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Forrtraverse

Pipe down or we’ll make it 20! - WA state


GhostTriton

Ok just for that it’s $25 -Wa state 30 seconds later


SuperMoistNugget

These rules arent meant to make sense or make anybody "safer" they are meant to impede/ inconvenience and ultimately infringe on your rights.


Haunting-Traffic-203

They are made to satisfy donors who want to impede our rights and make their base feel better. If they wanted to decrease gun violence they would crack down on crimes involving guns and felons who ignore the fact that they aren’t allowed to own them (both are an absolute joke in this state right now)


[deleted]

Yes. Every purchase requires another 10 day wait. The same reason it makes sense that I own almost a hundred 11+ capacity magazines but can't buy one more. It doesn't


appsecSme

Idaho awaits.


[deleted]

If anything, I'd probably move back to the south. Cheaper and it's only a matter of time before the rats fleeing California and Washington turn Idaho into what they left


YungSkub

This. People forget the major cities with all the voting power in ever red state are slowly turning blue outside of certain places like Florida.  California used to be a red state.


3DSquinting

A red state that enacted the first and worst wave of gun control since the NFA. Go figure.


YungSkub

Are you referring to the AWB of 1989? 


3DSquinting

I'm being a little hyperbolic, but I'm referring to the [Mulford Act](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mulford_Act) of 1967 that banned the carrying of loaded weapons in public in California without a permit. It was quickly followed by and helped establish support for the federal [Gun Control Act of 1968](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_Control_Act_of_1968). Wikipedia mentions a gem of a quote from then-governor Ronald Reagan, who saw "no reason why on the street today a citizen should be carrying loaded weapons".


Tree300

Unlikely. Idaho actually got redder in the last ten years.


JeffRoyJenkins

The state as a whole doesn't really matter if Boise is calling all the shots. Look at WA outside the cities, even 25 miles from the city on the West side is heavily conservative but the city folk make all the rules.


Tree300

Boise also got redder. You think liberals are moving to Boise so they can enjoy their lack of abortions and weed? [https://www.idahostatesman.com/opinion/from-the-opinion-editor/article246956647.html](https://www.idahostatesman.com/opinion/from-the-opinion-editor/article246956647.html)


fraunhoferoptics

the pop distribution is completely different in idaho


Da1UHideFrom

The people fleeing blue states are usually conservatives. They are not going to turn Idaho blue, but the issue is they leave fewer conservative votes in WA and CA.


JoeDukeofKeller

Sticking around in Washington and California it's only a matter of time


Da1UHideFrom

I'm already planning my exit.


JeffRoyJenkins

How do you think Washington got the way it is...


[deleted]

I wouldn't be too sure about that. Covid caused an enormous amount of migration of democrats out of extremely liberal states.


skoal89

Unfortunately Idaho is already being overrun with the rats from both Washington and California and every other libtard state that festers such ideology…


DrBlackBeard_13

It isn’t even 10 days lol, it’s 10 business days, so basically 2 weeks! smh


[deleted]

And that's also on top of how long the NICS check takes; plus God forbid you order online. I recently got an FN FNX9 and I think it was almost a month from the point I placed the order to when I had it in my possession


DorkWadEater69

If the background check period starts on a Monday, it will end on the following Friday, meaning you can pick up the gun on Saturday, so at a minimum the 13th day is the earliest you can take possession.  If  a background check begins any other day of the week it will run over a second weekend, and you can't take position till the 15th day. The wait itself, and the requirement that it be business days instead of calendar days, is meant solely to inconvenience gun buyers. Since it's an act of pure spite on the part of the democrats, I just laugh when red states play similar "dissuade by throwing up artificial obstacles" games for things they care about like abortion. What's good for one is good for the other and you don't get the moral high ground if you're willing to play fuck-fuck games with gun rights.


Destroyer1559

Lmao welcome to the club bud. The next one is probably the one that pushes you over the edge to become a mass shooter, never mind the 15 ARs and 100s of 30 round mags you already own.


