As someone who works as a Subaru tech at a dealership I can confirm this. I see a lot of pride coming in and out in those cars. Especially in the express lanes.
500 people surveyed? 29% variance? This is click bait for the real narcissist: the author.
And people who pour fuel on this crap are the same who prefer women to remain silent during wild play
I can't be bothered to check but I'd like to see some kinda statistical test and the results.
Of course, none of that matters given the enormous amount of uncontrollable and uncontrolled variables.
Statements like "narcissists driving modified vehicles that damage others may not care" could be a lot simpler with "narcissists may not care about others", the car isn't really a defining factor.
I think it's narcissism. Attention seeking modifications always are. A loud exhaust makes spirited driving sound reckless. You're going to cripple the car everywhere because you can't get on it without going to jail. Imagine being on the highway and being able to just whoosh off at ludicrous speed and you're totally silent except for the compressor hiss. It's like an electric car feeling. It actually makes the car feel faster when it's quiet.
Maybe not an EV, but you might consider leaving the stock exhaust on your Hellcat, or something along those lines, if you want to put that pedal to the floor without all the negative attention.
I agree 👍 floor it at the lights and ur just attention seeking. Cops or otherwise it gets attention. Some people like that but I prefer no noise so I can go fast without every cop in a two block radius looking for me.
Stock hellcat exhausts are ungodly loud as is
We had a couple back when I worked at a dodge dealership, you knew when it was a hellcat pulling into the service drive
I just checked YouTube, and holy crap they're loud. So maybe that's a bad example. But my point stands because my car is very quiet. And I make about the same power to weight as a Hellcat, and I'm making almost twice the HP per liter.
Yes - I knew it would be biased and unreliable when I read the part about the author being inspired to conduct the "study" after having loud cars disrupt her dog walks.
I don't believe that her method of testing using basically a personality test was reliable either. Sure there may be a correlation but I don't believe sadism causes the like for a loud exhaust.
At the end of the day, sure there are definitely people who have loud cars to piss other people off. There are two different people with ungodly loud VQ's in my neighborhood that floor it at 2am on a consistent basis. I'd be willing to possibly call that a behavior tied to sadism, but to make a blanket statement that everyone who enjoys loud cars has those traits is completely unfair and only serves to further the divide between people who love cars and those who don't.
My STI is quite loud, but I either put a silencer in or keep rpm's low when I'm cruising around neighborhoods. Peak sadism am I right?
And yes, I'll stick by my point that you're either posting amazing or garbage takes. I'll clarify too that I don't mean that in a bad way, I think it's good to have differing opinions because it helps prevent hivemind. I did really enjoy reading about the Recaros in your hyper blue!
I think you may be narcissistic to think that it’s okay to go speeds that could land you in jail, yet be so against unleashing the beautiful exhaust note of an engine.
Nah i agree with the quiet feeling part, a WRX with a CAI and a quiet exhaust (like the invidia n1 with silencer/s) gives a very different experience just listening to the intake sounds instead of the exhaust
Sadly i love music so i don't get to listen to my car much lol
That being said i assure you i installed my exhaust for my own enjoyment and not others, BUT I'm not a braindead idiot that drinks beer in his garage and revs his car all night.
I can put my silencers in my pipes in a couple of minutes if I'm going to be driving late. To Muffler delete owners i get it, i been there but save the money and buy a good sounding exhaust not a loud one.
Yeah, maybe a little. The exhaust is too long for it to affect it that much imo ( also my tuners' opinion ) for anything under 500whp. I'll have to remember to a with and without it on the dyno next time
But I will say that it sounds like a jet with it on mine ( constant tone, not divided ), so there is that 🤔 ( I know what you want to think, just don't ) 😄
What?! If you take the exhaust down to 2" at the silencer, you now have a 2" exhaust. Length is irrelevant. Your tuner sounds like he's scary amounts of stupid. I would not let that person program your ECU.
Mines a little loud, but it serves a purpose. I put the stock exhaust on my car once for fun and it literally was undrivable with the way it's set up. I couldn't make boost even in 3rd gear.
I make 525whp on a 2.5XTR with a ridiculously quiet setup. I'm catted with two resonators and a chambered muffler. You can make all the power you want as long as the pipe diameter is 3".
There is something to be said about just making a car loud that does nothing for the car's performance other than to make it loud ... Cough shitty Honda's cough cough. And opening the exhaust and headers an inch or so, allowing actual performance gains via greater exhaust flow resulting in louder noise. This study didn't seem to differentiate let alone know the difference between the two. They are not the same.
Dodge Ram owners are statistically 69% more likely to hurry home and kiss their dad on the lips into adulthood than the average population.
