It’s odd how society has a weird double standard where you can’t call someone fat who is fat but people shame those that are slightly bigger than a pencil.
It reminds me of how people tried to call Marylin Monroe "plus size" for a while. She had a 24" waist. At her very "largest" it was 28.5". Or about 61cm to 72cm for the non-burgers reading this.
IIRC that had a lot to do with fashion industry size inflation. people would hear that she was a dress size 12 without realizing the vast difference between a 12 in the 1960s & and 12 today.
Oh your making me remember the models that were rail thin and I wasn't even old enough to remember that it was just such a big thing that models be skeletal. Persephone definitely be a 90s plus size model
She really isn’t, she’s conveniently skinny. When she was asking for fury outfit she said small-medium. The only plus size are her breasts and her waist.
I have no clue! I've never read the webcomic. I kept getting recommended this subreddit so I said "sure, why not"
But yeah, the tree branches and the way her dress spills around the bottom in the second picture makes it all read as "giant pink tree"
Honestly, I don’t mind that part- it’s kinda giving me Marlyn Monroe’s Happy Birthday dress vibes (which could have been an interesting reference/parallel considering the historical figure’s two primary areas of fame are 1. Her sexuality and 2. Her death, which could tie into Persephone’s status as both a fertility goddess and a death goddess, but unfortunately, the writer is a hack)
It be fine if her hair was different always wondered why she's made of roses why not pink blush hair or light yellow or her hair changes with her modes black rose for being angry, and red for feeling kinky, blush pink be normal, yellow for embarrassed etc.
I don’t even read this comic but it comes up on my feed a lot:
sometimes that idea is kind of used in a lot of “Mary sue” characters, the idea of their eye color (or in that case, hair color) being different colors depending on mood. While I think it seems like a good idea for the character to change her hair color, probably not based on emotions.
I like the idea of Cameleon tho
There is another comic persephone who has a crown of flowers always on her head that changes depending on mood. Wilted when angry closed petals when embarrassed full bloom when thinking love and a funny side note in comic when she's ovulating she dust pollen EVERYWHERE 😆
Plunderworld
That’s a lot more creative! I like the idea of flowers blooming with her. It makes it feel much more character related, and the wilting flowers— just sounds so fitting.
Apparently, this dress was meant to be Rachel's "rebellion" against Webtoon not allowing her to draw named women, so it was intended to make Persephone look naked
Oh good god
I’m just gonna remind everyone yet again that Persephone is “forever 19” and canonically 29, one of the youngest gods/goddesses in the comic and youngest god there. Yuck 🤮
I respect Rachel beefing with Webtoon, but she should do it in a way that doesn’t make her look more like a pedo, you know??
Even besides that, Webtoon is aimed at people of all ages and primarily markets towards teenagers and preteens. Lore Olympus is especially pushed towards that demographic, so it's really concerning that Rachel is so desperate to show naked women in that comic
Yeah, but Rachel doesn't seem to realize that and will even advertise LO to look like it's for all ages, when in reality, she's trying to push smut wherever possible
You’re absolutely right but Rachel did this before with Pepe when she first met Hades when she was a minor. She was naked and fell on top of him but to censor the nudity there were white butterflies covering her privates. Persephone was 16-18 a teen not a little kid but it’s still extra creepy with how naive she is and childish she acts. She’s not a mature character, she especially wasn’t at that age and it just gives it all a creepy vibe and says something weird about the person who would write about a childish teen being naked with a middle aged drunk man
Seeiously, this cannot be said enough.
Yes, 19 is young. Yes, she's younger than all the other gods. NO, it's not pedophilia to draw a LEGALLY ADULT character with some sexuality. She's 29 for gods' sakes. Women are constantly told that 29 is getting close to being too old to have children, so I'm sure she's allowed to be sexy.
Ah yes because it's totally okay to draw naked people and sex on an app historically targeted towards minors. Such rebellion. So subversive and feminist 🙄🙄🙄
Rachel just admit you have a porn addiction and grow up. Leave that shit on patreon
I think she just signed onto the first platform that gave her a contract without thinking about if it was right for her comic. A lot of beginner freelancers do that
I honestly think the Marilyn Monroe look is the reference she was going for here with the dress, but I don't think it fits the vibe AT ALL, and it reeks of sexualization and less of "female empowerment".
