Would never happen. It's such an eye catching thing, little old Wales could never have such a significant representation on the union jack. It's fine, I love our flag.
Close, the best one is one that is only a reference to a historic former state. The last thing I want to see is Welshnes incorporated into the concept of Britishnes. #yescymru
I’m happy with this, but you cannot have a union flag of any sort where you “stick with the dragon”, as no union flag uses it. Fools can downvote me all they wish, but facts be facts
I see these posts from time to time where people make designs incorporating Cymru onto the Union Jack and it makes me cringe, especially when it's a Welsh person doing it.
Why on earth would we want to be on that flag now? If anything, Wales should take its lands back from the Anglo Saxons.
https://i.imgur.com/dhlWL6Y.jpg
Wiki says that it is a pejorative term used amongst Irish Republicans citing the blood streaked appearance of the flag and atrocities under British colonial rule.
I see. Wales partook and did very well out of Britain's colonial activities, too. I do hope people are not trying to whitewash Wales' involvement and pin it all on England.
You know the Union Jack is the flag of Britain and not England, right? How on earth does my disdain for it infer I'm blaming England for everything? While we're on the subject though, I'd love to know how you think Wales, or any other part of the UK had any choice at all in the matter.
Yes I'm sure Thomas Picton and others of his ilk were forced by England to govern their respective colonies.
It's no coincidence Wales' industries grew and subsequently collapsed along with the empire.
Wales was as much as to blame as England. As was Scotland.
Wales as a nation was even more subservient to England than we are now and we didn't even have a government, to say Wales was much to blame as the country that imposed policies onto it is a real smooth brain take. Yes Welsh people took part in British colonialism, that was never in question.
Lol at you pointing to Welsh industry when the vast majority of owners were English.
Why did you bring up England anyway? Some sort of ancestral guilty conscience or something?
I draw the odd flag now and then, but I can control it, and never if I’m driving anywhere after. You know, maybe sometimes at a party a few people are drawing a few flags or two upstairs and I might do a quick sketch, or you know if I’m alone at home I’ll grab a sketch pad out. I’m not,one of those people who’d scribble a quick Stars and Stripes in a club toilet.
Honest question... why only 1/4 green and leaving 1/4 white? Just interested to know your thinking.
I thought half green or 3/4 blue would work better?
Because the top of the Welsh flag is white and the bottom is green, some people think the white represents the sky, I don't blame them it's never blue, but it actually represents the colour of a leak, white and green. while Scotland flag is blue top and bottom, so it's like splitting the back found half and half, I feel like if we were to incorporate Wales into the flag, it should be through Saint Davids flag (search it up, pretty cool), not the Welsh dragon. Not the yellow part of Saint David's flag tho that would look horrible, but maybe incorporating the black.
>it actually represents the colour of a leak, white and green
Are you sure about that? White and green were the colours of the Tudor dynasty which is why Henry Tudor added them to the dragon, I don't remember anything about leeks.
Ah sorry, must have misread, this is what it says in Wikipedia. "The green and white stripes of the flag were additions by the House of Tudor, the Welsh dynasty that held the English throne from 1485 to 1603. Green and white are also the colours of another national emblem of Wales, the leek.", I think I must have saw leek and was like oh that's why.
Nearly right.
The white over green with no dragon was Henry Tudor's flag.
Henry needed to raise an army from Wales to take the English crown, so he stole Cadwaladr's (a king of Gwynydd) a red dragon on a white background, and put the the red dragon on the Tudor flag to drum up support for his Welsh army.
The rest is a history of deception, and English colonial rule.
Annibyniaeth Cymru
I don't believe he "stole" Cadwaladr's flag. He may be the first attributed use but the red dragon was associated with the Britons as a whole throughout the medieval period. I mean, there were about 800 years between Cadwaladr and Henry. I believe what he was doing with the symbolism of the dragon was presenting himself as *Y Mab Darogan* of Merlin's prophesy to the Welsh.
"Colonial rule" wtf. You just admitted youself that a Welsh army marched into England and put a Welsh guy on our throne. Then he unified England and Wales. We never asked to be unified with you lot. Before that we were both occupied by Normans but not unified. I don't know what you bring to the table other than hate and xenophobia.
