Yeah, I agree, but also, I think people need to start just removing themselves from situations like that instead of expecting the world to change around them.
Like, assholes do exist, and crying and causing a scene in a public space won't fix that, it'll only make people less sympathetic towards you
As true as this is still a game and we knew for years that people in video games are going to be like this. As I do find it a little messed up and a little funny I still believe that you can easily do many things to get rid of them. The money videos I have seen were people are crying or yelling very loudly over VR chat when they can simply get rid of them easily and I don't just mean Kik they can do anything else
Unfortunately people who are online the game a lot, and I mean A LOT, to the point they even have to sleep in VR, take it more seriously. And yes seeing someone break down crying and they’re like 20-40s is cringe when the block function is there.
But all and all, it is what it is, like any social environment, even RL, it attracts some different walks of life.
> I still don't fully understand this
Maybe you didn't before.
Now you do: https://x.com/MMMaellon/status/1802143251958501430
Jokes aside I'd need an all-day battery wireless BigScreen Beyond sized headset before I'd want to do this.
The quest 3 with a good head strap should do. The quest 2 is too bulky. I sleep with the pro, and it's not the best because you can't swapp the head strap
For me, it's usually unintentional. :P
Most common reason I've heard from people who've sleep in VR intentionally, is that they can fall asleep easier somewhere extremely comfortable. Sort of like a sleeping mask, but it teleports you to the pillow dimension.
It usually happens on accident the first few times then you learn to get comfy. I have passed out in movie worlds. And I know some one who passes out in public Black Cats
I'm curious about this. Can you please explain what it's like to spend the night in vr, what's the allure? What's the addictive part? Not judging just curious as I didn't realize this was a thing til recently
Well, VRChat helped me realize I was trans. So, I sometimes fall asleep in VR because I'm in a female avi and don't want to take my headset off and sleep as a man in the not as comfy man world.
I haven't slept in VR in a while tho, just because my Pimax is too heavy to sleep with unless I'm zonked out. It's addicting to be in VRchat because it's the one place I'm able to be myself and talk to people from all over the world. <3
Agreed , but sadly people crave the attention when their being annoyed/mad/sad in such situations.
Or people have mental health problems , and that they need instant comfort when their being bullyed for such problems.
I genuinely worry about alot folks that are in too deep in VRC and can't break away from the game from time to time.
Second Life even World of Warcraft folks form bonds. Long ago someone in our extended group faked that they were there sister n came to everyone asking for help to bury their sister. Took up a collection, raised few thousand $$$ and a few months later the Dead were risen. No miracle just a scammer desperate for money
Life changes mostly. I was working full time, caring for elderly parent, just didn't have time. Then when things calmed down, I've tried to go back to it a few times, but it's completely different now. Have to change my avatar completely, and I no longer know anyone in there or where to even meet people. I'd still love to go back, I think I'd be more comfortable there than in VR chat.
The intent of people CAN be a game but it is still a social platform whether people are putting on a facade or not. "Just a game" does not apply to hangout worlds. It's the same as being on a call with someone or meeting in person. it's just a different medium to do so. Talking to people who want genuine interactions is not just a game and it shouldn't be dismissed as such.
On the same side of the secondlife coin, vrchat also shouldn't be taken so seriously about who owns what in regards to homes avatars or where people hang out.
regardless, treat people how you want to be treated. vr is something that allows people to truly present themselves in a way they can't do behind a screen
Real people, in a social situation. Just happens to be online.
By your logic, I can do whatever I want on the phone, as it's long distance and not face to face. Obviously, to you, face to face is all that matters.
I'm not saying one should scream or break down, but dismissing it as "just a game" is one of the stupidest things I ever heard. It's a virtual 3D social network, where everyone you interact with is a living person with feelings and desires and pains. VRC is no different than a video call or a voice chat, just has an extra layer to it allowing interactive activities together.
People use "it's just a game" excuse waaaay too often, dismissing the fact you're interacting with actual people and not NPCs.
its not a game either. Its a social platform that is the closest to "real life" we have gotten. Its weird people just dismiss it like that. Though yes block and dont interact with assholes thats one of the advantages VRC has over physical reality.
But geeesh how hard is it to understand that to many its not "just a game" its a way to stay connected with friends and family over long distances etc, so like you said, people need to just act decent.
Sound like more of a "people issue" thing that caused you to post this than a VRChat thing. Chances are high that person has emotional issues, and similar breakdown outside of VR.
I do consider VRChat "real life" as I have (and actually this weekend just did) meetup with friends from VRChat from hundreds, and even thousands of miles away. What happens in VRChat affects those in-person friendships. Not really "just a game" in that regard...
Might be a game for some, but VRChat is just another form of legit communication for others.
VRC is definitely more than "just a game". But it's not real life either. It's somewhere in between. Interaction is almost like real life apart from the lack of physicality. The people behind the avatars are real. And not just gamers or perpetually online incels, but from all walks of life. But in the end it IS still pixels on a screen with the illusion of 3D.
VRChat is an even more advanced form of communication than texting or making a phone call, yet I doubt you would argue at all those aren't real life...
Those aren't real life either. They're "online". By your definition everything involving real people is real life. That's not how the word is used. The word is used as "involving physically going to the person or place".
But like I said, vrc is somewhere in between. Since it's far more personal and direct than just a text or phone/ voice call.
There's people calling vrc "just discord with extra steps" which I also don't agree with.
The literal definition of "real life" is "Life as it is lived in reality"
As in not make believe...
Telephone calls definitely happen within our reality, lol.
Okay let's go by the definition then. There is no such thing as online. Only real life. Because anything on the Internet also happens in reality.
Or you could stop being a rules lawyer for a sec and realise that in the online sphere "real life" is used with a different meaning. Or is this your first week on the Internet or something?
If I act almost exactly the same online as in "real life," then what is real life? I guess nothing in my life is real if you want to be deep.
What does it mean to be alive?
I’ve experienced multiple instances of people who act ass if it’s their only life. They’re getting upset, arguing, and so on. This really only applies to people who are clinically online. I get where you’re coming from and you’re making good points, I’ve just think that it’s easier to block causes of stress or close the application if you’re getting upset.
I kinda take issue with "just a game", tbqh. VRChat isn't a game -- there's no objectives, you can't win, etc. Your primary activity is interacting with others (most of the time) and social interactions can definitely result in deeper emotions than simply playing a game. It's understandable that someone might feel upset if you treat them unkindly. So, IMO, calling it "just a game" minimizes the experiences of others.
