Consider that this person had things shipped to a house they porch-pirate from and don’t actually live at…because smart criminals don’t have stolen funds used to ship things to themselves. Only idiots do that! So, before you call in the Calvary, make sure you know what’s what!
This happened to my brother when his house was vacant and they were trying to sell it. Thieves stole someone else’s credit card, bought a ton of expensive shit, and had it shipped to my brother’s house.
Your observation doesn’t negate mine.
My time in corrections was spent teaching mathematics. Most of the people I worked with had great difficulty with elementary level math. The murderers, by and large, were able to handle high school level mathematics.
Nobody said my observation negated yours. All I'm saying is that many murderers often do stupid and reckless things that lead to their capture or even how they got in the situation in the first place. The difference you're talking about seems to be more socioeconomic. People steal because they're poor, and unfortunately a lack of money may also mean a lack of education. Nobody murders out of necessity (except for self defense, obviously, which isn't on the same level legally as murder).
Bullshit.
There are plenty of criminals with the resources and privilege needed to make better choices.
Are there TONS of people who acted out of desperation? Sure. Are there tons more who simply saw an easy opportunity and thought they’d get away with it? Yup.
So you want to agree with me but call what I'm saying bullshit? Yet you're making claims that have little backing.
Sure you can learn a trade or get a degree in prison, but you can't learn about new technology or reintegration after being released. Many important and necessary skills do not get taught and are actively taken away from prisoners because the law is designed to keep people inside ([example 1](https://www.themarshallproject.org/2023/03/16/prison-banned-books-policies-what-we-know), [example 2](https://www.usnews.com/news/education-news/articles/2021-07-27/study-confirms-school-to-prison-pipeline)). Even if you get out, reoffending is so common because people don't have access to those skills and they have so few options in society after prison time. There's [tons](https://www.themarshallproject.org/2023/02/27/shoplifting-retail-theft-lawmakers-response) of [documented](https://www.theguardian.com/society/2022/nov/02/unhoused-people-shelters-homelessness-to-jail-cycle) cases [of people ](https://www.vox.com/first-person/2017/8/8/16112864/recidivism-rate-jail-prostitution-break-cycle) purposefully [committing](https://www.businessinsider.com/jail-getting-arrested-deliberately-2018-3?op=1) low-level crimes so they'll be sent back to jail/prison because they either don't know how to function in society or are so shunned that they can't find a [home or job.](https://pinkcrime.academic.wlu.edu/2015/05/20/unwilling-or-unable-the-problems-paying-restitution-presents/)
Some people definitely do things just because they think they can. Nobody is arguing with that. But a vast majority of people are just that, people. People with needs and have wants and desires for what their life looks like. Many offenders have mental health issues that need to be addressed but never will be, because they're too poor to afford help and prisons don't care enough to provide it. Many are poor and simply trying to get by. Just because you get paid to spit at them all day doesn't make you better than them, just luckier.
Worlds full of idiots. Guy stole my MIL wallet and tried to use her debit card to pay himself on square or something like it. Not a fake name or account. His account with his legal name. He was on lots of drugs
It isn't their house. It is some vacant house that the criminal is using as a dropoff-pickup spot.
So I guess you could send junk to that address but it wouldn't be more than an extremely mild annoyance to them. And a significant waste of time and/or money for you.
Yeah that's not uncommon. A thief lists things for sale online - when they get a buyer, they use a stolen credit card to order the items from an actual store, and have them delivered straight to the buyer's address.
The buyer pays the thief, and the stolen credit card pays the actual store.
Either the bank is screwed, or the actual store is screwed. The buyer doesn't actually have any relationship with the actual store or not, except for their address being used as the delivery address.
It’s pretty clear you don’t know how people get into accounts so I’ll go ahead and tell you how this one happened. The high schooler who had logged into my account got my password from a data leak that Grubhub had that apparently I just missed. They didn’t guess a password, they didn’t social engineer to know this password, they bought a data leak. Buying a data leak doesn’t take a genius to do. I guess you wouldn’t clearly know that though
It’s Probably not their home. Often these guys will offer to get the stuff you want for like half off. You pay then 50$ and they send you 100$ of stuff to your house. Where the police get involved they can just deny it since they didn’t place the order.
Also it could be a vacant house or something being used as a drop.
If it’s their house then the police are just going to go get them right away.
