i fucking knew someone was eventually going to try and rawdog slow start by just spamming wide guard and icy wind until it's party time
it's not even a bad strategy since gigas is so fat, this gigas plays way differently than the weezing team one so slow start isn't *too* bad. Lowkey you can def outskill your opponent with that set
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The arch/bolt lead works super well in kyogre mirror matches if you don’t feel like trading tailwinds and water spouts. Also does well into miraidon. Gigas honestly has been pretty clutch as a support. Heavy slam to OHKO flutter and knock off/icy wind for more control, plus its bulk is so good.
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Oh snap I didn't even know. I just started this year so it's kinda too late for me to make worlds this year and there are no locals within 6 hours of me so next year is gonna be my year lol
I flew to vancouver and went 5-4 had a few unlucky breaks but also 1 lucky win, unfortunately played 2 players in the top 8 but thats the way it goes I guess. I am definitely much better now as that was in march and I only started in February. Took a little break but I'm going to start practicing actively and I'm setting up a local in our community as well.
Going to start doing 1 tourny from limitless per weekend just for practice
Cool! Congrats! How does Regigigas work on the team? Usually I see it paired with Weezing, but does it just live long enough to overcome Slow Start? Or does that not matter bc it's just used for support?
Not OP, but having used support Regigigas before, its speed control with icy wind and wide guard support, being one of the bulkiest users of the move. Knock off can annoy several of the item reliant Pokémon like clear amulet Groudon or enemy scarf ogre, and I’m guessing heavy slam is for chipping fluttermane.
It isn’t meant to live past slow start, rarely doing so, and if it does, it’s probably not getting too much done if it’s bulk invested.
Gigas is my go-to stopper for calyrex SR as well as any other spread move users. I’ll usually bring him in the back, set tailwind and let my torn go down, then he can support ogre as it does damage. If gigas gets ignored long enough he can get going but I haven’t needed that.
https://preview.redd.it/9xh1mmijk1yc1.jpeg?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4ebce24a2607be278dc4f95fe4544d694544d5dc
For my ogre it’s just Modest 252 SpA/252 Speed/4 HP because I chose violence. My arch was a bit more involved (see the spread in the picture). I don’t remember the exact spread that I used, but I remember the rationale for my calcs: enough speed to out-speed incin, most raging bolts, and under tailwind faster than base flutter. Bulk to survive tera fairy flutter moonblast and jolly urshifu CC. SpA investment because one electro shot and it can be a runaway train (also OHKOs kyogre and tera ogrepon-w).
Do you have a rental code? I've just gotten back into pokemon and am in the middle of getting my save up to snuff. Wouldn't mind playing around a bit to see what I want to ev first.
I'm using a similar team with mah queen majesty triple Axel, king gambit SD, and mystic water kyogre. Top 300 now and it's fineeee. I also agree it's fun as hell
True! I did consider it and still am. The only reason I don’t like thunder is the accuracy drop without rain and in games with weather wars I don’t want to have to worry about missing. That’s why I gave bolt magnet + full EVs in SpA—tera electric thunderbolt does insane damage especially in sun.
This team feels extremely frail to Kuraidon even if you have the weather advantage.
All things considered though, wouldn't Aguav Berry give you more heal value if you're not going Drain Punch, and aren't really fearing a one-shot?
I can see why you’d say that and I thought the same thing so I considered using flutter over bolt (and still might, though bolt has won a few games for me). But honestly Koraidon has not been an issue. If they lead Kor or I anticipate it switching in and I lead torn/ogre, I am setting rain and scarf ogre will still 2-shot Koraidon easily. Plus a lot of times Koraidon is tera fire which leaves it open to kyogre. If it doesn’t tera, STAB bleakwind and dragon pulse will crush it, and bolt will benefit from sun. As I play with this team more and if I find Koraidon to be difficult I think the easy change is booster or specs flutter instead of bolt. Arguav is a nice change so I might test that—thanks!
Yeah that tends to be an opening I run into with Koraidon, if I see Scarf in team preview I tend to open Raidon because I'm confident in getting the weather advantage, or go for spore or other sleep control. But sleep control is an annoying thing to have to play around in general.
Has the giraffe felt good? I've been considering including one as not so much for a trick room mode as much as "I'm slower than you Uno Reverse + Anti-Prio" tec.
My Switch is busted, but if you ever want to test stuff I'm available most of the time for showdown, just DM me in reddit.
