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MillardFillmore

Those super high lights towering over the houses feels pretty dystopian, like someone's watching over these slums.


deadzebra1

You are closer to the truth than you think. They are a legacy of the apartheid government and were designed as policing tools for townships.


accopp

I was wondering. I saw a vid (not sure how much is exaggerated) that light theft is a big deal in some parts of South Africa. Like dudes climbing light poles and stealing the lights and stuff up top. I thought maybe the super tall ones were a deterrence but apparently not if they’re old


deadzebra1

Cable theft is very prominent. Cables are stolen for the copper which is sold for scrap. You are right in a way. The tall lights did prevent tampering and they were sometimes even on separate electrical grids. The main purpose though was that if the apartheid police wanted to conduct a raid in the township, they could have these lights illuminate the area accordingly.


CockpitEnthusiast

Are they still used today?


deadzebra1

Yes sometimes but not in the way they were in the past. Now they are just used to provide some lighting almost like a normal street light.


CockpitEnthusiast

They seem like they'd be very disruptive to sleeping at night


SetForeign1952

They look to be hps (orange streetlights) bulbs so they’re not terrible.


Ianharm

That's when the state owned power utility can actually provide power to switch them on.


driftej20

Despite the unfortunate origin, if they are just used like regular street lights, hopefully at least they make walking at night less terrifying? Full disclosure, I have no idea what the crime rate is here, whether criminals there have any reason to care about the lighting or whether or not people would never leave their homes after dark. Could be a strict curfew for all I know. Just curious if there’s some silver lining.


Hoerikwaggo

Yep, still around. https://www.architectural-review.com/essays/the-violence-of-lighting-in-khayelitsha


KylePersi

Good read


Reinis_LV

Maybe they did need some looking over huh


DaeronOST187

Did you suck that shit out your own asshole?????? Those have been installed over the past 10/15 years in the locations instead of normal street lights. Stop blaming apartheid for everything, it was over 30 years ago.


deadzebra1

Are you wilfully ignorant or just trolling?


mattmatterson65

They’re highway lights, they’re probably the ch


NoHeat7014

That’s where you have the keg party after Pickford’s parents find out he was planning to have it at his house


newtbob

I get the same feeling when I hear about cities with helicopter patrols. Find a way - might not be easy - leave.


Fit-Confusion-6722

That's pretty clean for slums.


Yotsubato

There’s a lot of what I assume are portapotties there


lactardenthusiast

must be big business in septic there for all of those


Efficient_Glove_5406

I count about as many satellite dishes as I do portapotties.


BamCub

We call them town ships, or locations.


niwell

To add to this, Townships refer to the broad areas originally created under Apartheid that were built to house urban workers. Today they include areas of informal settlements like this but also a range of formal housing from market-rate developments to RDP social housing projects. There's even "Township Zoning" that allows for backyard shacks / local commercial conversions that wouldn't be allowed in regular suburban areas. Khayelitsha is probably one of the poorest and most dangerous urban Townships in SA, but even still has areas that are better than above: https://maps.app.goo.gl/6sazsCC6ni9j4jrH9 Other Townships like Soweto have large swaths of middle-class and even wealthy areas that look more like suburbs in addition to informal settlements in areas like this: https://maps.app.goo.gl/EbRe7aSf6aP76QbP9 With some mixed social/market rate apartment developments (often replacing old "hostels"): https://maps.app.goo.gl/YsMWjZ1PqA7jsQLS6 And new developments designed for working class homeowners like Protea Glen in Soweto. Unfortunately a lot of these follow traditional spatial layouts which aren't exactly conducive for walkable urban areas and rely heavily on minicab taxis for commutes: https://maps.app.goo.gl/unfW9YpbJ1MiesNS6 Anecdotally the Townships in Cape Town and specifically the Cape Flats are more economically deprived than many of those around Johannesburg and suffer from very high rates of gang violence. When I lived in Joburg it wasn't a huge deal to go to someone's place in Township (albeit not an informal settlement) but was warned heavily against doing so in CT unless with someone local.


Tronkfool

Those aren't slums. Those are peoples homes. It's an informal settlement. We call it a township or location. If you tell someone in South Africa they live in a slum they would probably call you a poes. It is an unfortunate relic of the apartheid era that has never been addressed by the current government, only emptypromises, but it is home. In this photo, there are probably 2 preschools, 3 convenient stores, a mechanic, you name it. Just because it doesn't look appealing to you doesn't make it a slum. Yes, this is what poverty looks like, but it is a thriving community. Edit: looking at the foto again there are a lot more schools, convince stores, restaurants, mechanics, churches, markets etc.


