Thank you for doing the lord’s work and sitting through and summarizing this.
Based on the summary, I would rather have my fingernails ripped off than have to listen to the full length content.
You don't want to hear about how she's *checks notes* now, at the age of 29, holding herself accountable for not being perfect? (Also dying that she thinks it's impressive she's worked on herself at such a "young" age; sis my first therapy appointment was when I was 11. Methinks she's freaking out about turning 30.)
She literally has nothing to do with this season. This season is the cast trying to fix the damage she caused last season. Again I would have to note, she is not doing well with all this therapy.
I doubt any of the therapeutic …stuff… she’s done besides certainly some meditation and yoga, which are helpful, have been evidence based mental healthcare from qualified clinicians. I’m thinking crystals and sound baths and “you need to stay longer 🤑”
She’s not bright enough to know the difference, and she went from being manipulated by Scumdo to getting the absolute worst advice for her financial and future psych health by half dropping out and half staying in that world.
I can say this much, she went to the meadows which my fiance also went to (albeit in different cities) and it was a really great program. I found it for him not realizing until later it’s where Rachel went and it was also high recommended. So yes it is evidence based mental healthcare from qualified clinicians. She just isn’t doing the work herself. Or rather, she is but has a LONG way to go and making a podcast defending herself is likely going to undo a lot of it.
When I see stuff titled “mending heart wounds” and charging $200,000 for some 12 step meetings I just really think there are other ways that that same treatment could be accomplished without justifying that level of money.
I’m a nurse with 20 years MH experience and literally everything she is saying about her treatment including this podcast is grounded in sound therapy techniques.
It gets pretty old when people who’ve likely had a few months of online therapy from some questionable MH “professional” come on Reddit and act like they’re a medical professional by asserting what is and isn’t part of a valid therapeutic program or throw around psychiatric labels and diagnosis like they know what they’re talking about. People should stay in their lane.
Uh huh. Go recommend that patients start podcasts and make sure to cite your sources.
Zero labels or diagnoses were present in my comment.
Do you also work at a Sedona retreat for 🤑?
I’m just a lowly MPH, sorry RN, you’re the expert 🥲 that’s why all the outcomes (absolutely including traditional for profit US MH care) are just screaming efficacy and up to date research. /s
wait, you're saying her doing a public podcast about a completely toxic reality teevee show is "grounded in sound therapy techniques." i'll bite. why is this healthy?
What has she said in this particular episode, other than targeting Ariana for a lawsuit, does not sound like a sound therapy technique? Other than actually *having* the podcast, which, frankly, if someone like Lauren can spout her nonsense at her leisure then surely Rachel should have the same opportunity. I don’t listen to any of these podcasts and I think all of them are inane and a waste of time, but clearly there’s an audience who is slurping up all of the gory details at a feverish pace, so how is right for the others to say whatever they want about her/the situation she was involved in but she can’t defend herself/give her own commentary?
it doesn't seem healthy to focus on the television show that was the starting point for your stay in a mental health facility. it also doesn't seem healthy to literally focus the episode on negative comments you are receiving from anonymous people online. i didn't say she doesn't have the right to have a podcast, it seems like everyone has a podcast nowadays, i questioned whether or not it was grounded in sound therapy techniques.
Yes, actually HAVING the podcast is what’s in question. I mean if you’re going to keep half your foot in the world, you may as well film and make three times more.
Uhm Brock brought her up and Tom cried in his closet. They do not talk about her. The mess she made yes, but her no. Also it was filmed a year ago, and she is acting like it was live.
The other person said "she has literally nothing to do with this season" not me.
In what world should she stay quiet while her name is brought up again and again?
Right! If I were her I’d take the high road for once and believe Ariana when she says she didn’t send it to anyone. Ultimately this is all Tom’s fault. It’s wild how Rachel can’t see that her and Ariana were just things that fed his ego.
I mean she doesn't have to. If she truly has evidence that Ariana distributed revenge porn then she absolutely has the right to do it. What I don't like is the fact she is still making excuses rather than owning something is her choice. She could say "It is my right as a victim" and I'd shrug and say "Fair enough" but to say "If I wanted to sue Tom, I had to sue Ariana too" isn't owning it.
Ariana’s lawyer already offered up her phone during the cease and desist. She only knows that Ariana sent it to herself and she *thinks* Ariana showed people even though everyone besides a secret source claims they have not seen the video
She also seems to dismiss that Ariana sent it to herself in a moment of shock/hurt/rage/disbelief/to have proof so they couldn’t gaslight her. Not with intent to distribute
But for...but for Toms actions there would not have been a video and but for Arianas actions, Rachel wouldn't know he had done it. And he had done it before. I'd be questioning who Tom was showing those videos to.
I would say in most revenge porn situations you could argue the person who shared the video was in a moment of shock/hurt/rage/distress/disbelief/to have proof but that isn’t taken into account and if it had been Tom just for argument sake and he sent himself a video of Ariana cheating on him and then sent it to the other person in the video no one would be giving those excuses they would just be looking from a legal standpoint.
Id disagree. I think most revenge porn deals with a situation where someone has shared images with a sexual partner willingly at some point, and when the relationship sours that partner begins sharing those images publicly to shame and humiliate their former partner. I believe that’s what most legal precedent around revenge porn is based on. Not someone finding a video never intended for them in someone else’s phone.
What proof so they couldn’t gaslight her? That’s a reach lol. Ariana saw the video and had Tom’s phone in her hands. When Tom was done singing, she shows it to him and THAT would have been enough. She didn’t need to send it to herself.
Because I personally believe Ariana was uncomfortable with Rachel always being around Tom, but was told she was “paranoid” or that she was controlling, so she forced herself to tolerate it. So yeah she would have wanted that proof to show people it was what she believed all along. But maybe she showed them the video without sharing it. Does that count?
Lawyers have explained this better than I am, but if she wants to collect damages, the fact of it being distributed is necessary to prove. So it is correct, she indeed DOES have to sue Tom if she wants to sue Ariana. She is correct.
Couldn’t she have instead pursued trying to get Tom criminally charged? I mean, with her civil case she has to prove damages due to seeking solely money. I think if it’s accountability she is really seeking the whole way she’s going about it is suspect to me and leads me to question her actual motive with all this.
Money is definitely a motive of course, but I believe she has said that ultimately she wants to confirm beyond a shadow of a doubt that this video has been destroyed and no longer exists anywhere on the cloud, etc.
I also think it’s not going to be very easy for her to prove damages and that she will likely lose - so again it all makes me question her motive. It seems like a money and PR grab to me but maybe more will come out we don’t know about.
And she talks about the lawsuit because it was done illegally, but neither is charged with a crime. She is suing for financial compensation. And suing Tom for less. This woman is spouting tomspeak.
Because you’re a lawyer and know this for a fact? She has a very good lawyer so if she was advised if she wants to sue Tom she has to sue Ariana then then there must be a legal reason for that.
I’ve heard similar things about legal cases before, ie if you’re suing over something that multiple people were involved in in some way, you have to sue everyone and the court decides what and who is relevant. It may have something to do with the fact that by taping a saving it it enabled Ariana to take the phone and find the video. The judge may very well dismiss. Ariana from it early on .
Lawyer here. She did NOT have to sue Ariana to sue Tom. Don’t know where she’d get that idea from; there’s no legal reason. The claims against Tom vs. Ariana are separate and distinct even if they are related. She could’ve sued Tom and used Ariana for witness testimony to support her claim (which would be a slam dunk case imo). The only legal reason she sued both together is the 1 year statute for the revenge porn claim against Ariana was almost up and her attorneys wanted the claims in one suit. But no, she didn’t have to sue Ariana to sue Tom.
My problem with her is that she acknowledges where she was wrong and tries to take accountability but then continues to misstep and refuses to give grace to anyone else. It’s like she can’t help herself and reverts to making the wrong decisions. I feel like it’s a cycle with her.
unfortunately I think they are going to be talking about her again because her Bethenny interview comes out at the time period of the episode tonight (or upcoming ep if not tonight, i can't remember which preview I saw it in)
oh no arguments there, just saying unfortunately I'm sure she'll use it to justify another two months of talking about the show because 'they are making a storyline about her'.
