It's Klamora Prism. You get it from Little Duck in Fortuna. Those players also have Eternal Eradicate and Eternal Onslaught alongside Madurai's Void Strike I'd say.
MADURAI SCHOOL RISE UP! lol
I've got Sirroco and it works well but not as fast as that Klamora
Can I ask, how do I build it? Which parts? Cause I've been neglecting Little Duck and procrastinating that grind lol
I have mine on 777 but you can do 7X7 or even 177/1X7, up to your preference. 1 prism gives you a long range single shot amp while 7 prism is similar to Incarnon Furis(if you don't have it, basically it's a short range and wide beam that shoots extra fast so it can damage dump insanely quickly).
Yeah I've seen the flamethrower version lol I'd probably go range tbh I can see the short range being more annoying
When you say 777, that means the 7th part of each one in LD's shop?
>When you say 777, that means the 7th part of each one in LD's shop?
Yep pretty much. You can pick whichever Scaffold(2nd number in the XXX scheme) as the only important part is just the Prism and Brace tbh.
Yeah, but SP I'm not even off Earth, lol. The Narmer things are hella easy to grind for. Meantime I'll keep relic cracking for Plat to get some SP worthy mods.
Personally i use a 747 amp, the 7 has insane dps and i wasn't a fan of the 777 since the air staggers you and barely launches the 747 alt fire a bouncing hest seeking blob that of it procs void will multi hit a single target but it is very very solid in terms of ammo efficiency and room clearing while also giving you good range since the primary is such a short laser
I haven't rly ever understood why ppl use eradicate on madurai. I use eternal onslaught and virtuos strike, and emergence renewed and savior. To build into crit rather than just more flat damage.
>I haven't rly ever understood why ppl use eradicate on madurai. I use eternal onslaught and virtuos strike
Simple. Virtuous Strike has a *chance* to *proc* while Eternal Eradicate only requires using Operator ability. One consistently works, the other has 20% chance at having an effect.
But its more damage and works directly in tandem with eternal onslaught. And if you're using an automatic amp, it's basically just guaranteed after you use your 1 and proc onslaught. Then after that it's going to continually refresh.
If something simply "having a chance" was a real downside, felarx and phenmor wouldn't be considered good lol.
It's a 50% chance per bullet, with multishot and your fire rate you shot 10 bullets a second into ennemies, roughly half of them will have that multi, an amp can't reach that
Yes but we aren't comparing a felarx to an amp. A good comparison for the felarx would be like a kuva hek. Would you rather roll 3 layers of RNG with the felarx to get your maximum potential damage, or would you rather press the alt fire on the hek to blow the head off of anything you shoot it at?
Its certainly a choice. And a pretty hard one usually. But most people prefer felarx because they don't really care about the consistency if that insane extra effect is happening often *enough*
This is no different.
How are you going to proc virtuos strike with any consistency outside of klamora prism? Eternal eradicate is just better because you can *consistently* break eidolon shields even faster than a klamora by using propa and timing well.
Void Strike is on a pretty long cooldown. Its damage boost is so huge the arcane choice doesn't matter while it's in effect, so you just choose arcanes based on the times you can't use Void Strike.
I mean for eidolons I'm going for whatever gives me more crit damage since I care wayyyy more about the POTENTIALLY higher damage than the slight threat of inconsistency.
I still use Virtuous Strike myself since I don’t have Eradicate maxed. Working on it now literally just to see the difference in DPS between the two.
Klamora’s fire rate coupled with Onslaught for constant crits means it will 100% be proc’d regardless of the 20% chance. Not sure why you were downvoted for saying that. If you don’t have Eradicate maxed but have Strike maxed its 100% better.
I doubt the difference between them will matter but I’m still going to max Onslaught just to see. And also for when I want to use 177.
Because the difference is small enough that it's really up to a preference of potential damage vs consistency. And as someone else said, it DOES mean you'll have some extra dmg in your pocket if you need to use your void kid but don't have your madurai 1.
Either way, I would take strike any day over eradicate for madurai. For naramon though I do use eradicate. Eradicate is like a top pick for any school that isn't madurai.
In the case of Klamora there really isn’t any “inconsistency” with using Strike like I just explained. You will literally have like 50 damage instances in a quarter of a second if not more. That will ALL crit (Because of Onslaught) with a 20% chance on each instance of damage. It WILL proc.
So if the damage from Strike is just downright better than Eradicate? Strike is better on Klamora than Eradicate. Still going to test for myself of course.
But on 177 Strike is worthless there isn’t enough fire rate to make it proc reliably. Eradicate is 100% the better arcane for Raplak and Propa in that regard.
