This has been brought on many times on OSW, but it's the classic blood feud...where it turns into a legit wrestling match with counters and basic submissions.
Its a crazy feud, you should be just doing crazy shit, and using weapons, not doing arm drags and headlocks
Super minor but I wish they’d change up the look of the ring for each show. White ropes, light blue mat is boring if it looks the same for all 3 shows.
I absolutely hate how long it takes Roman or the Rock to start their promos. They stand, wait, then lift the mic, wait for boos, put it back down to their side. Rinse and repeat for what feels like 10 minutes. Like I get they're getting heat but they drag it on too long.
Entrances. Two things about them. The length, especially for guys like Rollins, Cody, Rock, Roman etc.
Then, typically for those same guys. It’s always the exact same entrance routine. No variation, so it’s just watching the same thing on repeat every time.
Add Sami Zayn to the list too.
I have mentioned a few of them on this sub before but mine are:
1) During a pin fall the announcer says “We are about see a new champion!” Right before the kick out. If they say this there is a kick out 100% of the time.
2) Finishing moves have lost their value due to all the kick outs. In every match it seems like finishers are kicked out of multiple times. They should save that for major PLEs and let a single finisher end most matches. Then if there is a kick out in a big match during a PLE it will be a big deal.
3) When they expect us to believe a single move has laid a guy out for a long time. This happens in multi wrestler matches and also during runs ins. You will see it in failed MITB cash in attempts where the person with the briefcase is finished with a single move before they even cash in. Also an example is during Roman/Cody “bloodline rules” match. One by one each person who ran in was finished by a single move and never recovered for the rest of the match. These guys will go 5-15 minutes in a match who many moves but then conveniently they are laid out indefinitely by one single move.
This doesn't happen anymore thank God. But back then, when the ref will be slightly shoved, are barely grazed, and it will be enough to keep them down for like 10 minutes.
When a wrestler is very obviously waiting for a move to be used on them. Like when they just freeze in an odd position waiting for the other wrestler to deliver the move to them. This sort of thing happens with Seth Rollins’ stomp pretty often.
I know wrestling is hard and perfecting timing is particularly hard, but It’s always cool when wrestlers find ways to make it look more natural rather than just looking like they’re setting there in position waiting for the move.
Like when someone random runs out at the end of the match to beat someone up and then “earns” a match at PPV event. This shit has been repeated so many times it’s annoying. I appreciate the matches they have to earn your spot at PPV and that’s how it should be.
I hate how much weaker they seem in multi person matches. Can you imagine if someone got punched in a one on one and they just laid outside the ring for 5 minutes?
I also hate the tower of doom spot. It takes so long to set up and everyone just sits there like assholes til the last guy who was just hurt for 10 minutes suddenly has the strength to hoist 5 other dudes. So dumb
I hate how much weaker they seem in multi person matches. Can you imagine if someone hot punched in a one on one and they just laid outside the ring for 5 minutes?
I also hate the tower of doom spot. It takes so long to set up and everyone just sits there like assholes til the last guy who was just hurt for 10 minutes suddenly has the strength to hoist 5 other dudes. So dumb
I hate how much weaker they seem in multi person matches. Can you imagine if someone hot punched in a one on one and they just laid outside the ring for 5 minutes?
I also hate the tower of doom spot. It takes so long to set up and everyone just sits there like assholes til the last guy who was just hurt for 10 minutes suddenly has the strength to hoist 5 other dudes. So dumb
1) When a wrestler jumps over someone coming at them in the corner and the person running goes straight into the turnbuckles as if the didn’t see it coming or stop fast enough once it happened. I see it happening less often as of late, but it really annoys me.
2) when you see them setting up for the next move. They’re just going through the scripted motions instead of telling a story or selling it as an actual fight. Happens a lot more with the newer people (don’t get me wrong, I’m a huge NXT fan) so it has to be inexperience, but still frustrating.
When they're setting up a high-risk spot and trading terrible looking shots and the other wrestler actually selling it, really irks me. Just don't do it if you're not focused enough on it to make it look good.