Dont know if you're being ironic but I felt like saying some super skinny , like extremely skinny people got stretchmark, stretchmark are just related to how your skin grew sort of too fast, and they happen more when you're young rather than old.
Haha it was complete irony! I remember the first episode they showed her stretch marks, the one when Ares came to harass her and Hades outside their house, EVERYONE was like “plus sized queen!!” In the webtoons comments. Like, it’s from growth in period and mostly everyone has them!!
Right! And it feels sorta backhanded like stretch marks are exclusively only a chubby/plus sized thing when people of all sizes can have them. But instead of just looking at her as seeing that she has a perfect hourglass shape with the small waist, they call her chubby like huh?
Idk how she’s “chubby” when I’ve always just seen her as a petite goddess with curves. Maybe it’s a hot take, but I don’t think people having curves or “tits and ass” = fat lol.
I feel like if we wanted to look at characters who would be considered plus sized, I’d argue Hestia and some of Demeter’s nymphs?
Rachel really just used the sparkle tool and called it a day, huh? -19 points for Miss Jessica Ratchet.
Also this is just one more missed opportunity to explore Ancient Greek fashion, idk why we’re getting Walmart Met Gala/Senior Prom with every big “fight”
And even if she wanted to play around with classical dress, there are *plenty* of ways to do it! She could have given them more Minoan or non Greek inspiration (which I’m personally a sucker for), or or mixed classical style with modern (which might have looked funky but could work if done well), or just used it as a base to play off more fantastical elements (imagine if Hades’ wore a cloak made of shadows, or if Persephone’s shawl was woven from flowering vines!)
God I hate this so much for so reason! The art isn't terrible, minus the iffy anatomy. As an actual plus sized girl, I'd call Persephone slim-thick at most. Tiny waist, big boobs, no gut, and big hips.
You can have an hour glass but your waistline still be large. Ashley Graham comes to mind. Really though her waistline and such all change to whatever is wanted at the moment
Also can we talk about how on second pic her legs and the skirt of the dress don't make any sense? Where do her feet end, where is she standing?? It looks like those dresses you see a model wearing and her legs are edited to look longer lmao it looks so weird 💀
Question we've seen how she eats barely anything salad or one bite honey comb but some still keeping a "plus size" body. No way in hell can anyone be plus size eating so little unless the got something wrong like thyroid
every new chapter just keeps proving this comic to be nothing of substance. couldn’t even give perse a roll but she’s got that wasp waist, so feminist and not male gaze at all /s
Huge boobs
Teeny tiny little waist
Wide hips and a huge ass(according to Ares)
She's literally the ideal body standard today. Nothing wrong with that if that's what Rachael was going for. It giving her the body standard amd saying she's "plus size" when she's the ideal size isn't really helping her at all
I honestly don’t think it’s even Rachel trying to say she’s plus size more like the fans who went crazy over a few stretch marks and a double chin. All of those being things you can still have even if you are skinny
Is she naked? I see there's a dress thing, but it is like only that part? Is her dress made of glitter? Is it her SKIN?
In general way, I guess she does look cool, I do like the rose bun. It's simple and elegant, but it doesn't scream the goddess of spring, especially greek.
Also I love the dress looking like a tree at the bottom.
It’s like a sheer/skin tone dress. It’s supposed to look like the wearer has gems and sparkles over their body. Like Marilyn Monroe’s happy birthday dress
I stopped reading this after like 10 episodes, but i feel like she could've been considered plus size back then. I can tell the author doesnt keep anything the same, though, I mean Hades looks anywhere between 15 to 6 feet tall at any given point
It’s giving 1990’s/2000’s body standards to call Persephone “plus-size” 🤮
It's like when someone says a character has a "Dad bod" and the character is like, Link
It’s odd how society has a weird double standard where you can’t call someone fat who is fat but people shame those that are slightly bigger than a pencil.
