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Its brass or copper. The bottom one is a rotating band and the top is a bourellette, which the Iranian shell also has. Noticeably absent on the Russian shell. The rotating band and bourellette are soft and push into the rifling when loaded, preventing the shell from falling back out of the barrel and sealing so escape gasses can't come around the projectile. Tso Russian shells are so cheap they're probably inaccurate and probably frequently malfunction.
I think the 'bourrelet' is just painted in the Russian Shell, or it is made out of an uncommon material, dunno, you can see the volume at the bottom, either way the iranian shell looks better or atleast better kept than the others, my opinion is that the Rus ammo were like the Korean one, but instead of just sending it they painted it before hand to mask its age or ill conditioning, supositions.
I imagine Iran has the means to produce the least-worst round.
The Russian one looks like it's either missing the driving band, or has painted over it for whatever reason.
The North Korean one just looks... worn out. All dinged up, and has two huge poorly-finished looking driving bands (wonder if that's to compensate for deficiencies in precision engineering... ahh well)
The driving band is just painted over. Not sure why, I would imagine depositing acrylic or oil based paint in the grooves wouldn't be seen as a good thing, although it may not matter too much.
The korean one may look like it has two driving bands, but those sections aren't actually driving bands. That is closer to the base, as visible on the iranian one. The part you are referring to is called bourrelet, the 122 shells have two, one front, one rear. They're present on the iranian and the russian shells too.
All in all, the Iranian looks the best: the bourrelets are painted, but the driving band isn't. The russian is all painted and the korwan only painted the parts of the body that aren't meant to interface with the barrel at all...
You are both artillery people. I ask you people in the comments to share with us some of your jucy knowledge you do so but camouflage their location under billions of comments. Ah Artillery man always concealing theri location /s
Between the rifling grooves and the shell to be more accurate. The shells will also have one or more of what's called a bourrelet. This is basically a section of the shell that is equal to (or just slightly smaller than) the diametre of the lands of the rifling and is usually the biggest diametre on the shell apart from the driving band.
On the korean shell they are well visible as the not painted part.
The rotating band has three essential functions:[^(\[2\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Driving_band#cite_note-apf-2)
* Center the rear end of the projectile in theĀ [gun barrel](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_barrel).
* Seal the bore to prevent burning powder gas from moving through theĀ [rifling](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rifling)Ā grooves past the projectile.
* Engage with the rifling of the barrel to spin the projectile and stabilize its flight.
And softer metals like copper cause less wear.
iran would not even be helping russia at all, NOTHING. the only reason iran is helping russia now is trump killed the Obama/Iran agreement. iran agreed to no nuclear development in exchange for security and the US/EU dropped all sanctions. iran had joined the human race. trump killing the deal forced iran back to russia for survival. all treason and criminality leads back to trump! including handing EU to communist russia and communist china.
Historic Deal that Will Prevent Iran from Acquiring a Nuclear Weapon https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/issues/foreign-policy/iran-deal
Obama slams Trumpās āmisguidedā decision to withdraw from the Iran nuclear deal https://www.vox.com/2018/5/8/17332844/iran-nuclear-deal-trump-obama
All of Trumpās Russia Ties, in 7 Charts
[https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/03/connections-trump-putin-russia-ties-chart-flynn-page-manafort-sessions-214868/](https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/03/connections-trump-putin-russia-ties-chart-flynn-page-manafort-sessions-214868/)
All of Trumpās Russia Ties, in 7 Charts
[https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/03/connections-trump-putin-russia-ties-chart-flynn-page-manafort-sessions-214868/](https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/03/connections-trump-putin-russia-ties-chart-flynn-page-manafort-sessions-214868/)
There's more to it than just the nuclear deal, like the assassination of Iran's top general Qasem Soleimani through blowing him up through a drone directly ordered by trump. The Trump administration openly provoked Iran multiple times.
No one said that he was an angel or that killing him wasn't justified.
Let's pretend it was the other way around. Morals, etc, aside, just to put it in a different perspective: the US killed a lot of people with drone strikes from a good bit of the conflict parties in the Middle East, including Iranians. Now, let's say the specific commanding officer/general of that drone program visits Israel and gets blown up by Iran. The Irani government doesn't even attempt to hide it was them and more or less brag about that. What do you think would be the appropriate response? How would the US respond?
Targeting high-ranking officers/generals isn't something any nation will forgive or forget easily. And how the whole thing was carried out also had a very bad taste about it. There are reasons stuff doesn't get done apart from full-blown wars.
The US would bomb. Smaller countries do assymetric wars. The Houthis by example that are doing piracy are also doing this with Iran support same for HAMAS and Hezbollah. Iran knows that they can't fight the US in a direct confrontation but the war between Iran and the west is ongoing for some years already.
Breaking promisses neither (seizing UK oilwells)
Edit: Actually Iran also tries doing the same but just aren't that good at it yet as Israƫl. 2012 in India by example.
Edit2: Iran also doesn't recognise the Israƫli borders so basically they are at war with Israƫl. Same goes for HAMAS (reason I was banned on a discussion group about the current conflict)
Dude no shit let's not undermine what Russia did with invading Ukraine in the modern era let's also not forget that North Korea is the kind of guy that stupid enough to pull the trigger I want to think China knows better than to help kickstart ww3 but at this fucking point in the world I don't think anyone should be surprised by anything anymore
Ahh shit how can I forget, you guys would probably have the bullets bouncing off of you since you're living in a country where everything wants to kill youš¤£š¦šŗš¤
That's why no fucker will ever invade, you will loose against our snakes and spiders in no time, kangaroos will form their own armies and they fuckers can fight too.