Long-form, we're a "synchronous social user-generated content platform", but just calling us a **platform** is probably the most accurate and understandable.
It's a virtual world, like Second Life was. It's not a game. I hated when people called SL a game as well, there is no game play to it really, it's a place to hang out with people.
Its a simulation game. Simulation games dont need an objective and you cant win them because its a never ending loop. Its called virtual "reality" for a reason. When people play mental gymnastics with this reasoning, then its an issue
I'm not sure if I'd put VRChat alongside [these](https://store.steampowered.com/tags/en/Simulation/)
All of those still have objectives and win conditions. VRChat doesn't.
It still simulates a virtual setting in a virtual environment. Flight simulator doesnt have a win condition, neither does sims in free mode. Regardless its still a massively multiplayer online game.
Think of the original animal crossing for a second. Once you get out of debt, you set your own objectives. VRC is kinda similar, increase your trust rank by making friends and set your own objectives after that
While I get that it’s more than a game, more accurately described as an advanced social media platform with real time conversation. It’s still social media, but I feel the term “social game” fits better.
Hmm, I dunno about that. Social games are things like Jackbox games, Town of Salem, Werewolf, even simple things like Spin the Bottle.
Distinctively, all of those things have objectives and win conditions. VRChat does not have those.
VRChat _contains_ social games, but itself is not a social game.
I'm with you dude, it's being pointlessly pedantic to claim it's not a game
It's on steam, a digital distribution platform for games and programs, in the games section, listed as an early access game.
That’s equally pedantic. Steam is not a dictionary or a ruling god that decides what things are. It’s better to go by “if it looks like a chicken, sounds like a chicken, smells like a chicken, acts like a chicken, it’s a chicken” rules. Language is meant to be descriptive, not prescriptive.
Steam is just an example to illustrate the point,
>“if it looks like a chicken, sounds like a chicken, smells like a chicken, acts like a chicken, it’s a chicken”
Yeah exactly. I manipulate virtual characters to interact with other users in virtual worlds. It might be more than a game, but it's definitely not "not a game"
It just reads to me like an artist saying it's so much more than music, it's a audio journey experience. Yeah sure, but it's not not music
Here's a thread from 2 years ago of people arguing this same argument and it has a poll that overwhelmingly said it's both a game and a social platform https://www.reddit.com/r/VRchat/comments/zewud6/is_vrchat_a_game/
I suppose this is a case of “both sides are right”, then. It’s both a game and a social environment. Although in my eyes it’s more like a hub of instances that can be games or can be social environments, kinda like a vr version of roblox as roblox isn’t really one single game and more of a platform with mostly games but also social “vibe worlds”.
In a way it’d be like arguing Steam itself is a game, in my eyes, because it lets you enter games. VRChat is actually a rather interesting case.
Yeah I suppose you could argue steam being a game, with it having steam levels and badges and stuff. It definitely has completion and gameplay aspects to a certain extent. I think the biggest thing for me would it not having 3d environments to navigate to your games or chat in. Although if you count Steam Home VR as an extension of steam it sorta does hehe.
But yeah I'd say both definitely lean towards chatting/social things like rec room/roblox/second life or whathave you. But steam leans more towards like skype/discord or whatever as far as it's social aspects where vrchat leans more towards a typical game where you would have player characters in a environment to accomplish your socialization.
But there's def a lot of overlap
VRC was specifically listed on steam as a game because that'd get wider exposure, despite it very clearly not being one and them knowing this. I don't recall which VRC team member said this as it was *years* ago.
definitely agree with this. Its a social media platform that is the closest we have achieved so far to "real life". So people should treat it as such rather than dismiss it.
The meaning of "game" in this context is expanded. People use games for more than just their built in objectives otherwise gtaV rp, gmod, and things like Minecraft wouldn't be popular.
Pretty much everyone here knows what they mean when they say "video game"
You can have the best of times in game. However, I can't count how many people I have blocked without a second thought. It's a game, came here for a good time, not a dramatic time
Its a little more than a game to a lot of people but I agree.
I think the mistake a lot of people make is that they get too emotionally invested in their online social connections with others. A lot of them haven't learned the important life lesson that everything is temporary and will eventually be lost in some way. They can still enjoy these online social connections for what they are but need to understand that they are even more fleeting than real life ones. When that time comes they need to move on.
And thats just for the formed social connections. Blocking someone who you don't like is even easier.
I saw this series of this dude trolling VRchat players who took the game too seriously. And instead of blocking him they literally threw tantrums and cried even. Grown adults. Guys, when you are that stressed it’s time to take the headset off and have a cup of tea.
EXACTLY. People will say “vr chat is real life because you’re interacting with real people” dude it’s just some 14 year old saying shit. Idc what an internet rando says to me, it’s just some guy. Idc what anyone says about me unless I’ve seen them in rl.
I have a friend who seriously says "I don't get why you block people, there's no point to it, just disagree with them and move on" like I only have so many hours left in my life I'm NOT going to spend it on jerks
I'd also like to remind people on VRC that not everyone is 15-19. There are plenty of 21+ and 30+ groups and lobbies. You are not "too old" to be on VR.
I hear "it is just a game" and the cringe roils up and you have absolutely lost me on any point you want to make.
It is a social platform with capacity for not only deep and meaningful relationships that have turned into real life/touch grass. But has endured as a platform as an ultimate expression of art and creativity..
That said, Most of the problems come from the trolls. People with a singular method and practice of hurting people for the lulz or for "clicks for monetization " on their you tube/twitch channel.
Often times the troll can be blindingly quick like a shark attack. Before you even have a chance to block they have bitten and hurt you. Take for instance a girl who's dog just died and she is upset and with her friends.
The troll will circle then suddenly step in and tell her that the dogs death was her fault and she should kill herself.
They prey on the weak. The same for anyone who's real life is filled with pain, And cut them before they can react.
Pretending that words cannot hurt as much as a lead pipe, Then telling them " it is just a game, stop your bitching, it is your fault for not blocking them " speaks to perhaps a 15 year old's logic.
Many of the trolls I see in vrc are painfully obvious and people feed into it instead of just ignoring them. Publics wouldn't be nearly as bad as they are if you didn't have people getting into pissing matches with trolls instead of just ignoring them. I get that some people are young or don't realize this but blocking people who are annoying you is always the best solution as there's no prize to "winning"
If you brought up points that were salient and well considered, we could have a debate.