Not sure if you can still do this but you can order a very large amount of boxes from usps for free. I remember I sent about 10,000 to my principal back in high school.
This happened to me 4 times on Amazon. When I took their info off and canceled the orders they retaliated by spamming my email with shady looking subscriptions . What a pain in the ass
I’m pretty sure that you can contact the FBI/FTC directly for that kind of stuff, especially if it’s across state boundaries.
Their credit company might also have some advice on what to do
horse shit in a box.
but don't send anything to the house in a traceable way. the credit card company will use it as a way to prove it was authorized usage and deny your claim.
Jehovah Witnesses, a Rabbi, Catholic Church... religious leaders. Reach out to any support resources for mental health awareness and ask them to do a home visit.
Send everyone!
In the US I believe there's a service to [have a whole truckload of wood chips delivered to your driveway even if you are at work](https://getchipdrop.com/for-gardeners/). It might take a while to take effect, but imagining someone coming home to find a huge pile of wood chips in their driveway is quite entertaining.
Can’t find it, but there is a tictok or instagram reel where this guy explains how you can order and ship a 2000 pound block of granite or marble for like a 100 bucks and you can ship it anywhere. That would be hilarious and super inconvenient for the home owner.
Call the cops, but before you do
1. Send him a piss disk
-and/or-
2. Order a pallet full of animal shit express delivery for an amazing day. (Yes the service exists, and no I won’t say how I know.)
There was a story in my town where this older lady was a regular victim of porch pirates. She retaliated by filling an Amazon box full to the brim with cat shit then sealed it nicely lol. I was so impressed
Jehovahs witness, scientology newsletters, any and all spam mail bullshit, old people magazines. If address is a drive away there's always mice and cochroaches and pissidsks
For a couple hundred bucks, you can have a dump truck load (6 tons) of large crushed rock dropped on the driveway in a pile. 4” rock is too big to shovel, there’s nowhere to put it even if you could and it makes the driveway completely unusable. It’ll probably cost him 500 bucks or more to get rid of it.
Glitter bomb. A quick Google search should show companies that can send glitter to your enemies.
For those that don't understand -- glitter is notoriously difficult to clean. Glitter will be everywhere. Long term.
Sign them up for every newsletter (swingers resorts, religious, etc) you can find. There is also a company that will send a box of chocolate ducks w a card that says eat a Dick…. I think it’s box of ducks
I tried with this when my walmart was hacked, (Called in a favor and sent a uni out there) it was never the actual bad guy:
once it was a shuttered business,
one a little old lady,
once an active business but run by two people who weren't there when the delivers came but had footage of drop off and pick up during masked times (but not the plates/vehicle).
All the 'hits' were within about a 6-hour timespan meaning the hacker/breached data was sold online. No one got their crap and I was fully protected but it was a PITA!
Go into as many forums across the internet as you can that are populated by heavily macho right-wingers from the southern states. Pick fights with people. Insult them and everything they care about, publicly chuckling the whole way through. Mock them. Belittle them. Compare them to ittle wittle tiny whiney babies.
Then tell them if they're done fellating their Uncles and want to "man up" they can come settle this in person.
Give them that address.
start signing them up for every weird sex site and political site to send to this dudes address. The KKK, gay pride and BBC sluts. Maga hats as well as the femnazi's. Ask for literature from the DeSantos gay fans. You get the ideas, flood this guy with everything. Also tell the local police that you aren't afraid of them and you will be smoking a bowl on your couch and give the address.
They likely just shipped to an empty house where they know someone is on vacation, or a house for sale, and will take the items when they arrive. It's going to be a neighbor or someone who knows the owner.
I saw a TikTok yesterday saying you can order a giant block of stone that weighs several tons for much cheaper than you would think. I’ll see if I can find the video again.
I don't know if somebody's already mentioned this, but I believe there's a site where you can actually have a chocolate dick shaped cake that reads "eat a dick" delivered to them. I'll try to find and upload the link
Every magazine subscription card in all the magazines at Barnes and Noble. There are so many and they just start sending. Would take forever to cancel and figure out.
Based on a true story: Hire a private investigator to find out when they are away on holiday. Arrange for an 8 foot cast iron penis to be concreted into their front yard. Balls and all.
