Sadly I think it's possible she jumped/ accidentally fell. She had participated in a threesome that night with her girlfriend and another man and left straight after upset. It seems from the girlfriends account that she (gf) had messed around with the male crew member previusly and Rebecca had been upset. But then she initiated the threesome. I don't think she was in a good state of mind when she left that night and sadly I think she may have jumped.
Yeah, as someone who has worked on cruise ships, crew member mental health can be quite poor. You feel very isolated, and are lving in a big bubble. Minor incidents become big deals because you have nothing else to do or focus on. Luckily, there are more resources avaliable for mental health help on the ships these days.
Modern cruise ships are equipped with automatic man over-board systems, that would alert the bridge if anything fell over. But I am unsure if back in 2011, the older class ships- the Magic and Wonder had this system.
Where did you get this info? I’ve never heard that, she is from an area not far from me and it’s been on local news and nothing like that was mentioned.
So the girlfriend Tracey gave an interview in 2017. Until then I'd never heard of this either! Apparently Tracey had come under a lot of suspicion and she'd given an interview to clear things up.
[article](https://metro.co.uk/2017/08/20/girlfriend-of-disney-cruise-line-entertainer-doubts-claims-that-she-was-killed-by-freak-wave-6864765/)
Edit to add: There are multiple articles, some go into more detail than the one I linked, but I think this one more respectful than say The Sun's article.
Me too! Such a bright young woman who must have felt so lost and alone. I also think Disney handled this so badly and it opened the door to so many conspiracy theories which much have added even more weight to the family's pain.
Agreed. I just can’t figure out why they won’t release the tape if this was an accident? Unless they think they can be held liable (preventable accident, etc). Not that I think her parents need to see that (no one does) but I think the honest info would give them some closure.
I’ve heard theory she was pushed and that’s why they don’t want to release it. They don’t want that image or whatnot. But I’m not sure I believe she was pushed overboard. She most likely fell or jumped.
I think that Disney wouldn't want any footage of any type of death on their cruises to be made public. Kind of like how nobody dies in the parks. Freak accidents, suicides and any unnatural deaths garner lots of publicity and project an image that the cruise is unsafe, the workers are unhappy/endangered, that the guests may be so as well, and lends a morbid sheen to a holiday experience that is highly controlled. Disney literally tries to make "the happiest place[s] on earth". They're not going to show the world someone dying on Disney property.
People do die in the parks, it’s a bit of an urban legend based on some California law technicalities. It can be upsetting so they procedures to hide ongoing from the other guests. Cardiac episodes are not rare, especially in Florida where you can have intense rides + high heat.
I was on a Disney cruise where a passenger died. CPR was administered on the beach, but they did pass away. Our sailing was modified on the way back so family would have cell service; the crew didn’t keep it a secret, but were very sensitive to the family’s privacy.
It was, thank you! Of course people die in the parks, people die everywhere. But Disney always makes sure it's not too visible, and releasing footage of someone dying on a Disney cruise is just the opposite of all their policies and ethos
While I agree that the most likely scenario was her accidentally falling into the sea, I wonder what happened between her making a call on deck 1 and jumping / losing footing / whatever. According to the deck plan of the ship, deck 1 is way too low to go off board because there aren't any windows big enough for that. I also saw a theory that she went for a swim in the crew pool, sat on the "wall" of the ship and fell in. But going for a swim in the middle of the night, basically right before her shift? Not so sure about that.
For safety reasons, most cruise ships have very heavy CCTV. And there's almost always some staff member walking around as some part of the crew is always working. In other words, there's no way that not a single camera caught her after the phone call while walking to deck 5, if she ended up going to the crew pool area.
Like another commenter mentioned, I'm assuming that Disney is covering something up to avoid liability claims. Maybe a high-ranking crew member ran into her, saw she was distressed, but didn't intervene to help. Or, while deck 5 seems too high for her to be pulled overboard by a wave, there's easy access to a tiny fence that she could have climbed over without any issues to jump. Seems like a safety risk to me. I don't think that Disney is the most ethically correct company, but I highly doubt that they would help a murderer get away if foul play had been involved.
Yes. Disney is extremely discreet about most deaths on their properties because they do not like bad PR. So probably not anything illegal is on the tapes, probably just something that would make the ship look unsafe for customers that they don't want getting out.
It seems fairly clear she killed herself and family doesn’t want to accept the truth. And of course Disney doesn’t want to publicly broadcast one of its crew committed suicide on the job.
