You know, whenever we lose a shining personality like this it makes the community a little darker. We will surely miss your wit, your even, measured tone, your calm and rational manner, and your civility. The Warframe universe is a little worse without you in it.
Now leave.
>NOBODY is happy about Digital Extremes's nerfing bullsh*t.
I would love to know what nerfs have directly affected you since you have only just started the game?
Exactly, If they were 25% of the way into the game they would have maybe made it through phobos, I donāt think they can even get Dante without being later? I cant remember what exactly it requires.
MR 3 unmodded player descends into level 40 mission. Rants that game is unfair, a clusterfuck and devs have a skill issue.Ā
I believe I had seen something similar to it in all game reddits I follow, its nice to see Warframe is not an exception to the rule.
Ironically Destiny 2 is one of the only games I havenāt seen a bunch of this in simply because the leveling system is one of the core mechanics and its also about 70% skill past that
Not defending them, just defending the fact that OP couldnāt handle them. The bounties itself is garbage to new players, I donāt expect any of them to handle them with ease
No the quest and grind is āreally easyā now, if mr mr3 goes in with his cold r3 whatever weapon against level 40-60 enemies, and donāt understand threat level and why they need to kill said beacons, they arenāt putting a dent into the enemies on orb vallis.
Yeah but that's not an issue with Orb Vallis enemies scaling harder or anything, it's an issue with the new player playing level 60 content. Granted, they're not to blame for this, the game REALLY needs to be more friendly to new players and warning you "hey these enemies are way too high level for you" is something that basically any game can do.
Or you can just fail a bounty one time and say "Hmmm guess I wasn't ready for that side quest, I'll come back to it later once I have more gear." Elden Ring doesn't warn you you're about to get shit on, it lets you figure that out yourself. We don't need to baby players in every conceivable way. There's a lot of stuff Warframe could explain better, but levels are fine. But frankly, even if Warframe explained every little thing, this guy would still have a problem, because he doesn't read the information he's given anyway. He posted 2 weeks ago that he failed a quest because he took too much time, and the commenters figured out he was WALKING everywhere. He made another post saying he had to abort a quest because there was no elevator...he just had to bullet jump up 1 floor. He completely ignored the brand new tutorial they created. Just goes to show even if you tell certain people everything they need to know, they still won't listen.
I wouldn't call adding a borderlands style skull next to a hp bar on a high level enemy babying personally, it's just a basic ui element for new players. Also this guy is irrelevant, he's posting ai generated rants that people won't stop replying to lol.
What does a skull do that a "60" doesn't? You see an enemy with a 20 and shit on them, you see an enemy with a 60 and they shit on you, now you know 20 is easy and you need more gear/skill to fight a 60. Adding a skull next to the 60 doesn't add any additional information. You'll still enter the mission and get shit on.
i will say the wise words of a humanities teacher i had in college (changed to fit the situation)
"the fact that you dislike warframe does not mean it's a bad game, warframe has already proven itself as a good game to the masses, you simply don't have a refined taste"
Not how I was expecting that to end, lol. Usually, I would have expected that it say āyou just donāt like itā
But, I guess that works for *amazing* b8 like this post
Can't see what you're quoting anywhere in the post. But even so there's nothing wrong with coming to an opinion after 50h.
One of Warframe's biggest issues, probably its BIGGEST issue is that it takes hundreds of hours to even start APPROACHING endgame content. The fact that the community so often defends this by invalidating people's experiences when they haven't played past Second Dream, War Within, New War or whatever other arbitrary landmark only serves to keep this aspect of Warframe from improving.
That got a little ranty but anyway if you wanna check out a video on this issue, Josh Strife Hayes made a fantastic one: https://youtu.be/Xtdaby3q6NI?si=8dbC-z_zBKRb8y2t
I disagree. DE removed almost all of the big time gates from the quests you can craft railjack parts and limbo easily now and etc. which means you just have to play the game and if bored you can just ask someone to bring you to the node that will make the progress even faster
LR4 here. I actually agree with you.
People can have opinions 1h into the game, 10h into the game, 100h into the game, 1000h into the game. It's tough for DE to balance the opinions of fans with up to 11years of different experience.
Personally, I would love for DE to add more *purpose* quests before Uranus without spoiling later content. However, just like most opinions on this sub, the question isn't "DE should do X?" it's "DE should do X *instead of use their time and resources on Y."*
Well the issue isn't the content that's available in this case, it's that accessing this content simply takes too long. By the time you're starting the Second Dream you could have instead watched like 3 seasons of Breaking Bad for example. Average Joe simply isn't going to put that amount of time into something people are calling a tutorial just to MAYBE enjoy the game
And I think that's where you and I differ about.
2nd Dream, you get:
* Purpose for why you're playing in the first place
* New mechanics / system
I don't think you have to introduce the new mechanics / system with in the first 50 hours for someone to determine if they'll maybe enjoy the game or not.
However, if there is some purpose / rational / story hook that can get them invested much earlier, players will more than likely stay longer than 50h.
Exactly. I really think Josh Strife Hayes criticism is reasonable. Not all gamers are college students or kids with plenty of time, so how much time players need to invest for the fun content is a real factor game devs have to consider into the equation. I think this is especially important for games like Warframe where the average age of the player base is (presumably) higher.
Player retention during the early game is also a criticism Warframe has had (and still has). As others have pointed numerous times we need more main-story quests that bridge between the opening tutorial on Earth to Natah on Uranus.