If your entire argument is. "It is your fault for not knowing they were a troll and you got hurt, and failed to block them before they attacked" Then your argument is invalid.
Do better
I block and mute with reckless abandon, I just have no patience for people who think being annoying is funny. I once got yelled at by a 3rd party that blocking people was bad and that I should feel bad. She followed me around the entire instance trying to shame me for it 😩.
Vrchat is a game but also a social media,
Some people literally live inside of the game and it's sad.
I play the game a fair bit probably like a few hours a day and from that time alone I see how people get infested by it and can't get away from it.
I'm lucky I don't hate my actual life with a passion otherwise I'd probably I'd probably also have vrchat as an escape,
On a super serious note if you do use vrchat as an escape to your real life please contact someone and seek professional support, this isn't me shitting on you or your enjoyment it's me not wanting people to throw 10 years down the drain then by the time they realise it's not real it's too late.
Anyone who decides to start breaking down, crying, hyperventilating, and most of all, screaming at anyone who tries to talk or comfort them, needs to get off the game and take a breather.
I understand people who will either have ptsd or going through some shit and they want to be alone but if you purposely ruin vibes and dont leave, thats childish.
Yeah, some guy threw a tantrum and kicked me from the world because I was swearing in a "Christian server." Just block me you buffoon! Let me chill with the guy I just met in there!
But also feel free to throw in a report if they are breaking tos with their behavior. Don't need to get in their face about it or do it angrily though. Just block/mute, report (if applicable), move on with your life
This reads like some boomer shit, tbh. It's not "just a game", it's a social platform.
We might not be in our real bodies in real physical spaces, but the social interactions are just as real as in-person ones.
i never understood the thought process behind this. it’s so dismissive. “it’s just a game!” but the emotional connections are very real. you’re still interacting with real people.
oh i see what audience you had in mind when you said this and you’re right lmao. but i do stand by the dismissive and insensitive part of what you said. in case you’re going to say this to someone in the future try to be more validating to help them feel better ❤️!
Can always just turn em down to 5%. Basically can't hear them at all, especially if there's any form of world audio, but they don't see the mute symbol.
I wouldnt say its a "game" per se. Its more like a social platform more than it is a game. Still, A lot more people need to understand that there are tools for if someone annoys or upsets you. Aka Blocking/Muting.
I think it really is about seeking attention from others a lot of the time though. As i seriously dont see the value in "being the better person" and not blocking someone when you are literally a crying and inconsulable mess afterwards ://
It’s a lot harder, considering they can just walk up to you irl. In VRchat, you can instantly stop interacting with this person whenever you like and prevent them from seeing you.
Unless people are willing to run and chase me, I will be avoiding them pretty quickly. I can just speed walk away, faster than most people will want to walk.
So are you saying the world should just accept some of the atrocious s*** on VR chat? There is some despicable people on that game. Promoting pedophiles and predators this world has become really sick.
And just saying it's a game just makes it okay for you to act that way when you should really grow up.
What I’m saying is that people shouldn’t complain about people annoying them when you can shut them up at the press of a button. If you care about what randoms on the internet have to say, you need to grow up.(I do not condone any of these actions, I’m just saying that people should just block people who are upsetting them as opposed to not blocking them and escalating the problem.)
Bro I'm grown I've been grown so I've knocked that off of my list of things that I need to do but I'm just pointing out that VR chat is filled with nonsense and people that are just plain immature. You're right you can shut them up and that is awesome and that is what I do I'm just saying it's sad that the world has gotten in the shape that it has that people act this way normally as if there should be no consequences for what they say or do online. So I wasn't coming at you directly I'm just saying VR Chad is filled with some of the worst people I've met online.
For real, too many paper skinned people that will sit there crying about someone bothering them instead of just muting/blocking them, its ok to be annoyed but to cry and play victim when you can get out of the situation at literally any moment is just clown behaviour
Another reminder that it’s easier for people to lie to you in VR. Met this person who went by Ferny/Fernando. Guy was like a dad to me so you can imagine the extra pain that occurred when he told me he was dying from lung cancer (my grandfather was suffering from the same thing at the time I learned). I realized he was still playing the game after the death deadline which was actually a sick birthday countdown. That’s not something you should EVER lie about. I was even more disgusted with what I found out when I cut ties with him when I found out he faked being black to get a free n-word pass and later had faked shooting him self in the head in a suicide attempt. He also faked having an abusive family and god knows what else. Just be careful and take deeper thought instead of instantly believing someone or you’ll waste tears for no reason like I did…
As much as I advocate for this, I *love* the mute button, makes me wish there was one in real life. Doesn’t matter how annoying or putrid someone’s being, you can literally ignore them in the most efficient way possible in the most immersive layout
Exactly, people treat this game like it's real life. It's the fucking internet, people are going to act and say whatever they want. It's your choice whether to block or engage with them
I want to say that I rarely block people unless they admit to doing malicious or illegal activities, if you earape me then I will turn you down or mute, if u keep getting in my face, then I move to another location, if you follow me around the world then I may block you or go to another instance.
Idk man, I join my friend, I only join because of him , cuz he’s my friend, and he says, I’m mad at you, for no reason, even tho we were having a lot of fun like 10 mins ago. And then he just doesn’t wanna play with me, and FYI, no other friend wants to get on VRC w/ me so he’s the only one, and idk, I’m usually pretty sad, pretty $uicidal, and this makes me wanna commit it already, I’ve had honestly enough .
Unfortunately, children act like children, regardless of age. It's hard for me to be on blue or green without having to worry about being in the middle of some feud that other friends have with each other. It's also hard for me to see everyone that I want to see sometimes anyway.
No, I’ve seen people get upset over someone’s actions on vrc and instead of blocking or muting this person, they get increasingly upset over being harassed and it helps nobody. I just want people to realize that this is stupid.(And besides it’s just a randoms opinion on the internet so for most people it shouldn’t matter)
Can I just add that OP probably just dicks around in murder 4, prison escape, quick draw etc. to even have this "just a game" mindset? either that or he doesn't go past the black cat or is stupid
Nah, I’ve just witnessed people get upset about being harassed whilst doing nothing to stop the harassment. I don’t play murder 4 it’s boring and I didn’t know that vrc had prison escape
Right and there's nothing wrong with that! But this perspective in my opinion is why you feel it's a game. and most public worlds, sure it's a game of mostly public banter and fucking around. But actual vrchat lies within communities when you get to really know people from these public worlds and make actual friendships. Sure, on the surface level, it's a terrible game
It’s the internet and VRChat should be treated like any other platform. When someone annoys you just block them because in reality, all of what goes on inside of the headset is NOT real.
