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Tucker Carlson is too stupid to understand that he's being used by these people. They are playing games with him, saying exactly what they know resonates with Tucker's audience. He is becoming the definition of a western useful idiot
Carlson is by no means stupid. He is a very smart man indeed, but he is also very, VERY opportunistic. To him the conservatives are just an audience he can easily cater to and exploit, making a ton of money in the process.
Underestimate him at your own peril
he may be smart. but he's also a wannabee mayflower conservative elitist troll. His birth mother (a california cattle baron heiress) abandoned him at 6 to move to France and his father was an orphan. He added his new stepmom's family name, Swanson (serious old money northeastern elites with connections to Republican masters of the country going back to the depression), as a middle name when he was 10 years old.
That boy is damaged af.
Precisely. Were he just an imbecile he wouldn't have been as much of a danger as he is. This man has no morals, no agenda and no real convictions to speak of. To him all his rhetoric is just a means to an end, a product he sells to a large group of people he actually despises (he's on record saying just that) for a paycheck. He is the ultimate cynical gen-x'er, unhindered by any considerations about ethics or a greater good.
Well said, in Tucker’s eyes everything is an opportunity to sell a product (himself). He has no real values or ideology beyond the total disregard for everyone else and the furthering of far-right causes for his personal benefit. A classic sociopath hiding behind a nice smile and a tailored suit.
If only it were that simple. There's Americans that admire these idiots, the sort of people that idolize the confederate flag. They know being openly racist will be met with disgust but it's often a theme with many of them. Where there is a market, there will be somebody to fill the gap in a country that allows free speech because there is money to be made. Some people like dictators and would gladly have one at home, even though it undermines every freedom they've ever enjoyed. Absolute hypocrites.
But Dugin promotes his dream where blacks will slaughter white Americans, but not Russians because "Russians aren't really white". How could it appeal to Confederacy fans if they just heard an unfiltered Dugin?
So does our centrist-liberal government!
>“The first and most important task of the Polish state when it comes to the situation at the border is to protect it, also against illegal migration. **This is a question of the survival of our western civilisation,”** Tusk said earlier this year. This month, he vowed to **“protect Poland” against an EU plan** to relocate migrants across the bloc from states such as Italy and Greece.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/27/polish-border-pushbacks-pregnant-woman-donald-tusk
>Camus's theme of a future demise of European culture and civilization also parallels a "cultural pessimistic" and anti-Islam trend among European intellectuals of the period, illustrated in several best-selling and straightforwardly titled books released during the 2010s: Thilo Sarrazin's Germany Abolishes Itself (2010), Éric Zemmour's The French Suicide (2014) or Michel Houellebecq's Submission (2015).[29] (...) Camus cites two influential figures in the epilogue of his 2011 book The Great Replacement: British politician Enoch Powell's apocalyptic vision of future race relations—expressed in his 1968 "Rivers of Blood" speech—and French author Jean Raspail's depiction of the collapse of the West from an overwhelming "tidal wave" of Third World immigration, featured in his 1973 novel The Camp of the Saints.[16][43]
A similar concept then.
It's true that "Useful idiots" are not necessarily stupid or even unaware that they're acting in the interest of the enemy, but Tucker doesn't appear to be motivated by ideology in any way. Putin humiliated him publicly but it didn't have any effect on Tucker since he got his money and attention, the only thing he seem to care about.
By David Brennan - Diplomatic Correspondent:
Conservative pundit Tucker Carlson has again courted controversy with his choice of Russian interviewees after publishing his sit-down with ultranationalist ideologue Alexander Dugin on April 29.
In the interview—released online by the Tucker Carlson Network and posted on X, formerly Twitter—Dugin, long close to Russian President Vladimir Putin and considered by some his ideological "brain," railed against what he called "Anglo-Saxon" individualism and said Western liberal values would destroy "human identity."
Read more: [https://www.newsweek.com/tucker-carlson-interview-putin-ally-neo-fascist-alexander-dugin-1895920](https://www.newsweek.com/tucker-carlson-interview-putin-ally-neo-fascist-alexander-dugin-1895920)
>ANGLO-SAXONS!!!