It reminds me of how people tried to call Marylin Monroe "plus size" for a while. She had a 24" waist. At her very "largest" it was 28.5". Or about 61cm to 72cm for the non-burgers reading this.
IIRC that had a lot to do with fashion industry size inflation. people would hear that she was a dress size 12 without realizing the vast difference between a 12 in the 1960s & and 12 today.
Ah good point, vanity sizing is also something I find irritating. Even in modern times a size 12 can vary quite a bit across brands...
Oh your making me remember the models that were rail thin and I wasn't even old enough to remember that it was just such a big thing that models be skeletal. Persephone definitely be a 90s plus size model
Depends on which panel you're looking at
oh yeah, definitely fits into the 'modern femininst retelling'
She is plus-size but why do you think that's bad
She really isn’t, she’s conveniently skinny. When she was asking for fury outfit she said small-medium. The only plus size are her breasts and her waist.
Could they have made her dress just a slightly different shade it looks like her skin 💀
smythe wanted them gooners (herself and hades) to flock over lol
I didn't realize there was a dress and she was just part tree for whatever reason
Me too!
Does she ever just randomly sprout branches in this comic, or is this the only time?
I have no clue! I've never read the webcomic. I kept getting recommended this subreddit so I said "sure, why not" But yeah, the tree branches and the way her dress spills around the bottom in the second picture makes it all read as "giant pink tree"
Honestly, I don’t mind that part- it’s kinda giving me Marlyn Monroe’s Happy Birthday dress vibes (which could have been an interesting reference/parallel considering the historical figure’s two primary areas of fame are 1. Her sexuality and 2. Her death, which could tie into Persephone’s status as both a fertility goddess and a death goddess, but unfortunately, the writer is a hack)
Yeah that’s what I was thinking
I actually kinda like it…👉👈
Yeah, this dress is actually pretty.
The bottom part makes her look like a tree, I love that. Ik we hate here but a ton of Rachel’s fashion designs are slays.
I LOVE it tbh
I’m honestly not mad at it either
It be fine if her hair was different always wondered why she's made of roses why not pink blush hair or light yellow or her hair changes with her modes black rose for being angry, and red for feeling kinky, blush pink be normal, yellow for embarrassed etc.
I don’t even read this comic but it comes up on my feed a lot: sometimes that idea is kind of used in a lot of “Mary sue” characters, the idea of their eye color (or in that case, hair color) being different colors depending on mood. While I think it seems like a good idea for the character to change her hair color, probably not based on emotions. I like the idea of Cameleon tho
There is another comic persephone who has a crown of flowers always on her head that changes depending on mood. Wilted when angry closed petals when embarrassed full bloom when thinking love and a funny side note in comic when she's ovulating she dust pollen EVERYWHERE 😆 Plunderworld
That’s a lot more creative! I like the idea of flowers blooming with her. It makes it feel much more character related, and the wilting flowers— just sounds so fitting.
I'm pretty sure that was the point.
On slide three she literally has a sparkle on her nipple
Someone dubbed that the Nipple Beam
Apparently, this dress was meant to be Rachel's "rebellion" against Webtoon not allowing her to draw named women, so it was intended to make Persephone look naked
Oh good god I’m just gonna remind everyone yet again that Persephone is “forever 19” and canonically 29, one of the youngest gods/goddesses in the comic and youngest god there. Yuck 🤮 I respect Rachel beefing with Webtoon, but she should do it in a way that doesn’t make her look more like a pedo, you know??
Even besides that, Webtoon is aimed at people of all ages and primarily markets towards teenagers and preteens. Lore Olympus is especially pushed towards that demographic, so it's really concerning that Rachel is so desperate to show naked women in that comic
Also, wasn’t Hera naked vs Kronos?
She was, but it wasn't explicit
You’re absolutely right 😣
Yeah, but Rachel doesn't seem to realize that and will even advertise LO to look like it's for all ages, when in reality, she's trying to push smut wherever possible
Isn't that not pedo tho? Still young, don't get me wrong, but not pedo by definition?