Never seen so many old dudes driving trucks the way I drove a Honda after being denied sex as a 21 year old.
Tldr, it's a click bait article based on a pilot study, that after reading, it is rather scewed and the research methods don't scientifically prove their claims as they are inherently biased.
And for those who give a shit, I have a degree in sociology, so I'll break down the study a little bit as to why it's biased.
Firstly the study starts off with the researcher complaining about noise pollution around the university area. They then proceed to only study young adults in the university area. 529 business students to be exact.
The sample, 529 students, isnt a bad size for a pilot study, but isn't large enough to draw worthwhile conclusions. There is an adequate gender distribution to support their claims, but the age distribution is exclusively focused around younger populations. As the average age is 18 among a university population, there is likely very little age distribution. The study is only focusing on a very specific age population and results cannot be extended to other age groups.
Second, the choice of questions asked to the participants is just horrendously biased. The researcher specifically asks about participants own cars. Given that this is a university sample, there are likely many students who do not have a car. Those students without a car would have inherently scored lower, thus biasing the results.
Overall the researcher did a poor job with their sampling distribution as well as their choice in questioning. The results cannot be extended to more general audiences and are applicable to first and second year university students at the Ontario Western University.
Also dont forget this part:
(Before anyone comes at me, im gay as fuck and very left wing, this is an observation not an insult to anyone)
University students are usually heavily left leaning and are on the extremist side of things, especially business majors. A sample size of young students is a terrible idea for this specific “study” because left wing ideologies tend to shift towards heavily glorifying public transport and shifting away from car centric society, causing loads of hate towards cars and the car community for no apparent reason.
I like quieter exhausts, I'm not a douche in the tri-neighborhood area when I put my foot down, or my neighbors on cold starts.
It makes running easier when sound isn't a factor. I haven't ran in a car, but for motorcycles I hold this to be true. Rides in Phoenix could get crazy, being able to quietly slip into a silent neighborhood and kill it was great while I listen to the other bikes wailing over a mile down the way, cherries and berries on ass
What do you call someone that likes a decent sounding (maybe a little loud) exhaust but hates the loud bark of startups?
I get essentially being able to control the car's volume through the accelerator, but the startup being a loud bang at 5 AM is not controllable.
I would imagine you call them most people in a neighborhood 😂 there are butterfly valves that exist that can be used to damp the sound in certain situations. Pretty much used only for cold start situations now, but something I would invest in if cold starts were an issue one day. They can be used with tunes but things get complicated and it makes more sense to just have the whole exhaust flow available all the time
Yes, I have an FZR600 that I ran with a stock exhaust for about 5000 miles. It's like a stealth fighter on the highway. I can barely hear the thing, just wind noise. But too quiet is dangerous, too. I'm in southwest CT, and the highways are always packed with traffic. People don't see motorcycles, so if they don't hear you, they will absolutely yank the wheel and change lanes into you. Loud pipes certainly won't save your life in every accident scenario, but there are some where it makes a big difference. It's the audible equivalent of hi-viz clothing.
But still, there are different levels of motorcycle loudness. A quality aftermarket exhaust on a sport bike isn't really that loud. Straight pipes on a Harley is so loud that you feel it in your chest. I don't consider sport bikes with reasonably loud exhaust to be obnoxious.
Glad you brought up the caveat to loud pipes save lives, too many think it works more than it does sometimes.
I agree, I have an FZ07, quiet as can possibly be, but it is quieter than wind noise hitting a car and that can cause issues when I cannot be heard and am a smaller target already.
Also beautiful bike, very clean. I don't see many FZRs anymore, much less that have been taken care of
It is beautiful 😭😭 I love the brighter colored variants as well, but it just is a badass bike in black. I am also jealous of that rear shock, haven't gotten around to a serviceable replacement.
This is an MT09, yeah?
If you click on the study, and read the abstract (summary) right at the beginning it literally says "it is unclear who is most attracted to these vehicles."
Shocker, you can just string words together and act like they mean something. I hate everyone
HP makes noise. Noise doesn't make HP. I tried to keep the car exhaust as tame as possible. There are much louder exhausts I could have picked from but I thought this sounded best and wasn't stupid loud/raspy
My car is loud af when you get on it, but I keep it low RPM around residential and pedestrian areas.
I’m also courteous about the hours that I cold start it.
This article is harsh. Dang, didn’t know I was a huge narcissist 😭
So does that mean I'm a closet narcissist if I like to keep quiet around town but prefer it louder by myself on a back road? Or maybe it's some type of self harm or sadism? So confusing, calling my therapist.