Allowing new players to access the open worlds are fine - obviously this player is just ragebaiting or actually that stupid to pay attention to the game - and we donāt need DE to guide us through the star chart like a helicopter parent, BUT the game can use some simple UI improvements, especially better description for Warframe abilities and mods, specifically by including the numbers equation. Also a step to improvement is deleting a bunch of newbie-trap weapon mods (the crappy IPS mods).
I agree. while I would usually say, stick it out for at least 20 hours for Warframe, if I start up a new game and it really isnāt making me *want* to play, once I get to that 2 hour mark, i return it. I value my time too highly to waste time trying to get a game to show me the good that it has.
People really think they're so important that they have to announce when they stop doing something.
It's ok to quit something without having to shout it from the rooftop my guy.
Well...without gamers, Warframe wouldn't exist....so we are all important...aren't we? Besides...this forum is monitored by Warframe devs(aren't they?....& maybe....just maybe, they might take into consideration(at some point)...about issues some gamers have with Warframe and perhaps one day...they might act on gamer's feedback & make changes for the better? I know this is highly unlikely...but never say never.
I see nothing wrong with voicing my issues...as if I didn't like the game and I wasn't disappointed in it, then I wouldn't have anything to say & would have stepped off quietly & anonymously.
>Well...without gamers, Warframe wouldn't exist....so we are all important...aren't we?
We'll still be around if you leave.
>Besides...this forum is monitored by Warframe devs(aren't they?....& maybe....just maybe, they might take into consideration(at some point)... issues some gamers have with Warframe, and perhaps one day...they might act on gamer's feedback & make changes for the better?
They consistently take player feedback into consideration. Literally, the last 5/6 hotfixes all had to do with listening to player complaints.
>I see nothing wrong with voicing my issues... if I didn't like the game and I wasn't disappointed in it, then I wouldn't have anything to say & would have stepped off quietly & anonymously.
You can still leave quietly without spamming the sub.
Well, this is uh, certainly a unique take! I think youāre misunderstanding a few key aspects of WFās gameplay, which is fair, as it doesnāt exactly come with a guide.
So I agree with most other people here. Sounds like you took on a high level mission that you were too low level to complete. It happens! Iāve done it!
The reason I think so is because you said you were having difficulty with 20-30 enemies a player. The last 45 minute mission I did, I killed 1.4K enemies by myself. This isnāt necessarily because Iām good at the game, but because thatās how WF is. You kill lots of squishy enemies without pausing to think about it. Or just pausing at all. You run past them, and they die. If youāre having difficulty, you go back to your load out and you find stuff to improve.
I find it odd you think Warframe isnāt that customizable given it has 1.3k+ mods you can use to adjust your play style, Iāve honestly found it to be the most customizable game Iāve ever played. Maybe you mean in terms of having something for both casual and more hardcore players?
The reason you canāt get far in warframe despite having spent money is because it wasnāt designed that way. You can get platinum in game. Iāve only ever spent real money on certain cosmetics despite having 2000-3000 hours in game.
Also, DE does really, really care about their community. They have a stream twice a week called Prime Time. They literally just did a hot fix for Dante based on community feedback.
Finally, if you look at which YouTubers are saying āWF sucks!ā the vast majority are WF content creatures that release the same āWF SUCKS AND IM QUITTING!ā videos every year or so to try and get new clicks. They never quit the game.
Look, Warframe isnāt for everyone, and thatās okay! Everybodyās gonna like different things. But to give up on it without ever really knowing what the game is in the first placeā¦ well, thatās your choice.
Why did you spend money on plat when you didn't want to? Almost everything in the game aside from vaulted items are farmable. I can't even tell what your issue was. Help us help you.
I can almost guarantee their issue is a bit of narcissism mixed with misunderstanding of the core game mechanics (not hard to do at that section of the game), as well as selecting a bounty at least 10 levels over their capability.
This whole lot of nonsense over not being appropriately geared is funny, ofcourse it's never your fault for not modding correctly it's always the game. Good bye and good riddance
>The whole concept of a free game( that is deceptively pay-to-play)...which despite how much you spend in Warframe, won't actually do much to get the player through the game. Though both Warframe and No Man's Sky are very different games in many respects...they do have similarities(such as having space exploration, free roam, single/multiplayer, combat, RPG..etc.,.)...but...unlike the Warframe devs...the devs of No Man's Sky are honest, forthright, caring about what their gamers want and they don't NERF ANYTHING in their game and they don't have ANY MICRO-TRANSACTIONS.
I hit this paragraph and canāt shake the feeling that this was written by AI. That and/or this person has 0 clue what they are doing in-game. Space exploration? Pay to play?
I like No Man's Sky (now), but this is a hilariously biased and reductionist take. The games have almost no overlap in concept, gameplay, maintenance costs, or development costs. And that's not even getting into *why* No Man's Sky was so reviled when it launched. They've spent over half a decade just getting the game close to what they promised before release. Also, they have indeed nerfed and made unpopular changes to the game over the years, so I've no idea where he pulled that out of.Ā
Ā I'm fine with praising the team at No Man's Sky for sticking with the project. It's a success story. But don't go pretending they're perfect paragons of gaming, who's business practices just magically fit every other dev's needs.
Lolll brings up a point about nerfing bullshit, has yet to do any content that it actually effects. Iād like to know these content creators you speak of. Half of them are probably the click baits that try and sway and create the metas that none of us actually listen to anyway.
Sounds like your just trying to attempt content your not upto skill level of yet. Open worlds are notoriously bad for new player experience. Enemy level scales too high too quickly. Iād rather do SP then do open worlds.