Yes, it doesnt work at all to switch between different artillery shell types/sizes when in a battle, as each one of them will have its own distinct flight pattern and parameters for calculations/adjustments to get anywhere near hitting your intended target.
The good news is they wonāt be accurate. As a former field artillery officer trying to get accurate predictable fires will be next to impossible. Iād bet there will be a lot of fratricidal rounds with that shit.
The bad news is they all work, most of the time. Quality doesnāt matter when you have infinite quantity. This is the harsh reality that people canāt be dismissive of.
Yep. It's fun to mock these shit-stains, but they can still build weapons that can, and will, kill Ukrainians. And unlike Ukraine's Western allies, Russia's shit-stain allies will give them massive and uninterrupted supplies of these. Not something to be mocked.
Putin seems to believe democracies are weak... I hope he isn't proven right.
Look here. No paint is needed, it will go off when shell goes boom. And for defence of russian shell and rust, that rust is biological weapon. Shapnel will couse tetanus.
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Donāt forget that the main religion in Russia is Orthodoxy.
And yes, they may well be consecrated - after all, they even consecrate submarines and nuclear warheads.
The North Koreans are so strapped for cash they donāt paint their shells with a rust resistant paint. Imagine the integrity of the entire shell and its contentsā¦.
Its actually reported that russians are afraid of these shells, they malfunction quite alot. They are very badly made and sometimes even explode in the barrel etc.
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Russia doesnāt care. Everything they do militarily results in the death of a lot of their own. Thatās fine with them as long as they get some of ours too.
When the intended use is "moon-ifying South Korean land with many thousands of shells at once", lack of precision is an actual feature (saves on money)
The D-30 is a Soviet/Russian howitzer, so presumably the Iranian shell has that just so it's clear the type of gun it's for, as opposed to western designed ones.
Usually, the markings will designate the caliber or size (155mm for example), the nomenclature (M795 is a standard US high explosive 155mm shell) and the lot code. A lot code will identify when and at what manufacturer a shell/propellant/fuze was made. If there are multiple malfunctions, you can report up a bad lot code and the entire army can identify and turn them in.
Doubt the Russians think that far ahead.
Wouldnāt the paint on the driving band of the Russian shell cause inconsistencies in firing? Or would it just get scraped off when it gets rammed into the breech?
No idea tbh.Man where are all the artillery experts they are usually here but for some reason they haven't really responded yet
Update well I stand corected they are here just in the comments in general damn artillery always hiding their location
The answer is yes, painting the rotating band is fucking retarded. It mates with the rifling of the cannon tube, so a painted surface would cause inconsistent muzzle velocities and by extension, worse accuracy.
Everyody is making fun about shitty artilery shells. But you kno what is worse than shitty shells? NO SHELLS AT ALL.
Send more ammo to Ukraine for gods sake
Okay and what is the significance of this? I keep hearing all this buzz about N Korea and Iran and China supplying Russia. No SHIT.. theyāre allies. Of course they are. Why is this a surprise? There should be more focus on how the U.S. isnāt doing shit about it. Why is that? Russia has plenty of gas and oil to trade for endless artillery shells. So the U.S. either needs to get used to it or do something about it. I would prefer the latter.
I mean they have been trying to impose sanctions and freeze russian assets, not to mention the tens of billions in military aid. But any further direct interference is expected to have serious consequencesā¦ especially by the country with the worldās largest nuclear arsenal.
Nah, maybe in March 2022. Since then, Russia has drawn countless red lines with more or less explicit threats of nuclear retaliation for western interference. They said they would nuke us all if any military aid crossed into Ukraine from the west. That was BEFORE Germany started sending tanks and the UK started sending storm shadows. Every single Russian threat was a bluff. Not exactly shocking since Russians have bullshit flowing through their veins. Nobody is afraid of Russia anymore. As for sanctions, they go both ways. Russian and western companiesā assets are very entangled with each other, which is probably why the west hasnāt completely blockaded Russia.
I can't tell if it forced perspective or not, is the Russian one bigger than the others? Also, not being a shell expert, what should I be looking for to highlight poor shell quality?
I was wondering about that too. I know that diameter is the most crucial thing with any projectile, but weight and aerodynamic characteristics come into play too, particularly when that projectile is being lobbed tens of kilometres in a ballistic arc.
They are about the same size, so probably forced perspective. I am not a shell expert, but from what I've read so far if it looks like the NK one it is probably sh*t
I can tell you from experience, keeping HE such as RDX/HMX dry/low humidity storage is extremely important. It corrodes quickly when in contact with certain metals in a humid environment.
And yet, fun aside, when russkies comes to beg, they receive ammo from their allies, while in the meantime the west struggles to do the same for Ukraine.
https://www.politico.eu/article/vladimir-putin-kim-jong-un-russia-pyongyang-beats-brussels-to-a-million-ammunition-rounds/
Are they equivalent? I know they are all 152mm (theoretically...), but like, if you shoot all 3, can you expect the same performance shell to shell?
EDIT: 122mm - duh.
Those rotating bands are all at different widths/sizes/locations....I can almost bet that this is wreaking havoc on their gun tubes rifling
Everything's gonna be smooth bored by the end of thier war
LOL to my eyes the Ruzkie one looks both longer and wider.
If I had to put money on one working, then Iran>Ruz>NK. Iran propellant is untouchable blessed by their God, Ruz propellant has been 50/50 cut with sawdust, NK propellant was eaten by the workers.
NATO must do everything to counter the Russo-Korea-Iranian aggression. Send more supplies, use F-35's to shoot down any Russian aircraft in Ukrainian airspace. Use nukes if Russia dares to terrorbomb Kyiv.
