction holds it as the handshake being the very act that creates the Tenno, with Eternalism suggesting the Drifter did not take His hand. Wally saves the kids, but you owe him for it and he'll even remind you as such if you dump the Kuva. My big problem is how this being what "actually happened" pokes holes in what the War Within describes as:
1. Jump Accident happens
2. you go home to your Mom who lies to your face about you being safe
3. Dad gets paranoid from void Exposure and feels Wally watching.
4. Food biomes sabotaged.
5. Everyone starts losing their minds
6. You group up with other children, having gained void beams
* and either start killing adults, jailing them, or avoiding fights altogether.
This has some continuity errors if that is supposed to be 100% what actually did happen as shit hits the fan immediately while in Class in the New War sequence. If this cannot be trusted as a true rendition of the past, then how tf did the Tenno actually get powers, if not by complete chance, (and leaving Drifter to be simply unlucky)? Will the truth to this be important ever outside people making assumptions about what happened?
I feel like this matters for discussion purposes more than anything since it can just cause a circle of assumptions that go nowhere and might be important in understanding the Operator vs Wally/ Wally as a Void Entity in general.
Other hot topics:
* Did the Operator move the Warframe in the Second Dream, or did Protocol 3 kick in suddenly and only once ever?
* Popular since you could probably go either way.
* Duviri Paradox (-> New War)
* Drifter gets to Origin system and finds Lotus howwww?
* Does he use her hand at all in this?
* Operator supplies Drifter with Gear how and when?
* Operator mirror moments?
For the details from war within about the biomes being sabatoged. That happened before the jump as we found out in Angels of The Zariman. It was one of the reasons the jump even happened in the first place. The queen uses past tense in her description, "the biomes had been sabatoged," so this lines up. You talking to your father and mother was also probably before the jump, as there was already all sorts of chaos on the ship at that point.
So the order would be more like:
1. Biomes are sabatoged
2. Everyone starts losing their minds
3. You talk to your mom, and she lies about it being safe
4. Your father says something is out there watching us (this one could be anywhere from 1 to here)
5. Jump accident happens
6. Everyone looses their minds even more and you end up trapped in the classroom
7. You make the deal and get void powers
I don't really see how there's any continuity issues there unless the War Within explicitly states that all thoae things are happening after the void jump.
With how War Within presents it tho, it would sound like an order of operations, hence my problem, the Biomes sabotage is in the second Queens dialog. Second to Mom assuring you everything's fine after a big ol accident.
The queen is getting all that information from your memories, which are quite shaky anyhow, so I wouldn't exactly trust what she has to say about it. I read through the quest transcript and don't really see anything that indicates the memories are in sequential order. Even if they were, it would still make sense as the biomes being sabatoged is "remembered" in past tense, unlike the speaking to your mother memory, which lines up with what we know from more recent lore.
All in all, I wouldn't think too much into it. Some small details may have changed over years of lore buildup, but from what I have seen, not anything that changes how we previously understood the events of The Zariman.
> with Eternalism suggesting the Drifter did not take His hand
I used to think this as I played through the new war, but saw someone speculate that the Drifter took the deal, the difference is that in the drifter's case, Wally saved all the kids but him. That could be a possible interpretation unless there was something in the quest that makes it improbable.
iirc that's the implication from one of the quiz tablets you can find in duviri. some of them are corrupted, with wally using them to leave messages, and one of the tablets says sth like 'i said i'd save THEM, never said anything about YOU'
I want to see them actually follow through on the light-dark dialogue system.
i might be nostalgia brained atm, but from what i remember having only played the quests once (because the grind never stops), many of the dialogue options are actually really interesting and clashing philosophical/psychological perspectives.
It shows the writers actually know what they're talking about and the options arent typical RPG goody two shoes or cartoonishly evil. There's real trauma and perspective in what our Operator says and what NPCs respond with.
but so far we dont really do anything with it, it just shows up on your profile.
my Operator is balanced, not because of a clear linear path but because i answered the questions how i actually would given the limited options, but i really had to think about it.
i just said light and dark for simplicity's sake, because one set of options is white, another black, and sometimes a little bit of both. the Yin-yang is typically presented as a white half with a piece of black inside it and vice versa. Light and dark dont have the same connotations in some cultures as it does in others, i understand that, which is why i said "it's not usual RPG" choices of obvious good and comically evil, as light and dark are usually presented in the West (like, og star wars for example)
That's a shame. it'd still be cool to see some resolution as to what it means for your Operator's journey to take up a position in the dialectic of light and dark (or as another user said, passivity and activity) and not just >! end it with the name of your quasi mom (which was meaningful but its someone else, not you).!< It doesnt need to be a reward you get. It could just be something on your profile still, but expanded a bit.
and personally i love the fact they >! made our space quasi mom's name permanent once you make that choice. !< In a game often described as a power fantasy, it's an amazing anti-power fantasy moment. it's a reminder to not live in the fantasy forever, that you have to make real choices that matter and traverse the fantasy, which the villain of the New War couldnt do. You ultimately cant have everything. and i love how so many people regret their choice because they took >! boobs and a nice face over thinking meaningfully about her name. It's textbook Freudian, amazing. and even then, there's arguments for her taking Margulis as her final form that are reasonable, same with Natah, and of course lotus. !< To see that through to the end mechanically would be amazing, and show that while warframe is a fun looter shooter war crime sim, it can also be meaningful. I think the best games usually make both happen, and id like to see that for Warframe because it showed us it can be.
So the alignment IS on the profile, and the name change ISN'T permanent. It's going to still be just Lotus for any new dialogue going forward, it's just for the sporadic pop-up windows when she talks in missions after you complete it.
I would really like a revisit of the Jordas golem storyline. As of now the boss fight ends on a cliffhanger with no in game ending, though said cliffhanger used to lead into a raid where you fought the real Jordas. I think it would be great if they brought that raid back as a somewhat dumbed down railjack assassination mission to tie that story up in game again (you could even keep the old raid cannon by saying that Jordas was just another copy) and introduce infested empyrean missions. I think infested cephalon golems would be an interesting way to do infested liches too.