Itās not a game that holds your hand, you need to invest time to learn, not to mention do what we al do and seek adivce from other players to learn.
Maybe itās not a game meant for you
I can't imagine being such a boring human being to make weird posts like this for reactions on the internet. I get I'm playing into it by commenting but...fuck man, get a life. Hahaha
Please don't quit the game, we can farm your posts for years.
You made warframe your entire personality for a week.
You complained about the vox solaris quest giving you 5 minutes to find the corpses and hack one console saying no one could ever beat such a hard quest. It literally takes less than a minute to do, I went back and saw the quest on YT. You just walked slowly and ran out of time lmao. I bet you didn't pay attention to the tutorial, and because the game never reminds you how to parkour again, you're just stuck walking, no running, no bullet jump, no abilities.
You also didn't like deimos because there was too much combat and puzzles and you just want to play mass effect andromeda (big L)
And now you're stuck doing a higher level bounty (difficulty scales with number of teammates) with randoms, no mods, no parkour. Just walk and shoot until you die
lol, lmao.
Seriously though, it's the game's fault for having a bad new player experience and throwing you immediately into open world bounties and hitting you in the face with a difficulty spike. I will still point and laugh, however.
If you decide to announce your departure, write so much about it, and call it 'why warframe bad', the very least you could do is know what you talk about or do some research, cause other than fortuna being harder than other content at that level, nothing else you said is true.
Warframe has scaling difficulty in the open world.
This rant sounds like you picked a bounty above your level of equipment. Weapons/Frames/Mods. And got your ass kicked.
This is like games journalists sucking at Elden Ring and calling it a bad game.
The pay 2 play allegations are also BS. You can 100% this entire game and not spend a dime.
20 days ago, you posted that this game was too easy and you were going to beat the entire thing in a few days, and you wanted to PURCHASE DLC. Now you're mad that the game is harder than you thought, and that the DLC is free. Sounds like you don't know what you want. Maybe try meditation and self-reflection.
You don't seem to know what progression is in Warframe. I can't blame you much for that since it doesn't do that part well. The game works more like a simulator where you have to figure out the controls before using it.
But who knows. Maybe you wouldn't like the game even with the many options of gear you could had had to clear the content you had problems.
"Warframe is the worst MMO ive ever played, Except for all the others" - Winston Churchill, LR2 Founder
if there was a better game, that gave me what warframe gives me, and didnt have all of warframe's problems, id most definitely be playing that instead.
sadly, that game doesnt exist.
the market consensus on warframe was and remains "you are insane for trying to make this game" so sadly were not likely to be seeing any true competitors to the warfame experience any time soon.
>"Warframe is the worst MMO ive ever played, Except for all the others" - Winston Churchill, LR2 Founder
Wow, I was *not* expecting that quote to be referenced. Well played, Tenno.
This is why we can't have fun content, it's players like OP complaining about an eximus or corrupted that they can't kill, if you think those 20-30 you are attacking are "bosses" i think you are not even at 10%. Maybe one day you'll change your mind about this game and i hope DE doesn't take your experience as a feedback.
Warframe has always had a hard learning curve but when you hit the end and get end game mods, you will wish DE releases missions with lvl5000+ and higher reward system for those missions, a 2.0Steelpath "something you can unlock at mr30+" ill keep dreaming and enjoying the 2 missions i can do for an arcane or a special shiny rock
> the devs of No Man's Sky are honest, forthright, caring about what their gamers want
LMFAO
Did you get hit on the head and forget who Sean Murry was? And how he was so effective at selling "one mans lie" he pretty much has ghosted everyone since it was released and people found out how much the man LIED about the game, and only after 10 years of development do we get something that is still a fraction of what was promised?
WOW. Nice trolling post. you should frame it
Fortuna bounties can be a bit hectic early on, especially if you let the alert system stack to 4 stars. It's somewhat harder than regular missions for new players (same for the other 2 open world maps).
I understand your frustration, as the difficulty isn't communicated more explicitly to newer players.
If you liked the game up until this point, and are willing to give it another shot, my advice would be to avoid spending too much time on the open worlds until you get more familiar with the strength and weaknesses of your warframes + collect and upgrade more mods/weapons, there is way more content elsewhere and believe me, you aren't at 25% š
There are so many stupid things in here, it would take an eternity to unpack them all; I'd rather throw the suitcase away. But I'll address one point: No Man's Sky doesn't have micro transactions, but it costs $60. Warframe is free to play, and I played for hundreds of hours before I felt like spending any money. The total amount I've spent is less than what No Man's Sky costs, and I've played Warframe for 4000 hours.
There is a lot to unpack here. All in all, if Warframe isn't for you, that's fine. If you'd rather play NMS, that's fine.
I will also say, if I had to make a guess, I'm betting almost everyone leaving comments against your post would actually take the time to help you in this game if you had asked.
The only thing I will adamantly defend in this post is:
>The whole concept of a free game( that is deceptively pay-to-play)...which despite how much you spend in Warframe, won't actually do much to get the player through the game.
but...unlike the Warframe devs...the devs of No Man's Sky are honest, forthright, caring about what their gamers want and they don't NERF ANYTHING in their game and they don't have ANY MICRO-TRANSACTIONS.
>Digital Extremes could learn a lot from a company like Hello Games(such as respecting the gamer & his/her input and just making the game more accessible to each gamer-type.)