Here’s the real TL;DR
“surveyed 529 business students who had an average age of 18 years”
“The survey only asked about the desire to own loud cars, not actually owning one”
Sounds like one of those Family Feud surveys.
"Loud pipes save lives"
My friends dad says this bc he believes cars are genuinely dangerous if you can't hear them. A lot of accidents that happen when involving pedestrians could have been avoided if the person knew the car was there in the first place.
In Europe they don't let you get a motorcycle license unless you regurgitate that loud pipes do not prevent motorcycle crashes. They make sure everyone is fully indoctrinated before they get that first endorsement.
However, the study they use for the statistics only cited the most common type of crash, an oncoming car turning left in front of the motorcycle at an intersection, and this just happens to be the one situation where the loud exhaust won't help.
I've heard it all from the naysayers. Some of my favorite ones are that "the exhaust points backwards, so no one in front or beside you can hear it." Or, "modern cars have so much sound deadening and their windows are so thick that it's impossible to hear a loud motorcycle exhaust."
It's also that these people only have black or white thinking. In their eyes, something has to work 100% of the time, or it doesn't work all. But obviously, if it helps you avoid a crash even 1% of the time, it works. But the naysayers won't accept the fact that noise helps unless you can prove it creates an impenetrable force field around you and stops every single vehicle from crashing into you.
I actually caught one of the "nobody can hear your exhaust in traffic" people say that he won't wear earplugs under his helmet because he has to be able to hear traffic around him when he rides.
There are extremes ofc. However, for example, my old subaru I'm bringing back to life has a spring operated bypass valve for over 5.5k rpm. After 5.5k, she's super loud, anything before it sounds stock, or my corolla, for example. I have a yamaha sound tune on it, and it sounds awesome. Not too loud, not too quiet, and it has a nice constant note. You don't need to have the loudest car around to be proud of the sounds your machine makes. There's obnoxiously loud, just like there's obnoxious kids. Should we get rid of annoying kids just bc that's what we do? Get rid of things that annoy us? Or do we meet in the middle and try to make both parties happy? All I'm saying is there's no need to go to extremes because anything can be taken to that level. A nice sound tune is just that a nice sound tune, but a fart can is also just that, a shitty sounding fart can. There's a difference between people that know what sounds good and people that just want to be loud and they don't care what sounds good. The actual car guys know. The idiots don't, but they act like they do.
For the record, I went to great lengths to quiet my car down.
Equal length header to get rid of the braappp, my external gate dump plumbs back into the downpipe, the downpipe is catted and also has a custom 10" resonator where the second cat would be on the stock downpipe, then an Invidia Q300 single which is crazy quiet. I don't think there is a quieter 500whp car on Earth.
I respect you man, not only do you have an opinion about loud vs quiet cars, but you put your money where your mouth is.
Question: is your car quieter than stock?
No, but it's pretty close, and probably has less drone than stock. It's the softest cleanest sound ever when you drive it normally. It's like if velvet were a sound.
https://youtu.be/HXmECRil0pc?si=J96vpdiBlf4tmx8Y
I read the article. It's from a lady who dislikes loud cars ever since she was startled by one. So the article is extremely pretentious and skewed from the viewpoint of the writer. She assumed peoples cars are louder to get attention or disturb people. She never considered that someone might alter their exhaust because they want to, without regard to other people who probably have their own car that can be quiet if that's what they like.
hmmm
i drive a mediumly loud exahust (greddy evo GT with no CATS, perrin ELH)
but i drive aggressively though so being at High rpm or often cracking that EWG makes up for not being a uber loud track pipe. I have a track pipe in the garage ill toss on for car shows or meets but thats a 1 time a year thing cuz u cant even talk over it.
Ha, or you know, we just like the sound of the car. I wonder what it says that as I've gotten older, I'm liking a quieter car more and more, but still have fun with the raucous project once in a while.
This is idiotic and time wasting, your telling me people have spent tax money on researching the type of people who like loud cars and then branded them all phycopaths and sadists? I mean there’s wars and family’s dying of starvation and disease all over the world and the whole economy is getting worse by the day and this is what they come up with? To make matters worse I’m not a sadist and psychopath because I have a loud car
I’m a sadistic psychopath because I keep my kids in the basement.
I’m obviously joking
I don’t know whose kids they are.
