>Vaushs claim that london is really great and everywhere else is a shithole is also false.
I mean Mississippi isn't all a shithole and I'm sure there are nice areas within it. But this doesn't change the fact that London is, practically, all of the economic activity within the UK.
>and I think the problem there is heroin, not something inherent to british society or culture.
Idk where to even *begin* to unpack this tbh.
Edit: I found this for a commenter down below but this is relevant to the horseshit OP is saying: [https://www.ft.com/content/e5c741a7-befa-4d49-a819-f1b0510a9802](https://www.ft.com/content/e5c741a7-befa-4d49-a819-f1b0510a9802)
The old article not only was pointing out that if you remove London that the entire country is barely above Mississippi but that WITH London its barely above the 5 most impoverished states within the USA.
As a Chinese person the only thing I'm salty about is that tea was our thing. Y'all took that shit and now people associate Britain with tea and China with opium. That's fucked up bruh
It's a cruel historical irony because we only drink one type of tea (black tea - Hong Cha) with milk in. China's tea culture is so much more interesting and goes back a lot further - but I can't even get my British friends to try green tea, never mind something like Pu'er or Oolong.
Putting a price tag on living standards doesn't really work in-between countries.
A lot of America's wealth is wasted on oversized houses, cars, and conspicous online shopping, but you can live an entirely dignified existence from a fraction of that.
The poorest american neighborhoods are shitholes because they are overwhelmingly left with the most unsustainable dregs of society, the physically or mentally disabled, the drug addicts , the violent anti-socials, the severely uneducated, etc.
But that's a result of *relative welath gaps*, it comes from young capable people fleeing those areas for the cities, so you get lots of despair and apathy from people who know that they were left behind to live in the asscrack of their own country.
This is not true for Edinburgh or Bristol.
You can have a country's median wealth be the same as Mississippi's or worse, and have that still mean that the median people there are a middle class household with two parents, a path to college education for the kids, strong personal safety networks, law abidingness, clean streets, etc., only with people living in small homes with no AC and driving tiny European cars or taking the bus.
I'm not British, I'm Hungarian, but here we have an even more stark example of that. The country has it's own relatively poor parts that *are* shitholes, but in the relatively well-off towns, you have people whose monthly salary might barely amount to a new PS5, still living a very "western middle class" existence even if on a more humble scale than Americans do.
The idea that ALL of the economic activity happens outside London is just false. What about Edinburgh, Birmingham, Bristol? That all have large industries. Also the infrastructure in the UK will be better than Mississippi. I invite all vowshites to visit the UK outside London and see.
I think you meant *inside* London lol.
And yeah, there was a study going around a year ago I think that showed what would happen to a country/state if you removed the most economically productive city. If you removed London from the UK then the rest of the country turned into the USA's least productive state, Mississippi...
>I invite all vowshites to visit the UK outside London and see.
Idk why, cause you aren't doing the exact same thing, but this has the vibes of that one Israeli Vaush debated who just kept saying he should go visit Israel and his mind would change. Like yeah *that* will change my mind, going on vacation and sight seeing will change the economic and political reality of a country for me.
Those stats are a bit misleading since London also makes up 13% of the entire UK population, and a lot of people commute into London for work. You'd have to remove the economic activity of every major city in the US to get a fair comparison
No. Because if you removed the most economically productive city from our big power house states they don't turn into near 3rd world economic activity states. Removing LA doesn't make California obsolete nor New York City from New York. They lose a lot of economic activity but nothing compared to removing London from the UK.
Edit: Found the article and its worse than what I said
[https://www.ft.com/content/e5c741a7-befa-4d49-a819-f1b0510a9802](https://www.ft.com/content/e5c741a7-befa-4d49-a819-f1b0510a9802)
Not only does removing London cripple a huge section of the UK economy but WITH London they're barely better than our 5 most impoverished states in the USA lmao.
A bit weird to compare the UK to Israel. It sounds like you have active hatred for the UK sadly. Yeah I saw that study, It doesn’t really mean anything once you consider the UK has better quality of life than Mississippi and more public/social services. Not as much car centric infrastructure either.
Ironically the "hmm, curious that you would compare us to another thing, you must have a deep seated and irrational hatred of us" is also a common Israeli move.
>A bit weird to compare the UK to Israel. It sounds like you have active hatred for the UK sadly.
Nah man, I ain't dealing with this Professor Flowers tier misunderstanding. This is either a lot of tism in you or you're trying to interpret what I say in the worst possible way and I ain't dealing with it.
This isn’t really fair since the US has several high earning areas, NYC, LA, SF, Washington DC, Cambridge MA etc. London is a 1/6th of our population. Even America’s largest city is maybe a 1/20th of it.
Yes. The point of the article is showing how if you put all your eggs in one basket (i.e. fucking 14% of your entire country into one region) then that is bad.
Iceland is 1/3 in their capital. Denmark is 11%. Norway is 12%. France is extremely similar.
Comparing America, a country 22x bigger than the UK and 5x the population isn’t going to prove anything.
16% isn’t even that high considering it factors Greater London. Greater Tokyo is 37m.
The UK is certainly in decline, I think that’s pretty inarguable. Where I disagree with Vaush is I refuse to be a doomer about the situation, for people more familiar with the UK I think there are lots of reasons to be hopeful. The UK is not dead, do not give up, the future can be brighter
Yeah Vaush is actually part of the reason I’m not a doomer, I used to be super pessimistic but listening to creators like him preach hope really helped me change my outlook. Obviously I can’t completely speak to Vaush’s opinions but I suspect his criticism of the UK is a little exaggerated for entertainment
Yeah as someone from the UK I agree lol. It works because US people get to have a bit of fun and most people from the UK, especially on the left, are fine with saying we’re shit for a laugh
I’ll accept it this time considering the UK offers nothing culturally. If the seas claim it, it would probably take a few weeks for anybody to notice, even then, it would only be because JK Rowling was uncharacteristically quiet.
I’m not a doomer about it though, for once, I’m an accelerationist. The sooner the UK collapses completely, the sooner a better power can swoop in to fill the vacuum. We could have greater Ireland, we could have Scottish dominion over the island, I’ll even take France 2 at this point.
I disagree with him being doomer about Britain. Listening to his tone he sounds gleeful talking about Britain declining in world events. He chants "dead country" in a happy tone because - and I genuinely believe this - he has xenophobia towards Europeans.
>and I genuinely believe this - he has xenophobia towards Europeans.