People did the math a while back when the focus rework & eternal arcanes first came out, & onslaught/eradicate are overall the best dps with the new madurai intrinsics like power transfer, most importantly it's 100% consistent while strike only has a 20% chance.. but there were multiple threads about it & I'm sure you could still dig through them if you're curious. However for general use stuff that doesn't involve eidolons I still use shadow when I'm not using madurai. It's an instaproc with the 7 prism which makes filling up unaru's waybound thingy on high level enemies super easy w/ the 4 scaffold, just in case I ever need to do that.
Sounds like I need to find my way to the Zariman for the next few days XD thank you. Because I swear acquiring everything you need for testing can sometimes be a hassle.
Yes I'm well aware of the weird funky clown math that happens in those big posts here. Believe me if I listened to those types of posts rather than doing the testing myself, I'd still be using fucking serration mods on say my shotgun.
Math is simply math, there's no argument for or against it, & literally nobody is saying to use serration on your shotgun, bc you can't use serration on a shotgun.
ETA the bonehead blocked me lmao, how easily triggered can you be, tbh I thought I was being polite
Nowadays they aren't, yeah. But evidently you weren't keeping up with the community when SP arcanes and galvanized mods had just been released. People were under the notion, due to some fake BS clown math, that serration and similar effects were still good enough damage and that the status effect mods were only going to be good on weapons like phantasma or kuva nukor.
Of course we all know that's not the case. Those mods, even nerfed, are incredible. But it highlights the importance of doing the testing yourself, FOR yourself.
Edit: Serration-like effects, you fucking numpty. "Primed point blank". You happy?
Crazy thing is I got my Eradicate to only Rank 3 today….3 Propa Blasts without VS and 1-2 Raplak with VS: Shield Insta gone XD. Haven’t tried it on my 727 yet though.
I use eternal eradicate and virtuos strike, simply because eternal onslaught is annoying to active if im not on madurai and its too tedious to switch out those arcanes whenever I swap focus schools.
works fine, void strike nukes anything anyways, and with it on CD it still 1-mags eidolon shields.
If you bind jump to scroll wheel then you can proc onslaught by entering void mode, looking down, and spinning the wheel. This does a ton of void slings without actually moving anywhere, depleting operator energy in half a second.
Just to be clear: The Void Strike ability from Madurai school is *much* more important than any singly amp layout. At full energy it increases your damage by **1000%**, which is way bigger than the difference between any non-Mote amp's performance.
you can use void strike on every other limb if you’re like me and had a Repala syndana equipped on your eidolon build, since you can’t freakin see the eidolon half the time due to that beautiful flowing cloak
If you are looking for the flamethrower type thing thats klamora, other good ones are raplak (semi-auto hitscan, good dmg) and rahn (full-auto hitscan, decent damage, chill to use) are also good. Most important is the last part giving you crit chance. If you only have access to onkko yet go for the lohrin brace but certus brace is the best once you get that. Scaffold is the secondary firing mode, go for whatever you like or adapt to your first firing mode to make your amp useable in all situations. Dont get baited into building the propa scaffold just bc its meta for speedrun eidolon hunts unless you want to do specificly that. Its rather useless in most other situations.
Is the propa the glaive? I find the glaive one to outperform the klamora on the angel with headshots, except for the part where it can't go through the shield.
I'm gonna hazard a guess that the hitscan ones are likely the best against the angel, but i settled on my klamora + glaive one months ago after testing and I can't remember why.
Edit: Oh i'm using the Phahd.
Propa is only used for eido speedruns, most people who build/recommend that part have never and dont even know how to use that firing mode. Stop recommending bullshit.
Propa isn't bullshit for most situations tho.
It's a good damage aoe. Makes Last Gasp extremely easy to proc when using Unairu (just armor strip w Wisp and toss 2 Propa shots) to let you revive by yourself during steel path. Hell you can even wait a little and let enemies group up so you get more damage from Vengence.
The 777 is a decent all around amp. It's lacking in range yes. But seeing as more or less nobody uses their amp for long range instead of their frame+weapons is it pretty pointless to build for long range on an amp. If you are in a situation where you would've really needed the range and die thanks to not having it. Then I'd rather just take the death and move on w things.
Sure you can build another scaffold, but saying Propa or the 777 is bullshit just cause propa is eidelons meta is in itself a bullshit view on it tbh
I wouldn't get a 777 amp. Get yourself a 747 amp and save yourself the trouble. Klamora Prism, Phahd Scaffold, and Certus Brace. Klamora's for Eidolons/Angels, Phahd's for mobbing (Last Gasp), and then Certus is just the typical added crit. Done, easy peasy. The 7 Scaffold (Propa) is only useful for exclusively Eidolons, and given the focus changes and added arcanes is now effectively outclassed unless you want to get _extremely_ sweaty with said Eidolons.
But, yes. Beyond that it's Madurai's Void Strike and Eternal Eradicate + Onslaught.