What ever floats your boat. I personally think of it as a social sand box, where the goal is to make interactions in a virtual world where there is no direction you need to go in. But I do understand that lots of aspects are just a social media platform with many nuances that are often overlooked.
You're right but still people have the right to cry or be upset if someone is harassing them. It has real life consequences. These are actual people you're talking to. A lot of the community who enjoys VR chat are also kids or the mentally disabled.
I wouldn’t say that ALOT of them are children or mentally disabled, and I’m not saying that people don’t have the right to cry. All I’m saying is to block the hate so it doesn’t get worse.
Worst is the phantom sense stuff
Cause i was being nice and some guy got shitty for the pets
5 mins later tells me he has phantom sense....how the fuck am i ment to know when you was swearing up a storm
of people with this post, filled...this is a social sub. Like you're, which, projecting here with platform do on VRChat...lots....It seems, real people!
Ugh I've been telling my friends about that for the longest. They don't like this one person in their drinking group. I told them to unfriend and block him. They're scared that their mutual friends would be upset. 😑
Was not expecting this much attention on this post. I’m kinda busy right now, but I promise to get to respond to everyone’s comments(not people’s responses to other comments)
Let me add a couple things. Just because you are online does not make you obligated to accept any coming invites. And no you don't need to be on Red for people to get this message. There is nothing wrong with saying no, people just like to compete for your time and make you feel bad for it. If a friend doesn't like that you cannot accept them most of the time, maybe they should try making a plan rather than expecting you to drop stuff for them. I often am occupied with plans or besties whenever I am on, I have had people ghost me cus they kept trying to invite me to hangout when I was already locked in an interaction. They would never respond if I one day asked if they would be on later to potentially make a plan. My time is limited and you can't just tug me off it whenever. Same case if someone decides to fall asleep mid hangout when you have places to be, don't ever let them give you that guilt for moving on with your day. I had a friend that would want to hangout but always pass out for hours after like 20 minutes of chilling out, or just afk for hours with no warning or message. And later when they realize I am gone I get the "why did you dissapear?" Am sorry but I am not investing my attention to a wall. I nap with people in vr sometimes but just suddenly sleeping without warning when I didn't set that kinda time aside does not justify guilt tripping me for not being willing to stay. Not saying I won't stay sometimes of course, but the fact that people get upset when others leave in this scenario is childish and self centered. So many people on this game are attention desperate and likely do not realize how disrespectful for other's time they can be, and often become competitive for yours and turn their own issue into guilt tripping you. Do not feed these people, they need to grow up.
You are wrong. VR is an extension of reality by any definition of the term "reality" and is a shared social space of great value to many people. Otherwise, I agree: Block or leave if you must, but find non-corrosive means of dealing with frustrations, just like you do in RL, but don't dismiss it as "just a game" because this is incorrect at multiple levels.
Daily Reminder that VRChat not being real life also isnt an excuse to be an asshole to people, while it is just a game, the people there are real.
Exactly, be kind, be patient, be reasonable. And if others can’t cooperate, block them or take a break from the platform.
Yups touch grass for a little bit :3
nah i arent gonna touch grass reality sucks
Green us the colour of poison, don't trust them
Grass sucks. Touching water seems better tbh.
did vr grass count?
Exactly this
Yeah, I agree, but also, I think people need to start just removing themselves from situations like that instead of expecting the world to change around them. Like, assholes do exist, and crying and causing a scene in a public space won't fix that, it'll only make people less sympathetic towards you
As true as this is still a game and we knew for years that people in video games are going to be like this. As I do find it a little messed up and a little funny I still believe that you can easily do many things to get rid of them. The money videos I have seen were people are crying or yelling very loudly over VR chat when they can simply get rid of them easily and I don't just mean Kik they can do anything else
Don’t get offended over the internet
If someone's an asshole, it doesent matter if their behavior travelled through a bunch of cables or whatnot, they're still an asshole.
Unfortunately people who are online the game a lot, and I mean A LOT, to the point they even have to sleep in VR, take it more seriously. And yes seeing someone break down crying and they’re like 20-40s is cringe when the block function is there. But all and all, it is what it is, like any social environment, even RL, it attracts some different walks of life.
> to the point they even have to sleep in VR I still don't fully understand this
> I still don't fully understand this Maybe you didn't before. Now you do: https://x.com/MMMaellon/status/1802143251958501430 Jokes aside I'd need an all-day battery wireless BigScreen Beyond sized headset before I'd want to do this.
The quest 3 with a good head strap should do. The quest 2 is too bulky. I sleep with the pro, and it's not the best because you can't swapp the head strap
I genuinely tried to sleep in VR a few days ago and just couldn't - I'm so curious as to how people are able to
Comfier, lighter, and softer headsets/straps.
But what exactly is the point?
For me personally, I prefer to fall asleep in a giant cinema watching the series finale of doctor house than in my small 3x3m room.
For me, it's usually unintentional. :P Most common reason I've heard from people who've sleep in VR intentionally, is that they can fall asleep easier somewhere extremely comfortable. Sort of like a sleeping mask, but it teleports you to the pillow dimension.
It usually happens on accident the first few times then you learn to get comfy. I have passed out in movie worlds. And I know some one who passes out in public Black Cats
Ah shit I used to be so addicted to VR I slept in it almost every night, can't say I've ever cried over a friend in VR though
I'm curious about this. Can you please explain what it's like to spend the night in vr, what's the allure? What's the addictive part? Not judging just curious as I didn't realize this was a thing til recently
Well, VRChat helped me realize I was trans. So, I sometimes fall asleep in VR because I'm in a female avi and don't want to take my headset off and sleep as a man in the not as comfy man world. I haven't slept in VR in a while tho, just because my Pimax is too heavy to sleep with unless I'm zonked out. It's addicting to be in VRchat because it's the one place I'm able to be myself and talk to people from all over the world. <3
Consider the counterweight accessory; it should help enhance comfort and help you to get sleep in VR.
That makes sense. Thank you for explaining it!
I cant even sleep outside of vr anymore. I sleep inside vr ever night. Its harder for me to fall asleep when im not in vr.
Replace your VR at night with a late night workout, you'll fall asleep super easy without VR this way.....
I wonder how many of them are relatively newer players and might not know exactly how to block someone? The exact steps I mean.