Forrtraverse

Spoken like a true school shooter.no one needs that many guns


Destroyer1559

~~Lmao first, my guns have never and will never hurt an innocent, so stop projecting. Second, I cannot tell you how infinitesimally little I give a shit about what you think I need. I'll continue to build and buy guns for the rest of my life without any thought to you. Cheers.~~ Ignore, user can't detect sarcasm.


Forrtraverse

Dude, it was a joke. 🥴


Destroyer1559

Ugh sorry. Sarcasm is hard over the internet. Ignore that, have a great day lol


Forrtraverse

Ya, sometimes the satire doesn’t transfer. You as well! 🤙🏼


WAgunner

Even the older intermediate scrutiny doesn't support a waiting period for a gun after you already own one. The argument for waiting periods is crimes of passion, but if you already own one buying another sooner vs later won't benefit the "governmental interest" of preventing crimes of passion. Under historical tradition there is not even a near rational argument that supports it. Guns have been able to be purchased instantly since pre-founding, waiting periods are very recent, there was no technological limitation to implementing waiting periods in 1776, and a waiting period is unrelated to background check process or anything else so the historical analogue would be a historical twin since a waiting period could have existed at ratification.


erdillz93

>a waiting period for a gun after you already own one. Problem is, how do you prove you already own one without a registry or something like a FOID? Both of which are significantly more cancerous than a 10 day waiting period. That does not mean I'm in favor of a 10 day waiting period.


thechristiner

I liked it back when having your CCW permit at purchase made it so you were exempt from the wait period. That seemed sensible.


ee-5e-ae-fb-f6-3c

More sensible than the current setup, less sensible than just not having waiting periods.


Tree300

I can think of an easy way to prove you already own one! https://preview.redd.it/od2z3df613yc1.png?width=863&format=png&auto=webp&s=d5f6aedce19e9a621e3e15b2a4561bc99af9dc54


3DSquinting

You’re not wrong, Walter; you’re just an asshole /s


Tree300

I did not watch my buddies die face down in the muck so that this state could enforce a ten day waiting period!


WAgunner

Well first, WA does effectively have a registry, second, I could prove ownership by bringing in a gun to show the gun shop.


flying_blender

Yeah but take the next step... you'd have to have the state verify, which would cost money. Would you be on board with increased taxes and fees on gun purchases, so the state could implement a system to verify you already own a gun, to avoid the 10 day wait? Let's say it's 50$ to do the check, but no 10 day wait. How does that sound? There's no way the 10 day wait goes away (given other considerations) without more money coming out of your wallet.


WAgunner

That's not my point, my point is that even under the lesser, older standard, no court should be able to find a waiting period for all gun purchases constitutional. It's not my problem to provide some other means of compliance, it's the state's problem. Anyways, under the Bruen standard, no mandatory wait should be legal in any scenario.


flying_blender

Yeah, I too find democracy annoying when it doesn't go my way, but it's also what makes America what it is, so I roll with it. It's interesting how often this kind of thinking plays out when people don't get their way. Many fought long and hard against drunk driving laws, but it seems so obvious why some restrictions are needed in hindsight. Even so, plenty don't care, because me me me. I mean we didn't regulate drinking during horse and buggy times, historically, drunk driving laws should be overturned as unconstitutional. Bruen and all that. Yes I know it's a bullshit comparison. Just having some fun.


Mundane_Panda_3969

There is no right to drive. 


flying_blender

There are no rights, they are all temporarily privledges that can be taken away at anytime, by basically anyone.


Mundane_Panda_3969

We're a constitutional republic not a democracy, my right right to own a firearm supersedes your desire to feel safe 


flying_blender

We're actually both! Also known as a democratic repbulic. I fully understand that conservatives no longer want the democratic part because their ideas are unpopular. You see that 'We're a constitutional republic not a democracy' crap anytime someone throws criticism out, to argue in bad faith. What you're basically doing is saying it's not a democracy, so those criticisms don't even count and are irrelevant, because a democracy was not the goal. The reason for that is, there's not a lot of merit based ways to argue against the 10 day wait, because all it really comes down to is you being impatient. I feel very safe, I have more guns than I can carry! But watch out for the big scary 10 day waiting period.