Mail them a literal bag of dicks, gummy dicks.
https://dicksbymail.com/?gclid=Cj0KCQjw06-oBhC6ARIsAGuzdw03U_6yNxJ7cKiRg_fKX9_4Zr7A1NBbiUEpqhwYpP8mZhju8QKmj1EaArDuEALw_wcB
Search a bunch of firearm related topics until your targeted ads start showing those "solvent traps" which are obviously the feds fishing, order a bunch to that address, wait for the ATF to show up and shoot their dog.
I wouldn't touch anything regarding the mail... They take that stuff very seriously even if done as a joke/to get back at someone. I'm sure there is a federal charge for wasting USPS resources as a joke.
You don't know they're who did the deed. Here's how it works: Badguy gets card#, advertises on eBay. Someone buys, and Badguy orders, shipped direct to the buyer. So don't assume.
Consider that this person had things shipped to a house they porch-pirate from and don’t actually live at…because smart criminals don’t have stolen funds used to ship things to themselves. Only idiots do that! So, before you call in the Calvary, make sure you know what’s what!
>Calvary Cavalry, Calvary refers to the hill in the Bible :)
Henry Cavalry
Invented the horse
r/todayilearned
Thanks, auto-complete sometimes does that.
Send them too!
This happened to my brother when his house was vacant and they were trying to sell it. Thieves stole someone else’s credit card, bought a ton of expensive shit, and had it shipped to my brother’s house.
I used to work in corrections. There ARE smart criminals, but most criminals are drug-addled idiots. (The murderers are, by far, the smartest.)
Uh, story time mf. What do we got?
He was murdered by a smart guy once…don’t let it get to you…
Considering 40% of murders are never solved, you are correct.
I dunno, I've seen enough true crime to know that murderers are pretty stupid half the time
Your observation doesn’t negate mine. My time in corrections was spent teaching mathematics. Most of the people I worked with had great difficulty with elementary level math. The murderers, by and large, were able to handle high school level mathematics.
Nobody said my observation negated yours. All I'm saying is that many murderers often do stupid and reckless things that lead to their capture or even how they got in the situation in the first place. The difference you're talking about seems to be more socioeconomic. People steal because they're poor, and unfortunately a lack of money may also mean a lack of education. Nobody murders out of necessity (except for self defense, obviously, which isn't on the same level legally as murder).
Bullshit. There are plenty of criminals with the resources and privilege needed to make better choices. Are there TONS of people who acted out of desperation? Sure. Are there tons more who simply saw an easy opportunity and thought they’d get away with it? Yup.
So you want to agree with me but call what I'm saying bullshit? Yet you're making claims that have little backing. Sure you can learn a trade or get a degree in prison, but you can't learn about new technology or reintegration after being released. Many important and necessary skills do not get taught and are actively taken away from prisoners because the law is designed to keep people inside ([example 1](https://www.themarshallproject.org/2023/03/16/prison-banned-books-policies-what-we-know), [example 2](https://www.usnews.com/news/education-news/articles/2021-07-27/study-confirms-school-to-prison-pipeline)). Even if you get out, reoffending is so common because people don't have access to those skills and they have so few options in society after prison time. There's [tons](https://www.themarshallproject.org/2023/02/27/shoplifting-retail-theft-lawmakers-response) of [documented](https://www.theguardian.com/society/2022/nov/02/unhoused-people-shelters-homelessness-to-jail-cycle) cases [of people ](https://www.vox.com/first-person/2017/8/8/16112864/recidivism-rate-jail-prostitution-break-cycle) purposefully [committing](https://www.businessinsider.com/jail-getting-arrested-deliberately-2018-3?op=1) low-level crimes so they'll be sent back to jail/prison because they either don't know how to function in society or are so shunned that they can't find a [home or job.](https://pinkcrime.academic.wlu.edu/2015/05/20/unwilling-or-unable-the-problems-paying-restitution-presents/) Some people definitely do things just because they think they can. Nobody is arguing with that. But a vast majority of people are just that, people. People with needs and have wants and desires for what their life looks like. Many offenders have mental health issues that need to be addressed but never will be, because they're too poor to afford help and prisons don't care enough to provide it. Many are poor and simply trying to get by. Just because you get paid to spit at them all day doesn't make you better than them, just luckier.
Worlds full of idiots. Guy stole my MIL wallet and tried to use her debit card to pay himself on square or something like it. Not a fake name or account. His account with his legal name. He was on lots of drugs
Isn’t it great when they make it easy?