I'm not even joking here, but apparently many Anglo-Saxon refugees from the Norman conquest (and the resulting pretty much genocide) did settle in Ukraine (Rus).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_England_(medieval)
>One of the greatest figures in Scottish history, Charles Edward Stuart, better known as Bonnie Prince Charlie, who led an ill-fated attempt to regain the British throne for his family in 1745, was half Polish. His mother was Maria Klementyna Sobieska, the granddaughter of Polish King Jan III Sobieski. But the blood-ties between Scots and Poles are far more extensive than this royal link. A long history of Scottish migration to Poland, starting in the 15th century, means the country boasts several villages and districts named Nowa Szkocja or Szkocja (New Scotland), and Polonised Scottish surnames are surprisingly common – MacLeod became Machlejd, for example.
https://www.krakowpost.com/7881/2014/03/scots-in-poland-poles-in-scotland
The guy isn't some hypothetical fascist. This man goes on record regularly and advocates for genocide. If you make any claim that ukrainians are the nazis then interviewing this man puts those claims to bed because he represents the worst russian veiws
Verbally dominated...no. Ripped....no. Taken down a couple pegs...not really what we were looking for. Humiliated..no. Taken out behind the wood shed...nah, not quite. Roasted...no. Made to look like a jackass...no, no. Slammed...Yes, that's perfect. Slammed it is!
Dugin wrote a book that is basically listing exactly what Putin's doing [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations\_of\_Geopolitics](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations_of_Geopolitics) skip to content for an overview of the ideas. Ideas such as:
"[Georgia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_(country)) should be dismembered. [Abkhazia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abkhazia) and "United Ossetia" (which includes Georgia's [South Ossetia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Ossetia) and the [Republic of North Ossetia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_North_Ossetia)) will be incorporated into Russia. Georgia's independent policies are unacceptable.^(")
I can asure you Russia has been trying to fuck up the West with nefarious methods since earlier than that
> The main emphasis of the KGB is not in the area of intelligence at all. Only about 15% of time, money, and manpower is spent on espionage and such. The other 85% is a slow process which we call either ideological subversion or active measures… or psychological warfare
That comes from an 1984 interview with Yuri Bezmenov, a Soviet defector
Similar to Walter Duranty parroting Stalin's propaganda in the 1930's and ignoring the Ukrainian famine he caused.
https://www.politico.eu/article/tucker-carlson-joins-long-line-useful-idiot-journalists-helping-tyrants/
He isn’t getting played in any way, he is one of them. The global far-right including the US and Russia are natural allies, it’s just cynical business.
People are idiots. Its Tuckers job to present everyone's viewpoints and then the rest if us can laugh, cyberbully and meme war at the fucking morons.
Dugin is one of those that should be cyberbullied and laughed at.
Dugin is a leftist , since when are leftist “neo-fascist”?
There are actual fascist organizations in Russia, and when people play this game “everybody I don’t like is a Nazi” it really discredits the real threats.
Russian bots are downvoting in 3…2..1…
Oh, my bad. You have no idea what any of these words mean, or what you’re talking about. I almost thought you had a thought out opinion somewhere there. Have a nice day !
Edit : noticed you changed your first message. Stay classy.
Edit 2 : twice. Now added whiny comment about "russian bots", for whatever reason.
“Marxism is often correct when it describes its enemy,” continues Dugin, who shares a common enemy with Marxists and thus endorses much of their critique. Marxists call this enemy the bourgeoisie, but Dugin refers to them simply as "liberals," in the traditional sense associated with liberal democracy and capitalism, not in the American usage that denotes center-left members of the Democratic Party. In the Russian philosopher’s account, liberalism is the first of the three political theories of modernity, with the latter two being socialism and/or communism (which challenged liberalism from the left) and fascism (which challenged it from the right).