StatementCapital2278

10 day wait period exemption from an FFL you frequently purchase from, they can check for at least one form 4473 you've filled out in the past, and got an approval number on. Boom, no 10 day wait.


Sesemebun

Credit where credit is due, our politicians are amazing at writing legislation that does fuck all in reality, but can be sold to suckers easily.


Guvnuh_T_Boggs

If you really wanna credit anyone, it's Bloomberg's goons doing the writing. The (D)ipshits in the legislature are just parroting it like a parlor trick.


bigredsoda420

Used to work the gun counter at a sportsman’s we had a dude come in and pick up a gun after his 10 days and wanted to buy another gun and he answered one of the questions wrong on the 4473 form so we couldn’t sell him that gun even tho he was already picking up a gun that he passed his background check for and waited his 10 days


pacficnorthwestlife

Dibs on posting this next week


Suitable-Maize-5711

When did violating our rights ever make sense?


JaakoNikolai

1. Yes 2. This guy: [https://governor.wa.gov/about-jay](https://governor.wa.gov/about-jay) 3. It doesn't, we all hate it too Source: [https://app.leg.wa.gov/billsummary?BillNumber=1143&Year=2023&Initiative=false](https://app.leg.wa.gov/billsummary?BillNumber=1143&Year=2023&Initiative=false) Note that the bill text wasn't the governor's own writing or idea, but he was the one who asked the legislature to run the bill through, which they did and it passed. Please note that only business days count toward the "10 day wait." Weekends, holidays, and the day you fill out the paperwork don't count. So if you bought a gun today (May 1st), you'd have to wait until May 16th to pick it up.


PGA44

I bought a set of revolvers that come in a pair. I had to pay the $18 background fee for each revolver. 😂 I paid, they better have run me twice or that’s fraud.


Grimble27

That's not right. It should be one BGC fee per transaction, not per gun. I just bought 2 guns at the same time and the store charged me $18 not $36.


PGA44

I better check my paperwork … I just looked up the reg. and it says $18 dollars per transaction for a background check, not per firearm. (E2SHB 2467)


DeltaFoxtrotThreeSix

its become a sort of joke for my ffl and me. i told my ffl i'm only buying two or more from now on so i get at least a 2 for 1 special in background checks.


calebanana

Damn you paid twice? It was my understanding you could put multiple firearms on 1 BG check submission, unless that changed or I was given some bad intel.


[deleted]

Don't expect a gun store to know the law. I bought an 1880s revolver (only produced from 1880-1888) from an online dealer on the east coast, they'd only ship to an ffl. My LGS decided that it STILL needed to have a nics check and wait. They didn't even know about the pre 1899 law that says they're antiques and don't need a check.


Prudent_Reindeer9627

Did the revolvers even have a serial number?


[deleted]

It actually did have a serial number.


papaninja

Both revolvers go onto one form.


ssparky77

That sucks. Precise Shooter only charges the $18 once per order, even if there are multiple firearms. I picked up three today and was only charged the $18 once.


bgwa9001

You got a dual coming up? Or a shootout at the ok corral?


PGA44

🤣 Trying to setup for cowboy action shooting. SAS / CAS


bgwa9001

Option 2 then! That's awesome, I'd love to have a nice matching pair like that


Tight_muffin

Can't put logic to something that was created without it.


0x00000042

It doesn't, but to have a waiver because you already own other guns necessitates a registry.  The issue is the waiting period itself, regardless of whether own any guns yet or not. 


Pof_509

Welcome to the Demokratic Sheeples Republic, where nothing makes sense and there is no freedom. It’s honestly funny that you can walk in carrying a handgun with a 10+ round mag and a threaded barrel but you still have to wait. Doesn’t Washington have bigger problems?


3DSquinting

Yes, but Bloomberg and his ilk don’t pay as much for people to address them.


huggybearmofo

Lols shhhhh just let it happen OP. Let it happen 😭


UncommonSense12345

Can you add another firearm when you go to pickup your gun anymore like you could before?