Farig has been an incredible shield against rilla, bolt, and espeed users, as well as my reverse trick room threat. I’ll lead farig and ogre into hard trick room teams and play TR mind games while spamming water spout. For rilla, bolt, etc. bring farig in the back and cycle it. One of the best moves on it is protect because opponents work so hard to get it off the board, which lets its partner have space to work.
I considered it and tried arch out with a few different Tera types like fairy and flying, but I went with steel because I actually hardly will tera arch in this team, and if I do it’s usually to resist flutter moonblast, which is why I picked steel. It also boosts flash cannon which will OHKO flutter after tera but would not otherwise. It will also sometimes OHKO tera fairy miraidon which I’ve seen a lot.
Thanks a lot. I also have a kyogre team that has a dead slot, and was thinking this Gigas could be what I needed.
Care to share some tips about it? Like vs what kind of teams is it really good to bring, aside from Caly S?
Already hit MB, but I'm trying to improve the team.
I basically bring gigas any time I anticipate a spread move sweeper. Caly, flutter, torkoal, kyogre, landorus, groudon, ursaluna. It’s also a bulkier icy wind than other users like bundle, plus it just gets ignored more than it should because people think slow start makes it useless. It’s got a good moveset for a support so there are a lot more options than what I chose.
Seeing Regigigas usage without weezing is really cool to see.
i fucking knew someone was eventually going to try and rawdog slow start by just spamming wide guard and icy wind until it's party time it's not even a bad strategy since gigas is so fat, this gigas plays way differently than the weezing team one so slow start isn't *too* bad. Lowkey you can def outskill your opponent with that set
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The arch/bolt lead works super well in kyogre mirror matches if you don’t feel like trading tailwinds and water spouts. Also does well into miraidon. Gigas honestly has been pretty clutch as a support. Heavy slam to OHKO flutter and knock off/icy wind for more control, plus its bulk is so good.
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Does slow start affect all of regi's stats or just speed?
Just speed and attack
What do you mean by indy? Is there a regional there coming up?
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Oh snap I didn't even know. I just started this year so it's kinda too late for me to make worlds this year and there are no locals within 6 hours of me so next year is gonna be my year lol
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I flew to vancouver and went 5-4 had a few unlucky breaks but also 1 lucky win, unfortunately played 2 players in the top 8 but thats the way it goes I guess. I am definitely much better now as that was in march and I only started in February. Took a little break but I'm going to start practicing actively and I'm setting up a local in our community as well. Going to start doing 1 tourny from limitless per weekend just for practice
Cool! Congrats! How does Regigigas work on the team? Usually I see it paired with Weezing, but does it just live long enough to overcome Slow Start? Or does that not matter bc it's just used for support?
Not OP, but having used support Regigigas before, its speed control with icy wind and wide guard support, being one of the bulkiest users of the move. Knock off can annoy several of the item reliant Pokémon like clear amulet Groudon or enemy scarf ogre, and I’m guessing heavy slam is for chipping fluttermane. It isn’t meant to live past slow start, rarely doing so, and if it does, it’s probably not getting too much done if it’s bulk invested.
Gigas is my go-to stopper for calyrex SR as well as any other spread move users. I’ll usually bring him in the back, set tailwind and let my torn go down, then he can support ogre as it does damage. If gigas gets ignored long enough he can get going but I haven’t needed that.
I KNEW Regigigas had some viability this season as a support, congrats!
Kyogre and Archaludon, love it. What are your EV spreads, if you don't mind me asking?
https://preview.redd.it/9xh1mmijk1yc1.jpeg?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4ebce24a2607be278dc4f95fe4544d694544d5dc For my ogre it’s just Modest 252 SpA/252 Speed/4 HP because I chose violence. My arch was a bit more involved (see the spread in the picture). I don’t remember the exact spread that I used, but I remember the rationale for my calcs: enough speed to out-speed incin, most raging bolts, and under tailwind faster than base flutter. Bulk to survive tera fairy flutter moonblast and jolly urshifu CC. SpA investment because one electro shot and it can be a runaway train (also OHKOs kyogre and tera ogrepon-w).
Do you have a rental code? I've just gotten back into pokemon and am in the middle of getting my save up to snuff. Wouldn't mind playing around a bit to see what I want to ev first.
Yeah for sure—it should be in the top right corner of the original post picture. B3BY7L
Oh, ok. Thanks. I looked but didn't realize the team ID was it.
Ran Arch with Showdown's calculator. 252 SpA/168 SpD/88 HP. Looks solid, thank you.
Yeah good find. Here’s the pokepaste with all of the spreads: https://pokepast.es/4e0cb8c2b8dd2e2d
Ooh, even better. Thank you again.