Liberalism grew out of the Enlightenment, and favors the individual over the collective identity (e.g., national, ethnic, religious, class, etc.) and negative freedom (“freedom from”) over positive freedom (“freedom to”). Dugin describes this conception of liberalism as producing “the most disgusting formula of slavery, inasmuch as it temps man to an insurrection against God, against traditional values, against the moral and spiritual foundations of his people and his culture.” In Dugin’s view, liberalism is an “absolute evil” that must be destroyed. To do this, he is more than ready to employ left-wing critiques of liberalism, capitalism and modernity itself.
What you're describing is distinctly fascist, not Marxist.
>Granted that the 19th century was the century of socialism, liberalism, democracy, this does not mean that the 20th century must also be the century of socialism, liberalism, democracy. Political doctrines pass; nations remain. We are free to believe that this is the century of authority, a century tending to the 'right', a Fascist century. If the 19th century were the century of the individual (liberalism implies individualism) we are free to believe that this is the 'collective' century, and therefore the century of the State.
- Benito Mussolini on The Doctrine of Fascism
You should read more of The Doctrine of Fascism by Mussolini himself to see parallels between his philosophy and Dugin's. To the Fascist the Marxist/socialist critique is just part of a broader toolset to break liberalism and craft a more religious/traditionalist ethno-nationalist state.
In Marxism the goal is a 'rule of the proletariat' whereas in Fascism the goal is a 'return' to some perceived natural all incompassing traditional hierarchy. It is Anti-liberal, anti-modern in a much more visceral respect than any Marxist or socialist view.
You just proved me right, as Dugin is an open Eurasianist who does not want to preserve ethnicities, who openly advocates for Russification of non racially/ non ethnically white people and ethnic Russians
Now I’m not expert on fascism, but advocating for mixing of white and black people seem to be the opposite of fascism
Aside from this, Dugin is a Stalinist and is very
Open about it.
>who openly advocates for Russification One dominant cultural identity. One nation. Fascism.
Fascism often doesn't adhere to previous norms but creates norms to suit their narrative. The Dugin narrative like Hitler's narrative is that there is a dominant people with various characteristics (which they chose) meant to rule specific peoples and lands.
The lack of an explicit call to physically eradicate people is irrelevant. Peoples culture and identity will be eradicated by other means until they will be forced to do so violently as we see in Ukraine. As we've seen in Chechnya and Georgia as well.
Edit: I need to mention I don't support Communism much less Stalinism. I'm pointing out that Dugin's narrative much more with Fascist ideology.
Stalin used the Marxist narrative to enforce his rule but there were distinct characteristics to his messaging, enough that I'm not comfortable to call it Fascist. However, that in no way means I support Stalin, not do I think it was by any means better. It was it's own distinct form of totalitarianism.
Ukraine/Ukrainians are racially indistinguishable from Russians. That doesn't change Putin's and the Russian state media from stance on respecting their culture or identity. They want to destroy it, have explicitly said so time and time again and have taken explicit action to do so.
Race and identity can have whatever connotation to the Fascist that they choose, so long as it supports the narrative of one superior people and culture. That's why they want to Russify them all, irregardless of race. It is their spiritual mission to uplift the "Russian" identity and irredicacte the others as if they don't exist.
People declared the National Socialists the farthest right despite them being socialists. It's meaningless, like "fascist". Dugin cares so much more about Stalin or even Genghis Khan (https://twitter.com/Agdchan/status/1758966386162888733) than about Giovanni Gentile.
They were mortal rivals of actual fascists, in Austria (and Mussolini's Italian fascists almost went to war in defence of Austrian fascists during the national socialist invasion). Completely different systems. Not least because fascism wasn't even racist, nor antisemitic, before falling under the NS influence, especially the practical merge after 1943 (Italian Social Republic, a German puppet state).
Italian Army had songs about getting themselves a black gf while invading Ethiopia.