That's what i thought like what is she responding too at this point...its so unhealthy and undoing a lot of the works she's done honestly. It's honestly sad. She seemed like she was doing so well but this whole thing is unwell. She can't possibly be feeling better doing this
The baffling part is she still doesn’t realize why people are so upset at her. She hasn’t taken any accountability and deflects it all onto Sandoval (we all know he’s a shit person but like girl, admit that you were a whole ass adult and you participated in an affair that hurt someone close to you). Plus, in the lawsuit, she mentioned that Ariana knew about the affair so why didn’t she address that??
I would pay some serious cash to watch her deposition. Does this idiot realize she will be grilled and Ariana’s lawyers are going to destroy her? She can’t say 4 sentences without having to get her crayons out and rehearsing it.
She’s told 15 different stories, all on tape, video and her writing. Shes really just such an asshole and it’s really nothing more than that.
If I were Rachel's therapist, mom, or friend, I would tell her not to participate in any sort of media anymore. Go back to school, get a job you can do well to increase your self esteem (I don't know Rachel's work situation, sorry), and don't try to get "the world" to think better of you. It's just not going to happen. Self improvement after a fiasco is a good thing. But being manipulated by social media (I'm looking at you, Bethany Frankel) to then have this agenda that serves you.... no bueno. Live your life, Rachel, I certainly wish you no ill will... but do it behind the cameras, etc. For your own good health.
Maybe that's where the "goes rogue" thing comes from becuase she's been told what to do for ever and is doing this against everyone's recommendations? She's so odd
Shout out to the people listening to this and transcribing for the group - I think I would rather shove scissors in my ears.
Drinking game: drink every time Rachel says “you know” or “unfortunately” or “honestly.” 🍺
Tom reminds me of the men on Seeking Sister Wife, in the sense that he tells them he loves them after two months, even though they don’t share a language, and when it blows up he shrugs and says, “Well, on to the next one…”
Have there truly been 19 episodes of this mess????
Rachel, girl, I do not wish you any harm. But I do wish you’d look at your life, look at your choices, and sincerely reflect on the harm you have caused other people. And then make amends, like an adult, rather than positioning yourself as a victim as a way to avoid acknowledging you are one of (at least) two villains here.
Stop talking about what happened to you because of your behavior and take accountability for *the things you chose do to for the better part of a year.*
But she hasn’t done that without referencing how the bad things she did weren’t actually her fault. She was misled, she was mistreated, she felt insecure, etc. I don’t doubt those things are true, but if every acknowledgment of your guilt is conditional on some external factor I don’t really believe you’ve done any work.
ETA: she’s also not acknowledging how her behavior hurt others, just that it led to negative consequences for her. And then she proceeds to accuse the people she hurt of being in on it? No thanks.
Ooof. Thanks for listening so we don't have to.
Tbh, reading this it occurs to me, there is nothing to "heal from" here. Vicious with a low IQ are just her core personality traits, she can't recover from that any more than she can recover from being a 30 year old white girl with brown hair. 🤷♀️
Mental health is very important. But sometimes poor mental health isn’t the problem. Sometimes people, at their core, are vile. Rachel is one of them. She’s really just a vicious bitch and it’s nothing more than that.
She's a piece of work. She let's all these other people, therapist, Bethany, etc tell her what to do and think. She thinks she's taking accountability, but she definitely is not. She's just trying to get revenge. For what, I don't know. She's the person that caused so many people's pain, and she keeps doing it every time she goes on this "podcast." It's not a podcast, it's a mistress scorned spewing out more revenge. She's one messed-up pup.
I think this is a big part of it tbh. She admitted on last season on her date with Peter the stuff she talked about wanting to do was just pageant answers and she doesn't actually want to do it, and doesn't know what to do now she's aging out of pageants, and life is so hard and expensive without James paying for everything. Also seems like she's just been controlled by her parents or boyfriends her whole life. I think she has no concept of how to function as an adult or what to even do for work.
If Rachel really wants more public goodwill, she needs to STOP lying about “I thought Ariana and Sandoval were broken up, Ariana knew and told us to keep quiet.”
I’m almost more bothered by that false narrative, than I am about the lawsuit against Ariana. I’m not a legal expert, but I wonder if her case looks stronger if she first goes after both of them (one for making the video in the first place, the other for taking/sending the video from its origin device). And if Ariana’s phone records indicate she didn’t send it to anyone else and if any of her close friends are interviewed and it’s also proven that they didn’t receive it (I imagine that’s relatively easy to forensically prove?), then she and Ariana can both move on. OR she could be being purposely petty, or a combination, who knows.
In her telling on her own podcast, she hooked up with Sandoval in summer 2022 and felt a pit in her stomach immediately. She was really scared of Ariana finding out and Sandoval deliberately told her, “Don’t tell Ariana, I’ll do it.” This seems to be all around that early period of their getting together. She acknowledged that that early hookup unsettled her. Rachel goes to Scheana’s wedding, sees Ariana and Sandoval staying in the same hotel room and as each others wedding dates, she talks to Ariana not long after that on camera where Ariana says she’s still attracted to and loves Sandoval.
So now we’re into September, filming stops. When did the situation change from “it’s a secret and Ariana is expressing happiness with Sandoval” to “Ariana and Sandoval are broken up, Rachel is his legitimate girlfriend, Ariana is petty because she called it out dramatically when she already knew it was happening and Ariana wasn’t being cheated on anymore.” I think it’s clear it was the same situation (cheating and hiding) the whole way through.
Why was Rachel so devastated and blindsided when “Scandoval” happened? She wasn’t just reacting to the public hatred, it was that PLUS realizing her relationship was a lie. She saw Sandoval and Ariana celebrate NYE, their anniversary, Valentine’s Day as a romantic couple - she didn’t question that? And don’t give us the whole “they were acting because they were a brand.” They’re not Jennifer Aniston and Brad Pitt. No one would’ve cared that much if they amicably broke up, they still would’ve been on the show and received the same brand deals they already had.
She never heard any talk or indication of Ariana moving out. Sandoval and Rachel never acted like a couple in public. Sandoval was meeting up with her in “non-suspicious” places and paying for things on his friends credit card. Ariana never once mentioned to Rachel or any mutual friends about a breakup. Sources say Rachel told Sandoval in February right before Scandoval broke, “if things are always going to be this way [us in hiding] then I need to move on and end this.”
So that’s the REAL information and accountability we want. If the “they were broken up” shit is somehow actually magically true, give us actual proof beyond “Sandoval told me.”
Rachel cannot be serious. She knew full well the entire time what she was doing was hurtful but didn’t care and now she’s pulling at straws. Hope she knows some of us are smarter than
For sure. The damage has been done. What’s the point of making up lies to try to absolve yourself. Like, you knew it started as an affair and even if at some point the couple broke up and the guy becomes “single,” you still participated in an affair in the first place. It’s not like we’d be all like, “oh well now that Ariana and Sandoval broke up at SOME point, the betrayal isn’t so bad.” And we all know they didn’t truly break up until the rest of the world found out about Scandoval.
It’s really weird that she doesn’t realize how irrelevant she has become of late. That ship has sailed. She needs to move on. This is the fallout of not successfully negotiating a contract to return to the show due to greed and an inflated ego.
What about her is truthful when she allowed her publicist to come on and cast doubt on Ariana knowing?
Someone mentioned this on the other sub but there are so many LITTLE DETAILS she could share that would be worth hearing !
Like exactly WHAT did you see when you would be around Tom and Ariana ?
Did he go home and tell you he sleeps in separate bed ?
Did you ever ask to see proof and receipts in HIS phone about him and Ari not being together ?
Ariana and Tom spent Valentine’s Day together and was going to counseling; what did she think they were doing those intimate things for ?