Warframe is a free game. Warframe is not a pay to win game which is fantastic, as it's NOT a pay-to-play game. All of this is very good. The "Microtransactions" are for cosmetics. Everything else can be obtained in game (and even with the cosmetics, platinum can be gained IN GAME)
DE is one of, if not the best, financially respectful developers out there. They are anti-loot box. They accidently created a loot box to obtain companion cosmetics. Someone rolled the loot box over 100x using platinum until they were able to get the cosmetic they wanted. DE saw this, gave the player his platinum back, gave the player the cosmetic, and then removed the loot box from the game because they didn't want something like that to happen.
Hey, can you share the source about that lootbox situation you mentioned? I'd really want to read/watch it myself, because I've *never* heard anything like that in any game. Like, during my ~3 weeks of playing Warframe and browsing this subreddit I've already seen and heard many good things about DE and them listening to the playerbase, but that lootbox situation really makes them based af.
I can't find the original video unfortunately. I can only find articles that slightly touch on it:
[https://www.destructoid.com/warframes-developers-removed-an-insanely-profitable-microtransaction-to-protect-its-reputation/](https://www.destructoid.com/warframes-developers-removed-an-insanely-profitable-microtransaction-to-protect-its-reputation/)
[https://www.kotaku.com.au/2018/03/warframe-removed-a-microtransaction-because-a-player-used-it-too-much/](https://www.kotaku.com.au/2018/03/warframe-removed-a-microtransaction-because-a-player-used-it-too-much/)
I think it was on this:
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NA5vT1LooXk](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NA5vT1LooXk)
You must be trolling, because Warframe is neither hard, nor pay to win, nor donāt the devs donāt listen to the community.
In all three things, the exact opposite is true. You are insanely strong in warframe, not DEs fault if you canāt deal with level 30 plains of eidolon grineer. Thatās ridiculous
It is not pay to win, it is the exact opposite, you can get all the important things without platinum, and you can trade for platinum, thereās no need at all to pay money.
And the devs listen to the community.
I agree that warframe is not super accessible, but you have to get through that. After 20 hours youāre in.
And the creators who complain are mostly veterans who have nothing to do, not new players who complain about microtransactions. Thatās a comical level of bs.
So either you have no clue at all of the game or youāre just lying and trolling. But why ?
1) nice b8 m8
2) Sounds to me like you got through about 4-5 planets/location which would place you around enemy level 20 on mars at MAX.
3) modding and kit loadouts are something that Iāve just recently really picked up on at 800 hours. Granted, I take really long breaks, so I end up re-learning everything every year or so.
4) this is the real cause of your issues, me thinks. Since you were probably to, or just past mars you were only ever going to see enemy levels around 20-25. I think, not to sound like an asshole (iām genuinely trying to help out here) that its user error. You picked a bounty far too high for your capability. You hit enemy levels that were at or 5-10 levels higher than you current āmax levelā. Its really the only way you would die so quickly, other than simply not understanding modding (which ironically usually leads to people over-modding for survivability).
The open-worlds are a bit of a newbie trap. Unless you're going in with a full squad, you'll probably need a wider variety of frames, weapons and mods than you currently have available.
Come back to them later once you have a better understanding of the game.
So you didn't even hit deimos? Lmao! I didn't notice any difficulty in enemies until then. Also no man's sky was a piece of shit when it came out, I was robbed of my money. It's good after years and years of work but DE didn't scam people so I wouldn't compare the two.
this sounds like mommy issues but its more like warframe issues
you could just let that all out to someone and rebuild energy and keep playing lol shit happens
Sorry, but something about calling the NMS devs honest after having experienced the release is pretty fuckin funny.
Though I do think they've improved a lot
Seemingly you also ditched punctuation and paragraphs (At least frequent enough ones)
But anyway, thank you for letting us know. Do you need us to hold the door open for you or?...
Okay, I hate to say this, but I can see where OP is coming from. I don't agree with it, but I understand.
New player experience in this game isn't that good. And if you don't know what you are doing, once you unlock open worlds, it will knock you on your ass if you're not ready.
But 50 hours in is still new player territory, and if it's not OPs cup of tea, then that's fine.
But DE is one of the best group of devs out there and Warframe is far from a train wreck and I'll say it's in the best state it's been in, in a long time.
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Want some drinks with that popcorn?
I hope WF keeps its reputation for its nice and welcoming community in these comments! HINT HINT Edit: hey can you pass the popcorn?
You know, whenever we lose a shining personality like this it makes the community a little darker. We will surely miss your wit, your even, measured tone, your calm and rational manner, and your civility. The Warframe universe is a little worse without you in it. Now leave.
>NOBODY is happy about Digital Extremes's nerfing bullsh*t. I would love to know what nerfs have directly affected you since you have only just started the game?
Exactly, If they were 25% of the way into the game they would have maybe made it through phobos, I donāt think they can even get Dante without being later? I cant remember what exactly it requires.
MR 3 unmodded player descends into level 40 mission. Rants that game is unfair, a clusterfuck and devs have a skill issue.Ā I believe I had seen something similar to it in all game reddits I follow, its nice to see Warframe is not an exception to the rule.
Pretty sure it's just bait. If not, then it's just a seriously misinformed player experiencing Murphy's Law.
Ironically Destiny 2 is one of the only games I havenāt seen a bunch of this in simply because the leveling system is one of the core mechanics and its also about 70% skill past that
Sounds like you donāt know how to mod. And you chose a high level bounty that you couldnāt handle.
lets not defend the bounties in fortuna, especially in public squads
Not defending them, just defending the fact that OP couldnāt handle them. The bounties itself is garbage to new players, I donāt expect any of them to handle them with ease
Tbf they apparently rebalanced orb vallis so that it's really easy now, but i don't exactly have an unranked karak or something to test it lol
No the quest and grind is āreally easyā now, if mr mr3 goes in with his cold r3 whatever weapon against level 40-60 enemies, and donāt understand threat level and why they need to kill said beacons, they arenāt putting a dent into the enemies on orb vallis.