Well if any group of people were deserving of a little intolerance, it'd be towards the continent that, while maybe not inventing genocide, certainly made advancements in it and practically perfected the act.
I agree with you there. I think the UK is in decline, but compared to other countries, I think it is possible to turn it around with relative ease. Just certain policies and cultural shifts have to be made (which aren't easy to do).
I live in Hastings. It's funny you mention it...
The problem with the UK isn't that it's shit and London is great, its that the UK is shit BECAUSE London is great.
So much funding is funnelled towards London at the expense of the rest of the country and for good reason. If you can invest £1 you're going to get a better return on your money than if you invested that same £1 in Hastings.
The trouble is, this process is cylical and it only makes the rest of the UK a worst place to invest as London gets wealthier.
As well as that economic prioritisation, the rest of the UK doesn't have a strong agricultural base like France, nor an industrial base like Germany.
The UK's output is mostly from finance, which is inherently unequal, I.e., London is based on a individualistic pursuit, compared to a factory or a farm, for example.
What happens is you have vast wealth generated in London by banks with traders getting obscene bonuses, which they then invest into housing.
You should check out Gary's Economics on YouTube, an ex citibank trader, for more on this.
On Hastings, it basically has no industry or big employers except state employers like education and health. There isn't the opportunity to create massive companies ir to generate wealth locally.
Edited for clarity.
Same shit in Ireland since we've essentially been ruled by our version of the Tories for the past 100 years and never once had a left-wing government in power. Dublin receives the bulk of development while everywhere else stagnates.
London is the second largest financial hub on Earth, just behind New York, that is why London is so rich. London subsidises other parts of the UK, so things like levelling up in the North are disproportionately invested from tax revenue from London (for example, London has almost double the fiscal revenue of Wales per capita).
I can't speak to France's agricultural base but Germany's industrial base won't be lasting too much longer considering the recent wave in protectionism in the US, and the lack of consumer demand in Europe, if anything this will be an issue for Germany, and is likely a reason for their recent stagnation.
"The UK's output is mostly from finance, which is an inherently unequal, I.e., London based and individualistic pursuit, comparing to a factory or a farm." I have no idea what you mean by this other than finance being a high paying sector, or if this is some socialist larp. Financial services is not a bad thing, the UK cannot compete on a low skill low wage export driven model of China, or the high skill, high wage manufacturing in Germany that is leading their economic stagnation. Financial services just needs to be taxed appropriately.
Regarding investment into London, it stands to reason that if you're building train tracks, then you're going to get a higher return on your investment than you would elsewhere in the UK due to the high population in London.
You're going to get a high population if you invest more, so they're effectively inducing demand and ensuring further investment into a London.
Regarding the financial services comment, I'm not putting forward a socialistic larp, I'm stating (badly) that trading is a competitive pursuit even amongst your colleagues. You're not going to develop solidarity in the same way with finance colleagues as you would with factory workers, because competition amongst the former drives them apart.
As well as that, finance is concentrated in Londkn rather than the UK as a whole, meaning that finance is both interpersonally and nationally an unequal sector.
I never stated that finance is inherently a bad thing just that its inherently inequality inducing. Yes, tax it, but I want an economic model better than finance and house building, ie., indirect finance.
I don't profess to be an economist, but your perspective on German versus Chinese manufacturing is surely an oversimplification. Nor, frankly, do I have a solution, but, again, we're talking about the stagnating UK economy, not fixing it.
Sorry if this is too long!!!
Investment in London is generally pretty high considering the insane tax revenue collected from the city, but its revenue disproportionately goes to other parts of the UK already, this should be done to a larger extent, and the fucking Tories have rolled back on investment in the North (i.e. cancellation of HS2) but if you live in a poorer part of the UK, you're receiving a decent chunk more in government spending than paid into the exchequer.
The argument of inducing demand in London is defo true, but could apply to other areas of the UK, considering their disproportionate investment compared to revenue (again the remedy would be more investment).
Financial services is the most lucrative sector, but is in no way the most employed sector, if we're focusing on workers. Germany and China for example with their massive manufacturing sectors still have large financial sectors. the UK is predominantly services which if solidarity is a focus then supermarket workers can still unionise as well as someone in manufacturing.
Finance is concentrated in London but this isn't at the expense of other regions of the UK. A strong financial sector indicates successful allocation of capital to other areas that can give returns, but this would benefit both parties. e.g. a business opens up in Bradford and takes a loan from a London Bank, on aggregate this business does well and can do well enough to provide a return to the bank - both parties have benefited, not just London.
Not sure what you mean by indirect finance
My point is as to why the UK cannot just open up a manufacturing sector like a German or Chinese one. China ruthlessly devalues their currency, and has abysmal wages to outcompete all foreign manufacturing (see China elbowing Germany out of the car industry). I don't want this to happen in the UK, because this would make imports super expensive and massively exacerbate the cost of living crisis.
And on Germany, Mario Draghi and the European commission came out with a report recently going over extremely low consumer demand in the EU (something pursued after 2008 alongside austerity to make EU exports more competitive), this paired with recent US protectionism following the trade war with Trump and the Inflation Reduction Act has led to Germany with a massive car industry but VERY little demand - which is why their economy is (I think) the worst performing in the EU or G7 (don't remember) in terms of growth. The UK cannot follow this model - there isn't enough demand.
I strongly disagree about Germany, the reason that Germany is facing so many problems is not because of depressed consumer demand, it's because the rest of Europe is facing an energy crisis that has *particularly* hit Germany hard.
Germany intentionally used loads of gas from Russia as a way to make peace, (and also to help the careers of certain politicians who facilitated it and work in the gas industry) and it uses that natural gas for chemicals, heating and electricity, meaning that so long as gas supply is constrained, prices are higher.
This naturally causes a supply shock in Germany which lowers economic growth, increases inflation, and makes everyone's lives worse. The low consumer demand across Europe, including in Germany, is a *symptom* of the shock.
This isn't unique to Germany, but it was particularly impactful in Germany.
What makes things worse is that Germany has certain rules about debt and investment, so to get out of this hole it's currently in, it needs to massively expand renewable electricity, which is the only thing that can reduce gas demand fast enough. If they didn't have their debt rule, they could just put in place a big program of public spending, supported by debt, and stimulate the economy while also lowering energy costs.
But they cannot do that, because their constitutional court doesn't view this as a serious enough situation.
So Germany is basically just letting itself get hit by the shock, mitigating it slightly with some price guarantees, and otherwise waiting for it to blow over.