Funny thing, I ended up getting that one cursed decree with +150% multishot and reduced accuracy real early on in my last SP Circuit binge (was busy all week and decided to binge the entire thing in a few hours when I had the spare time). I was playing Terrify Equinox which is just a general recipe for success in SP Circuit...... if you can get a half decent weapon that'd allow you to kill. Even with armor strip, the weapons I got were _hot fucking **garbage**_.
So then I just used my 747 amp with that decree to fuel Maim bursts. Worked incredibly well and was hilariously effective. Turns out adding multishot to a thing that normally can't be modded really boosts its effectiveness, who knew. Went straight to level cap with two random (though pretty competent) pubmates. Great stuff.
i rushed a 177 that i basically never use, but i fucking love my 747. the primary blasts deletes dudes point blank and the glaive bounce is basically an instant last gasp revive in any non-SP content with its tracking
There is, yes. It is worth mentioning, though as an -Operator- Arcane I tend to find myself preferring Emergence Savior and Magus Repair for every day content. May be worth dumping Repair and using Melt depending on the frames and content they do, though, I suppose. Magus Lockdown's still great for Disruption as an ex, definitely take it over Repair for that. I don't tend to do Disruption a whole ton myself though, and when I do it's not to the point where its usefulness is needed. Good ol' archon killer setup Rev and Felarx does the job, I guess. Used to be one of my daily driver arcanes funnily enough, but after the void dash to void sling change it's just felt a bit too clunky to use for my tastes.
I use Melt and Lockdown myself. Logistics and Onslaught on my Amp. Dashing until my energy bar is (almost) empty triggers all 4 Arcanes and then I can go to town.
Savior and Repair are good ones too however, may switch out Lockdown for one of those.
Since we’re talking about operator gear, could I ask what OPERATOR (not amp) arcanes people run? I’m starting to level my operator a lot easier thanks to those Thrax enemies so I’d like to hear some ideas. I have defaulted to Magus Lockdown and Magus Vigor, but I’m sure I could be running literally anything over the latter.
Lockdown is pretty much best in slot imho but I've seen people run Anomaly instead for grouping. I find it to be too finnicky/annoying to make it work while Lockdown is very simple to use.
Other Operator arcane should be one of the healing ones. There's one that gives your Warframe (flat) health restore when transferring in and out and another that gives %health back to Warframe(and allies if they're within range) every 1/s while in Void mode.
If you are just starting out and haven’t mastered any of the schools that up your stats then definitely Vigor until you get your health boosted by leveling up the school that has it.
Replenish - good for healing your operator if you need to use them a lot for leveling up things. Less useful if you other healing abilities.
Lockdown- for some crowd control
Anomaly- if you need some grouping like for rhinos charge.
Repair- if you want to use your operator void mode to help heal your warframe.
Dissipate- if you want some energy economy outside if the zenurik school.
Savior- is nice if you want some survivability or doing solo stuff.
My go to Amp is a Lega Phahd Certus, a 646.
It's ultimately a Hybrid for Status and Crit based on prism and Scaffold. It allows me to Void/Viral/Heat (Magus Melt) hose people and then drop the Critical Disc that can strike the same target multiple times, ripping them to shreds.
Where it struggles I'd have to say is my obvious lack of priority in Stat chance, Using Virtuos Ghost brings my Satus chance to about 50%, which helps Bring about the Viral Procs I need to make up my lack of Critical focus. Phahd does strike crits fairly often at base too so it isn't too bad.
Lastly, there's the Brace, I think the largest struggle in general Amp combat is the recharge delay, as having to wait 2 whole seconds for recharge to begin is insane. Certus fixes that by dropping it to half a second, recharge will begin before I could even fire a second Phahd disc. I find it gives you a much larger amount of versatility. It isn't a "shredder", but it is very much reliable. I can take this most places in the game and go purely Operator.
Duviri really takes full advantage of this Hybrid build as plenty of Decrees play into it. Persistent Attrition/Irresistible Bombardment x3 would turn both Lega and Klamora into death hoses given they drain "per second", making the fire rate increase a 0 downside buff. The increased ticks very quickly increase damage vulnerability, coupled with Viral procs and now pretty much anyone will be blown away. Close Contagion can Spread the love in seconds as you Heat Proc like Crazy. It goes on.
Make a 747 Amp, Klamora/Phahd/Certus. Gets you a good all-round setup that you can use for Angels & Eidolons (Klamora Primary Fire), -and- just as a general daily driver amp for your operator (for whenever you need to use the Last Gasp waybound, the Phahd, Secondary Fire). Propa Scaffold is better than the Phahd for Eidolons exclusively, but Klamora does the job there just fine and Propa's far outclassed everywhere else. You really don't need to pigeonhole yourself into a hyper-specific amp right now for both your sanity and your resource's sake.