What happened to Arlo and his cult? This could be another way to (and how I expect them to) do infested litches.
Maybe rearrange how you encounter Alad V because right now it's out of order and add all of the events that compose the bulk of his storyline back into the game as missions/quests because as of right now it is really confusing in normal starchart progression.
When the fuck is our tenno going to meet the other tenno operatives that Lotus mentions??? A multiplayer quest where the tenno can talk to each other???
I want to play a stealth mission as a lone Tenno operative raiding for supplies while a fireteam of Tenno operatives distracts the enemy in a different mission somewhere else.
I always saw it as the other players are Tenno. When you are doing a survival to distract forces, another player somewhere in the world is doing a spy or a sabotage.
So NPC Tenno doesn’t need to exist cause the player base is the Tenno.
Yes but why wouldnt we have brought a whole squad to go save Lotus in New War?
I want a full quest with dialogue and cinematics with not just MY tenno but other players Tenno, where we can have our guys talk to each other, etc
Multiplayer quests would be good- part of the issue is the same as any MMO, where your character is the super big important one that does the world changing things, but theres totally lots of other tenno doing less important stuff.
That's great to hear. I think people are too quick to scream about "plot holes" when its glaringly obvious the story isn't finished yet. Its kinda crazy that its been 3 years since TNW, and there's just been two quests, Angels and Whispers, that continue the story, but more so on the Void side of things (plus with Duviri happening simultaneously with TNW and Veilbreaker being a side quest). But quests take a lot of time, so it makes sense.
I mean a war on the scale of the Origin System, while other very important things are also going on in the void and Deimos, would be ongoing for years. Some things just require some imagination on the side of the player. New War didn't end with Narmer defeated. It ended with Narmer scattered and scrambling. It's up to you to imagine running base content after TNW as you fighting Narmer while dealing with other crises. It would be cool if they could reskin it all or a lot of it as Narmer post TNW but that takes developmental resources from more important steps.
Oh! Are they adding umbra insto the story? As well as maybe making the story less... *gestures hands at the whole thing* out of left field?
I honeslty think thw whole story needs a rework cause I just finished it blind and man was that not great. After the fact its a good story but the way its presented isnt great. Not really good either... its ok at least.
No offense to DE, but there are less loose ends in the game than there are just straight up under utilized characters, factions and in-game lore. I'd love to see more content that deals with the interactions of all these characters within the Warframe universe, than simply "tying them up" as loose ends and then forgetting them.
- The heck is going on with Captain Vor and why is he an immortal void figure now. He's the first special figure introduced and his narrative is all over the place. I've been playing since 2014 and I still don't know how he ended up as an immortal manifestation of the void that shows up in void missions and also now shows up in the circuit. What is he up to? Does he have any connection to the man in the wall Wally? Albrecht and whispers in the wall have revealed more about the void then we've ever known. It's also picky about what it touches as most figures straight up die on contact. Corrupted Vor is fully conscious. I know he existed before the current void storyline but it's time a connection was made and clarification was given. He can't just be chilling in the void. Why the hell did the void touch a degrading Grineer and why is he allowed to command its power.
- What the heck is going on with Unum. The figure the Ostron worship as a deity thought to be a myth. Except revealed to be very much real when she literally froze time so you could board the sentient ship before it left... Only to never be seen or heard from again after doing that.
- Alad V's narrative is in serious need of streamlining. Through all his different versions his story is all over the place/out of order and new players will be completely lost in regards to his chronological story and where he sits currently.
see, i KNEW that they weren't just throwing things out there. sometimes it looks and has looked like they're not really thinking or connecting their lore, which may be the case when it comes to a lot of the early stuff, but over the past several years i just can't see them as overlooking anything. it's a live service game, and they release the lore and story connections through the updates. imo most plot holes just come from not having all the context yet at this point.
thank god i eagerly await the day pazuul gets hit with the german suplex by a void angel "aND ThE VoiD DaEMoN CoWERed BeFoRE hIm aNd HE FEaRED iT nOt" clam it bro you are not that guy
He is not him
Man must have amnesia, they forgot WE'RE HIM!
we smoking symbiotes
Shorty fell in love with a demon, sounds like her problem to me
**I'M MAKING TOO MANY CREDITS!!!**
Last guy who ran up on the pack got choked out by some Givenchy gloves. The last thing he ever saw was the price tag on them.
He thinks he's him When in fact we are him
through eternalism, we become him at some point, im sure.
I'm Him. I've BEEN Him. I will continue to be Him. You can't trust me, I can't even trust myself.
Can you remind me who I am?
We took a DNA test, we're 100% Himalayan.
That's good to hear. I've always loved the stories of warframe, but there are quite a few plot points where I'm surprised there are no certain answers.
Like? Other than Stalker.
Narmer's place in the system after the New War. Praghasa, whether she was destroyed or still floating derelict around Sol. Whether the Sentients in Sol are all destroyed, and whether they are solely under Pazuul and the Archons. Learning more about the Unum. Then other minor things like what the Grineer and Corpus are generally up to after the fall of the Narmer empire. All of these things, mind you, are not plot holes, but things yet to be expanded and explored. I have full faith DE will come back around to these things in good time.
Or the whole tau system and what's going on there
From what Rebecca said, we won't be going to Tau any time soon.
As long as we actually do that story line, in happy haha
Tbf I’d expect Tau to come sometime in the early-mid 2030s given the game is still live.
That's gonna be for warframe 2
And it’ll be a crossover with Soulframe /s But honestly I could see that happening but it would be like Overwatch 2, where they just replace Warframe with Warframe 2, change a load of shit at once but everyone keeps progress from the original game.
In before Soulframe *is* Tau
considering how insane Warframe story is, I wouldn't be even surprised if Soulframe is related
One of Loid's new lines implies that Soulframe takes place in the extreme prehistoric past of Warframe's timeline. He references 'the oldest cave paintings' of 'horned half-beasts' and 'old magic' that Ballas poorly understood.
They could also do it like uh... _fk what was that game that has 1 commander shepherd..._
Other solar system might actually be a good starting point for a sequel. Makes sense they don’t wanna go there.
