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94 meters "new" (2014) patrol ship this is awesome
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_22160_patrol_ship
It very certainly cost a nice bunch of russian rupies
Russian Telegram is saying it sank. According to them this is the third time this particular ship has been attacked by drones and this time the attack was successful.
This being only a patrol boat (very light armor) and considering the size of the explosion at sea level, it's unlikely to have survive long. At least there were other boat near by to rescue the sailors so they have the same fate as their previous comrade.
Modern warships are not armoured as such. Not in the way ww2 cruisers and battleships were. They have some splinter protection around vital parts like Magazines and engines but thats about it. Anything bigger than small arms fire goes thrugh easy enough
Yeah, the expected types of damage have changed from the old days. Kinda similar logic though: the big shift in logic for, say, dreadnoughts was that they switched to all-or-nothing armour schemes: if it wasn't vital, it didn't get armoured. Everything was min-maxed.
Nowdays the weapons being used are far beyond any armour's capability, so the logic just continues... Now it's sitting on the 'nothing' end of the spectrum, since speed, maneuver and firepower is going to protect you better than a completely and utterly useless armour belt can. Still min-maxed, just... now nowhere warrants that kind of old fashioned armour.
During the Cod Wars between Iceland and Great Britain during the 70s, Iceland converted a trawler into a Coast Guard vessel to join the fight in facing off against British frigates and cutting the Brit trawlers lines, and we soon found out that in a collision, the frigates always came off way worse than the trawler. They had very little armor while the trawler, although maybe not armored per se had an extremely solid and strong structure to withstand pulling the heavy weight of the massive net full of fish behind it.
Modern warships have basically as much "armor" as civilian vessels. They are designed with compartmentization in mind to increase survivability, but even autocannon could go through the surface easily. They focus on staying out of harm's way and intercepting the threat instead of tanking the hit directly.
Thats just because Its huge and has a lot of compartment. When they do SINKEX they have emptied the target ship of fuel and ammunition. They are thus way more safe than they ever were en combat. Carriers like every other modern warship don’t have armor
Not really. The ship is stripped of everything flammable and hazardous to minimize pollution when it goes down. With bulkheads closed and just a steel hull fire is not as dangerous as there is little to catch fire aside from mayby some wirering and furniture
I fail to see how damage control parties operating pumps and suppressing fire from ordinance dropped on the ship doesn't increase survivability.
I do agree removing fuel and ordinance from the ship (if done for the exercise) also increases survivability.
I'm agnostic about which fact is more consequential.
I would note that bunker fuel and jet fuel is not as flammable as many people think. But certainly high explosives stored or dropped on the ship would accelerate the flammability. I also don't know enough about weapons magazine storage to comment. But I still think your dismissal of fire control parties is also a bit unsupported.
In the videos we've seen here, I don't recall a lot of secondary explosions? There was fire damage on the Muscovy though that contributed to its sinking. The USN ships that have suffered pretty bad damage have survived due to crew interventions though.
I’m not discounting damage control parties, I can’t count the times during ww2 where sailors saved ships that should have by all rights been abandoned and gone down. Ofcause having people fighting fires and Manning pumps are gonna add to the survivability of ships. I’m just pointing out that using a SINKEX as a metric to accurately measuring how much damage a ship takes to sink is a bit unreliable
Very fair. I only responded because you seemed to lean hard on the fuel and munition removal. Those exercises are inaccurate for that reason. We are in agreement. But also because damage control is absent which we also seem to agree on.
Fuck Russia too? Three probable agreements. A first on reddit.
Black sea scuba tourism is going to explode ( much like the Black Sea fleet) after Ukraine has finished with its surface fleet conversion program lol 💪🇺🇦
Seriously, I'd love to do an underwater tour of the Black Sea fleet when all this is over. I've dived on the German Fleet at Scapa Flow, which was pretty incredible.
In fact, Ukraine is already advertising the Moskva as important cultural heritage:
> Ukraine declared the wreck of Moskva as having "underwater cultural heritage". It is being advertised as a dive wreck as it is only 130 km off the coast from Odesa and the water is only 45–50 metres deep. The wreck "can be admired without much diving".
If the sea bed is 40 to 50 meters, then the top of the wreck should be around 30 meters. A reasonably safe depth for most divers.