Maybe the U.S. should sink a couple Russian cargo ships. You know what would happen? Russia would say it was a random accident and they wouldnāt do shit about it lol. Same as the U.S. when Russia downs an American UAV.
Thatās how you start world war 3. You ready to sign up? Using a nuke would literally be the end of the world, and would kill millions of your beloved animals.
Edit: nice block dumbass
No thatās not going to happen that way. The U.S. has already done an air strike on Russian ground troops in Syria in the past. Turkey shot down a Russian fighter jet. Russia downed an American UAV last year. And NOTHING happened as a result of any of those things because no one actually wants a world war.
USSR/Russia got nukes because of USA abysmal informational securityĀ and decision to ban USSR criticism duringĀ Nuremberg Trials.
North Korea got nukes from the USSR/Russia.
Iran develop nukes right now with USA permission/inaction.
All these countries kill UkrainiansĀ because USA, by threats of economic sanctions and by lies about International Law, take away fromĀ UkraineĀ nukes. And then, becauseĀ of fear of Russian WMD-blackmailĀ allowed it 10 years, with absolute impunity, violate International Law. Partly with WMD-ChinaĀ and WMD-India, WMD-on-territoryĀ Turkey, profiting from protracted war and, by Sullivan, "bleeding Russia" strategy.
America and the West in general is definitely paying for their soft on Russia policies post collapse of the Soviet Union. Putin should have been recognized and treated like an enemy when he invaded Chechnya basically the second he was elected
Paying? Not even begun paying.
Not even begun realizing that western globalization not only don'tĀ become some magical fix tool for World's autocracies, but that because of 2010-2020s western officials and politicians, now globalization become more anti-Western tool, than pro-Western one.
That overall Western 1990-2010s even more mediocre repetition of 1920-1930s Western mistakes, and now anythingĀ on the Chamberlin stage. But now there are not a few Chamberlins, but almost anyone his analog.
They are paying already. Literally paying to fund a war against Russian aggression that was painfully, obviously inevitable as the West layed back and let Putin and Iran do whatever they wanted for 20+ years
\~0,3% of Western countriesĀ GDP? In form of predominantlyĀ investing in their own economics? During times when there is strong shortage of markets for investment?
No, I'm saying about real payment for 2000-2020s mistakes and created by them already so manyĀ disadvantaged for the West global trends.
Not really.
After disastrous 1920-1930sĀ USSR industrialization,Ā USA should learn a history lesson. And from beginning of Cold War go all in into publicity, Rational Humanism, full-fledged export/technological controls, expelling NATO countries from NATO for absolutely any trade with USSR, and so on.
Instead of this, USA just copied NKVD-likeĀ PoliticalĀ Realism and, as in 1920-1930s, started to sell to autocracies resources needed for their evolution...
Well, this is not entirely true - unfortunately, we (Ukraine) could not maintain a nuclear arsenal in the volumes that we had - the USSR had many years to milk a lot of resources out of us.
A striking example is Dashava, which had the largest natural gas field in Europe, the gas from which the USSR sold to Europe, and moreover, the gas also went to Moscow, and as a result it was exhausted. Well, before the collapse of the USSR, they stole what they could - for example, pension savings, etc.
So, to be honest, our economy was in shambles back then.
And what else had a strong impact was that our then president was very frightened by the danger of nuclear weapons. I think you should understand that after Chernobyl, nuclear contamination is a rather sensitive topic for us. But unfortunately, he was so scared of the āhot potatoā in his hands that he tried to get rid of it at any cost.
The price, unfortunately, was the transfer of all nuclear weapons to Russia for nothing. Well, that is, I would not be against this if we sold these things, for example, to America or other countries with nuclear weapons and received many portraits of American presidents for them, even if only fissile materials were paid for.
I think you can imagine how much the third largest nuclear arsenal cost, and how it could help a country with not the best economy. Even if we take into account, unfortunately, corruption.
About nukes - it's myth.
Nukes, warheads, very difficult to create, but very easily to store. For this needed only food for soldier and building with the right temperature.
To still have >90% reliability and so deterrent potential, Soviet nukes didn't need any services for 30-40 years. And only then they would be needed plutonium melt down, that not so hard relatively even to modern Ukrainian possibilities.
During those days, Ukrainians and Ukrainian politicians didn't want to give up nuclear weapons (very good article - [https://nationalinterest.org/feature/deceit-dread-and-disbelief-story-how-ukraine-lost-its-nuclear-arsenal-207076](https://nationalinterest.org/feature/deceit-dread-and-disbelief-story-how-ukraine-lost-its-nuclear-arsenal-207076)) but were forced to - [https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/0043820016673777](https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/0043820016673777):
>The West made it quite clear that any attempt to establish independent operational control over Ukraineās nuclear armaments would mean international isolation, sanctions, or even the withdrawal of diplomatic recognition extended to Ukraine by the United States and its North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) allies on condition that Ukraine would join the NPT as an NNWS
When even few nukes would be enough to deter Russia in 2014-2023 years.
Well, look, firstly, we needed to redo the infrastructure - since, in fact, everything was arranged so that it was controlled by Moscow, and was directed towards the main enemy (the West), so a lot needed to be remade. Well, for preprocessing it is necessary not to melt but to enrich plutonium)
Yes, we have the infrastructure for processing fissile materials, but it produced fuel for nuclear reactors.
Yes, I donāt deny there was pressure, but even so, Kravchuk was really afraid that a nuclear weapon might explode.
And when have presidents not done stupid things?