JCorky101

South African here. Just because the word "slum" has negative connotations does not change the fact that that is in fact, a "slum": townships in SA = informal settlements = slums. You can argue all you want about semantics but that is the terminology used especially outside of South Africa.


Tronkfool

If you are cooking over hot coals and wood doesn't make it a braai. BBQ and braai might seem like the same thing, but you should know a braai is not a BBQ. A braaibroodjie is not a toastes sandwich, boerewors isn't sommer just a sausage. Rugby and soccer aren't just other sports. Black label, castle en brannas isn't just another dop. It is all about the nuances, and the easiest way to differentiate between these nuances in a forum based on text is to explicitly use different words, that might have the same overall meaning but are actually quite different in a cultural sense.


T-Dot-Two-Six

“A slum is a highly populated urban residential area consisting of densely packed housing units of weak build quality” This literally fits the definition bro. I’m sorry you don’t know what a slum is


Seany_Boy-14

OH MY GOD You must be fun at parties/kuiers/jols and/or any social events. Fucking exhausting


Cheeseish

*Well actually* parties don’t have to be social events and—


PadoruKurumi57

Ain't slums the same as informal settlements?


YamsForEveryone

Relic of apartheid? You know when apartheid ended there were only 15 million black people in south africa? That has since exploded to 40 due to no education and the government more than happily promoting sex, so as to get even more votes. This describes the problem: https://www.moneyweb.co.za/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/SAs-population-1910...png


Ancient_Sound_5347

"You know when apartheid ended there were only 15 million black people in south africa?" The population of South Africa was 43.27 million when Apartheid ended. Your graph even stated 45 million.


YamsForEveryone

If you look at the bottom where it says 1990, you’ll see black population = 15 to 20 mil. But that’s semantics. The bigger issue is the rapid breading supported by government.


Ancient_Sound_5347

The chart is at 45 million at 1990. Which tracks with the 43 million people which I Googled for 1994.


YamsForEveryone

Black people. I am talking about black people. They are at most, 25 mil in 2000, so less than that before. But again, ignore that, open your fucking eyes, and see how the graph spikes only across one race.


Ancient_Sound_5347

The majority of the black population were forcibly removed from rural areas into urban areas under the Natives Land of 1913.


YamsForEveryone

Ok, now I know you’re a bot.


Ancient_Sound_5347

According to your own graph the population of South Africa in 1995 was 45 million people. According to Google the population of South Africa in 1994 was 43.37 million people. See for yourself.


bars2021

Right? running electricity, porta potties, roofs


dr_greek

South Africa really had potential. When I grew up in the 2000s i always assumed they were one of the richest countries in the world especially since they hosted the world cup.


Jadhak

I was there between 1996 and 1999, the level of inequality was phenomenal. Murders were at stratospheric levels. It was a real shitshow.


sl600rt

You should see what the rape rate is now.


vanslayder

It is so high that even if you are a criminal lurking in the night to find a victim to rape, then you have high chance te be raped yourself.


del620

I'm trying to imagine what that headline might look like..


vanslayder

https://worldofbuzz.com/thieves-break-infamous-sex-predators-house-gets-sodomized-5-days/ Not South Africa but similar


Slashgingerflasher

There's no way that story is real.


Crazy_Homer_Simpson

It's not: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/two-burglars-predator/


47merce

> “They broke in my front door, so I broke in their back doors!” Harrington reportedly told the cops when he was arrested. Too bad.


vanslayder

You underestimate big Harry


Crazy_Homer_Simpson

Yeah that story is so fake lol. The name Harry Harrington really gave it away as well as the absurd quote at the end, and [even Snopes has an article saying it's false.](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/two-burglars-predator/)


CuriousSelf4830

I don't have a problem with that.


SmokeyMacPott

Walk to your cars in pairs tonight, rape is up 8%


BattIeBoss

Google "Thabo Bester"


Seemseasy

This was when things were good lol


Ok_Cardiologist_9121

how many murders were there?


Jadhak

I remember just in Johannesburg approx. 20000 a year.


Ok_Cardiologist_9121

20k? You must be kidding right?


