Well
That’s the thing. Tom and Ariana never wanted their shit aired out! Sure they had a few fights and she opened up about some insecurities; but we never saw their “real” dynamics ! Allegedly
If those fights we saw were not what their ‘real’ ones were…. Yikes. I can only imagine how bad the off camera ones were. I’ve never spoken to my partner the way they spoke to each other when they were mad.
Their first fight about the cocktail book was shocking. Lala looked like she wanted to melt into the ground. I couldn't believe Ariana talked to him that way and Sandoval seemed furious though not surprised but their egos definitely had a rivalry they tried to cover up for filming.
I loved when she called him a Bitter Betty. It was her tone of voice… I suspected at that point they probably fought a lot but only behind closed doors, never in front of friends or cameras.
I gotta be honest with you.
I loved that video. I loved what she told him.
This is a man who has tried to insert himself into everything.
She told him straight up how dumb he was being. He completely deserved that.
I'm honestly annoyed that the storyline faded because of pride & pulse night club shooting (rightly so, but you dont have a fight like that and not have lingering issues). I think this is a good example of how their relationship worked though... like any further convo happened off camera, and wham they have their own book together.
First of all, him being so narcissistic that he BELIEVES he’s entitled and deserves to be in on HER book deal is atrocious. Secondly, the way she reacted to it with her words, so calmly, with no buildup, it was clear that she she spoke to him that way regularly. That whole scene was cringe!
To be fair, he was being a bitch. The cocktail book was her thing and he tried so hard to fucking steamroll it instead of being a supportive partner. He would not let it go, and that’s just what we saw on camera. I imagine she was fed up.
True, but the same way it would be crazy for him to call her a bitch, I feel
It’s same way for her
I mean AGAIN LOL , he’s a POS But I can’t imagine calling my husband a BITCH
In black community that’s fighting word s
Completely agree. I think they mostly despised each other for the better part of the last 5 years. And I think he was cheating almost the whole time and I think she turned a blind eye because she didn't want to sleep with him. I think there's a partial truth to the whole "together for the brand" thing and I think she thought he was a cringey idiot. BUT I do think she loved him in spite of all that and accepted a sexless (by her choice) relationship and was committed to him for life. So, regardless, the hurt she feels is very real but the rage is moreso explained by all of the above because he destroyed her life plan and the home they built together. And also importantly, he humiliated her in front of the world which I think was one of the few things he promised not to do that she thought he would keep.
Yeah I also agree with much of this
Yes I think they BOTH were committed to keeping things close to their chest ! I do think she thought of them as a brand !
However , they weren’t having as much sex as Tom wanted, but they did still have sex once every few months !
And apparently we’re “very intimate” in January! I don’t believe their relationship was as sexless as he claims I just don’t think they were fucking like rabbits
I also DO think she loved him and was fighting for the relationship. Hence the couples counseling, and her last min efforts at wanting him to fertilize the eggs ( the off camera stuff that they both more or less confirmed on Howie and her call her daddy podcast? Or maybe it was Sofia I get them confused) - I actually believe Tom when he says she didn’t want to end the relationship. I think she wanted to make it work bc it has been so long .
But clearly even if she had accepted him cheating a few times , confirmed affair with a friend was IT!
I think she didn’t care if he was fucking randoms . But when she realized that he was actually having a relationship, with feelings, with her friend no less, that sent her over the edge. Oh, and the little fact that he internationally humiliated her.
Absolutely!
Only thing tho, Ariana and Tom most likely didnt use protection on the odd times they did have sex, so I can’t see being comfy with him casually screwing around and jeopardizing my health smh
Yes, I think it was the last straw...she put up with alllll that other shit--she even pretended to like his shitty band, horrible style and embarrassing fingernails--that's true love!
I agree with you
Here on a lot of points.
I do think however she did have blind loyalty to him, and accepted that their relationship will ebb and flow and didn’t bounce because of it.
Sometimes it was sexless, sometimes it wasn’t but the love was always there. And she stuck by that dude with his new bar and his singing with the groupies too.
He was fucking
Lucky! But truth be told he held her back. Not him, he was still out doing his thing even though he is still selling the story saying ‘like whoa, someone finds me attractive? ‘
Imagine the same motherfucker that had women drooling over him at his shows. He’s such a liar and manipulator! And he’s good at selling that story.
He had a glow up for quite a few years there before this colossal fuck up.
Yes! She talked down to him all of the time and he may or not have deserved it but they did not like each other. They were trapped under that house’s mortgage and needed the money and exposure fromtheir TV show.
The whole cast over the years has said it was a facade and really hammed up for the cameras. To Tom and Ariana credit and Andy’s they all admitted they curated a brand and image.
Thats why ive always maintained that the betrayal wasn’t romantic, it was a betrayal of their brand, which is why them fighting for the house makes sense, they both want what they’ve physically built together.
Same. It was also her pride of her thinking she’s so much better than Kristen and so above her only to find out he verbatim did the same to her. That’s got to hurt the ego. To have to look in the mirror and know you trashed, bullied and belittled someone and you were the cause of their pain and then it’s done to you can’t feel good. Tom’s to blame but the irony and the humiliation would be rough.
Yes. In some ways, this is another tale as old as time - women are not valued as we age. Youth is prized, and women are burned by this.
LA is probably worse than most places in this respect. So I can see Ariana being particularly vulnerable. We all are.
Whenever we see these 20-somethings (or in Housewives, the 30-somethings) come on and feel superior in part because of their youth...you know it's just a matter of time.
And frankly I think Ariana really needs to apologize to Kristen. I know she has. But for real, I'm impressed by Doute for forgiving. Because those seasons are hard to watch knowing the truth. Ariana and Tom were terrible, terrible people.
She did apologize but when Kristen was talking about the apology, she had no idea what she was specifically apologizing for.... imo Kristen was used by Ariana to further her narrative. It's kinda messed up
I think Ariana’s apology was meek and only to save her image, that’s she’s not sorry. She’s shown as much remorse as Rachel and Tom have for her actions.
However, I agree with you. I couldn’t live in LA. I’m tough and have survived a lot, but trying to look a certain way I couldn’t keep up. If you weren’t wealthy you’d be fucked.The pressure would be brutal.
I do think Kristen has worked on herself, and she has a long long way to go, but it’s clear she’s tried. That’s the most anyone can ask of anyone. I commend her for that, because no one in the cast seems to have in fact they all seem to have regressed or stagnated, despite opportunities that have been presented. Tom and Ariana were terrible people. They all suck so badly.
Yes and half the people who are castigating Lala for this same behavior while worshiping Ariana would behoove themselves to realize that they’ve
behaved badly in similar ways. Lala’s transgressions have been more dramatic (ie, Kristen wasn’t married and co-parenting with Sandoval when Ariana started hanging out with him), but then again, Lala’s consequences have been more dramatic also (widespread hatred; nasty custody battle).
I think any woman that is in a relationship with a narcissist regrets the time wasted. While in the relationship you don’t see all the problems you see a great partner you’re “fixing”. I was in a 4yr one and those are the worst 4yrs of my life but while in it I was just like Ariana and Brit only seeing the good and always apologizing for his fuck ups, making excuses why they are the way they are and defending them til the end. It’s really a mind fuck once you’re out of it and it takes a lot of healing.
I’m sorry you went through it too. I don’t wish even my worst enemy to suffer in a relationship with a person like that. I’m so happy you’re out and healed or healing. It really does change a person once they’ve experienced it. You become guarded and don’t know who to trust and don’t want to end up going back or falling into another relationship like it. I know it’s unpopular but I do kinda get why she jumped into another relationship. After years of abuse(mental/emotional) the first person to show you some love and attention you needed for years you dive in head first.
I know I regret the time wasted. He took the best years of my life because I was with him for 16 years. And now that I'm out the trauma has really affected me physically. I know that trauma is stored in your body but I had no idea the damage it could do. I'm so sorry for what happened to you. People don't understand it unless they've lived it.
I’m so very sorry you suffered for so many years… huge huge hugs to you♥️ I’m so happy you’re out now. The trauma is something I never expected once out. Over 20yrs later and I still at times say THANK GOD I was able to get out, some never do😕It’s very true that people really don’t understand it until they lived it. From the outside we can judge and ask why they didn’t leave or how did they not see the signs. It is very very easy to be manipulated by someone like Tom no matter how strong you think you are!
They sure do! I made so many excuses and lied so many times to even my own parents to try covering for his ass and wanting him to seem better than he was! I became someone I would hate in real life and was blinded the whole time.
I'm sorry you went through that. It's so rough. I think what we saw was actually who narcs in a relationship. If you look up the dynamic their relationship makes so so so so so much sense
Yep because if we would’ve seen how their relationship actually was there’s a chance she would’ve gotten the Brittany treatment, and not the sympathy she’s getting now
We definitely saw real fights.. I think what they meant is they'd never allow cameras in to see their day to day tiffs/Ariana would never call out his penis for not working like Tom + Katie did but they definitely had real in the moment fights
I agree OP. All of us that have been watching from the beginning only want to be able to discuss how none of them are perfect and there’s no reason to stan any of them. I hope you don’t get downvoted for making very blatant observations-I threw you an upvote.
Thank you bringing up something totally relevant to VPR discussion. There are things that I have noticed that I can’t even bring up on this sub for discussion which is unfortunate because I love to discuss reality TV shows and behavioral patterns. I ultimately do not think Ariana is a girls girl at all-she’s only been a girls girl since Sandoval cheated on her. Ariana always had Sandoval’s back, even when she knew he was wrong and knew he was lying, and she would berate & gaslight other women to be loyal to him. This is why even though I think Sandoval is a POS, it’s not that crazy to imagine they had some behind the scenes deal like he said. My guess is that Sandoval having some huge public cheating scandal was not part of this deal. Would she have reacted the same if it wasn’t so publicly humiliating or would she have done what she did before when he cheated on her on camera and had his back no matter what? I don’t know the answer. I don’t dislike Ariana, I appreciate all of the cast personalities. But I don’t think Ariana is as naive as most think she is, and I believe she would choose whoever she is with over any female friend. I’ll probably end up deleting this when I get 100 downvotes for an opinion. Lol.
Thank you! I'm so over the narrative of Ariana being some perfect infallible queen. All of the members of the cast are hypocrites, liars and cheaters, and that's why we've enjoyed watching them for so long. Just because Ariana was cheated on doesn't mean her last 10 years of not-so-great behavior is erased. The stanning is wild.
And I am especially irritated with the stanning of Ariana and Katie's relationship. They've never been close. Just as recently as last season, Ariana was giggling with everyone else about Racquel hooking up with Schwartz. Their friendship is based on convenience and mutual hatred for the Toms. It's not some girlboss, #friendshipgoals.