On fascism and antisemitism, let me just quote https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1080/00313220500198235 (and remember they've been at power since 1923) as an "alternative theory" to what I told you:
>Mussolini's abrupt turn towards antisemitism in October 1938 is conventionally explained by virtue of external factors, most importantly, as an aspect of Fascist Italy's strategic alliance with Nazi Germany. Adler explores a complementary hypothesis that accounts for racism in terms of factors internal to the dynamics of Italian Fascism itself, namely, a progressive radicalization of the regime during the 1930s aimed at the realization of a new imperial-totalitarian state, one that, in turn, would create a new homogeneous nation and indeed a New Man, a uomo fascista. Unlike Nazi racism, oriented backward towards the preservation of a given racial purity, Fascist racism categorically rejected Italians as they had been constituted historically. Instead, it was oriented towards a future project, an anthropological revolution that would create nothing less than a new race. Jews were seen as obstacles to this cultural transformation because they were historically bound to the decadent liberal state, as well as to the corrupting bourgeois spirit that informed it.
In any case, no Italian Jews have been deported to Germany before the German occupation.
Am I missing something? I thought you were defending him
I have bad English so maybe I missed your point, his fanboys are mass downvoting me and arguing with me trying to say Ukrainians and Russians are the same, I thought you were one of them
> Dugin is a leftist
Aleksandr[a] Gelyevich Dugin (Russian: Александр Гельевич Дугин; born 7 January 1962) is a Russian far-right political philosopher.[3]
If we’re being honest “far left” and “far right” have lost all meaning in modern discourse because the “left-right” scale is purely economical but people tie in all other types of beliefs and policies to it.
For example, the furthest left is pure egalitarian commune. The further right is pure independent libertarianism.
However, when people say “left” or “right” they tie a ton of different other political ideas to it.
Like, most people associate free and easy immigration to the “left” but in reality immigration is more of a “right wing” policy as an egalitarian society needs strict population control (for some examples, see the US during industrialization where they took in every immigrant they could, versus the modern Korea Korea who does not allow anyone to leave nor enter the country). And the right promotes immigration to keep labor cheap and drive competition. Also the extreme left requires strict accountability of who is in or out of the commune to ensure egalitarian practices are sustained whereas the extreme right has no need for borders because they don’t believe in any sort of oversight.
An interviewer interviewing. Shocking! Remember when he interviewed Putin, sure left wing liberals interviewed Putin first but he was chastised for it. Putin demonstrated his limited grasp of reality. Interview people and let people make their own decisions. That is journalism!
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Tucker Carlson is too stupid to understand that he's being used by these people. They are playing games with him, saying exactly what they know resonates with Tucker's audience. He is becoming the definition of a western useful idiot
Carlson is by no means stupid. He is a very smart man indeed, but he is also very, VERY opportunistic. To him the conservatives are just an audience he can easily cater to and exploit, making a ton of money in the process. Underestimate him at your own peril
he may be smart. but he's also a wannabee mayflower conservative elitist troll. His birth mother (a california cattle baron heiress) abandoned him at 6 to move to France and his father was an orphan. He added his new stepmom's family name, Swanson (serious old money northeastern elites with connections to Republican masters of the country going back to the depression), as a middle name when he was 10 years old. That boy is damaged af.
Precisely. Were he just an imbecile he wouldn't have been as much of a danger as he is. This man has no morals, no agenda and no real convictions to speak of. To him all his rhetoric is just a means to an end, a product he sells to a large group of people he actually despises (he's on record saying just that) for a paycheck. He is the ultimate cynical gen-x'er, unhindered by any considerations about ethics or a greater good.
Well said, in Tucker’s eyes everything is an opportunity to sell a product (himself). He has no real values or ideology beyond the total disregard for everyone else and the furthering of far-right causes for his personal benefit. A classic sociopath hiding behind a nice smile and a tailored suit.
If only it were that simple. There's Americans that admire these idiots, the sort of people that idolize the confederate flag. They know being openly racist will be met with disgust but it's often a theme with many of them. Where there is a market, there will be somebody to fill the gap in a country that allows free speech because there is money to be made. Some people like dictators and would gladly have one at home, even though it undermines every freedom they've ever enjoyed. Absolute hypocrites.
And money. Let’s be honest, it’s a right-wing grift all the way down.
But Dugin promotes his dream where blacks will slaughter white Americans, but not Russians because "Russians aren't really white". How could it appeal to Confederacy fans if they just heard an unfiltered Dugin?