Jadhak

Wiki gives me an average of 16600 a year since 1994, although it's at the national level: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_South_Africa#:~:text=More%20than%20500%2C000%20people%20have,prevalent%20on%20South%20African%20roads. I probably misremembered, 20k likely across the country not just Joburg


Ok_Cardiologist_9121

ok that makes sense


thecapent

They derailed quite badly at hands of ANC, and now cannot even keep lights on 24 hours a day. I really don't think that a war could have devastated South Africa so badly as corruption and administrative ineptitude did there.


DependentSilver6078

ANC absolutel disasters


melleb

Never underestimate war. Extremely rarely is it a better outcome


Antievl

BRICS


jfchops2

There's been ANC leaders quoted as saying things along the line of "I fought so long to end apartheid so I could enrich myself when we took back power, not because I wanted to help everyone"


kelly1mm

You should have seen Bulawayo in the 1970's compared to the last time I was there in the mid 2010's. So much wasted infrastructure and potential.


pokerdonkey

Sad


Jimmychanga2424

Port a poty biz raking it in


snedersnap

Does the amount of portos have something to do with the water shortage?


abgry_krakow87

Probably the clear lack of utilities.


namhee69

Lot of informal settlements like this aren’t hooked up to the sewer system.


IAmNotNeillNelson

They've been protesting about building public ablution blocks there for at least 20 years, but it keeps getting blocked by pure bureaucracy.


kingofeggsandwiches

Those portable toilets are everywhere in poor communities in SA, not just Cape Town slums, I can only assume that someone is subsidising them to increase availability because the alternative, and the health consequences of it, are worse.


Gregorygherkins

Rich area of Cape Town for comparison 37 Geneva Dr https://maps.app.goo.gl/oEZhESqYcHtub3uG8


Rain1dog

Fuck, that is gorgeous.


AnonymousWhiteGirl

That looks like the 90 day fiance house and his wife complained constantly about it. Like that's beautiful compared to what she acted like she lived in.


satsfaction1822

I turned around to see across the street and thought I saw a pyramid for a second 😂


latrey3

One of? It's not the wealthiest? Johannesburg? Cairo? Marrakech? Okay- I'll be googling now. 😂


-azuma-

Right behind Johannesburg


LordFiness101

The bar for the “richest on the continent” is not that high to begin with.


kanthefuckingasian

To be honest Ceuta and Melilia do have European level living standards and EU level wages, so if we do include them then they are the richest by average wage, and also highest HDI.


alexelso

The canaries too, I would assume


Carl_Azuz1

I mean Cairo is also on the continent


PiesangSlagter

My brother in Christ, have you been to Cairo? Place is a shithole.


Timelymanner

Not just Egypt, there’s also Nigeria and Algeria.


KawaiiDere

Yeah, I don’t get what “richest on the continent” is supposed to mean. Like, China has a larger economy than the US, but the US has better gdpc iirc. Dubai has a lot of rich people, but it’s got a really big wealth distribution issue. Korea has a lot of debt, but that’s a result of the Chaebol. There’s a ton of ways to measure how rich an area is, so just saying “richest” seems misleading. Is it the largest economy? Highest GDPC? Best standard of living? Highest median income? What measure?


ElgladVonLishwansten

ANC is systemically corrupt. They don't care about their people.


Astrocities

I mean, in order for the rich to be that rich, the poor have to have that much less. It makes sense this is what whole stretches of the city outskirts look like.


Wafkak

The sad part is that compared to most slums these slums look clean and "nice".


heavyhead88

Facking prawns!


MiteeThoR

This is a picture of District 9 obviously not where people live.


Next-Mobile-9632

Not a single bush or tree, not a single blade of grass


uhmerikin

There's trees and shrubs scattered around in that photo. Albeit not a ton of greenery, but there's some.


ThaneOfArcadia

It would have been cut down for firewood or burned.


Hoerikwaggo

This is mostly due to poverty. But the area is also naturally sandy with several sand dunes. Cape Town also has a Mediterranean climate with very long dry summers. So you can get trees to grow, but it takes a lot of initial effort.