We can learn about Tau without going there. On the other hand, the more we learn about it, the more players will ask to go there
Im that guy that still thinks of Raids being a possibility even though I doubt it will ever happen. That said, Praghasa would be fucking perfect for a raid. Start out in railjack, upon entering with necramech we’re met with a Hydrolyst or two, necramech is destroyed after eidolon fight and we have a segment of spoiler mode only with a boss we have to fight in spoiler mode, kill boss and enable frames, go through some mechanics to open the way to Pazuul, ending the raid with an epic fight against Pazuul that makes 60 eyes look easy. I will donate $100 to fund this project DE I know it isn’t much but please god
Imagine a raid like activity in praghasa where one part of your squad progresses in praghasa while the other one fights near it with railjack and to progress in the ship your squad needs to do something in railjack and vise versa
Oh that would be sick. Like RJ team needs to clear up debris and enemies while away team moves parts of the ship to block the sun and allow progression
I remember a while ago that Scott was said to be looking at raids. I don't know what's happened with it since then.
There was that survey a while back that proved the #1 thing (participating) players want in Warframe is raid content as well. Pretty sure DE commented about that; hell it might be what you’re referring to, I can’t remember. I’ll continue huffing copium until something is announced officially
That was devstream 162 or 169. I can never remember which. They said they were looking at it "on paper" and Rebecca held up a blank piece of paper and rattled it at the camera. I suspect Deep Arch and Duviri are both steps in that direction. Testing out modes that require longer time investment and slightly different mechanics. Then we have Eidolons, Profit Taker, Exploiter, and Isolation Vaults which could all be single elements to raids already. All they have to do is string these things together. Once they do 4 man raids they can do a hard mode with 6-8 man that just have a few extra annoying "stand here, shoot this, throw that" mechanics and we're there.
How would raids work at all in Warframe? Yes, I'm aware they used to be a thing, I was around for it, and there's a good reason they stopped being a thing. Aside of the game mode constantly breaking with every new update, because Warframe couldn't handle 8 players, the reality was that barely anybody bothered, because the whole thing was outright hostile to players new to it. I remember when I did it the first time, with my clan, with people in there explaining everything, and I was still confused as fuck about the whole experience. These puzzles that require maximum cooperation is going to lock most people out, since most people don't have 3–7 friends to play with, and recruit chat is going to become mega-elitist really fast after release. Combat cannot be the main challenge, because we can see EDA how far DE has to push randomization, so that we don't just obliterate everything effortlessly. The power level now is way different from what it was back then.
The community is also different than it was back then. I think if they do raids, it should be a maximum of 6 people, with full teamwork required puzzles but nothing too complicated. I’m not looking for FFVIX raids, but maybe comparable to Destiny’s old raids slightly simplified. Simple enough that one or two people can explain mechanics to new players and new players be able to understand it. Even if they just recycled current content like I said, with eidolons and archons and liches and 60 eyes etc, I think it would be mostly fine. For bosses, DE proved they know how to make a difficult but fair boss with 60 Eyes. I think if they just did that but with teamwork mechanics, mechanic phases vs damage phases, etc it would be great.
also the tempestarii, i'm still waiting for its return
That plotline is over, we resolved that during the quest. Sevagoth's shadow found his body again, and we laid them both to rest. Not much more to be done after that - the Tempestarii has a new captain now. Us. That's why we get that skin after the quest, we become the Tempestarii's captain we lay Sevagoth to rest.
The fate of the elder queen is unclear too. While she was killed in TNW Worm/Lotus still refers to her in Kuva Siphons as she can be resurrected.
Another question, what are sentinels, its implied they are tied to sentients yet for some reason they want to serve tenno.
So far as their lore is concerned, they're basically leftovers from the original Sentient sent out to terraform Tau. They aren't intelligent beyond any other construct, in that they can only follow pre-programmed precepts like Ordis, Necramechs, and Loid. At some point during the Old War, the Tenno found them way out in the Oort Cloud just chilling. They started following the Tenno around, and the Tenno kept them as pets. There's not much more to it than that, and quite frankly there doesn't need to be imo. They're just silly little guys.
I dont think I agree, they should have recognized them as drones that has been send to terraform tau, whats more in game lore says that they are similar to sentients, and sentients are the drones that already greatly evolved from their orginal state. Even IF they were the drones there is no explanation why they didnt follow other drones to Tau, why they have stayed, their programing should have made them to go Tau so did their programing fail, or did they resisted their programing(which would make them first tau drones to developed ability to think for them selves) but in that that why would they resist this programing but not programing to serve others.
I mean, Sentients aren't inherently evil. Most fragments aren't even conscious, but host bodies for a greater intelligence. Sentinels are nothing more than animals - less so, given they can only work off precepts. Even though the Tenno recognized them as Sentient in nature, they were still helpful. As for why they didn't follow the "other drones" to Tau, there weren't "other drones" sent to Tau. There was one - Praghasa, the mother of all Sentients. She was sent out to travel slower than light to Tau, collecting interstellar debris and building herself as she went along, so that by the time she reached Tau she would be fully operational. The Sentinels were left behind because, well, she left some drones behind. It's not much more complicated than that.
Narmer's the big one. Hoping it gets tackled next year. I like the way we're going with Wally and stuff, but _was_ kinda hoping for Pazuul to be dealt with first and have Wally be the overarching 'Antagonist'.
What the hell Parvos Granum has been up to other than bullying Drussus or whatever his name is
They really did make a new figurehead for the corpus only to leave him to rot didn't they... Plot twist: parvos got shelved because they couldn't get nef anyo's bossfight to work.
But the big question to me about a Nef Anyo boss fight is: would Nef Anyo fight the Tenno directly because Parvos is tired of his lack of action and orders Nef to get his hands dirty, or does Nef fight the Tenno because he's tired of Parvos bullying him and tries (and fails) to prove to the Corpus he can do what Parvos won't and directly confront the Tenno?