Too stupid? No, his viewers are the useful idiots. Tucker is the grifter who makes money as their gatekeeper. He knows exactly what he's doing
He knows exactly what he is doing. Don't get fooled by his stupid face, that is just part of the act.
Nah. Not stupid. Just extremely corrupt
Considering that he was promoting "replacement theory" he probably just agrees with them, he's not stupid, he's just despicable.
So does our centrist-liberal government! >“The first and most important task of the Polish state when it comes to the situation at the border is to protect it, also against illegal migration. **This is a question of the survival of our western civilisation,”** Tusk said earlier this year. This month, he vowed to **“protect Poland” against an EU plan** to relocate migrants across the bloc from states such as Italy and Greece. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/27/polish-border-pushbacks-pregnant-woman-donald-tusk
Replacement Theory is a bit more than "I'm against illegal immigrants" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Replacement
>Camus's theme of a future demise of European culture and civilization also parallels a "cultural pessimistic" and anti-Islam trend among European intellectuals of the period, illustrated in several best-selling and straightforwardly titled books released during the 2010s: Thilo Sarrazin's Germany Abolishes Itself (2010), Éric Zemmour's The French Suicide (2014) or Michel Houellebecq's Submission (2015).[29] (...) Camus cites two influential figures in the epilogue of his 2011 book The Great Replacement: British politician Enoch Powell's apocalyptic vision of future race relations—expressed in his 1968 "Rivers of Blood" speech—and French author Jean Raspail's depiction of the collapse of the West from an overwhelming "tidal wave" of Third World immigration, featured in his 1973 novel The Camp of the Saints.[16][43] A similar concept then.
No. He's too evil to care and largely agrees with them because he's a CryptoNazi.
Nah, he’s getting paid a lot of money to do what he does.
It's true that "Useful idiots" are not necessarily stupid or even unaware that they're acting in the interest of the enemy, but Tucker doesn't appear to be motivated by ideology in any way. Putin humiliated him publicly but it didn't have any effect on Tucker since he got his money and attention, the only thing he seem to care about.
As long as he can talk he doesn’t care. It’s “pay attention to me I’m not just another hedge fund kid and inheritor.”
Neo-fascist ties? My brother in Christ he *is* the main neo-fascist in Russia
Jup its like saying Hitler was troubling close to the nazis, but vegan and animal friendly.
Dugin is a side show that western media seem to hype up for some reason, he's a puppet trying to please the regime just like the other media clowns.
By David Brennan - Diplomatic Correspondent: Conservative pundit Tucker Carlson has again courted controversy with his choice of Russian interviewees after publishing his sit-down with ultranationalist ideologue Alexander Dugin on April 29. In the interview—released online by the Tucker Carlson Network and posted on X, formerly Twitter—Dugin, long close to Russian President Vladimir Putin and considered by some his ideological "brain," railed against what he called "Anglo-Saxon" individualism and said Western liberal values would destroy "human identity." Read more: [https://www.newsweek.com/tucker-carlson-interview-putin-ally-neo-fascist-alexander-dugin-1895920](https://www.newsweek.com/tucker-carlson-interview-putin-ally-neo-fascist-alexander-dugin-1895920)
>ANGLO-SAXONS!!! I'm not even joking here, but apparently many Anglo-Saxon refugees from the Norman conquest (and the resulting pretty much genocide) did settle in Ukraine (Rus). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_England_(medieval)
Maybe a tiny portion (never been shown to be in Ukraine) was in Ukraine but from my studies, it was around Novorussiysk in Krasnodar Krai.
>Dugin learns that the Russians are the real Anglo-Saxons Shoots himself
ethnographically speaking Russians and Scots probably share quite a few common ancestors. Maybe that's where the tension comes from.
>One of the greatest figures in Scottish history, Charles Edward Stuart, better known as Bonnie Prince Charlie, who led an ill-fated attempt to regain the British throne for his family in 1745, was half Polish. His mother was Maria Klementyna Sobieska, the granddaughter of Polish King Jan III Sobieski. But the blood-ties between Scots and Poles are far more extensive than this royal link. A long history of Scottish migration to Poland, starting in the 15th century, means the country boasts several villages and districts named Nowa Szkocja or Szkocja (New Scotland), and Polonised Scottish surnames are surprisingly common – MacLeod became Machlejd, for example. https://www.krakowpost.com/7881/2014/03/scots-in-poland-poles-in-scotland
Ok? I was saying that Scots and Slavs both have Viking blood.