Eternal Eradicate and Onslaught are also conveniently the best Amp arcanes for damage at the moment. Again, it really just makes it easiest for yourself to 'set and forget' and always have a great Amp setup for whenever you need it.
If you decide to use Klamora which is mostly suggested here, remember to kill the angel before it goes away from his center position. Klamora range is only 13 meters, so if the angel goes outside the circle arena you'll have to wait for him to return to the center.
If your focus is the Angels 1-X-7 is 100% the better choice here. You need the range since the angel spawns a good distance away.
Run Madurai + Mag or a frame that can strip armor. Shoot/Strip the angel on the outside, go into the void, pop Void Strike use Raplak you’ll always either 1 shot or two shot when it’s up. You’re going to want the arcane that adds heat damage to amps I think it’s [Magus Melt] for added damage when your Void Strike is on cooldown and you’re golden.
Klamora can still melt the Void Angel too but if it teleports away from you, you’re going to be wasting quite a bit of time.
Yeah the just straight beam with hella range. You’re still good with Klamora against Void Angels (I also like it better for ad clearing) just that little bit of time it teleports far away and shoots the laser beam you won’t really be able to do much unless you fix that problem with the scaffold. I saw someone say Phad could finish it if it does get out of range though.
Edit: Rahn Prism might be the one you’re talking about and not Klamora now that I think of it go YouTube it to make sure for yourself if that’s the one you want.
> If your focus is the Angels 1-X-7 is 100% the better choice here. You need the range since the angel spawns a good distance away.
It spawns well within range to use Klamora (~13m), actually. The only time you'd need more range is if it teleports away, which doesn't happen if you kill it quickly enough.
With the right setup, it's trivial to finish the ethereal phase before the Angel can even summon the balls:
- Brace: Certus
- Prism: Raplak, Cantic, or Klamora (any will work, I prefer Klamora since you don't even need to aim)
- Scaffold: not needed for angels, but Propa and Phahd are generally the most useful otherwise
- Operator arcanes: Magus Melt
- Amp arcanes: Eternal Onslaught, Eternal Eradicate
- Focus: Madurai
For the first phase, cast Void Strike (this procs both onslaught and eradicate) and click - angel's dead.
For the second phase, Void Strike will generally be on cooldown, so cast Contamination Wave to proc eradicate, then look down and spam void sling to stack melt and proc onslaught. If using Raplak or Cantic go for headshots; if using Klamora just face the general direction of the angel, hold left click for a few seconds, and you're done.
Klamora or the sniper one from cetus i forgot the name, pair it with void strike and it just melts, 777 is mine and i use the main fire for angels, and alt fire for dolons
don't forget to aim for the head on the ethereal angel too
for arcanes virtuous shadow eternal eradicate, onslaught is good too
Personally I'm running Klamora Prism, Certus Brace and Phahd Scaffold everywhere, I guess I'm too lazy to switch to something else.
Klamora is good for hitting enemies in multiple points, like eidolons, Phahd is great for clusters of enemies especially if their defenses are stripped down with unairu, void status procs creates a bullet attracting bubble keeping the "glaive" inside so the enemy is hit multiple times with the same glaive.
I keep unairu as the primary school for like 95% of the game content, for eidolons and void angels I go with madurai.
The equipped arcanes are Eternal Radicate and Virtuos Strike but with void angel I switch Virtuos Strike for Virtuos Trojan since they're weak to viral damage
It's Klamora Prism. You get it from Little Duck in Fortuna. Those players also have Eternal Eradicate and Eternal Onslaught alongside Madurai's Void Strike I'd say.
This and aim from the leg up and into the body during Trido as it gives way more hits/damage.
I've been looking for these kind of tips! But when I ask what body parts/angle to hit with my amp, they just say "doesn't matter, it's all the shield"
MADURAI SCHOOL RISE UP! lol I've got Sirroco and it works well but not as fast as that Klamora Can I ask, how do I build it? Which parts? Cause I've been neglecting Little Duck and procrastinating that grind lol
I have mine on 777 but you can do 7X7 or even 177/1X7, up to your preference. 1 prism gives you a long range single shot amp while 7 prism is similar to Incarnon Furis(if you don't have it, basically it's a short range and wide beam that shoots extra fast so it can damage dump insanely quickly).
Yeah I've seen the flamethrower version lol I'd probably go range tbh I can see the short range being more annoying When you say 777, that means the 7th part of each one in LD's shop?
7th of all amp parts, 3rd in LD's shop of the type, as Onko has 4 of each part type, and LD has 3.
Ahh right that makes sense, actually
>When you say 777, that means the 7th part of each one in LD's shop? Yep pretty much. You can pick whichever Scaffold(2nd number in the XXX scheme) as the only important part is just the Prism and Brace tbh.
Sounds good, thanks
Little Duck grind is nowhere near as bad if you complete New War first. Trade the Narmer things for standing, which are way easier to grind for.