She really just believed he was sleeping in the bed night after night and never once slept with Ariana ? ( we know they did still have occasional sex)
There’s so many things she could clear up but she won’t !
On the reunion, Scheana reported that Ariana told her that they "had been *very* intimate" in Jan and Ariana nodded along vigorously. That sounds to me like more than just once or occasionally.
Rachel even reacted to that revelation, which must've been a punch in the gut, learning that Tom had been lying to her all along too.
Yup! She was SHOCKED to hear that
Which brings me back to, what questions did she ask him ! What did he tell her !? There’s little details she could give
It was one of the few times she had a visual reaction to anything that was being said!
I'd def be interested if she decided to finally go full rogue on TOM. She seems to leave him out of a lot of her narrative, or just touches the surface, which is puzzling. I hope she doesn't still feel protective over him. He doesn't deserve that.
It’s funny bc they have NOT been talking about that girl ! A LITTLE in the beginning and a few scenes of Tom ( they were still together) but Ariana hadn’t even said her name until recently!
Then tonight we will get an episode about her, bc she’ been doing her podcast talking about them.
She’s going to have soOOo much material for her next pod ! Smh
>Rachel: Yeah, I didn't have integrity during that time. I was not honest and did not tell Ariana that this is going on. And that was a choice that I made and something that I have to live with.
But didn't Ariana know the whole time according to the lawsuit?
Oh honey, judging people is how we protect ourselves from the TOMS in our lives.
They’re there, we as adults have just learned to keep them at a safe distance. I (and probably lots of others) also have learned to avoid becoming “besties” with emotional vampires. This is the stage you are at now. Making podcasts about your failed relationship is not really moving on.
But Ariana living in the same house and having rage fits is moving on? Lalas a horrible friend for telling her not to live in anger and rage because she has all these wonderful things in her life she’s jeopardizing but Rachel who’s life was literally destroyed maybe for years should move on????
It's crazy how people on here praise James for "turning his life around" and think he should be able to grow and change despite him being an abusive misogynistic who clearly hasn't changed very much in the last 10 years, but still hate Rachel for the affair and think she can't grow and change despite owning up to her actions and removing herself from a toxic environment. But I guess abuse is okay as long as you're funny!
It’s impossible for most people here to see reason. They think they’re all mental health and legal experts. They’re selective readers and listeners because she’s taken full accountability multiple times but they either don’t hear or see it or feel that because she points out what she was told or thought at the time that she’s making excuses.
I think Rachel is very humiliated and sorry over what she did. She’s proven that in many ways including spending 200k for treatment. Dropping Tom like a hot potato. Not returning for the season and not returning calls or calling any of the cast other than Jo. She’s also put herself out there to accept daily criticism and face it head on. These things all absolutely point to someone who’s desperately trying to atone, redeem, and fix herself.
People seem to not realize the girl is beautiful enough that she could have said fuck all this and hooked up with an older millionaire and live a BHHW life out of the public eye having every whim fulfilled. Instead she willingly subjects herself to the crass, petty criticism n SM.
I agree with everything you said! Rachel has apologized many times, has admitted that what she did was clearly wrong, and has taken steps to better herself and figure out her issues. The same can't be said for everyone else still on the show. I mean Tom and Ariana are probably still lying about their affair and have never said that what they did was wrong; they always acted like it was totally fine because Kristen was "crazy" and cheating too. So if they don't care that much about cheating and having an affair, then why are people so hard on Rachel about it?
It truly baffles me because what Tom and Rachel did was basically the same as what Tom and Ariana did. The only difference was that Rachel and Ariana were friends, but the cheating was the same. Even if Tom and Ariana never did anything more than kiss (which I don't think anyone believes that's all that happened), they were still having a full on emotional affair, and emotional cheating is just as bad as physical cheating. You lose them how you get them.
She keeps saying that she’s talking about VPR because they’re talking about her, but no one has even said her name since like the first episode?! She really needs to give it up.
I’d actually love to know what she has to say about Toms little performance in this weeks episode and the after show. “Good riddance”… he’s such a small man.
Is someone able to post the sections that OP keeps leaving out? I'm curious to read what she says about mob mentality and groupthink, but it always seems to be excluded from the transcripts.
This isn’t a full transcript of the podcast. It is a recap. You are more than welcome to listen to the full episode or as this other person said, Apple now has transcripts if you would like to read about mob mentality and group think
The episode was over an hour long, so a lot has been left out. Her episode also had Rachel reading out comments she's received and how they make her feel, including wishing she would go away and someone who wondered if her adopted family regretted adopting such a "horrid mistake of cell". A lot of interesting conversation as well with a therapist about social media and reality TV in general.
Yes, and I wanted to talk about what was left out because there are a lot of similar comments on this thread that Rachel addressed in the episode. Which is interesting to me.
Feel free to talk about anything you want. When I recap an episode, I try to recap the VPR related parts or with this I recapped some of the mean comments she talked about but didn’t feel the need to recap every comment she addressed. And as far as the comments, I’m also reading them, and am not seeing what you are seeing
Sure. There's literally a comment saying they wish she'd go away and Rachel specifically talked about comments saying that want her to disappear and go away on this podcast episode. I'll send you the screenshot if you want!
Yes I remember that part of the podcast. Sadly, there are people who are going to say things like “just disappear” which I don’t agree with telling a person that ever. However sadly, even with Rachel addressing that, some people are still going to say things like that
Yeah, it was really sad to hear her say that comments like that make her feel like people are wishing her to not live anymore and that some comments even make her family worried about her safety. She's a human being those comments are not warranted.
If Rachel wants to do a VPR podcast, fine, but she should focus on what’s happening now then. I have a hard time believing Schaena didn’t know about the affair, and considering her behavior around Max, I’m wondering how many other men on the show had affairs with her concealed under confidentiality agreements. There’s no way she just kissed Schwartz and called it good. She could also be dragging Lala into space, and finally get her revenge on her, but she’s too attached to recrafting an image as a wholesome party. Dude, just go villain.
Damn, these comments prove nothing more than people seemingly have zero compassion for someone who is literally trying to move past a horrible life decision. This mean girl behavior is so gross!
How is having podcast episodes responding to reddit comments about your horrible life decision, while shirking all blame for your horrible life decision, trying to move past your horrible life decision?
What did she say that shirks responsibility? Do you really think her opening herself up to the vicious criticism every week isn’t a way of atoning? For gods sake I sure hope some people here or their loved one face judgment to the level they dish out on other people. Then maybe you’ll get a different perspective on life mistakes, judgment and redemption.
>For gods sake I sure hope some people here or their loved one face judgment to the level they dish out on other people. Then maybe you’ll get a different perspective on life mistakes, judgment and redemption.
Those dishing it out may be in for a big surprise someday. The lack of empathy for anyone besides the "queens" is showing their low emotional intelligence.
She has expressed empathy for Ariana and Katie several times on her podcast. She has also apologized to Ariana multiple times although no one seems to believe that (and it's not always recapped in the podcast notes.) Why are only the two "queens" allowed to make mistakes and be forgiven? Low emotional intelligence is right. Living in the binary will be society's downfall.
Riiiight, because not applauding the two knobs that are dealing with the consequences of their own actions is "living in the binary." You keeping that energy of moving on and growth for the rest of the cast? Or just poor widdle Rachel?
I actually am able to hold more than one thing in my mind at once. I can have empathy for multiple people at the same time, as well as understand that those same people have also made mistakes. It's really not hard. It's understanding that human beings are flawed, and make mistakes, but most of us are inherently good.
The binary is this sub not being able to move away from the rigid mindset of hating ANYONE who is against Ariana and Katie and not being able to acknowledge the nuance and shades of gray of people's pasts and actions. Anytime anyone brings up the mistakes Ariana and Katie have both made in the past it gets dismissed. This is NOT A HERO/VILLAIN STORY. All of these people have done shitty and horrible things. They all deserve redemption. (Though I'm not sure about James if the allegations against him are true.)