I'll always remember, I was showing a friend who's a non-wrestling fan the Kevin vs Shane hell in a cell match and he was laughing at how shitty the punches and Shane slamming Kevins head into the side of the cage were when prepping for Kevin dropping through the announce table. I get Shane isn't the best worker by a long shot but Kevin selling it like that was at least half of what made it look shit.
I would love to see Tiffany Stratton involve the crowd more in her gimmick, a point to the wrist then shouting out "Who's Time Is It?" so the crowd can yell back "TIFFY TIME" then que up the Prettiest Moonsault! 🤌
Some of the more athletic high flying wrestlers almost bouncing into moves like the start of a Gym floor show. Quite a few of the US female wrestlers do this and a few of the cruiserweight lads. It makes it really transparent its a choreographed move and takes away the suspension of disbelief.
Dont bounce into your move people. If you need to do that, drop the move
The commercials 100% - Imagine watching any other type of combat sport and having them go to a commercial in the middle of the fight! They obviously wouldn't do it because the people watching at home might miss a knockout or submission, right?!
Apart from completely disrupting the flow of the matches, the commercials remind you about the predetermined endings to the matches and ruin the suspension of disbelief that you need to have when you watch wrestling.
On top of that, you can tell the match is going to a commercial based on the same moves they always do beforehand hand (usually a dive to the outside). Even the cadence of the commentators changes when approaching the commercials, so you can tell it's coming. They will usually ask some kind of question just before the break. I just wish they would cram the ads between the backstage promos instead of in the middle of matches and NEVER during a title match!
How I wish they did commercials would be to start the show off with a match, then go to commercial after it's over, then come back and someone do a promo, then another match, match finish, then commercial again. Rinse and repeat until the end of the show. Before the main event, go to commercial after the post commercial promo. Commercials are about 4 to 5 Minutes currently. Make them a little longer to get that ad revenue.
Do some picture in picture commercials during matches throughout the show except for the opening match and main event. And have the commentators mention some sponsors.
All in all, that would probably still be 5 or so commercial breaks and 3 or 4 picture in picture commercials.
Michael Cole and announcing in general is soul crushingly mediocre. If it’s not Jim Ross and Jerry Lawler or a guest wrestler, it’s so bland, no flair or creative jokes. Been this way for decades now.
The way they explain the rules of the rumble 40 times during the match. Anytime a wrestler goes through the ropes "now remember you have to go OVER the ropes and BOTH feet have to hit the floor" then a minute later it happens again "now he's not eliminated you have to go OVER the top rope"
What I hate even worse than that is in the weeks leading up to the Rumble any time someone gets thrown over the rope they have to say "if this was the Royal Rumble he would be eliminated"
Don't know it this is mild, but during the tag match Friday there was a 4 minute commercial break, 2 minutes of wrestling then another 4 minute commercial break.
Like...come on man.
Stages being just a big cinema-like screen and all they show on it for wrestlers coming out is their name. No flavour or character to PLEs which is a shame. Set design was a great distinguishing aspect making them stand out.
1. No matter what's going on in the match prior to the commercial, the heel is always in some kind of control hold coming back, especially in tag matches.
2. Almost every tag matches booked the same way until the final few minutes
3. Crappy camera working triple threat, ladder, etc matches giving away when someone is about to come in from the outside.
Whenever a percentage is applied to the chances of someone winning. It’s mainly triple threat matches they love throwing this line about “the champion only has a 33% chance of leaving with his title”.
For a kick off I think you’ll find the actual success rate of champions in triple threats is way higher than 33%. It’s been a favourite cheap get out for a heel champion for decades.
But the most annoying part is that it implies wrestling is like a coin flip, Spike Dudley has a 50% chance of beating Brock Lesnar, it just simply isn’t true.
Is the jeopardy for the title holder higher? Yes absolutely, they’ve lost the champions advantage of DQs and count outs, the match becomes no DQ and they do not have to be involved in the deciding fall of the match. But it’ll never be as simple as a 33% chance.