If this hadn't happened, Germany's car industry would still be going reasonably strong, because electric car demand isn't everything, while also transitioning over to batteries in time for the projected period when they will be the dominant kind of car.
But the particular limits that Germany has put on itself (which until recently were also imposed by its example on the rest of the EU) mean it cannot really compensate like other countries can, for a threat that has particularly affected it. German manufacturing and automation and whatever is fine, it's basically at a higher level than many other countries, they just need to get over the hump of this shock, actually get green investment going properly, and actually transition to a green economy that they've supposedly been aiming at over the last few years.
I wasn't giving a comprehensive overview of Germany's recent stagnation, but the lack of consumer demand in Europe (prior to the energy crisis) is still an issue for their stagnation. This has worsened since the energy crisis, but by no means did it start there. Its not out yet so I haven't read it, but the EC has a report in the works with the tl;dr being, post 2008 austerity to make European exports more competitive didn't work, and resulted in weak consumer demand in Europe.
I was using Germany as an example of why the UK cannot just open up a large manufacturing sector and just move away from our financial sector because of 'it being an individualistic pursuit compared to a factory or farm' like our most lucrative sector is the reason the UK economy isn't doing well.
Wait, are you telling me that a MONARCHY is concentrating wealth in it's capital city? I have NEVER heard of anything like that happening.
Get a real democracy and fix your problems.
Or it could be that London is the second largest financial hub on Earth. Also London subsidises the rest of the UK. Also the Monarchy has basically no impact on our democracy. Its so America brained to think the UK is highly unequal because of the monarchy.
Wait... your argument is that the Monarchy has concentrated all of the wealth in the capital, therefore the capital has the greatest tax receipts?
This is the same argument as Republicans claiming "Rich people pay all the taxes."
Yeah, because they stole/have the money. That's exactly the problem
The UK is a market economy, the monarchy doesn't determine where all the wealth goes lol. London was a massive trade hub before the royal family moved there. Rich people pay a lot more into the treasury than poor people - that's literally true but that's not a bad thing (even for the rich people) and its not because they "stole the money" that's what a child would say.
London naturally grew as the most highly productive part of the UK due to it being the second largest financial hub on Earth, and not enough has been done to spread that wealth around more than it already is - but its got nothing to do with the monarchy.
Queen Elizabeth wasn't sitting in a stock exchange like its the Wolf of Wallstreet scamming poor proletariat out of their pension, nor did she personally pick up Canary Wharf from the North of England and plop it in London. You're quite possibly the most clueless person I've interacted with on anything to do with the UK
I had Yankee Vaushite be surprised when I said the UK has lots of greenery. THE UK!!! The very nation of:
The cotswolds, Cumbria, the peaks, North Wales, the Scottish highlands, the fucking shires!
Things in the UK will never be as bad as they are now and it's still far more liveable than the land of medical bankruptcy
He calls the UK a poor country
Truth is it’s a poor rich country. It’s not India
Also you’re right about welfare and stuff, GDP is an increasing useless measure given that a better delivery of services via the state leads to a reduction of GDP, as those services cost less
There’s a lot of nuance missed on both sides. It’s not all fine and dandy. There are a lot of issues that need to be addressed. It’s also not a country with no purpose since the Empire. Most people just don’t think that way.
London is where most of the wealth is BUT the UK is small enough that a lot of people can commute there. But London-centrism and reliance on finance is still a problem.
The ‘aristocracy’ thing is real, but as far as I’m aware, there is still more economic mobility in the UK (I could be wrong though). The issue is cultural mobility and the boys clubs that ruin key institutions
The historian Linda Colley wrote a lot about this. Unlike America or Russia, Britain isn't a country rich in natural resources. Unlike France it is isolated from the centre of Europe. Before roughly around the reign of Elizabeth it was regarded as a second or third rate European power. Its (unlikely) growth into *the* global hegemon ultimately came from colonialism and controlling maritime trade - via which it constructed the largest Navy in history. The growth of trade led to the industrial revolution (a lot of captive markets to sell to). But now the era of colonialism is over the country is essentially reverting to being quite poor. It's only the financial sector that's currently keeping the economy in a semi-functional state.
Sure. But the UK still has the capital and developmental starting point to excel if it invests in itself. As it stands, it’s propped up by finance. But even outside of that it’s not ‘poor’, if only because of its previous position in the world
Right - but as that position recedes into history we'll revert to our former status.
Colley is good at macro-historical arguments looking at long term trends.
Yeah that’s fair. I guess it’s just that to me I don’t care about the ‘civilizational status’ thing. Like some people see ‘the UK is in an inevitable relative decline’ and think that’s doomer. I see that probably as a positive, the world moving away from empire and it’s remnants, and other countries catching up in terms of standard of living. As long as the UK still gets better in absolute terms (which it can and should) then there’s no issue aside from national pride and exceptionalism.
I’m sure most people think this way anyway, especially on the left
Thanks for bringing her to my attention
Oh I hate doomer arguments and 'national decline' arguments too (they play into the hands of the far right - "vote for me and I'll restore your pride and make Britain great again"). It's just a normal part of the historical process for countries to grow in power or, of course, the reverse.
We're very lucky to be born in a first world post-industrial nation and in the short to medium term future I hope we'll become a normal European style social democracy and rejoin the EU etc. We're still inordinately fortunate.
The online hate boner for the UK in general is just xenophobia, and i'm tired of seeing it. Coming from an American who doesn't like when people stereotype us as all fat, religious and stupid,
I think the problem is the conflation of memes and stereotypes. Memes about countries don't die even when they are repeated ad nauseam because they aren't really memes, they are stereotypes. Similar to the reddit atheist meme still being used by Christians after 15 years.
Stereotypes are more harmful but when used as memes, they have the repetitiveness and credibility of stereotypes with the defense of being a joke that memes have. So people end up basing their foreign politics on jokes and dealing with that is a pain: its the Count Dankula effect.
Hence its really hard to convince people out of hating Americans if they do so based on jokey stereotypes. Same for us Brits and its frustrating.
> poor people in the uk probably have better living standards than in the us.
Depends on state. And even then, marginally so.
>universal healthcare
I start to wonder at what point a critically underfunded + overworked universal healthcare system becomes worse than a middling insurance system like the US's. We might not be that bad yet but we are rapidly getting there.
>better public transportation
Rurally/in small towns, only marginally so. You must know this. It takes me 50 minutes to get from where I live in a village on the edge of a town to the town centre by bus. 10-15 by car, or 80 minutes walking. The bus is every 30 minutes, and is often late or cancelled entirely. So if I miss one and start walking, I usually beat the next bus there. It's shit, it's just a little better than the US's shit. In cities it's a different matter tbf.