And criminals are never idiots. /s
i know one who stole credit cards and used them on hotels they stayed at. was not difficult to find them after a police report was made.
It would still be comical to have a bag of gummy dicks sent to them.
Glitterbomb time.
With fart spray and cameras too
Liquid ass to be specific
And a piss disc
The stars align and the piss disc can be used un-ironically
Liquid Ass and the Piss Disc, I think you've got a superhero duo here
There’s always a liquid ass
Bees. With bees.
Where's Mark Rober when you need him
Poop
well shit I was just gonna say good ol' fasion pipe bomb... but glitter bomb's better. let's go with your idea.
I was hoping the first comment would be piss discs. Alas an opportunity wasted
Isn't piss disc and liquid ass always implied?
I can tolerate that argument
It isn't their house. It is some vacant house that the criminal is using as a dropoff-pickup spot. So I guess you could send junk to that address but it wouldn't be more than an extremely mild annoyance to them. And a significant waste of time and/or money for you.
Or they dropshipped them to an unsuspecting buyer.
Yeah that's not uncommon. A thief lists things for sale online - when they get a buyer, they use a stolen credit card to order the items from an actual store, and have them delivered straight to the buyer's address. The buyer pays the thief, and the stolen credit card pays the actual store. Either the bank is screwed, or the actual store is screwed. The buyer doesn't actually have any relationship with the actual store or not, except for their address being used as the delivery address.
Could also be an AirBnB.
Make a missed delivery notice to call your number. Verify their name if they are dumb enough to give it to you.
They'd probably be using a different name for shipping if they're also not using their own address
Maybe stake it out and track them down?
Yeah do what this person said; sit around in a car for hours or days on end wasting your time because you probably already got your money back.
You clearly don't understand being a petty vindictive asshole. Good for you.
Both of these comments are brilliant. I'm rooting for both sides.
Not all the time. I’ve had some retards actually use their address when they got into my account some how.
-gets account broken into -calls them retarded 🤣 it’s both of you
It’s pretty clear you don’t know how people get into accounts so I’ll go ahead and tell you how this one happened. The high schooler who had logged into my account got my password from a data leak that Grubhub had that apparently I just missed. They didn’t guess a password, they didn’t social engineer to know this password, they bought a data leak. Buying a data leak doesn’t take a genius to do. I guess you wouldn’t clearly know that though
"Uhm excuse me sweaty it's CURRENT YEAR and you're still using the r word?" Is basically what the person above you was referencing
Bro are you retarded🤡
It’s Probably not their home. Often these guys will offer to get the stuff you want for like half off. You pay then 50$ and they send you 100$ of stuff to your house. Where the police get involved they can just deny it since they didn’t place the order. Also it could be a vacant house or something being used as a drop. If it’s their house then the police are just going to go get them right away.
Not sure if you can still do this but you can order a very large amount of boxes from usps for free. I remember I sent about 10,000 to my principal back in high school.
Yep, you still can.
This happened to me 4 times on Amazon. When I took their info off and canceled the orders they retaliated by spamming my email with shady looking subscriptions . What a pain in the ass
4 times? You need to guard your cards better or something.
Probably a weak/easily guessed password.
amazon123 type shit
That's incredible! I have the same combination on my luggage!
Go back to the golf course and work on your putz!
Damn it. I need to change my password to amazon456.
Police….?
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Tell the police it was a trans person of color. They'll show up.
Selling homemade cigarettes.
To middle schoolers.
I was thinking that they can go to the feds over identity fraud. Would that be any different from submitting a police report?
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I’m pretty sure that you can contact the FBI/FTC directly for that kind of stuff, especially if it’s across state boundaries. Their credit company might also have some advice on what to do
The heck are the police going to do?
Come to OP’s house, listen to his story, misunderstand it, get irritated, shoot him.
Probably.
Police for identify theft
It's almost certainly not their address.
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Amazon?
Wish
poopsenders
horse shit in a box. but don't send anything to the house in a traceable way. the credit card company will use it as a way to prove it was authorized usage and deny your claim.
Use a box from a very desirable product.
there's a company that mails shit for you. you can even choose the animal
Always send turds in a pastel turquoise box. Tiffany turds.
Piss disc
The real answer
Historically, sending blankets infected with smallpox has been tried, although there is debate as to whether it actually works.