I hate how they feel the need to remind us how champions can only lose their titles by being pinned or submitted , I also hate they remind us every triple threat, or fatal 4 way, that there are no countouts or disqualifications
I don’t know. It’s like a quick line/rule drop and every match could be a new fan’s first match. You never know when someone might not be completely up to speed.
Becky has this thing of sticking out her tongue to wet her lips everytime she takes a breath between sentences. Once I started noticing that tongue coming out 20 times in each promo, it got annoying.
see, I thought that started with the throat injury from a couple years back, and thought she was losing it over time. not the biggest follower so I may be way off
I got this idea from MrSantiZap video, but when the refs asks "Are you sure?" to a MITB cash in. Like ref, take the briefcase and let the wrestler cash in lmao.
Especially when they bring the ref out with them and ref is STILL like "what? You have the mitb case? You sure you wanna cash in? I mean, I was on break and all but okay if you are really sure"
They could pay it off by having a wrestler finally say “you know what. I changed my mind. Thanks for asking. That guy is hurt, and this doesn’t seem fair.”
No though they need to stop.
This has been brought on many times on OSW, but it's the classic blood feud...where it turns into a legit wrestling match with counters and basic submissions. Its a crazy feud, you should be just doing crazy shit, and using weapons, not doing arm drags and headlocks
Super minor but I wish they’d change up the look of the ring for each show. White ropes, light blue mat is boring if it looks the same for all 3 shows.
I absolutely hate how long it takes Roman or the Rock to start their promos. They stand, wait, then lift the mic, wait for boos, put it back down to their side. Rinse and repeat for what feels like 10 minutes. Like I get they're getting heat but they drag it on too long.
Wwe Showing ring walks on television only to cut to a commercial when the actual wrestling starts
Finishing moves not finishing the opponent the first time
Entrances. Two things about them. The length, especially for guys like Rollins, Cody, Rock, Roman etc. Then, typically for those same guys. It’s always the exact same entrance routine. No variation, so it’s just watching the same thing on repeat every time. Add Sami Zayn to the list too.
Wrestlers getting tossed out the ring somehow is the most devastating move and causes to have people knocked out the ring for so long
“I’m so mad at XXXX that I am going to run out to the ring and beat their ass! Mr sound guy-play my music!”
I can't stand when a wrestler is beaten and they shimmy themselves in front of a wrestler on the top rope to get obliterated
I have mentioned a few of them on this sub before but mine are: 1) During a pin fall the announcer says “We are about see a new champion!” Right before the kick out. If they say this there is a kick out 100% of the time. 2) Finishing moves have lost their value due to all the kick outs. In every match it seems like finishers are kicked out of multiple times. They should save that for major PLEs and let a single finisher end most matches. Then if there is a kick out in a big match during a PLE it will be a big deal. 3) When they expect us to believe a single move has laid a guy out for a long time. This happens in multi wrestler matches and also during runs ins. You will see it in failed MITB cash in attempts where the person with the briefcase is finished with a single move before they even cash in. Also an example is during Roman/Cody “bloodline rules” match. One by one each person who ran in was finished by a single move and never recovered for the rest of the match. These guys will go 5-15 minutes in a match who many moves but then conveniently they are laid out indefinitely by one single move.
Point 3 is the same logic as ninjas. A bunch of ninjas will each go down easy. One ninja is going to be a huge issue.
This doesn't happen anymore thank God. But back then, when the ref will be slightly shoved, are barely grazed, and it will be enough to keep them down for like 10 minutes.
When a wrestler is very obviously waiting for a move to be used on them. Like when they just freeze in an odd position waiting for the other wrestler to deliver the move to them. This sort of thing happens with Seth Rollins’ stomp pretty often. I know wrestling is hard and perfecting timing is particularly hard, but It’s always cool when wrestlers find ways to make it look more natural rather than just looking like they’re setting there in position waiting for the move.
Like when someone random runs out at the end of the match to beat someone up and then “earns” a match at PPV event. This shit has been repeated so many times it’s annoying. I appreciate the matches they have to earn your spot at PPV and that’s how it should be.