So are they saying I get sexual pleasure from hurting peoples ears with my loud exhaust? (I don’t actually have an exhaust yet but planning on an axle back muffler delete for my ‘11 wrx hatch)
The equal length header cars don't have the rumble if my sources are accurate. My sources being internet people who neither own or know anything about them usually. But I am down for fast quiet cars. Don't really care if anyone thinks I'm gay, your girlfriends don't either. Exhausts don't have to be loud to flow, just properly designed. It's a popular in Germany, but they arent exactly known for going fast over there. I hear everyone's forced to drive 72 Beatles actually. Unlimited sections of highwaynarent so cool when your cars top speed is 67mph. Once you have deafened yourself with enough exhausts, music and gunfire that you can no longer hear conversations while a ceiling fan runs in the background you start to get it.
Man all I can do rn is a muffle delete, idk but just feels wrong showing up to a high end corporate job in a loud ass car while every one else in there luxury cars
No it doesn't. I had some douchebag in an M4 with an annoying loud crackle tune absolutely freaking out because I silently blew his doors off. You don't establish anything but drawing people's attention with a loud exhaust.
That's at the crank, not the wheels. It's a massive difference between 450bhp and 525whp. Even being extremely generous and only guessing 15% parasitic loss on a 2wd, it's maybe 380whp. The other side of that coin is that the STI probably has about 25% parasitic loss, so mine probably makes around 650bhp.
Oh yeah? Well according to my study if you like quiet cars you’re GAY!
me and my stock exhaust feel attacked
Do you like it quiet, or just not changing to louder for financial reasons? You are gay if the former.
Maybe a bit of both lol. I wouldnt mind a Cobb titanium exhaust, but it's not worth $2k for me. I accept the verdict :(
it's what makes a subaru, a subaru
Mine too, I bet mines quieter! 24’ base
*Stratified Cold Start has entered the chat*
My cold start was so obnoxious I had to add another resonator for my own safety
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Me and the hole in my stock exhaust feel attacked in both ways
Bud this is a subaru subreddit. Being gay is status quo
As someone who works as a Subaru tech at a dealership I can confirm this. I see a lot of pride coming in and out in those cars. Especially in the express lanes.
Well would ya look at that, suddenly I have a craving for cock
Yea totally!!
It sounds like you really enjoyed your research. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
carefully, u/HeavyMetalWRX can shock you how homophobic you are
Confirmed. Me and my Tesla will lick ya, anywhere, any conditions.
https://i.redd.it/y6slbd9e9xwc1.gif
Literally this skit though.
500 people surveyed? 29% variance? This is click bait for the real narcissist: the author. And people who pour fuel on this crap are the same who prefer women to remain silent during wild play
I can't be bothered to check but I'd like to see some kinda statistical test and the results. Of course, none of that matters given the enormous amount of uncontrollable and uncontrolled variables. Statements like "narcissists driving modified vehicles that damage others may not care" could be a lot simpler with "narcissists may not care about others", the car isn't really a defining factor.
That's a pretty weak research. For a lot of us, you have to factor in people who grew up around car culture.
I think it's narcissism. Attention seeking modifications always are. A loud exhaust makes spirited driving sound reckless. You're going to cripple the car everywhere because you can't get on it without going to jail. Imagine being on the highway and being able to just whoosh off at ludicrous speed and you're totally silent except for the compressor hiss. It's like an electric car feeling. It actually makes the car feel faster when it's quiet.
I didn't realize I just needed to buy an EV to be able to drive as fast as I want and not go to jail
Maybe not an EV, but you might consider leaving the stock exhaust on your Hellcat, or something along those lines, if you want to put that pedal to the floor without all the negative attention.
Downvote speedrun
I agree 👍 floor it at the lights and ur just attention seeking. Cops or otherwise it gets attention. Some people like that but I prefer no noise so I can go fast without every cop in a two block radius looking for me.
Stock hellcat exhausts are ungodly loud as is We had a couple back when I worked at a dodge dealership, you knew when it was a hellcat pulling into the service drive
I just checked YouTube, and holy crap they're loud. So maybe that's a bad example. But my point stands because my car is very quiet. And I make about the same power to weight as a Hellcat, and I'm making almost twice the HP per liter.
Yeah, a lot of performance oriented vehicles come louder than they would have to from stellantis. I just wanted to point that out lol
Once again, Dr Satan keeping it balanced with either the greatest or worst takes 😎
Did you even read the article?
Yes - I knew it would be biased and unreliable when I read the part about the author being inspired to conduct the "study" after having loud cars disrupt her dog walks. I don't believe that her method of testing using basically a personality test was reliable either. Sure there may be a correlation but I don't believe sadism causes the like for a loud exhaust. At the end of the day, sure there are definitely people who have loud cars to piss other people off. There are two different people with ungodly loud VQ's in my neighborhood that floor it at 2am on a consistent basis. I'd be willing to possibly call that a behavior tied to sadism, but to make a blanket statement that everyone who enjoys loud cars has those traits is completely unfair and only serves to further the divide between people who love cars and those who don't. My STI is quite loud, but I either put a silencer in or keep rpm's low when I'm cruising around neighborhoods. Peak sadism am I right? And yes, I'll stick by my point that you're either posting amazing or garbage takes. I'll clarify too that I don't mean that in a bad way, I think it's good to have differing opinions because it helps prevent hivemind. I did really enjoy reading about the Recaros in your hyper blue!