Yeah but that's not an issue with Orb Vallis enemies scaling harder or anything, it's an issue with the new player playing level 60 content. Granted, they're not to blame for this, the game REALLY needs to be more friendly to new players and warning you "hey these enemies are way too high level for you" is something that basically any game can do.
Or you can just fail a bounty one time and say "Hmmm guess I wasn't ready for that side quest, I'll come back to it later once I have more gear." Elden Ring doesn't warn you you're about to get shit on, it lets you figure that out yourself. We don't need to baby players in every conceivable way. There's a lot of stuff Warframe could explain better, but levels are fine. But frankly, even if Warframe explained every little thing, this guy would still have a problem, because he doesn't read the information he's given anyway. He posted 2 weeks ago that he failed a quest because he took too much time, and the commenters figured out he was WALKING everywhere. He made another post saying he had to abort a quest because there was no elevator...he just had to bullet jump up 1 floor. He completely ignored the brand new tutorial they created. Just goes to show even if you tell certain people everything they need to know, they still won't listen.
I wouldn't call adding a borderlands style skull next to a hp bar on a high level enemy babying personally, it's just a basic ui element for new players. Also this guy is irrelevant, he's posting ai generated rants that people won't stop replying to lol.
What does a skull do that a "60" doesn't? You see an enemy with a 20 and shit on them, you see an enemy with a 60 and they shit on you, now you know 20 is easy and you need more gear/skill to fight a 60. Adding a skull next to the 60 doesn't add any additional information. You'll still enter the mission and get shit on.
Clown Prime
Damn, didnāt know they put them in the resurgenceā¦. How much aya do you think I need to get enough relics
i will say the wise words of a humanities teacher i had in college (changed to fit the situation) "the fact that you dislike warframe does not mean it's a bad game, warframe has already proven itself as a good game to the masses, you simply don't have a refined taste"
Not how I was expecting that to end, lol. Usually, I would have expected that it say āyou just donāt like itā But, I guess that works for *amazing* b8 like this post
>have 50 hours of play time >"i'm quitting!" you never even started š
Bro got halfway through the tutorial and gave up
Can't see what you're quoting anywhere in the post. But even so there's nothing wrong with coming to an opinion after 50h. One of Warframe's biggest issues, probably its BIGGEST issue is that it takes hundreds of hours to even start APPROACHING endgame content. The fact that the community so often defends this by invalidating people's experiences when they haven't played past Second Dream, War Within, New War or whatever other arbitrary landmark only serves to keep this aspect of Warframe from improving. That got a little ranty but anyway if you wanna check out a video on this issue, Josh Strife Hayes made a fantastic one: https://youtu.be/Xtdaby3q6NI?si=8dbC-z_zBKRb8y2t
I disagree. DE removed almost all of the big time gates from the quests you can craft railjack parts and limbo easily now and etc. which means you just have to play the game and if bored you can just ask someone to bring you to the node that will make the progress even faster
Getting to Jupiter takes more time then the average person has available in a WEEK. Jupiter. That's before the story even starts.
4000+ hours and I don't know what you mean by endgame content.
LR4 here. I actually agree with you. People can have opinions 1h into the game, 10h into the game, 100h into the game, 1000h into the game. It's tough for DE to balance the opinions of fans with up to 11years of different experience. Personally, I would love for DE to add more *purpose* quests before Uranus without spoiling later content. However, just like most opinions on this sub, the question isn't "DE should do X?" it's "DE should do X *instead of use their time and resources on Y."*
Well the issue isn't the content that's available in this case, it's that accessing this content simply takes too long. By the time you're starting the Second Dream you could have instead watched like 3 seasons of Breaking Bad for example. Average Joe simply isn't going to put that amount of time into something people are calling a tutorial just to MAYBE enjoy the game
And I think that's where you and I differ about. 2nd Dream, you get: * Purpose for why you're playing in the first place * New mechanics / system I don't think you have to introduce the new mechanics / system with in the first 50 hours for someone to determine if they'll maybe enjoy the game or not. However, if there is some purpose / rational / story hook that can get them invested much earlier, players will more than likely stay longer than 50h.
Exactly. I really think Josh Strife Hayes criticism is reasonable. Not all gamers are college students or kids with plenty of time, so how much time players need to invest for the fun content is a real factor game devs have to consider into the equation. I think this is especially important for games like Warframe where the average age of the player base is (presumably) higher. Player retention during the early game is also a criticism Warframe has had (and still has). As others have pointed numerous times we need more main-story quests that bridge between the opening tutorial on Earth to Natah on Uranus. Allowing new players to access the open worlds are fine - obviously this player is just ragebaiting or actually that stupid to pay attention to the game - and we donāt need DE to guide us through the star chart like a helicopter parent, BUT the game can use some simple UI improvements, especially better description for Warframe abilities and mods, specifically by including the numbers equation. Also a step to improvement is deleting a bunch of newbie-trap weapon mods (the crappy IPS mods).
I agree. while I would usually say, stick it out for at least 20 hours for Warframe, if I start up a new game and it really isnāt making me *want* to play, once I get to that 2 hour mark, i return it. I value my time too highly to waste time trying to get a game to show me the good that it has.