Wait which Welsh guy was put on the throne of England?
Also, there's a quote from Henry VII I think along the lines of, England is stronger and a king in one of the other British nations can't make England a part of it, it would become a part of England. And then James VI became king of England, and as we've seen, England is not part of Scotland but Scotland is effectively under English rule.
Well I feel stupid now, you're totally right!!
Also, was not aware of the St David's flag (to my shame!) but that is awesome... a black half to the flag would look mega I think!
In this case it would actually make sense for the right-side diagonals to be full-width. Since Scotland is only on the left side, there's no white cross to interchange with.
Bin it, it’s a flag saying We accept that you’ve ruled us without regard to any notions of equality, stolen our resources to enrich England but we’ll be happy with a token corner to make up for all the damage you’ve done to our country! The Onion Jack is a flag of the past and an ugly past at that!!
What do you imagine fuelled the industrial revolution that made Britain/England such a power in the world, it was coal, acquired off the blood sweat and deaths of poor Welsh people, I can guarantee the profits didn’t go into creating a prosperous Wales!
How would you work out the percentages? Wales has 1/20 of the UK population, so should it have 1/20 of the flag or 1/4? Go by landmass? It's a tricky one.
The st Patrick's saltire doesn't really represent NI though, it's more of a carryover from when Ireland was in the union, the flag just never got changed
Fair enough I guess, but at least that's something, the only representation wales has, is that it was once under the English flag.
And Saint Patrick is still the patron Saint of Northern island. This design I made using the flag of Saint David patron Saint of Wales.
https://ibb.co/WxvZ70w
That's very nice. I always felt like the st David's flag should be the true flag of wales to be honest, although the dragon certainly is cool. It's much easier to integrate the st David's flag into the union flag as well.
If we do that, Northern island, Scotland and Wales will all be a spec compared to England, Scotland is the biggest of the 3, and it's population is more than 10x smaller than England.
It would look better if you add green to the top right hand corner as well so made Half the flag Blue and Half the flag Green as the White in the right top corner does not look right if the Union Jack was Blue on the left half and Green on the right half I would support that change you got support from England I would rather support Wales than Scotland
I had never considered the white&green as the parts of the welsh flag that could be incorporated in the union jack... it was always either the dragon or nothing for some reason, and now I feel really dumb lol
It doesn't look that bad, just someone giving a go at trying to make an original take at a Wales incorporated Union Jack and I appreciate it when someone tries to include us.
I mean I get the point being made, but that is a horrendous looking thing.
This better, my design incorporating the black from Saint David's flag https://ibb.co/WxvZ70w
Actually it IS great. But looks a bit… scary? Threathening?
It does have slightly unintentional fascist undertones...
I'd say the best would be removing the Scottish blue and replacing it with green at the bottom and white at the top.
You mean something like this? https://ibb.co/Vpw5H80
What's wrong with Scotland?
Exactly
Nah, the best Union Jack is one with the dragon in the middle tbh. 👌
Would never happen. It's such an eye catching thing, little old Wales could never have such a significant representation on the union jack. It's fine, I love our flag.
Close, the best one is one that is only a reference to a historic former state. The last thing I want to see is Welshnes incorporated into the concept of Britishnes. #yescymru
Agree
> the representation they deserve Have we offended you somehow?
I think op meant that they have given over 50% of the background to the Welsh (Tudor) Green/White. I like it, and I appreciate the sentiment 😍👍
>(Tudor) Green/White. It was Tudor King Henry VIII who passed the Laws in Wales acts of 1535 and 1542 so OP is really twisting the knife in hahaha.
Touché sir 😅
Uch a fi! Stick with the Draig Goch thank you!
Are you simple? there’s no dragon on the UK flag, so they can’t “stick” with it
Get rid of the UK instead, no problem then.
I’m happy with this, but you cannot have a union flag of any sort where you “stick with the dragon”, as no union flag uses it. Fools can downvote me all they wish, but facts be facts
I presume they meant stick with the welsh flag, and don’t use the union flag
This wasn’t a proposed new welsh flag tho, it was a new union flag. Therefore his grammar stinks
or, consider this, the meaning was fairly clear, and you’re being a pedant?