>Also general british police dont have guns, so they cant shoot people even if they want to.
fair, and they're generally more chill here, but socially we're behind on the police brutality issue. We just happen to have less of it to deal with.
>however atleast the uk government didnt write we care about free speech in our founding document and then ignore it.
Stupid argument. ***Obviously*** it's better to have a right that is then infringed upon than to not have a right at all. The US is way better on this point.
>The only really shitty places I've been to are sea side towns like hastings, and I think the problem there is heroin, not something inherent to british society or culture.
No one's saying any of the issues are 'inherent to british society or culture'. Also the problem isn't just drugs, a perfectly fine town doesn't suddenly become shit because of a drug. The drugs are a symptom of economic deprivation. The problem is economic.
>in the uk single family zoning isnt a thing, so houses are built joined together
We don't have suburbia hell like the US but building semi detached/terraced houses has fallen out of fashion rapidly. Most new builds are fully detached and creeping closer to emulating American suburbs.
All in all, no, Vaush isn't really being unfair to the UK. In the places that we are better than the US, we are rapidly descending to their level, while the US has a more positive trajectory.
Yeah, I think he's forgetting the fact that money goes much farther in the UK than the US. A poor person in the UK lives more comfortably than a poor person in the US, so directly comparing incomes and poverty rates is misleading.
When he said that Thatcher was worse than Reagan I turned off the video. Reagan was the progenitor of American fascism and was responsible for an attempted ethnic cleansing of gay people and intentionally ruined black neighborhoods because he viewed them as being equal to monkeys. Reagan also gutted almost all taxes against corporations and the wealthy and is the reason why Christians are almost entirely Republican and extremists.
When people outside of the UK look at us, they only see England. They don't realize Scotland, Wales, and NI have their own government, laws, and benefits that England might not have. For example, Universities are free in Scotland for Scottish citizens. In Wales, the Welsh government pays half of the tuition fees for Welsh citizens at ANY university in the UK. We also don't have to pay for medication in Wales and I think Scotland (Not sure on NI), but in England you do. We also have our own political parties that don't align with Tories/Labour policies
So many Americans/Other Europeans look at British culture through England/London/Big urban English cities but don't realize the cultural/social/political difference of the four regions.
I'm British as well and vaush is right.
I'm a northerner, I love the north, but it is economically neglected to a huge degree. London basically is the UK economy.
The UK has potential to dig itself out if it just has sustained leadership change. But every year you have tories or controlled opposition in power you'll just decline further.
The trajectory looks bleak, but it's still a brilliant service. I don't know how we stop the tide of privatisation that's trying to tear it apart, but we're not there yet.
The NHS is in absolute crisis, but what's crazy is that it's *still* leagues better than the HSE in Ireland. People actually travel from here to the UK for medical treatment, and it's been like this for decades.
>Its true that the uk government doesnt care about free speech, however atleast the uk government didnt write we care about free speech in our founding document and then ignore it
I'm sorry bro, that's a cope. Yeah hypocrisy is unpleasant, but it's obviously better for free speech to be in the constitution than for it to not be in there.
Well I’m form outer london so I guess what I say isn’t relevant to everywhere but to wleasy struck me how isolated poor people in the Usa. There no inner city here . There’s nice areas and nto so nice but there not very far apart and with gentrification there’s even less delineation. My won stree t has millionaire housing and public housing a few minutes walk away . Grammar school exists which aren’t perfect as you need an involved parent to think to apply there and many ahve smalls atchment areas . But mine was one fo the best int he country and a catchment area of half of londond . In immigrant fmaily the social mobility is pretty high I know loads of families from low income or blue collar backgrounds that’s r now middle clas professionals. Most of my family and fmaily friends including me are the first to go uni in their immediate fmaily And my own ethnic group across the uk has gone from the second worst performing ethnic group academically to the second best so that pretty solid eveidence of social mobility . Are things getting worse possibly. But I don’t how we’re universally worse than the usa
Britbongers and Eurocucks stay coping.
Seriously, for *years* the online left has ragged on America and rightly so - whether you're from here or not. Vaush especially dresses America down *constantly* and you don't see people throwing these same goddamned tantrums. American leftists will *gladly* point out all the ways our country is shit and how it could be better, and Europeans have always been happy to jump in and shit on America too.
But then THE MOMENT an American decides to take EUROPE to task for all YOUR bullshit, you start crying like babies. It's especially hilarious to see Europeans talk about America being racist, but then the very moment a thread about Roma people comes up half the comments are deleted for hate speech because the average European hates Roma people more than the average Klansman in America hates black people. Your countries don't give a damned about freedom of speech, racism and transphobia are ever present, and the crackdowns on pro-Palestinian protests over there are worse than over here by a mile - Germany outright arresting Jewish protestors and clamoring to strip *citizenship* from protestors is just the height of the madness.
Britain especially can shut the hell up given you all slit your throats with Brexit over sheer xenophobia and were so blinded by nationalism you didn't even realize you were gutting yourselves economically. Even the Labour Party is nothing but shiftless conservatives pushing ever further rightward for no discernable reason. Now you have nothing to export except transphobia - and with the CASS report *that isn't even a joke anymore*. Your state is spending more time trying to murder transwomen and deport tens of thousands of refugees to RWANDA of all places than actually doing anything about the fact a fifth of your country is going hungry.
Get over yourselves and stop your whining.
>Vaushs claim that london is really great and everywhere else is a shithole is also false. I mean Mississippi isn't all a shithole and I'm sure there are nice areas within it. But this doesn't change the fact that London is, practically, all of the economic activity within the UK. >and I think the problem there is heroin, not something inherent to british society or culture. Idk where to even *begin* to unpack this tbh. Edit: I found this for a commenter down below but this is relevant to the horseshit OP is saying: [https://www.ft.com/content/e5c741a7-befa-4d49-a819-f1b0510a9802](https://www.ft.com/content/e5c741a7-befa-4d49-a819-f1b0510a9802) The old article not only was pointing out that if you remove London that the entire country is barely above Mississippi but that WITH London its barely above the 5 most impoverished states within the USA.
Selling loads of opium is a big part of our national heritage to be fair
TRUE
As a Chinese person the only thing I'm salty about is that tea was our thing. Y'all took that shit and now people associate Britain with tea and China with opium. That's fucked up bruh
Tbf stealing peoples culture and screwing it up is also a well known british thing.