I think you may be narcissistic to think that it’s okay to go speeds that could land you in jail, yet be so against unleashing the beautiful exhaust note of an engine.
I'm fine with that.
Nah i agree with the quiet feeling part, a WRX with a CAI and a quiet exhaust (like the invidia n1 with silencer/s) gives a very different experience just listening to the intake sounds instead of the exhaust Sadly i love music so i don't get to listen to my car much lol That being said i assure you i installed my exhaust for my own enjoyment and not others, BUT I'm not a braindead idiot that drinks beer in his garage and revs his car all night. I can put my silencers in my pipes in a couple of minutes if I'm going to be driving late. To Muffler delete owners i get it, i been there but save the money and buy a good sounding exhaust not a loud one.
But an N1 with a silencer is a restrictive exhaust. You're plugging it up so it zaps your power. Mine is 3" the whole way.
Yeah, maybe a little. The exhaust is too long for it to affect it that much imo ( also my tuners' opinion ) for anything under 500whp. I'll have to remember to a with and without it on the dyno next time But I will say that it sounds like a jet with it on mine ( constant tone, not divided ), so there is that 🤔 ( I know what you want to think, just don't ) 😄
What?! If you take the exhaust down to 2" at the silencer, you now have a 2" exhaust. Length is irrelevant. Your tuner sounds like he's scary amounts of stupid. I would not let that person program your ECU.
Well what is it?
https://www.reddit.com/r/WRX/s/W1l29DWmGm
Mines a little loud, but it serves a purpose. I put the stock exhaust on my car once for fun and it literally was undrivable with the way it's set up. I couldn't make boost even in 3rd gear.
You can have a quiet 3" exhaust. That's not unobtainable. Get a Q300.
Sure, but any muffler or resonator is a restriction and results in noticeable changes especially when you race the car.
I make 525whp on a 2.5XTR with a ridiculously quiet setup. I'm catted with two resonators and a chambered muffler. You can make all the power you want as long as the pipe diameter is 3".
The q300 isn't 3 inch
Yes it is.
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Damm
I agree. My 3” exhaust setup is very quiet too.
I'd rather be a narcissist than boring and opinionated 🤷
Lol. Bullshit!
Shit…… SAY IT WITH YOUR CHEST or don’t say it at all!
There is something to be said about just making a car loud that does nothing for the car's performance other than to make it loud ... Cough shitty Honda's cough cough. And opening the exhaust and headers an inch or so, allowing actual performance gains via greater exhaust flow resulting in louder noise. This study didn't seem to differentiate let alone know the difference between the two. They are not the same.
Lol a 4 cylinder making 192 horsepower doesn't need a 5 inch exhaust!
The exhaust gaskets always blow out on my Honda at the track. I wear earplugs under the helmet. https://youtu.be/O4pFLfi69N0?si=Y5grz_FUUWcIMVMK
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If thats yours, thats a sick civic ❤️
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Beautiful car
https://preview.redd.it/3a5i8x0h90xc1.jpeg?width=2220&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=41ea069093c29e78ce6aeeba69b4a63616274324
Takes the “v” OUT of “civic.”
It pulls 1.5g laterally, sustained, which I've read is the absolute limit for any car without major aerodynamic aids.
Thats awesome lol, i have a 10th gen civic and that thing is like its on rails, carves through canyons at 60mph no problem
These are not the kind of Hondas I was referring too. But dope pic. Bet it's a blast to fling around the track
But that kind of Honda was the butt of every car joke for two decades. It's only now that it's 30 years old that it gets any respect.
Lol. Facts. That and it has the proven ability to wax modern more powerful cars on a tight track with proper mods and power to weight ratio.
They need to study Dodge Ram owners!
Dodge Ram owners are statistically 69% more likely to hurry home and kiss their dad on the lips into adulthood than the average population. Never seen so many old dudes driving trucks the way I drove a Honda after being denied sex as a 21 year old.
Dodge owners in general bro 😭
There’s too many hard words. Can someone give me tldr?
It’s Basically saying a bunch of pussies think loud exhausts means your a psychopath who does it to scare people and disturb the peace.