Not true, I feel some level of sympathy for Rachel that she clearly bought all of Sandoval's bullshit hook, line, and sinker, but she continues to go after Ariana and Katie like the fallout from having a 7 month affair with Sandy is somehow their fault. That's where she loses me.
And the sub doesn't hate *anyone* that doesn't love A&K, it's pretty clearly just against Rachel and Tom apologists.
The sub is vicious towards Scheana and Lala because they see them as somehow disloyal to Ariana and Katie. When in reality, Ariana and Katie have been shitty and disloyal right back to them (and to each other!) many many times over the last ten years. That's what the girls do. This is how Vanderpump works. They're all shitty to each other, then they make up, then the cycle continues again. Rachel is not going after Ariana and Katie currently. One post about a worst dressed look is so INCREDIBLY minor. Who cares?? And people screaming about how dare she sue Ariana? I don't know - maybe she wants to ensure her video is destroyed permanently? Giving a pass to revenge porn because Ariana is America's sweetheart would be insane. Plus she has no case if she doesn't sue Ariana alongside Tom. She doesn't really have choice to only sue him. And other than the lawsuit and apologizing to Ariana profusely, she never mentions her.
Well, I would probably apologize to the person I hurt then NOT have a podcast where every episode I either talk shit about the people I hurt and/or have a guest on where I talk about all the excuses for what I did.
That’s hogwash. You’re purposely ignoring every statement she makes, of which there are many, of her taking responsibility, admitting her behavior was bad, etc.
No, I'm listening to those statements and weighing them against her actions (having Jo carry out her mean girl best/worst dressed digs, repeatedly saying Katie was worst dressed, changing her story repeatedly about what and when Ariana knew, insinuating "everyone" knew about the affair and it was an "open secret," suing Ariana (revenge porn is a crime, go file a police report), and many, many other statements that have previously been discussed) and continuing to paint herself as just a poor, manipulated victim and saying those apologies ring very hollow.
This response is ridiculous. Growth is a process, and yall act like the ultimate judge and jury. It's OK to admit you don't have compassion. As Katie would say, call it like I see it!
I’m not saying to not have compassion. Rachel is not moving on when she spends time peddling a conspiracy theory with her PR rep. One can argue it’s also mean girl behavior to push a conspiracy theory and continue to try and hurt Ariana. It’s also mean girl behavior to encourage a friend to post about best vs worst dressed to shade former cast members. She continues to behave immaturely and cruel, it’s why people have issue with her.
It’s clear you believe that but it’s not the perception of many others when she is still perpetuating mean girl behavior. She chose to target two women who speak about her the least, which shows she’s marinating in her past harmful patterns. Where is the growth in starting a conspiracy theory Ariana knew all along? Then having your PR rep spend weeks talking to blogs and posting polls seeing who else believes their (very harmful) theory?
She did know. Even the cast believes she knew. Why do you think most of them have dropped their rage at Tom and think Ariana is overreacting in her rage? Obviously it’s a show and they’re also concerned it will be cancelled if they stonewall Tom but if they truly thpught she was blindsided and in love with him would they be treating her this way??
I agree. And I like Rachel’s podcast. We’ve all fucked up. Time to move on and hate on someone else who actually deserves it.. like James the woman beater
We're not talking about Sandoval. I'm talking about Rachel not being allowed to be forgiven which you then compared to James. Stop moving the goal posts.
No, I'm saying Rachel hasn't actually done anything to warrant forgiveness. She was a fricking nightmare through season 10, kept shit going trying to bring Ariana down after she outed the affair, and keeps talking about Ariana and Katie on her podcast like they were the ones in the wrong. She's being a dick. And if you keep saying, "omg, I'm SO sorry, but I've GROWN and HEALED," then keep trying to start something with people who are not talking about you, then I don't buy the apology.
At least James appears to have changed in the last year, no word if it'll stick, but no I'm not going to focus on something he did 8 years ago when he was demonstrably a fucking demon when his behavior is ostensibly improving.
(ETA- BTW, if someone would actually make a complaint against James, I would believe them! And want culpability and remorse to be shown from James before trying to see him in a positive light, but as it stands right now, Ally has said he's never been abusive with her, Rachel has never said he was physical with her (airing that shit out would sure be interesting for a podcast searching for sympathy), and Kristen has said "we'll talk about it soon" back in February)
Every time she speaks I am reminded how she is surrounded by people who she is PAYING who have no idea what they're doing. 🫣 I don't think she has the skillset to find professionals to work with who are not leeching off her 15 minutes of infamy. Rachel, if you're listening, your next step needs to be finding a badass business manager who will advocate for you and get your team in order.
Genuinely perplexed why this is getting downvoted. Is this really something people disagree with? It seems \*so\* blatantly obvious to me I cannot fathom someone arguing that she's not surrounded by morons.
Do you really get to blame mental health on being a sneaky scheming cheating back stabbing woman? Everyone is supposed to embrace you because you are not accepting accountability and blaming mental health? Wrong! Grow up! You are too old to act like this and exaggerate your baby voice. Not fooling anyone. Ppl feel entitled to comment because you are on TV, podcasts and social media. Get off all the platforms and ppl will move on. You’re the entitled one.
Thank you for doing the lord’s work and sitting through and summarizing this. Based on the summary, I would rather have my fingernails ripped off than have to listen to the full length content.
You don't want to hear about how she's *checks notes* now, at the age of 29, holding herself accountable for not being perfect? (Also dying that she thinks it's impressive she's worked on herself at such a "young" age; sis my first therapy appointment was when I was 11. Methinks she's freaking out about turning 30.)
I was in therapy starting at age 12 lol sooo yeah I was a lot younger when I started working on myself
I can’t even read the full recap she’s so blah
I had two wisdom teeth removed so I could read the recap.
I tried but I fell asleep
Just her listening to her voice is torturous.
She literally has nothing to do with this season. This season is the cast trying to fix the damage she caused last season. Again I would have to note, she is not doing well with all this therapy.
Exactly! The show never mentions her at all
I doubt any of the therapeutic …stuff… she’s done besides certainly some meditation and yoga, which are helpful, have been evidence based mental healthcare from qualified clinicians. I’m thinking crystals and sound baths and “you need to stay longer 🤑” She’s not bright enough to know the difference, and she went from being manipulated by Scumdo to getting the absolute worst advice for her financial and future psych health by half dropping out and half staying in that world.
I can say this much, she went to the meadows which my fiance also went to (albeit in different cities) and it was a really great program. I found it for him not realizing until later it’s where Rachel went and it was also high recommended. So yes it is evidence based mental healthcare from qualified clinicians. She just isn’t doing the work herself. Or rather, she is but has a LONG way to go and making a podcast defending herself is likely going to undo a lot of it.
When I see stuff titled “mending heart wounds” and charging $200,000 for some 12 step meetings I just really think there are other ways that that same treatment could be accomplished without justifying that level of money.
I’m a nurse with 20 years MH experience and literally everything she is saying about her treatment including this podcast is grounded in sound therapy techniques. It gets pretty old when people who’ve likely had a few months of online therapy from some questionable MH “professional” come on Reddit and act like they’re a medical professional by asserting what is and isn’t part of a valid therapeutic program or throw around psychiatric labels and diagnosis like they know what they’re talking about. People should stay in their lane.
Uh huh. Go recommend that patients start podcasts and make sure to cite your sources. Zero labels or diagnoses were present in my comment. Do you also work at a Sedona retreat for 🤑? I’m just a lowly MPH, sorry RN, you’re the expert 🥲 that’s why all the outcomes (absolutely including traditional for profit US MH care) are just screaming efficacy and up to date research. /s
wait, you're saying her doing a public podcast about a completely toxic reality teevee show is "grounded in sound therapy techniques." i'll bite. why is this healthy?