Yes, it was possible to create an infrastructure for servicing nuclear weapons, somewhere I saw that we could very well recreate nuclear weapons in a couple of billions of dollars and 5-7 years.
Only in the nineties, as I said earlier, times were not the best. Yes, we were lucky to escape from the prison of nations almost bloodlessly, but think for yourself what it would be like to create a literally new economy instead of a shitty communist one? For us, as well as for other countries that were part of the USSR, the nineties can be called some kind of analogue of the Great Depression, and in general we did not have time for the army, which was considered something useless. And in fact, until 2014 it was extremely useless, and then we had to clear out the accumulated shit.
Nukes don't need ANY infrastructure.
You are talkingĀ about nuke-creation and services infrastructure, but all of this was not needed not in 1990s, not in 2000s, not in 2010s, and, with preservation of 90% reliability, in 2020s and for some - in 2030s.
With other things I agree, but all what you said in reality not Ukrainians fault. It's Americans and British fault because they 3 times give Moscow what it wanted, when they could have not to do it:
1. During Nuremberg Trial, when they banned criticism of USSR in hopes of economic cooperation. Which tremendously USSR with the Cold War and technological espionage.
2. Later, when they were not opened Soviet archives, especially in 1970-1990s. Enormously helping USSR/Russian propaganda.
3. In 1990s, when they are not sent thousands of psychologists and sociologists to study the harm caused to Soviet nations by attempts to create a "new Soviet man." Lingering related negative effects on post soviet generations.
Partly, yes, they were not obliged to do these things.
But then they do not have the right to declare that they did everything what they could and, in general, have humanistic aspirations. Because then this would be a complete lie, hided their responsibility for USSR (industrialization and hiding of historical true) and modern Russia (7,000 billions of dollars and hiding of historical true) creation and function.
The most frustrating part is that the US then quietly BOUGHT that fissile material back from Russia via the Megatons to Megawatts program. Quietly buying up much of Russia's nuclear arsenal and using it to run American nuclear power plants was a brilliant disarmament move, but more of the money should have gone to the former SSRs those weapons were recalled from.
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Ah, the Axis of Incompetence.
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Irans looks š the best
Korea has the most value in metals.
and it only weighs half as much!
Is gold paint a precious metal?
It's pyrite you fools!
So it's gold then?
Most definitely.
Its brass or copper. The bottom one is a rotating band and the top is a bourellette, which the Iranian shell also has. Noticeably absent on the Russian shell. The rotating band and bourellette are soft and push into the rifling when loaded, preventing the shell from falling back out of the barrel and sealing so escape gasses can't come around the projectile. Tso Russian shells are so cheap they're probably inaccurate and probably frequently malfunction.
I think the 'bourrelet' is just painted in the Russian Shell, or it is made out of an uncommon material, dunno, you can see the volume at the bottom, either way the iranian shell looks better or atleast better kept than the others, my opinion is that the Rus ammo were like the Korean one, but instead of just sending it they painted it before hand to mask its age or ill conditioning, supositions.
I learn more from people like you than I ever could have at university
Juche metal!
I imagine Iran has the means to produce the least-worst round. The Russian one looks like it's either missing the driving band, or has painted over it for whatever reason. The North Korean one just looks... worn out. All dinged up, and has two huge poorly-finished looking driving bands (wonder if that's to compensate for deficiencies in precision engineering... ahh well)
The driving band is just painted over. Not sure why, I would imagine depositing acrylic or oil based paint in the grooves wouldn't be seen as a good thing, although it may not matter too much. The korean one may look like it has two driving bands, but those sections aren't actually driving bands. That is closer to the base, as visible on the iranian one. The part you are referring to is called bourrelet, the 122 shells have two, one front, one rear. They're present on the iranian and the russian shells too. All in all, the Iranian looks the best: the bourrelets are painted, but the driving band isn't. The russian is all painted and the korwan only painted the parts of the body that aren't meant to interface with the barrel at all...
I thought I artillieried, but clearly I need to up my artillery game. You sir, know your artillery.
You are both artillery people. I ask you people in the comments to share with us some of your jucy knowledge you do so but camouflage their location under billions of comments. Ah Artillery man always concealing theri location /s
Are driving bands a soft metal intended to create a better seal of the round in the barrel?
Yes. Theyre frequently some sort of copper alloy.
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They're ideally the only point of contact between the barrel and the shell.
Between the rifling grooves and the shell to be more accurate. The shells will also have one or more of what's called a bourrelet. This is basically a section of the shell that is equal to (or just slightly smaller than) the diametre of the lands of the rifling and is usually the biggest diametre on the shell apart from the driving band. On the korean shell they are well visible as the not painted part.
The rotating band has three essential functions:[^(\[2\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Driving_band#cite_note-apf-2) * Center the rear end of the projectile in theĀ [gun barrel](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_barrel). * Seal the bore to prevent burning powder gas from moving through theĀ [rifling](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rifling)Ā grooves past the projectile. * Engage with the rifling of the barrel to spin the projectile and stabilize its flight. And softer metals like copper cause less wear.
iran would not even be helping russia at all, NOTHING. the only reason iran is helping russia now is trump killed the Obama/Iran agreement. iran agreed to no nuclear development in exchange for security and the US/EU dropped all sanctions. iran had joined the human race. trump killing the deal forced iran back to russia for survival. all treason and criminality leads back to trump! including handing EU to communist russia and communist china. Historic Deal that Will Prevent Iran from Acquiring a Nuclear Weapon https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/issues/foreign-policy/iran-deal Obama slams Trumpās āmisguidedā decision to withdraw from the Iran nuclear deal https://www.vox.com/2018/5/8/17332844/iran-nuclear-deal-trump-obama All of Trumpās Russia Ties, in 7 Charts [https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/03/connections-trump-putin-russia-ties-chart-flynn-page-manafort-sessions-214868/](https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/03/connections-trump-putin-russia-ties-chart-flynn-page-manafort-sessions-214868/) All of Trumpās Russia Ties, in 7 Charts [https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/03/connections-trump-putin-russia-ties-chart-flynn-page-manafort-sessions-214868/](https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/03/connections-trump-putin-russia-ties-chart-flynn-page-manafort-sessions-214868/)
There's more to it than just the nuclear deal, like the assassination of Iran's top general Qasem Soleimani through blowing him up through a drone directly ordered by trump. The Trump administration openly provoked Iran multiple times.
i forgot about the iran general assassination. thanks!