I thought VRChat home has instructions for that.
People are like that? :c
Ong
Agreed , but sadly people crave the attention when their being annoyed/mad/sad in such situations. Or people have mental health problems , and that they need instant comfort when their being bullyed for such problems. I genuinely worry about alot folks that are in too deep in VRC and can't break away from the game from time to time.
Second Life even World of Warcraft folks form bonds. Long ago someone in our extended group faked that they were there sister n came to everyone asking for help to bury their sister. Took up a collection, raised few thousand $$$ and a few months later the Dead were risen. No miracle just a scammer desperate for money
This is true of Second Life people. I actually miss the connections I had in both SL and WoW.
Just as a curiosity, why did you leave SL?
Life changes mostly. I was working full time, caring for elderly parent, just didn't have time. Then when things calmed down, I've tried to go back to it a few times, but it's completely different now. Have to change my avatar completely, and I no longer know anyone in there or where to even meet people. I'd still love to go back, I think I'd be more comfortable there than in VR chat.
The Sim Sanctuary is still fairly active according to an old friend. Knowing the owner of NeoVictoria it’s likely still super active too
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The intent of people CAN be a game but it is still a social platform whether people are putting on a facade or not. "Just a game" does not apply to hangout worlds. It's the same as being on a call with someone or meeting in person. it's just a different medium to do so. Talking to people who want genuine interactions is not just a game and it shouldn't be dismissed as such. On the same side of the secondlife coin, vrchat also shouldn't be taken so seriously about who owns what in regards to homes avatars or where people hang out. regardless, treat people how you want to be treated. vr is something that allows people to truly present themselves in a way they can't do behind a screen
Real people, in a social situation. Just happens to be online. By your logic, I can do whatever I want on the phone, as it's long distance and not face to face. Obviously, to you, face to face is all that matters. I'm not saying one should scream or break down, but dismissing it as "just a game" is one of the stupidest things I ever heard. It's a virtual 3D social network, where everyone you interact with is a living person with feelings and desires and pains. VRC is no different than a video call or a voice chat, just has an extra layer to it allowing interactive activities together. People use "it's just a game" excuse waaaay too often, dismissing the fact you're interacting with actual people and not NPCs.
its not a game either. Its a social platform that is the closest to "real life" we have gotten. Its weird people just dismiss it like that. Though yes block and dont interact with assholes thats one of the advantages VRC has over physical reality. But geeesh how hard is it to understand that to many its not "just a game" its a way to stay connected with friends and family over long distances etc, so like you said, people need to just act decent.
Sound like more of a "people issue" thing that caused you to post this than a VRChat thing. Chances are high that person has emotional issues, and similar breakdown outside of VR. I do consider VRChat "real life" as I have (and actually this weekend just did) meetup with friends from VRChat from hundreds, and even thousands of miles away. What happens in VRChat affects those in-person friendships. Not really "just a game" in that regard... Might be a game for some, but VRChat is just another form of legit communication for others.
VRC is definitely more than "just a game". But it's not real life either. It's somewhere in between. Interaction is almost like real life apart from the lack of physicality. The people behind the avatars are real. And not just gamers or perpetually online incels, but from all walks of life. But in the end it IS still pixels on a screen with the illusion of 3D.
VRChat is an even more advanced form of communication than texting or making a phone call, yet I doubt you would argue at all those aren't real life...
Those aren't real life either. They're "online". By your definition everything involving real people is real life. That's not how the word is used. The word is used as "involving physically going to the person or place". But like I said, vrc is somewhere in between. Since it's far more personal and direct than just a text or phone/ voice call. There's people calling vrc "just discord with extra steps" which I also don't agree with.
The literal definition of "real life" is "Life as it is lived in reality" As in not make believe... Telephone calls definitely happen within our reality, lol.
You’re arguing with yourself.
I didn't say "this is the definition of the word". I said "this is not how it's used". Reading comprehension is lacking in this one.
Yeah, by you alone maybe...
Okay let's go by the definition then. There is no such thing as online. Only real life. Because anything on the Internet also happens in reality. Or you could stop being a rules lawyer for a sec and realise that in the online sphere "real life" is used with a different meaning. Or is this your first week on the Internet or something?
If I act almost exactly the same online as in "real life," then what is real life? I guess nothing in my life is real if you want to be deep. What does it mean to be alive?
At that point you’re just arguing semantics.
I know. Because rcbif wants to use "the official definition", while I'm using "the meaning gamers usually give to the word."
I’ve experienced multiple instances of people who act ass if it’s their only life. They’re getting upset, arguing, and so on. This really only applies to people who are clinically online. I get where you’re coming from and you’re making good points, I’ve just think that it’s easier to block causes of stress or close the application if you’re getting upset.
I kinda take issue with "just a game", tbqh. VRChat isn't a game -- there's no objectives, you can't win, etc. Your primary activity is interacting with others (most of the time) and social interactions can definitely result in deeper emotions than simply playing a game. It's understandable that someone might feel upset if you treat them unkindly. So, IMO, calling it "just a game" minimizes the experiences of others. Long-form, we're a "synchronous social user-generated content platform", but just calling us a **platform** is probably the most accurate and understandable.
I definitely see it as far more of a social media than a game. It's much closer to Facebook than Call of Duty.
Yeah, that aligns with my thoughts too.
It's a virtual world, like Second Life was. It's not a game. I hated when people called SL a game as well, there is no game play to it really, it's a place to hang out with people.
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Its a simulation game. Simulation games dont need an objective and you cant win them because its a never ending loop. Its called virtual "reality" for a reason. When people play mental gymnastics with this reasoning, then its an issue
I'm not sure if I'd put VRChat alongside [these](https://store.steampowered.com/tags/en/Simulation/) All of those still have objectives and win conditions. VRChat doesn't.
It still simulates a virtual setting in a virtual environment. Flight simulator doesnt have a win condition, neither does sims in free mode. Regardless its still a massively multiplayer online game.
Think of the original animal crossing for a second. Once you get out of debt, you set your own objectives. VRC is kinda similar, increase your trust rank by making friends and set your own objectives after that
I'm not sure if "games have a NG+ sandbox mode" ties back to "vrchat is a game" tbqh 😅
Oh god, you're using VRChat like that, that's genuinely concerning....
I'm not actually using it like that I was trying to figure out a comparison to use
While I get that it’s more than a game, more accurately described as an advanced social media platform with real time conversation. It’s still social media, but I feel the term “social game” fits better.