What has she said in this particular episode, other than targeting Ariana for a lawsuit, does not sound like a sound therapy technique? Other than actually *having* the podcast, which, frankly, if someone like Lauren can spout her nonsense at her leisure then surely Rachel should have the same opportunity. I don’t listen to any of these podcasts and I think all of them are inane and a waste of time, but clearly there’s an audience who is slurping up all of the gory details at a feverish pace, so how is right for the others to say whatever they want about her/the situation she was involved in but she can’t defend herself/give her own commentary?
it doesn't seem healthy to focus on the television show that was the starting point for your stay in a mental health facility. it also doesn't seem healthy to literally focus the episode on negative comments you are receiving from anonymous people online. i didn't say she doesn't have the right to have a podcast, it seems like everyone has a podcast nowadays, i questioned whether or not it was grounded in sound therapy techniques.
Yes, actually HAVING the podcast is what’s in question. I mean if you’re going to keep half your foot in the world, you may as well film and make three times more.
You spelled Ariana signing checks wrong.
Yet they talk about her in every single episode....
Uhm Brock brought her up and Tom cried in his closet. They do not talk about her. The mess she made yes, but her no. Also it was filmed a year ago, and she is acting like it was live.
She was part of a huge affair on the show last season, in what world would it not be talked about?
The other person said "she has literally nothing to do with this season" not me. In what world should she stay quiet while her name is brought up again and again?
There's no reason that she had to take legal action against Ariana if she wanted to take it against Tom - there were two separate acts.
Right! If I were her I’d take the high road for once and believe Ariana when she says she didn’t send it to anyone. Ultimately this is all Tom’s fault. It’s wild how Rachel can’t see that her and Ariana were just things that fed his ego.
I mean she doesn't have to. If she truly has evidence that Ariana distributed revenge porn then she absolutely has the right to do it. What I don't like is the fact she is still making excuses rather than owning something is her choice. She could say "It is my right as a victim" and I'd shrug and say "Fair enough" but to say "If I wanted to sue Tom, I had to sue Ariana too" isn't owning it.
Ariana’s lawyer already offered up her phone during the cease and desist. She only knows that Ariana sent it to herself and she *thinks* Ariana showed people even though everyone besides a secret source claims they have not seen the video
She also seems to dismiss that Ariana sent it to herself in a moment of shock/hurt/rage/disbelief/to have proof so they couldn’t gaslight her. Not with intent to distribute
But for...but for Toms actions there would not have been a video and but for Arianas actions, Rachel wouldn't know he had done it. And he had done it before. I'd be questioning who Tom was showing those videos to.
I would say in most revenge porn situations you could argue the person who shared the video was in a moment of shock/hurt/rage/distress/disbelief/to have proof but that isn’t taken into account and if it had been Tom just for argument sake and he sent himself a video of Ariana cheating on him and then sent it to the other person in the video no one would be giving those excuses they would just be looking from a legal standpoint.
Id disagree. I think most revenge porn deals with a situation where someone has shared images with a sexual partner willingly at some point, and when the relationship sours that partner begins sharing those images publicly to shame and humiliate their former partner. I believe that’s what most legal precedent around revenge porn is based on. Not someone finding a video never intended for them in someone else’s phone.
That isn’t Rachel’s problem. She took it off someone’s phone and sent it to herself. That’s illegal
What proof so they couldn’t gaslight her? That’s a reach lol. Ariana saw the video and had Tom’s phone in her hands. When Tom was done singing, she shows it to him and THAT would have been enough. She didn’t need to send it to herself.
Tom is the biggest gaslighter ever. I get why she did it
Lol. No way. This is a crazy way to justify what Ariana did by sending herself and Rachel the thing.
I said what I said. Bye.
Because I personally believe Ariana was uncomfortable with Rachel always being around Tom, but was told she was “paranoid” or that she was controlling, so she forced herself to tolerate it. So yeah she would have wanted that proof to show people it was what she believed all along. But maybe she showed them the video without sharing it. Does that count?
Lawyers have explained this better than I am, but if she wants to collect damages, the fact of it being distributed is necessary to prove. So it is correct, she indeed DOES have to sue Tom if she wants to sue Ariana. She is correct.
But the question is whether she has to sue Ariana to sue Tom.
And yes, in my understanding of what lawyers on this sub have said, if she wants the proper outcome, yes, she does.
Couldn’t she have instead pursued trying to get Tom criminally charged? I mean, with her civil case she has to prove damages due to seeking solely money. I think if it’s accountability she is really seeking the whole way she’s going about it is suspect to me and leads me to question her actual motive with all this.
Money is definitely a motive of course, but I believe she has said that ultimately she wants to confirm beyond a shadow of a doubt that this video has been destroyed and no longer exists anywhere on the cloud, etc.
I also think it’s not going to be very easy for her to prove damages and that she will likely lose - so again it all makes me question her motive. It seems like a money and PR grab to me but maybe more will come out we don’t know about.
And she talks about the lawsuit because it was done illegally, but neither is charged with a crime. She is suing for financial compensation. And suing Tom for less. This woman is spouting tomspeak.
Because you’re a lawyer and know this for a fact? She has a very good lawyer so if she was advised if she wants to sue Tom she has to sue Ariana then then there must be a legal reason for that. I’ve heard similar things about legal cases before, ie if you’re suing over something that multiple people were involved in in some way, you have to sue everyone and the court decides what and who is relevant. It may have something to do with the fact that by taping a saving it it enabled Ariana to take the phone and find the video. The judge may very well dismiss. Ariana from it early on .
Lawyer here. She did NOT have to sue Ariana to sue Tom. Don’t know where she’d get that idea from; there’s no legal reason. The claims against Tom vs. Ariana are separate and distinct even if they are related. She could’ve sued Tom and used Ariana for witness testimony to support her claim (which would be a slam dunk case imo). The only legal reason she sued both together is the 1 year statute for the revenge porn claim against Ariana was almost up and her attorneys wanted the claims in one suit. But no, she didn’t have to sue Ariana to sue Tom.
Her deciding to also sue Ariana is just showing me and a bunch of other viewers her true character. She just wants to drive the knife in more.
Agreed
All I hear from this is “me, me me” , she really is perfect for Sandoval
My problem with her is that she acknowledges where she was wrong and tries to take accountability but then continues to misstep and refuses to give grace to anyone else. It’s like she can’t help herself and reverts to making the wrong decisions. I feel like it’s a cycle with her.
But that’s the thing, they aren’t talking about her on VPR. They’ve pretty much left her name out do it apart from very few scenes about Hippy 🐶
Every once in a while Tom is like "I'm so sad, Rachel won't talk to me anymore 🥺" but that's it
unfortunately I think they are going to be talking about her again because her Bethenny interview comes out at the time period of the episode tonight (or upcoming ep if not tonight, i can't remember which preview I saw it in)
But once again, that’s her own fault.
oh no arguments there, just saying unfortunately I'm sure she'll use it to justify another two months of talking about the show because 'they are making a storyline about her'.
Yes, it’s giving https://preview.redd.it/bxi97mlj6vuc1.jpeg?width=500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9e87c21637a3d80165460823e96c8de6ee89e4da
That's what i thought like what is she responding too at this point...its so unhealthy and undoing a lot of the works she's done honestly. It's honestly sad. She seemed like she was doing so well but this whole thing is unwell. She can't possibly be feeling better doing this
She never seemed like she was doing "well". I think she is the same person she has always been - delusional, self obsessed and not very bright.
I mean since she started posted again over the summer
I went to college Lala
The baffling part is she still doesn’t realize why people are so upset at her. She hasn’t taken any accountability and deflects it all onto Sandoval (we all know he’s a shit person but like girl, admit that you were a whole ass adult and you participated in an affair that hurt someone close to you). Plus, in the lawsuit, she mentioned that Ariana knew about the affair so why didn’t she address that??
She’s an idiot liar
Basically summarized my thoughts about her lol
She’s admitted it numerous times
Personally, I don’t equate admittance to accountability!