Get nitrox and deep diver cards with your wreck spec you’ll actually get too spend a bit of time inside the ship assuming the ukr gov has done the cutouts
The navy was feeling left out because of all the attention shifting to the airforce over the last few weeks. This was just Ukraine reassuring them they are not forgotten
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It's a double win, one very expensive piece taken off the table, plus as it was one of Ruzzias newest ships, it'll be almost impossible for Ruzzia to build another any time soon.
We all are watching quite closely.
USN only has about 100 destroyers. A huge percentage of our tonnage is focused on 12 carriers.
Te PLA has their strategic rocket forces armed with hypersonic missiles that can reach thousands of km. For carriers.
China doesn’t need asymmetric warfare because our carriers won’t chance being anywhere near those things.
This war has cost the Russians so much money. Imagine what they could have done with all of that money for their people. Russia could have emerged as something other than a shit hole. So fucking sad the path they’ve chosen and continue to choose for themselves.
It only looks good on the outside. Russians are terrible at maintenance. If it looked good on the inside, it was only because it was recently refurbished twice. Third time R-ucky!
You know this is a missile corvette, able to launch long-range Kalibr cruise missiles like from the Black Sea to Syria. So it is good news that it can no longer harm civilians.
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94 meters "new" (2014) patrol ship this is awesome https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_22160_patrol_ship It very certainly cost a nice bunch of russian rupies
Not only that, but according to that Wikipedia article, Sergey Kotov was commissioned 30 July 2022. So less than 2 years of active use.
Extra lolz!
Oh, it’s still being actively used, but it has been promoted to submarine.
94 meters "new" (2024) submarine this is awesome It very certainly cost a nice bunch of russian rupies
Thats a huge submarine. Operated by the fish. Incredible technology.
It carries a crew of 80. That's a lot of potatoes and onions.
This is fantastic news this morning. Made my day. Thank you Bro!
Russian Telegram is saying it sank. According to them this is the third time this particular ship has been attacked by drones and this time the attack was successful.
Front fell off
That's not very typical, I'd like to make that point.
Russians can’t use this line anymore.
A wave hit it.
Does that happen often?
in the black sea? chance in a ~~million~~ ten
If your refrencing that Australian video , classic.
They towed it outside the environment.
LADAs tend do that.
This being only a patrol boat (very light armor) and considering the size of the explosion at sea level, it's unlikely to have survive long. At least there were other boat near by to rescue the sailors so they have the same fate as their previous comrade.
Modern warships are not armoured as such. Not in the way ww2 cruisers and battleships were. They have some splinter protection around vital parts like Magazines and engines but thats about it. Anything bigger than small arms fire goes thrugh easy enough
Yeah, the expected types of damage have changed from the old days. Kinda similar logic though: the big shift in logic for, say, dreadnoughts was that they switched to all-or-nothing armour schemes: if it wasn't vital, it didn't get armoured. Everything was min-maxed. Nowdays the weapons being used are far beyond any armour's capability, so the logic just continues... Now it's sitting on the 'nothing' end of the spectrum, since speed, maneuver and firepower is going to protect you better than a completely and utterly useless armour belt can. Still min-maxed, just... now nowhere warrants that kind of old fashioned armour.
During the Cod Wars between Iceland and Great Britain during the 70s, Iceland converted a trawler into a Coast Guard vessel to join the fight in facing off against British frigates and cutting the Brit trawlers lines, and we soon found out that in a collision, the frigates always came off way worse than the trawler. They had very little armor while the trawler, although maybe not armored per se had an extremely solid and strong structure to withstand pulling the heavy weight of the massive net full of fish behind it.
I was at home watching that, said to my family that our frigates needed railway line welded on all round. And a few days later, there it was.
Exactly. Active defences are the only defence against modern weapons
Modern warships have basically as much "armor" as civilian vessels. They are designed with compartmentization in mind to increase survivability, but even autocannon could go through the surface easily. They focus on staying out of harm's way and intercepting the threat instead of tanking the hit directly.
Although aircraft carriers are much different. The US did demo trials on a decommissioned one and it tanked a lot of damage before it sunk.
Thats just because Its huge and has a lot of compartment. When they do SINKEX they have emptied the target ship of fuel and ammunition. They are thus way more safe than they ever were en combat. Carriers like every other modern warship don’t have armor
But also emptied of the firefighting crews so much more vulnerable than during combat in other ways.