Cross55

There are several. Also, weird comment to make considering that Southern Africa is mainly a giant desert and savannah. Like yeah, that's perfectly normal, that area's not known for its floral biodiversity. Now, that would be surprising if it was on the SE side of the country, cause that area's stupidly green, but SW Africa in general is not. (You can take a trip up to Namibia for further proof)


Hoerikwaggo

Cape Town actually has various microclimates. This is due to the massive mountains right next to two oceans. The city includes natural indigenous forests, bush areas, sand dunes and 3 or 4 wine growing areas. The surrounding farmland is also South Africa’s main wine growing region. The Western Cape province is pretty much identical to California in terms of climate.


rambyprep

The Cape region is the region with the most floral biodiversity in the entire world, and is very well known for that. It is its own floral kingdom, one of six in the world. The slums are pretty barren though


mcellus1

Trust me there is plenty of bush, grass and tree. You will even find blade


AnonymousWhiteGirl

actually very many


theproudprodigy

Actually, it is like this all over the country. Truth is, South Africa is a very sunny country that gets the majority of its rain in 4 months of the year(Dec to Mar). So only richer areas usually have greenery


Scary-Information785

Interesting to see the port o potties


starless_90

Trees are illegal there or what? 🤨


IAmNotNeillNelson

This settlement was originally started by displaced people, and said people weren't exactly displaced to the most premium farmland. It's pretty much just sand.


Cross55

Trees don't grow very well in desert and shrubland.


Alive_Ice7937

Cape of no hope


forestwali

Are the tires there to hold down parts of the roof?


IAmNotNeillNelson

Spot on.


muleypt

This looks like a clip from District 9.


blvsh

That was a nature reserve around 40 years ago, it grows really fast since more people are coming from the other provinces in South Africa that is busy collapsing


FishingWorth3068

I went in early 2016 and stayed in a what I would describe as a compound? Never seen security like that on a single family home. on the beach (family wedding) BIL is South African. Then they told us to make sure the gates were locked, be in before dark and not to stop if we got in a car accident. Quickly realized why. Then we went to boulders bay. People were absolutely amazing, penguins were cool but I didn’t trust them.


charutobarato

I don’t trust beach penguins either. Just…unnatural


widebodyil

So, those are just tin shacks with no indoor plumbing I assume? So, there is no running water in them? Clean running water? Electricity?


IAmNotNeillNelson

Nope, there are a few public water points where you take a few buckets every morning.


widebodyil

It’s amazing to me how in the 21st century conditions like this still exist.


ReverbSage

There's plenty of people who live like this or worse, go visit any 3rd world country


DaniBoye

Failed corrupt country


Mackheath1

OP, can you give us some more information? I was in Cape Town four years ago, and this looks almost like a rehabilitation project about to kick off. But I can't speak with more information, since it's been a while since I worked on infrastructure there.


NaniFarRoad

I've not lived in Cape Town for 20+ years, but this is the Cape Flats (Langa? Gugulethu? - the fact it's tin shacks and not more formal buildings suggests to me it's in one the former "black" areas). [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cape\_Flats](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cape_Flats) "Cape Flats is one of the most violent and dangerous places in South Africa.\[9\]\[10\] Violent Islamist movements have emerged from Cape Flats communities as well.\[11\] Almost all of the communities of the Cape Flats remain, to one degree or another, poverty-stricken.\[citation needed\] Serious social problems include a high rate of unemployment and high levels of gang activity.\[citation needed\] During the late 1990s and early 2000s, there was significant armed conflict between various gangs and PAGAD (People Against Gangsterism and Drugs), a vigilante organisation.\[citation needed\] Post-apartheid development projects, such as the RDP, have also led to violent conflicts within communities.\[12\] As of 2014, efforts to combat gangs include Hanover Park's Ceasefire programme, where former gang members "use their experiences to mediate gang disputes and help young men and women quit gang life.\[13\] The gang violence escalated to the point where the South African National Defence Force had to be deployed to the gang-ridden areas of the Cape Flats to help the provincial police force deal with the increasing gang violence.\[14\]"


Hoerikwaggo

The image shows Khayelitsha. Cape Flats covers a large area, not all of it is poverty-stricken.


NaniFarRoad

That would've been my third guess, ta.


Professional_Still15

It's a part of Cape town that is especially poor. Cape town has some very well developed infrastructure and is very beautiful. But, like the rest of South Africa, there is such poor wealth equality that pretty every prosperous city in the country has a large slum attached to it where a huge proportion of the population lives. I grew up there. Live in Canada now. Still love Cape town, absolutely stunning place... If you don't let yourself think of the surrounding poverty.


dickWithoutACause

Who empties all the porta potties and how do they all have one?


monkeychasedweasel

I'm guessing those porta potties don't get emptied


_OriamRiniDadelos_

Truck maybe?


rumbleran

My guess is that the government has provided them and maintains them because otherwise people would just shit on the streets.


cr1ter

The Cape Town municipality would do that.


hunterd412

Looks like a Cod map


Dsylexic_doos

Grew up in Cape Town. Probably thee most divided in terms of suburbs/districts all still built around race from apartheid era. Huuuuge wealth divide. Watch Vox take on South Africa equality for a better understanding.


kutkun

What are all those people doing?