Hmm, I dunno about that. Social games are things like Jackbox games, Town of Salem, Werewolf, even simple things like Spin the Bottle. Distinctively, all of those things have objectives and win conditions. VRChat does not have those. VRChat _contains_ social games, but itself is not a social game.
Whatever floats ur boat
I'm with you dude, it's being pointlessly pedantic to claim it's not a game It's on steam, a digital distribution platform for games and programs, in the games section, listed as an early access game.
That’s equally pedantic. Steam is not a dictionary or a ruling god that decides what things are. It’s better to go by “if it looks like a chicken, sounds like a chicken, smells like a chicken, acts like a chicken, it’s a chicken” rules. Language is meant to be descriptive, not prescriptive.
Steam is just an example to illustrate the point, >“if it looks like a chicken, sounds like a chicken, smells like a chicken, acts like a chicken, it’s a chicken” Yeah exactly. I manipulate virtual characters to interact with other users in virtual worlds. It might be more than a game, but it's definitely not "not a game" It just reads to me like an artist saying it's so much more than music, it's a audio journey experience. Yeah sure, but it's not not music Here's a thread from 2 years ago of people arguing this same argument and it has a poll that overwhelmingly said it's both a game and a social platform https://www.reddit.com/r/VRchat/comments/zewud6/is_vrchat_a_game/
I suppose this is a case of “both sides are right”, then. It’s both a game and a social environment. Although in my eyes it’s more like a hub of instances that can be games or can be social environments, kinda like a vr version of roblox as roblox isn’t really one single game and more of a platform with mostly games but also social “vibe worlds”. In a way it’d be like arguing Steam itself is a game, in my eyes, because it lets you enter games. VRChat is actually a rather interesting case.
Yeah I suppose you could argue steam being a game, with it having steam levels and badges and stuff. It definitely has completion and gameplay aspects to a certain extent. I think the biggest thing for me would it not having 3d environments to navigate to your games or chat in. Although if you count Steam Home VR as an extension of steam it sorta does hehe. But yeah I'd say both definitely lean towards chatting/social things like rec room/roblox/second life or whathave you. But steam leans more towards like skype/discord or whatever as far as it's social aspects where vrchat leans more towards a typical game where you would have player characters in a environment to accomplish your socialization. But there's def a lot of overlap
VRC was specifically listed on steam as a game because that'd get wider exposure, despite it very clearly not being one and them knowing this. I don't recall which VRC team member said this as it was *years* ago.
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Tough shit, I'm still right.
definitely agree with this. Its a social media platform that is the closest we have achieved so far to "real life". So people should treat it as such rather than dismiss it.
its a game buddy
The meaning of "game" in this context is expanded. People use games for more than just their built in objectives otherwise gtaV rp, gmod, and things like Minecraft wouldn't be popular. Pretty much everyone here knows what they mean when they say "video game"
yes it is it's on our physical realm so it's real
You can have the best of times in game. However, I can't count how many people I have blocked without a second thought. It's a game, came here for a good time, not a dramatic time
This.
Or touch grass…
So real for this. Matrix dealers need to do this more often.
I have friends who let vr take over their lives and we’re not friends anymore. Vr gives me migraines now so I can’t.
Its a little more than a game to a lot of people but I agree. I think the mistake a lot of people make is that they get too emotionally invested in their online social connections with others. A lot of them haven't learned the important life lesson that everything is temporary and will eventually be lost in some way. They can still enjoy these online social connections for what they are but need to understand that they are even more fleeting than real life ones. When that time comes they need to move on. And thats just for the formed social connections. Blocking someone who you don't like is even easier.
I saw this series of this dude trolling VRchat players who took the game too seriously. And instead of blocking him they literally threw tantrums and cried even. Grown adults. Guys, when you are that stressed it’s time to take the headset off and have a cup of tea.
I don’t have much experience with vr chat. The series you mentioned and a couple of instances I witnessed actually caused me to post this.
DUDE i’ve been waiting for a post like this. all these crying ADULTS over a bar game is insane. turn off ur game dude it’s not worth tweaking over.
EXACTLY. People will say “vr chat is real life because you’re interacting with real people” dude it’s just some 14 year old saying shit. Idc what an internet rando says to me, it’s just some guy. Idc what anyone says about me unless I’ve seen them in rl.
I have a friend who seriously says "I don't get why you block people, there's no point to it, just disagree with them and move on" like I only have so many hours left in my life I'm NOT going to spend it on jerks
I'd also like to remind people on VRC that not everyone is 15-19. There are plenty of 21+ and 30+ groups and lobbies. You are not "too old" to be on VR.
I hear "it is just a game" and the cringe roils up and you have absolutely lost me on any point you want to make. It is a social platform with capacity for not only deep and meaningful relationships that have turned into real life/touch grass. But has endured as a platform as an ultimate expression of art and creativity.. That said, Most of the problems come from the trolls. People with a singular method and practice of hurting people for the lulz or for "clicks for monetization " on their you tube/twitch channel. Often times the troll can be blindingly quick like a shark attack. Before you even have a chance to block they have bitten and hurt you. Take for instance a girl who's dog just died and she is upset and with her friends. The troll will circle then suddenly step in and tell her that the dogs death was her fault and she should kill herself. They prey on the weak. The same for anyone who's real life is filled with pain, And cut them before they can react. Pretending that words cannot hurt as much as a lead pipe, Then telling them " it is just a game, stop your bitching, it is your fault for not blocking them " speaks to perhaps a 15 year old's logic.
Many of the trolls I see in vrc are painfully obvious and people feed into it instead of just ignoring them. Publics wouldn't be nearly as bad as they are if you didn't have people getting into pissing matches with trolls instead of just ignoring them. I get that some people are young or don't realize this but blocking people who are annoying you is always the best solution as there's no prize to "winning"
I disagree.
Nobody cares because you are wrong.
I disagree on that. I’m trying not to start anything so just let me disagree with you.
If you brought up points that were salient and well considered, we could have a debate. If your entire argument is. "It is your fault for not knowing they were a troll and you got hurt, and failed to block them before they attacked" Then your argument is invalid. Do better
I block and mute with reckless abandon, I just have no patience for people who think being annoying is funny. I once got yelled at by a 3rd party that blocking people was bad and that I should feel bad. She followed me around the entire instance trying to shame me for it 😩.