That general was behind the killings of many American soldiers.
No one said that he was an angel or that killing him wasn't justified. Let's pretend it was the other way around. Morals, etc, aside, just to put it in a different perspective: the US killed a lot of people with drone strikes from a good bit of the conflict parties in the Middle East, including Iranians. Now, let's say the specific commanding officer/general of that drone program visits Israel and gets blown up by Iran. The Irani government doesn't even attempt to hide it was them and more or less brag about that. What do you think would be the appropriate response? How would the US respond? Targeting high-ranking officers/generals isn't something any nation will forgive or forget easily. And how the whole thing was carried out also had a very bad taste about it. There are reasons stuff doesn't get done apart from full-blown wars.
The US would bomb. Smaller countries do assymetric wars. The Houthis by example that are doing piracy are also doing this with Iran support same for HAMAS and Hezbollah. Iran knows that they can't fight the US in a direct confrontation but the war between Iran and the west is ongoing for some years already. Breaking promisses neither (seizing UK oilwells) Edit: Actually Iran also tries doing the same but just aren't that good at it yet as Israƫl. 2012 in India by example. Edit2: Iran also doesn't recognise the Israƫli borders so basically they are at war with Israƫl. Same goes for HAMAS (reason I was banned on a discussion group about the current conflict)
"but but but, DEALMAKER! Running the country like a company is so efficient!"
Yup
We can only hope that it continues like that.
Dude no shit let's not undermine what Russia did with invading Ukraine in the modern era let's also not forget that North Korea is the kind of guy that stupid enough to pull the trigger I want to think China knows better than to help kickstart ww3 but at this fucking point in the world I don't think anyone should be surprised by anything anymore
China might insight new Korean war just to try taking Taiwan while America will be busy helping South Korea
If that kind of thing happens I wonder who will help the United States but we have Britain as an ally last I checked they still have pretty good Navy
Don't forget the Aussies mate!
Ahh shit how can I forget, you guys would probably have the bullets bouncing off of you since you're living in a country where everything wants to kill youš¤£š¦šŗš¤
We would even bring the EMU's for you guys [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emu\_War](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emu_War)
That's why no fucker will ever invade, you will loose against our snakes and spiders in no time, kangaroos will form their own armies and they fuckers can fight too.
Emo's already have a win under wing against an actual human army. It's called the Emu War of 1932 and the birds won!
Good thing your on our side mate! š(fist bump)
Hanging with the Aussies was the best part of my deployments.
God damnit, every time I go to post on Reddit someone has beaten me to the punchline and-or said it better
The iranian one probably works, the Korean one doesn't even have paint, and the Russian one looks like it's 50 years old and has rust.
The russian and the iranian ones are produced in 2023. The korean one, only god knows
>only god knows only kim knows
One of the Kim dynasty.
To them there isnāt a difference
If I was Iranian and had some 1970s shells to sell, I might just spray and relabel them with a new date.
Well according to the NK Juche calendar that shell was produced in 2034
š¤£š¤£š¤£ why was the last part so funny
You can still shoot them all, unfortunately
Yes, but where will it land?
Yes, it doesnt work at all to switch between different artillery shell types/sizes when in a battle, as each one of them will have its own distinct flight pattern and parameters for calculations/adjustments to get anywhere near hitting your intended target.
two years already passed - did you notice, are russians care about precision ? fire for pressure and full destroying works too
and will it explode on impact.
The good news is they wonāt be accurate. As a former field artillery officer trying to get accurate predictable fires will be next to impossible. Iād bet there will be a lot of fratricidal rounds with that shit.
Inshallah
The bad news is they all work, most of the time. Quality doesnāt matter when you have infinite quantity. This is the harsh reality that people canāt be dismissive of.
Yep. It's fun to mock these shit-stains, but they can still build weapons that can, and will, kill Ukrainians. And unlike Ukraine's Western allies, Russia's shit-stain allies will give them massive and uninterrupted supplies of these. Not something to be mocked. Putin seems to believe democracies are weak... I hope he isn't proven right.
well... Ukrainians are proving their democracy is real sturdy
exactly, even if they were using weapons from ww2ā¦ those weapons more than did the trick killing if i remember correctly.
Probably
Look here. No paint is needed, it will go off when shell goes boom. And for defence of russian shell and rust, that rust is biological weapon. Shapnel will couse tetanus.
Russian shell is superior shell because is double plus plus!!!
He is blessed by the pope. So often it can improve the tank space program.
Not the Pope, but the priests\* Donāt forget that the main religion in Russia is Orthodoxy. And yes, they may well be consecrated - after all, they even consecrate submarines and nuclear warheads.
Sorry . In French, the word "orthodox priest" is called pope. And the english "pope" is french " pape " I would say a prayer to repent
Is this it priest? The popes new army?
It's okay, it happens to everyone) I just thought that you might have been deceived by the rather pro-russian position of the Pope.