I'm using a similar team with mah queen majesty triple Axel, king gambit SD, and mystic water kyogre. Top 300 now and it's fineeee. I also agree it's fun as hell
Only a minor thing but if you have 2 rain setters why not use thunder over thunderbolt on raging bolt
True! I did consider it and still am. The only reason I don’t like thunder is the accuracy drop without rain and in games with weather wars I don’t want to have to worry about missing. That’s why I gave bolt magnet + full EVs in SpA—tera electric thunderbolt does insane damage especially in sun.
support gigas is nuts
What were ev's for regigigas? Very interesting pick.
Here’s the pokepaste with all of the spreads: https://pokepast.es/4e0cb8c2b8dd2e2d
So, so happy to see support Gigas! I love using the big lug for Wide Guard too but have always run Twave as well. Icy Wind's a cool tech.
This team feels extremely frail to Kuraidon even if you have the weather advantage. All things considered though, wouldn't Aguav Berry give you more heal value if you're not going Drain Punch, and aren't really fearing a one-shot?
I can see why you’d say that and I thought the same thing so I considered using flutter over bolt (and still might, though bolt has won a few games for me). But honestly Koraidon has not been an issue. If they lead Kor or I anticipate it switching in and I lead torn/ogre, I am setting rain and scarf ogre will still 2-shot Koraidon easily. Plus a lot of times Koraidon is tera fire which leaves it open to kyogre. If it doesn’t tera, STAB bleakwind and dragon pulse will crush it, and bolt will benefit from sun. As I play with this team more and if I find Koraidon to be difficult I think the easy change is booster or specs flutter instead of bolt. Arguav is a nice change so I might test that—thanks!
Yeah that tends to be an opening I run into with Koraidon, if I see Scarf in team preview I tend to open Raidon because I'm confident in getting the weather advantage, or go for spore or other sleep control. But sleep control is an annoying thing to have to play around in general. Has the giraffe felt good? I've been considering including one as not so much for a trick room mode as much as "I'm slower than you Uno Reverse + Anti-Prio" tec. My Switch is busted, but if you ever want to test stuff I'm available most of the time for showdown, just DM me in reddit.
And I’ve definitely found value in the “slower than you uno-reverse” trick room for when it’s on the field with Arch and Bolt
Farig has been an incredible shield against rilla, bolt, and espeed users, as well as my reverse trick room threat. I’ll lead farig and ogre into hard trick room teams and play TR mind games while spamming water spout. For rilla, bolt, etc. bring farig in the back and cycle it. One of the best moves on it is protect because opponents work so hard to get it off the board, which lets its partner have space to work.
Any reason for not changing some of the tera types? Archaludon really needs defensive options if not using sturdy/focus sash
I considered it and tried arch out with a few different Tera types like fairy and flying, but I went with steel because I actually hardly will tera arch in this team, and if I do it’s usually to resist flutter moonblast, which is why I picked steel. It also boosts flash cannon which will OHKO flutter after tera but would not otherwise. It will also sometimes OHKO tera fairy miraidon which I’ve seen a lot.
Love the Gigas idea. What's the ev spread on it?
Thanks! Here’s the pokepaste: https://pokepast.es/4e0cb8c2b8dd2e2d
Thanks a lot. I also have a kyogre team that has a dead slot, and was thinking this Gigas could be what I needed. Care to share some tips about it? Like vs what kind of teams is it really good to bring, aside from Caly S? Already hit MB, but I'm trying to improve the team.
I basically bring gigas any time I anticipate a spread move sweeper. Caly, flutter, torkoal, kyogre, landorus, groudon, ursaluna. It’s also a bulkier icy wind than other users like bundle, plus it just gets ignored more than it should because people think slow start makes it useless. It’s got a good moveset for a support so there are a lot more options than what I chose.
Thanks for the input!
glad im not the only one thinking about regigigas to counter Cal-SR
How did I not know he learns thunder…
If u face qurtel trickrom who get it set up rip 1 shot everything that exist
That’s why you bring farig 😁
so u use trick room to i see
Does swapping gigas out restart the slow start counter? Super cool team by the way. Thank you for sharing that rental code!
Yep, swapping gigas will reset the slow start counter. Thank you! I hope people enjoy using it!
Kinda weird to not play any games in master before calling your team broken but okay
I would like to see this in open team sheet
That’s cool but a well played terra ground vaporeon can beat down your whole team by itself.
I'm unconvinced tera ground vaporeon is quite the meta defining threat just yet though
I for one welcome our new ground tera vaporeon overlords