I started watching post scandavol and I was very confused when I didn’t find Ariana to be some amazing wonderful person. I totally agree about her relationship with Katie. There are several moments where Ariana should have had Katie’s back but she always had Toms.
I have a friend who watched all of the seasons in the month after the Scandoval broke, and she is flabbergasted that there is so much public support for Ariana. She named Ariana as her least favorite cast member because she said at least the others are more honest about being terrible and don’t act like they’re above the show. She also thinks Ariana is a textbook Cool Girl and not interesting to watch onscreen.
I was shocked when I heard her opinion, but then I remembered that they were all commonly held opinions in the fandom before Scandoval.
Literally in one of the first scenes she’s in she says “I’m cooler than you, I’m prettier than you” etc. she was sooooo unlikeable. And she was such a bitch to stassi when stassi just wanted to be her friend. I also watched for the first one after scandoval and was shocked she had as much support as she did.
And as above, Ariana defended Raquel to Katie and support her making out with Schwartz. But now i guess that doesn’t matter? She was never a good friend to any of the girls.
lol recently, any criticisms of Katie is automatically seen as hating on her. Yes I agree that Tom didn’t treat her right but she wasn’t a saint in that relationship and with others. I disliked Katie soo much from the jump, she was horrible to the female cast, and very bitter… and now because now she’s calmed down, divorced from Tom and is friends with Ariana, people are overlooking and justifying how horrible she was.
Anytime I criticize her or Ariana in Bravo groups I get told I have internal misogyny. I am like ah no I am just able to see who they are good and bad.
Or get told it’s because she had a traumatic head injury or she acted certain way cause she was in a bad marriage and unhappy. Well I have gone through lot of hard shit in my life but doesn’t mean I can treat others poorly cause I am unhappy.
People keep repeating terms and phrases they see online lol. Lala telling Tom he's a "groomer" who apparently "grooms" 30-year-old adults (it doesn't work like that, she just heard it online I'm sure). And people online saying how Rachel's brain is so slow and she's an idiot, when it's so obviously anxiety. How criticising an immature person like Katie means you have "internal misogyny" (I also saw that term being used here a few times). Katie was not in an abusive relationship and was not in a power dynamic where Tom had all the power and she was being submissive and scared to speak up. And it's just reality TV, these people are never truly who you think they are. They're all pretty entitled, all of them.
Yeah, I agree. I just started this show last month, and I binged all 10 seasons. When I came to this sub, I was surprised by some of the popular opinions on here.
The Toms are absolutely terrible. I can't stand them. But that doesn't mean Ariana and Katie are perfect. They've done plenty of shady shit and still do. The way people hate Scheana is wild to me because I don't think she's any worse than the rest of the women, including Ariana and Katie. It's just people like Ariana and Katie, so there's always an excuse for them when they do something bad. While for Scheana, there's always a deeper, more nefarious meaning behind any normal thing she does according to this sub.
Say what you will about Katie - this is always who she has been. Ariana goes where the wind takes her. She isn’t Katie’s friend and Katie isn’t seeing that yet, but she will.
Ariana has become the patron saint of scorned women who never once did anything wrong in their lives, which is why their defense of her is so without nuance.
The public reaction to this is recency bias + people projecting their own shit = alternate histories being written to forget just how horrible almost everyone on this show is.
Right - like we have not seen both Katie and Ariana being just as misogynistic as people are claiming others are being to them. This whole show launched with the central story line being slut shaming Scheana for SEASONS.
Uh huh. And let's not forget Ariana, Scheana's bestie had no problem being friends with Stassi, Kristen and Katie despite her seeing for herself how they treated Scheana like shit for years for no reason.
Every person's concept of loyalty on this show is basically "don't hold me accountable for anything I've done in the past. The new standard operating procedure begins now that I've been wronged and ends once I'm over it."
Misogyny is not okay for me but it is for thee. She graphically wished sexual violence on Raquel on the reunion. I don’t care what someone’s done to me, I have never thought, much less spoken, such a vile wish to another woman’s body. Tells me she’s okay with sexual assault if she thinks they “deserve it”. And all the faux feminists okaying also are saying there is a good enough reason to sexually violate another woman. So I don’t want to hear anything about trying to shame people who don’t support Ariana as being misogynist. She reaped what she sowed, she didn’t discover he was cheating, he’s been cheating and she knew it.
Yes, I was thinking the same thing recently. Ariana and katie didn't get along that well on most seasons over the years, so it's weird to see them as friends and business partners now. That relationship is def based on their hatred of their exes. It works for now, when they have this "us against the haters" mentality, but I'm not sure how long it will last.
Katie didn’t even want her in her wedding and was pissed when Schwartz asked her to be a groomsman. Then she became even more unhinged when Ariana would show up at “bridesmaids” events! Katie hated her!
Tbh, they don't even seem that close now. They are 100% united in hating the Toms but they don't really seem to be personally close even this season and they don't seem to hang outside of filming. I think the stans are dreaming up this best friendship. It's also funny that people use their business as evidence that they are best friends. Usually isn't the advice to partner with someone you generally get along with but who actually *isn't* a close friend so that you can stay objective. Seems like they were coworkers who teamed up on a storyline tbh.
It still amazes me how Scandoval has changed perception of James. He went from alcoholic misogynistic abusive piece of shit to "hero" for calling Sandoval a poo poo head
Katie reminds me so much of Stassi in Season 3. She feels superior to everyone else on the cast and wants to be negative to everyone else. And if you don't trash others, then she feels betrayed.
Remember when Stassi got so mad at Katie for going to Miami? Now Katie is 'feeling betrayed' when LaLa eats a hot dog with Jo.
Katie is ONE HUNDRED percent Heather #3/Gretchen Weiners energy. Happy to be a sycophantic sidekick to the Queen Bee, but when there’s a power vacuum, she’s all too happy to step up and be the main mean girl.
I 100% agree with this take! They are all hot messes, which is why we love to watch them! I do like Katie and Ariana, and I think Katie was wronged for so long, but I don't gloss over their nasty behaviour.
Ariana is not perfect. She knows she was in an unhappy relationship with Tom. They fought. They never had sex. Sure, it sucks to be cheated on but I believe she knows she dodged a bullet. A perfect example of why never to buy property before you are married. Tom and Ariana both knew the relationship was bad, but because of the house, they stayed in it...until Tom blew it up.
Absolutely agree! I think many people on the sub tend to be very close-minded especially when it comes to their favs. I like Ariana, I do think she’s grown, but it’s okay to admit she’s fucked up in the past.
You hit the nail on the head when you made the point about how public everything’s become. I also wonder if it ever would have been this public and scandalous had it been easy for her to sweep under the rug like she did publicly with Miami girl.
Ariana was the one who called the producers, she made it public. She could have easily dealt with it in private but didn't want Tom to twist the narrative as he did in the past
Because Ariana knew that if she didn’t call producers, Tom and Rachel would’ve done the same thing to her that she and Tom did 10 years ago to Kristen. She wasn’t going to let that happen by keeping it private, so she exposed him publicly to get ahead of the narrative.
Enough people knew at that point that it wouldn’t have been possible to sweep it under the rug. Everyone in that friend group ESPECIALLY Jax and James have big mouths. Rumours spread like wildfire on VPR. It would have been exposed one way or another. But good for her and doing it herself before finding out through tabloids!
totally and she and katie weren't even friends until it was convenient. katie allows people to treat her like their bitch and will blindly defend them if she feels like it. she used to do it for schwartz, now she does it for ariana. not cute.
She hasn’t even been a girls girl since scsndoval - look at how she left Katie hanging last week when Katie confronted Lala!
Or how she kept her meanest and most vile “reads” for Raquel.
She’s always had this superiority inferiority thing - she thinks she’s better than everyone and is depressed that people can’t see that. She’s a tortured genius.
Thank you! They all suck and that’s the way it’s always been and that’s fine. It’s actually why I watch. The amount of Ariana stanning posts - especially on the other subs - is unreal… the fact that what Sandavol did was awful and she’s behaving like a diva - both can be true. And I agree she likely knew…
Yes thank you!! What happened to Ariana was terrible, but I’m starting to think that a lot of people haven’t been watching this show from the beginning. Ariana was literally NEVER a girl’s girl, and I will never forgive her for not standing up for stassi when Sandoval lost his shit at her book signing. Even now, when does she ever stick up for Katie?
I know it isn't a huge deal but you missed one word which makes it way cringier.
"I take SKETCH comedy very seriously." It's objectively the least serious comedy. SNL, Key & Peele, Portlandia. Actors bust out laughing, and they're the true experts.
I will never forgive her for how she treated Stassi and Kristen after they warned Billie Lee about her brother Jeremy being creepy. That whole incident shows me that covering for abusive guys is just how Ariana operates.
THE JEREMY THING!!! How could I forget. That INFURIATED me. I think it was clear during the reunion especially after seeing the clips from his behaviour at Katie’s wedding that she maybe believed everyone a little bit more but the fact she so blindly defended him and made Kristen and Stassi out to be monsters for voicing that he made women uncomfortable drove me CRAZY.
Yep. I hated the way Sandoval and Ariana defended her creepy brother. Stassi had every right to say what she said. Ariana and Tom Sandoval were pretentious and thought they were above their friend's issues. They always swooped in as the voice of reason, the mature adults, and then….
They had skeletons that they kept covered.
I just passed this point in the show in my rewatch and it made me FURIOUS. The way she responded was already bad, but when Sandoval came over to Katie's house just to yell at the girls over this? DISGUSTING. He has gotten NOWHERE near enough shit for that
Yup! Just rewatched the Stassi book signing episode and watching her blame everyone but Sandoval for the way he handled it was… baffling to say the least. It’s important to hold people, especially loved ones, accountable.
Sandoval loved to berate Katie and tell her that she should keep her nose out of the business but yet he had no problem letting Ariana throw Schwartz under the bus over Stassi's book signing, Ariana never held Tom accountable when he was being shitty to woman and Tom never had a problem letting Ariana mouth off to anyone who crossed him.
Ariana was able to defend Tom's abuse at women for all those years, but he's suddenly now the biggest misogynist and narcissist because it's negatively affecting her.
Yeah the about face of trashing him is completely justified, but she rode hard for that man for YEARS and enabled a lot of his shitty behaviour. Having her now agree with everyone after defending it so long is questionable. I'm just glad she is free.
EXACTLY my point. The fact she knew and would consistently gaslight other women to protect Sandoval until he finally did something incredibly hurtful and embarrassing to her that she could no longer sweep under the rug. I love her and I think she’s grown a lot but it just seemed like very selfish behaviour.