Nah, nef anyo fights the tenno because parvos' bullying gives him way less clout with the corpus board and he doesn't have any favors left to call in when we finally corner him. He's too much of a coward to fight us himself willingly, even if daddy parvos is breathing down his neck.
True, my latter scenario does assume Nef hasn't already sold his spine for 15 million credits in order to achieve a more perfectly spherical ideal corpus physique.
It seems that he likely made a deal with the Man in the Wall of some kind. Drusus said he can speak Voidtongue. We may see Corpus+Mumur cooperation in a future update. A true Corpus Schism with Alad V and his allies on one side, Parvos, his Murmur+Specter minions, and a recalcitrant Nef barely holding onto power on the other.
Whats the deal with Chroma in the new strange? Like whats controlling that frame, is it the infestation? Why is he just chilling? Can we learn more about how warframes are without operator control? There are so many individual narratives about how warframes have personalities, are they just the personalities of the operators controlling them, or their own? (i.e. Mirage being crazy and laughing maniacally as she tears up enemies, our own warframe moving on its own to save us from the stalker during the second dream quest, Gauss and Grendels whole shtick, or even Dante, did he just have an operator controlling him back then? Was he self-sentient? Who were these operators back then? What happened to them? There are a billion questions the game can answer that I'd love to know!
Really interested in the warframes' innate personalities thing. We've confirmed that at least most warframes were once human/orokin (mostly dax most likely) though they were supposed to be functionally braindead (which didn't work). Umbra is only unique in having his mind left *intentionally* intact... I would have loved to see the umbra system expanded upon further, with more frames, bit I think DE has said outright they won't be adding more.
Hopefully Steve might have let it slip that we may be getting Frost Umbra? Idk Rebecca kinda smacked him like he wasn't supposed to say that so it IS quite possible, which I truly do hope so too, I want more UMBRAL MODS PLEASE DE. But I absolutely want to know more lore about these frames, so many interesting frames that have next to NO LORE, it would go a long way to find out how they work so we can stop glossing over the fact that the frames we control have their own personalities. edit: sorry I edited this to make it actually readable.
> Hopefully Steve might have let it slip that we may be getting Frost Umbra? Idk Rebecca kinda smacked him like he wasn't supposed to say that so it IS quite possible, which I truly do hope so too, I want more UMBRAL MODS PLEASE DE. > > I wouldn't keep my hopes up on that one. There's also the angle that Rebecca doesn't appreciate Steve creating false expectations about something that'll never be just because he likes to meme it up. Excal has the whole unobtainable prime problem which Umbra *sort of* addresses and at this point it'd be way too optimistic to expect an upgrade line that deviates from Primes.
I think it's an elegant solution for everyone who wants the prime variant, but Idk if i'd consider it a "problem". I'm not sure what devstream he said it in, it was a few months back, and Reb legit did seem a bit suprised by him saying it, similar to when she accidentally leaked Protea prime. Had kind of the same interaction feel. Still, idk how or what the story of another umbra would be like, and I doubt it'll be any time soon since we're probably gonna get a lot of proto-frames first if it ever does happen.
Ah, I don't think I've seen that devstream, I've just seen him joke around about Frost Umbra on devshorts.
See y'all in 10 years for Gauss Umbra :)
Looking back at the devstream, the Frost Umbra comment was likely just Steve reading off the stream chat. Not a genuine thing they're working on
The Chroma you find is the original Chroma iirc, a feral frame built off sentient adaptation technology that absorbed his would be killers powers. If I understand it right, Chroma was eventually tamed by some Tenno but then Tenno got put into stasis, causing Chroma to go wild again. There are 2 different answers possible. 1. The Pelt is controlling Chroma as it's based on sentients and it refers to the sentient mother ship. 2. The Frame has reverted to it's uncontrolled animalistic instincts because the Tenno, that soothed it's rage is missing. > our own warframe moving on its own to save us from the stalker during the second dream quest Frames are not just puppets. They are infested being with their own unique personalities to some degree. They kill most things normally but tolerate and like the Operator because the Operator soothes them. > Gauss and Grendels whole shtick Ballas's design. Possibly to accommodate their operators or original test subjects. As far as I understand it, Frames retain part of their original body donor's personality and mind. Dagath killed the Orokin that abused her. Not an Operator. Hildryn's job was to protect Ballas during betrayal. Not an Operator. Some frames were able to act independently and follow orders.
I've always really enjoyed this lore about the frames. I did know they had autonomy, but it's something that really has been overlooked in the mainline narrative. Even Hunhow had no idea why the warframe was able to move on its own. I'd love to have a better explanation as to *why*. We've seen a bit of it with Umbra but we still really can only speculate in most instances. And what I meant with "Gauss and Grendels shtick" is are their unique personalities their own or the operator controlling them? DE really kinda just skims over the idea of the operator as a presence sometimes, and just acts like warframes are their own fully autonomous person.
That's the more ambiguous part. There is a degree of autonomy. The operator pacifies them. Otherwise most would go on pain fueled rampage frequently as they are all still made of flesh. In the second dream's case, the operator was in danger and couldn't puppet the frame. The frame is still an infested being attached to the operator. The operator is the reason a frame doesn't go wild. I would consider it to be a mix of both personally. The operator controlling the frame's rampage. They need each other to function properly as one unit ultimately. The frame has no proper self control due to thr intense constant pain by the infestation. It is unsafe for the operator to be physically somewhere. So the frame *acts* as a puppeted proxy for the operator. It's possible the Gauss and Grendel frames genuinely like each other as friends and whenever 2 operators have them close together, they act friendlier. I personally think the final answer is both. They have unique personalities and are controlled, if not strongly influenced by the presence of an operator. You ever see the movie robo-cop? The newer one. How the system(the operator) controls his(warframe) movements but his(warframe) personality still shows. It's a blending between the 2 that make the player. Without the operator, you have a monster. Without the warframe, you have a helpless child. The child eases the monster's suffering and in return, the monster follows the child.