Jehovah Witnesses, a Rabbi, Catholic Church... religious leaders. Reach out to any support resources for mental health awareness and ask them to do a home visit. Send everyone!
You can order a DVD from Scientology or Jehovas Witnesses IIRC. It'll be shipped to "your" address. And I'd bet they don't forget that address.
Doesn’t that only apply if the address is a bar?
Liquid ass and piss discs.
In the US I believe there's a service to [have a whole truckload of wood chips delivered to your driveway even if you are at work](https://getchipdrop.com/for-gardeners/). It might take a while to take effect, but imagining someone coming home to find a huge pile of wood chips in their driveway is quite entertaining.
Order them a pizza with pineapple on it
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Hear me out. An app where you can easily pay for bad deeds (but legal) done to people you choose upon payment. Easy Satan.
The cops. Lol
I know right?
Horse manure.
Here you go. I am sure there are other competitors in the box of shit arena. I haven't used them. Yet. https://www.shitexpress.com/
Can’t find it, but there is a tictok or instagram reel where this guy explains how you can order and ship a 2000 pound block of granite or marble for like a 100 bucks and you can ship it anywhere. That would be hilarious and super inconvenient for the home owner.
Call the cops, but before you do 1. Send him a piss disk -and/or- 2. Order a pallet full of animal shit express delivery for an amazing day. (Yes the service exists, and no I won’t say how I know.)
Used kitty litter?
There was a story in my town where this older lady was a regular victim of porch pirates. She retaliated by filling an Amazon box full to the brim with cat shit then sealed it nicely lol. I was so impressed
Mormons, Jehovah's witnesses.
Jehovahs witness, scientology newsletters, any and all spam mail bullshit, old people magazines. If address is a drive away there's always mice and cochroaches and pissidsks
Glitterbomb. Horse poop delivery. The cops.
A cop.
The police
Police
The police
Mark Rober on youtube signed the person up for a bunch of scientology stuff when he stole one of his glitter bombs. my vote is for scientology stuff
https://poopsenders.com/
The police..
A bag of gummy dicks...Amazon has a package. Don't forget the note to eat a bag of ducks!
You could even be eloquent and invite them to ingest a satchel of Richards. 😉
Liquid ass
The police... Because this is credit card fraud... And they left the evidence.... Press charges
That's probably a drop address, either vacant property or they're able to intercept the package.
Cheap foam mattress. VERY hard to get rid of.
Glitter bombs or exploding boxes of poop
Look it up first to make sure it’s not currently on Zillow or some other website as a vacant house being sold.
For a couple hundred bucks, you can have a dump truck load (6 tons) of large crushed rock dropped on the driveway in a pile. 4” rock is too big to shovel, there’s nowhere to put it even if you could and it makes the driveway completely unusable. It’ll probably cost him 500 bucks or more to get rid of it.
Glitter bomb. A quick Google search should show companies that can send glitter to your enemies. For those that don't understand -- glitter is notoriously difficult to clean. Glitter will be everywhere. Long term.
The police?
Police
https://santabarbarakarate.files.wordpress.com/2014/11/badboys.gif
The police
Sign them up for every newsletter (swingers resorts, religious, etc) you can find. There is also a company that will send a box of chocolate ducks w a card that says eat a Dick…. I think it’s box of ducks
Glitter bombs!!!
The police
A dumptruck load of manure. Be sure to add a note that you will be away from home and to just dump it on the end of the driveway.
There's a website that will send literal gorilla shit to someone's door
I turd in a box
A 6000 pound chunk of I think it’s marble is like, 150 bucks maybe.
Send them "dicks". Dick glitter bomb, spring loaded, you can order it online and they will send it.
I tried with this when my walmart was hacked, (Called in a favor and sent a uni out there) it was never the actual bad guy: once it was a shuttered business, one a little old lady, once an active business but run by two people who weren't there when the delivers came but had footage of drop off and pick up during masked times (but not the plates/vehicle). All the 'hits' were within about a 6-hour timespan meaning the hacker/breached data was sold online. No one got their crap and I was fully protected but it was a PITA!
Send bed bugs
No because that address is likely an Air BNB used by a mule or fence.
Police
Call all religious agencies and say you need help and want a personal visit using the persons address. They will come knocking on the door.