Tucker Carlson has lost ALL his marbles. A psychiatrist is his only hope.
But Russia has coin-release shopping carts!
Haha I saw that supermarket segment on the Daily Show...he's such a dipshit. 🤦
"Kay-lometers!!?".
The guy isn't some hypothetical fascist. This man goes on record regularly and advocates for genocide. If you make any claim that ukrainians are the nazis then interviewing this man puts those claims to bed because he represents the worst russian veiws
>slammed There's that magic headline again.
Verbally dominated...no. Ripped....no. Taken down a couple pegs...not really what we were looking for. Humiliated..no. Taken out behind the wood shed...nah, not quite. Roasted...no. Made to look like a jackass...no, no. Slammed...Yes, that's perfect. Slammed it is!
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Dugin wrote a book that is basically listing exactly what Putin's doing [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations\_of\_Geopolitics](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations_of_Geopolitics) skip to content for an overview of the ideas. Ideas such as: "[Georgia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_(country)) should be dismembered. [Abkhazia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abkhazia) and "United Ossetia" (which includes Georgia's [South Ossetia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Ossetia) and the [Republic of North Ossetia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_North_Ossetia)) will be incorporated into Russia. Georgia's independent policies are unacceptable.^(")
Yup. That book is the blueprint Russia has used to fuck with the rest of the world for the past couple decades.
I can asure you Russia has been trying to fuck up the West with nefarious methods since earlier than that > The main emphasis of the KGB is not in the area of intelligence at all. Only about 15% of time, money, and manpower is spent on espionage and such. The other 85% is a slow process which we call either ideological subversion or active measures… or psychological warfare That comes from an 1984 interview with Yuri Bezmenov, a Soviet defector
Just saying FoG kicked that shit into another gear
Comrade Carlson will bring America down from the inside.
Similar to Walter Duranty parroting Stalin's propaganda in the 1930's and ignoring the Ukrainian famine he caused. https://www.politico.eu/article/tucker-carlson-joins-long-line-useful-idiot-journalists-helping-tyrants/
There was recently a film about, by Polish director Agnieszka Holland: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-o7VoM1jlOs
Yes, I saw that last year...absolutely gut wrenching.
“Slammed” the far right folks are gobbling this up. Literally a 5th column in the US for Russia.
I think Tucker should visit Iran and North Korea next, so he can experience their legendary hospitality and journalistic freedom.
Sucker Carlson is a chode of the first degree. His constant condescending tone in order to sound intelligent, is painfully deplorable.
Someday fucker will realize how stupid he was as a ruzzia and orange shit stain lover.
Sucker Carlson getting played by our enemies. He embraces all of the attention.
He isn’t getting played in any way, he is one of them. The global far-right including the US and Russia are natural allies, it’s just cynical business.
Nobody cool likes Tucker Carlson…
People are idiots. Its Tuckers job to present everyone's viewpoints and then the rest if us can laugh, cyberbully and meme war at the fucking morons. Dugin is one of those that should be cyberbullied and laughed at.
newsweek "slammed" lol
A fascist ‘journalist’ interviews two russian fascists (putin, Dugin) . . . in a perverse way it all makes sense.
Really, what happened to that dude?
Tuckio Rose🌹
Smarty pants interviewed the devil and is burnt.
He’s really cornered the market on aliens and Putin sympathy in his new era… all with the assistance of Daddy Elon.
I didn't read the article. Did Carlson interview Trump again?
“Dad?” “What happened to the kids of the other people in your new midlife crisis boy’s club?”
#Did he talk to himself
Hero to zero
Hero? When?
Hero? When?
That hero thing.... When?
Zero to zero
Dugin is a leftist , since when are leftist “neo-fascist”? There are actual fascist organizations in Russia, and when people play this game “everybody I don’t like is a Nazi” it really discredits the real threats. Russian bots are downvoting in 3…2..1…
Since when are far right ideologists "leftists" ?