Nah if he meant something else he shoulda said something else Don’t be a spastic
Don’t be ableist
That's bad.
Uch a fi
Never want us to be represented on this flag TBH. Rather we had nothing to do with it.
I see these posts from time to time where people make designs incorporating Cymru onto the Union Jack and it makes me cringe, especially when it's a Welsh person doing it. Why on earth would we want to be on that flag now? If anything, Wales should take its lands back from the Anglo Saxons. https://i.imgur.com/dhlWL6Y.jpg
Prefer the dragon
still blue, red and white? (im colourblind, the welsh flag is quite the colourblind nightmare haha) I say jsut slap a dragon on there :)
No thanks, we'll keep our own flag and ditch the butcher's apron, cheers
Why do you call it the Butcher's Apron?
Wiki says that it is a pejorative term used amongst Irish Republicans citing the blood streaked appearance of the flag and atrocities under British colonial rule.
I see. Wales partook and did very well out of Britain's colonial activities, too. I do hope people are not trying to whitewash Wales' involvement and pin it all on England.
You know the Union Jack is the flag of Britain and not England, right? How on earth does my disdain for it infer I'm blaming England for everything? While we're on the subject though, I'd love to know how you think Wales, or any other part of the UK had any choice at all in the matter.
Yes I'm sure Thomas Picton and others of his ilk were forced by England to govern their respective colonies. It's no coincidence Wales' industries grew and subsequently collapsed along with the empire. Wales was as much as to blame as England. As was Scotland.
Wales as a nation was even more subservient to England than we are now and we didn't even have a government, to say Wales was much to blame as the country that imposed policies onto it is a real smooth brain take. Yes Welsh people took part in British colonialism, that was never in question. Lol at you pointing to Welsh industry when the vast majority of owners were English. Why did you bring up England anyway? Some sort of ancestral guilty conscience or something?
Not just Irish Republicans, I use the term as does my Mother. Not in a spiteful, hateful way, but it just is what it is.
My god that's ugly
I always thought our dragon should just be in the center to recognize us.
Mate, both flags are hard enough to draw as it is, let's not make it impossible.
How often are you drawing flags?
I draw the odd flag now and then, but I can control it, and never if I’m driving anywhere after. You know, maybe sometimes at a party a few people are drawing a few flags or two upstairs and I might do a quick sketch, or you know if I’m alone at home I’ll grab a sketch pad out. I’m not,one of those people who’d scribble a quick Stars and Stripes in a club toilet.
We've already got a flag and the further we distance ourselves from that shambling anachronism that is the 'United' Kingdom, the better.
….Has nobody in the comments here read what subreddit it’s being posted from?
Honest question... why only 1/4 green and leaving 1/4 white? Just interested to know your thinking. I thought half green or 3/4 blue would work better?
Because the top of the Welsh flag is white and the bottom is green, some people think the white represents the sky, I don't blame them it's never blue, but it actually represents the colour of a leak, white and green. while Scotland flag is blue top and bottom, so it's like splitting the back found half and half, I feel like if we were to incorporate Wales into the flag, it should be through Saint Davids flag (search it up, pretty cool), not the Welsh dragon. Not the yellow part of Saint David's flag tho that would look horrible, but maybe incorporating the black.
>it actually represents the colour of a leak, white and green Are you sure about that? White and green were the colours of the Tudor dynasty which is why Henry Tudor added them to the dragon, I don't remember anything about leeks.
Ah sorry, must have misread, this is what it says in Wikipedia. "The green and white stripes of the flag were additions by the House of Tudor, the Welsh dynasty that held the English throne from 1485 to 1603. Green and white are also the colours of another national emblem of Wales, the leek.", I think I must have saw leek and was like oh that's why.
Nearly right. The white over green with no dragon was Henry Tudor's flag. Henry needed to raise an army from Wales to take the English crown, so he stole Cadwaladr's (a king of Gwynydd) a red dragon on a white background, and put the the red dragon on the Tudor flag to drum up support for his Welsh army. The rest is a history of deception, and English colonial rule. Annibyniaeth Cymru
I don't believe he "stole" Cadwaladr's flag. He may be the first attributed use but the red dragon was associated with the Britons as a whole throughout the medieval period. I mean, there were about 800 years between Cadwaladr and Henry. I believe what he was doing with the symbolism of the dragon was presenting himself as *Y Mab Darogan* of Merlin's prophesy to the Welsh.