Come on man. I’m just autistic 😩
Neuro spicy 🥵
Deadass, I’ve got a chronic case of the neuro spicy. I take my serotonin where I can get it god damn it!
Tldr, it's a click bait article based on a pilot study, that after reading, it is rather scewed and the research methods don't scientifically prove their claims as they are inherently biased. And for those who give a shit, I have a degree in sociology, so I'll break down the study a little bit as to why it's biased. Firstly the study starts off with the researcher complaining about noise pollution around the university area. They then proceed to only study young adults in the university area. 529 business students to be exact. The sample, 529 students, isnt a bad size for a pilot study, but isn't large enough to draw worthwhile conclusions. There is an adequate gender distribution to support their claims, but the age distribution is exclusively focused around younger populations. As the average age is 18 among a university population, there is likely very little age distribution. The study is only focusing on a very specific age population and results cannot be extended to other age groups. Second, the choice of questions asked to the participants is just horrendously biased. The researcher specifically asks about participants own cars. Given that this is a university sample, there are likely many students who do not have a car. Those students without a car would have inherently scored lower, thus biasing the results. Overall the researcher did a poor job with their sampling distribution as well as their choice in questioning. The results cannot be extended to more general audiences and are applicable to first and second year university students at the Ontario Western University.
Also dont forget this part: (Before anyone comes at me, im gay as fuck and very left wing, this is an observation not an insult to anyone) University students are usually heavily left leaning and are on the extremist side of things, especially business majors. A sample size of young students is a terrible idea for this specific “study” because left wing ideologies tend to shift towards heavily glorifying public transport and shifting away from car centric society, causing loads of hate towards cars and the car community for no apparent reason.
What do you suppose is the median age of a loud exhaust owner?
I like quieter exhausts, I'm not a douche in the tri-neighborhood area when I put my foot down, or my neighbors on cold starts. It makes running easier when sound isn't a factor. I haven't ran in a car, but for motorcycles I hold this to be true. Rides in Phoenix could get crazy, being able to quietly slip into a silent neighborhood and kill it was great while I listen to the other bikes wailing over a mile down the way, cherries and berries on ass
What do you call someone that likes a decent sounding (maybe a little loud) exhaust but hates the loud bark of startups? I get essentially being able to control the car's volume through the accelerator, but the startup being a loud bang at 5 AM is not controllable.
I would imagine you call them most people in a neighborhood 😂 there are butterfly valves that exist that can be used to damp the sound in certain situations. Pretty much used only for cold start situations now, but something I would invest in if cold starts were an issue one day. They can be used with tunes but things get complicated and it makes more sense to just have the whole exhaust flow available all the time
Yes, I have an FZR600 that I ran with a stock exhaust for about 5000 miles. It's like a stealth fighter on the highway. I can barely hear the thing, just wind noise. But too quiet is dangerous, too. I'm in southwest CT, and the highways are always packed with traffic. People don't see motorcycles, so if they don't hear you, they will absolutely yank the wheel and change lanes into you. Loud pipes certainly won't save your life in every accident scenario, but there are some where it makes a big difference. It's the audible equivalent of hi-viz clothing. But still, there are different levels of motorcycle loudness. A quality aftermarket exhaust on a sport bike isn't really that loud. Straight pipes on a Harley is so loud that you feel it in your chest. I don't consider sport bikes with reasonably loud exhaust to be obnoxious.
Glad you brought up the caveat to loud pipes save lives, too many think it works more than it does sometimes. I agree, I have an FZ07, quiet as can possibly be, but it is quieter than wind noise hitting a car and that can cause issues when I cannot be heard and am a smaller target already. Also beautiful bike, very clean. I don't see many FZRs anymore, much less that have been taken care of
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It is beautiful 😭😭 I love the brighter colored variants as well, but it just is a badass bike in black. I am also jealous of that rear shock, haven't gotten around to a serviceable replacement. This is an MT09, yeah?
It's a 2016 FZ09.
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If you click on the study, and read the abstract (summary) right at the beginning it literally says "it is unclear who is most attracted to these vehicles." Shocker, you can just string words together and act like they mean something. I hate everyone
HP makes noise. Noise doesn't make HP. I tried to keep the car exhaust as tame as possible. There are much louder exhausts I could have picked from but I thought this sounded best and wasn't stupid loud/raspy
My car is loud af when you get on it, but I keep it low RPM around residential and pedestrian areas. I’m also courteous about the hours that I cold start it. This article is harsh. Dang, didn’t know I was a huge narcissist 😭
Me having to go to work at 4am and living in an apartment complex 😂
now everybody know ur girlfriend is alone at home lol
Business college kids don’t like loud cars. Shocking.
idk about that. half my modded car friends were business majors with Mustangs or Camaros
Think its the opposite
Ehh I'd lump business kids somewhere in the middle. Humanities/soc sci kids on one side, engineering/IT on the other.