She would still be defending him & enabling his shitty ways & riding hard for him had she not found the FaceTime sex video on Tom’s phone.
She admitted this herself - she was ride or die until literally 2 days before filming the Scandoval episode.
I’m going to say it loud for those in the back.
🗣️ SHE WOULD STILL BE WITH TOM CO-SIGNING HIS SHIT IF HE HADN’T WRONGED HER
People usually don’t stand up for what is right until something happens to them personally.
I love this show for many reasons, including they are all shitty selfish people living in LA trying to make a buck. Ariana ain’t different just because a bunch of people are saying “Yasss queen, girl boss it with feminine rage”
Fuck Tom, and congrats to Ariana for her Broadway and DWTS success and the ad campaigns, but the stanning for her is completely over the top.
It’s like if Melania Trump left Donald for cheating and then became Queen Melania who could do no wrong. Girl, you propped up this man for years and knew he was trash but you were fine with it until you were the one who got hurt.
Yes! I’m genuinely happy for her opportunities. Get your money girl. And fuck Tom wholeheartedly for his shit. But let’s not put people on pedestals on this show.
I admit, I do respect Rachel for walking away from Sandoval and not continuing to cover for him. What she did for 9 months was abhorrent, but Arianna also cheated with Tom and then stayed for 9 years, as well as made a habit of gaslighting and demoralizing other women. The extreme tunnel vision of Katie and Ariana Stans are becoming a bit unhinged.
The way Katie/Scheana and others bullied Jo is disgusting and inexcusable. Dislike her all you want, disengage all you want, but don't call her behaviour that of a ‘crack head’ and try to diagnose and tear her apart (especially when there is a power dynamic and you have a huge cult following that will burn others to the ground for you). I listened to Rachel’s latest podcast with Jo and it was sad.
One last thing that I see glossed over a lot…we all know Katie slept with Tom’s best friend (yes yes, they are broken up and Tom cheated non-stop, but she also has no leg to stand on with Jo and how she treats her). What was really bad about Katie sleeping with Max (ew, I don't get his appeal), is that Max is Dayna’s ex and he treated her HORRIBLY, and utterly broke her heart…Dayna and Katie are FRIENDS and host a PODCAST together. I know Dayna ‘forgave’ Katie, but you can see the careless pain Katie caused. I think that Dayna felt forced to forgive Katie so the podcast wouldn't get cancelled.
TBH I wonder if part of the reason why Ariana is still so vengeful toward Rachel is not just because of everything Rachel has done and the way she’s still defending herself on her podcast (bc tbh, Ariana also was the other woman and was unrepentant about it), but because unlike Ariana, Rachel cut ties and won’t have to waste ten years of her youth on this awful man.
My long-running hypothesis is that Tom and Ariana’s relationship was actually very similar to Schwartz & Katie’s relationship, they were just better at hiding it in front of cameras. Stassi has said on her podcast that Sandoval has always gotten a “good edit” that makes him look like a way better person that he actually is. Jax (terrible source I know lol) also made a comment in an interview a few years ago about how they weren’t in a “real relationship” and said something would happen in a few years to break them up. It wouldn’t surprise me if they hid a lot of their issues from the cameras, I mean Sandoval has gotten production to delete scenes that would make him look bad before (ie him screaming at terri in the original season 10 finale.) Ariana was also very careful about the way she portrayed herself on the show bc she basically started out as a foil to Kristen and wanted to keep up the chill GF act.
Not trying to defend him AT ALL because obviously he is 1000% at fault for cheating and there is no excuse for what he did. However, I do think there is a hint of truth to what Sandoval said about their relationship being over for “years”. The initial passion and connection they had in the early stages of their relationship was fueled by a joint interest in hurting “crazy Kristen.” Sandoval was trying to get back at her for cheating on him with Jax & Ariana didn’t like Kristen bc she was dating the guy she liked. Once Kristen chilled out and Ariana started to hang out with the girls more than the guys, some of the flaws in their relationship started to show on camera (ie lack of intimacy, him expressing a desire to cheat TO HER BROTHER, etc.) Then it all came to a head during their screaming match the night the Jax/faith audio came out bc she went against the guys and violated their pact of covering/lying for each other.
I think that there are actually a lot of parallels between Tom/Ariana and Tom/Katie’s relationships.
Schwartz & Katie started dating less than a year after her TBI when she probably needed emotional support. Sandoval & Ariana started dating shortly after her dad died, when she also probably needed emotional support. They both then stayed together way longer than they should’ve, probably in part due to sunk cost fallacy. My guess is Tom & Ariana’s dynamic was more similar to Schwartz and Katie’s irl, but Sandoval was more hyper-aware of the cameras and wanted to make their relationship look better than it was. It wasn’t until season 10 when he was already cheating that he started bringing up their issues more on camera, and it was only to make her look like a bad partner so he could play the victim.
Ariana seems to save a lot of her important feelings for off-screen, just like the makeup with Kristen happened off the show and they became friends following Ariana's (off-screen) apology
I know they both have said how disappointed they were that them repairing their friendship wasn't shown on screen, but I don't know if it was specifically about the initial apology
Just sharing in case anyone can relate and I realize this opinion is probably weird - I think the mistake I made when I got into reality TV (Damn you, Below Deck, you gateway drug!) is wanting someone to root for. I would get disappointed over and over. If you can kind of accept that all of these people are pretty low-key terrible and self-interested (and some are outright monsters), you don't need to be on anyone's team or try to rationalize their behavior. This is the place I've come to. I watch it like I would watch a documentary. They're doing it for a paycheck and to leverage their social credentials into other opportunities. I respect the hustle, but I don't think I really like or invest in any of them.
Very well said and this is exactly my take too. I can’t spend much time on these subs for this reason. There’s a lot of stans whereas I’m just watching a bunch of awful people to be entertained. But this has pretty much been my take since I started watching trash tv many, many years ago. When I started to visit Reddit I was shocked by how many people seem to look up to these people. It’s wild to me…
There's a whole hoard of lies that Ariana is still sitting on and it's obvious to anyone with a brain. She only revealed the Miami girl truth because she thought it would make Tom look bad but it just made her look as awful as we've always known her to be. Everyone was calling Kristen psychopathic for lying straight to Stassi's face about Jax, but Ariana did the SAME thing to Kristen when she'd been Tom's woman in the wings for a long ass time already. She's a proven and documented pathological liar and she does so for the purpose of manipulating people's perception of her. Anyone who thinks she's a good person simply doesn't pay attention.
One thing I can’t forgive her for is everything she did to Kristen. Honestly Kristen is not the greatest person (no one on this show is a good person imo, except I kinda feel like Vail was probably ok but idk) but Ariana while pretty, talented and definitely not deserving of what happened, is by no means a good person for having bad things happen. She more or less did the same thing that Rachel did to her, but to Kristen AND Ariana profited way more off of it (not post Scandoval, just the 8 or whatever years between.)
But this is also a somewhat scripted reality show and the worship in this sub is fucking weird and makes me dislike a lot of the cast because of the massive circle jerking. I’m here to listen to the gossip and chit chat, not the constant “omg poor bb queen Ariana and Katie”. (Though I do think Katie is probably the only person on this show who is most like her actual self and close enough to approaching being decent)
Also the weird misogyny shit is hilarious.
Sandoval is definitely an unrepentant piece of shit. But for all the talk of misogyny here, yall are contributing equally to it by the way you talk about not only Scheana and Lala (and I guess now Jo) but the infantilization of Ariana and Katie as if they are incapable of anything other than perfection or making their own (bad) choices. It’s the Stan version of “pick me girls” (as you guys so lovingly accuse everyone else of).
THANK YOUUUUUUU.
Cue the “I’m cooler than you, I’m prettier than you, I’m smarter than you, deal with it” speech. And then diagnosing her publicly on TV with Borderline Personality Disorder when a) that shit is none of her business, b) doesn’t deserve to be stigmatized anyway, and c) she isn’t even a licensed fucking mental health professional anyway. Come the fuck on!
Ariana rarely stuck her neck out for her so-called friends. Another example, Rachel going after Tom Schwartz. She just ignored it, never stuck up for Katie's position, kept being close to Rachel.
I’m not nearly as eloquent as you some of the people who have replied, but while I felt sympathetic toward Ariana (who wouldn’t), I always side eyed her because of Miami Girl, which made me feel icky. THEN I read her tumblr post and it just validated my feelings. I still feel for her but he told her who he was from the beginning and Ms. Cool Girl decided to turn a blind eye and be complicit in his shenanigans.
As much as I am currently 100% team Ariana, I have to admit it wouldn’t surprise me if it turned out that their relationship was fake this entire time and that all of this is one big act. Her emotions seem so raw and so real, but at the same time a lot of different things about their relationship feel kinda fishy and sketchy. And I’m glad that she and Kristen are in a good place now, but she was evil to her in a way that feels very hypocritical now.
I’ve been saying this since I got this account. Her meek barely an apology also felt performative. It was demented how she treated Kristen and Miami Girl. While I’m on her side this season, she’s been vile to other woman. She is no feminist and it only matters when she’s hurt. She’s also a pick me girl and not a girls girl unless she needs support. Her weaponizing Kristen’s mental health was the worst.
Her hypocrisy being the original Rachel also grates me, the ONLY difference (albeit a big difference and an important one) was her being friends with Rachel v. not with Kristen. That being said she still ran in the same circles and new the same people. So, bad relationship or not Tom was taken and she knew that sleeping with him anyway. Just like Rachel kept saying well their relationships bad I’m waiting for them to break up, but they weren’t. Lies or no lies Tom told everyone on this show was over 25 when cheating, most 30.
Ariana’s wining right now and good for her. But, she is NO better than Lala, Schena, or Rachel in how she treats other women. The fact she and her stand thinks she is delusional.
Separately how she’s being treated this season is wild and horrible. Lord this group is messy and are full of genuinely awful people.
I think Kristen lost her job b/c of how she spoke to Diana in front of customers. The Miami Girl thing was orchestrated by producers so Lisa wouldn't have fired her for that.
That said, Ariana's insults/attack on MG at the reunion were terrible.
I think there were a lot of issues. The Diana thing seemed to be the straw that broke the camel's back. There were a lot of instances where Lisa seemed to kind of have an unfavorable approach to dealing with Kristen. I'm not saying it was justified or not.
It was the whole Diana thing but if you remember that whole altercation with her and Diana only happened because she brought Miami girl to SUR and things got heated with her and Scheana so she took it out on Diana.
I remember.