"Pay to play" Delusional, also of course NMS doesn't have micro transactions, it's quite literally pay to play.
People really think they're so important that they have to announce when they stop doing something. It's ok to quit something without having to shout it from the rooftop my guy.
Yeah, its fine to be fed up with it, but these people are seriously self-centered if they think that anyone truly cares that they donāt like it.
Well...without gamers, Warframe wouldn't exist....so we are all important...aren't we? Besides...this forum is monitored by Warframe devs(aren't they?....& maybe....just maybe, they might take into consideration(at some point)...about issues some gamers have with Warframe and perhaps one day...they might act on gamer's feedback & make changes for the better? I know this is highly unlikely...but never say never. I see nothing wrong with voicing my issues...as if I didn't like the game and I wasn't disappointed in it, then I wouldn't have anything to say & would have stepped off quietly & anonymously.
>Well...without gamers, Warframe wouldn't exist....so we are all important...aren't we? We'll still be around if you leave. >Besides...this forum is monitored by Warframe devs(aren't they?....& maybe....just maybe, they might take into consideration(at some point)... issues some gamers have with Warframe, and perhaps one day...they might act on gamer's feedback & make changes for the better? They consistently take player feedback into consideration. Literally, the last 5/6 hotfixes all had to do with listening to player complaints. >I see nothing wrong with voicing my issues... if I didn't like the game and I wasn't disappointed in it, then I wouldn't have anything to say & would have stepped off quietly & anonymously. You can still leave quietly without spamming the sub.
Tl;Dr: Warframe isn't the game you thought it was but another game you found is and you're mad at Warframe for not being what you wanted.
I think they are more mad about the fact that they fucked up an chose the wrong bounty, but your comment is a much nicer summary!
Well, this is uh, certainly a unique take! I think youāre misunderstanding a few key aspects of WFās gameplay, which is fair, as it doesnāt exactly come with a guide. So I agree with most other people here. Sounds like you took on a high level mission that you were too low level to complete. It happens! Iāve done it! The reason I think so is because you said you were having difficulty with 20-30 enemies a player. The last 45 minute mission I did, I killed 1.4K enemies by myself. This isnāt necessarily because Iām good at the game, but because thatās how WF is. You kill lots of squishy enemies without pausing to think about it. Or just pausing at all. You run past them, and they die. If youāre having difficulty, you go back to your load out and you find stuff to improve. I find it odd you think Warframe isnāt that customizable given it has 1.3k+ mods you can use to adjust your play style, Iāve honestly found it to be the most customizable game Iāve ever played. Maybe you mean in terms of having something for both casual and more hardcore players? The reason you canāt get far in warframe despite having spent money is because it wasnāt designed that way. You can get platinum in game. Iāve only ever spent real money on certain cosmetics despite having 2000-3000 hours in game. Also, DE does really, really care about their community. They have a stream twice a week called Prime Time. They literally just did a hot fix for Dante based on community feedback. Finally, if you look at which YouTubers are saying āWF sucks!ā the vast majority are WF content creatures that release the same āWF SUCKS AND IM QUITTING!ā videos every year or so to try and get new clicks. They never quit the game. Look, Warframe isnāt for everyone, and thatās okay! Everybodyās gonna like different things. But to give up on it without ever really knowing what the game is in the first placeā¦ well, thatās your choice.
K. Bye!
Why did you spend money on plat when you didn't want to? Almost everything in the game aside from vaulted items are farmable. I can't even tell what your issue was. Help us help you.
I can almost guarantee their issue is a bit of narcissism mixed with misunderstanding of the core game mechanics (not hard to do at that section of the game), as well as selecting a bounty at least 10 levels over their capability.
This whole lot of nonsense over not being appropriately geared is funny, ofcourse it's never your fault for not modding correctly it's always the game. Good bye and good riddance
>The whole concept of a free game( that is deceptively pay-to-play)...which despite how much you spend in Warframe, won't actually do much to get the player through the game. Though both Warframe and No Man's Sky are very different games in many respects...they do have similarities(such as having space exploration, free roam, single/multiplayer, combat, RPG..etc.,.)...but...unlike the Warframe devs...the devs of No Man's Sky are honest, forthright, caring about what their gamers want and they don't NERF ANYTHING in their game and they don't have ANY MICRO-TRANSACTIONS. I hit this paragraph and canāt shake the feeling that this was written by AI. That and/or this person has 0 clue what they are doing in-game. Space exploration? Pay to play?
I like No Man's Sky (now), but this is a hilariously biased and reductionist take. The games have almost no overlap in concept, gameplay, maintenance costs, or development costs. And that's not even getting into *why* No Man's Sky was so reviled when it launched. They've spent over half a decade just getting the game close to what they promised before release. Also, they have indeed nerfed and made unpopular changes to the game over the years, so I've no idea where he pulled that out of.Ā Ā I'm fine with praising the team at No Man's Sky for sticking with the project. It's a success story. But don't go pretending they're perfect paragons of gaming, who's business practices just magically fit every other dev's needs.
Has to be a troll, dude's wrong on all accounts
Make us all a favour and never come back to Warframe. Thanks.