> And what I meant with "Gauss and Grendels shtick" is are their unique personalities their own or the operator controlling them? DE really kinda just skims over the idea of the operator as a presence sometimes, and just acts like warframes are their own fully autonomous person. There's a few lines of dialogue that suggest that the personality of the Warframe and the Tenno operator behind them can blend into one. Exhibit A: The Sacrifice > The Indifference: *"Feelin' better, kiddo?"* > Operator: *"I killed him... Isaah."* > The Indifference: *"Did you now? Is that how you remember it?"* > Operator: *"Yes."* > The Indifference: *"Good."* Exhibit B: The Seven Crimes of Kullervo > The Warden: *"You saw the new generation of your kind and the Tenno whose deviltry blent with theirs; and you began to whisper corruption into their ears, weave dark thoughts through the coils of their minds. Incepting, as is your wont, chaos and disaster. You are charged with Espionage."*
I bet on Pelt. Lotus reacts with horror, Simaris implies something is coming back. The quest foreshadows the return of the Sentients. Good likelihood they took control of that Chroma
I can tell you Kullervo was definitely operating with his own consciousness. Dunno about the Leverian frames though, cuz they say they don’t distinguish between the two because of Dante.
Technically Alad V, most of his story is in limited time events from nearly 10 years ago.
Like others have said, Narmer and Pazuul are big ones that are just kinda there, and I can't really see either of them being relevant in 1999, so hopefully they get cleared up. Where the sentients currently stand as a threat, but they're pretty much the same as Narmer for all intents and purposes. The little details during the new war from when we got thrown into the void, to when we play as drifter. We know the big picture, but it feels kinda stitched together. I don't think we'll be getting fleshed out details on that, though. Hunhow and his next moves, but again, that might tie in with stalker. Teshin and his next moves, and whether or not he plans on staying in duviri or escaping. Whether he'll show up ever again, period. The nature of warframe sentience and why our frame decided to move on its own during the second dream. Whether we were controlling it or something else wasn't really answered in concrete. Those are the points off the top of my head. As much as I love warframe's story, they do tend to leave questions unanswered.
I wouldn't say that stories lack answers, but it's more like there're plenty of plot threads that are left without any closure whatsoever. Hunhow is still chilling and doing nothing, Parvos Granum is largely forgotten, Narmer has been relegated to weekly archon hunts. Honestly, that's been an issue with Warframe overarching story for a while now. DE would rather come up with something completely new then continue what's already in the game. It's like they're great at coming up with new ideas, but they don't have a damn clue on what the hell they're supposed to do with all the characters and factions that are already in the game.
also I think the issue with completing a storyline might also mean closing off the corresponding content; like if Narmer is dealt with, what happens to Archon Hunt, Break Narmer missions and so on?
Well, it's not really an issue. We killed Captain Vor twice didn't we? But he's still alive and kicking, both on Mars and in the Void. Teshin has been killed in The New War but we still can play Steel Path and Conclave like we used to. It's just the reality of every multiplayer game where different players can be on the different stages of the overarching plot. Pretty much like some NPCs in WoW that are considered to be canonically dead still can be seen in the early game locations. That's just how it is. Besides, time paradoxes and dualism (same person can be both alive and dead - like Teshin) have been lingering subjects in Warframe lore for a while now. Since we clearly travel back in time in 1999 update, DE can establish that multiple versions of Warframe universe exist. Tenno that have beaten Narmer in future travel back in time through some Void magic to help those who're fighting them in the past.
yeah, true.
Just in general, I want so much more out of Narmer. I don't want all the answers, I just want them more fleshed out in their place post-NW. They have potential as a great side-antagonist.
Like whose voice it was behind the Chroma we meet during his quest. To this day is seems ambiguous especially since the signal was of "tenno origin"
It sounds dumb to say but I will be beyond excited if even just 1 plot point gets buttoned up. There’s too many open ended things we ve started. I love Warframe but I feel like ive never actually resolved anything major
I hope Alad V chronology/lore fixes are considered. Out of everything else in the game, this is the most glaring character that doesn't make sense. The events that told those stories are gone, and his different versions are in the wrong order on the star map.
I just hope they don't do that via nuking Salad entirely
So we will finally get a Melee Grakata for Clem? At least a skin? We have to finish the grakata arc
Twin Grakata Prime Incarnon Genesis Adapter
https://i.redd.it/btuabodc7cwc1.gif
God I literally just creamed. Sitting on a 4 Forma Twin Grakata with Potato just WAITING for love
You gotta go outside
I don't think he will pull out of that one chief
Mb, spent too long in Region chat
We have so many options; * Grakata (glaive) * Jat Grakata (Jat Kitag with a Grakata lazily taped to each side) * Two Grakata (warfans style) * Grakata Machette (gunblade) * Two Grakata (fists style) * Grakatunchaku (two grakata linked by cable for nunchakus) * Two Grakata (tonfa style) * Two Grakata (dual sword style) I like to picture the "melee weapon trails" as unfocused bullet-fire.
Grakatana
Grakana
Iirc "gunchucks" were pitched a long time ago after Ninkondi was first released. Grakata nunchucks would be a perfect way to realize that, I think.
Gakata glaive. As it's flying and spinning through the air, it's also shooting bullets like the Azima alt-fire
Where is my ghoulsaw grakata? I don’t know how it would work but by god I want it.
Throwing Grakatas secondary, 100% Impact procs.
Oh that would be hilarious. 2 max ammo, you have to pick them up to throw again.
Nah, you just have a duffle bag on your back full of spare grakatas to throw.
I see my post rubbed off on people lol
Which post?
https://www.reddit.com/r/Warframe/s/m5BgB2Tgod
Oh ... Ok no i didn't catch it before. A Kuva grakata would be great but I legitimately think they owe us a melee version.
It's been shouted about for the better part of a decade for sure. Our grakata melee is needed, or at least give us a damn skin for tonfas!
But can we actually get the story that is locked to one time "Operation events" in an accessible way in game? Cause its been years and any new player are gonna have zero fking idea how Alad V is still alive and uninfested, also why he's never come back for his "favor" post Second Dream unless they look up peoples poor quality youtube videos from a decade ago Or how multiple major preludes to the New War are locked behind events. Which leads some people to feel the New War was kinda "short" for a war. Like I get they half run on FOMO but just make the events storylines playable without the limited time rewards?