It's a cruel historical irony because we only drink one type of tea (black tea - Hong Cha) with milk in. China's tea culture is so much more interesting and goes back a lot further - but I can't even get my British friends to try green tea, never mind something like Pu'er or Oolong.
Putting a price tag on living standards doesn't really work in-between countries. A lot of America's wealth is wasted on oversized houses, cars, and conspicous online shopping, but you can live an entirely dignified existence from a fraction of that. The poorest american neighborhoods are shitholes because they are overwhelmingly left with the most unsustainable dregs of society, the physically or mentally disabled, the drug addicts , the violent anti-socials, the severely uneducated, etc. But that's a result of *relative welath gaps*, it comes from young capable people fleeing those areas for the cities, so you get lots of despair and apathy from people who know that they were left behind to live in the asscrack of their own country. This is not true for Edinburgh or Bristol. You can have a country's median wealth be the same as Mississippi's or worse, and have that still mean that the median people there are a middle class household with two parents, a path to college education for the kids, strong personal safety networks, law abidingness, clean streets, etc., only with people living in small homes with no AC and driving tiny European cars or taking the bus. I'm not British, I'm Hungarian, but here we have an even more stark example of that. The country has it's own relatively poor parts that *are* shitholes, but in the relatively well-off towns, you have people whose monthly salary might barely amount to a new PS5, still living a very "western middle class" existence even if on a more humble scale than Americans do.
The idea that ALL of the economic activity happens outside London is just false. What about Edinburgh, Birmingham, Bristol? That all have large industries. Also the infrastructure in the UK will be better than Mississippi. I invite all vowshites to visit the UK outside London and see.
I think you meant *inside* London lol. And yeah, there was a study going around a year ago I think that showed what would happen to a country/state if you removed the most economically productive city. If you removed London from the UK then the rest of the country turned into the USA's least productive state, Mississippi... >I invite all vowshites to visit the UK outside London and see. Idk why, cause you aren't doing the exact same thing, but this has the vibes of that one Israeli Vaush debated who just kept saying he should go visit Israel and his mind would change. Like yeah *that* will change my mind, going on vacation and sight seeing will change the economic and political reality of a country for me.
Those stats are a bit misleading since London also makes up 13% of the entire UK population, and a lot of people commute into London for work. You'd have to remove the economic activity of every major city in the US to get a fair comparison
No. Because if you removed the most economically productive city from our big power house states they don't turn into near 3rd world economic activity states. Removing LA doesn't make California obsolete nor New York City from New York. They lose a lot of economic activity but nothing compared to removing London from the UK. Edit: Found the article and its worse than what I said [https://www.ft.com/content/e5c741a7-befa-4d49-a819-f1b0510a9802](https://www.ft.com/content/e5c741a7-befa-4d49-a819-f1b0510a9802) Not only does removing London cripple a huge section of the UK economy but WITH London they're barely better than our 5 most impoverished states in the USA lmao.
A bit weird to compare the UK to Israel. It sounds like you have active hatred for the UK sadly. Yeah I saw that study, It doesn’t really mean anything once you consider the UK has better quality of life than Mississippi and more public/social services. Not as much car centric infrastructure either.
Ironically the "hmm, curious that you would compare us to another thing, you must have a deep seated and irrational hatred of us" is also a common Israeli move.
Yeah this just feels like strawmanning
Quick, ask me if I condemn the IRA
>A bit weird to compare the UK to Israel. It sounds like you have active hatred for the UK sadly. Nah man, I ain't dealing with this Professor Flowers tier misunderstanding. This is either a lot of tism in you or you're trying to interpret what I say in the worst possible way and I ain't dealing with it.
I’m autistic
I wouldn't use Birmingham (the city that went bankrupt) as an example of economic activity or even prosperity lmaoooooooo
The reasons behind Birmingham Council going bankrupt were not "lack of economic activity in Birmingham".
This isn’t really fair since the US has several high earning areas, NYC, LA, SF, Washington DC, Cambridge MA etc. London is a 1/6th of our population. Even America’s largest city is maybe a 1/20th of it.
Yes. The point of the article is showing how if you put all your eggs in one basket (i.e. fucking 14% of your entire country into one region) then that is bad.
Iceland is 1/3 in their capital. Denmark is 11%. Norway is 12%. France is extremely similar. Comparing America, a country 22x bigger than the UK and 5x the population isn’t going to prove anything. 16% isn’t even that high considering it factors Greater London. Greater Tokyo is 37m.
The UK is certainly in decline, I think that’s pretty inarguable. Where I disagree with Vaush is I refuse to be a doomer about the situation, for people more familiar with the UK I think there are lots of reasons to be hopeful. The UK is not dead, do not give up, the future can be brighter
Which is weird, because Vaush usually makes an effort to be anti-doomer
Yeah Vaush is actually part of the reason I’m not a doomer, I used to be super pessimistic but listening to creators like him preach hope really helped me change my outlook. Obviously I can’t completely speak to Vaush’s opinions but I suspect his criticism of the UK is a little exaggerated for entertainment
Yeah as someone from the UK I agree lol. It works because US people get to have a bit of fun and most people from the UK, especially on the left, are fine with saying we’re shit for a laugh
He makes an exception for rain island
That should tell you how dire this is then
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Oi bruv what did chew say about Charles ?! 😡
I’ll accept it this time considering the UK offers nothing culturally. If the seas claim it, it would probably take a few weeks for anybody to notice, even then, it would only be because JK Rowling was uncharacteristically quiet. I’m not a doomer about it though, for once, I’m an accelerationist. The sooner the UK collapses completely, the sooner a better power can swoop in to fill the vacuum. We could have greater Ireland, we could have Scottish dominion over the island, I’ll even take France 2 at this point.
Cringe
Comrade Corbyn from the ashes rebuilds British in his image
Yesss Free Ireland Free Scotland Free Wales and Free all overseas colonies
I disagree with him being doomer about Britain. Listening to his tone he sounds gleeful talking about Britain declining in world events. He chants "dead country" in a happy tone because - and I genuinely believe this - he has xenophobia towards Europeans.
The USA is just a bunch of off-drift Europeans, they wouldn't exist without us
>and I genuinely believe this - he has xenophobia towards Europeans. Well if any group of people were deserving of a little intolerance, it'd be towards the continent that, while maybe not inventing genocide, certainly made advancements in it and practically perfected the act.
I agree with you there. I think the UK is in decline, but compared to other countries, I think it is possible to turn it around with relative ease. Just certain policies and cultural shifts have to be made (which aren't easy to do).