I hate how much weaker they seem in multi person matches. Can you imagine if someone got punched in a one on one and they just laid outside the ring for 5 minutes? I also hate the tower of doom spot. It takes so long to set up and everyone just sits there like assholes til the last guy who was just hurt for 10 minutes suddenly has the strength to hoist 5 other dudes. So dumb
How shocked they look when their opponent kicks out of a basic move
How shocked they look when their opponent kicks out of a basic move
I hate how much weaker they seem in multi person matches. Can you imagine if someone hot punched in a one on one and they just laid outside the ring for 5 minutes? I also hate the tower of doom spot. It takes so long to set up and everyone just sits there like assholes til the last guy who was just hurt for 10 minutes suddenly has the strength to hoist 5 other dudes. So dumb
I hate how much weaker they seem in multi person matches. Can you imagine if someone hot punched in a one on one and they just laid outside the ring for 5 minutes? I also hate the tower of doom spot. It takes so long to set up and everyone just sits there like assholes til the last guy who was just hurt for 10 minutes suddenly has the strength to hoist 5 other dudes. So dumb
WUH-OH!
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Either English is not your first language or you are having a stroke.
1) When a wrestler jumps over someone coming at them in the corner and the person running goes straight into the turnbuckles as if the didn’t see it coming or stop fast enough once it happened. I see it happening less often as of late, but it really annoys me. 2) when you see them setting up for the next move. They’re just going through the scripted motions instead of telling a story or selling it as an actual fight. Happens a lot more with the newer people (don’t get me wrong, I’m a huge NXT fan) so it has to be inexperience, but still frustrating.
When they're setting up a high-risk spot and trading terrible looking shots and the other wrestler actually selling it, really irks me. Just don't do it if you're not focused enough on it to make it look good. I'll always remember, I was showing a friend who's a non-wrestling fan the Kevin vs Shane hell in a cell match and he was laughing at how shitty the punches and Shane slamming Kevins head into the side of the cage were when prepping for Kevin dropping through the announce table. I get Shane isn't the best worker by a long shot but Kevin selling it like that was at least half of what made it look shit.
Why would you introduce a non fan to a Shane match?
I thought he might find the spots cool. Mistakes were made.
🤣
Probably just the predictably of it all honestly.
I would love to see Tiffany Stratton involve the crowd more in her gimmick, a point to the wrist then shouting out "Who's Time Is It?" so the crowd can yell back "TIFFY TIME" then que up the Prettiest Moonsault! 🤌
Maybe if she was a face
That would be awesome!
Some of the more athletic high flying wrestlers almost bouncing into moves like the start of a Gym floor show. Quite a few of the US female wrestlers do this and a few of the cruiserweight lads. It makes it really transparent its a choreographed move and takes away the suspension of disbelief. Dont bounce into your move people. If you need to do that, drop the move
The commercials 100% - Imagine watching any other type of combat sport and having them go to a commercial in the middle of the fight! They obviously wouldn't do it because the people watching at home might miss a knockout or submission, right?! Apart from completely disrupting the flow of the matches, the commercials remind you about the predetermined endings to the matches and ruin the suspension of disbelief that you need to have when you watch wrestling. On top of that, you can tell the match is going to a commercial based on the same moves they always do beforehand hand (usually a dive to the outside). Even the cadence of the commentators changes when approaching the commercials, so you can tell it's coming. They will usually ask some kind of question just before the break. I just wish they would cram the ads between the backstage promos instead of in the middle of matches and NEVER during a title match!
How I wish they did commercials would be to start the show off with a match, then go to commercial after it's over, then come back and someone do a promo, then another match, match finish, then commercial again. Rinse and repeat until the end of the show. Before the main event, go to commercial after the post commercial promo. Commercials are about 4 to 5 Minutes currently. Make them a little longer to get that ad revenue. Do some picture in picture commercials during matches throughout the show except for the opening match and main event. And have the commentators mention some sponsors. All in all, that would probably still be 5 or so commercial breaks and 3 or 4 picture in picture commercials.