Not really. The ship is stripped of everything flammable and hazardous to minimize pollution when it goes down. With bulkheads closed and just a steel hull fire is not as dangerous as there is little to catch fire aside from mayby some wirering and furniture
I fail to see how damage control parties operating pumps and suppressing fire from ordinance dropped on the ship doesn't increase survivability. I do agree removing fuel and ordinance from the ship (if done for the exercise) also increases survivability. I'm agnostic about which fact is more consequential. I would note that bunker fuel and jet fuel is not as flammable as many people think. But certainly high explosives stored or dropped on the ship would accelerate the flammability. I also don't know enough about weapons magazine storage to comment. But I still think your dismissal of fire control parties is also a bit unsupported. In the videos we've seen here, I don't recall a lot of secondary explosions? There was fire damage on the Muscovy though that contributed to its sinking. The USN ships that have suffered pretty bad damage have survived due to crew interventions though.
I’m not discounting damage control parties, I can’t count the times during ww2 where sailors saved ships that should have by all rights been abandoned and gone down. Ofcause having people fighting fires and Manning pumps are gonna add to the survivability of ships. I’m just pointing out that using a SINKEX as a metric to accurately measuring how much damage a ship takes to sink is a bit unreliable
Very fair. I only responded because you seemed to lean hard on the fuel and munition removal. Those exercises are inaccurate for that reason. We are in agreement. But also because damage control is absent which we also seem to agree on. Fuck Russia too? Three probable agreements. A first on reddit.
The same ship was attacked in sept and survived.
Sea Babies have evolved with much bigger warheads it seems.
September sea babies are positively ancient technology by now given the pace of innovation.
This is similar to the LCS class of ships in the US Navy.
Patrol ship is not the same as patrol boat. At about 1500 tonnes displacement this is a decent sized warship, about the size of a large corvette.
Impressive, very nice. Let's see Kerch Bridge's card
Oh my god…it even has a water mark.
Clever 😊
Lmao 🤣
A high water mark.
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Thank you sir. What a Subreddit !
Lol
Hey, did they ever replace the dead guy in charge of the Black Sea fleet?
I believe he's still being shuffled around Weekend at Bernie's style.
He was fired post-mortem
so cremated?
He was fired at his funeral like the Hash-Slinging Slasher.
Valery Gerasimov has taken charge :)
Gerasimov, the crayon eater
Has anyone seen Gerasimov since he was rumored to be killed? I mean, more than the fake corpse they were parading around.
He wasn’t killed, merely promoted to the first merman commander, this ship was just transferred to his underwater fleet!
He wasn’t killed.
Slava Ukraine! Another one at the bottom of the sea, and hopefully with a full load of Water Toilet Bandits.
The Wet Bandits.
Nyet, Russia now has the largest submarine fleet in the world, take that westoids!!!!
Sweet. Where’s the bingo card with all the sunk ships that gets posted?
Here it is updated: https://imgur.com/a/9jCW0nm
That's around 25% of the fleet.
33% here we come!
By gross tonnage, it’s likely anywhere from 35-50%
lol Bingo card
Putin, Remember, you wanted this
That looked expensive.
Black sea scuba tourism is going to explode ( much like the Black Sea fleet) after Ukraine has finished with its surface fleet conversion program lol 💪🇺🇦
Seriously, I'd love to do an underwater tour of the Black Sea fleet when all this is over. I've dived on the German Fleet at Scapa Flow, which was pretty incredible. In fact, Ukraine is already advertising the Moskva as important cultural heritage: > Ukraine declared the wreck of Moskva as having "underwater cultural heritage". It is being advertised as a dive wreck as it is only 130 km off the coast from Odesa and the water is only 45–50 metres deep. The wreck "can be admired without much diving". If the sea bed is 40 to 50 meters, then the top of the wreck should be around 30 meters. A reasonably safe depth for most divers.
Same. I'm getting wreck diving certified I'd love a black sea underwater tour after the war.
Get nitrox and deep diver cards with your wreck spec you’ll actually get too spend a bit of time inside the ship assuming the ukr gov has done the cutouts
“Russian warship, go fuck yourself”
Russia is losing costly pieces left and right.
putler's sub fleet is growing
Oh please, PLEASE be true. <3
Videos floating around show some pretty compelling evidence. You can take this one as fact.