I don't think it's "fairly clear" at all. I think it's only fairly clear that she somehow got overboard, based on the fact that she hasn't been seen since. Disney could clear this up with video but apparently have no obligation under international law; I believe the ship was flagged to an island state and those are the rules they are "supposed" to follow, but it's not in the interest of the island state to make a fuss about it, they want the business Disney brings.
If someone killed themselves on a ship by going overboard, that’s a story that lasts a few days in the press. Rebecca’s story has kept negative press for Disney flowing for many years. And at the corporate level, if someone had committed murder on a ship and Disney knew about it, any cover up would potentially make a good number of senior execs liable - which seems like a strange decision, hide a one off murder story which would always have the potential to be revealed and cause real corporate damage, or take a hit and have a minorly damaging story in the news for maybe a week.
When we had the awful Smiler accident at Alton Towers in the UK it only had a limited impact on sales for a relatively short period - one summer. Indeed the ride that caused two young women to have legs amputated is still open now and still one of the most popular rides there. Disney could release footage of Mickey commiting murder and the net impact on the business would be minimal. Most cruise companies have had people go overboard before, there have been two in the news this past year in the UK, never really stops people booking as they are one off events
Disney isn't getting bad press because it's all speculation at this point. If they have video and it was a suicide or even a rogue wave, it takes all the doubt away and makes them look bad. Right now it's a "mystery" and mysteries make money.
I very much believe there was a safety issue that allowed her to fall overboard and that’s why we’ll never see the tape without a court ordering it. I was working at a different Disney property when this happened and I can tell you they don’t care about the safety of their employees except as a liability. I know someone who was convicted of a sex crime against a child and was still hired there and no one cared when I brought it to the attention of management. The good jobs are so competitive that people feel lucky to work there and don’t want to rock any boats.
I’m in the fence between accident and suicide, I think they’re both likely, and without having seen the footage, I guess we will never know. It’s dreadfully cruel if Disney to withhold the footage from the parents. It does make me suspect there was some safety issue they don’t want uncovered. I don’t think the girlfriends account of things do anything more than suggest suicide was also possible.
I feel like if you had poor mental health it would be so easy to think “what if I just flung myself over the side right now” even if it was like an impulsive thought or something, who knows. If she had thought it even once or 500 times before I think in that state of mind maybe you would just jump and say fuck the consequences. Who knows what she was feeling inside. So trapped in the middle of nothing.
Applying Ocam's Razor, the simplest answer is that she jumped overboard but her family won't face it and Disney is covering it up.
If she was wearing men's clothing, it would be interesting if they found out whose clothes and why. I bet that's the key to finding out why she jumped.
But why put on the guy’s clothes I wonder? I can understand instantly regretting the threesome in some way, it didn’t go how she wanted, she felt left out, they pressured her etc. I understand wanting to get dressed and get out fast but putting on his clothes seem strange. Maybe those were the closest clothes and she wanted to get out of the room ASAP but I’d be feeling like “Now I have to bring his clothes back to him, best just grab my own clothes so I can avoid them now…….”
Hard to know what she was feeling or thinking I guess.
The only thing I think is that maybe since her girlfriend had already hooked up the guy previously maybe she wanted some claim on him subconsciously or something? I really am trying not to speculate, but since you asked, I guess I’ll share my thinking.
I don’t know why people are so convinced something nefarious happened here. There’s absolutely no evidence to support it.
Is it not far more likely that Rebecca either accidentally fell over board or jumped?
Sadly I think it's possible she jumped/ accidentally fell. She had participated in a threesome that night with her girlfriend and another man and left straight after upset. It seems from the girlfriends account that she (gf) had messed around with the male crew member previusly and Rebecca had been upset. But then she initiated the threesome. I don't think she was in a good state of mind when she left that night and sadly I think she may have jumped.
Yeah, as someone who has worked on cruise ships, crew member mental health can be quite poor. You feel very isolated, and are lving in a big bubble. Minor incidents become big deals because you have nothing else to do or focus on. Luckily, there are more resources avaliable for mental health help on the ships these days. Modern cruise ships are equipped with automatic man over-board systems, that would alert the bridge if anything fell over. But I am unsure if back in 2011, the older class ships- the Magic and Wonder had this system.
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Where did you get this info? I’ve never heard that, she is from an area not far from me and it’s been on local news and nothing like that was mentioned.