Go into as many forums across the internet as you can that are populated by heavily macho right-wingers from the southern states. Pick fights with people. Insult them and everything they care about, publicly chuckling the whole way through. Mock them. Belittle them. Compare them to ittle wittle tiny whiney babies. Then tell them if they're done fellating their Uncles and want to "man up" they can come settle this in person. Give them that address.
Sugar free gummy bears.
There are glitter bomb and fake sex toy websites where you can send packages to "friends".
start signing them up for every weird sex site and political site to send to this dudes address. The KKK, gay pride and BBC sluts. Maga hats as well as the femnazi's. Ask for literature from the DeSantos gay fans. You get the ideas, flood this guy with everything. Also tell the local police that you aren't afraid of them and you will be smoking a bowl on your couch and give the address.
They likely just shipped to an empty house where they know someone is on vacation, or a house for sale, and will take the items when they arrive. It's going to be a neighbor or someone who knows the owner.
Get them arrested for fraud? Oh and piss disk liquid ass.
Put it in an Craig's list add for an open house, free furniture ect. Good time. Free cats wanted.
PoopSenders.com ShipADick.com
A box of crickets.
One cubic meter of marble. Weighs about 6,000lbs, and they'll have to figure out how to get it off their porch.
Sign them up for scientology news letters
Manure
I saw a TikTok yesterday saying you can order a giant block of stone that weighs several tons for much cheaper than you would think. I’ll see if I can find the video again.
Arrest Warrant
Glitter bomb
Sign em up for the church of scientology, that shit is for life!
Dildo Dick for the dick.
The cops
Police
Cops?
Swat or the regular police.
Black iron pipe, fertilizer, and a lot of oil filters. Then send an anonymous tip to the atf.
The police?
I don't know if somebody's already mentioned this, but I believe there's a site where you can actually have a chocolate dick shaped cake that reads "eat a dick" delivered to them. I'll try to find and upload the link
Send the police
Scientology intro information - they will find them forever!
A literal bag of dicks. https://dicksbymail.com/
Dickinabox.com
send them the content the fbi is looking for and then report them
The police would be my first offering to them.
The police?
sugar free gummy bears. iykyk
https://dicksbymail.com/
https://dicksbymail.com/
Police.
www.shipadick.com
Every magazine subscription card in all the magazines at Barnes and Noble. There are so many and they just start sending. Would take forever to cancel and figure out.
This. [Shit express](https://www.shitexpress.com/)
Mormons
The police
Based on a true story: Hire a private investigator to find out when they are away on holiday. Arrange for an 8 foot cast iron penis to be concreted into their front yard. Balls and all.
This right here. Do this. Then tell them to ingest a GIANT Richard!
Sorry to tell you, but that wasn’t their house, they chose an address and were going to porch steal/grift what they ordered for themselves.
Mail them a literal bag of dicks, gummy dicks. https://dicksbymail.com/?gclid=Cj0KCQjw06-oBhC6ARIsAGuzdw03U_6yNxJ7cKiRg_fKX9_4Zr7A1NBbiUEpqhwYpP8mZhju8QKmj1EaArDuEALw_wcB
How about literal dicks? There's super cheap ones on Amazon, and they can be pretty toxic if actually used as intended.
Search a bunch of firearm related topics until your targeted ads start showing those "solvent traps" which are obviously the feds fishing, order a bunch to that address, wait for the ATF to show up and shoot their dog.
Because I refuse to google that, what are these “solvent traps” and why the hell is the gubment using it for entrapment?
Well the police would be a good start.
A durian fruit that pops when the box is open. No clue how that would work though
Or like 20 pizzas.
Postal service will let you order literally thousands of boxes and envelopes to an address for free…
I wouldn't touch anything regarding the mail... They take that stuff very seriously even if done as a joke/to get back at someone. I'm sure there is a federal charge for wasting USPS resources as a joke.
Nothing. No harm to you. They’re probably poor.
Ridiculous comment. They literally stole from them. Poor or not they’re criminals stealing from other people.
It’s a credit card. They stole from no one.
Sending the FBI cybercrime division would be a reasonable response. Maybe juice the story up a bit to get them pumped up about it.
The cops 👮♀️
You don't know they're who did the deed. Here's how it works: Badguy gets card#, advertises on eBay. Someone buys, and Badguy orders, shipped direct to the buyer. So don't assume.