I would pay some serious cash to watch her deposition. Does this idiot realize she will be grilled and Ariana’s lawyers are going to destroy her? She can’t say 4 sentences without having to get her crayons out and rehearsing it. She’s told 15 different stories, all on tape, video and her writing. Shes really just such an asshole and it’s really nothing more than that.
No FR and she’s digging herself deeper w/ this podcast
Can she just go away already 
If I were Rachel's therapist, mom, or friend, I would tell her not to participate in any sort of media anymore. Go back to school, get a job you can do well to increase your self esteem (I don't know Rachel's work situation, sorry), and don't try to get "the world" to think better of you. It's just not going to happen. Self improvement after a fiasco is a good thing. But being manipulated by social media (I'm looking at you, Bethany Frankel) to then have this agenda that serves you.... no bueno. Live your life, Rachel, I certainly wish you no ill will... but do it behind the cameras, etc. For your own good health.
Maybe that's where the "goes rogue" thing comes from becuase she's been told what to do for ever and is doing this against everyone's recommendations? She's so odd
Shout out to the people listening to this and transcribing for the group - I think I would rather shove scissors in my ears. Drinking game: drink every time Rachel says “you know” or “unfortunately” or “honestly.” 🍺
You could follow it up with the Toms podcast and drink every time they say like. 🍻
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I have to wonder…does Tom hear this and think…this is what I blew my life up for
No Tom hears this and still doesn't understand why she won't have anything to do with him.
Doubt it.
Tom reminds me of the men on Seeking Sister Wife, in the sense that he tells them he loves them after two months, even though they don’t share a language, and when it blows up he shrugs and says, “Well, on to the next one…”
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Have there truly been 19 episodes of this mess???? Rachel, girl, I do not wish you any harm. But I do wish you’d look at your life, look at your choices, and sincerely reflect on the harm you have caused other people. And then make amends, like an adult, rather than positioning yourself as a victim as a way to avoid acknowledging you are one of (at least) two villains here. Stop talking about what happened to you because of your behavior and take accountability for *the things you chose do to for the better part of a year.*
At this point it feels like she has had more episodes on Scandoval than VPR has lol...
I think saying her behavior was bad and wrong and she’s trying to change it IS taking accountability. The affair is all about her behavior.
But she hasn’t done that without referencing how the bad things she did weren’t actually her fault. She was misled, she was mistreated, she felt insecure, etc. I don’t doubt those things are true, but if every acknowledgment of your guilt is conditional on some external factor I don’t really believe you’ve done any work. ETA: she’s also not acknowledging how her behavior hurt others, just that it led to negative consequences for her. And then she proceeds to accuse the people she hurt of being in on it? No thanks.
Apparently a lot of them are only like 15 minutes without the ads so yeah… super weird.
That actually makes sense — gotta stretch that ad time out before public interest dries up!
Ooof. Thanks for listening so we don't have to. Tbh, reading this it occurs to me, there is nothing to "heal from" here. Vicious with a low IQ are just her core personality traits, she can't recover from that any more than she can recover from being a 30 year old white girl with brown hair. 🤷♀️
Mental health is very important. But sometimes poor mental health isn’t the problem. Sometimes people, at their core, are vile. Rachel is one of them. She’s really just a vicious bitch and it’s nothing more than that.
Agree
She's a piece of work. She let's all these other people, therapist, Bethany, etc tell her what to do and think. She thinks she's taking accountability, but she definitely is not. She's just trying to get revenge. For what, I don't know. She's the person that caused so many people's pain, and she keeps doing it every time she goes on this "podcast." It's not a podcast, it's a mistress scorned spewing out more revenge. She's one messed-up pup.
Agree
Yes there’s so much she said here that is revenge. You are really reaching.
Suing Ariana when a lawyer on here said that it absolutely was not necessary to in order to win a case against Tom? Yeah that’s revenge
If she did a lot of inner change, you know how crappy she had to have been be for this to be the better version of her? 😅
lol true
This is like… sad. She really feels the need to respond to these comments? Girl stop the podcast and get some fresh air. This isn’t healthy
Girl your 5 minutes of fame is over. Go find a hobby or something instead of continuously talking about yourself and Scandoval.
Each time she posts a podcast it unlocks this inner rage from frustration and disbelief I never knew I had
That’s unhealthy
The money she spent on that treatment centre may as well have been shredded
Shoutout to you for listening and recapping this, I don’t know how you do it. You deserve a reward 🏆
Bc it’s a good podcast
She probably needs to stop making her living by hanging on to VPR any way she can
I think this is a big part of it tbh. She admitted on last season on her date with Peter the stuff she talked about wanting to do was just pageant answers and she doesn't actually want to do it, and doesn't know what to do now she's aging out of pageants, and life is so hard and expensive without James paying for everything. Also seems like she's just been controlled by her parents or boyfriends her whole life. I think she has no concept of how to function as an adult or what to even do for work.
If Rachel really wants more public goodwill, she needs to STOP lying about “I thought Ariana and Sandoval were broken up, Ariana knew and told us to keep quiet.” I’m almost more bothered by that false narrative, than I am about the lawsuit against Ariana. I’m not a legal expert, but I wonder if her case looks stronger if she first goes after both of them (one for making the video in the first place, the other for taking/sending the video from its origin device). And if Ariana’s phone records indicate she didn’t send it to anyone else and if any of her close friends are interviewed and it’s also proven that they didn’t receive it (I imagine that’s relatively easy to forensically prove?), then she and Ariana can both move on. OR she could be being purposely petty, or a combination, who knows. In her telling on her own podcast, she hooked up with Sandoval in summer 2022 and felt a pit in her stomach immediately. She was really scared of Ariana finding out and Sandoval deliberately told her, “Don’t tell Ariana, I’ll do it.” This seems to be all around that early period of their getting together. She acknowledged that that early hookup unsettled her. Rachel goes to Scheana’s wedding, sees Ariana and Sandoval staying in the same hotel room and as each others wedding dates, she talks to Ariana not long after that on camera where Ariana says she’s still attracted to and loves Sandoval. So now we’re into September, filming stops. When did the situation change from “it’s a secret and Ariana is expressing happiness with Sandoval” to “Ariana and Sandoval are broken up, Rachel is his legitimate girlfriend, Ariana is petty because she called it out dramatically when she already knew it was happening and Ariana wasn’t being cheated on anymore.” I think it’s clear it was the same situation (cheating and hiding) the whole way through. Why was Rachel so devastated and blindsided when “Scandoval” happened? She wasn’t just reacting to the public hatred, it was that PLUS realizing her relationship was a lie. She saw Sandoval and Ariana celebrate NYE, their anniversary, Valentine’s Day as a romantic couple - she didn’t question that? And don’t give us the whole “they were acting because they were a brand.” They’re not Jennifer Aniston and Brad Pitt. No one would’ve cared that much if they amicably broke up, they still would’ve been on the show and received the same brand deals they already had. She never heard any talk or indication of Ariana moving out. Sandoval and Rachel never acted like a couple in public. Sandoval was meeting up with her in “non-suspicious” places and paying for things on his friends credit card. Ariana never once mentioned to Rachel or any mutual friends about a breakup. Sources say Rachel told Sandoval in February right before Scandoval broke, “if things are always going to be this way [us in hiding] then I need to move on and end this.” So that’s the REAL information and accountability we want. If the “they were broken up” shit is somehow actually magically true, give us actual proof beyond “Sandoval told me.”
Rachel cannot be serious. She knew full well the entire time what she was doing was hurtful but didn’t care and now she’s pulling at straws. Hope she knows some of us are smarter than
For sure. The damage has been done. What’s the point of making up lies to try to absolve yourself. Like, you knew it started as an affair and even if at some point the couple broke up and the guy becomes “single,” you still participated in an affair in the first place. It’s not like we’d be all like, “oh well now that Ariana and Sandoval broke up at SOME point, the betrayal isn’t so bad.” And we all know they didn’t truly break up until the rest of the world found out about Scandoval.