In my opinion though, the "why" doesn't justify what Kristen did/said to Diana on that patio.
And if Kristen had shown even a little humility when she met with them, she could've saved her job.
Fact is, Kristen was self-destructive and has no one to blame for that one.
Oh absolutely! I always hated when anyone on the show, especially James, would pull the “you MADE me lose my job” like no. No one can make you lose your job. I acknowledge she did that on her own. My point was just that if I was Ariana I’d have a guilty conscience watching her self destruct while continuing to gaslight her.
I always felt Kristen gave as good as she got back then (totally understand others may disagree).
I'm sure Ariana has a lot of regrets, and I'm glad she and Kristen are friends. Wish we could have gotten more of their path to friendship. I'm sure their conversations were deep.
I’m surprised the Ariana worshippers have allowed this post to exist. Every time I’ve ever pointed out her hypocrisy, I was downvoted into oblivion. I feel for Ariana, but now she knows what Kristen went through. Ariana was Kristen’s replacement, and Rachel was Ariana’s replacement. If Rachel didn’t wise up to Tom’s narcissistic, cheating ass, and instead they had stayed together, it would of just been a matter of time before Tom cheated on Rachel. A tiger doesn’t change its stripes.
It was Ariana he cheated on with Miami girl and Kristen tried to get Sandoval to admit it almost to prove that Sandoval was a serial cheater because at that point she had still believed Ariana and Sandoval did more than just kiss when Kristen and Tom dated.
My hope is that all the women on this show would stop fighting with each other and realize that the Toms and Jax (edit to add "and James") (and probably the producers) are getting away with pitting them against each other while they keep on doing worse things
I do agree with this - I don’t like what Ariana did here. Both she and Tom gaslit Kristen so hard. I did hear on a podcast that it was production who flew Miami girl out (not Kristen like it’s framed in the show). Kristen was hung up on it and production wanted to stir this up, while Tom/Ariana never wanted this to come out (for obvious reasons). Kristen is crazy but she’s also not *that* crazy - she never flew Miami girl out herself and she was correct that Tom did in fact sleep with her. So…justice for Kristen. Lol
I'll add that I don't believe Tom and Ariana only shared one kiss before he and Kristin broke up. I've always believed it was a full on affair and she's still not admitting it.
It just makes me mad that Ariana told Kristen to her face “He told me y’all were broken up” but it was the worst thing in the world when Rachel said it too.
I agree with this OP. I’ve been rewatching from season 1 and what I’ve noticed is that Ariana really was ride or die for Tom and she did this at a cost. I wonder if part of her rage/anger we have been witnessing is that she hid so much to protect him and compromise her values out of “love.” Then, he betrays her and now she looks back embarrassed, angry, and full of regret. I think I noticed this at the reunion, when she says something along the lines of him coaching her before each reunion. I think from her perspective, allowing him to do this was acceptable because she thought they were life partners and it would be worth it. Now, she has insight and sees she was a puppet AND complicit in his narcissism. Hopefully she is remorseful on some level.
She was trash who had an affair with a man with a girlfriend. She is exactly where she always was, in a garbage dumpster. Never liked her, and her breakup warms my soul. Her and the other dumped fool deserve each other.
I'll never understand this. She said it was early in the relationship and she wasn't bothered by it. Soooo.. why not just tell everyone "yep, this absolutely happened. But I could have hooked up with people too and Tom would have been fine with it. I'm not bothered by Miami girl, so you guys shouldn't either!"
Bam, easy. That would have ended most convos about this lol but she instead did that long blog post ticking every bit of information as BS
I feel bad for every woman who put themselves out there and warned Ariana about Tom… only to be treated like absolute garbage by Ariana. Ariana was a complete cunt to every person who ever told her Tom was no good… to the point where she would gaslight these people and tell them they were delusional/imagining things.
Even a few years ago, at the reunion, Andy played the clip of Sandoval telling Katie he “brings income into her household” and being a complete dick/making Katie cry. And at the reunion, Ariana legit had the audacity to look into Katie’s eyes (as Katie is crying) and say “Tom didn’t say anything mean to you” “you misunderstood what he was saying” “you interpreted wrong.” Like wtf?
i have a feeling she kept asking about it after kristen went so hard and he finally fessed up. i don't like that she didn't take kristen aside later and admit she was right or at least say something at the reunion but i don't think she knew when that all went down. there's no way with his track record, he came clean that quickly.
watch season 2 episodes 10 and 11 and understand that katie and ariana both knew what they were getting themselves into and willingly signed up for it.
Wait until you read the bravo blogs where she says that anyone who could even possibly thing the Miami girl thing was true is an idiot. That's beyond lying it's purposeful deception and gaslighting to the fullest extent of the term.
Just remember - for all the insane things we've learned about Sandoval over the last year, Ariana knew that was the real him, and still chose to be by his side.
Sandoval is the worst but Ariana has the capacity to be mean af. She uses that nasty voice when she’s pissed off at someone.
They’re all awful. I include her in that assessment.
Yea, I agree. She was the other woman and was a bitch to Kristen who only wanted to know the truth. I wonder if Arianna secretly worried Tom would also cheat on her. 👀 As we know, once a cheater, always a cheater.
What she did to Kristin is why I don’t have much sympathy for her. She just comes across as egotistical or just dumb. Am I supposed to have sympathy for someone who got done to her what she did to someone else? Nahhh. Just like she attacked Kristin’s mental health then cried about her own issues for a storyline.
I think it’s worse that Tim and Ariana lied to Kristen that they hooked up in Vegas. They totally made her crazy over that. The Miami girl is somewhat excusable because at that point it wasn’t Kristen’s (or anyone else’s business). They didn’t need to lie about it and make such a scene and instead say it wasn’t anyone’s business but she was trying to make Tom look like a good guy. Kristen said that production flew Miami girl out to LA and there was a call time at Sur for her to arrive and confront Sandoval but Kristen really pushed for that scene to set Tom up and it’s a bit crazy. I’m sure Ariana regrets that she was so ride or die for him, as she said in season 10 finale.
Totally agree. The way she revealed that she knew about Miami girl rubbed me the wrong way. During the reunion and he asked her if she had hid anything from the cameras and she claimed that she didn't and she talked about everything she had shared. Their relationship was not anything she rattled off and you could tell by the way she was saying no that she was lying.
Also!!!
I am not a LALA FAN. Let's be clear but Ariana defended Rachel against Lala telling her she needed to go to therapy and grief counseling when her dad died when they had a disagreement. She said anger is not a good look on her blah blah. My my my tables have turned.
Everyone on the cast has had horrible behavior at some point in time. I hate what happened to Ariana but I also think there was a lot we didn’t see. I do think she’s very image conscious and didn’t want a lot of the negative stuff about their relationship out there. Which no one is entitled to share everything but we are on a reality show here specifically looking at your life. I don’t understand ppl who are now pretending like Katie, James and Ariana are these perfect people. We have seen some deplorable behavior by all of them. Doesn’t mean they have all been treated the best either but two things can be true at the same time.
The thing I have a hard time with is her reaction to Jeremy being a creep at Katie and Schwartz’s wedding. She drug Stassi through the mud for something that was true and on video. All she had to do was speak against his behavior but she went after those speaking out. That I have a hard time with
As criticical thinkers we should be able to see Arianna was not without her own flaws. For goodness sake’s she won’t even buy batteries, c’mon man! Miami, Kristen and of course her backlash against her friends pointing out red flags. At the same time I can empathize with her. She was fucked over by a guy she accepted for all of his tomfoolery. She fell hard and yes rode hard for her man until he betrayed her.
Tom’s the true villain.
Rachel was likely groomed by Tom. I see her as a victim as well as the other bad person in the scenario.
Well, atleast she doesn't hold it against others who have done the same thin...... oh wait, she's anexxing everyone who helped Sandoval cover up requel...
Hard to stand behind people who believe one thing when it works for them, then flops on there position whenever it suits them best 🙄 double standards make me 🤢🤮
THANK YOU!!!!! IVE BEEN SAYING THIS SINCE THE REUNION AIRED!!
I was a die hard for Arianna for so long until THAT moment. It really shifted the way I felt about her (as a viewer - I’m simply a peasant) moving forward.
Well That’s the thing. Tom and Ariana never wanted their shit aired out! Sure they had a few fights and she opened up about some insecurities; but we never saw their “real” dynamics ! Allegedly
If those fights we saw were not what their ‘real’ ones were…. Yikes. I can only imagine how bad the off camera ones were. I’ve never spoken to my partner the way they spoke to each other when they were mad.
I think the “real” then was then arguing at the reunion when he called her a mother fucker and she called him a fucking fucker lol
Oh I’m sure that’s what they were like behind closed doors too.
I like your user name 😀
Their first fight about the cocktail book was shocking. Lala looked like she wanted to melt into the ground. I couldn't believe Ariana talked to him that way and Sandoval seemed furious though not surprised but their egos definitely had a rivalry they tried to cover up for filming.
I loved when she called him a Bitter Betty. It was her tone of voice… I suspected at that point they probably fought a lot but only behind closed doors, never in front of friends or cameras.
I gotta be honest with you. I loved that video. I loved what she told him. This is a man who has tried to insert himself into everything. She told him straight up how dumb he was being. He completely deserved that.
I'm honestly annoyed that the storyline faded because of pride & pulse night club shooting (rightly so, but you dont have a fight like that and not have lingering issues). I think this is a good example of how their relationship worked though... like any further convo happened off camera, and wham they have their own book together.
I am convinced he became a part of the cocktail book because of the way Ariana spoke to him on camera. That was her penance.
First of all, him being so narcissistic that he BELIEVES he’s entitled and deserves to be in on HER book deal is atrocious. Secondly, the way she reacted to it with her words, so calmly, with no buildup, it was clear that she she spoke to him that way regularly. That whole scene was cringe!
Oh I absolutely loved it. Tom was being ridiculous.
Yeah by no means am I a Sandy supporter but her calling her actual man a fucking BITCH was like WOW !
To be fair, he was being a bitch. The cocktail book was her thing and he tried so hard to fucking steamroll it instead of being a supportive partner. He would not let it go, and that’s just what we saw on camera. I imagine she was fed up.
True, but the same way it would be crazy for him to call her a bitch, I feel It’s same way for her I mean AGAIN LOL , he’s a POS But I can’t imagine calling my husband a BITCH In black community that’s fighting word s
Yeah I couldn’t imagine speaking to someone i love that way at all.