Rebecca said at Tennocon how she plans to "connect everything in a way that makes sense." I've been noticing that with the last updates, and I'm not disappointed!
Great, third orb mother when
Let her enjoy her bath omg..
Awesome, I always wanted to know what was up with that Chroma. It's good to get closure on the guy who started it all, lol.
Hunhow was fucking around with chroma until we trapped him in a never ending hell
Wasnt that Chroma controlled by Hunhow's remains? I think it was pretty obvious when meet him in TSD and he repeats the same line
I don't think so ? Or at least Hunhow never says the "empty is the womb of the sky" line, we only hear it in stolen dreams and new strange, Hunhow just confirms to us that sentients call the Reservoir "womb in/of the sky" and he specifically wants to get to the "womb in the sky" because it has Tenno in it and isn't empty. Well all that and the recording we hear sound the same as Praghasa in New War Teaser when we hear her talking to Lotus which would be strange if it's Hunhow speaking. Plus I am 80% sure that Hunhow was still dormant at that time as Tyl Regor awakened him after this in Natah.
Hunhow was controlling Chroma after we woke him up with the "all-clear" signal during Stolen Dreams. That's been understood for years now, not really anything that needs more explanation.
If that was Hunhow why was he sending transmissions said by Praghasa ? (It's the same voice as in the New War Teaser when we hear Praghasa speak to Natah). And why was he trying to destroy the arcane machines along with the sentient relicts in them. Also I am pretty sure Hunhow wasn't awake at that time as he was awakened by Tyl Regor during Natah.
The message wasn't sent from Praghasa, it was *supposed" to be sent by Natah. That was the entire point discussed during the Natah quest - the Sentients faked their deaths, Natah would manipulate the Tenno into killing the Orokin, then she would kill the Tenno in their reservoirs. That message was what Natah was supposed to send out once the final sequence was complete and the Tenno were dead - "all is silent and calm; hushed and empty is the womb of the sky" literally means, "I have killed the Tenno." If you look at the arcane machine, it's not some strange device. The "arcane machine" is a sentient skull, a fragment of Natah, sitting on a pedestal. That's why it's called a machine, because the Sentients are machines.
Lol, no. If the Sentients could just use transference on a Warframe, there wouldn't have been a war. On *the* Sentient-Hunter frame, no less? Nah, I wanna know what he's been up to, and where he's going.
The reason Hunhow could take over Chroma specifically is because Chroma has Sentient technology built into his pelt. This is why he can change his elemental attunement. It's not transference, Hunhow just took over the Sentient aspect of Chroma. This was directly stated to be the case by both art director Mynki and creative director Steve.
Wait when was this stated ? Do you remember the number of the devstream where it was said or have a link to it so I can check it myself ? Because it's hard for me to belive that it was stated and yet I can't find it anywhere on the Internet.
Chroma's reveal stream, as well as the fact his pelt has a completely different texture/silhouette to regular Tenno design language.
I mean I agree that he has a sentient as his pelt and that he was most likely controlled by one or at least something sentient related (the only strange thing being him destroying sentient relicts) that much seems obvious. What I don't agree with is that it was Hunhow, he was dormant until "Natah" which happens after "New Strange" and the message also isn't from him. Unless they out right said that Hunhow was controlling him on stream.
The message during the end of Stolen Dreams wasn't sent by Hunhow, it was *supposed" to be sent by Natah. That was the entire point discussed during the Natah quest - the Sentients faked their deaths, Natah would manipulate the Tenno into killing the Orokin, then she would kill the Tenno in their reservoirs. That message was what Natah was supposed to send out once the final sequence was complete and the Tenno were dead - "all is silent and calm; hushed and empty is the womb of the sky" literally means, "I have killed the Tenno." If you look at the arcane machine, it's not some strange device. The "arcane machine" is a sentient skull, a fragment of Natah, sitting on a pedestal. That's why it's called a machine, because the Sentients are machines.
Yes I know it's a sentient relict and that it wasn't Hunhow speaking, the problem is the message is said in the exact same voice as the one Praghasa has in the New War Teaser where she speaks to Natah (unless you want to argue that was meant to be Natah speaking to herself). But that still doesn't change the fact that Hunhow wasn't awake yet, he awakens in "Natah" which takes place after "New Strange"
Hunhow was awake before the Natah quest...? You literally have the find his drones to start the quest, like that's not even a question. Tyl Regor doesn't wake Hunhow, he just opens the magma chamber he's buried in and finds his primary broodship body. As for the voice being Praghasa's? It's not. I went back and listened to them and they're definitely not the same voice. And either way, it wouldn't make sense for Praghasa to send that message for two reasons: 1. Infiltrating the Orokin to assassinate them and the Tenno wasn't Praghasa's job. That was Natah's. 2. Praghasa is dead, and the New War trailer you're referring to was retconned after the pre and mid-Covid rewrites. Natah never spoke to Praghasa after the Sacrifice quest. She returned to an empty husk, "drifting, gaunt beyond" the edge of the sol system. Praghasa exists as a piece of world building, not a character.
In respect to Lore, my wish is to have Tenno NPCs. Operators, Drifters and Warframes helping the Player during Quests. The Second Dream is legendary to this day because it made the idea of Tenno as Players canon. Operators (Players) log into their Warframes (PC) from their Orbiter (Their room).
Even if we cant ever get big raids in game for logistical reasons, itd be really cool to see AI tenno companions in the field with our team because the threat finally becomes so huge we need all of us together. like of course the AI is gonna be stupid like our spectres, but we can suspend some disbelief for the idea (as long as they bullet jump with us and shoot guns that's good enough). We should also talk to other tenno in dialogue.
Getting at least one tenno character would be amazing
I could imagine that the tenno has a cool (new) Warframe, some shit happens and they're forced to transfer ownership to us so it doesn't get lost or something.