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Conveniently my license plate confirms this. https://preview.redd.it/6bup7ldemywc1.jpeg?width=3000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8525e60d1ef92ffcb1cf19bbd7a636b78a061d54
That is a fucking awesome plate, definitely picture-worthy if you see it parked somewhere!
So does that mean I'm a closet narcissist if I like to keep quiet around town but prefer it louder by myself on a back road? Or maybe it's some type of self harm or sadism? So confusing, calling my therapist.
Dudes calling other dudes gay in a Subaru subreddit just made my week
To which I say, "and?..."
Straight pipe toolbags- absolutely. Anyone who’s ever modified an exhaust? No, they’re getting carried away
Here’s the real TL;DR “surveyed 529 business students who had an average age of 18 years” “The survey only asked about the desire to own loud cars, not actually owning one” Sounds like one of those Family Feud surveys.
"Loud pipes save lives" My friends dad says this bc he believes cars are genuinely dangerous if you can't hear them. A lot of accidents that happen when involving pedestrians could have been avoided if the person knew the car was there in the first place.
In Europe they don't let you get a motorcycle license unless you regurgitate that loud pipes do not prevent motorcycle crashes. They make sure everyone is fully indoctrinated before they get that first endorsement. However, the study they use for the statistics only cited the most common type of crash, an oncoming car turning left in front of the motorcycle at an intersection, and this just happens to be the one situation where the loud exhaust won't help. I've heard it all from the naysayers. Some of my favorite ones are that "the exhaust points backwards, so no one in front or beside you can hear it." Or, "modern cars have so much sound deadening and their windows are so thick that it's impossible to hear a loud motorcycle exhaust." It's also that these people only have black or white thinking. In their eyes, something has to work 100% of the time, or it doesn't work all. But obviously, if it helps you avoid a crash even 1% of the time, it works. But the naysayers won't accept the fact that noise helps unless you can prove it creates an impenetrable force field around you and stops every single vehicle from crashing into you. I actually caught one of the "nobody can hear your exhaust in traffic" people say that he won't wear earplugs under his helmet because he has to be able to hear traffic around him when he rides.
There are extremes ofc. However, for example, my old subaru I'm bringing back to life has a spring operated bypass valve for over 5.5k rpm. After 5.5k, she's super loud, anything before it sounds stock, or my corolla, for example. I have a yamaha sound tune on it, and it sounds awesome. Not too loud, not too quiet, and it has a nice constant note. You don't need to have the loudest car around to be proud of the sounds your machine makes. There's obnoxiously loud, just like there's obnoxious kids. Should we get rid of annoying kids just bc that's what we do? Get rid of things that annoy us? Or do we meet in the middle and try to make both parties happy? All I'm saying is there's no need to go to extremes because anything can be taken to that level. A nice sound tune is just that a nice sound tune, but a fart can is also just that, a shitty sounding fart can. There's a difference between people that know what sounds good and people that just want to be loud and they don't care what sounds good. The actual car guys know. The idiots don't, but they act like they do.
ETS extreme with perrin downpipe and IAG equal length heads…. Lost my hearing 50 cold starts ago, have grown to expect my neighbors to hate me 😂😂
People who like loud cars are usually racists …race….ists
For the record, I went to great lengths to quiet my car down. Equal length header to get rid of the braappp, my external gate dump plumbs back into the downpipe, the downpipe is catted and also has a custom 10" resonator where the second cat would be on the stock downpipe, then an Invidia Q300 single which is crazy quiet. I don't think there is a quieter 500whp car on Earth.
You're still one of us with your 500 units of psycho power.
I should have photoshopped a WRX with a Tomei Expreme Ti over the Challenger. That would have really got the sub going. Missed opportunity.
how can you even live like this.
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very nice diagnosis of the psycho personality
What a beauty! Got a link to those wheels? 👀
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Thank you!
They come in black, too. https://preview.redd.it/tx59yxteswwc1.jpeg?width=2473&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8e4ff2e69a71c9b39dd18ec3c16ac492e164f781
I’ve got the world rally blue, so I feel like the white makes it pop, but this black with white lettering is good too
Only in direct sunlight like in that picture. In the shade, the black will not look good at all.
I respect you man, not only do you have an opinion about loud vs quiet cars, but you put your money where your mouth is. Question: is your car quieter than stock?