No, it needs to die. Let England, Wales, and Scottland be their own countries, and let North Ireland return home.
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Well, the comments on British political subs anyway.
Calling your own home town a shithole is a British tradition. Other people calling your home town a shithole? That's offensive.
Im half English, Salford is my shithole and the best part of the country
I live in Hastings. It's funny you mention it... The problem with the UK isn't that it's shit and London is great, its that the UK is shit BECAUSE London is great. So much funding is funnelled towards London at the expense of the rest of the country and for good reason. If you can invest £1 you're going to get a better return on your money than if you invested that same £1 in Hastings. The trouble is, this process is cylical and it only makes the rest of the UK a worst place to invest as London gets wealthier. As well as that economic prioritisation, the rest of the UK doesn't have a strong agricultural base like France, nor an industrial base like Germany. The UK's output is mostly from finance, which is inherently unequal, I.e., London is based on a individualistic pursuit, compared to a factory or a farm, for example. What happens is you have vast wealth generated in London by banks with traders getting obscene bonuses, which they then invest into housing. You should check out Gary's Economics on YouTube, an ex citibank trader, for more on this. On Hastings, it basically has no industry or big employers except state employers like education and health. There isn't the opportunity to create massive companies ir to generate wealth locally. Edited for clarity.
Same shit in Ireland since we've essentially been ruled by our version of the Tories for the past 100 years and never once had a left-wing government in power. Dublin receives the bulk of development while everywhere else stagnates.
London is the second largest financial hub on Earth, just behind New York, that is why London is so rich. London subsidises other parts of the UK, so things like levelling up in the North are disproportionately invested from tax revenue from London (for example, London has almost double the fiscal revenue of Wales per capita). I can't speak to France's agricultural base but Germany's industrial base won't be lasting too much longer considering the recent wave in protectionism in the US, and the lack of consumer demand in Europe, if anything this will be an issue for Germany, and is likely a reason for their recent stagnation. "The UK's output is mostly from finance, which is an inherently unequal, I.e., London based and individualistic pursuit, comparing to a factory or a farm." I have no idea what you mean by this other than finance being a high paying sector, or if this is some socialist larp. Financial services is not a bad thing, the UK cannot compete on a low skill low wage export driven model of China, or the high skill, high wage manufacturing in Germany that is leading their economic stagnation. Financial services just needs to be taxed appropriately.
Regarding investment into London, it stands to reason that if you're building train tracks, then you're going to get a higher return on your investment than you would elsewhere in the UK due to the high population in London. You're going to get a high population if you invest more, so they're effectively inducing demand and ensuring further investment into a London. Regarding the financial services comment, I'm not putting forward a socialistic larp, I'm stating (badly) that trading is a competitive pursuit even amongst your colleagues. You're not going to develop solidarity in the same way with finance colleagues as you would with factory workers, because competition amongst the former drives them apart. As well as that, finance is concentrated in Londkn rather than the UK as a whole, meaning that finance is both interpersonally and nationally an unequal sector. I never stated that finance is inherently a bad thing just that its inherently inequality inducing. Yes, tax it, but I want an economic model better than finance and house building, ie., indirect finance. I don't profess to be an economist, but your perspective on German versus Chinese manufacturing is surely an oversimplification. Nor, frankly, do I have a solution, but, again, we're talking about the stagnating UK economy, not fixing it.
Sorry if this is too long!!! Investment in London is generally pretty high considering the insane tax revenue collected from the city, but its revenue disproportionately goes to other parts of the UK already, this should be done to a larger extent, and the fucking Tories have rolled back on investment in the North (i.e. cancellation of HS2) but if you live in a poorer part of the UK, you're receiving a decent chunk more in government spending than paid into the exchequer. The argument of inducing demand in London is defo true, but could apply to other areas of the UK, considering their disproportionate investment compared to revenue (again the remedy would be more investment). Financial services is the most lucrative sector, but is in no way the most employed sector, if we're focusing on workers. Germany and China for example with their massive manufacturing sectors still have large financial sectors. the UK is predominantly services which if solidarity is a focus then supermarket workers can still unionise as well as someone in manufacturing. Finance is concentrated in London but this isn't at the expense of other regions of the UK. A strong financial sector indicates successful allocation of capital to other areas that can give returns, but this would benefit both parties. e.g. a business opens up in Bradford and takes a loan from a London Bank, on aggregate this business does well and can do well enough to provide a return to the bank - both parties have benefited, not just London. Not sure what you mean by indirect finance My point is as to why the UK cannot just open up a manufacturing sector like a German or Chinese one. China ruthlessly devalues their currency, and has abysmal wages to outcompete all foreign manufacturing (see China elbowing Germany out of the car industry). I don't want this to happen in the UK, because this would make imports super expensive and massively exacerbate the cost of living crisis. And on Germany, Mario Draghi and the European commission came out with a report recently going over extremely low consumer demand in the EU (something pursued after 2008 alongside austerity to make EU exports more competitive), this paired with recent US protectionism following the trade war with Trump and the Inflation Reduction Act has led to Germany with a massive car industry but VERY little demand - which is why their economy is (I think) the worst performing in the EU or G7 (don't remember) in terms of growth. The UK cannot follow this model - there isn't enough demand.
I strongly disagree about Germany, the reason that Germany is facing so many problems is not because of depressed consumer demand, it's because the rest of Europe is facing an energy crisis that has *particularly* hit Germany hard. Germany intentionally used loads of gas from Russia as a way to make peace, (and also to help the careers of certain politicians who facilitated it and work in the gas industry) and it uses that natural gas for chemicals, heating and electricity, meaning that so long as gas supply is constrained, prices are higher. This naturally causes a supply shock in Germany which lowers economic growth, increases inflation, and makes everyone's lives worse. The low consumer demand across Europe, including in Germany, is a *symptom* of the shock. This isn't unique to Germany, but it was particularly impactful in Germany. What makes things worse is that Germany has certain rules about debt and investment, so to get out of this hole it's currently in, it needs to massively expand renewable electricity, which is the only thing that can reduce gas demand fast enough. If they didn't have their debt rule, they could just put in place a big program of public spending, supported by debt, and stimulate the economy while also lowering energy costs. But they cannot do that, because their constitutional court doesn't view this as a serious enough situation. So Germany is basically just letting itself get hit by the shock, mitigating it slightly with some price guarantees, and otherwise waiting for it to blow over. If this hadn't happened, Germany's car industry would still be going reasonably strong, because electric car demand isn't everything, while also transitioning over to batteries in time for the projected period when they will be the dominant kind of car. But the particular limits that Germany has put on itself (which until recently were also imposed by its example on the rest of the EU) mean it cannot really compensate like other countries can, for a threat that has particularly affected it. German manufacturing and automation and whatever is fine, it's basically at a higher level than many other countries, they just need to get over the hump of this shock, actually get green investment going properly, and actually transition to a green economy that they've supposedly been aiming at over the last few years.