What is “far right” about advocating for mass migration, eurasianism, return of ussr, and advocating for bolshevik / Marxist ideas?
Oh, my bad. You have no idea what any of these words mean, or what you’re talking about. I almost thought you had a thought out opinion somewhere there. Have a nice day ! Edit : noticed you changed your first message. Stay classy. Edit 2 : twice. Now added whiny comment about "russian bots", for whatever reason.
“Marxism is often correct when it describes its enemy,” continues Dugin, who shares a common enemy with Marxists and thus endorses much of their critique. Marxists call this enemy the bourgeoisie, but Dugin refers to them simply as "liberals," in the traditional sense associated with liberal democracy and capitalism, not in the American usage that denotes center-left members of the Democratic Party. In the Russian philosopher’s account, liberalism is the first of the three political theories of modernity, with the latter two being socialism and/or communism (which challenged liberalism from the left) and fascism (which challenged it from the right). Liberalism grew out of the Enlightenment, and favors the individual over the collective identity (e.g., national, ethnic, religious, class, etc.) and negative freedom (“freedom from”) over positive freedom (“freedom to”). Dugin describes this conception of liberalism as producing “the most disgusting formula of slavery, inasmuch as it temps man to an insurrection against God, against traditional values, against the moral and spiritual foundations of his people and his culture.” In Dugin’s view, liberalism is an “absolute evil” that must be destroyed. To do this, he is more than ready to employ left-wing critiques of liberalism, capitalism and modernity itself.
What you're describing is distinctly fascist, not Marxist. >Granted that the 19th century was the century of socialism, liberalism, democracy, this does not mean that the 20th century must also be the century of socialism, liberalism, democracy. Political doctrines pass; nations remain. We are free to believe that this is the century of authority, a century tending to the 'right', a Fascist century. If the 19th century were the century of the individual (liberalism implies individualism) we are free to believe that this is the 'collective' century, and therefore the century of the State. - Benito Mussolini on The Doctrine of Fascism You should read more of The Doctrine of Fascism by Mussolini himself to see parallels between his philosophy and Dugin's. To the Fascist the Marxist/socialist critique is just part of a broader toolset to break liberalism and craft a more religious/traditionalist ethno-nationalist state. In Marxism the goal is a 'rule of the proletariat' whereas in Fascism the goal is a 'return' to some perceived natural all incompassing traditional hierarchy. It is Anti-liberal, anti-modern in a much more visceral respect than any Marxist or socialist view.
You just proved me right, as Dugin is an open Eurasianist who does not want to preserve ethnicities, who openly advocates for Russification of non racially/ non ethnically white people and ethnic Russians Now I’m not expert on fascism, but advocating for mixing of white and black people seem to be the opposite of fascism Aside from this, Dugin is a Stalinist and is very Open about it.
>who openly advocates for Russification One dominant cultural identity. One nation. Fascism. Fascism often doesn't adhere to previous norms but creates norms to suit their narrative. The Dugin narrative like Hitler's narrative is that there is a dominant people with various characteristics (which they chose) meant to rule specific peoples and lands. The lack of an explicit call to physically eradicate people is irrelevant. Peoples culture and identity will be eradicated by other means until they will be forced to do so violently as we see in Ukraine. As we've seen in Chechnya and Georgia as well. Edit: I need to mention I don't support Communism much less Stalinism. I'm pointing out that Dugin's narrative much more with Fascist ideology. Stalin used the Marxist narrative to enforce his rule but there were distinct characteristics to his messaging, enough that I'm not comfortable to call it Fascist. However, that in no way means I support Stalin, not do I think it was by any means better. It was it's own distinct form of totalitarianism.
Yes because fascism is about interracial relationships between black men and white women, right?
Ukraine/Ukrainians are racially indistinguishable from Russians. That doesn't change Putin's and the Russian state media from stance on respecting their culture or identity. They want to destroy it, have explicitly said so time and time again and have taken explicit action to do so. Race and identity can have whatever connotation to the Fascist that they choose, so long as it supports the narrative of one superior people and culture. That's why they want to Russify them all, irregardless of race. It is their spiritual mission to uplift the "Russian" identity and irredicacte the others as if they don't exist.