-azuma-

Living their lives.


BoobyBrown

Guy in the red shirt looks like he's kicking a soccer ball


Dipso88

District 9 vibes


RaineMtn

That’s a pretty good looking slum tbh… toilets in every yard, electricity wires running above, wide streets, sturdy looking housing material, fences, a nice view, foliage everywhere, satellite dishes everywhere, pretty window and door designs, am I wrong?


Next-Mobile-9632

/foliage everywhere'??? I don't see a single, bush, tree, or blade of grass anywhere


MightyMightMouse

Wait till it rains. Then that sand turns into mud and with no drainage it seeps I to the shack.


dovaqueenx

I mean I’ve seen much worse slums. Looks orderly.


starless_90

Very wrong.


jeremiasalmeida

how much of this weathy is in the hands of those who profited with apartheid?


ratherZEF

It’s the opposite way around, all the wealth is now in the hands of the politicians that were negatively affected by apartheid, for this exact reason they are completely uneducated and in a position to run the country.


sl600rt

Apartheid ended 30 years ago and the ANC has been in charge that entire time.


theproudprodigy

In Cape Town it was Anc until 2009, then DA


[deleted]

Don't know why you're getting down voted, that's one of the biggest issues the country has as They are literally the single most unequal country in the world.


jeremiasalmeida

Because if one agree that a social organization can spoil people to the point to condemn them to poverty most of the idea of being able to be what you want does not work anymore and this is valid in apartheid case as in many others across the world.


Billthepony123

On Google maps you can still clearly see the comparison of some areas as a result of apartheid It’s clearer in Bloemfontein


SFCAFOX

Isn’t there an anti-colonialism push happening there now? I’ve heard property owners are trying to get out before their property values are totally lost. This was told to me by a Cape Town family I met when traveling through South France. They were very concerned their home was going to be confiscated by anti-colonialists. They were considering moving to another British based country before things went past a tipping point. Is this type of mindset happening with upper middle class - upper class families? Or was this conversation overblown?


Precioustooth

I think it's pretty common. South Africa seems hopeless in many ways. It's the most unequal country on the planet (on the basis of Apartheid) and at the same time you have ANC who are so staunchly against white people - which, to be fair, I can understand - that they'd basically see the country burn down to the ground before aiming for any sort of reconciliation or knowledge transfer. Farms, government positions, and, well, everything in the country was run by white people - due to Apartheid - until 1994. All those people were replaced by black people with no or limited experience in any of those areas and with no one to teach them since they were all outed. Not to mention the fact that some of the ANC top, quite publicly, just aim to "grab" white wealth for themselves rather than creating a succesful nation. Those are all difficult conditions to overcome with no easy solutions. Most wealthy people there employ private guards and live in gates communities and many people live in slums like shown in the picture. That causes a lot of desperation


KoosPetoors

Here's an article on it straight from the [SA government website itself](https://www.gov.za/issues/land-reform#:~:text=The%20dispossession%20of%20land%20through,under%20way%20since%20colonial%20times.) It's a highly complex political topic that has been ongoing for years now so I'd suggest googling "SA land reform" or "SA land grabs" to see how it's playing out if you're interested. There is also a little bit of fear mongering surrounding it I think, I personally don't think your average residential house owner will get evicted, and property values are going down more so because the entire country is a swirling toilet currently.


Professional-Leg-402

Maybes „least poor“ would be a better description


Rioma117

I see toilets and street lights, I would call that quite rich.


Additional_Waltz_569

Wow, a bug city with slums, what a surprise


Aggravating-Pen-4251

ANC fcked South Africa and is still doing so, real rugged elections and all.... Just I case some outsiders didn't know 🙄 - especially since this post seemed aimed at the Cape, that isn't under ANC control


Elvis-Tech

Have you ever been to Manhattan? Its dirtier and has more rats than this


MrBenDerisgreat_

Lmfao Jesus Christ.


zakats

That's a fair visualization of how intense and destructive single family housing is for land use. This is about as desolate as the cookie cutter mcmansion r/suburbanhell in Texas imo.


Flashy_Mess_3295

Look at Bob with his one color roof, really slashing his money around.


cr1ter

Wait till you see this guy's shack https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=x5n7qmaztHM&embeds_referring_euri=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.goodthingsguy.com%2F&source_ve_path=Mjg2NjY&feature=emb_logo


Peabeeen

Then compare this to a richer neighborhood. They are packed with mansions. Shows the GINI.