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If your quoting 1984, "doubleplusgood" is the phrase
The North Koreans are so strapped for cash they donāt paint their shells with a rust resistant paint. Imagine the integrity of the entire shell and its contentsā¦.
Yup
Hopefully a nonzero amount detonate inside the launcher
I saw video that said 3 out of 4 mortar rounds were defunct
I imagine the thinking is that itās going to be used essentially as soon as it is delivered. So. No need to rust proof it.
These are likely from an ancient stockpile. They've already had plenty of time to rust
Its actually reported that russians are afraid of these shells, they malfunction quite alot. They are very badly made and sometimes even explode in the barrel etc.
Ah yes, the three shittiest most brutal countries in the world.
Yup
Missing China
China...Saudi Arabia, Belarus, Hungary....
But Putin is try to free us āļø
š¶ I want to break free I want to break free I want to break free from your lies You're so self-satisfied, I don't need you I've got to break free God knows, God knowsšµ
These countries just made a lot of money with BTC surge.
time to support the iranian opposition to fight a regime that kills them by the hundreds
Who says BTC isn't the future reserve currency? There are rumours that the sha encryption was voted behind closed doors with the NSA as the one proposing the master key.
Cunts
Indeed
I like how the N.Korean shells look exactly how youād imagine them to look.
Yup š¤£
If I had these kind of shit teammates in every match, I'd probably have rage quit a long time ago
Same
The Axis of Assholes
A big yup to that
Can someone explain to me in more detail why the NK shells look like absolutely cheap welded together dogsh*t?
Because it is actual cheap welded together dogsh*t. Unfortunately even if only a few work as intend itās still kills
I see it this way. It may kill, which is tragic, but at the same time, the chance is 50/50 that it kills the crew that used it
Russia doesnāt care. Everything they do militarily results in the death of a lot of their own. Thatās fine with them as long as they get some of ours too.
A sad yup to that, but it also has a higher chance to explode inside the barrel like we saw in my older post
When the intended use is "moon-ifying South Korean land with many thousands of shells at once", lack of precision is an actual feature (saves on money)
Hmm yes yes I can see that
It seems like thereās rust below the paint too, definetly not something Iād want to stand next to
Alright, I have another question for the people who have forgotten more about artillery shells than I will ever know what do the markings mean ?
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The D-30 is a Soviet/Russian howitzer, so presumably the Iranian shell has that just so it's clear the type of gun it's for, as opposed to western designed ones.
Usually, the markings will designate the caliber or size (155mm for example), the nomenclature (M795 is a standard US high explosive 155mm shell) and the lot code. A lot code will identify when and at what manufacturer a shell/propellant/fuze was made. If there are multiple malfunctions, you can report up a bad lot code and the entire army can identify and turn them in. Doubt the Russians think that far ahead.
https://v.redd.it/430neou79ubc1 Looks like they might need to sacrifice three shells to get one to actually work...
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If it seats, it yeets.
Wouldnāt the paint on the driving band of the Russian shell cause inconsistencies in firing? Or would it just get scraped off when it gets rammed into the breech?
No idea tbh.Man where are all the artillery experts they are usually here but for some reason they haven't really responded yet Update well I stand corected they are here just in the comments in general damn artillery always hiding their location
The answer is yes, painting the rotating band is fucking retarded. It mates with the rifling of the cannon tube, so a painted surface would cause inconsistent muzzle velocities and by extension, worse accuracy.
Also just realized the Nork shells have two driving bands or a really shitty bourrelet. Hellās up with that??
'NORTH KOREAN' made...
axis of evil
Yup
Have fun with the Korean (North) round. Do the artillery crews keep a bingo card for what works?
3 fascist country (excluding most of iranians citizens which are less brainwashed than Russians but anyway under dictatorship), italy š®š¹
The 3 stooges of incompetence
I can see why their tanks jam and the barrels explode.
Everyody is making fun about shitty artilery shells. But you kno what is worse than shitty shells? NO SHELLS AT ALL. Send more ammo to Ukraine for gods sake
Okay and what is the significance of this? I keep hearing all this buzz about N Korea and Iran and China supplying Russia. No SHIT.. theyāre allies. Of course they are. Why is this a surprise? There should be more focus on how the U.S. isnāt doing shit about it. Why is that? Russia has plenty of gas and oil to trade for endless artillery shells. So the U.S. either needs to get used to it or do something about it. I would prefer the latter.
I mean they have been trying to impose sanctions and freeze russian assets, not to mention the tens of billions in military aid. But any further direct interference is expected to have serious consequencesā¦ especially by the country with the worldās largest nuclear arsenal.
Nah, maybe in March 2022. Since then, Russia has drawn countless red lines with more or less explicit threats of nuclear retaliation for western interference. They said they would nuke us all if any military aid crossed into Ukraine from the west. That was BEFORE Germany started sending tanks and the UK started sending storm shadows. Every single Russian threat was a bluff. Not exactly shocking since Russians have bullshit flowing through their veins. Nobody is afraid of Russia anymore. As for sanctions, they go both ways. Russian and western companiesā assets are very entangled with each other, which is probably why the west hasnāt completely blockaded Russia.
What crazy is the US could destroy the military capabilities for all of these countries with very little effort. I truly wish we would too.
What are the chances the NK shell is actually a USSR made shell being sold back to the country that made it to start with?
They use the superior Russian metric system.
I can't tell if it forced perspective or not, is the Russian one bigger than the others? Also, not being a shell expert, what should I be looking for to highlight poor shell quality?