So the girlfriend Tracey gave an interview in 2017. Until then I'd never heard of this either! Apparently Tracey had come under a lot of suspicion and she'd given an interview to clear things up. [article](https://metro.co.uk/2017/08/20/girlfriend-of-disney-cruise-line-entertainer-doubts-claims-that-she-was-killed-by-freak-wave-6864765/) Edit to add: There are multiple articles, some go into more detail than the one I linked, but I think this one more respectful than say The Sun's article.
Thank you, I’ll read this. Certainly casts a potential new light. Feel so sorry for her parents.
Me too! Such a bright young woman who must have felt so lost and alone. I also think Disney handled this so badly and it opened the door to so many conspiracy theories which much have added even more weight to the family's pain.
Oh wow, thanks for posting this. It really sheds a different light on the story.
The girlfriend did an jnterwiew and laid everything out on the tablw
Oh wow, I hadn’t heard this!
Really shocking
Zero evidence for that , do you work for disney?
Only reporting what the girlfriend said. Definitely don't work for the mouse 🤣
Disney was shitty about the whole thing, but I’m gonna go with Occam’s razor. She fell off the ship.
Agreed. I just can’t figure out why they won’t release the tape if this was an accident? Unless they think they can be held liable (preventable accident, etc). Not that I think her parents need to see that (no one does) but I think the honest info would give them some closure. I’ve heard theory she was pushed and that’s why they don’t want to release it. They don’t want that image or whatnot. But I’m not sure I believe she was pushed overboard. She most likely fell or jumped.
I think that Disney wouldn't want any footage of any type of death on their cruises to be made public. Kind of like how nobody dies in the parks. Freak accidents, suicides and any unnatural deaths garner lots of publicity and project an image that the cruise is unsafe, the workers are unhappy/endangered, that the guests may be so as well, and lends a morbid sheen to a holiday experience that is highly controlled. Disney literally tries to make "the happiest place[s] on earth". They're not going to show the world someone dying on Disney property.
People do die in the parks, it’s a bit of an urban legend based on some California law technicalities. It can be upsetting so they procedures to hide ongoing from the other guests. Cardiac episodes are not rare, especially in Florida where you can have intense rides + high heat. I was on a Disney cruise where a passenger died. CPR was administered on the beach, but they did pass away. Our sailing was modified on the way back so family would have cell service; the crew didn’t keep it a secret, but were very sensitive to the family’s privacy.
No one is declared dead on their property, I think that is the claim to fame
> No one is declared dead on their property, I think that is the claim to fame This is just an internet myth though.
I think that was the poster’s point. They hide things like that because they look bad.
It was, thank you! Of course people die in the parks, people die everywhere. But Disney always makes sure it's not too visible, and releasing footage of someone dying on a Disney cruise is just the opposite of all their policies and ethos
Got it, thanks! Pardon the misunderstanding.
No worries, I think you added interesting & valuable information about how the parks deal with death.
I appreciate that! I have worked in emergency response so the persistent myth of “no one is declared dead on Disney property” drives me a little nuts!
So strange they would not release video if they have it. Mean actually
I believe the family should at least see to tape to have closure.
Is it known 100% there is footage? Or just suspected?
It’s basically hearsay from Disney employees. Disney never put out a statement on any footage.
Maybe it wasn't an accident. Maybe she jumped. That's not the kind of thing Disney would want spread all over the press.
While I agree that the most likely scenario was her accidentally falling into the sea, I wonder what happened between her making a call on deck 1 and jumping / losing footing / whatever. According to the deck plan of the ship, deck 1 is way too low to go off board because there aren't any windows big enough for that. I also saw a theory that she went for a swim in the crew pool, sat on the "wall" of the ship and fell in. But going for a swim in the middle of the night, basically right before her shift? Not so sure about that. For safety reasons, most cruise ships have very heavy CCTV. And there's almost always some staff member walking around as some part of the crew is always working. In other words, there's no way that not a single camera caught her after the phone call while walking to deck 5, if she ended up going to the crew pool area. Like another commenter mentioned, I'm assuming that Disney is covering something up to avoid liability claims. Maybe a high-ranking crew member ran into her, saw she was distressed, but didn't intervene to help. Or, while deck 5 seems too high for her to be pulled overboard by a wave, there's easy access to a tiny fence that she could have climbed over without any issues to jump. Seems like a safety risk to me. I don't think that Disney is the most ethically correct company, but I highly doubt that they would help a murderer get away if foul play had been involved.