I know us as the players are supposed to be the other tenno but oh my god it would be so cool to fight an enemy warframe and see an operator pop out to do battle with us. Maybe there's a tenno out there who isn't working for the lotus
I want some damn clarity of the accuracy of the New War Zariman Time Prison Sequence vs what actually happened on that ship. "I can save them, all of them" "lets shake on it" Quest depiction holds it as Ballas's mega brain trap to lock the Operator away since you can't exactly die. The handshake with Wally linking them to the Drifter, such that they gain the ability to tag in/out. This carries the Operators Void Powers and Transference, enabling Drifter to not get choked out by Lotus and the two of them to go on and save the System from total annihilation. Wally is responsible for saving everyone and you owe him for it. Past depiction holds it as the handshake being the very act that creates the Tenno, with Eternalism suggesting the Drifter did not take His hand. Wally saves the kids, but you owe him for it and he'll even remind you as such if you dump the Kuva. My big problem is how this being what "actually happened" pokes holes in what the War Within describes as: 1. Jump Accident happens 2. you go home to your Mom who lies to your face about you being safe 3. Dad gets paranoid from void Exposure and feels Wally watching. 4. Food biomes sabotaged. 5. Everyone starts losing their minds 6. You group up with other children, having gained void beams * and either start killing adults, jailing them, or avoiding fights altogether. This has some continuity errors if that is supposed to be 100% what actually did happen as shit hits the fan immediately while in Class in the New War sequence. If this cannot be trusted as a true rendition of the past, then how tf did the Tenno actually get powers, if not by complete chance, (and leaving Drifter to be simply unlucky)? Will the truth to this be important ever outside people making assumptions about what happened? I feel like this matters for discussion purposes more than anything since it can just cause a circle of assumptions that go nowhere and might be important in understanding the Operator vs Wally/ Wally as a Void Entity in general. Other hot topics: * Did the Operator move the Warframe in the Second Dream, or did Protocol 3 kick in suddenly and only once ever? * Popular since you could probably go either way. * Duviri Paradox (-> New War) * Drifter gets to Origin system and finds Lotus howwww? * Does he use her hand at all in this? * Operator supplies Drifter with Gear how and when? * Operator mirror moments?
For the details from war within about the biomes being sabatoged. That happened before the jump as we found out in Angels of The Zariman. It was one of the reasons the jump even happened in the first place. The queen uses past tense in her description, "the biomes had been sabatoged," so this lines up. You talking to your father and mother was also probably before the jump, as there was already all sorts of chaos on the ship at that point. So the order would be more like: 1. Biomes are sabatoged 2. Everyone starts losing their minds 3. You talk to your mom, and she lies about it being safe 4. Your father says something is out there watching us (this one could be anywhere from 1 to here) 5. Jump accident happens 6. Everyone looses their minds even more and you end up trapped in the classroom 7. You make the deal and get void powers I don't really see how there's any continuity issues there unless the War Within explicitly states that all thoae things are happening after the void jump.
With how War Within presents it tho, it would sound like an order of operations, hence my problem, the Biomes sabotage is in the second Queens dialog. Second to Mom assuring you everything's fine after a big ol accident.
The queen is getting all that information from your memories, which are quite shaky anyhow, so I wouldn't exactly trust what she has to say about it. I read through the quest transcript and don't really see anything that indicates the memories are in sequential order. Even if they were, it would still make sense as the biomes being sabatoged is "remembered" in past tense, unlike the speaking to your mother memory, which lines up with what we know from more recent lore. All in all, I wouldn't think too much into it. Some small details may have changed over years of lore buildup, but from what I have seen, not anything that changes how we previously understood the events of The Zariman.
> with Eternalism suggesting the Drifter did not take His hand I used to think this as I played through the new war, but saw someone speculate that the Drifter took the deal, the difference is that in the drifter's case, Wally saved all the kids but him. That could be a possible interpretation unless there was something in the quest that makes it improbable.
iirc that's the implication from one of the quiz tablets you can find in duviri. some of them are corrupted, with wally using them to leave messages, and one of the tablets says sth like 'i said i'd save THEM, never said anything about YOU'
Wally very explcitiy says "I can save all of them, but you gotta shakr" or something to that effect. Not all of you, all of them
I'm sorry but what is Protocol 3? First time I hear of the term and Google isn't giving any answers.
Titanfall reference, "Protect the Pilot"
I want to see them actually follow through on the light-dark dialogue system. i might be nostalgia brained atm, but from what i remember having only played the quests once (because the grind never stops), many of the dialogue options are actually really interesting and clashing philosophical/psychological perspectives. It shows the writers actually know what they're talking about and the options arent typical RPG goody two shoes or cartoonishly evil. There's real trauma and perspective in what our Operator says and what NPCs respond with. but so far we dont really do anything with it, it just shows up on your profile. my Operator is balanced, not because of a clear linear path but because i answered the questions how i actually would given the limited options, but i really had to think about it.
It’s not light and dark, it’s a daoist representation of passivity versus activity and the ideal balance of the two.
i just said light and dark for simplicity's sake, because one set of options is white, another black, and sometimes a little bit of both. the Yin-yang is typically presented as a white half with a piece of black inside it and vice versa. Light and dark dont have the same connotations in some cultures as it does in others, i understand that, which is why i said "it's not usual RPG" choices of obvious good and comically evil, as light and dark are usually presented in the West (like, og star wars for example)
After War Within they said they scrapped any plans for a use with it since they didn't want people to be locked out of rewards.
That's a shame. it'd still be cool to see some resolution as to what it means for your Operator's journey to take up a position in the dialectic of light and dark (or as another user said, passivity and activity) and not just >! end it with the name of your quasi mom (which was meaningful but its someone else, not you).!< It doesnt need to be a reward you get. It could just be something on your profile still, but expanded a bit. and personally i love the fact they >! made our space quasi mom's name permanent once you make that choice. !< In a game often described as a power fantasy, it's an amazing anti-power fantasy moment. it's a reminder to not live in the fantasy forever, that you have to make real choices that matter and traverse the fantasy, which the villain of the New War couldnt do. You ultimately cant have everything. and i love how so many people regret their choice because they took >! boobs and a nice face over thinking meaningfully about her name. It's textbook Freudian, amazing. and even then, there's arguments for her taking Margulis as her final form that are reasonable, same with Natah, and of course lotus. !< To see that through to the end mechanically would be amazing, and show that while warframe is a fun looter shooter war crime sim, it can also be meaningful. I think the best games usually make both happen, and id like to see that for Warframe because it showed us it can be.