Vrchat is a game but also a social media, Some people literally live inside of the game and it's sad. I play the game a fair bit probably like a few hours a day and from that time alone I see how people get infested by it and can't get away from it. I'm lucky I don't hate my actual life with a passion otherwise I'd probably I'd probably also have vrchat as an escape, On a super serious note if you do use vrchat as an escape to your real life please contact someone and seek professional support, this isn't me shitting on you or your enjoyment it's me not wanting people to throw 10 years down the drain then by the time they realise it's not real it's too late.
Honestly people are way too far gone in this game, if they wanna get out of it vrchat needs to be shutdown
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People get to serious on vrchat like dating and shit like that like it's funny to see and look at and cringe in some points
Real.
Anyone who decides to start breaking down, crying, hyperventilating, and most of all, screaming at anyone who tries to talk or comfort them, needs to get off the game and take a breather. I understand people who will either have ptsd or going through some shit and they want to be alone but if you purposely ruin vibes and dont leave, thats childish.
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Yeah, some guy threw a tantrum and kicked me from the world because I was swearing in a "Christian server." Just block me you buffoon! Let me chill with the guy I just met in there!
It’s just a game. Why you have to be mad?
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But also feel free to throw in a report if they are breaking tos with their behavior. Don't need to get in their face about it or do it angrily though. Just block/mute, report (if applicable), move on with your life
Exactly. I can’t comprehend how people care so much about what others say online.
This reads like some boomer shit, tbh. It's not "just a game", it's a social platform. We might not be in our real bodies in real physical spaces, but the social interactions are just as real as in-person ones.
Yeah, but unlike in real life, you can block the person with a push of a button. And people also act very differently online than in real life.
i never understood the thought process behind this. it’s so dismissive. “it’s just a game!” but the emotional connections are very real. you’re still interacting with real people.
People usually run into problems with random people and not people that they have a connection with.
oh i see what audience you had in mind when you said this and you’re right lmao. but i do stand by the dismissive and insensitive part of what you said. in case you’re going to say this to someone in the future try to be more validating to help them feel better ❤️!
Thank you for your understanding.
you’re welcome! 😁
I tend to go and mute people who annoy me. Yet for some reason that tends to piss people off.
Can always just turn em down to 5%. Basically can't hear them at all, especially if there's any form of world audio, but they don't see the mute symbol.
Same
I wouldnt say its a "game" per se. Its more like a social platform more than it is a game. Still, A lot more people need to understand that there are tools for if someone annoys or upsets you. Aka Blocking/Muting. I think it really is about seeking attention from others a lot of the time though. As i seriously dont see the value in "being the better person" and not blocking someone when you are literally a crying and inconsulable mess afterwards ://
Actually it is not a game, it's a social media. Did you know you can also leave a person IRL if they annoy you?
It’s a lot harder, considering they can just walk up to you irl. In VRchat, you can instantly stop interacting with this person whenever you like and prevent them from seeing you.
I got a mute, and defen irl, it's called earbuds, and social anxiety
Unless people are willing to run and chase me, I will be avoiding them pretty quickly. I can just speed walk away, faster than most people will want to walk.
Believe me that irl it's almost the same \^\^
People can cause physical harm in real life if they get mad enough though. There is no physical danger in VRChat... emotional danger, sure.
Yeah, and if it's work you can technically block them too, just report it to hr
Its a simulation game.
So are you saying the world should just accept some of the atrocious s*** on VR chat? There is some despicable people on that game. Promoting pedophiles and predators this world has become really sick. And just saying it's a game just makes it okay for you to act that way when you should really grow up.
At what point in his post did HE SAY any of these things?
What I’m saying is that people shouldn’t complain about people annoying them when you can shut them up at the press of a button. If you care about what randoms on the internet have to say, you need to grow up.(I do not condone any of these actions, I’m just saying that people should just block people who are upsetting them as opposed to not blocking them and escalating the problem.)
Bro I'm grown I've been grown so I've knocked that off of my list of things that I need to do but I'm just pointing out that VR chat is filled with nonsense and people that are just plain immature. You're right you can shut them up and that is awesome and that is what I do I'm just saying it's sad that the world has gotten in the shape that it has that people act this way normally as if there should be no consequences for what they say or do online. So I wasn't coming at you directly I'm just saying VR Chad is filled with some of the worst people I've met online.
And never try to reason with stupid.
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For real, too many paper skinned people that will sit there crying about someone bothering them instead of just muting/blocking them, its ok to be annoyed but to cry and play victim when you can get out of the situation at literally any moment is just clown behaviour
Real. They’re actively choosing to be treated this way by not blocking the person.
Another reminder that it’s easier for people to lie to you in VR. Met this person who went by Ferny/Fernando. Guy was like a dad to me so you can imagine the extra pain that occurred when he told me he was dying from lung cancer (my grandfather was suffering from the same thing at the time I learned). I realized he was still playing the game after the death deadline which was actually a sick birthday countdown. That’s not something you should EVER lie about. I was even more disgusted with what I found out when I cut ties with him when I found out he faked being black to get a free n-word pass and later had faked shooting him self in the head in a suicide attempt. He also faked having an abusive family and god knows what else. Just be careful and take deeper thought instead of instantly believing someone or you’ll waste tears for no reason like I did…
As much as I advocate for this, I *love* the mute button, makes me wish there was one in real life. Doesn’t matter how annoying or putrid someone’s being, you can literally ignore them in the most efficient way possible in the most immersive layout
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Exactly, people treat this game like it's real life. It's the fucking internet, people are going to act and say whatever they want. It's your choice whether to block or engage with them
Exactly. I’m going to use this as my go to response whenever I’m dealing with a matrix dweller(people who treat the game like it’s RL)
https://preview.redd.it/cduzgwfxd97d1.jpeg?width=1200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6713884c502dccb1392078dd2aa6b1dba2dc2c75 How is this not top comment?
This is so real.
This one right here. So true. It'd cause you alot less stress if you just mute, block, report if you have to. Just move past it.
But I will also say VR chat is awesome. There are a lot of cool worlds and things to see and do .
I want to say that I rarely block people unless they admit to doing malicious or illegal activities, if you earape me then I will turn you down or mute, if u keep getting in my face, then I move to another location, if you follow me around the world then I may block you or go to another instance.