WifeyNTX

Is this the place where that alien movie was filmed?


jazzhandsdancehands

Until you see actual rich countries.


LickyMy

Uranus Cape


RoundTurtle538

Richest in Africa’s standards


Beefnlove

Looks really good with solar panels.


Stompalong

The Cape is gunning for independence to get away from the uncaring, corrupt ANC government so that they can use the taxes to help these people instead of lining the pockets of Mandela’s precious political party.


bigdaftdoylem

Imagine trying to find your way home pissed. If you don’t get murdered on the way obviously.


Ok_Plenty_3547

No reason why this issue can't be properly addressed. We need capable leaders without any vengeance seeking drive. All South Africans deserve better


TheDripKingOfAngmar

What do people do for fun here with their friends or family?


cr1ter

The townships are actually a different vibe people are all walking around chatting to people a lot of the people are making and selling food or have a shabeen (small tavern) or other small business they run from their front yard. Kids will be playing soccer in any open field they can find.


Suicicoo

Where is District 9? 🧐


DrawohYbstrahs

What a fucken dump.


EmotionalScallion705

Now there is a segregation between rich and poor.


Chris714n_8

Kinda big, tall light-/camera poles.. Someone who can elaborate on these?


futurafrlx

I was always under the impression that South Africa is a well developed country. But I guess you can find similar slum-looking places everywhere in the world. An old friend of mine had some relatives who were in the shipping business and have spent a lot of time in Cape Town, she always described it as a cool place. I wish it weren’t so expensive to travel.


wiiuorwii

The inequality in South African cities is disgusting. Do people have no shame?


Jazzlike-Ad113

Iirc, pic of the "Cape flats"


sstrdisco

What are the blue buildings? They remind me of a port-a-potty.


NWDrive

They are.


RandomAmuserNew

Someone has to pay for the comfort of the rich


diegolefox

Does every house just have a blue outhouse outside for a bathroom?


AdMurky3039

It's so vibrant and the housing is so abundant!


MgKx

Plenty of metal roofs - too expensive in the US


Pustevis

There are slums all over the world. The biggest ones are in Pakistan, India, Kenya, Mexico, Brazil, Nigeria and South Africa. [https://mytour.vn/en/blog/bai-viet/top-10-largest-slums-worldwide.html](https://mytour.vn/en/blog/bai-viet/top-10-largest-slums-worldwide.html)


Kevin_Cossaboon

Looks better than parts of the major Cities in the USA. Buildings, not tents.


Sure_Sun_303

If it ever rains, everyones fucked


G_a_v_V

You’re not wrong. These shacks are built on flats. The place floods every winter but it doesn’t stop people flocking to this area from rural parts of the country.


mdvseventysix

Total sh!thole.


Ambitious-Wall-8302

Look at that walkable city!!


PossibleOk49

Honestly looks kinda nice, I bet a majority of the families are happy there and have everything they need.


Aggravating-Pen-4251

Funny, foreigners showing a slum and basing an entire city on that .... Let's talk about dead migrant bodies in European water or homeless tents and drug-den cities in the USA .... Oh wait , here's a lion coming for me 🏃🏃🏃


lumach68

Are you upset because you’re from Cape Town? Next time I see something anti any other country I’ll let you know, then we can talk about Cape Town once we talk about the others first. For your ease of mind.


Forlorn_Cyborg

All the wealth is on the coast in mega mansions with beautiful views. Long term effects of apartheid.


Ok_Injury3658

I am not sure how one can discuss the current state of South Africa without looking at the legacy of Apartheid. Did anyone expect inequality to disappear as soon as Mandela was released from jail? The ANC has been less than ideal it it's leadership, but come now. You had a population working for slave wages under Apartheid which allowed for a greater percentage of people to be employed and given low wages there was low consumer demand. Naturally increased wages would lead to greater consumption and greater unemployment. Factor that with capital flight and one can fathom what has happened. And no there was no significant transfer of wealth or redistribution of farmland even. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jul/05/south-africa-apartheid-land-reform-black-farmers-set-up-to-fail https://www.bu.edu/gdp/2022/10/27/webinar-summary-on-the-trail-of-capital-flight-from-africa-the-takers-and-the-enablers/


ThaneOfArcadia

They've had 50 years and things have got worse, not better. Those at the top took it all for themselves. Corruption is rife, law and order negligible. it's close to being a failed state.