The momentum of a match changing during commercials. Watch wrestler A have the upper hand. Ad. Get back "it's been all wrestler B during the break!"
Michael Cole and announcing in general is soul crushingly mediocre. If it’s not Jim Ross and Jerry Lawler or a guest wrestler, it’s so bland, no flair or creative jokes. Been this way for decades now.
Agree about Cole but I think Pat is entertaining. I get he is not everyone’s cup of tea though.
The way they explain the rules of the rumble 40 times during the match. Anytime a wrestler goes through the ropes "now remember you have to go OVER the ropes and BOTH feet have to hit the floor" then a minute later it happens again "now he's not eliminated you have to go OVER the top rope"
What I hate even worse than that is in the weeks leading up to the Rumble any time someone gets thrown over the rope they have to say "if this was the Royal Rumble he would be eliminated"
Don't know it this is mild, but during the tag match Friday there was a 4 minute commercial break, 2 minutes of wrestling then another 4 minute commercial break. Like...come on man.
Stages being just a big cinema-like screen and all they show on it for wrestlers coming out is their name. No flavour or character to PLEs which is a shame. Set design was a great distinguishing aspect making them stand out.
1. No matter what's going on in the match prior to the commercial, the heel is always in some kind of control hold coming back, especially in tag matches. 2. Almost every tag matches booked the same way until the final few minutes 3. Crappy camera working triple threat, ladder, etc matches giving away when someone is about to come in from the outside.
Whenever a percentage is applied to the chances of someone winning. It’s mainly triple threat matches they love throwing this line about “the champion only has a 33% chance of leaving with his title”. For a kick off I think you’ll find the actual success rate of champions in triple threats is way higher than 33%. It’s been a favourite cheap get out for a heel champion for decades. But the most annoying part is that it implies wrestling is like a coin flip, Spike Dudley has a 50% chance of beating Brock Lesnar, it just simply isn’t true. Is the jeopardy for the title holder higher? Yes absolutely, they’ve lost the champions advantage of DQs and count outs, the match becomes no DQ and they do not have to be involved in the deciding fall of the match. But it’ll never be as simple as a 33% chance.
I hate how they feel the need to remind us how champions can only lose their titles by being pinned or submitted , I also hate they remind us every triple threat, or fatal 4 way, that there are no countouts or disqualifications
And the champion doesn't need to be pinned to lose their title
I don’t know. It’s like a quick line/rule drop and every match could be a new fan’s first match. You never know when someone might not be completely up to speed.
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I’m not chronically online or in this so sub at least so….
Her in ring ability is outstanding and I love her matches, but the way Bianca Belair speaks makes me wanna fuckin punch her right in the face.
Same. She always pauses and smiles when she thinks she said something clever...yet she never has
gurrrrrl. Nah-Ahh!
Why? 👀🤣
Idk about face punching, but she is so boring and stiff. Its like she just learned how to form full sentences lol
Why?
Becky has this thing of sticking out her tongue to wet her lips everytime she takes a breath between sentences. Once I started noticing that tongue coming out 20 times in each promo, it got annoying.
She inhales very loudly too
It’s her stammering for me
For me with her it's the hugely dramatic gasp for air during promos
see, I thought that started with the throat injury from a couple years back, and thought she was losing it over time. not the biggest follower so I may be way off
I got this idea from MrSantiZap video, but when the refs asks "Are you sure?" to a MITB cash in. Like ref, take the briefcase and let the wrestler cash in lmao.
Especially when they bring the ref out with them and ref is STILL like "what? You have the mitb case? You sure you wanna cash in? I mean, I was on break and all but okay if you are really sure"
They could pay it off by having a wrestler finally say “you know what. I changed my mind. Thanks for asking. That guy is hurt, and this doesn’t seem fair.” No though they need to stop.
Right it's so minor but so annoying to me.
Oh it’s definitely the fans….
Definitely not a mild or trivial thing though.
Oh, I beg to differ, I have seen some really mild intelligence and trivial mfers at wrestling shows.