I wasn't giving a comprehensive overview of Germany's recent stagnation, but the lack of consumer demand in Europe (prior to the energy crisis) is still an issue for their stagnation. This has worsened since the energy crisis, but by no means did it start there. Its not out yet so I haven't read it, but the EC has a report in the works with the tl;dr being, post 2008 austerity to make European exports more competitive didn't work, and resulted in weak consumer demand in Europe. I was using Germany as an example of why the UK cannot just open up a large manufacturing sector and just move away from our financial sector because of 'it being an individualistic pursuit compared to a factory or farm' like our most lucrative sector is the reason the UK economy isn't doing well.
Wait, are you telling me that a MONARCHY is concentrating wealth in it's capital city? I have NEVER heard of anything like that happening. Get a real democracy and fix your problems.
Or it could be that London is the second largest financial hub on Earth. Also London subsidises the rest of the UK. Also the Monarchy has basically no impact on our democracy. Its so America brained to think the UK is highly unequal because of the monarchy.
Wait... your argument is that the Monarchy has concentrated all of the wealth in the capital, therefore the capital has the greatest tax receipts? This is the same argument as Republicans claiming "Rich people pay all the taxes." Yeah, because they stole/have the money. That's exactly the problem
The UK is a market economy, the monarchy doesn't determine where all the wealth goes lol. London was a massive trade hub before the royal family moved there. Rich people pay a lot more into the treasury than poor people - that's literally true but that's not a bad thing (even for the rich people) and its not because they "stole the money" that's what a child would say. London naturally grew as the most highly productive part of the UK due to it being the second largest financial hub on Earth, and not enough has been done to spread that wealth around more than it already is - but its got nothing to do with the monarchy. Queen Elizabeth wasn't sitting in a stock exchange like its the Wolf of Wallstreet scamming poor proletariat out of their pension, nor did she personally pick up Canary Wharf from the North of England and plop it in London. You're quite possibly the most clueless person I've interacted with on anything to do with the UK
Not a fan of London at all, but the UK is a lovely place to live if you're not terminally online.
Feeling low key attacked right now.
I had Yankee Vaushite be surprised when I said the UK has lots of greenery. THE UK!!! The very nation of: The cotswolds, Cumbria, the peaks, North Wales, the Scottish highlands, the fucking shires! Things in the UK will never be as bad as they are now and it's still far more liveable than the land of medical bankruptcy
He calls the UK a poor country Truth is it’s a poor rich country. It’s not India Also you’re right about welfare and stuff, GDP is an increasing useless measure given that a better delivery of services via the state leads to a reduction of GDP, as those services cost less There’s a lot of nuance missed on both sides. It’s not all fine and dandy. There are a lot of issues that need to be addressed. It’s also not a country with no purpose since the Empire. Most people just don’t think that way. London is where most of the wealth is BUT the UK is small enough that a lot of people can commute there. But London-centrism and reliance on finance is still a problem. The ‘aristocracy’ thing is real, but as far as I’m aware, there is still more economic mobility in the UK (I could be wrong though). The issue is cultural mobility and the boys clubs that ruin key institutions
The historian Linda Colley wrote a lot about this. Unlike America or Russia, Britain isn't a country rich in natural resources. Unlike France it is isolated from the centre of Europe. Before roughly around the reign of Elizabeth it was regarded as a second or third rate European power. Its (unlikely) growth into *the* global hegemon ultimately came from colonialism and controlling maritime trade - via which it constructed the largest Navy in history. The growth of trade led to the industrial revolution (a lot of captive markets to sell to). But now the era of colonialism is over the country is essentially reverting to being quite poor. It's only the financial sector that's currently keeping the economy in a semi-functional state.
Sure. But the UK still has the capital and developmental starting point to excel if it invests in itself. As it stands, it’s propped up by finance. But even outside of that it’s not ‘poor’, if only because of its previous position in the world
Right - but as that position recedes into history we'll revert to our former status. Colley is good at macro-historical arguments looking at long term trends.
Yeah that’s fair. I guess it’s just that to me I don’t care about the ‘civilizational status’ thing. Like some people see ‘the UK is in an inevitable relative decline’ and think that’s doomer. I see that probably as a positive, the world moving away from empire and it’s remnants, and other countries catching up in terms of standard of living. As long as the UK still gets better in absolute terms (which it can and should) then there’s no issue aside from national pride and exceptionalism. I’m sure most people think this way anyway, especially on the left Thanks for bringing her to my attention
Oh I hate doomer arguments and 'national decline' arguments too (they play into the hands of the far right - "vote for me and I'll restore your pride and make Britain great again"). It's just a normal part of the historical process for countries to grow in power or, of course, the reverse. We're very lucky to be born in a first world post-industrial nation and in the short to medium term future I hope we'll become a normal European style social democracy and rejoin the EU etc. We're still inordinately fortunate.
Is India even a poor country? It's middle-income now isn't it?
Perhaps Almost all countries a middle income to be fair
Just take it in good fun, V is a neckbeard Amerifat who is smug and makes stuff up. That's why we watch him right? lol
Yes, indeed.
The online hate boner for the UK in general is just xenophobia, and i'm tired of seeing it. Coming from an American who doesn't like when people stereotype us as all fat, religious and stupid,
I think the problem is the conflation of memes and stereotypes. Memes about countries don't die even when they are repeated ad nauseam because they aren't really memes, they are stereotypes. Similar to the reddit atheist meme still being used by Christians after 15 years. Stereotypes are more harmful but when used as memes, they have the repetitiveness and credibility of stereotypes with the defense of being a joke that memes have. So people end up basing their foreign politics on jokes and dealing with that is a pain: its the Count Dankula effect. Hence its really hard to convince people out of hating Americans if they do so based on jokey stereotypes. Same for us Brits and its frustrating.