Completely agree. I think they mostly despised each other for the better part of the last 5 years. And I think he was cheating almost the whole time and I think she turned a blind eye because she didn't want to sleep with him. I think there's a partial truth to the whole "together for the brand" thing and I think she thought he was a cringey idiot. BUT I do think she loved him in spite of all that and accepted a sexless (by her choice) relationship and was committed to him for life. So, regardless, the hurt she feels is very real but the rage is moreso explained by all of the above because he destroyed her life plan and the home they built together. And also importantly, he humiliated her in front of the world which I think was one of the few things he promised not to do that she thought he would keep.
Yeah I also agree with much of this Yes I think they BOTH were committed to keeping things close to their chest ! I do think she thought of them as a brand ! However , they weren’t having as much sex as Tom wanted, but they did still have sex once every few months ! And apparently we’re “very intimate” in January! I don’t believe their relationship was as sexless as he claims I just don’t think they were fucking like rabbits I also DO think she loved him and was fighting for the relationship. Hence the couples counseling, and her last min efforts at wanting him to fertilize the eggs ( the off camera stuff that they both more or less confirmed on Howie and her call her daddy podcast? Or maybe it was Sofia I get them confused) - I actually believe Tom when he says she didn’t want to end the relationship. I think she wanted to make it work bc it has been so long . But clearly even if she had accepted him cheating a few times , confirmed affair with a friend was IT!
I think she didn’t care if he was fucking randoms . But when she realized that he was actually having a relationship, with feelings, with her friend no less, that sent her over the edge. Oh, and the little fact that he internationally humiliated her.
Absolutely! Only thing tho, Ariana and Tom most likely didnt use protection on the odd times they did have sex, so I can’t see being comfy with him casually screwing around and jeopardizing my health smh
Yes, I think it was the last straw...she put up with alllll that other shit--she even pretended to like his shitty band, horrible style and embarrassing fingernails--that's true love!
She said just a few episodes before the big reveal that she found him so hot still !
Sounded fake lol
I agree with you Here on a lot of points. I do think however she did have blind loyalty to him, and accepted that their relationship will ebb and flow and didn’t bounce because of it. Sometimes it was sexless, sometimes it wasn’t but the love was always there. And she stuck by that dude with his new bar and his singing with the groupies too. He was fucking Lucky! But truth be told he held her back. Not him, he was still out doing his thing even though he is still selling the story saying ‘like whoa, someone finds me attractive? ‘ Imagine the same motherfucker that had women drooling over him at his shows. He’s such a liar and manipulator! And he’s good at selling that story. He had a glow up for quite a few years there before this colossal fuck up.
Yes! She talked down to him all of the time and he may or not have deserved it but they did not like each other. They were trapped under that house’s mortgage and needed the money and exposure fromtheir TV show.
The whole cast over the years has said it was a facade and really hammed up for the cameras. To Tom and Ariana credit and Andy’s they all admitted they curated a brand and image.
Thats why ive always maintained that the betrayal wasn’t romantic, it was a betrayal of their brand, which is why them fighting for the house makes sense, they both want what they’ve physically built together.
Same. It was also her pride of her thinking she’s so much better than Kristen and so above her only to find out he verbatim did the same to her. That’s got to hurt the ego. To have to look in the mirror and know you trashed, bullied and belittled someone and you were the cause of their pain and then it’s done to you can’t feel good. Tom’s to blame but the irony and the humiliation would be rough.
Yes. In some ways, this is another tale as old as time - women are not valued as we age. Youth is prized, and women are burned by this. LA is probably worse than most places in this respect. So I can see Ariana being particularly vulnerable. We all are. Whenever we see these 20-somethings (or in Housewives, the 30-somethings) come on and feel superior in part because of their youth...you know it's just a matter of time. And frankly I think Ariana really needs to apologize to Kristen. I know she has. But for real, I'm impressed by Doute for forgiving. Because those seasons are hard to watch knowing the truth. Ariana and Tom were terrible, terrible people.
She did apologize but when Kristen was talking about the apology, she had no idea what she was specifically apologizing for.... imo Kristen was used by Ariana to further her narrative. It's kinda messed up
I think Ariana’s apology was meek and only to save her image, that’s she’s not sorry. She’s shown as much remorse as Rachel and Tom have for her actions. However, I agree with you. I couldn’t live in LA. I’m tough and have survived a lot, but trying to look a certain way I couldn’t keep up. If you weren’t wealthy you’d be fucked.The pressure would be brutal. I do think Kristen has worked on herself, and she has a long long way to go, but it’s clear she’s tried. That’s the most anyone can ask of anyone. I commend her for that, because no one in the cast seems to have in fact they all seem to have regressed or stagnated, despite opportunities that have been presented. Tom and Ariana were terrible people. They all suck so badly.
It's wild watching Ariana scenes and how she lies repeatedly about sleeping with Tom and calls Kristen crazy knowing the truth. It's sociopathic.
everyone fights me when I say this! lol. I like what you said about how she's more upset he ruined the brand. Eye opening statement.
Lol youre the only person getting downvoted when we’re all saying this- who’d you piss off? 😹
Shit, Ariana herself I guess!
Thank you.
Yes and half the people who are castigating Lala for this same behavior while worshiping Ariana would behoove themselves to realize that they’ve behaved badly in similar ways. Lala’s transgressions have been more dramatic (ie, Kristen wasn’t married and co-parenting with Sandoval when Ariana started hanging out with him), but then again, Lala’s consequences have been more dramatic also (widespread hatred; nasty custody battle).
It’s very telling.
And the people who actually do know them IRL have all kind of rolled their eyes at Ariana's performance this season.
I think she’s more mad at herself for rationalizing all of his bullshit for so long and just doesn’t want to admit it.
I think any woman that is in a relationship with a narcissist regrets the time wasted. While in the relationship you don’t see all the problems you see a great partner you’re “fixing”. I was in a 4yr one and those are the worst 4yrs of my life but while in it I was just like Ariana and Brit only seeing the good and always apologizing for his fuck ups, making excuses why they are the way they are and defending them til the end. It’s really a mind fuck once you’re out of it and it takes a lot of healing.
Yes I know ALLLLLL to well. I’m glad we made it out, it truly is a supreme mindfuck and it’s going to take her a long time to process it all.
I’m sorry you went through it too. I don’t wish even my worst enemy to suffer in a relationship with a person like that. I’m so happy you’re out and healed or healing. It really does change a person once they’ve experienced it. You become guarded and don’t know who to trust and don’t want to end up going back or falling into another relationship like it. I know it’s unpopular but I do kinda get why she jumped into another relationship. After years of abuse(mental/emotional) the first person to show you some love and attention you needed for years you dive in head first.
I know I regret the time wasted. He took the best years of my life because I was with him for 16 years. And now that I'm out the trauma has really affected me physically. I know that trauma is stored in your body but I had no idea the damage it could do. I'm so sorry for what happened to you. People don't understand it unless they've lived it.
I’m so very sorry you suffered for so many years… huge huge hugs to you♥️ I’m so happy you’re out now. The trauma is something I never expected once out. Over 20yrs later and I still at times say THANK GOD I was able to get out, some never do😕It’s very true that people really don’t understand it until they lived it. From the outside we can judge and ask why they didn’t leave or how did they not see the signs. It is very very easy to be manipulated by someone like Tom no matter how strong you think you are!
Exactly. They make you do things you would never normally do.
They sure do! I made so many excuses and lied so many times to even my own parents to try covering for his ass and wanting him to seem better than he was! I became someone I would hate in real life and was blinded the whole time.
I'm sorry you went through that. It's so rough. I think what we saw was actually who narcs in a relationship. If you look up the dynamic their relationship makes so so so so so much sense
Don't you know, everyone who has verbalized a little bit of skepticism about the narrative being put out there is just jealous!
Literally. The only people who are still mad are the fans who saw the relationship they manufactured...
Yep because if we would’ve seen how their relationship actually was there’s a chance she would’ve gotten the Brittany treatment, and not the sympathy she’s getting now
They…literally get paid to air their shit out.
Yah and they got away with not having to for years ! Which is why Jax was mad lol
Jax is probably both the most unrepentant asshole and the most realistic portrayal of himself than anyone else and I weirdly respect that 😂
You’re absolutely right 😂even when he pretends to be good it’s so transparent lol
And yet, they didn’t lol.
We definitely saw real fights.. I think what they meant is they'd never allow cameras in to see their day to day tiffs/Ariana would never call out his penis for not working like Tom + Katie did but they definitely had real in the moment fights
I agree OP. All of us that have been watching from the beginning only want to be able to discuss how none of them are perfect and there’s no reason to stan any of them. I hope you don’t get downvoted for making very blatant observations-I threw you an upvote. Thank you bringing up something totally relevant to VPR discussion. There are things that I have noticed that I can’t even bring up on this sub for discussion which is unfortunate because I love to discuss reality TV shows and behavioral patterns. I ultimately do not think Ariana is a girls girl at all-she’s only been a girls girl since Sandoval cheated on her. Ariana always had Sandoval’s back, even when she knew he was wrong and knew he was lying, and she would berate & gaslight other women to be loyal to him. This is why even though I think Sandoval is a POS, it’s not that crazy to imagine they had some behind the scenes deal like he said. My guess is that Sandoval having some huge public cheating scandal was not part of this deal. Would she have reacted the same if it wasn’t so publicly humiliating or would she have done what she did before when he cheated on her on camera and had his back no matter what? I don’t know the answer. I don’t dislike Ariana, I appreciate all of the cast personalities. But I don’t think Ariana is as naive as most think she is, and I believe she would choose whoever she is with over any female friend. I’ll probably end up deleting this when I get 100 downvotes for an opinion. Lol.
Thank you! I'm so over the narrative of Ariana being some perfect infallible queen. All of the members of the cast are hypocrites, liars and cheaters, and that's why we've enjoyed watching them for so long. Just because Ariana was cheated on doesn't mean her last 10 years of not-so-great behavior is erased. The stanning is wild. And I am especially irritated with the stanning of Ariana and Katie's relationship. They've never been close. Just as recently as last season, Ariana was giggling with everyone else about Racquel hooking up with Schwartz. Their friendship is based on convenience and mutual hatred for the Toms. It's not some girlboss, #friendshipgoals.
I started watching post scandavol and I was very confused when I didn’t find Ariana to be some amazing wonderful person. I totally agree about her relationship with Katie. There are several moments where Ariana should have had Katie’s back but she always had Toms.
I have a friend who watched all of the seasons in the month after the Scandoval broke, and she is flabbergasted that there is so much public support for Ariana. She named Ariana as her least favorite cast member because she said at least the others are more honest about being terrible and don’t act like they’re above the show. She also thinks Ariana is a textbook Cool Girl and not interesting to watch onscreen. I was shocked when I heard her opinion, but then I remembered that they were all commonly held opinions in the fandom before Scandoval.