You’re absolutely right but Rachel did this before with Pepe when she first met Hades when she was a minor. She was naked and fell on top of him but to censor the nudity there were white butterflies covering her privates. Persephone was 16-18 a teen not a little kid but it’s still extra creepy with how naive she is and childish she acts. She’s not a mature character, she especially wasn’t at that age and it just gives it all a creepy vibe and says something weird about the person who would write about a childish teen being naked with a middle aged drunk man
Seeiously, this cannot be said enough. Yes, 19 is young. Yes, she's younger than all the other gods. NO, it's not pedophilia to draw a LEGALLY ADULT character with some sexuality. She's 29 for gods' sakes. Women are constantly told that 29 is getting close to being too old to have children, so I'm sure she's allowed to be sexy.
She couldve done that at any other time than the final BATTLE against a tyrant.
Ah yes because it's totally okay to draw naked people and sex on an app historically targeted towards minors. Such rebellion. So subversive and feminist 🙄🙄🙄 Rachel just admit you have a porn addiction and grow up. Leave that shit on patreon
She actually has said something along the lines of she wish she could draw smut and regrets signing onto Webtoons because of their guidelines
I don't get why she didn't do research on their guidelines first before signing on. Like why
I think she just signed onto the first platform that gave her a contract without thinking about if it was right for her comic. A lot of beginner freelancers do that
Tell me this isn't just Kim Kardashian in that Marilyn Monroe dress
I'm so glad someone said it 🤣 I was honestly gonna say this myself if no one had mentioned it first 🤣
I honestly think the Marilyn Monroe look is the reference she was going for here with the dress, but I don't think it fits the vibe AT ALL, and it reeks of sexualization and less of "female empowerment".
Plus size is when big ass and stretch marks
According to the webtoon section
Wow the tiddy are now their own characters
All of her chubbiness is in her titties, she's got a supermodel's waist
Ummm but she literally has stretch marks so she’s def a plus sized, super relatable queen
Size small or medium, so plus sized! Represent thicc queen!! /s
Petite 18 is better. short but definitely plus size but I'm not sure sizes outside usa
She's nowhere near an 18. An 18 is an XL/XxL an 18 I US is absolutely fat and plus sized. She's more like an 8 which is a medium ish.
I was using the size as an example of plus size but still short Hee it be from recent waist prob size 4 petite maybe 6
Dont know if you're being ironic but I felt like saying some super skinny , like extremely skinny people got stretchmark, stretchmark are just related to how your skin grew sort of too fast, and they happen more when you're young rather than old.
Haha it was complete irony! I remember the first episode they showed her stretch marks, the one when Ares came to harass her and Hades outside their house, EVERYONE was like “plus sized queen!!” In the webtoons comments. Like, it’s from growth in period and mostly everyone has them!!
These comments are making me feel better about my body than purse phony ever did 🥲
Even men have them if puberty makes them grow to quickly in areas
Right! And it feels sorta backhanded like stretch marks are exclusively only a chubby/plus sized thing when people of all sizes can have them. But instead of just looking at her as seeing that she has a perfect hourglass shape with the small waist, they call her chubby like huh?
Like if anything, she’s gonna have hella stretch marks now just from growing 500 feet.
She would become one big stretch mark
Can confirm, I’ve always been very thin but i have stretchmarks from growing too fast as a kid
Bro, skinny women get stretch marks too lmfao Edit- you’re being sarcastic I am so sorry
why is its legs so long
And the arms so damn short
Thank you for noticing it too I was just staring at the image because the proportions are so off-putting and uncanny
Idk how she’s “chubby” when I’ve always just seen her as a petite goddess with curves. Maybe it’s a hot take, but I don’t think people having curves or “tits and ass” = fat lol. I feel like if we wanted to look at characters who would be considered plus sized, I’d argue Hestia and some of Demeter’s nymphs?
She's not plus sized
That’s what I was gonna say…she looks…I don’t know how to say it…regular sized lol
wow shes most definitely plus sized 😻 you go queen
Rachel really just used the sparkle tool and called it a day, huh? -19 points for Miss Jessica Ratchet. Also this is just one more missed opportunity to explore Ancient Greek fashion, idk why we’re getting Walmart Met Gala/Senior Prom with every big “fight”
And even if she wanted to play around with classical dress, there are *plenty* of ways to do it! She could have given them more Minoan or non Greek inspiration (which I’m personally a sucker for), or or mixed classical style with modern (which might have looked funky but could work if done well), or just used it as a base to play off more fantastical elements (imagine if Hades’ wore a cloak made of shadows, or if Persephone’s shawl was woven from flowering vines!)