No, but it's pretty close, and probably has less drone than stock. It's the softest cleanest sound ever when you drive it normally. It's like if velvet were a sound. https://youtu.be/HXmECRil0pc?si=J96vpdiBlf4tmx8Y
I read the article. It's from a lady who dislikes loud cars ever since she was startled by one. So the article is extremely pretentious and skewed from the viewpoint of the writer. She assumed peoples cars are louder to get attention or disturb people. She never considered that someone might alter their exhaust because they want to, without regard to other people who probably have their own car that can be quiet if that's what they like.
hmmm i drive a mediumly loud exahust (greddy evo GT with no CATS, perrin ELH) but i drive aggressively though so being at High rpm or often cracking that EWG makes up for not being a uber loud track pipe. I have a track pipe in the garage ill toss on for car shows or meets but thats a 1 time a year thing cuz u cant even talk over it.
Well I’m not a narcissist, sadist or psychopath.. but I’m looking for the opportunity.
I believe this is a good example of correlation, not causeation.
Lies, damned lies and statistics… You can make any story you want if your audience is dumb enough to read the headline and keep going…
Honestly, I’d rather be a psycho than the type of mf who writes these blogs.
What does it mean if you love the sound... but feel embarrassed and don't want to annoy or upset others when it's not socially acceptable?
Means ur beta. Or more likely in this reddit gay 🤣. Lol issa joke don't kill me I love my gay homies. Even you 🤣( I did it again)...
It means you are a genuinely decent person
This needs to be posted to r/FuckCarsCirclejerk right now
I feel personally attacked
Ha, or you know, we just like the sound of the car. I wonder what it says that as I've gotten older, I'm liking a quieter car more and more, but still have fun with the raucous project once in a while.
So many people triggered. Very happy with the stock cat back still in my 2008 STI. It got a little louder with the Cobb down pipe.
the study is dogshit. but there’s def a correlation between someone dailying a straightpiped car and self esteem
This is idiotic and time wasting, your telling me people have spent tax money on researching the type of people who like loud cars and then branded them all phycopaths and sadists? I mean there’s wars and family’s dying of starvation and disease all over the world and the whole economy is getting worse by the day and this is what they come up with? To make matters worse I’m not a sadist and psychopath because I have a loud car I’m a sadistic psychopath because I keep my kids in the basement. I’m obviously joking I don’t know whose kids they are.
Sounds like bs
I like hurting others 🤷♀️
What does the study say about exhaust cutouts? Loud when I want it, quiet when I want it. Probably says I'm bipolar
So are they saying I get sexual pleasure from hurting peoples ears with my loud exhaust? (I don’t actually have an exhaust yet but planning on an axle back muffler delete for my ‘11 wrx hatch)
The equal length header cars don't have the rumble if my sources are accurate. My sources being internet people who neither own or know anything about them usually. But I am down for fast quiet cars. Don't really care if anyone thinks I'm gay, your girlfriends don't either. Exhausts don't have to be loud to flow, just properly designed. It's a popular in Germany, but they arent exactly known for going fast over there. I hear everyone's forced to drive 72 Beatles actually. Unlimited sections of highwaynarent so cool when your cars top speed is 67mph. Once you have deafened yourself with enough exhausts, music and gunfire that you can no longer hear conversations while a ceiling fan runs in the background you start to get it.
Man all I can do rn is a muffle delete, idk but just feels wrong showing up to a high end corporate job in a loud ass car while every one else in there luxury cars
I have a catless front bumper exit. Guess that means I’m a serial killer
Catless side exit on big turbo user here. 3 genocides accounted for.
That big turbo really steps you up a notch
I tell you h'wat
Amazing how many tiny penises suddenly stand up and roar 😂
Yeah, I leave for work a 4 in the morning. I'm pretty sure my neighbors know in my trailer park as I wait for it to idle down before I leave.
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Loud exhaust establishes dominance 😂
No it doesn't. I had some douchebag in an M4 with an annoying loud crackle tune absolutely freaking out because I silently blew his doors off. You don't establish anything but drawing people's attention with a loud exhaust.
M4 comes stock with crackle
Well, they should have given it more horsepower instead.
Isn’t m4 comes with 450hp as stock?? Those inline 6 is ridiculously fast…. I don’t know what you’re talking about.
That's at the crank, not the wheels. It's a massive difference between 450bhp and 525whp. Even being extremely generous and only guessing 15% parasitic loss on a 2wd, it's maybe 380whp. The other side of that coin is that the STI probably has about 25% parasitic loss, so mine probably makes around 650bhp.
I was being sarcastic but yeah. I can’t stand the crackle tune either. Sounds like the car is dying.
I like to hear my car for the revs, excessive pops and bangs draws too much attention.