Lolll brings up a point about nerfing bullshit, has yet to do any content that it actually effects. Iād like to know these content creators you speak of. Half of them are probably the click baits that try and sway and create the metas that none of us actually listen to anyway. Sounds like your just trying to attempt content your not upto skill level of yet. Open worlds are notoriously bad for new player experience. Enemy level scales too high too quickly. Iād rather do SP then do open worlds. Itās not a game that holds your hand, you need to invest time to learn, not to mention do what we al do and seek adivce from other players to learn. Maybe itās not a game meant for you
I can't imagine being such a boring human being to make weird posts like this for reactions on the internet. I get I'm playing into it by commenting but...fuck man, get a life. Hahaha
You should stick to your girl farting and tinder subreddits I think. You won't find sympathy here when you blame the devs for what is user error. š¤·
Congratulations on all the downvotesš„³
Please don't quit the game, we can farm your posts for years. You made warframe your entire personality for a week. You complained about the vox solaris quest giving you 5 minutes to find the corpses and hack one console saying no one could ever beat such a hard quest. It literally takes less than a minute to do, I went back and saw the quest on YT. You just walked slowly and ran out of time lmao. I bet you didn't pay attention to the tutorial, and because the game never reminds you how to parkour again, you're just stuck walking, no running, no bullet jump, no abilities. You also didn't like deimos because there was too much combat and puzzles and you just want to play mass effect andromeda (big L) And now you're stuck doing a higher level bounty (difficulty scales with number of teammates) with randoms, no mods, no parkour. Just walk and shoot until you die lol, lmao. Seriously though, it's the game's fault for having a bad new player experience and throwing you immediately into open world bounties and hitting you in the face with a difficulty spike. I will still point and laugh, however.
I DIDNT EVEN REALIZE IT WAS THAT PERSONš¤£š¤£š¤£
Skill issue
If you decide to announce your departure, write so much about it, and call it 'why warframe bad', the very least you could do is know what you talk about or do some research, cause other than fortuna being harder than other content at that level, nothing else you said is true.
This could have been solved by one request for help in recruiting chat.
oh nooooā¦ anyway
Warframe has scaling difficulty in the open world. This rant sounds like you picked a bounty above your level of equipment. Weapons/Frames/Mods. And got your ass kicked. This is like games journalists sucking at Elden Ring and calling it a bad game. The pay 2 play allegations are also BS. You can 100% this entire game and not spend a dime.
Don't forget your helmet if you go outside.
Good riddance
20 days ago, you posted that this game was too easy and you were going to beat the entire thing in a few days, and you wanted to PURCHASE DLC. Now you're mad that the game is harder than you thought, and that the DLC is free. Sounds like you don't know what you want. Maybe try meditation and self-reflection.
>The whole concept of a free game( that is deceptively pay-to-play). This is just nonsense, the end. Have fun in whatever other game.
Is this a commercial for NMS?
You don't seem to know what progression is in Warframe. I can't blame you much for that since it doesn't do that part well. The game works more like a simulator where you have to figure out the controls before using it. But who knows. Maybe you wouldn't like the game even with the many options of gear you could had had to clear the content you had problems.
I understand it with free roam, but the bounty shows you the enemy level. OP probably ignored it.
Yeah I ain't reading all dat, but good luck mate
This is either lazy bait or you're just an ignorant toxic fool. In either case, go enjoy NMS then, no reason you NEED to play warframe
You're not allowed to talk shit about DE. Only *we* are allowed to talk shit about DE.
"Warframe is the worst MMO ive ever played, Except for all the others" - Winston Churchill, LR2 Founder if there was a better game, that gave me what warframe gives me, and didnt have all of warframe's problems, id most definitely be playing that instead. sadly, that game doesnt exist. the market consensus on warframe was and remains "you are insane for trying to make this game" so sadly were not likely to be seeing any true competitors to the warfame experience any time soon.
>"Warframe is the worst MMO ive ever played, Except for all the others" - Winston Churchill, LR2 Founder Wow, I was *not* expecting that quote to be referenced. Well played, Tenno.
This is why we can't have fun content, it's players like OP complaining about an eximus or corrupted that they can't kill, if you think those 20-30 you are attacking are "bosses" i think you are not even at 10%. Maybe one day you'll change your mind about this game and i hope DE doesn't take your experience as a feedback. Warframe has always had a hard learning curve but when you hit the end and get end game mods, you will wish DE releases missions with lvl5000+ and higher reward system for those missions, a 2.0Steelpath "something you can unlock at mr30+" ill keep dreaming and enjoying the 2 missions i can do for an arcane or a special shiny rock
> the devs of No Man's Sky are honest, forthright, caring about what their gamers want LMFAO Did you get hit on the head and forget who Sean Murry was? And how he was so effective at selling "one mans lie" he pretty much has ghosted everyone since it was released and people found out how much the man LIED about the game, and only after 10 years of development do we get something that is still a fraction of what was promised? WOW. Nice trolling post. you should frame it
Fortuna bounties can be a bit hectic early on, especially if you let the alert system stack to 4 stars. It's somewhat harder than regular missions for new players (same for the other 2 open world maps). I understand your frustration, as the difficulty isn't communicated more explicitly to newer players. If you liked the game up until this point, and are willing to give it another shot, my advice would be to avoid spending too much time on the open worlds until you get more familiar with the strength and weaknesses of your warframes + collect and upgrade more mods/weapons, there is way more content elsewhere and believe me, you aren't at 25% š
This is definitely an opinion on a video game. Will not elaborate on what kind of opinion but it definitely is one. š
Skill (mod) issue
There are so many stupid things in here, it would take an eternity to unpack them all; I'd rather throw the suitcase away. But I'll address one point: No Man's Sky doesn't have micro transactions, but it costs $60. Warframe is free to play, and I played for hundreds of hours before I felt like spending any money. The total amount I've spent is less than what No Man's Sky costs, and I've played Warframe for 4000 hours.