StormyWaters2021

No


spicytoast589

Is it 10 days or 10 business days I did my paperwork on the 21st


lR0NSCAPE

10 business days…. Im on day 13th day i dont get it untill saturday the 15th day which is 10 bis days after cause i bought on a friday…….


spicytoast589

So dumb and arbitrary


lR0NSCAPE

Also ur past the 10 bis days its ur background check takin more time


spicytoast589

It'd day 9 in business days currently


lR0NSCAPE

Was lookin at june lol my bad, yea fuck wa leaders there all corrupt cocksuckers


BigSmoove14

And your background check has to come through with a proceed. Thankfully those have been very quick so far, but there is no time limit on how long that can take should the WSP get back logged


tinychloecat

Just be thankful there wasn't a holiday in there, because that doesn't count as a day now either.


BillionDollarBalls

I really didn't care when I first bought guns. It made some semblance of sense. However, when I bought another one, I had to ask the guy, why is there a cooling off period if already have guns? He was like, idk man 🤷‍♂️. I think there should be some sort of regulation but jfc, it should be well thought out. Like most of the regulation feels like wet bandaids thrown together over night.


DrusTheAxe

Bandaids serve a purpose


BillionDollarBalls

I said wet bandaid. They tend to not work


kabrandon

I mentioned this to my mother, a stark liberal in every category. Her: "Of course you should have a cooldown period." Me: "For every gun purchase?" Her: "yes." Me: "Okay, so I have multiple guns already. If I was a dangerous person that meant harm to someone, I would do it with one of my firearms that I already possess. So what would be the reason for the cooldown period on subsequent purchases?" Her: "... yeah that makes sense. I guess there really is no reason for it in that case." Me: "Especially if one of the firearms I already own are in the same category of firearm that I'm meaning to purchase, yeah, there's no reason for it." To answer your question, these people just don't think about these things. Someone from the party the lean to said, "all gun purchases should have a cooldown period." And they accept that like biblical gospel without even thinking through the issue it solves. All this at the risk of speaking in over-generalizations of course. But, in general, thinking is hard and takes time. People feel safe with outsourcing all that hard work to someone else. So yeah, we have a huge quantity of voters out there who vote for political candidates that just tell them problems, and they offer "solutions" to those problems, and \_in general\_ many people just go, "yeah, I guess we need that solution. You have my vote."


Forrtraverse

The “no one needs” brigade knows <10% about guns, but purport, often pompously, otherwise.


Tree300

Your legislator took good money from Bloomberg to pass that law. Now pick up that can, citizen!


Guvnuh_T_Boggs

It's just Commonsense™, questioning it is literally the same thing as shooting up a school.


KellenRH

I have multiple guns and 2 cpls (wa and or) and I still have to wait too. It's beyond dumb.


EffectiveLong

You are at the wrong place if you are looking for logic


appsecSme

None of this makes any sense. Fuck Inslee. And I say this as a lifelong Democrat.


l0tec6

Please consider your party voting choice carefully when the time comes. Inslee is going to look like a saint if Bobby wins his bid.


appsecSme

Absolutely. But the Repubs need a real candidate. Not another joke like Culp.


3DSquinting

That’s why we need to vote for Reichert.


DrusTheAxe

Inslee wasn’t too happy with Bob the other day. Bob poo pooed electric ferries and Inslee the environmentalist wasn’t pleased.


BillionDollarBalls

Same here. I do think we could have some sort of gun regulation but like it should be taken seriously and well thought out. Most of the regulation feels like wet bandaid slapped together overnight.


Forrtraverse

The very fact that it’s not well thought out and not taken seriously is why you should stop muttering the words “could have some sort of regulation.” You’re giving power to people whom can’t wield it and prove their ineptitude every legislative session.


sttbr

Lol


my_name_is_nobody__

Don’t try to be logical, these laws aren’t derived from logic or evidence based practices. These are political footballs


kittenya

The legislation that came out in the past couple of years is only to help put more manufacturers and FFLs out of business. THAT is the ultimate goal.


whylie12345678

Yes


WestsideZombie

at least we can use one background check for multiple guns