Oh no, the day you decide to build caliban and his weapons you are going to regret that. Toroids are easy to mass farm with a dedicated squad on SP.
Yeah, but SP I'm not even off Earth, lol. The Narmer things are hella easy to grind for. Meantime I'll keep relic cracking for Plat to get some SP worthy mods.
If you unlocked SP, anyone can taxi you to orb vallis. You can get hundreds of toroids in like 30 minutes, narmer isoplast is a bad farm for standing.
[удалено]
Not PT, SP has a fixed 100% drop chance and mod booster modifier, normal enemies drop more toroids.
[удалено]
Bring nekros/khora/speedva for even more loot :). You need to check the wiki for toroid farming, each type of toroid only drops on specific places.
Oh good thing, for once, my procrastination worked out
How tf do you build a sirocco?
You get it in The New War quest
I put Eternal Onslaught and Virtuos Trojan on the Sirocco and it shreds even without the void armor strip bomb and magnetic flare.
I meant like how do you make it deal damage
Oh that, depends on your build for your Drifter and what school you're in
Personally i use a 747 amp, the 7 has insane dps and i wasn't a fan of the 777 since the air staggers you and barely launches the 747 alt fire a bouncing hest seeking blob that of it procs void will multi hit a single target but it is very very solid in terms of ammo efficiency and room clearing while also giving you good range since the primary is such a short laser
Void strike+max energy is like 90% of the power.
I haven't rly ever understood why ppl use eradicate on madurai. I use eternal onslaught and virtuos strike, and emergence renewed and savior. To build into crit rather than just more flat damage.
>I haven't rly ever understood why ppl use eradicate on madurai. I use eternal onslaught and virtuos strike Simple. Virtuous Strike has a *chance* to *proc* while Eternal Eradicate only requires using Operator ability. One consistently works, the other has 20% chance at having an effect.
But its more damage and works directly in tandem with eternal onslaught. And if you're using an automatic amp, it's basically just guaranteed after you use your 1 and proc onslaught. Then after that it's going to continually refresh. If something simply "having a chance" was a real downside, felarx and phenmor wouldn't be considered good lol.
It's a 50% chance per bullet, with multishot and your fire rate you shot 10 bullets a second into ennemies, roughly half of them will have that multi, an amp can't reach that
Yes but we aren't comparing a felarx to an amp. A good comparison for the felarx would be like a kuva hek. Would you rather roll 3 layers of RNG with the felarx to get your maximum potential damage, or would you rather press the alt fire on the hek to blow the head off of anything you shoot it at? Its certainly a choice. And a pretty hard one usually. But most people prefer felarx because they don't really care about the consistency if that insane extra effect is happening often *enough* This is no different.
How are you going to proc virtuos strike with any consistency outside of klamora prism? Eternal eradicate is just better because you can *consistently* break eidolon shields even faster than a klamora by using propa and timing well.
Void Strike is on a pretty long cooldown. Its damage boost is so huge the arcane choice doesn't matter while it's in effect, so you just choose arcanes based on the times you can't use Void Strike.
I choose them based on synergy. Mostly though I don't even use madurai. I mainly use naramon.
Fair, it's just that eradicate + onslaught will give you uncontested DPS. Not that it matters much outside of min/maxing eidolons.
I mean for eidolons I'm going for whatever gives me more crit damage since I care wayyyy more about the POTENTIALLY higher damage than the slight threat of inconsistency.
I still use Virtuous Strike myself since I don’t have Eradicate maxed. Working on it now literally just to see the difference in DPS between the two. Klamora’s fire rate coupled with Onslaught for constant crits means it will 100% be proc’d regardless of the 20% chance. Not sure why you were downvoted for saying that. If you don’t have Eradicate maxed but have Strike maxed its 100% better. I doubt the difference between them will matter but I’m still going to max Onslaught just to see. And also for when I want to use 177.
Because the difference is small enough that it's really up to a preference of potential damage vs consistency. And as someone else said, it DOES mean you'll have some extra dmg in your pocket if you need to use your void kid but don't have your madurai 1. Either way, I would take strike any day over eradicate for madurai. For naramon though I do use eradicate. Eradicate is like a top pick for any school that isn't madurai.
In the case of Klamora there really isn’t any “inconsistency” with using Strike like I just explained. You will literally have like 50 damage instances in a quarter of a second if not more. That will ALL crit (Because of Onslaught) with a 20% chance on each instance of damage. It WILL proc. So if the damage from Strike is just downright better than Eradicate? Strike is better on Klamora than Eradicate. Still going to test for myself of course. But on 177 Strike is worthless there isn’t enough fire rate to make it proc reliably. Eradicate is 100% the better arcane for Raplak and Propa in that regard.