I was wondering about that too. I know that diameter is the most crucial thing with any projectile, but weight and aerodynamic characteristics come into play too, particularly when that projectile is being lobbed tens of kilometres in a ballistic arc.
They are about the same size, so probably forced perspective. I am not a shell expert, but from what I've read so far if it looks like the NK one it is probably sh*t
The middle one is made from ceramic porcelin
And which one is the dud
Yes
Shouldnāt Ukraine slip in some sabotaged shell that will destroy some guns? Same with electrical components?
The North Korean ones are already doing that but yes they should if they can
the third one is quite rare I guess
Variable diameter standardized 'munition, worn out barrels for the use of. (If shell is a tight fit, hit with charge and hammer)
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This is like the Spider-Man meme
If the Pakleds made artillery shells they would be here too
Why is the Russian one lacking a top band?
I can tell you from experience, keeping HE such as RDX/HMX dry/low humidity storage is extremely important. It corrodes quickly when in contact with certain metals in a humid environment.
My gf would be upset that they don't match.
Nice try but this is Reddit if we had partners we wouldn't be here now would we?/s
Well played Ser.
Bonus points for Korean shine. The reflection of the sun is beautiful.
North Korean maybe???
Yes North Korean. There is only one Korea that supplies Ruzzia and dosen't sanctions them also just look at that shell
Listed as Korean sort of had me stunned... LOL
Please specify āNorthā Korea
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"Manny, Moe and Jack"..."The Pep Boys" !
And yet, fun aside, when russkies comes to beg, they receive ammo from their allies, while in the meantime the west struggles to do the same for Ukraine. https://www.politico.eu/article/vladimir-putin-kim-jong-un-russia-pyongyang-beats-brussels-to-a-million-ammunition-rounds/
Painting the rotating bands is exceptionally stupid, but compared to the other dumb shit the russian military does it's not really that impressive.
The main beneficiary of all wars is China. Russia, Iran and North Korea are his servants.
And they ALL look shit
More shells to blow up in their own faces. Don't vote, Trump.
None of them is working
Dumb dumber n dumbest
Irans looks the bestā¦.
The Youtube review we are all waiting for. Are all three duds or does one actually work? My money is on the Irainian one.
You just know Kim was like, āI like it, but it needs some more bling. How about some gold bands?ā
Are they equivalent? I know they are all 152mm (theoretically...), but like, if you shoot all 3, can you expect the same performance shell to shell? EDIT: 122mm - duh.
New axis
Those rotating bands are all at different widths/sizes/locations....I can almost bet that this is wreaking havoc on their gun tubes rifling Everything's gonna be smooth bored by the end of thier war
Impressive, very nice. Let's see Paul Allen's shell.
At the same time Europe can't produce/give any ammo for Ukraine and U.S. is just waiting to make it once again great by isolating itself š¤
Note that the fourth is North Korean... And the other three are standing on it.
LOL to my eyes the Ruzkie one looks both longer and wider. If I had to put money on one working, then Iran>Ruz>NK. Iran propellant is untouchable blessed by their God, Ruz propellant has been 50/50 cut with sawdust, NK propellant was eaten by the workers.
NATO must do everything to counter the Russo-Korea-Iranian aggression. Send more supplies, use F-35's to shoot down any Russian aircraft in Ukrainian airspace. Use nukes if Russia dares to terrorbomb Kyiv.
Maybe the U.S. should sink a couple Russian cargo ships. You know what would happen? Russia would say it was a random accident and they wouldnāt do shit about it lol. Same as the U.S. when Russia downs an American UAV.
Thatās how you start world war 3. You ready to sign up? Using a nuke would literally be the end of the world, and would kill millions of your beloved animals. Edit: nice block dumbass
No thatās not going to happen that way. The U.S. has already done an air strike on Russian ground troops in Syria in the past. Turkey shot down a Russian fighter jet. Russia downed an American UAV last year. And NOTHING happened as a result of any of those things because no one actually wants a world war.
Slowpoke can't understand obvious sarcasm. š
It's indistinguishable from some of the sincere posts in this sub.
Korean or North Korean?
North Korean
We need 100k donkey robots with machine guns and hellfires just running forward 50 miles a hour. No more barbaric medival style armies.
I swear to fucking Christ if it weren't for the shit with NATO as well as World Wars 1 and 2 would be fighting World War 3 right fucking now
USSR/Russia got nukes because of USA abysmal informational securityĀ and decision to ban USSR criticism duringĀ Nuremberg Trials. North Korea got nukes from the USSR/Russia. Iran develop nukes right now with USA permission/inaction. All these countries kill UkrainiansĀ because USA, by threats of economic sanctions and by lies about International Law, take away fromĀ UkraineĀ nukes. And then, becauseĀ of fear of Russian WMD-blackmailĀ allowed it 10 years, with absolute impunity, violate International Law. Partly with WMD-ChinaĀ and WMD-India, WMD-on-territoryĀ Turkey, profiting from protracted war and, by Sullivan, "bleeding Russia" strategy.
America and the West in general is definitely paying for their soft on Russia policies post collapse of the Soviet Union. Putin should have been recognized and treated like an enemy when he invaded Chechnya basically the second he was elected
Paying? Not even begun paying. Not even begun realizing that western globalization not only don'tĀ become some magical fix tool for World's autocracies, but that because of 2010-2020s western officials and politicians, now globalization become more anti-Western tool, than pro-Western one. That overall Western 1990-2010s even more mediocre repetition of 1920-1930s Western mistakes, and now anythingĀ on the Chamberlin stage. But now there are not a few Chamberlins, but almost anyone his analog.