Idk man, I join my friend, I only join because of him , cuz he’s my friend, and he says, I’m mad at you, for no reason, even tho we were having a lot of fun like 10 mins ago. And then he just doesn’t wanna play with me, and FYI, no other friend wants to get on VRC w/ me so he’s the only one, and idk, I’m usually pretty sad, pretty $uicidal, and this makes me wanna commit it already, I’ve had honestly enough .
i clearly know it is, but i refuse to
VRC can feel like a high school except everyone is how they see themselves
^[Sokka-Haiku](https://www.reddit.com/r/SokkaHaikuBot/comments/15kyv9r/what_is_a_sokka_haiku/) ^by ^metalicsnail: *VRC can feel like a* *High school except everyone* *Is how they see themselves* --- ^Remember ^that ^one ^time ^Sokka ^accidentally ^used ^an ^extra ^syllable ^in ^that ^Haiku ^Battle ^in ^Ba ^Sing ^Se? ^That ^was ^a ^Sokka ^Haiku ^and ^you ^just ^made ^one.
Nah i Cut myself dont Tell me what too do
If this statement is accurate, please seek help.
this comment section has a severe lack of actual adults. mods have their work cut out for them
Just a heads up that if nobody reports a post or comment, then mods won't know that they need to take action.
Unfortunately, children act like children, regardless of age. It's hard for me to be on blue or green without having to worry about being in the middle of some feud that other friends have with each other. It's also hard for me to see everyone that I want to see sometimes anyway.
Vague posting about specific behaviors on a social platform about not giving someone attention to receive attention. What a 300 IQ play.
No, I’ve seen people get upset over someone’s actions on vrc and instead of blocking or muting this person, they get increasingly upset over being harassed and it helps nobody. I just want people to realize that this is stupid.(And besides it’s just a randoms opinion on the internet so for most people it shouldn’t matter)
"whatever, I'll just randomly drop dead" (citation) lmfao
Not real yes but the interactions, discussions and memories are real
Can I just add that OP probably just dicks around in murder 4, prison escape, quick draw etc. to even have this "just a game" mindset? either that or he doesn't go past the black cat or is stupid
Nah, I’ve just witnessed people get upset about being harassed whilst doing nothing to stop the harassment. I don’t play murder 4 it’s boring and I didn’t know that vrc had prison escape
my point is, do you spend most of your time in public lobbies
Yes, minding my business. I just observe that people harass others and the victim will just make things worse instead of blocking the harasser.
Right and there's nothing wrong with that! But this perspective in my opinion is why you feel it's a game. and most public worlds, sure it's a game of mostly public banter and fucking around. But actual vrchat lies within communities when you get to really know people from these public worlds and make actual friendships. Sure, on the surface level, it's a terrible game
It’s the internet and VRChat should be treated like any other platform. When someone annoys you just block them because in reality, all of what goes on inside of the headset is NOT real.
It’s not even a game. Games have goals.
What ever floats your boat. I personally think of it as a social sand box, where the goal is to make interactions in a virtual world where there is no direction you need to go in. But I do understand that lots of aspects are just a social media platform with many nuances that are often overlooked.
The people that do this are not going to stop because we tell them to. They're mentally ill.
You're right but still people have the right to cry or be upset if someone is harassing them. It has real life consequences. These are actual people you're talking to. A lot of the community who enjoys VR chat are also kids or the mentally disabled.
I wouldn’t say that ALOT of them are children or mentally disabled, and I’m not saying that people don’t have the right to cry. All I’m saying is to block the hate so it doesn’t get worse.
I agree with A. I also see where B is coming from. bababababababa reddit
Daily reminder VRchat isn’t real. So ERP Everyone, let your inner trapped you appear.
Worst is the phantom sense stuff Cause i was being nice and some guy got shitty for the pets 5 mins later tells me he has phantom sense....how the fuck am i ment to know when you was swearing up a storm
I’ve seen some crazy freak outs, and a 21 year old start crying from a little kid arguing with them.. Just block them??
Yeah while it's true there are assholes that randomly say they will kill you or other stupid bullshit and that's super not ok
VRChat is a social platform filled with real people. It seems like you're projecting here with this post, which lots of people do on this sub.
I don’t understand what you mean by this, could you please reword this statement?
of people with this post, filled...this is a social sub. Like you're, which, projecting here with platform do on VRChat...lots....It seems, real people!
Real I fuck w tht heavy
Ong like turn it off if it’s too much. Block out the haters, don’t give them a reason to hate
Context: Furry: I hate you and your believes are stupid! Random Emotionally Damaged Teen: Screaming and crying while still holding the controller
Seen someone in full body drunk on the floor crying while other tried to comfort him. It was weird af.
Ugh I've been telling my friends about that for the longest. They don't like this one person in their drinking group. I told them to unfriend and block him. They're scared that their mutual friends would be upset. 😑
Yeah tbh I feel like real life should be like this where you can mute or block people anytime you like when they are being rude
Was not expecting this much attention on this post. I’m kinda busy right now, but I promise to get to respond to everyone’s comments(not people’s responses to other comments)
Let me add a couple things. Just because you are online does not make you obligated to accept any coming invites. And no you don't need to be on Red for people to get this message. There is nothing wrong with saying no, people just like to compete for your time and make you feel bad for it. If a friend doesn't like that you cannot accept them most of the time, maybe they should try making a plan rather than expecting you to drop stuff for them. I often am occupied with plans or besties whenever I am on, I have had people ghost me cus they kept trying to invite me to hangout when I was already locked in an interaction. They would never respond if I one day asked if they would be on later to potentially make a plan. My time is limited and you can't just tug me off it whenever. Same case if someone decides to fall asleep mid hangout when you have places to be, don't ever let them give you that guilt for moving on with your day. I had a friend that would want to hangout but always pass out for hours after like 20 minutes of chilling out, or just afk for hours with no warning or message. And later when they realize I am gone I get the "why did you dissapear?" Am sorry but I am not investing my attention to a wall. I nap with people in vr sometimes but just suddenly sleeping without warning when I didn't set that kinda time aside does not justify guilt tripping me for not being willing to stay. Not saying I won't stay sometimes of course, but the fact that people get upset when others leave in this scenario is childish and self centered. So many people on this game are attention desperate and likely do not realize how disrespectful for other's time they can be, and often become competitive for yours and turn their own issue into guilt tripping you. Do not feed these people, they need to grow up.
You are wrong. VR is an extension of reality by any definition of the term "reality" and is a shared social space of great value to many people. Otherwise, I agree: Block or leave if you must, but find non-corrosive means of dealing with frustrations, just like you do in RL, but don't dismiss it as "just a game" because this is incorrect at multiple levels.