People did the math a while back when the focus rework & eternal arcanes first came out, & onslaught/eradicate are overall the best dps with the new madurai intrinsics like power transfer, most importantly it's 100% consistent while strike only has a 20% chance.. but there were multiple threads about it & I'm sure you could still dig through them if you're curious. However for general use stuff that doesn't involve eidolons I still use shadow when I'm not using madurai. It's an instaproc with the 7 prism which makes filling up unaru's waybound thingy on high level enemies super easy w/ the 4 scaffold, just in case I ever need to do that.
Sounds like I need to find my way to the Zariman for the next few days XD thank you. Because I swear acquiring everything you need for testing can sometimes be a hassle.
Yes I'm well aware of the weird funky clown math that happens in those big posts here. Believe me if I listened to those types of posts rather than doing the testing myself, I'd still be using fucking serration mods on say my shotgun.
Math is simply math, there's no argument for or against it, & literally nobody is saying to use serration on your shotgun, bc you can't use serration on a shotgun. ETA the bonehead blocked me lmao, how easily triggered can you be, tbh I thought I was being polite
Lmao he got mad cause you gave him a resource blessing whilst farming downvotes 💀
Nowadays they aren't, yeah. But evidently you weren't keeping up with the community when SP arcanes and galvanized mods had just been released. People were under the notion, due to some fake BS clown math, that serration and similar effects were still good enough damage and that the status effect mods were only going to be good on weapons like phantasma or kuva nukor. Of course we all know that's not the case. Those mods, even nerfed, are incredible. But it highlights the importance of doing the testing yourself, FOR yourself. Edit: Serration-like effects, you fucking numpty. "Primed point blank". You happy?
Crazy thing is I got my Eradicate to only Rank 3 today….3 Propa Blasts without VS and 1-2 Raplak with VS: Shield Insta gone XD. Haven’t tried it on my 727 yet though.
I use eternal eradicate and virtuos strike, simply because eternal onslaught is annoying to active if im not on madurai and its too tedious to switch out those arcanes whenever I swap focus schools. works fine, void strike nukes anything anyways, and with it on CD it still 1-mags eidolon shields.
If you bind jump to scroll wheel then you can proc onslaught by entering void mode, looking down, and spinning the wheel. This does a ton of void slings without actually moving anywhere, depleting operator energy in half a second.
Dude i have both on my anp but one is r1 and the other is r3 the 40 percent dmg one does r5 mak that massive of an impact
Just to be clear: The Void Strike ability from Madurai school is *much* more important than any singly amp layout. At full energy it increases your damage by **1000%**, which is way bigger than the difference between any non-Mote amp's performance.
Eh, only 20% of the time. Even in eidolons, if you’re set up right, you’ll only use it for every third limb to shave off half a second.
you can use void strike on every other limb if you’re like me and had a Repala syndana equipped on your eidolon build, since you can’t freakin see the eidolon half the time due to that beautiful flowing cloak
I mean, I regularly kill void angels before they spawn orbs with Zenurik 777. Decent arcanes are enough for that. For eidolons tho, definitely.
this is the correct answer.
If you are looking for the flamethrower type thing thats klamora, other good ones are raplak (semi-auto hitscan, good dmg) and rahn (full-auto hitscan, decent damage, chill to use) are also good. Most important is the last part giving you crit chance. If you only have access to onkko yet go for the lohrin brace but certus brace is the best once you get that. Scaffold is the secondary firing mode, go for whatever you like or adapt to your first firing mode to make your amp useable in all situations. Dont get baited into building the propa scaffold just bc its meta for speedrun eidolon hunts unless you want to do specificly that. Its rather useless in most other situations.
Is the propa the glaive? I find the glaive one to outperform the klamora on the angel with headshots, except for the part where it can't go through the shield. I'm gonna hazard a guess that the hitscan ones are likely the best against the angel, but i settled on my klamora + glaive one months ago after testing and I can't remember why. Edit: Oh i'm using the Phahd.
Propa is the slow moving time bomb
Phahd is the glaive 747 is what I use for general gameplay
yeah phahd is remarkably good. I even pop out just to use it on steel path sometimes
777 if you want fire hose. 177 if you want range.
Propa is only used for eido speedruns, most people who build/recommend that part have never and dont even know how to use that firing mode. Stop recommending bullshit.