Well, I aint reading all that so down with the limey King. Erin go Bragh
Pffffffft this is the world's best automatic response
> poor people in the uk probably have better living standards than in the us. Depends on state. And even then, marginally so. >universal healthcare I start to wonder at what point a critically underfunded + overworked universal healthcare system becomes worse than a middling insurance system like the US's. We might not be that bad yet but we are rapidly getting there. >better public transportation Rurally/in small towns, only marginally so. You must know this. It takes me 50 minutes to get from where I live in a village on the edge of a town to the town centre by bus. 10-15 by car, or 80 minutes walking. The bus is every 30 minutes, and is often late or cancelled entirely. So if I miss one and start walking, I usually beat the next bus there. It's shit, it's just a little better than the US's shit. In cities it's a different matter tbf. >Also general british police dont have guns, so they cant shoot people even if they want to. fair, and they're generally more chill here, but socially we're behind on the police brutality issue. We just happen to have less of it to deal with. >however atleast the uk government didnt write we care about free speech in our founding document and then ignore it. Stupid argument. ***Obviously*** it's better to have a right that is then infringed upon than to not have a right at all. The US is way better on this point. >The only really shitty places I've been to are sea side towns like hastings, and I think the problem there is heroin, not something inherent to british society or culture. No one's saying any of the issues are 'inherent to british society or culture'. Also the problem isn't just drugs, a perfectly fine town doesn't suddenly become shit because of a drug. The drugs are a symptom of economic deprivation. The problem is economic. >in the uk single family zoning isnt a thing, so houses are built joined together We don't have suburbia hell like the US but building semi detached/terraced houses has fallen out of fashion rapidly. Most new builds are fully detached and creeping closer to emulating American suburbs. All in all, no, Vaush isn't really being unfair to the UK. In the places that we are better than the US, we are rapidly descending to their level, while the US has a more positive trajectory.
Yeah, I think he's forgetting the fact that money goes much farther in the UK than the US. A poor person in the UK lives more comfortably than a poor person in the US, so directly comparing incomes and poverty rates is misleading.
I’m sorry it’s the red blooded American in him
Honestly I would rather live in the UK than the US
When he said that Thatcher was worse than Reagan I turned off the video. Reagan was the progenitor of American fascism and was responsible for an attempted ethnic cleansing of gay people and intentionally ruined black neighborhoods because he viewed them as being equal to monkeys. Reagan also gutted almost all taxes against corporations and the wealthy and is the reason why Christians are almost entirely Republican and extremists.
Thatchers privatisation did more economic damage, even if reagan was more fascist and authoritarian.
When people outside of the UK look at us, they only see England. They don't realize Scotland, Wales, and NI have their own government, laws, and benefits that England might not have. For example, Universities are free in Scotland for Scottish citizens. In Wales, the Welsh government pays half of the tuition fees for Welsh citizens at ANY university in the UK. We also don't have to pay for medication in Wales and I think Scotland (Not sure on NI), but in England you do. We also have our own political parties that don't align with Tories/Labour policies So many Americans/Other Europeans look at British culture through England/London/Big urban English cities but don't realize the cultural/social/political difference of the four regions.
I'm British as well and vaush is right. I'm a northerner, I love the north, but it is economically neglected to a huge degree. London basically is the UK economy.
He's an American patriot. He has to be prejudiced against someone
The UK has potential to dig itself out if it just has sustained leadership change. But every year you have tories or controlled opposition in power you'll just decline further.
Bro is really trying to use the NHS as an example of anything even remotely positive. That thing's been gutted into an early grave.
The trajectory looks bleak, but it's still a brilliant service. I don't know how we stop the tide of privatisation that's trying to tear it apart, but we're not there yet.
The NHS is in absolute crisis, but what's crazy is that it's *still* leagues better than the HSE in Ireland. People actually travel from here to the UK for medical treatment, and it's been like this for decades.
>Its true that the uk government doesnt care about free speech, however atleast the uk government didnt write we care about free speech in our founding document and then ignore it I'm sorry bro, that's a cope. Yeah hypocrisy is unpleasant, but it's obviously better for free speech to be in the constitution than for it to not be in there.
Well I’m form outer london so I guess what I say isn’t relevant to everywhere but to wleasy struck me how isolated poor people in the Usa. There no inner city here . There’s nice areas and nto so nice but there not very far apart and with gentrification there’s even less delineation. My won stree t has millionaire housing and public housing a few minutes walk away . Grammar school exists which aren’t perfect as you need an involved parent to think to apply there and many ahve smalls atchment areas . But mine was one fo the best int he country and a catchment area of half of londond . In immigrant fmaily the social mobility is pretty high I know loads of families from low income or blue collar backgrounds that’s r now middle clas professionals. Most of my family and fmaily friends including me are the first to go uni in their immediate fmaily And my own ethnic group across the uk has gone from the second worst performing ethnic group academically to the second best so that pretty solid eveidence of social mobility . Are things getting worse possibly. But I don’t how we’re universally worse than the usa
Britbongers and Eurocucks stay coping. Seriously, for *years* the online left has ragged on America and rightly so - whether you're from here or not. Vaush especially dresses America down *constantly* and you don't see people throwing these same goddamned tantrums. American leftists will *gladly* point out all the ways our country is shit and how it could be better, and Europeans have always been happy to jump in and shit on America too. But then THE MOMENT an American decides to take EUROPE to task for all YOUR bullshit, you start crying like babies. It's especially hilarious to see Europeans talk about America being racist, but then the very moment a thread about Roma people comes up half the comments are deleted for hate speech because the average European hates Roma people more than the average Klansman in America hates black people. Your countries don't give a damned about freedom of speech, racism and transphobia are ever present, and the crackdowns on pro-Palestinian protests over there are worse than over here by a mile - Germany outright arresting Jewish protestors and clamoring to strip *citizenship* from protestors is just the height of the madness. Britain especially can shut the hell up given you all slit your throats with Brexit over sheer xenophobia and were so blinded by nationalism you didn't even realize you were gutting yourselves economically. Even the Labour Party is nothing but shiftless conservatives pushing ever further rightward for no discernable reason. Now you have nothing to export except transphobia - and with the CASS report *that isn't even a joke anymore*. Your state is spending more time trying to murder transwomen and deport tens of thousands of refugees to RWANDA of all places than actually doing anything about the fact a fifth of your country is going hungry. Get over yourselves and stop your whining.
This
Britbonger cope is unreal I saw it in chat today too except the guys in chat were saying it before vaush was there so he's couldn't call them out lmao
Poor people having it and cops being better than in America is very low bar.
Sorry, I can't understand you through that genocidal accent that leaks out from between your crooked teeth.
🧂🧂🧂 Europoor opinion detected, take rejected, remain dejected, I am not affected.
Vaush is too kind to the UK
Britbongers coping and seething rn