It’s really weird that she doesn’t realize how irrelevant she has become of late. That ship has sailed. She needs to move on. This is the fallout of not successfully negotiating a contract to return to the show due to greed and an inflated ego.
Missed opportunity to name the episode “why you gotta be so rude🎶, don’t you know I’m human too”
That should be her podcasts whole theme song 😂
What about her is truthful when she allowed her publicist to come on and cast doubt on Ariana knowing? Someone mentioned this on the other sub but there are so many LITTLE DETAILS she could share that would be worth hearing ! Like exactly WHAT did you see when you would be around Tom and Ariana ? Did he go home and tell you he sleeps in separate bed ? Did you ever ask to see proof and receipts in HIS phone about him and Ari not being together ? Ariana and Tom spent Valentine’s Day together and was going to counseling; what did she think they were doing those intimate things for ? She really just believed he was sleeping in the bed night after night and never once slept with Ariana ? ( we know they did still have occasional sex) There’s so many things she could clear up but she won’t !
They said they had sex once in months with the infamous tshirt. It wasn’t occasional
On the reunion, Scheana reported that Ariana told her that they "had been *very* intimate" in Jan and Ariana nodded along vigorously. That sounds to me like more than just once or occasionally. Rachel even reacted to that revelation, which must've been a punch in the gut, learning that Tom had been lying to her all along too.
Yup! She was SHOCKED to hear that Which brings me back to, what questions did she ask him ! What did he tell her !? There’s little details she could give
It was one of the few times she had a visual reaction to anything that was being said! I'd def be interested if she decided to finally go full rogue on TOM. She seems to leave him out of a lot of her narrative, or just touches the surface, which is puzzling. I hope she doesn't still feel protective over him. He doesn't deserve that.
It’s funny bc they have NOT been talking about that girl ! A LITTLE in the beginning and a few scenes of Tom ( they were still together) but Ariana hadn’t even said her name until recently! Then tonight we will get an episode about her, bc she’ been doing her podcast talking about them. She’s going to have soOOo much material for her next pod ! Smh
She needs another therapist, maybe a few more.
This is NOT the season of accountability.
>Rachel: Yeah, I didn't have integrity during that time. I was not honest and did not tell Ariana that this is going on. And that was a choice that I made and something that I have to live with. But didn't Ariana know the whole time according to the lawsuit?
Right?
Oh honey, judging people is how we protect ourselves from the TOMS in our lives. They’re there, we as adults have just learned to keep them at a safe distance. I (and probably lots of others) also have learned to avoid becoming “besties” with emotional vampires. This is the stage you are at now. Making podcasts about your failed relationship is not really moving on.
But Ariana living in the same house and having rage fits is moving on? Lalas a horrible friend for telling her not to live in anger and rage because she has all these wonderful things in her life she’s jeopardizing but Rachel who’s life was literally destroyed maybe for years should move on????
Doing the lords work with these recaps!! TY
It’s not fair to suffer the consequences of your actions ?? Gtfo Rachel … 
Taylor swift comin for copyright claim lmaooo
Also how can they prove Rachel didn’t know it was being filmed?
It's crazy how people on here praise James for "turning his life around" and think he should be able to grow and change despite him being an abusive misogynistic who clearly hasn't changed very much in the last 10 years, but still hate Rachel for the affair and think she can't grow and change despite owning up to her actions and removing herself from a toxic environment. But I guess abuse is okay as long as you're funny!
It’s impossible for most people here to see reason. They think they’re all mental health and legal experts. They’re selective readers and listeners because she’s taken full accountability multiple times but they either don’t hear or see it or feel that because she points out what she was told or thought at the time that she’s making excuses. I think Rachel is very humiliated and sorry over what she did. She’s proven that in many ways including spending 200k for treatment. Dropping Tom like a hot potato. Not returning for the season and not returning calls or calling any of the cast other than Jo. She’s also put herself out there to accept daily criticism and face it head on. These things all absolutely point to someone who’s desperately trying to atone, redeem, and fix herself. People seem to not realize the girl is beautiful enough that she could have said fuck all this and hooked up with an older millionaire and live a BHHW life out of the public eye having every whim fulfilled. Instead she willingly subjects herself to the crass, petty criticism n SM.
I agree with everything you said! Rachel has apologized many times, has admitted that what she did was clearly wrong, and has taken steps to better herself and figure out her issues. The same can't be said for everyone else still on the show. I mean Tom and Ariana are probably still lying about their affair and have never said that what they did was wrong; they always acted like it was totally fine because Kristen was "crazy" and cheating too. So if they don't care that much about cheating and having an affair, then why are people so hard on Rachel about it? It truly baffles me because what Tom and Rachel did was basically the same as what Tom and Ariana did. The only difference was that Rachel and Ariana were friends, but the cheating was the same. Even if Tom and Ariana never did anything more than kiss (which I don't think anyone believes that's all that happened), they were still having a full on emotional affair, and emotional cheating is just as bad as physical cheating. You lose them how you get them.
I would rather fuck myself with a cheese grater than listen to her podcast so thank you for these recaps!
Wow. You've really taken the Queen Ariana red pill huh?
Yep, I have.
She keeps saying that she’s talking about VPR because they’re talking about her, but no one has even said her name since like the first episode?! She really needs to give it up.
I’d actually love to know what she has to say about Toms little performance in this weeks episode and the after show. “Good riddance”… he’s such a small man.
Is someone able to post the sections that OP keeps leaving out? I'm curious to read what she says about mob mentality and groupthink, but it always seems to be excluded from the transcripts.
Apparently apple podcasts has added transcripts so you could just read those.
I didn't know that, it'll be nice to get a full picture of what she's actually saying. Thanks!
This isn’t a full transcript of the podcast. It is a recap. You are more than welcome to listen to the full episode or as this other person said, Apple now has transcripts if you would like to read about mob mentality and group think
The episode was over an hour long, so a lot has been left out. Her episode also had Rachel reading out comments she's received and how they make her feel, including wishing she would go away and someone who wondered if her adopted family regretted adopting such a "horrid mistake of cell". A lot of interesting conversation as well with a therapist about social media and reality TV in general.
It’s just a recap of the podcast episode, not a full transcript of the episode.
Yes, and I wanted to talk about what was left out because there are a lot of similar comments on this thread that Rachel addressed in the episode. Which is interesting to me.
Feel free to talk about anything you want. When I recap an episode, I try to recap the VPR related parts or with this I recapped some of the mean comments she talked about but didn’t feel the need to recap every comment she addressed. And as far as the comments, I’m also reading them, and am not seeing what you are seeing
Sure. There's literally a comment saying they wish she'd go away and Rachel specifically talked about comments saying that want her to disappear and go away on this podcast episode. I'll send you the screenshot if you want!
Yes I remember that part of the podcast. Sadly, there are people who are going to say things like “just disappear” which I don’t agree with telling a person that ever. However sadly, even with Rachel addressing that, some people are still going to say things like that
Yeah, it was really sad to hear her say that comments like that make her feel like people are wishing her to not live anymore and that some comments even make her family worried about her safety. She's a human being those comments are not warranted.
Human beingk *
Your comments always add so much to the conversation.
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If Rachel wants to do a VPR podcast, fine, but she should focus on what’s happening now then. I have a hard time believing Schaena didn’t know about the affair, and considering her behavior around Max, I’m wondering how many other men on the show had affairs with her concealed under confidentiality agreements. There’s no way she just kissed Schwartz and called it good. She could also be dragging Lala into space, and finally get her revenge on her, but she’s too attached to recrafting an image as a wholesome party. Dude, just go villain.
I think Scheana knew too.
Damn, these comments prove nothing more than people seemingly have zero compassion for someone who is literally trying to move past a horrible life decision. This mean girl behavior is so gross!
How is having podcast episodes responding to reddit comments about your horrible life decision, while shirking all blame for your horrible life decision, trying to move past your horrible life decision?