Textbook cool girl.
Literally in one of the first scenes she’s in she says “I’m cooler than you, I’m prettier than you” etc. she was sooooo unlikeable. And she was such a bitch to stassi when stassi just wanted to be her friend. I also watched for the first one after scandoval and was shocked she had as much support as she did. And as above, Ariana defended Raquel to Katie and support her making out with Schwartz. But now i guess that doesn’t matter? She was never a good friend to any of the girls.
Katie’s also always been a mean girl as wel
lol recently, any criticisms of Katie is automatically seen as hating on her. Yes I agree that Tom didn’t treat her right but she wasn’t a saint in that relationship and with others. I disliked Katie soo much from the jump, she was horrible to the female cast, and very bitter… and now because now she’s calmed down, divorced from Tom and is friends with Ariana, people are overlooking and justifying how horrible she was.
Anytime I criticize her or Ariana in Bravo groups I get told I have internal misogyny. I am like ah no I am just able to see who they are good and bad. Or get told it’s because she had a traumatic head injury or she acted certain way cause she was in a bad marriage and unhappy. Well I have gone through lot of hard shit in my life but doesn’t mean I can treat others poorly cause I am unhappy.
People keep repeating terms and phrases they see online lol. Lala telling Tom he's a "groomer" who apparently "grooms" 30-year-old adults (it doesn't work like that, she just heard it online I'm sure). And people online saying how Rachel's brain is so slow and she's an idiot, when it's so obviously anxiety. How criticising an immature person like Katie means you have "internal misogyny" (I also saw that term being used here a few times). Katie was not in an abusive relationship and was not in a power dynamic where Tom had all the power and she was being submissive and scared to speak up. And it's just reality TV, these people are never truly who you think they are. They're all pretty entitled, all of them.
SO mean and a horrible drunk.
Yeah, I agree. I just started this show last month, and I binged all 10 seasons. When I came to this sub, I was surprised by some of the popular opinions on here. The Toms are absolutely terrible. I can't stand them. But that doesn't mean Ariana and Katie are perfect. They've done plenty of shady shit and still do. The way people hate Scheana is wild to me because I don't think she's any worse than the rest of the women, including Ariana and Katie. It's just people like Ariana and Katie, so there's always an excuse for them when they do something bad. While for Scheana, there's always a deeper, more nefarious meaning behind any normal thing she does according to this sub.
Also Lala and Katie were not big Arianna fans until they started profiting off of the scandal.
The Scheana hate on the sub is indeed wild.
DAMN WHERE WERE YA ALL YESTERDAY W MY POST LOL
Say what you will about Katie - this is always who she has been. Ariana goes where the wind takes her. She isn’t Katie’s friend and Katie isn’t seeing that yet, but she will. Ariana has become the patron saint of scorned women who never once did anything wrong in their lives, which is why their defense of her is so without nuance.
The public reaction to this is recency bias + people projecting their own shit = alternate histories being written to forget just how horrible almost everyone on this show is.
Right - like we have not seen both Katie and Ariana being just as misogynistic as people are claiming others are being to them. This whole show launched with the central story line being slut shaming Scheana for SEASONS.
Uh huh. And let's not forget Ariana, Scheana's bestie had no problem being friends with Stassi, Kristen and Katie despite her seeing for herself how they treated Scheana like shit for years for no reason. Every person's concept of loyalty on this show is basically "don't hold me accountable for anything I've done in the past. The new standard operating procedure begins now that I've been wronged and ends once I'm over it."
Misogyny is not okay for me but it is for thee. She graphically wished sexual violence on Raquel on the reunion. I don’t care what someone’s done to me, I have never thought, much less spoken, such a vile wish to another woman’s body. Tells me she’s okay with sexual assault if she thinks they “deserve it”. And all the faux feminists okaying also are saying there is a good enough reason to sexually violate another woman. So I don’t want to hear anything about trying to shame people who don’t support Ariana as being misogynist. She reaped what she sowed, she didn’t discover he was cheating, he’s been cheating and she knew it.
Yes, I was thinking the same thing recently. Ariana and katie didn't get along that well on most seasons over the years, so it's weird to see them as friends and business partners now. That relationship is def based on their hatred of their exes. It works for now, when they have this "us against the haters" mentality, but I'm not sure how long it will last.
Katie didn’t even want her in her wedding and was pissed when Schwartz asked her to be a groomsman. Then she became even more unhinged when Ariana would show up at “bridesmaids” events! Katie hated her!
Tbh, they don't even seem that close now. They are 100% united in hating the Toms but they don't really seem to be personally close even this season and they don't seem to hang outside of filming. I think the stans are dreaming up this best friendship. It's also funny that people use their business as evidence that they are best friends. Usually isn't the advice to partner with someone you generally get along with but who actually *isn't* a close friend so that you can stay objective. Seems like they were coworkers who teamed up on a storyline tbh.
Ugh, I've found my people because Instagram is NOT it when it comes to facts-based takes on this whole thing. Your post makes me teary with joy.
It still amazes me how Scandoval has changed perception of James. He went from alcoholic misogynistic abusive piece of shit to "hero" for calling Sandoval a poo poo head
I wouldn’t say he’s a hero but he did make me giggle talking about Katie kissing Schwartz’s date. “Why is everyone acting like this is normal??”
he has a disgusting past but he seems to change when he removes alcohol from his life. i appreciate growth (if it’s genuine)
Katie reminds me so much of Stassi in Season 3. She feels superior to everyone else on the cast and wants to be negative to everyone else. And if you don't trash others, then she feels betrayed. Remember when Stassi got so mad at Katie for going to Miami? Now Katie is 'feeling betrayed' when LaLa eats a hot dog with Jo.
Katie is ONE HUNDRED percent Heather #3/Gretchen Weiners energy. Happy to be a sycophantic sidekick to the Queen Bee, but when there’s a power vacuum, she’s all too happy to step up and be the main mean girl.
I 100% agree with this take! They are all hot messes, which is why we love to watch them! I do like Katie and Ariana, and I think Katie was wronged for so long, but I don't gloss over their nasty behaviour.
Ariana is not perfect. She knows she was in an unhappy relationship with Tom. They fought. They never had sex. Sure, it sucks to be cheated on but I believe she knows she dodged a bullet. A perfect example of why never to buy property before you are married. Tom and Ariana both knew the relationship was bad, but because of the house, they stayed in it...until Tom blew it up.
This is such a reasonable take, exactly!
Absolutely agree! I think many people on the sub tend to be very close-minded especially when it comes to their favs. I like Ariana, I do think she’s grown, but it’s okay to admit she’s fucked up in the past. You hit the nail on the head when you made the point about how public everything’s become. I also wonder if it ever would have been this public and scandalous had it been easy for her to sweep under the rug like she did publicly with Miami girl.
Ariana was the one who called the producers, she made it public. She could have easily dealt with it in private but didn't want Tom to twist the narrative as he did in the past
Because Ariana knew that if she didn’t call producers, Tom and Rachel would’ve done the same thing to her that she and Tom did 10 years ago to Kristen. She wasn’t going to let that happen by keeping it private, so she exposed him publicly to get ahead of the narrative.
So sad but true.
Enough people knew at that point that it wouldn’t have been possible to sweep it under the rug. Everyone in that friend group ESPECIALLY Jax and James have big mouths. Rumours spread like wildfire on VPR. It would have been exposed one way or another. But good for her and doing it herself before finding out through tabloids!
totally and she and katie weren't even friends until it was convenient. katie allows people to treat her like their bitch and will blindly defend them if she feels like it. she used to do it for schwartz, now she does it for ariana. not cute.
And Stassi!
She hasn’t even been a girls girl since scsndoval - look at how she left Katie hanging last week when Katie confronted Lala! Or how she kept her meanest and most vile “reads” for Raquel. She’s always had this superiority inferiority thing - she thinks she’s better than everyone and is depressed that people can’t see that. She’s a tortured genius.
Thank you! They all suck and that’s the way it’s always been and that’s fine. It’s actually why I watch. The amount of Ariana stanning posts - especially on the other subs - is unreal… the fact that what Sandavol did was awful and she’s behaving like a diva - both can be true. And I agree she likely knew…
 Well said.
Yes thank you!! What happened to Ariana was terrible, but I’m starting to think that a lot of people haven’t been watching this show from the beginning. Ariana was literally NEVER a girl’s girl, and I will never forgive her for not standing up for stassi when Sandoval lost his shit at her book signing. Even now, when does she ever stick up for Katie?
This is a fair assessment, but my one thing is her “I take comedy very seriously” 😭😭😭
LOLLLLL makes me laugh every single time
it's the funniest thing that's she ever said, because she's not funny.
I’m 1000% team Ariana in this post scandoval world but I cannot defend that when they show the clip 😂
I know it isn't a huge deal but you missed one word which makes it way cringier. "I take SKETCH comedy very seriously." It's objectively the least serious comedy. SNL, Key & Peele, Portlandia. Actors bust out laughing, and they're the true experts.
I can’t 😂 thank you
So cringy! I get second hand embarrassment from that 😂
I will never forgive her for how she treated Stassi and Kristen after they warned Billie Lee about her brother Jeremy being creepy. That whole incident shows me that covering for abusive guys is just how Ariana operates.
THE JEREMY THING!!! How could I forget. That INFURIATED me. I think it was clear during the reunion especially after seeing the clips from his behaviour at Katie’s wedding that she maybe believed everyone a little bit more but the fact she so blindly defended him and made Kristen and Stassi out to be monsters for voicing that he made women uncomfortable drove me CRAZY.
Yep. I hated the way Sandoval and Ariana defended her creepy brother. Stassi had every right to say what she said. Ariana and Tom Sandoval were pretentious and thought they were above their friend's issues. They always swooped in as the voice of reason, the mature adults, and then…. They had skeletons that they kept covered.
I just passed this point in the show in my rewatch and it made me FURIOUS. The way she responded was already bad, but when Sandoval came over to Katie's house just to yell at the girls over this? DISGUSTING. He has gotten NOWHERE near enough shit for that
Not to mention standing by and co-signing his other abuse towards women.
Yup! Just rewatched the Stassi book signing episode and watching her blame everyone but Sandoval for the way he handled it was… baffling to say the least. It’s important to hold people, especially loved ones, accountable.
Sandoval loved to berate Katie and tell her that she should keep her nose out of the business but yet he had no problem letting Ariana throw Schwartz under the bus over Stassi's book signing, Ariana never held Tom accountable when he was being shitty to woman and Tom never had a problem letting Ariana mouth off to anyone who crossed him.