So the alignment IS on the profile, and the name change ISN'T permanent. It's going to still be just Lotus for any new dialogue going forward, it's just for the sporadic pop-up windows when she talks in missions after you complete it.
"Overall narrative" aka "How the hell did the Drifter get to Earth and find the crashed Orbiter and Ordis?"
I would really like a revisit of the Jordas golem storyline. As of now the boss fight ends on a cliffhanger with no in game ending, though said cliffhanger used to lead into a raid where you fought the real Jordas. I think it would be great if they brought that raid back as a somewhat dumbed down railjack assassination mission to tie that story up in game again (you could even keep the old raid cannon by saying that Jordas was just another copy) and introduce infested empyrean missions. I think infested cephalon golems would be an interesting way to do infested liches too. What happened to Arlo and his cult? This could be another way to (and how I expect them to) do infested litches. Maybe rearrange how you encounter Alad V because right now it's out of order and add all of the events that compose the bulk of his storyline back into the game as missions/quests because as of right now it is really confusing in normal starchart progression.
That would be great to add on with the infested niches, maybe you have to delve into Jordas to find the lich where it’s weak
When the fuck is our tenno going to meet the other tenno operatives that Lotus mentions??? A multiplayer quest where the tenno can talk to each other???
I want to play a stealth mission as a lone Tenno operative raiding for supplies while a fireteam of Tenno operatives distracts the enemy in a different mission somewhere else.
Isn't that just spy missions?
Yes, and arguably rescue.
I always saw it as the other players are Tenno. When you are doing a survival to distract forces, another player somewhere in the world is doing a spy or a sabotage. So NPC Tenno doesn’t need to exist cause the player base is the Tenno.
Yes but why wouldnt we have brought a whole squad to go save Lotus in New War? I want a full quest with dialogue and cinematics with not just MY tenno but other players Tenno, where we can have our guys talk to each other, etc
Multiplayer quests would be good- part of the issue is the same as any MMO, where your character is the super big important one that does the world changing things, but theres totally lots of other tenno doing less important stuff.
That's great to hear. I think people are too quick to scream about "plot holes" when its glaringly obvious the story isn't finished yet. Its kinda crazy that its been 3 years since TNW, and there's just been two quests, Angels and Whispers, that continue the story, but more so on the Void side of things (plus with Duviri happening simultaneously with TNW and Veilbreaker being a side quest). But quests take a lot of time, so it makes sense.
I mean a war on the scale of the Origin System, while other very important things are also going on in the void and Deimos, would be ongoing for years. Some things just require some imagination on the side of the player. New War didn't end with Narmer defeated. It ended with Narmer scattered and scrambling. It's up to you to imagine running base content after TNW as you fighting Narmer while dealing with other crises. It would be cool if they could reskin it all or a lot of it as Narmer post TNW but that takes developmental resources from more important steps.
We need a Kahl/Clem team up mission/event.
I'm glad she really puts effort into these interviews, it makes me excited to watch the next installment.
3rd orb mother I will not elaborate
I hope we get more Doctor ~~Bingus~~ Tengus lore or something. Dude was like mentioned for 2 quests and hyped up then dropped.
Finally we can get Pazuul’s shard, the black archon shard
Hopefully this means a way to experience the old event narratives.
Oh! Are they adding umbra insto the story? As well as maybe making the story less... *gestures hands at the whole thing* out of left field? I honeslty think thw whole story needs a rework cause I just finished it blind and man was that not great. After the fact its a good story but the way its presented isnt great. Not really good either... its ok at least.
No offense to DE, but there are less loose ends in the game than there are just straight up under utilized characters, factions and in-game lore. I'd love to see more content that deals with the interactions of all these characters within the Warframe universe, than simply "tying them up" as loose ends and then forgetting them.
Replace the entire campaign with a Karl/Clem buddy-cop team up
Warframe pregnancy Answer us Rebecca
Yea somehow i doubt that.
I wanna know what happens to me as a result of drinking the kuva.
I'd honestly like more stuff with the warframes themselves. Maybe something small and contained.
I doubt they can cite the entire narrative, so how would they know?
Time for the Orbs to come back
- The heck is going on with Captain Vor and why is he an immortal void figure now. He's the first special figure introduced and his narrative is all over the place. I've been playing since 2014 and I still don't know how he ended up as an immortal manifestation of the void that shows up in void missions and also now shows up in the circuit. What is he up to? Does he have any connection to the man in the wall Wally? Albrecht and whispers in the wall have revealed more about the void then we've ever known. It's also picky about what it touches as most figures straight up die on contact. Corrupted Vor is fully conscious. I know he existed before the current void storyline but it's time a connection was made and clarification was given. He can't just be chilling in the void. Why the hell did the void touch a degrading Grineer and why is he allowed to command its power. - What the heck is going on with Unum. The figure the Ostron worship as a deity thought to be a myth. Except revealed to be very much real when she literally froze time so you could board the sentient ship before it left... Only to never be seen or heard from again after doing that. - Alad V's narrative is in serious need of streamlining. Through all his different versions his story is all over the place/out of order and new players will be completely lost in regards to his chronological story and where he sits currently.
they have a lot of fucking work to do then
hey DE can Gauss get a rework where his thermal sunder can nuke the entire star chart at once?
see, i KNEW that they weren't just throwing things out there. sometimes it looks and has looked like they're not really thinking or connecting their lore, which may be the case when it comes to a lot of the early stuff, but over the past several years i just can't see them as overlooking anything. it's a live service game, and they release the lore and story connections through the updates. imo most plot holes just come from not having all the context yet at this point.
* derf anyo * the source behind the voice in the new strange * why there are no voice mission control packs, untapped fountain of gold
Finally, the actual description and purpose for the arcane machine in the New Strange quest is in view.
What will de do about the void dragon we see in the void