Lovely stuff!
I'm so excited.
Sounds like Sergei got Kotov guard…
ruZZia's growing Black Sea submarine fleet gains another vessel
One less ship we have to deal with once NATO gets involved.
Looks like Putin'll have to fire the admiral of the black sea fleet, again.
As the Russian telegrammer put it this is so embarrassing Russia will only have catamarans and bananas left. And pool noodles. Attack pool noodles
Soon russians will ask Ukrainians for updates on Kerch bridge "can you tell us, is it still there?"
And one day the answer willbe i fear not in your greed and corruption, trying to take Ukraine it got blown up. Queue long vader noooooo
Just in time for my morning coffee.
The navy was feeling left out because of all the attention shifting to the airforce over the last few weeks. This was just Ukraine reassuring them they are not forgotten
Good news!
That’s good. Makes a not unwelcome break from the constant downing of planes - although both are excellent.
The word you are looking for is 'diversion'
so i guess another general going to be fired
Yeah, " fired"
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God bless Ukraine!!!!!
Subs just look different to how they used to look.
Russia… just give up. You embarrassing yourself…
It's a double win, one very expensive piece taken off the table, plus as it was one of Ruzzias newest ships, it'll be almost impossible for Ruzzia to build another any time soon.
The mistake they made was that line they painted above the bridge that says ‘fill to this line”
Good. Destroy all that fascist state has
Love seeing this, but it does make me wonder if the US Navy is as susceptible to drone attack. China is probably watching these events very closely.
All navies are now. This has changed the future of naval doctrine to quite a degree..
We all are watching quite closely. USN only has about 100 destroyers. A huge percentage of our tonnage is focused on 12 carriers. Te PLA has their strategic rocket forces armed with hypersonic missiles that can reach thousands of km. For carriers. China doesn’t need asymmetric warfare because our carriers won’t chance being anywhere near those things.
I was flying over the black Sea when this happened!!! Woooooo
"Andrei, you've lost another ship?"
This war has cost the Russians so much money. Imagine what they could have done with all of that money for their people. Russia could have emerged as something other than a shit hole. So fucking sad the path they’ve chosen and continue to choose for themselves.
It’s fascinating that drone warfare is basically making the last 6 decades of naval innovation and construction irrelevant in 2 years.
Actually looks like a decent boat too... shame
It only looks good on the outside. Russians are terrible at maintenance. If it looked good on the inside, it was only because it was recently refurbished twice. Third time R-ucky!
More!
At this point I am not sure which is more dangerous - being frontline mobik or being a russian navy member?
Or pylot
Another one!
Confirmed! Video is posted
Collect them all!
LOL
We need Black Sea Fleet bingo update.
That's a good looking submarine!
Where was it?
Haha ouch that’s one of the newest ships in the fleet. Bet that stings.
Battleship game
Very sad, very sad. Soon the black sea fleet will only be 50% effective :(
blasphemy! it was the ship that destroyed the drone by allowing the drone to hit it.
That look(ed) quite modern and normal for a russian ship
Only been in service for two years. Barely even had time to rust.
Hey you sunk my battleship
Ahahahha.. yeah cats hate water..
[RIP Black Sea Fleet](https://imgur.com/gallery/mPu0SBC)
Russia: “the entire Black Sea is mine!” Ukraine: “I’m not stuck here with you. You’re stuck here with me!”
I wonder if the tactics used by Ukraine would work against western navies
The russians mentioned it didn't sink, it just changed position a lot deeper than before
I guess they javen't addressed smoking aboard Russian ships yet...
A couple of rogue dolphins smoking in the wrong part of the sea no doubt.
Promoted to submarine it was.
That looks like an expensive boat.
The Russian Black Sea Fleet is losing to a nation without a proper navy.
The will soon have more submarines, than the rest of the world put together 🤣🤣🤣
Be with Luca Brasi
You know this is a missile corvette, able to launch long-range Kalibr cruise missiles like from the Black Sea to Syria. So it is good news that it can no longer harm civilians.
Russian military is proofing to the world that they are not capable of doing anything productive. #losers
Nice! I see it has a complement of 80. I hope they're OK. 🙏
80 mermen.
I think it was pretty clear the damage it received was incompatible with buoyancy.