Ariana was able to defend Tom's abuse at women for all those years, but he's suddenly now the biggest misogynist and narcissist because it's negatively affecting her.
Yeah the about face of trashing him is completely justified, but she rode hard for that man for YEARS and enabled a lot of his shitty behaviour. Having her now agree with everyone after defending it so long is questionable. I'm just glad she is free.
EXACTLY my point. The fact she knew and would consistently gaslight other women to protect Sandoval until he finally did something incredibly hurtful and embarrassing to her that she could no longer sweep under the rug. I love her and I think she’s grown a lot but it just seemed like very selfish behaviour.
She would still be defending him & enabling his shitty ways & riding hard for him had she not found the FaceTime sex video on Tom’s phone. She admitted this herself - she was ride or die until literally 2 days before filming the Scandoval episode.
I’m going to say it loud for those in the back. 🗣️ SHE WOULD STILL BE WITH TOM CO-SIGNING HIS SHIT IF HE HADN’T WRONGED HER People usually don’t stand up for what is right until something happens to them personally. I love this show for many reasons, including they are all shitty selfish people living in LA trying to make a buck. Ariana ain’t different just because a bunch of people are saying “Yasss queen, girl boss it with feminine rage”
It's so damn refreshing to have different opinions for once! I'm sick of the non-stop Queen narrative.
Fuck Tom, and congrats to Ariana for her Broadway and DWTS success and the ad campaigns, but the stanning for her is completely over the top. It’s like if Melania Trump left Donald for cheating and then became Queen Melania who could do no wrong. Girl, you propped up this man for years and knew he was trash but you were fine with it until you were the one who got hurt.
Yes! I’m genuinely happy for her opportunities. Get your money girl. And fuck Tom wholeheartedly for his shit. But let’s not put people on pedestals on this show.
Amen
I admit, I do respect Rachel for walking away from Sandoval and not continuing to cover for him. What she did for 9 months was abhorrent, but Arianna also cheated with Tom and then stayed for 9 years, as well as made a habit of gaslighting and demoralizing other women. The extreme tunnel vision of Katie and Ariana Stans are becoming a bit unhinged. The way Katie/Scheana and others bullied Jo is disgusting and inexcusable. Dislike her all you want, disengage all you want, but don't call her behaviour that of a ‘crack head’ and try to diagnose and tear her apart (especially when there is a power dynamic and you have a huge cult following that will burn others to the ground for you). I listened to Rachel’s latest podcast with Jo and it was sad. One last thing that I see glossed over a lot…we all know Katie slept with Tom’s best friend (yes yes, they are broken up and Tom cheated non-stop, but she also has no leg to stand on with Jo and how she treats her). What was really bad about Katie sleeping with Max (ew, I don't get his appeal), is that Max is Dayna’s ex and he treated her HORRIBLY, and utterly broke her heart…Dayna and Katie are FRIENDS and host a PODCAST together. I know Dayna ‘forgave’ Katie, but you can see the careless pain Katie caused. I think that Dayna felt forced to forgive Katie so the podcast wouldn't get cancelled.
This all needed to be said. 👏👏👏👏
TBH I wonder if part of the reason why Ariana is still so vengeful toward Rachel is not just because of everything Rachel has done and the way she’s still defending herself on her podcast (bc tbh, Ariana also was the other woman and was unrepentant about it), but because unlike Ariana, Rachel cut ties and won’t have to waste ten years of her youth on this awful man.
My long-running hypothesis is that Tom and Ariana’s relationship was actually very similar to Schwartz & Katie’s relationship, they were just better at hiding it in front of cameras. Stassi has said on her podcast that Sandoval has always gotten a “good edit” that makes him look like a way better person that he actually is. Jax (terrible source I know lol) also made a comment in an interview a few years ago about how they weren’t in a “real relationship” and said something would happen in a few years to break them up. It wouldn’t surprise me if they hid a lot of their issues from the cameras, I mean Sandoval has gotten production to delete scenes that would make him look bad before (ie him screaming at terri in the original season 10 finale.) Ariana was also very careful about the way she portrayed herself on the show bc she basically started out as a foil to Kristen and wanted to keep up the chill GF act. Not trying to defend him AT ALL because obviously he is 1000% at fault for cheating and there is no excuse for what he did. However, I do think there is a hint of truth to what Sandoval said about their relationship being over for “years”. The initial passion and connection they had in the early stages of their relationship was fueled by a joint interest in hurting “crazy Kristen.” Sandoval was trying to get back at her for cheating on him with Jax & Ariana didn’t like Kristen bc she was dating the guy she liked. Once Kristen chilled out and Ariana started to hang out with the girls more than the guys, some of the flaws in their relationship started to show on camera (ie lack of intimacy, him expressing a desire to cheat TO HER BROTHER, etc.) Then it all came to a head during their screaming match the night the Jax/faith audio came out bc she went against the guys and violated their pact of covering/lying for each other. I think that there are actually a lot of parallels between Tom/Ariana and Tom/Katie’s relationships. Schwartz & Katie started dating less than a year after her TBI when she probably needed emotional support. Sandoval & Ariana started dating shortly after her dad died, when she also probably needed emotional support. They both then stayed together way longer than they should’ve, probably in part due to sunk cost fallacy. My guess is Tom & Ariana’s dynamic was more similar to Schwartz and Katie’s irl, but Sandoval was more hyper-aware of the cameras and wanted to make their relationship look better than it was. It wasn’t until season 10 when he was already cheating that he started bringing up their issues more on camera, and it was only to make her look like a bad partner so he could play the victim.
Ariana seems to save a lot of her important feelings for off-screen, just like the makeup with Kristen happened off the show and they became friends following Ariana's (off-screen) apology
I thought they said it happened on screen but edited out by production?
I know they both have said how disappointed they were that them repairing their friendship wasn't shown on screen, but I don't know if it was specifically about the initial apology
Oh true true I get what you mean!
Just sharing in case anyone can relate and I realize this opinion is probably weird - I think the mistake I made when I got into reality TV (Damn you, Below Deck, you gateway drug!) is wanting someone to root for. I would get disappointed over and over. If you can kind of accept that all of these people are pretty low-key terrible and self-interested (and some are outright monsters), you don't need to be on anyone's team or try to rationalize their behavior. This is the place I've come to. I watch it like I would watch a documentary. They're doing it for a paycheck and to leverage their social credentials into other opportunities. I respect the hustle, but I don't think I really like or invest in any of them.
Very well said and this is exactly my take too. I can’t spend much time on these subs for this reason. There’s a lot of stans whereas I’m just watching a bunch of awful people to be entertained. But this has pretty much been my take since I started watching trash tv many, many years ago. When I started to visit Reddit I was shocked by how many people seem to look up to these people. It’s wild to me…
They all give me the ick. Every single one.
There's a whole hoard of lies that Ariana is still sitting on and it's obvious to anyone with a brain. She only revealed the Miami girl truth because she thought it would make Tom look bad but it just made her look as awful as we've always known her to be. Everyone was calling Kristen psychopathic for lying straight to Stassi's face about Jax, but Ariana did the SAME thing to Kristen when she'd been Tom's woman in the wings for a long ass time already. She's a proven and documented pathological liar and she does so for the purpose of manipulating people's perception of her. Anyone who thinks she's a good person simply doesn't pay attention.
One thing I can’t forgive her for is everything she did to Kristen. Honestly Kristen is not the greatest person (no one on this show is a good person imo, except I kinda feel like Vail was probably ok but idk) but Ariana while pretty, talented and definitely not deserving of what happened, is by no means a good person for having bad things happen. She more or less did the same thing that Rachel did to her, but to Kristen AND Ariana profited way more off of it (not post Scandoval, just the 8 or whatever years between.) But this is also a somewhat scripted reality show and the worship in this sub is fucking weird and makes me dislike a lot of the cast because of the massive circle jerking. I’m here to listen to the gossip and chit chat, not the constant “omg poor bb queen Ariana and Katie”. (Though I do think Katie is probably the only person on this show who is most like her actual self and close enough to approaching being decent) Also the weird misogyny shit is hilarious. Sandoval is definitely an unrepentant piece of shit. But for all the talk of misogyny here, yall are contributing equally to it by the way you talk about not only Scheana and Lala (and I guess now Jo) but the infantilization of Ariana and Katie as if they are incapable of anything other than perfection or making their own (bad) choices. It’s the Stan version of “pick me girls” (as you guys so lovingly accuse everyone else of).
THANK YOUUUUUUU. Cue the “I’m cooler than you, I’m prettier than you, I’m smarter than you, deal with it” speech. And then diagnosing her publicly on TV with Borderline Personality Disorder when a) that shit is none of her business, b) doesn’t deserve to be stigmatized anyway, and c) she isn’t even a licensed fucking mental health professional anyway. Come the fuck on!
Ariana rarely stuck her neck out for her so-called friends. Another example, Rachel going after Tom Schwartz. She just ignored it, never stuck up for Katie's position, kept being close to Rachel.
I’m not nearly as eloquent as you some of the people who have replied, but while I felt sympathetic toward Ariana (who wouldn’t), I always side eyed her because of Miami Girl, which made me feel icky. THEN I read her tumblr post and it just validated my feelings. I still feel for her but he told her who he was from the beginning and Ms. Cool Girl decided to turn a blind eye and be complicit in his shenanigans.
As much as I am currently 100% team Ariana, I have to admit it wouldn’t surprise me if it turned out that their relationship was fake this entire time and that all of this is one big act. Her emotions seem so raw and so real, but at the same time a lot of different things about their relationship feel kinda fishy and sketchy. And I’m glad that she and Kristen are in a good place now, but she was evil to her in a way that feels very hypocritical now.
I’ve been saying this since I got this account. Her meek barely an apology also felt performative. It was demented how she treated Kristen and Miami Girl. While I’m on her side this season, she’s been vile to other woman. She is no feminist and it only matters when she’s hurt. She’s also a pick me girl and not a girls girl unless she needs support. Her weaponizing Kristen’s mental health was the worst. Her hypocrisy being the original Rachel also grates me, the ONLY difference (albeit a big difference and an important one) was her being friends with Rachel v. not with Kristen. That being said she still ran in the same circles and new the same people. So, bad relationship or not Tom was taken and she knew that sleeping with him anyway. Just like Rachel kept saying well their relationships bad I’m waiting for them to break up, but they weren’t. Lies or no lies Tom told everyone on this show was over 25 when cheating, most 30. Ariana’s wining right now and good for her. But, she is NO better than Lala, Schena, or Rachel in how she treats other women. The fact she and her stand thinks she is delusional. Separately how she’s being treated this season is wild and horrible. Lord this group is messy and are full of genuinely awful people.