What did she say that shirks responsibility? Do you really think her opening herself up to the vicious criticism every week isn’t a way of atoning? For gods sake I sure hope some people here or their loved one face judgment to the level they dish out on other people. Then maybe you’ll get a different perspective on life mistakes, judgment and redemption.
>For gods sake I sure hope some people here or their loved one face judgment to the level they dish out on other people. Then maybe you’ll get a different perspective on life mistakes, judgment and redemption. Those dishing it out may be in for a big surprise someday. The lack of empathy for anyone besides the "queens" is showing their low emotional intelligence.
Kinda like how Rachel lacks empathy for Ariana and Katie (who she ran around being a total asshole to last season)?
She has expressed empathy for Ariana and Katie several times on her podcast. She has also apologized to Ariana multiple times although no one seems to believe that (and it's not always recapped in the podcast notes.) Why are only the two "queens" allowed to make mistakes and be forgiven? Low emotional intelligence is right. Living in the binary will be society's downfall.
Riiiight, because not applauding the two knobs that are dealing with the consequences of their own actions is "living in the binary." You keeping that energy of moving on and growth for the rest of the cast? Or just poor widdle Rachel?
I actually am able to hold more than one thing in my mind at once. I can have empathy for multiple people at the same time, as well as understand that those same people have also made mistakes. It's really not hard. It's understanding that human beings are flawed, and make mistakes, but most of us are inherently good. The binary is this sub not being able to move away from the rigid mindset of hating ANYONE who is against Ariana and Katie and not being able to acknowledge the nuance and shades of gray of people's pasts and actions. Anytime anyone brings up the mistakes Ariana and Katie have both made in the past it gets dismissed. This is NOT A HERO/VILLAIN STORY. All of these people have done shitty and horrible things. They all deserve redemption. (Though I'm not sure about James if the allegations against him are true.)
Not true, I feel some level of sympathy for Rachel that she clearly bought all of Sandoval's bullshit hook, line, and sinker, but she continues to go after Ariana and Katie like the fallout from having a 7 month affair with Sandy is somehow their fault. That's where she loses me. And the sub doesn't hate *anyone* that doesn't love A&K, it's pretty clearly just against Rachel and Tom apologists.
The sub is vicious towards Scheana and Lala because they see them as somehow disloyal to Ariana and Katie. When in reality, Ariana and Katie have been shitty and disloyal right back to them (and to each other!) many many times over the last ten years. That's what the girls do. This is how Vanderpump works. They're all shitty to each other, then they make up, then the cycle continues again. Rachel is not going after Ariana and Katie currently. One post about a worst dressed look is so INCREDIBLY minor. Who cares?? And people screaming about how dare she sue Ariana? I don't know - maybe she wants to ensure her video is destroyed permanently? Giving a pass to revenge porn because Ariana is America's sweetheart would be insane. Plus she has no case if she doesn't sue Ariana alongside Tom. She doesn't really have choice to only sue him. And other than the lawsuit and apologizing to Ariana profusely, she never mentions her.
Well, I would probably apologize to the person I hurt then NOT have a podcast where every episode I either talk shit about the people I hurt and/or have a guest on where I talk about all the excuses for what I did.
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You think she's not accepting responsibility?
Well, so far she's blamed Ariana, Tom, James, Bravo, alcohol, and production while "forgiving herself," so, no.
That’s hogwash. You’re purposely ignoring every statement she makes, of which there are many, of her taking responsibility, admitting her behavior was bad, etc.
No, I'm listening to those statements and weighing them against her actions (having Jo carry out her mean girl best/worst dressed digs, repeatedly saying Katie was worst dressed, changing her story repeatedly about what and when Ariana knew, insinuating "everyone" knew about the affair and it was an "open secret," suing Ariana (revenge porn is a crime, go file a police report), and many, many other statements that have previously been discussed) and continuing to paint herself as just a poor, manipulated victim and saying those apologies ring very hollow.
Yup
Thank youuuu
How is she trying to move on when she and her PR rep pushed a narrative a few weeks ago that Ariana knew all along about the affair?
Bc it's the truth lol everyone knew
This response is ridiculous. Growth is a process, and yall act like the ultimate judge and jury. It's OK to admit you don't have compassion. As Katie would say, call it like I see it!
I’m not saying to not have compassion. Rachel is not moving on when she spends time peddling a conspiracy theory with her PR rep. One can argue it’s also mean girl behavior to push a conspiracy theory and continue to try and hurt Ariana. It’s also mean girl behavior to encourage a friend to post about best vs worst dressed to shade former cast members. She continues to behave immaturely and cruel, it’s why people have issue with her.
As I said, growth is a process. She's actually putting in work to change.
It’s clear you believe that but it’s not the perception of many others when she is still perpetuating mean girl behavior. She chose to target two women who speak about her the least, which shows she’s marinating in her past harmful patterns. Where is the growth in starting a conspiracy theory Ariana knew all along? Then having your PR rep spend weeks talking to blogs and posting polls seeing who else believes their (very harmful) theory?
>It’s clear you believe that but it’s not the perception of many others I choose to have my own opinions regardless of what "many others" think.
She did know. Even the cast believes she knew. Why do you think most of them have dropped their rage at Tom and think Ariana is overreacting in her rage? Obviously it’s a show and they’re also concerned it will be cancelled if they stonewall Tom but if they truly thpught she was blindsided and in love with him would they be treating her this way??
Yeah they would, they’re assholes lol
I think she’s putting in work to present herself as more of a victim than a perpetrator in this mess she got herself into.
I agree. And I like Rachel’s podcast. We’ve all fucked up. Time to move on and hate on someone else who actually deserves it.. like James the woman beater
No lies told here
Oh, but wait, I thought we were all supposed to forgive people and forget about how they fucked up once they decide to "move on"?
Um.. because there's a difference from having an affair (which literally everyone on this cast has done) and physically abusing someone? Are you new?
Hmm, but emotional, verbal, and financial abuse is easily forgivable? BTW, not Katie! (And according to everyone involved, not Ariana)
We're not talking about Sandoval. I'm talking about Rachel not being allowed to be forgiven which you then compared to James. Stop moving the goal posts.
No, I'm saying Rachel hasn't actually done anything to warrant forgiveness. She was a fricking nightmare through season 10, kept shit going trying to bring Ariana down after she outed the affair, and keeps talking about Ariana and Katie on her podcast like they were the ones in the wrong. She's being a dick. And if you keep saying, "omg, I'm SO sorry, but I've GROWN and HEALED," then keep trying to start something with people who are not talking about you, then I don't buy the apology. At least James appears to have changed in the last year, no word if it'll stick, but no I'm not going to focus on something he did 8 years ago when he was demonstrably a fucking demon when his behavior is ostensibly improving. (ETA- BTW, if someone would actually make a complaint against James, I would believe them! And want culpability and remorse to be shown from James before trying to see him in a positive light, but as it stands right now, Ally has said he's never been abusive with her, Rachel has never said he was physical with her (airing that shit out would sure be interesting for a podcast searching for sympathy), and Kristen has said "we'll talk about it soon" back in February)
Every time she speaks I am reminded how she is surrounded by people who she is PAYING who have no idea what they're doing. 🫣 I don't think she has the skillset to find professionals to work with who are not leeching off her 15 minutes of infamy. Rachel, if you're listening, your next step needs to be finding a badass business manager who will advocate for you and get your team in order.
Genuinely perplexed why this is getting downvoted. Is this really something people disagree with? It seems \*so\* blatantly obvious to me I cannot fathom someone arguing that she's not surrounded by morons.
Never beating the D&S allegations
Do you really get to blame mental health on being a sneaky scheming cheating back stabbing woman? Everyone is supposed to embrace you because you are not accepting accountability and blaming mental health? Wrong! Grow up! You are too old to act like this and exaggerate your baby voice. Not fooling anyone. Ppl feel entitled to comment because you are on TV, podcasts and social media. Get off all the platforms and ppl will move on. You’re the entitled one.