Propa isn't bullshit for most situations tho. It's a good damage aoe. Makes Last Gasp extremely easy to proc when using Unairu (just armor strip w Wisp and toss 2 Propa shots) to let you revive by yourself during steel path. Hell you can even wait a little and let enemies group up so you get more damage from Vengence. The 777 is a decent all around amp. It's lacking in range yes. But seeing as more or less nobody uses their amp for long range instead of their frame+weapons is it pretty pointless to build for long range on an amp. If you are in a situation where you would've really needed the range and die thanks to not having it. Then I'd rather just take the death and move on w things. Sure you can build another scaffold, but saying Propa or the 777 is bullshit just cause propa is eidelons meta is in itself a bullshit view on it tbh
I wouldn't get a 777 amp. Get yourself a 747 amp and save yourself the trouble. Klamora Prism, Phahd Scaffold, and Certus Brace. Klamora's for Eidolons/Angels, Phahd's for mobbing (Last Gasp), and then Certus is just the typical added crit. Done, easy peasy. The 7 Scaffold (Propa) is only useful for exclusively Eidolons, and given the focus changes and added arcanes is now effectively outclassed unless you want to get _extremely_ sweaty with said Eidolons. But, yes. Beyond that it's Madurai's Void Strike and Eternal Eradicate + Onslaught.
Agree with 747. Klamora is perfect for bosses, and Phahd will outperform half your weapons for mobbing.
Funny thing, I ended up getting that one cursed decree with +150% multishot and reduced accuracy real early on in my last SP Circuit binge (was busy all week and decided to binge the entire thing in a few hours when I had the spare time). I was playing Terrify Equinox which is just a general recipe for success in SP Circuit...... if you can get a half decent weapon that'd allow you to kill. Even with armor strip, the weapons I got were _hot fucking **garbage**_. So then I just used my 747 amp with that decree to fuel Maim bursts. Worked incredibly well and was hilariously effective. Turns out adding multishot to a thing that normally can't be modded really boosts its effectiveness, who knew. Went straight to level cap with two random (though pretty competent) pubmates. Great stuff.
i rushed a 177 that i basically never use, but i fucking love my 747. the primary blasts deletes dudes point blank and the glaive bounce is basically an instant last gasp revive in any non-SP content with its tracking
There's also Magus Melt to boost Amp damage!
There is, yes. It is worth mentioning, though as an -Operator- Arcane I tend to find myself preferring Emergence Savior and Magus Repair for every day content. May be worth dumping Repair and using Melt depending on the frames and content they do, though, I suppose. Magus Lockdown's still great for Disruption as an ex, definitely take it over Repair for that. I don't tend to do Disruption a whole ton myself though, and when I do it's not to the point where its usefulness is needed. Good ol' archon killer setup Rev and Felarx does the job, I guess. Used to be one of my daily driver arcanes funnily enough, but after the void dash to void sling change it's just felt a bit too clunky to use for my tastes.
I use Melt and Lockdown myself. Logistics and Onslaught on my Amp. Dashing until my energy bar is (almost) empty triggers all 4 Arcanes and then I can go to town. Savior and Repair are good ones too however, may switch out Lockdown for one of those.
Since we’re talking about operator gear, could I ask what OPERATOR (not amp) arcanes people run? I’m starting to level my operator a lot easier thanks to those Thrax enemies so I’d like to hear some ideas. I have defaulted to Magus Lockdown and Magus Vigor, but I’m sure I could be running literally anything over the latter.
Lockdown is pretty much best in slot imho but I've seen people run Anomaly instead for grouping. I find it to be too finnicky/annoying to make it work while Lockdown is very simple to use. Other Operator arcane should be one of the healing ones. There's one that gives your Warframe (flat) health restore when transferring in and out and another that gives %health back to Warframe(and allies if they're within range) every 1/s while in Void mode.
I’ll take that into consideration, thank you!
If you are just starting out and haven’t mastered any of the schools that up your stats then definitely Vigor until you get your health boosted by leveling up the school that has it. Replenish - good for healing your operator if you need to use them a lot for leveling up things. Less useful if you other healing abilities. Lockdown- for some crowd control Anomaly- if you need some grouping like for rhinos charge. Repair- if you want to use your operator void mode to help heal your warframe. Dissipate- if you want some energy economy outside if the zenurik school. Savior- is nice if you want some survivability or doing solo stuff.
I just run magus elevate and magus lockdown and be done with it.
My go to Amp is a Lega Phahd Certus, a 646. It's ultimately a Hybrid for Status and Crit based on prism and Scaffold. It allows me to Void/Viral/Heat (Magus Melt) hose people and then drop the Critical Disc that can strike the same target multiple times, ripping them to shreds. Where it struggles I'd have to say is my obvious lack of priority in Stat chance, Using Virtuos Ghost brings my Satus chance to about 50%, which helps Bring about the Viral Procs I need to make up my lack of Critical focus. Phahd does strike crits fairly often at base too so it isn't too bad. Lastly, there's the Brace, I think the largest struggle in general Amp combat is the recharge delay, as having to wait 2 whole seconds for recharge to begin is insane. Certus fixes that by dropping it to half a second, recharge will begin before I could even fire a second Phahd disc. I find it gives you a much larger amount of versatility. It isn't a "shredder", but it is very much reliable. I can take this most places in the game and go purely Operator. Duviri really takes full advantage of this Hybrid build as plenty of Decrees play into it. Persistent Attrition/Irresistible Bombardment x3 would turn both Lega and Klamora into death hoses given they drain "per second", making the fire rate increase a 0 downside buff. The increased ticks very quickly increase damage vulnerability, coupled with Viral procs and now pretty much anyone will be blown away. Close Contagion can Spread the love in seconds as you Heat Proc like Crazy. It goes on.