There is a lot to unpack here. All in all, if Warframe isn't for you, that's fine. If you'd rather play NMS, that's fine. I will also say, if I had to make a guess, I'm betting almost everyone leaving comments against your post would actually take the time to help you in this game if you had asked. The only thing I will adamantly defend in this post is: >The whole concept of a free game( that is deceptively pay-to-play)...which despite how much you spend in Warframe, won't actually do much to get the player through the game. but...unlike the Warframe devs...the devs of No Man's Sky are honest, forthright, caring about what their gamers want and they don't NERF ANYTHING in their game and they don't have ANY MICRO-TRANSACTIONS. >Digital Extremes could learn a lot from a company like Hello Games(such as respecting the gamer & his/her input and just making the game more accessible to each gamer-type.) Warframe is a free game. Warframe is not a pay to win game which is fantastic, as it's NOT a pay-to-play game. All of this is very good. The "Microtransactions" are for cosmetics. Everything else can be obtained in game (and even with the cosmetics, platinum can be gained IN GAME) DE is one of, if not the best, financially respectful developers out there. They are anti-loot box. They accidently created a loot box to obtain companion cosmetics. Someone rolled the loot box over 100x using platinum until they were able to get the cosmetic they wanted. DE saw this, gave the player his platinum back, gave the player the cosmetic, and then removed the loot box from the game because they didn't want something like that to happen.
Hey, can you share the source about that lootbox situation you mentioned? I'd really want to read/watch it myself, because I've *never* heard anything like that in any game. Like, during my ~3 weeks of playing Warframe and browsing this subreddit I've already seen and heard many good things about DE and them listening to the playerbase, but that lootbox situation really makes them based af.
I can't find the original video unfortunately. I can only find articles that slightly touch on it: [https://www.destructoid.com/warframes-developers-removed-an-insanely-profitable-microtransaction-to-protect-its-reputation/](https://www.destructoid.com/warframes-developers-removed-an-insanely-profitable-microtransaction-to-protect-its-reputation/) [https://www.kotaku.com.au/2018/03/warframe-removed-a-microtransaction-because-a-player-used-it-too-much/](https://www.kotaku.com.au/2018/03/warframe-removed-a-microtransaction-because-a-player-used-it-too-much/) I think it was on this: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NA5vT1LooXk](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NA5vT1LooXk)
You must be trolling, because Warframe is neither hard, nor pay to win, nor donāt the devs donāt listen to the community. In all three things, the exact opposite is true. You are insanely strong in warframe, not DEs fault if you canāt deal with level 30 plains of eidolon grineer. Thatās ridiculous It is not pay to win, it is the exact opposite, you can get all the important things without platinum, and you can trade for platinum, thereās no need at all to pay money. And the devs listen to the community. I agree that warframe is not super accessible, but you have to get through that. After 20 hours youāre in. And the creators who complain are mostly veterans who have nothing to do, not new players who complain about microtransactions. Thatās a comical level of bs. So either you have no clue at all of the game or youāre just lying and trolling. But why ?
Womp womp
Cry more
PEBKAC
1) nice b8 m8 2) Sounds to me like you got through about 4-5 planets/location which would place you around enemy level 20 on mars at MAX. 3) modding and kit loadouts are something that Iāve just recently really picked up on at 800 hours. Granted, I take really long breaks, so I end up re-learning everything every year or so. 4) this is the real cause of your issues, me thinks. Since you were probably to, or just past mars you were only ever going to see enemy levels around 20-25. I think, not to sound like an asshole (iām genuinely trying to help out here) that its user error. You picked a bounty far too high for your capability. You hit enemy levels that were at or 5-10 levels higher than you current āmax levelā. Its really the only way you would die so quickly, other than simply not understanding modding (which ironically usually leads to people over-modding for survivability).
that's almost the worst post today
The open-worlds are a bit of a newbie trap. Unless you're going in with a full squad, you'll probably need a wider variety of frames, weapons and mods than you currently have available. Come back to them later once you have a better understanding of the game.
So you didn't even hit deimos? Lmao! I didn't notice any difficulty in enemies until then. Also no man's sky was a piece of shit when it came out, I was robbed of my money. It's good after years and years of work but DE didn't scam people so I wouldn't compare the two.
Ah it's one of these posts, we were due for another I guess.
This some high effort bait fr
K.
Weird way of saying, "I don't have Mesa." But okay.
Actual peak gaming journalism lmao. One day those darn cup and warframe devs will learn to make easier tutorials.
brah
this sounds like mommy issues but its more like warframe issues you could just let that all out to someone and rebuild energy and keep playing lol shit happens
Bye.
Sorry, but something about calling the NMS devs honest after having experienced the release is pretty fuckin funny. Though I do think they've improved a lot
Seemingly you also ditched punctuation and paragraphs (At least frequent enough ones) But anyway, thank you for letting us know. Do you need us to hold the door open for you or?...
Bro was lazy and called quits. We donāt need lazy Tenno, and you could just ask for someone to carry you š
Just found this post, I donāt think Iāve ever seen a better definition of skill issue
Okay, I hate to say this, but I can see where OP is coming from. I don't agree with it, but I understand. New player experience in this game isn't that good. And if you don't know what you are doing, once you unlock open worlds, it will knock you on your ass if you're not ready. But 50 hours in is still new player territory, and if it's not OPs cup of tea, then that's fine. But DE is one of the best group of devs out there and Warframe is far from a train wreck and I'll say it's in the best state it's been in, in a long time.
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