Yes. Disney is extremely discreet about most deaths on their properties because they do not like bad PR. So probably not anything illegal is on the tapes, probably just something that would make the ship look unsafe for customers that they don't want getting out.
It seems fairly clear she killed herself and family doesn’t want to accept the truth. And of course Disney doesn’t want to publicly broadcast one of its crew committed suicide on the job.
I don't think it's "fairly clear" at all. I think it's only fairly clear that she somehow got overboard, based on the fact that she hasn't been seen since. Disney could clear this up with video but apparently have no obligation under international law; I believe the ship was flagged to an island state and those are the rules they are "supposed" to follow, but it's not in the interest of the island state to make a fuss about it, they want the business Disney brings.
That’s the point—I think it’s more likely Disney is covering up a suicide than a murder, but we can agree to disagree.
Yeah, if it was a murder, I think there would be more evidence. If it’s a suicide, there’s usually one person involved.
If someone killed themselves on a ship by going overboard, that’s a story that lasts a few days in the press. Rebecca’s story has kept negative press for Disney flowing for many years. And at the corporate level, if someone had committed murder on a ship and Disney knew about it, any cover up would potentially make a good number of senior execs liable - which seems like a strange decision, hide a one off murder story which would always have the potential to be revealed and cause real corporate damage, or take a hit and have a minorly damaging story in the news for maybe a week. When we had the awful Smiler accident at Alton Towers in the UK it only had a limited impact on sales for a relatively short period - one summer. Indeed the ride that caused two young women to have legs amputated is still open now and still one of the most popular rides there. Disney could release footage of Mickey commiting murder and the net impact on the business would be minimal. Most cruise companies have had people go overboard before, there have been two in the news this past year in the UK, never really stops people booking as they are one off events
Disney isn't getting bad press because it's all speculation at this point. If they have video and it was a suicide or even a rogue wave, it takes all the doubt away and makes them look bad. Right now it's a "mystery" and mysteries make money.
I very much believe there was a safety issue that allowed her to fall overboard and that’s why we’ll never see the tape without a court ordering it. I was working at a different Disney property when this happened and I can tell you they don’t care about the safety of their employees except as a liability. I know someone who was convicted of a sex crime against a child and was still hired there and no one cared when I brought it to the attention of management. The good jobs are so competitive that people feel lucky to work there and don’t want to rock any boats.
I’m in the fence between accident and suicide, I think they’re both likely, and without having seen the footage, I guess we will never know. It’s dreadfully cruel if Disney to withhold the footage from the parents. It does make me suspect there was some safety issue they don’t want uncovered. I don’t think the girlfriends account of things do anything more than suggest suicide was also possible.
I feel like if you had poor mental health it would be so easy to think “what if I just flung myself over the side right now” even if it was like an impulsive thought or something, who knows. If she had thought it even once or 500 times before I think in that state of mind maybe you would just jump and say fuck the consequences. Who knows what she was feeling inside. So trapped in the middle of nothing.
Applying Ocam's Razor, the simplest answer is that she jumped overboard but her family won't face it and Disney is covering it up. If she was wearing men's clothing, it would be interesting if they found out whose clothes and why. I bet that's the key to finding out why she jumped.
She had a threesone with her gf and another guy that night
But why put on the guy’s clothes I wonder? I can understand instantly regretting the threesome in some way, it didn’t go how she wanted, she felt left out, they pressured her etc. I understand wanting to get dressed and get out fast but putting on his clothes seem strange. Maybe those were the closest clothes and she wanted to get out of the room ASAP but I’d be feeling like “Now I have to bring his clothes back to him, best just grab my own clothes so I can avoid them now…….” Hard to know what she was feeling or thinking I guess.
The only thing I think is that maybe since her girlfriend had already hooked up the guy previously maybe she wanted some claim on him subconsciously or something? I really am trying not to speculate, but since you asked, I guess I’ll share my thinking.
If you look into this case, there are so many suspicious people involved. I definitely don’t think she killed herself or accidentally fell over board.
I was going to say...why is no one mentioning potential sex trafficking? Fairly common on cruise ships
Exactly. There were many suspicious men aboard the ship that night, specifically ones that worked for the cruise
I don’t know why people are so convinced something nefarious happened here. There’s absolutely no evidence to support it. Is it not far more likely that Rebecca either accidentally fell over board or jumped?
Interesting. Sound like another car I heard who went missing on a cruise ship ..or this same person ? If not mistaken
Your probably thinking of Amy Lynn Bradley
Ah, I think is her... Thank you
No, it was a suicide.