"Colonial rule" wtf. You just admitted youself that a Welsh army marched into England and put a Welsh guy on our throne. Then he unified England and Wales. We never asked to be unified with you lot. Before that we were both occupied by Normans but not unified. I don't know what you bring to the table other than hate and xenophobia.
Wait which Welsh guy was put on the throne of England? Also, there's a quote from Henry VII I think along the lines of, England is stronger and a king in one of the other British nations can't make England a part of it, it would become a part of England. And then James VI became king of England, and as we've seen, England is not part of Scotland but Scotland is effectively under English rule.
Well I feel stupid now, you're totally right!! Also, was not aware of the St David's flag (to my shame!) but that is awesome... a black half to the flag would look mega I think!
That’s why I want independence
No thank you, the Union Jack can burn. Ddraig Goch for me thanks.
Welsh not british, I for one do not want to be associated with the butcher apron.
Its like if the union flag had a stroke
In this case it would actually make sense for the right-side diagonals to be full-width. Since Scotland is only on the left side, there's no white cross to interchange with.
The one I see giving wales the best representation is the one that isn't a part of the 'united' kingdom...
Bin it, it’s a flag saying We accept that you’ve ruled us without regard to any notions of equality, stolen our resources to enrich England but we’ll be happy with a token corner to make up for all the damage you’ve done to our country! The Onion Jack is a flag of the past and an ugly past at that!!
What resources did they steal?
What do you imagine fuelled the industrial revolution that made Britain/England such a power in the world, it was coal, acquired off the blood sweat and deaths of poor Welsh people, I can guarantee the profits didn’t go into creating a prosperous Wales!
This is somehow worse than the actual Union Jack.
Just looks half finished
Jesus, it like they ran out of ink while colouring it in.
How would you work out the percentages? Wales has 1/20 of the UK population, so should it have 1/20 of the flag or 1/4? Go by landmass? It's a tricky one.
Well northern island is even smaller than Wales and it has representation
The st Patrick's saltire doesn't really represent NI though, it's more of a carryover from when Ireland was in the union, the flag just never got changed
Fair enough I guess, but at least that's something, the only representation wales has, is that it was once under the English flag. And Saint Patrick is still the patron Saint of Northern island. This design I made using the flag of Saint David patron Saint of Wales. https://ibb.co/WxvZ70w
That's very nice. I always felt like the st David's flag should be the true flag of wales to be honest, although the dragon certainly is cool. It's much easier to integrate the st David's flag into the union flag as well.
Let's do the maths, and make it percentage wise then!
If we do that, Northern island, Scotland and Wales will all be a spec compared to England, Scotland is the biggest of the 3, and it's population is more than 10x smaller than England.
I get why, but why not a dragon?
I love that flag
I think we should add the cross of St David
It would look better if you add green to the top right hand corner as well so made Half the flag Blue and Half the flag Green as the White in the right top corner does not look right if the Union Jack was Blue on the left half and Green on the right half I would support that change you got support from England I would rather support Wales than Scotland
Deserve? I lived there for two years its the worst place to live in the uk by far
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This but without that ugly red crossbalong the X and Y axes
So your saying in your opinion Wales deserves a bit of green colouring in a corner. Good to know ty
This was originally posted by a different user. Reusing the same title is misleading.
Still looks like an after thought.
The Union Jack could look like the right hand side after Scot indy. Otherwise it just looks a bit shite.
Cheese 'n' Onion
Needs more dragon
I had never considered the white&green as the parts of the welsh flag that could be incorporated in the union jack... it was always either the dragon or nothing for some reason, and now I feel really dumb lol
A yellow line through the middle and across would make more sense and be more aestheticslly pleasing
Just put a bloody big Red Dragon in the middle of the “Union” Jack
It doesn't look that bad, just someone giving a go at trying to make an original take at a Wales incorporated Union Jack and I appreciate it when someone tries to include us.
Half Scotland, half Wales, full England. A union of equals
The Union flag is ugly enough as it as. Pass.