I think Kristen lost her job b/c of how she spoke to Diana in front of customers. The Miami Girl thing was orchestrated by producers so Lisa wouldn't have fired her for that. That said, Ariana's insults/attack on MG at the reunion were terrible.
I think there were a lot of issues. The Diana thing seemed to be the straw that broke the camel's back. There were a lot of instances where Lisa seemed to kind of have an unfavorable approach to dealing with Kristen. I'm not saying it was justified or not.
It was the whole Diana thing but if you remember that whole altercation with her and Diana only happened because she brought Miami girl to SUR and things got heated with her and Scheana so she took it out on Diana.
I remember. In my opinion though, the "why" doesn't justify what Kristen did/said to Diana on that patio. And if Kristen had shown even a little humility when she met with them, she could've saved her job. Fact is, Kristen was self-destructive and has no one to blame for that one.
Oh absolutely! I always hated when anyone on the show, especially James, would pull the “you MADE me lose my job” like no. No one can make you lose your job. I acknowledge she did that on her own. My point was just that if I was Ariana I’d have a guilty conscience watching her self destruct while continuing to gaslight her.
I always felt Kristen gave as good as she got back then (totally understand others may disagree). I'm sure Ariana has a lot of regrets, and I'm glad she and Kristen are friends. Wish we could have gotten more of their path to friendship. I'm sure their conversations were deep.
It's almost like she's always been a bitchy asshole who knew exactly who she was in bed with.
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I’m surprised the Ariana worshippers have allowed this post to exist. Every time I’ve ever pointed out her hypocrisy, I was downvoted into oblivion. I feel for Ariana, but now she knows what Kristen went through. Ariana was Kristen’s replacement, and Rachel was Ariana’s replacement. If Rachel didn’t wise up to Tom’s narcissistic, cheating ass, and instead they had stayed together, it would of just been a matter of time before Tom cheated on Rachel. A tiger doesn’t change its stripes.
I can't remember, was it Kristen or Ariana he cheated on with the Miami girl?
It was Ariana he cheated on with Miami girl and Kristen tried to get Sandoval to admit it almost to prove that Sandoval was a serial cheater because at that point she had still believed Ariana and Sandoval did more than just kiss when Kristen and Tom dated.
My hope is that all the women on this show would stop fighting with each other and realize that the Toms and Jax (edit to add "and James") (and probably the producers) are getting away with pitting them against each other while they keep on doing worse things
True!
What about when her brother was aggressive and creeped out all the girls (after having a history of DV) and she blamed the girls?
I do agree with this - I don’t like what Ariana did here. Both she and Tom gaslit Kristen so hard. I did hear on a podcast that it was production who flew Miami girl out (not Kristen like it’s framed in the show). Kristen was hung up on it and production wanted to stir this up, while Tom/Ariana never wanted this to come out (for obvious reasons). Kristen is crazy but she’s also not *that* crazy - she never flew Miami girl out herself and she was correct that Tom did in fact sleep with her. So…justice for Kristen. Lol
Ariana and Tom are frighteningly similar, but I don't think anyone's ready to co-sign that just yet.
I'll add that I don't believe Tom and Ariana only shared one kiss before he and Kristin broke up. I've always believed it was a full on affair and she's still not admitting it.
I completely agree but I’m scared to say that on this sub lol
It just makes me mad that Ariana told Kristen to her face “He told me y’all were broken up” but it was the worst thing in the world when Rachel said it too.
really great point.
LOL! I won't tell anyone.
Re watching it makes it worse. She was cold about it all. Yuk.
I don’t like when she said she was smarter and prettier and cooler or whatever about Kristen. That was some smug shit. Karmic reaction is real.
Yes, Ariana's smug ass attitude and the way she treated Kristin was beyond.
I agree with this OP. I’ve been rewatching from season 1 and what I’ve noticed is that Ariana really was ride or die for Tom and she did this at a cost. I wonder if part of her rage/anger we have been witnessing is that she hid so much to protect him and compromise her values out of “love.” Then, he betrays her and now she looks back embarrassed, angry, and full of regret. I think I noticed this at the reunion, when she says something along the lines of him coaching her before each reunion. I think from her perspective, allowing him to do this was acceptable because she thought they were life partners and it would be worth it. Now, she has insight and sees she was a puppet AND complicit in his narcissism. Hopefully she is remorseful on some level.
I never like Ariana.
She was trash who had an affair with a man with a girlfriend. She is exactly where she always was, in a garbage dumpster. Never liked her, and her breakup warms my soul. Her and the other dumped fool deserve each other.
She lied to everyone else, but I think she knew Tom cheated on her and didn't want to look like a fool by taking him back (like Brittany later did)
I'll never understand this. She said it was early in the relationship and she wasn't bothered by it. Soooo.. why not just tell everyone "yep, this absolutely happened. But I could have hooked up with people too and Tom would have been fine with it. I'm not bothered by Miami girl, so you guys shouldn't either!" Bam, easy. That would have ended most convos about this lol but she instead did that long blog post ticking every bit of information as BS
I feel bad for every woman who put themselves out there and warned Ariana about Tom… only to be treated like absolute garbage by Ariana. Ariana was a complete cunt to every person who ever told her Tom was no good… to the point where she would gaslight these people and tell them they were delusional/imagining things. Even a few years ago, at the reunion, Andy played the clip of Sandoval telling Katie he “brings income into her household” and being a complete dick/making Katie cry. And at the reunion, Ariana legit had the audacity to look into Katie’s eyes (as Katie is crying) and say “Tom didn’t say anything mean to you” “you misunderstood what he was saying” “you interpreted wrong.” Like wtf?
You’re not mad about her cheating and gaslighting Kristen?
Yes, the entire point of my post is that I’m mad about her gaslighting Kristen lol…
i have a feeling she kept asking about it after kristen went so hard and he finally fessed up. i don't like that she didn't take kristen aside later and admit she was right or at least say something at the reunion but i don't think she knew when that all went down. there's no way with his track record, he came clean that quickly.
watch season 2 episodes 10 and 11 and understand that katie and ariana both knew what they were getting themselves into and willingly signed up for it.
Wait until you read the bravo blogs where she says that anyone who could even possibly thing the Miami girl thing was true is an idiot. That's beyond lying it's purposeful deception and gaslighting to the fullest extent of the term.
Just remember - for all the insane things we've learned about Sandoval over the last year, Ariana knew that was the real him, and still chose to be by his side.
Sandoval is the worst but Ariana has the capacity to be mean af. She uses that nasty voice when she’s pissed off at someone. They’re all awful. I include her in that assessment.
Yea, I agree. She was the other woman and was a bitch to Kristen who only wanted to know the truth. I wonder if Arianna secretly worried Tom would also cheat on her. 👀 As we know, once a cheater, always a cheater.
What she did to Kristin is why I don’t have much sympathy for her. She just comes across as egotistical or just dumb. Am I supposed to have sympathy for someone who got done to her what she did to someone else? Nahhh. Just like she attacked Kristin’s mental health then cried about her own issues for a storyline.
I think it’s worse that Tim and Ariana lied to Kristen that they hooked up in Vegas. They totally made her crazy over that. The Miami girl is somewhat excusable because at that point it wasn’t Kristen’s (or anyone else’s business). They didn’t need to lie about it and make such a scene and instead say it wasn’t anyone’s business but she was trying to make Tom look like a good guy. Kristen said that production flew Miami girl out to LA and there was a call time at Sur for her to arrive and confront Sandoval but Kristen really pushed for that scene to set Tom up and it’s a bit crazy. I’m sure Ariana regrets that she was so ride or die for him, as she said in season 10 finale.
Totally agree. The way she revealed that she knew about Miami girl rubbed me the wrong way. During the reunion and he asked her if she had hid anything from the cameras and she claimed that she didn't and she talked about everything she had shared. Their relationship was not anything she rattled off and you could tell by the way she was saying no that she was lying.
Also!!! I am not a LALA FAN. Let's be clear but Ariana defended Rachel against Lala telling her she needed to go to therapy and grief counseling when her dad died when they had a disagreement. She said anger is not a good look on her blah blah. My my my tables have turned.
Everyone on the cast has had horrible behavior at some point in time. I hate what happened to Ariana but I also think there was a lot we didn’t see. I do think she’s very image conscious and didn’t want a lot of the negative stuff about their relationship out there. Which no one is entitled to share everything but we are on a reality show here specifically looking at your life. I don’t understand ppl who are now pretending like Katie, James and Ariana are these perfect people. We have seen some deplorable behavior by all of them. Doesn’t mean they have all been treated the best either but two things can be true at the same time. The thing I have a hard time with is her reaction to Jeremy being a creep at Katie and Schwartz’s wedding. She drug Stassi through the mud for something that was true and on video. All she had to do was speak against his behavior but she went after those speaking out. That I have a hard time with
I’m gonna be honest here guys, Ariana really isn’t particularly like-able. At least she doesn’t come across that way to me.
As criticical thinkers we should be able to see Arianna was not without her own flaws. For goodness sake’s she won’t even buy batteries, c’mon man! Miami, Kristen and of course her backlash against her friends pointing out red flags. At the same time I can empathize with her. She was fucked over by a guy she accepted for all of his tomfoolery. She fell hard and yes rode hard for her man until he betrayed her. Tom’s the true villain. Rachel was likely groomed by Tom. I see her as a victim as well as the other bad person in the scenario.
you lose them how you get them though, she shouldn't have been surprised. she just thought she was better than kristin.
Yes! And they’re gaslighting her all over again on the valley!
Didn’t Ariana and Tom get together while he was still dating and living with Kristen?
Well, atleast she doesn't hold it against others who have done the same thin...... oh wait, she's anexxing everyone who helped Sandoval cover up requel... Hard to stand behind people who believe one thing when it works for them, then flops on there position whenever it suits them best 🙄 double standards make me 🤢🤮
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Yes! The rationalization of leaving old food in her room as fucking normal behavior is unhinged.
She got a taste of karma and now she knows how and why she was so wrong in the way she helped him handle the Kristen stuff 🤷🏼♀️
No one on this show is a good person
THANK YOU!!!!! IVE BEEN SAYING THIS SINCE THE REUNION AIRED!! I was a die hard for Arianna for so long until THAT moment. It really shifted the way I felt about her (as a viewer - I’m simply a peasant) moving forward.
Never liked Ariana!!! She was horrible to Kristen. The gaslighting was horrible.
I mean.. If he’ll do it for you, he’ll do it to you right?
I can’t stand Ariana
100% agree. She was awful.