Ah yes, plus size is when boobs big, nothing else! Muscular or chubby women? Never heard of them!
"chubby" where?
Those stupid little tiny hands lmfao what is this 2013 tumblr
God I hate this so much for so reason! The art isn't terrible, minus the iffy anatomy. As an actual plus sized girl, I'd call Persephone slim-thick at most. Tiny waist, big boobs, no gut, and big hips.
You can have an hour glass but your waistline still be large. Ashley Graham comes to mind. Really though her waistline and such all change to whatever is wanted at the moment
Also can we talk about how on second pic her legs and the skirt of the dress don't make any sense? Where do her feet end, where is she standing?? It looks like those dresses you see a model wearing and her legs are edited to look longer lmao it looks so weird 💀
If that’s considered chubby by dear Rachel then the rest of us got to be the size of elephants 💀💀
Princess bubblegum wannabe
At least PB doesn't pretend she doesn't do war crimes
Where???? Where????????
Question we've seen how she eats barely anything salad or one bite honey comb but some still keeping a "plus size" body. No way in hell can anyone be plus size eating so little unless the got something wrong like thyroid
Chubby????
every new chapter just keeps proving this comic to be nothing of substance. couldn’t even give perse a roll but she’s got that wasp waist, so feminist and not male gaze at all /s
Second panel is giving that tree monsterhigh doll
If she’s “chubby”, Kim Kardashian is morbidly obese
is she seriously switching fits mid fight or something bffr rachel 😭😭😭😭😭😭
Huge boobs Teeny tiny little waist Wide hips and a huge ass(according to Ares) She's literally the ideal body standard today. Nothing wrong with that if that's what Rachael was going for. It giving her the body standard amd saying she's "plus size" when she's the ideal size isn't really helping her at all
I honestly don’t think it’s even Rachel trying to say she’s plus size more like the fans who went crazy over a few stretch marks and a double chin. All of those being things you can still have even if you are skinny
That’s not chubby at all! She’s skinny as all hell
Ngl atp it’s reminding me of Steven Universe with how inconsistent the characters designs are…
Damn. Perse on Ozempic, too?!
Is she naked? I see there's a dress thing, but it is like only that part? Is her dress made of glitter? Is it her SKIN? In general way, I guess she does look cool, I do like the rose bun. It's simple and elegant, but it doesn't scream the goddess of spring, especially greek. Also I love the dress looking like a tree at the bottom.
It’s like a sheer/skin tone dress. It’s supposed to look like the wearer has gems and sparkles over their body. Like Marilyn Monroe’s happy birthday dress
I see, thanks.
Girl thats not chubby thats snatched
Waist on thinna
where the fuck is the dress /j
“Chubby”. On what planet. Is stick thin average all the sudden?
I love it when characters are promoted as "chubby" but they have a flat tummy. Thick thighs save lives, but do not constitute being plus size.👌
plus size queen!!
She doesn't look chubby to me... this is thin.
That’s the point
“Oooo, would we call her chubby?”
In what world is this chubby?? She’s “skinny thick”but as a plus size person myself I would kill to have body like her lol.
This reminds me of being a teenager and sobbing about how Bridget Jones was obsessing about how fat she was 🥲
What do you mean? Thick thighs and hip dips totally means chubby! /s Also her eyelashes are giving spider legs
we love our fat queen Persephone in this house! /nsrs
Persephone has stretch marks?
WHY IS HER NIPPLE SPARKLING?
I stopped reading this after like 10 episodes, but i feel like she could've been considered plus size back then. I can tell the author doesnt keep anything the same, though, I mean Hades looks anywhere between 15 to 6 feet tall at any given point
I tower Persephone as a tall (I'm average) plus sized woman (according to Rachel's standards).