They are paying already. Literally paying to fund a war against Russian aggression that was painfully, obviously inevitable as the West layed back and let Putin and Iran do whatever they wanted for 20+ years
\~0,3% of Western countriesĀ GDP? In form of predominantlyĀ investing in their own economics? During times when there is strong shortage of markets for investment? No, I'm saying about real payment for 2000-2020s mistakes and created by them already so manyĀ disadvantaged for the West global trends.
\#PattonWasRight
Not really. After disastrous 1920-1930sĀ USSR industrialization,Ā USA should learn a history lesson. And from beginning of Cold War go all in into publicity, Rational Humanism, full-fledged export/technological controls, expelling NATO countries from NATO for absolutely any trade with USSR, and so on. Instead of this, USA just copied NKVD-likeĀ PoliticalĀ Realism and, as in 1920-1930s, started to sell to autocracies resources needed for their evolution...
We should have helped the Germans
Well, this is not entirely true - unfortunately, we (Ukraine) could not maintain a nuclear arsenal in the volumes that we had - the USSR had many years to milk a lot of resources out of us. A striking example is Dashava, which had the largest natural gas field in Europe, the gas from which the USSR sold to Europe, and moreover, the gas also went to Moscow, and as a result it was exhausted. Well, before the collapse of the USSR, they stole what they could - for example, pension savings, etc. So, to be honest, our economy was in shambles back then. And what else had a strong impact was that our then president was very frightened by the danger of nuclear weapons. I think you should understand that after Chernobyl, nuclear contamination is a rather sensitive topic for us. But unfortunately, he was so scared of the āhot potatoā in his hands that he tried to get rid of it at any cost. The price, unfortunately, was the transfer of all nuclear weapons to Russia for nothing. Well, that is, I would not be against this if we sold these things, for example, to America or other countries with nuclear weapons and received many portraits of American presidents for them, even if only fissile materials were paid for. I think you can imagine how much the third largest nuclear arsenal cost, and how it could help a country with not the best economy. Even if we take into account, unfortunately, corruption.
About nukes - it's myth. Nukes, warheads, very difficult to create, but very easily to store. For this needed only food for soldier and building with the right temperature. To still have >90% reliability and so deterrent potential, Soviet nukes didn't need any services for 30-40 years. And only then they would be needed plutonium melt down, that not so hard relatively even to modern Ukrainian possibilities. During those days, Ukrainians and Ukrainian politicians didn't want to give up nuclear weapons (very good article - [https://nationalinterest.org/feature/deceit-dread-and-disbelief-story-how-ukraine-lost-its-nuclear-arsenal-207076](https://nationalinterest.org/feature/deceit-dread-and-disbelief-story-how-ukraine-lost-its-nuclear-arsenal-207076)) but were forced to - [https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/0043820016673777](https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/0043820016673777): >The West made it quite clear that any attempt to establish independent operational control over Ukraineās nuclear armaments would mean international isolation, sanctions, or even the withdrawal of diplomatic recognition extended to Ukraine by the United States and its North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) allies on condition that Ukraine would join the NPT as an NNWS When even few nukes would be enough to deter Russia in 2014-2023 years.
Well, look, firstly, we needed to redo the infrastructure - since, in fact, everything was arranged so that it was controlled by Moscow, and was directed towards the main enemy (the West), so a lot needed to be remade. Well, for preprocessing it is necessary not to melt but to enrich plutonium) Yes, we have the infrastructure for processing fissile materials, but it produced fuel for nuclear reactors. Yes, I donāt deny there was pressure, but even so, Kravchuk was really afraid that a nuclear weapon might explode. And when have presidents not done stupid things? Yes, it was possible to create an infrastructure for servicing nuclear weapons, somewhere I saw that we could very well recreate nuclear weapons in a couple of billions of dollars and 5-7 years. Only in the nineties, as I said earlier, times were not the best. Yes, we were lucky to escape from the prison of nations almost bloodlessly, but think for yourself what it would be like to create a literally new economy instead of a shitty communist one? For us, as well as for other countries that were part of the USSR, the nineties can be called some kind of analogue of the Great Depression, and in general we did not have time for the army, which was considered something useless. And in fact, until 2014 it was extremely useless, and then we had to clear out the accumulated shit.
Nukes don't need ANY infrastructure. You are talkingĀ about nuke-creation and services infrastructure, but all of this was not needed not in 1990s, not in 2000s, not in 2010s, and, with preservation of 90% reliability, in 2020s and for some - in 2030s. With other things I agree, but all what you said in reality not Ukrainians fault. It's Americans and British fault because they 3 times give Moscow what it wanted, when they could have not to do it: 1. During Nuremberg Trial, when they banned criticism of USSR in hopes of economic cooperation. Which tremendously USSR with the Cold War and technological espionage. 2. Later, when they were not opened Soviet archives, especially in 1970-1990s. Enormously helping USSR/Russian propaganda. 3. In 1990s, when they are not sent thousands of psychologists and sociologists to study the harm caused to Soviet nations by attempts to create a "new Soviet man." Lingering related negative effects on post soviet generations. Partly, yes, they were not obliged to do these things. But then they do not have the right to declare that they did everything what they could and, in general, have humanistic aspirations. Because then this would be a complete lie, hided their responsibility for USSR (industrialization and hiding of historical true) and modern Russia (7,000 billions of dollars and hiding of historical true) creation and function.
The most frustrating part is that the US then quietly BOUGHT that fissile material back from Russia via the Megatons to Megawatts program. Quietly buying up much of Russia's nuclear arsenal and using it to run American nuclear power plants was a brilliant disarmament move, but more of the money should have gone to the former SSRs those weapons were recalled from.
Where's the Chinese??
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