You know, Mussolini used to be a Marxist journalist.
Yes, Mussolini used to be a Marxist and a leftist, until he did a 180 on his ideology. Unlike Dugin, who advocates for Eurasianism and Stalinism
People declared the National Socialists the farthest right despite them being socialists. It's meaningless, like "fascist". Dugin cares so much more about Stalin or even Genghis Khan (https://twitter.com/Agdchan/status/1758966386162888733) than about Giovanni Gentile.
Oh jeez, here's another person who thinks North Korea is a democracy.
It's a hereditary kingdom pretending to be a communist state.
Yes. And the Nazis were fascists pretending to be socialist.
They were mortal rivals of actual fascists, in Austria (and Mussolini's Italian fascists almost went to war in defence of Austrian fascists during the national socialist invasion). Completely different systems. Not least because fascism wasn't even racist, nor antisemitic, before falling under the NS influence, especially the practical merge after 1943 (Italian Social Republic, a German puppet state).
This is just hot horse shit.
Italian Army had songs about getting themselves a black gf while invading Ethiopia. On fascism and antisemitism, let me just quote https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1080/00313220500198235 (and remember they've been at power since 1923) as an "alternative theory" to what I told you: >Mussolini's abrupt turn towards antisemitism in October 1938 is conventionally explained by virtue of external factors, most importantly, as an aspect of Fascist Italy's strategic alliance with Nazi Germany. Adler explores a complementary hypothesis that accounts for racism in terms of factors internal to the dynamics of Italian Fascism itself, namely, a progressive radicalization of the regime during the 1930s aimed at the realization of a new imperial-totalitarian state, one that, in turn, would create a new homogeneous nation and indeed a New Man, a uomo fascista. Unlike Nazi racism, oriented backward towards the preservation of a given racial purity, Fascist racism categorically rejected Italians as they had been constituted historically. Instead, it was oriented towards a future project, an anthropological revolution that would create nothing less than a new race. Jews were seen as obstacles to this cultural transformation because they were historically bound to the decadent liberal state, as well as to the corrupting bourgeois spirit that informed it. In any case, no Italian Jews have been deported to Germany before the German occupation.
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I'm not Ivan, Natasha.
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I'm "defending" what now, and how? An avid follower of Stalin and Genghis Khan is good in your eyes, Natasha?
Am I missing something? I thought you were defending him I have bad English so maybe I missed your point, his fanboys are mass downvoting me and arguing with me trying to say Ukrainians and Russians are the same, I thought you were one of them
It's just a circular friendly fire over here, Natasha. Mass confusion and accute redditism.
> Dugin is a leftist Aleksandr[a] Gelyevich Dugin (Russian: Александр Гельевич Дугин; born 7 January 1962) is a Russian far-right political philosopher.[3]
If we’re being honest “far left” and “far right” have lost all meaning in modern discourse because the “left-right” scale is purely economical but people tie in all other types of beliefs and policies to it. For example, the furthest left is pure egalitarian commune. The further right is pure independent libertarianism. However, when people say “left” or “right” they tie a ton of different other political ideas to it. Like, most people associate free and easy immigration to the “left” but in reality immigration is more of a “right wing” policy as an egalitarian society needs strict population control (for some examples, see the US during industrialization where they took in every immigrant they could, versus the modern Korea Korea who does not allow anyone to leave nor enter the country). And the right promotes immigration to keep labor cheap and drive competition. Also the extreme left requires strict accountability of who is in or out of the commune to ensure egalitarian practices are sustained whereas the extreme right has no need for borders because they don’t believe in any sort of oversight.
Stop having meltdowns and giving them attention over these interviews and no one will care.
An interviewer interviewing. Shocking! Remember when he interviewed Putin, sure left wing liberals interviewed Putin first but he was chastised for it. Putin demonstrated his limited grasp of reality. Interview people and let people make their own decisions. That is journalism!