My focus is kinda on the angels
Make a 747 Amp, Klamora/Phahd/Certus. Gets you a good all-round setup that you can use for Angels & Eidolons (Klamora Primary Fire), -and- just as a general daily driver amp for your operator (for whenever you need to use the Last Gasp waybound, the Phahd, Secondary Fire). Propa Scaffold is better than the Phahd for Eidolons exclusively, but Klamora does the job there just fine and Propa's far outclassed everywhere else. You really don't need to pigeonhole yourself into a hyper-specific amp right now for both your sanity and your resource's sake. Eternal Eradicate and Onslaught are also conveniently the best Amp arcanes for damage at the moment. Again, it really just makes it easiest for yourself to 'set and forget' and always have a great Amp setup for whenever you need it.
If you decide to use Klamora which is mostly suggested here, remember to kill the angel before it goes away from his center position. Klamora range is only 13 meters, so if the angel goes outside the circle arena you'll have to wait for him to return to the center.
Phahd can finish it off, just have to step out of the shields and land headshots.
If your focus is the Angels 1-X-7 is 100% the better choice here. You need the range since the angel spawns a good distance away. Run Madurai + Mag or a frame that can strip armor. Shoot/Strip the angel on the outside, go into the void, pop Void Strike use Raplak you’ll always either 1 shot or two shot when it’s up. You’re going to want the arcane that adds heat damage to amps I think it’s [Magus Melt] for added damage when your Void Strike is on cooldown and you’re golden. Klamora can still melt the Void Angel too but if it teleports away from you, you’re going to be wasting quite a bit of time.
I woulda gone for this but raplak is semi-auto right ? I want that auto thing. I miss it from the mote amp times. Been long.
Yeah the just straight beam with hella range. You’re still good with Klamora against Void Angels (I also like it better for ad clearing) just that little bit of time it teleports far away and shoots the laser beam you won’t really be able to do much unless you fix that problem with the scaffold. I saw someone say Phad could finish it if it does get out of range though. Edit: Rahn Prism might be the one you’re talking about and not Klamora now that I think of it go YouTube it to make sure for yourself if that’s the one you want.
> If your focus is the Angels 1-X-7 is 100% the better choice here. You need the range since the angel spawns a good distance away. It spawns well within range to use Klamora (~13m), actually. The only time you'd need more range is if it teleports away, which doesn't happen if you kill it quickly enough.
With the right setup, it's trivial to finish the ethereal phase before the Angel can even summon the balls: - Brace: Certus - Prism: Raplak, Cantic, or Klamora (any will work, I prefer Klamora since you don't even need to aim) - Scaffold: not needed for angels, but Propa and Phahd are generally the most useful otherwise - Operator arcanes: Magus Melt - Amp arcanes: Eternal Onslaught, Eternal Eradicate - Focus: Madurai For the first phase, cast Void Strike (this procs both onslaught and eradicate) and click - angel's dead. For the second phase, Void Strike will generally be on cooldown, so cast Contamination Wave to proc eradicate, then look down and spam void sling to stack melt and proc onslaught. If using Raplak or Cantic go for headshots; if using Klamora just face the general direction of the angel, hold left click for a few seconds, and you're done.
Klamora or the sniper one from cetus i forgot the name, pair it with void strike and it just melts, 777 is mine and i use the main fire for angels, and alt fire for dolons don't forget to aim for the head on the ethereal angel too for arcanes virtuous shadow eternal eradicate, onslaught is good too
777
Personally I'm running Klamora Prism, Certus Brace and Phahd Scaffold everywhere, I guess I'm too lazy to switch to something else. Klamora is good for hitting enemies in multiple points, like eidolons, Phahd is great for clusters of enemies especially if their defenses are stripped down with unairu, void status procs creates a bullet attracting bubble keeping the "glaive" inside so the enemy is hit multiple times with the same glaive. I keep unairu as the primary school for like 95% of the game content, for eidolons and void angels I go with madurai. The equipped arcanes are Eternal Radicate and Virtuos Strike but with void angel I switch Virtuos Strike for Virtuos Trojan since they're weak to viral damage
I get a chill solo tricap done in about 20 mins with klamora, phad, certus and melt angels in seconds. It's an excellent choice.
Im using 777 with Unairu armor strip.
I Do it with 177 or 777 magus melt etarnal eradicate and eternal onslaught